Legitimately no memeing when does it get good.
I bought it on a whim on the steam sale and so far its been a paint by the numbers boring jrpg and the combat is sluggish for a tales of game.
After the desert town.
>>342895547
it gets good when you play it a decade ago when you were 14
When you reach the tower of salvation
>he fell for the baby's first Tales meme
Better luck next time champ. Try Vesperia or Abyss instead.
>>342895547
It's pretty dated at this point.
Took me ages to get into too
For me it's when you finish taking colette on her journey thing and the straightforward plot is shaken up.
It's not really gonna get better I'm afraid. The game is full of memes and not even afraid to show it.
>is coffee le hot or le cold?! XD
You know, things like that. It'll get really bad half way into the game. So brace yourself now.
>>342895547
thanks for letting me know this has been ported
>began playing it years ago on gcb
>somehow lost disc
>>342895703
basically a high visibility waifu simulator that came out at just the right time to funnel a group of freshly pubescent geeks into the path to otaku. its praise is a case of nostalgia
did they fix the 30fps lock yet?
I know they did for Zesty.
>>342895812
Abyss is boring as fuck
>>342896027
30fps was the least of Zesteria's problems
>>342895992
You're sort of close. It's more along the lines of the fact that the gamecube was starved for a huge JRPG at the time. This came out and people ate it the fuck up.
>>342895812
>he thinks this is my first tales of game
>>342896027
No but honestly the pace of the combat is too slow to make it worth unlocking.
>>342896135
True, but it's the reason I stopped playing the Symphonia remake.
>>342896256
>No
Time to emulate the Gamecube version then.
>>342895812
Haven't played Vesperia, but Abyss is literally the worst tales game I've played next to Legendia. The combat is downgraded from symphonia, plot is bad, villans even worse, and the last 15 hours is running around talking to people and delivering messages. It blows my mind that people still hold it up as one of the best Tales games.
>>342895928
>is coffee le hot or le cold?! XD
>the cancer that started shitty Tales games
>>342896224
It was a good game though. The Ps2 was not starved for jrpg and Abyss bombed.
>>342896741
Take off those goggles fag-kun. Older ones weren't better, both old and new have their horrible titles.
>>342895703
First post is the best post.
>>342895547
Protip: ALL Tales games are incredibly boring. Even Tales of Xillia 2 is bogged down by the payment system.
>>342897092
yeah but Team Destiny made games were decent at least
nothing from Team Symphonia was good
So I was tricked by nostalgiafags? Oh well Ill just put it on the back burner and play wasteland 2 then.
>>342895547
>so far its been a paint by the numbers boring jrpg
Yeah, it's a Tales game, what's your point? Nearly the whole series is that way
>>342897349
It's a decent game. But that's all.
If you wanted a different suggestion then ask ahead.
>>342897374
Ive heard this game praised for its story. I was hoping there would be a nier esque twist.
>finish Xillia 1, really enjoyed myself
>find myself excited to play 2
>start it up
>begins kind of confusing, Allium Orbs seem to be an even shittier Lillium Orb which is impressive in and of itself
>still having a good time
>get to Duval, find myself in the shitty payment system everyone complains about
>probably not so bad
>step outside
>suddenly
>MUTTON, FRESH MUTTON!
This is a fucking joke right? Like it's only in as a nod to the last game and it's just in this one town? I'm not going to have to put up with this shit for another 60 hours am I?
>>342897212
>ALL Tales games are incredibly boring.
Everything's horrible anon. Why do you even play videogames you ADD riddled autist?
>>342897313
Which was the team that made Abyss/Graces/Hearts and Xillia games?
>>342897515
I dont know. A jrpg with a good story? Preferably from recent times that could be easily emulated or bought on pc?
>>342897527
I thought the twist ofKratos bring the biological father of Lloydwas kinda neat and well done, especially since it ends with a duel between them.
>>342897702
I know abyss was made by Symphonia
around then Destiny made Tales of Rebirth
>>342895894
The player finds out most of the plot 5-20 hours before the characters because of how poorly it is written.
>>342897890
>the twist of Kratos bring the biological father of Lloyd
Well I didnt know this. I assumed kratos was just a bad guy pretending to be good. That sounds interesting enough to keep playing.
>>342897708
I'm afraid I can't quite think of any semi-recent JRPG like that.
I guess you always try Trails of the sky it's story it's good enough. Not super good or anything but still.
>>342897708
Baten Kaitos 1&2.
2 has better combat but 1 has better customization.
>>342897971
Then your opinion is already wrong and shit. Kindly remove yourself from this thread and from life too if possible.
What other JRPGs play like Tales and Star Ocean?
I need something to play.
>>342898152
It's not necessarily the biggest surprise, but when you realize it and then go back and play it again it's fun to notice the little hints through the game, like how Kratosalways stands at the grave where Lloyd's mother is buriedwhen they're at his house or how he'll letGenis and Collette - or really anyone else - sit at 50% HP without flinching but as soon as Lloyd stubs his baby toe he'll spam First Aid on him like there's no tomorrow.
>>342895547
once you enter the 2nd world it starts to pick up. The whole tower journey isn't that interesting.
Later on is when you can start doing silly skill combos.
Overall the game isn't fantastic but it has its moments. That being said whoever designed Ymir forest can go eat shit, fuck that gay dungeon.
>>342895703
Literally this. I loved it when I was 14, but I wouldn't be able to sit through it now.
>>342895992
>basically a high visibility waifu simulator
Odd because all the games since have done away with that tiny amount of player choice and put even that minor facet of the story on rails.
>>342898267
Ive already beaten those many times. Sorry.
>>342898408
They barely fit but you could always try Ys orKingdom Hearts.
>>342898408
There aren't a lot of Jrpgs like those two gameplay-wise.
Summon Night Swordcraft is kinda like a Tales game game play wise. Specifically like Phantasia.
>>342895547
>I bought it on a whim on the steam sale and so far its been a paint by the numbers boring jrpg and the combat is sluggish for a tales of game.
You've pretty much summed up the game right here.
Eternia was light-years faster than the battle system in this one and the story/plot is ripped straight out of ffx.
It only got popular because it was one of the few jprgs on the gamecube, and one of even fewer that wasn't ultra-shit on it, and tha nintendo actually advertised the game for namco.
Otherwise it would be a completely forgotten entry.
It's so one note and predictable that the two mage characters, raine and genus, in the original japanese version are called Refill and Genius, who are the healer and dps mage roles.
Fucking christ.
>>342898648
Oh! how about the Raiden Kuzunoha games?
>>342898295
>he's an abyssfag
>he never played the greatness that was rebirth
>unapologetically liking the piece of shit moogle wannabes of abyss
Tales as a series is the epitome of quantity > quality, made by half a dozen different teams. Each game is mediocre to bad. So if you're comparing a Tales game to your favorite JRPG, chances are it won't stand up. You have to basically ignore all other JRPGs to get into the mindset of wanting to play a Tales game.
>>342896224
This, aka Xenoblade Chronicles syndrome.
>>342898956
Like clockwork.
Mention "a game I don't like" and I immediately become a "game I don't like-fag".
If I post Symphonia pics as well will you be even more triggered? Please be more triggered.
>>342895812
>Vesperia
Port that shit
>>342898917
No there actually on my back log and you know they might be just the thing. If I recall the combat is dmc lite with demon summoning right? Yeah I think ill grab those now.
>>342896224
It did have Paper Mario TTYD and FF Crystal Chronicles. But those weren't 'traditional' JRPGs that people exapcted. Tales of Symphonia wasn't either however. The GameCube never got what people wanted in terms of a JRPG since PS2 was getting all the JRPG development before it was even launched.
>>342899405
nah that one's scraping the bottom of the barrel
>>342899516
Pretty much yeah.
Second game is better gameplay-wise.
>>342899437
Well, if what Namco said is to be believed, Microsoft own the rights to Vesperia here in the states.
Who knows, maybe they'll bring it to PC (W10 exclusive, most likely) at some point since they've clearly ran out of fucks to give about the Xbone.
>>342899562
>>342899884
Ugh that sucks
Microsoft ruined everything, like half the good console RPGs of that generation are trapped on a shitty system I wouldn't pay $30 for.
>>342899916
I want one fucking jrpg where the wanted poster is just a wanted poster not a shitty joke.
>>342899884
>Well, if what Namco said is to be believed, Microsoft own the rights to Vesperia here in the states
That is 110% bullshit. Bamco just didn't want to spend the money bringing back the voice cast and localizing the new content. Just like all the other Tales games that got second releases with more content.
At least with Graces they waited for the extra content, THEN localized it. They usually rush to localize, release the superior version in Japan, and then tell their western audience to suck it.
>>342900302
Well, some people are skeptical of that claim. Plus even it were true, one would think the rights would have expired by now since it's been a whopping 7/8 years since Vesperia came out on 360.
>Tales series uses my favorite manga artist for its designs
>can't stand the gameplay and stories
>same as Sakura Taisen
Both Fujishima and Ryoji seem to be cursed. Keep getting hired to do bad games. While idiots like Nomura and Amano get lucky.
>>342900689
What's wrong with Sakura Taisen?
>>342900801
Its a visual novel with lackluster characters and story.
>>342901420
Oh. I only know of it though Project X Zone. I never actually played a Sakura Taisen game.
>>342897981
that's called good foreshadowing, idiot. don't talk about things you clearly know nothing about
>>342895547
>>342897349
Postmore
>>342902342
When did I say Kingdom Hearts is good? When did I even mention it? Are you stupid?
>>342898909
>Eternia was light-years faster than the battle system in this one
>>342895547
If you didn't pay a whole lot for this, I'd say mothball it for now and pick up Tempest. Handheld aside, it's one of the most memorable entries post-Abyss.
>>342902424
I dont have any more titty gems actually sense Im posting from my phone.
>>342902070
Its really not when characthers shout out plot info and then go like uh did anyone notice that no ehehehe or when its straight up ffx plot repurposed.
>>342902460
You mentioned how Nomura was lucky for getting stuck with "good" quality games.
>>342895547
>>its been a paint by the numbers boring jrpg
Can someone explain this logic to me? Of course its a by the numbers JRPG, that's what JRPGs were in the early 2000's, what the fuck did you expect?
That's like me complaining about an underwater level in a platformer, of course it's there.
>>342895703
Fucking this. I really want to say the game will get good in the second half of the game, but that's when they pull out the most fucking annoying dungeon designs ever. The combat isn't even really fun to play, you're better off playing something like Xillia 2 or even Abyss.
I can only stand this game because of a few parts being good and nostalgia.
>>342897708
Xenoblade has the most gripping story of any JRPG in the last decade, along with a unique and deep cast of characters
>>342902797
>its straight up ffx plot repurposed.
Eh. It's sorta like that for the first good amount of hours. Then it does something else.
>>342903079
Already played it. I thought the story was ok, loved the combat though.
>>342902959
Nigger final fantasy 6, 7, 9 and tactics plus Xenogears, Breath of Fire 4 and Suikoden 2 all came out in the fucking nineties and had better plots and more interesting settings than any tales game.
>>342895547
>tales of
>getting good
you fell for the tales of meme.
>>342903079
This was true all the way up until Fiora came back to life and everything good about the story went straight out the window.
>>342902797
try actually playing it lmfao
symphonia gos far beyond ffx, the pacing is perfect, the protagonists are given deep characterization bhind their initial facades like genis and raine being self loathing racists, the villain is great, the non linarity is great, the music is diverse and unique. you just have no taste, back to stven univrse or whatevr
>>342903079
xenoblade's story is fisher price shit compared to abyss
>>342902797
No worries. Thanks for you posted man.
>>342902881
I said he got lucky. I didn't say his games were good.
>>342903728
>Abyssfags actually believe this
>>342903473
none of those have a more interesting setting than abyss' world where people are governed by their horoscopes and the antagonist playes the role you would typically think of an protagonist.
>>342902264
that's actually pretty accurate
I lied
ITS HOT
>>342903019
there's one annoying dungeon (ymir forest) and thats it. if you complain about any of the others when the puzzles were designed well you're a fucking retard who should go back to xillia corridors.
>>342904004
>not liking the /lit/ tales game
>>342903019
Abyss is complete shit without the skills tho and even then it only gets on par with Symphonia, and C.cores were absolutely fucking retarded so you had almost no chance of getting skills that actually let you combo on the first play through.
>>342904565
Well memed.
>>342904652
why are you responding to that retard? i'm an abyssfag and i'm not deluded enough to think it has better combat than symphonia
>>342904565
Too many images
>>342904731
it's a big game
>>342904978_______
>>342904192
Van is typical "Only my way to save the world is right" Villain
>>342904565
I like Abyss but the story is just a Run-of-the-Mill JRPG story, Starring Beta Haseo.
>>342905150
>subverts the chosen hero trope
>has a party with real flaws that do morally questionable things
>talks about existentialism and free will on an in-depth
>the subject of cloning explored, something that most acclaimed sci fi literature barely does
>"Run-of-the-Mill JRPG story"
don't post in a tales thread ever again
>>342895547
Do any of these games have stories that would appeal to people who like the stories in MegaTen games and Radiant Historia, but who dislikes the stories in FF games?
>>342905150
>van is a one-dimensional villain
Well he is in a Final Fantasy game...
>It's a "I'm too cool for Tales thread"
They are almost all local co-op games with simple themes driven by colorful characters that are fun to play as.
Tales games are the video game equivalent to staying up to midnight to watch dubbed anime. Did you forget how much fun being 14 years old actually was?
It's videogame Inuyasha. Embrace it.
>>342906069
No. Closest is Xillia 2 which is all about which the protag suffering throughout the game.
>>342906069
Play Tales of the Abyss, it has a large scale narrative based around political intrigue and character drama. A unique premise and setting too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tales_of_the_Abyss#Setting
I just beat the temple of lightning. What am I in for next?
>>342902070
>they think we are desians
>wait you seriously still think we are desians?
>let them think we are desians
>no we are not desians
this is when the entire party gasps in shock
>>342905939
>>subverts the chosen hero trope
Mixing chosen Hero with Idiot Hero Wow so deep.
>>has a party with real flaws that do morally questionable things
Other Than Jade and Fomicry, I can't really recall any morally questionable shit the party does, And they're flaws are about as real as the flaws of any other tales cast
>>talks about existentialism and free will on an in-depth
Any JRPG that talks about fate does this.
>>the subject of cloning explored, something that most acclaimed sci fi literature barely does
You are absolutely retarded if you think ToA covers cloning better than any SciFi novel
>>"Run-of-the-Mill JRPG story"
>>342906069
Innocence
>>342906775
Lloyd calls them desians and one of the henchmen laughs. You know something is off, and this feeling permeates the entire first act of the game up until that twist. It's great.
i bought this game in a ps3 bundle when i bought odin sphere last week.
just started it this week
i think i liked tales of phantasia more
is the redman a desian?
co-op tales is best.
The problem is when you actually have 4 players, because barely anyone wants to play as the heal spammer.
Also Symphonia 2's monster system which encourages sacrificing a usable character for a powerful AI monster is dumb too, but that's an issue with Symphonia 2 in general.
>>342899556
problem is that ToS came out in like april and TTYD didn't hit until November. also, at that point we only had ToD and ToE, which weren't exactly stellar to get the series rolling in the US
ToS came out on the right system that needed a big RPG with a new battle system (that most people haven't seen at the time) and it just worked.
i went through ToS my first time with 3 friends and with 4 players it was pretty fun. played ToS PS3 with AI and holy shit i wanted to kill myself they do dumb shit.
>>342906893
>Mixing chosen Hero with Idiot Hero
Play the game again. Luke isn't the "chosen hero", though you are led to believe this with the game's opening cutscene.
>Other Than Jade and Fomicry, I can't really recall any morally questionable shit the party does
People have argued endlessly over Akzeriuth since the game's release. It's that kind of ambiguity that makes it so good.
The rest of your post is desperate blanket statements and adhom, not going to bother with a reply esp. considering you made a comment that leads me to suspect you didn't play the game.
Tales in general is such mediocre JRPG series, why do people hold it in such high regard?
>>342907206
>played ToS PS3 with AI and holy shit i wanted to kill myself they do dumb shit.
That's the one thing that never changes about the tales of games.
>>342906069
Play Vesperia. Yuri is a lot like Stocke.
I wouldn't recommend Abyss as a first Tales though because of how polarizing it is.
>>342903630
>like genis and raine being self loathing racists
Litterally wakka
>>342907354
well, i didn't mind the destiny remake AI
but that had a good battle system, like graces did as well
i think it was because i wasnt bogged down going into the menu every 5 seconds like the non CC tales games.
>>342906893
>You are absolutely retarded if you think ToA covers cloning better than any SciFi novel
Let's go with Dune. Gholas are made from the dead cells of humans, but are not able to retain human memory until the experiment with Hayt-Duncan. Further gholas have partial memories that exhibit in emotional episodes related to their past life or lives (in the case of ghola of ghola). Eventually, a ghola of Duncan is awakened to the entirety of the lives of the previous Duncans, but the series ends before that goes anywhere. A major theme of Dune is ancestral memory.
In Abyss, can replicas are created out of anyone or anything so long as you can determine what frequency it resonates at. Yulia's score, at least the fragments that are available to the characters in the story, never accounts for Fomicry and the existence of replicas, leading to Van's idea that the world can be removed from it's deterministic existence by replacing it with a replica world. Replicas are also bound to each other, with the replica being leeching the life out of the original until it becomes the only one. The major theme of Abyss's plot is the malleability of fate, and the major theme of the Luke/Asch subplot is value of a single existence (and the two tracks that play during their final confrontation are named "mirrors" and "meaning of birth" if it wasn't clear enough).
The way Abyss handles cloning fits thematically just as well as Dune, because they are telling different stories with different themes.
>>342907293
Akzeriuth wasn't the party's choice that either falls on Luke or Van and even then it wasn't a Moral choice, and most people discuss either where the blame falls or stupidly suggest that the party shat on Luke for getting duped by Van and not his Behavior afterwards.
ToA "In-depth" discussion of free will is basic JRPG tripe, that doesn't go beyond "do we actually have free will" and "Can people actually handle free will"
And please name a well written Scifi novel that goes less in depth about cloning than ToA
>>342907348
In a genre starved of gameplay that isn't boringly navigating through menus, one series comes along with decent gameplay and you're surprised that people enjoy it?
>>342903019
Abyss is garbage
>>342895547
The combat is super outdated compared to modern tales games. Like you can't free run being the biggest issue.
Why wasn't this the first thing said?
>>342895812
>abyss
Nice bait
I beat this last week and had fun with it. The dungeons got pretty annoying near the end especially the wind plant and the forest one. It was still pretty solid though. How's dawn of the new world?
>>342909879
Because it isn't an issue and is actually a good thing that forces you to think more about your positioning.
>>342897652
No, there is still fresh mutton everywhere, but I am pretty sure they did that on purpose. No one is *that* dumb to reuse a fucking voice dialogue when the game is already: "Re-used Assets: The Happening," the game.
>>342909985
>How's dawn of the new world?
We do not speak of it.
>>342895547
After reading through this thread
wow guys just wow
/v/ literally doesn't know a fun game when it sees it color me surprised.
>>342898909
>plot is ripped off from FFX
uhhhhhh
>>342910334
>"""""""""""""fun"""""""""""""""""
A subjective term at best.
>>342910334
It's just a bunch of abyssfags taking whatever chance they can get to try and up the far better tales game.
>>342910702
Abyssfags and Symphoniafags are brothers, both games were penned by Takumi Miyajima after all. Every other Tales is skippable.
>>342909879
Free run is a garbage mechanic, Around-Step and Good Air Mobility, and learning to jump shits all over it, If newer games still had instant guard break back attacks I'd never touch free run again.
>>342910123
>there is still fresh mutton everywhere
>>342895775
This.
>>342895819
Also this.
It is a paint by numbers JRPG for the most part. Well, for the entire part, really. But, I like it anyway. I won't defend it's writing or repetitive combat, but I enjoy both.
>>342910502
>A subjective term at best
No shit. What is your point. anon?
>>342897652
Every single fucking town my friend. Every single town in every single dimension.
There is always fresh mutton.
>>342910702
I don't get it. Both games are made by the same people and are clearly fun JRPGs even if they're entry level or whatever. Trying to determine what is objectively best is a waste of time but I won't bother /v/ I know you're a glutton for idort punishment.
>>342898468
Is that latter one true? That sounds surprisingly legit given how retarded Kratos heals.
>>342898152
Symphonia is full of twists just like that and they're all pretty well done in my opinion.
>>342895547
I loved Symphonia when I was younger, but after playing Vesperia the combat system is so sluggish. It only gets good after at least like 5 hours when you can unlock a decent amount of artes (tech)
The story is pretty good though. It's super cliche at the beginning but once you get to what you think is the ending, it gets turned upside down. And then you have like at least 30 more hours ahead of you.
But damn it all to hell, this PC port keeps crashing my display drivers.
The Tales series has a problem where they're always trying to make things more complicated. Everything needs to be as complex and ''deep'' as possible, including the design of shit. It started with Abyss and Vesperia, which struck a nice balance, but once Graces and Xillia came out, it had gone too far. The fucking overdesign of everything is ridiculous. While Graces had a simper battle system, the title system was completely unnecessary when it could have had artes tied to levels like normal. Xillia just fucked it all up, with the inclusion of the Lillium Orb shit. It's just needless menuing. You have to go through so many menues and keep track of all characters. It's fucking tedious.
Tales of Vesperia is almost 10 years old and it still looks miles better than the shit Namdai shits out today. Even with the severe framerate issues of that game, it still performs better as well. Why the fuck is this allowed? Are the PS games, PS Phantasia and GC Symphonia the only games with good framerates or something?
>Went to secondhand store yesterday
>Lots of old vidya and shit among other things
>Store had both the first two Ar Tonelico games in good condition and at reasonable price which I had been looking forever for
>They also had Tales of Legendia
>I thought about it for a while but decided against buying it
>Today I couldnt help myself and went back to get Legendia
>it was already gone
fuck you Legendianon
>>342911621
Abyss needed some autistic tier Min-maxing to get worth while skills on a first play through. I will agree that Vesperia has the best skill system out of all the tales games, Symphonia is the second best with the only problem is not being remade so it can have the skills of newer tales games.
>>342912209
>fuck you Legendianon
You should've known his dedication to Legendia.
>>342899312
>Xenoblade Chronicles
At least that has a cool setting. What does this game even have?
>>342912209
>Store had both the first two Ar Tonelico games in good condition
You lucky bastard.
I'm just going to hold out for a HD remaster, but I know banpresto are being cunts about it.
>>342913274
>You lucky bastard
I legit nearly lost my shit when I saw them on the shelf. It was the last thing I was ever expecting.
That said I'll gladly buy ports of them if they ever get made
>>342910894
>Years old mutton rotting in the baking sun of Auj Oule
>Rieze Maxians sell it to the Elympians
>It's an all-out war to become the top dog
