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How to balance Overwatch
>Pharah
Slightly increase air time
Ammo count increased to 8 before reloading
>Reaper
Can cancel wraith mode early by pressing shift again
>Tracer
Max damage per round reduced from 6 to 4, drop off starts at 6 meters instead of 11
>Mei
Icicle damage reduced from 75 to 50.
Cryo-freeze no longer heals Mei and can no longer contest while frozen.
>Torbjorn
Increase ult charge time by 10%
Turret now has small delay when turning at an angle over 180 degrees
Turret range reduced from 40 to 25 meters
>D.Va
Damage drop off range extended to 10 meters.
Critbox size reduced by 50%
Current ultimate removed and replaced with temporary altfire mode that doubles DPS and enables pinpoint accuracy for its duration with no damage drop off.
>Winston
Add 100 armor.
Barrier health increased to 1500
Damage increased from 45 to 60.
>Zarya
Shields can be triggered when stunned and remove debuffs.
Shields no longer prevent debuffs if already active (Can cancel Reinhardt's stun if used after being hit, but will still be stunned if barrier is active when he ults)
>Lucio
Wallride now has a 4 second cooldown
Line of sight healing reduced to proximity healing within a 10 meter AOE
HPS increased to 20 to compensate
>Mercy
Ultimate charge time increased by 20%
>Symmetra
All Symmetra turrets now require two hits to kill from any weapon.
>Zenyatta
50HP replaced with 50 armor since robots can't be healthy
Orb of Discord now deals 5 damage per second to its target as long as it remains on them
>>342861691
Be able to kick your teammates from the game through majority vote.
>>342861691
Shit kid.
>>342861691
No one gives A FUCK about your imaginary balance changes
>>342861691
Seriously fucking kill yourself.
You're everything wrong with this community.
>>342861691
>making reaper more cancerous
>making zenyatta more shit
No Reaper would ever cancel their wraith mode early. They all use it as a panic button to get as far away as humanly possible.
He should, however, be forced to resort to picking up fallen souls and not health kits while in wraith form.
>>342861827
Also this.
>>342861827
nah that csgo cancer.
make some friends faggot.
>>342861691
Lol did I wreck you with mei or something? Wtf. You're taking away what makes her competitive. I've had games where I get rocked with mei - but those were players that knew what they were doing. This game is pretty well balanced as it is. Mcree still kinda pisses me off though.
>>342861691
>ammo no longer unlimited
>turrets no longer have unlimited ammo
>ammo drops placed on map
>all characters ults gain rate down 10%
Boom, solves most of the games problems without directly nerfing any particular hero
>Buffing Zarya
What is wrong with you people?
>>342861898
Thats a flat Zenyatta buff m8, discord deals damage as well as increases it and amour that regenerates like bastion etc.
>>342861691
>Buff
>My favorite heroes
>Nerf
>The heroes I have trouble against
erry time
>>342861691
I jumped straight to your Mei changes and noticed you say she needs to be nerfed.
This is the only sign someone needs to tell you are a massive pub shitter whose opinion should be discarded.
>>342861691
>>Symmetra
>All Symmetra turrets now require two hits to kill from any weapon.
That is dumb,
Symetra is fucked. She is a broken character who basically is just a walking teleporter source. Boring as fuck too.
>Turret now has small delay when turning at an angle over 180 degrees
I'm pretty sure this is already the case.
I also really don't feel Pharah needs a buff and I main her. But I'm also not comp level so idk.
>Orb of Discord now deals 5 damage per second to its target as long as it remains on them
This is silly as fuck and you know it.
>>342861691
>How to balance Overwatch
Character imbalance is the least of Overwatch's issues.
>>342862102
>>342862260
Not OP, but Mei's fucking terrible to play against OR with. I'm NOT saying she needs to be nerfed. Adjusted, and ultimately probably buffed, yes.
Most of those are pretty damn stupid, but I agree about the D.Va changes. Her ult is completely worthless.
>>342861691
>>342861691
>>Winston
>Add 100 armor.
>Barrier health increased to 1500
>Damage increased from 45 to 60.
Everything about this tells me you're fucking stupid. Hey guys remember when double winson flooded everything and it was bull shit? Well lets do that again but make it worst on everyone else.
>>342861691
Well now we can tell which characters you use and which ones beat your ass.
>>342861691
>Turret now has small delay when turning at an angle over 180 degrees
what did he mean by this?
>>342861691
>Cryo-freeze no longer heals Mei and can no longer contest while frozen.
Then what is the fucking point? I'd at least understand if you only said one of these things but if both, then it does literally nothing but stall fights for four seconds (which in a game with abilities on cooldown is a fucking terrible idea).
Regardless it's not even that OP in the first place. And her entire shtick is area control so stopping one of her best survival abilities from letting her contest would be dumb as shit.
>>342861691
Overwatch is going to be dead or on life support in a few years no matter what, such is the fate of a game with no single player.
>>342862538
Was gonna say this. Nigga wants to nerf the ability to the point where it might as well not exist.
>>342862538
Calm down dude. His entire post is retarded and would literally kill the game.
Game is already dead, no need to patch anything.
>>342861691
Terrible. Take a fucking lap.
>get stunned
>MAXIMUM CHARGE
really dumb idea
>>342861691
>buffing pharah and winston
>>342861946
>tfw working when everyone else is able to play
Shit sucks man. I end up playing with randoms more than I'm supposed to, but I'm used to it at this point.
>>342862620
You mean all those posts about the campaign mode for TF2 weren't just jokes?
Everything here is so terrible I assume this is bait, but literally kys for writing this:
>All Symmetra turrets now require two hits to kill from any weapon.
>Mei
no...
>D.Va
no
>winston
no
>zarya
no
>lucio
fuck no
>symettra
maybe, should cap health because a reaper shooting a turret twice sounds like bullshit
>zenyatta
>50 armor
already been over this, this saves you like .2 seconds from fire from a 76, would rather have it be something else if it's a buff
>discord dealing damage over time by simply pressing e
NO
>>342862517
that one isn't such a bad suggestion. A widowmaker is completely safe from flankers if she's standing by a turret.
>>342861691
>buffing Pharah
No
>Nerfing Tracer
No
>Nerfing Mei
No
>Nerfing Torbjorn
LOL no
>Buffing Winston that much
No
>Buffing Zarya
Fuck no
You are retarded kys
>>342861691
>1500 bubble shield Winston
Nigga how high can you physically be to think this is ok?
>>342862620
>Dota 2 has single player
>League has single player
>Hearthstone has single player
>Warcraft has single player
>csgo has single player
>All of these games are/were dead within a few years of being released
Lol, you're delusional as fuck.
>>342861691
>How to balance Overwatch
Uninstall wizard
>>342862691
LOL
O
L
>>342862931
>a widowmaker is safe if she stands near a protective turret
neet.
Whats the problem?
>>342861691
>All Symmetra turrets now require two hits to kill from any weapon.
Uh ok so Pharah has to shoot 2 rockets whereas for Tracer or 76 it's basically no change at all?
Also how would that apply to stuff like Zarya's laser or an enemy Symmetra?
Why not just give them more health?
Nigga what are you even thinking here?
>>342861691
How to start balancing the quality of threads on /v/
>OP
He kill himself
Logical nerf:
> Reaper can't pick up Health Packs in Wraith Form. He can still be healed by other characters and souls though.
>>342862931
But why would turret ever turn over 180 degrees at a time?
>don't think Mei is OP at all
>however I do think she's extremely anti-fun
How do we fix this?
>>342862983
The meta would literally be all Winstons and one Mercy/Zen (because Lucio now has no advantage over anyone)
>>342863181
Get good.
>zenyatta healing orbs heal people around them for just as much but they have to be tightly packed to the healing orb
>zenyatta can boost into the air if he full charges his right click and shoots down *Height is equal to that of wall climbing*
>>342863181
My best plan is to shun my friends that try to pick her, but even that isn't going so well. I think she's antifun for literally everyone but the player, who is having a blast.
>>342862138
Armor doesn't regenerate, that's shields.
Bastion specifically has a self-healing ability.
>>342862138
Armor doesn't regenerate you nigger, that's shields
>>342863181
Honestly she's only anti fun because of server tick rate. You can't escape her once she hits you because her time to freeze is lessened through latency.
>>342863169
>nerfing the most balanced hero in the fucking game
>>342863181
pretty much this. even worse: mei is slowing you down so their hanzo can hit you more easily
>>342863394
>>342863428
D.VA's amour regenerates like normal hp you nigger
>>342862286
How is that silly? Wouldn't it make sense for one orb to restore health while other removes health?
>>342863317
>everyone huddling around reinhardt
cozy
>>342862108
>make a totally different game
>There I fixed your game.
Brilliant
>>342863181Remove heror just remove either the heal or the invulnerability from the icicle
>>342863576
>armor
>hp
>regenerate
what the fuck are you trying to say
armor can be HEALED like hp, but it does not regenerate on its own
>>342863576
>Regenerates like normal hp
So you're saying it doesn't regenerate? Because, as you may or may not know, only shields can regenerate.
>>342863181
Make icewalls freeze all of those around it
It freezes mei if shes not ontop of it./it doesn't freeze if shes near it
Mei loses her left click
Her right click is moved to left and its instant
She now uses her walls offensively or for vertical movement, less team fuck ups and she now has a stronger team seperator.
>>342863181
>>342863675
the only fun thing about mei is when she's all alone hiding in her ice cube and your entire team is waiting to shit on her as she exits
>Max damage per round reduced from 6 to 4, drop off starts at 6 meters instead of 11
You already need to go in very close as Tracer to deal damage and now you've made her useless. Nice
>Wallride now has a 4 second cooldown
Great, Lucio is now even more useless and boring outside of KOTH
>Turret now has has small delay when turning at an angle over 180 degrees
What the fuck does this mean. You know if a turret had to turn 181 degrees in a certain direction it would turn 179 degrees the other way instead, like it does right now? Do you mean 90 degrees?
>All Symmetra turrets now require two hits to kill from any weapon.
Fucking retarded idea. Just give them 25 HP so they can survive a bit of splash. Also remove the cooldown timer on placement during setup time
>Orb of Discord now deals 5 damage per second to its target as long as it remains on them
Why? 50% damage increase is fine already. We don't need more DOT shit and I'm pretty sure the devs confirmed they'd not be adding more
>>342863394
>>342863428
Bad word choice by regenerate I meant can be healed.
The amour acts like hp and reduces damage making it a buff.
>>342861691
>Barrier health increased to 1500
Probably the most retarded suggestion out of the whole post, which is an amazing achievement in itself
>>342863812
You know good teams use mei's ice wall to reach unlikely locations and increase unpredictability. Freezing anyone around her wall would reduce this factor. Therefor this is stupid and so are you.
>>342863902
>Lucio bad outside koth
He's literally good in every team.
>>342863181
Make her move slower when she is firing her super soaker. Unlike the Pyro who chases with a stream weapon, the fact that it continuously slows her target does not mean she should have the same move speed.
>>342862108
> To balance overwatch you need to make it more like TF2
L M A O
>>342864021
It doesn't freeze team mates, you're retarded to think anyone would suggest that.
It's meant to keep mei from using it defensively and coerce her into using it offensively and seperate enemy teammates.
>>342863902
>Also remove the cooldown timer on placement during setup time
I'm a top 10 Symmetra, part of getting gud with Symmetra is knowing where to place early turrets that aren't on the front line, but will still be valuable and allow you to have 6 up before the setup timer ends.
It's a small detail but critically important to being a valuable Symmetra.
Guys fuck off of mei. She's my main and there's nothing wrong with her. If you can't kill her then the player is too good 4 u.
>>342863841
This only works when I get fucked by hanzo/genji/76/roadhog/reaper. 90% of the time I look around in 3rd person for an escape and throw up my wall to block dem niggas.
>>342864220
Do turrets not have unlimited ammo in TF2? I thought they did.
>>342861691
Everything about this is unbelievably wrong. It screams "I'm really bad at this game please help me" so much.
>>342861691
>>Mei
>Icicle damage reduced from 75 to 50.
>Cryo-freeze no longer heals Mei and can no longer contest while frozen.
Then why use Mei?
>>342864331
They do not.
>>342864461
Don't because its anti-fun
>>342861691
>All Symmetra turrets now require two hits to kill from any weapon.
Her turrets are for recon and light damage. If you expect to be racking up kills on high level play, you're doing it wrong.
>>342864461
This
her only saving grace is her ice wall and the right click.
>>342861691
These are shit and so are you. Get good.
>>342861691
>>Pharah
>Slightly increase air time
>Ammo count increased to 8 before reloading
NEW META
>>342861691
You are bad at this
Jesus what the fuck is this. You buffed every busted hero and nerfed the useless ones.
>Pharah
Currently the strongest offence hero in the meta and you want to make her even more dangerous? What.
The Reaper change isn't bad. Poor guy needs a little something.
>Mei
Mei isn't the best so nerfing her would make her even more useless. Her ability to disrupt with her shift is one of the only things she can really do against a good team.
>Torb
For consoles, maybe. Torb isn't a problem if your team knows how to focus.
>D.Va
As a tank, D.Va needs her ult to disrupt, not to go on a fucking killing spree. Even Roadhog, the least tanky tank with the least tanky ult, knocks people around when he ults.
>Winston
Buffing Winston?
BUFFING WINSTON?
YOU'RE GOING TO BUFF WINSTON?
ONE OF THE TOP 3 BEST HEROES IN THE GAME?
WHAAAT THEEEE FUUUUCK?
WHAAAAAAT THEEEEEEEE FUUUUUUUUUCK?
>Zarya
Uhhh she doesn't need either of those and having them in the game would be superfluous.
>Lucio
Why would you nerf healnigga? To make Mercy's heal more potent in comparison? I don't understand. Lucio is supposed to be slippery, that's 90% of his job.
Mercy one is debatable. I do think she gets ults way too fast but there must be a more intuitive change they can do instead of an arbitrary % increase in charge.
>Symmetra buff
Kek. Her turrets aren't what make her good, it's the shields and tele. Plus buffing a character with one of the highest winrates in the game isn't smart.
>Zenyatta
Zen is perfectly balanced in every way. You just need a co-ordinated team to play around you, like you need for Bastion.
I swear some of these people spend more time theorycrafting changes than learning how to actually play the game.
>Paying $40 for a F2P TF2 6s experience
Idk why I let my friends trick me into buying it
>>342864659
Pharah is already solidly in the meta. There is no reason to buff her.
>>342864461
I think getting rid of her ability to contest while in ice form would be fine. She has too many annoying but ultimately useless abilities, but that one is a bit egregious to game balance. Same goes for Zenyatta being able to do objectives while invuln.
>blizzard nerfs meis right click so it takes a second to activate
>blizzard in turn makes her left click freeze last 1.5 seconds so she can actually get the headshot out
>she naturally pisses the everloving fuck out of people she froze
Okay blizzard? Do you not see how this is a bad and retarded idea? Like you gave mccree the high burst damage for his short stun right? why the hell isn't mei the same then?
when you activate symettras ult you get a smaller ult meter,if you fill it up you regain a charge for your teleporter
Can we get some buffs/nerfs that actually make sense?
Reaper
>decrease time he stands still while teleporting
I don't even play reaper that but his teleport is only useful against shit teams or for getting out of spawn.
D.va
>change sfx of ult so you can actually tell hight/range of the explosion
>make it actually damage reinhardt's shield
It's so fun shutting down her ults as reinhardt by just holding down m2
Zenyatta
>make him move fast or increase his health
Just give him some way to escape from enemies
Tracer is perfectly balanced already
Not even joking
>>342864863
Payload and A/D aren't played in 6s at all. Only 5cp/koth, so it's already different. Plus, you're using minimum 6 different classes rather than 4 with offclassing for picks/last holds. TF2 is fundamentally different than Overwatch.
>>342864929
Dieing to mei by her head shot is for retards only.
Like all the people it insta gibs have an escape from it. The only one who doesn't is 76. and if a mei closed the gap on you git gud.
>Pharah
>Needing a buff
>>>/r/ /e/ /d/ /d/ /i/ /t/
haw 2 balenc
delets all hero's
only soldeir 69 lol
give more guns he can use
add killstreaks
>>342865391
>just like don't die to it bro git gud
>mei jumps down on you
>mei walks around a corner
>mei icewalls you off when you're in an enclosed space
And don't say "kill the mei first" if she wiffs you with the snow blower you can't aim.
And I'm litterally asking for a buff on her, Shits infuriating and shes still a shit hero.
People are still playing this game? Wow
Pharah doesn't need any buffs what the fuck? She's already the most balanced hero in the game. If she EVER were to get any buffs of any kind it should be to lower the CD of her skills by 1 sec, that's it.
>>342865758
It plays me ( ._.)
>>342864249
BABBIES FIRST FPS! HAHAHAAHAHAHASHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHFAGGOTHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAGOAHAHAHHAHAHAHAKILLHAHAHAHAHYOURSELF<HAHAHAH
>>342861691
>Pharah: Take her from being great to the best hero in the game
>Tracer: Make her the worst hero in the game
>Mei: Make her even worse
>Lucio: Nerf him into the fucking ground
>Winston: Make him immortal
Thank God you're not in charge of balancing.
>>342865709
Either you have a terrible mouse or you play on console
>>342865758
>game has over 10 million players
>people are still playing this game? Wow
Man shitposting has really reached a new low
>>342865758
No.
>>342861691
Lets get this shit started
>Gutting entire characters because you can't handle them
>People think Tracer is op
>People think Pharah needs buffs when she already decimates any squishy from range
>BUFFING DVA
>BUFFING ZARYA
>NERFING MERCY ULT
>NERFING ZENYATTA
>>342866015
>hes arguing against mei changes when he doesn't even know how meis slow works
>>342861691
>boku no nerf all heroes I don't like and buff those I like
>>342863154
sounds like he hates enemy junkrats tossing in a concussion mine and fucking up all the turrets at once.
Junkrat's fire rate is fucking ridiculous.
>>342864101
amazing to have during payload since the payload floats and he can draw LOS to those on the other side.
>>342866076
Argumentum ad populum.. McDonalds.. etc etc...
Millions of people play TF2 and Mobas, so if anything you just dissed the game. The only reason this game sold any copies was some very aggressive viral marketing.
>>342866464
You never talked about the game's quality, you just asked if people were still playing. Stop trying to act smart and fuck off.
>>342862620
Go back to your single player games you fucking autist. Maybe you can feel like you are good at something in a single play game.
>>342866635
Damn, that guy got bodied.
>>342864329
Most I can say for changing mei is adding a directional alert for her ult so you actually have a chance of getting away before being frozen.
>>342864461
I agree with not allowing her to contest while using it.
>>342866635
I'm sorry you bought Overwatch, it's too late for a refund.
>>342861691
>Wallride now has a 4 second cooldown
>He wants to debuff Mei, the shittiest character in the game
>He wants to buff Winston even more
>He wants to change Zarya for absolutely no reason
>He wants to make Mercy's ultimate more powerful
>He actually wants to buff orb of discord, the most insane ability of the entire game, even further
I fucking love these threads. They get more and more clueless by the day.
>>342866846
>being this mad that a game is selling well
I think it's time to stop arguing buddy
Put ults on cooldowns
The entire game is pretty much fixed now outside of character balance which will always be ongoing anyway
People want to nerf Mei not because she is OP, but because she is 100% pure unfun for everybody, including her own team.
>>342861691
>How to buff my favorite characters and nerf my most hated characters
>Wanting to buff/nerf based on how the top 0.01% of people play
This will always be idiotic to me, reminds me of Dirty Bomb when they nerfed Redeye's PDP despite the fact is was the least played character and 99% of people who played him were shit
>be australian
>try to play overwatch at 6am when every cunt is asleep
>get constantly put on american servers
>200 ping every match
matchmaking is the cancer that will kill overwatch
Guys what if...
Guys now hear me out
Guys
What if
What if
We take the orb of discord on zenyatta
Right guys
What if we take the orb
And made it reduce reinhardts shields effectiveness by the same amount it does his health %?
Right now rein doesn't give a shit if he puts his back to a zenyatta cause it doesn't affect his shields.
>>342867790
>Right now rein doesn't give a shit if he puts his back to a zenyatta cause it doesn't affect his shields.
Why are Mei players usually such insufferable meme spouting faggots? I don't think she's OP, just mildly annoying at times, but I notice that all the idiots who play her think they're EPIC TROLLS or something.
>>342867370
This. Let's get a longer cooldown on her ice wall. I'm so fucking sick of whittling the enemy's health down to critical condition just for the Mei on my team to put up a wall right in front of me before I can finish them off. I swear to god, this happens so often, especially when I'm playing as 76. Mei should be the only character who can take friendly fire damage just so you can turn around and blast her in the face when she pulls some bullshit like this. If I can't kill that singular Junkrat on the other side of your terribly place ice wall, at least let me kill the cunt who put it there.
FUCK.
>>342862620
Gtfo Angry Joe.
Name me one single player game that stays relevant that isn't Elder Scrolls
I am glad you aren't in charge of actually balancing overwatch
>>342861691
All of these suggestions are terrible. This is all you need:
>McCree
Restore FtH's damage, but remove reloading during dodge roll. Add range and iframes to dodge roll.
>D.Va
Move critbox to the rear of the MEKA, reduce speed penalty when firing.
>Mercy
Rezzed teammates start at 50% HP and quickly get to 100% while Mercy completes her ult animation.
Also this >>342861827.
>we're all soul jazz now
What did he mean by this?
>>342868256
>Rezzed teammates start at 50% HP and quickly get to 100% while Mercy completes her ult animation.
Aren't rezzed teammates invulnerable for a few seconds?
>>342861691
fuck off to /vg/ with this flavor of the month trash
>zenyatta can throw discord when hes charging his right click
>>342867790
I would actually love this change as it would actually give rein a little bit of a counter at the moment there's really no reason not to have a rein on every single team.
>>342868421
>Everyone is cumming on me
What did she mean by this?
>>342868424
Yeah, but after the rez animation they shouldn't have full health if Mercy dies while ulting.
>>342868720
Junk rat zarya pharah mccree etc all kill near instantly with their ults with no counterplay beyond hiding so why should she not have her current ult?
>>342868720
Oh then that's a pretty good idea anon.
Toobad all the nerfs are just blizzard tweaking damage numbers
>>342868650
What pisses me off is that reins only counter *when hes grouped with teammates* is a bastion.
Really wish there was something reliable/useful that also countered reinhardt pushes.
>>342868720
I think it'd be better to put a 5 second resurrection sickness debuff on the players she ults.
Have it cause them to deal less damage for a bit so the ult isn't just a flat counter to good plays by the enemy team.
>>342868901
>Junk rat pharah mccree etc all kill near instantly with their ults with no counterplay
>lists three of the most easilly counterplayed ults in the game
Anon, just shoot them. Like junkrats tire? just shoot it, pharah? just shoot it, mcree? yeah do whatever you feel like but don't forget to shoot it.
Mercy on the other hand,
>quick dash in to fallen allies
>press q
>no animation
>no problem
>>342861691
BLIZZARD HIRE THIS MAN
>>342869293
You clearly havent played mercy before at all, her ult does have an animation and it also stops both her and her allies who were revived from moving for a few seconds
>>342869219
Honestly I think it's fine that mercy counters ult plays. There Should be something that can counter a team whipe that is easy as fuck to setup.
Hell I think zenyattas ult should be more focussed on that, like give free walk when they are in zenyattas circle.
>>342869406
Yes there is an animation but the animation doesn't lead up to the ult. The ult is instantaneous regardless of her completing the animation.
>>342869494
She also counters other stuff, there's nothing more frustrating than pulling off a great flank, outplaying 3 people and then hearing that tart press her ult.
>>342861691
>making two shit characters beyond shit
>buffing 5 very viable characters
Impossible to be this stupid.
>>342869628
Yeah but there is ultimate satisfaction when you kill a mercy trying to wedge herself between her dead allies.
Then you hear that "heroes never die" when she rezes like 1 person.
>>342869035
Focused fire. Get that shield down.
>>342861691
Clearly a tank main. Nothing to see here. Just bad players being bad.
>>342869494
>There should be something that counters a wipe
I agree, but something that powerful shouldn't be instantaneous and brain-dead.
>>342865709
genji and pharah are literally the only offense heroes who cant kill mei in one second. While she has to spend a full two seconds minimum waggling her freeze stick on you.
>>342869838
Sure but like thats the entire team focussing something while the enemy team is free to shoot from behind it.
in fact it's silly how few people abuse reins shield or this game would be unplayable.
>>342861827
this.
and vot map
>>342861691
Nice bait
>>342869997
Most heroes don't do 250 health in 1 second.
they do just under it so heroes like mei or reaper can escape or kill them.
>>342869494
>Honestly I think it's fine that mercy counters ult plays.
But it should not be every single ultimate because her ULT gaining rate is out the roof
And she should not be able to pull it off from the safety of other room either
>>342869983
>Pressing Q as any dps hero
>Not brain dead
LMao
>buff zarya
easy way to detect shitters
>>342861691
>pharah buff
literally why
>buff reaper
Literally why
>huge tracer nerf
literally why
>mei changes
first thing that might not be completely retarded
>torbjorn nerf
Literally why
>DVA changed
2 okay ideas and a third full retard one.
>winston buff
Literally why
>zarya nerfs
fucking why? If anything she needs buffs to her ammo capacity.
>lucio changes
literally why
>mercy changes
>literally why
>symettra buffs
literally why
>massive zen buffs
dumb fucking ideas
>>342870093
His Alejandra comic is alright.
>>342870428
Most ults require a bare minimum of forethought before using them. If you have poor positioning, you can get shut down pretty easily. Not the case with Mercy's, because even in death it succeeds.
>>342861691
>nerf mei for literally no other reason than being shit at the game against her
>nerf the only thing that makes mercy even playable
>nerf everything and buff everything else
>>342869958
>shadbase
>>342870176
She really does gain her ult too fast. Its to the point where if you see a mercy, you better ALWAYS kill her first or she will ALWAYS just res whoever you kill instead.
>>342870637
>What is meis
>What is zarya
>What is tracer
>What is torbjorn
>What is dva
>What is symmetra
>>342861827
kick option is always a good idea, there is literally no valid arguement agaisnt it
>>342861691
>Winston Barrier to 1500
Hang yourself
"Change these heroes so I don't have to learn how to use them properly."
>>342870502
He wants to make a game where no one dies but everyone does damage. If his changes were implemented every game would end in a draw and everyone would have kdr of 0
Of all the things OP said, I do think Winston's shield could use a buff. It's bigger and spherical yes, but it seems to pop like a literal bubble.
I'd like his dps buffed too but I like being able to zap multiple people
>>342870747
>you better ALWAYS kill her first or she will ALWAYS just res whoever you kill instead.
...Right?
>>342861691
>how to turn my favorite characters into buffmonsters
i like winston too but no
Add dedicated servers, fix hitboxes, make it 60 ticks.
There, the game is already 70% less shit.
>>342870747
>you better ALWAYS kill her first
In theory thats what it should be done.
In practice, since she can do it behind walls, it mans fuck all in some cases, and once she presses Q, your team is fucked.
>>342870883
All counterable/avoidable and telegraphed pretty hard. While admittedly some are harder to deal with than others, a team revive should not be the easiest thing in the world to pull off.
>>342871627
I dont see how you avoid meis ult. If she drops it on you, you are frozen, period. Unless you have a built in escape, which half the heroes don't.
>>342871420
but that would take effort on blizzards part
>>342861691
Reaper shouldn't be able to pick up health packs when ghosting. If nobody can interact with him, then he shouldn't be able to interact with anything either
>>342871420
But Anon, consoles can't do that and we don't want to alienate the little shitters right?
>>342861691
>take tumblr, i grant you safe place: the hero and make her a male
>make Dva useful
>rework the dwarf's kit, force him to interact with his turret when it comes to killing someone (like, at least aim at the opponent's general direction)
>give robomonk a slight buff, he's too squishy
>mercy is way too ult reliant, adress it
>hanzos can now be removed by voting
>remove mei, hang frost mage players
>>342871759
>Half the heroes don't have escape options
True, but that's the point of counter-play. If you're facing a Mei, consider going Lucio or Zarya. Get out of the Blizzard and back up your boys.
>>342863181
My only complaint with Mei is that your aim also slows down when you're getting frozen.
I know the best balance
>kill people as reaper
>absorb their souls
>mercy can't revive them now
>>342861691
most of these ideas are terrible, and the ones that are good have already been suggested a million times.
Pharah is fine.
Reaper is fine.
This would utterly gut Tracer.
Heal is fine, the other changes are good but refer to initial comment.
Just increase acquisition time and no full heal to turret when ulting.
She's a tank, stop trying to turn her into something else. A reduction to critbox size is reasonable.
This would make Winston absolutely bananas.
Zarya is fine.
Anyone dumb enough to suggest nerfing the coolest and most enjoyable part of Lucio should not be making balance suggestions.
Yes, but again refer to initial comment.
Symmetra is fine.
Again, adding armor has been suggested to death. Orb is fine.
>>342861691
>the lucio wallriding nerf
i have not been this triggered in a while, i sure am glad you are not in a position to make any changes. fuck you
>>342863181
Dying is antifun
I dont get the complaints that she is anti fun, yeah she freezes you and puts a icicle between your dome and that's her gimmick, how is it any different from getting stun hammered by Mcree or flanked by Reaper, the only difference is that she does it slower and that's it
>>342870157
13 out of 20 heroes can do 250 damage in one second using just their normal attacks
your really only fucked against her freeze if you're by yourself playing genji or symmetra. even mei vs mei, it's technically a better matchup to use your icicle instead of freeze
>>342873037
Are you accounting for the fact that you can't aim if she slows you down? because mei vs mei and icicling is a horrible idea if she already started to freeze you
>Widowmaker
Infra-sight ends on death (or shortly after death)
>Reaper
Can't pick up health packs in Wraith form. Souls are ok.
pls buff zenny;~;
>>342861691
>Pharah
She's fine as is.
>Reaper
Yes please.
>Tracer
>Not her Blink
>Mei
No.
>Torb
Just the range Nerf and he's golden.
>D.VA
No.
>Winston
GODNO, ARE YOU LITERALLY A MONGOLOID?
>Zarya
Eh
>Lucio
Ew
>Mercy
Naa
>Symmetra
Yes please.
>Zen
2nd one is literally retarded, first one is passable.
Using your ult should consume the entire meter immediately. It's retarded that you can use it and die and still respawn with 75% of the meter.
>>342873756
I feel bad for your colon.
>>342873660
>Pharah
>Launch upward to get a good angle
>End up right in front of some shitty obstruction
>Ult because you were still rising and thought you'd be right under it
>Kill self and lose 50% of ult
>Instead lose 100% with your idea
No thanks, it's fine.
>>342861691
Fuck off, the game's balanced.
The only thing that **might** need a change is a small D.VA buff.
I think the balance is ok, the only thing I see wrong is that d.va is a bootleg winston, she doesn't offer anything over him.
I would sooner like to see ult-less gamemodes. Coordinate two ults that have synergy and you can bring the game to it's knees insanely fast, it feels like cheating.
>zenyattas ult gives team damage boost or speed boost
>completely negates all movement imparing effects or disables
>players have a larger visual notification telling them if they are in or out of the healing circle
From a scale of fixed to perfect how fixed is his ult?
>>342874089
Her ult is ridiculous if theres no cover nearby, people need to fuck off pretending that shes bad.
>>342874276
Can you give me an example of an area where there is no cover to run to immediately?
>>342872134
The enemy team is 6 people. Can't counterpick them all yourself.
>>342870919
With the kind of atrocious community that Overwatch has, this is a terrible idea
L4D2 is a perfect example for that
>>342874276
Her ult's literally a worse McCree with a longer wind-up.
>>342874486
Your team is also six people. Coordinate with them.
>>342874528
>L4D2 is a perfect example for that
Came just to say this
I want to marry D.Va!
>>342874031
How bad do you have to be to kill yourself with your own ult?
>>342874541
No you can't even compare mcrees ult to hers, he can actually setup kills with it and if he wants can kill squishies immediately.
If D.va had something that let her ult setup more if the enemy team didn't know it's location then it would probably be decent, or hell make the detonation take like 10 seconds and every second spent near it deals moderate damage. Now it's an actual point clearer.
>>342861827
Sounds like a good idea until you realize the majority of players are retarded.
can't have more than two of the same characters in one team.
So tired of fighting teams of 3 torjbörn and entering turretmania
>>342864779
Congrats on spending 5 minutes of your life replying to a complete shitter, lel.
>>342861691
>how to not play a shitgame:
uninstall overwatch
easy huh?
>>342872979
>Her main attack slows you down, nerfs you movement skills that would move you away from her and slows your aim
>Once Frozen Mei players will go for the headshot with the icicle because they need a hour to aim
>Barriers will fuck you up
>Being in her team will not stop the barriers from fucking you up either
>Her safe space makes her invulnerable, heals her and she still count for capture
>Hanzo players love her because slowing down allow them to headshot easier
Yeah, i don't know why people think she is anti-fun, like at all
>>342861827
>4 friends queue together and bully the other two constantly and then kicking them right before the game ends
No. The ONLY way this would work is if a premade counted as one vote
>>342873224
the only reason you wouldn't be able to aim is if you rely on wasd to aim instead of your mouse.
yeah i wouldnt recommend icicling mei but it's technically a win on paper. my point is though, all but a handful of heroes can kill her in the time it takes to freeze you, even when factoring in average human reaction time (0.25s)
The Pharah buff makes her completely broken. Stop missing your shots.
Imagine a TF2 soldier with 8 rockets and no need to rocket jump to fly.
>>342876205
>the only reason you wouldn't be able to aim is if you rely on wasd to aim instead of your mouse.
She slows your turn speed anon. please know the hero before you talk about her.
>>342875936
>List all abilities and attributes of a character
>ANTI FUN
go back to league, you can say this about any hero in the game
>>342876449
>lists abilities that are designed to be anti fun
ftfy
>>342861898
Armour reduces damage taken, it's a buff you mongo
>>342876448
the mouse slow only comes into effect after 0.5s
Pharah needs a small nerf to her dmg. She's way too safe for what she brings to the table.
Zenyatta needs either 150 shields OR 50 armor and 100 shields.
Zarya needs a real nerf though nobody seems to notice how stupidly strong she is.
Everyone else is fine.
>>342861691
>nerfing the two worst characters
>buffing one of the best ones
>making Lucio boring
kill yourself.
>>342876761
Like I said, dying and losing is antifun, by your logic anyone who deals damage should not because it ruins your experience
>>342877080
So within a half a second you have to deal 250 damage, and accounting for latancy that's about .3 seconds.
>>342877093
Go up against a team that can look up and tell me she's safe.
>>342877358
How about stop going on solo missions?
Mei can do nothing to more then 1 person at a time without her ult and any well connected team makes it that she can literally do nothing against you
Mei is designed to kill people who are out of position, you SHOULD feel bad after dying to her, it was your fault
>>342877663
>well stop playing bad
Coolioso anon, sept for all the heroes that were designed to be flankers or she caught in a corner with her ice wall or just ambushed all together.
>>342863902
>>342866886
>>342872964
>There are people who defend the manlet shit's obnoxiously overpowered mobility and healing
Seriously? Every other mobility skill in the game has a cooldown of some sort. Lucio needs to be gutted just so other supports even have a reason to be picked.
>>342878317
All the heros designed to be flankers have mobility skills, unless Reaper, who should always shit on Mei because he can wraith out of the process of getting frozen
Have you ever thought that maybe you shouldn't fight the anti-flanker hero as a flanker and should use your mobility to get away from her?
>>342877358
your aim only really goes to shit in the last 0.5s, so you have 1.5s to do 250 damage. factor in latency (0.16s) & reaction time (0.25s) and you have 1.1s to shoot away. once we've factored ALL this in, 11 heroes can kill her if you have can aim and have average reflexes.
latency = 1st client ping + 2nd client ping + ( server tickrate * 2) + monitor fps
latency = 25 ms + 25 ms + (50 ms * 2) + 10 ms = 160 ms
>>342878332
>Every other mobility skill in the game has a cooldown of some sort.
>it's not fair mom!
Seriously, choke holding mobility abilities is the dumbest shit ever. It is the gayest form of balance and removes all fun.
>>342878618
>mei icewalls them when they try to escape
It's like you've never played against a good mei.
Unless your out in the open *which mei normally isn't* you're trapped.
>>342878774
>t. lucio main
>>342878667
But it starts going down immediately which is extremely disorientating as it is, along with your movement speed.
Even McRee's bullshit isn't as bad because you stop for one moment but when you snap out of it, you've got all your faculties.
>>342878965
GO THE OTHER WAY RETARD
>>342878975
Nah I can't handle his gun so I never play him I usually play zenyatta or mercy.
>>342879058
Into her as you waste time, get out of wraith form quicker so she can freeze you all over again with no way of getting out this time? Great.
>>342879058
>go towards the mei
>go towards Mei's team
genius anon
>>342879058
>try to go the other way
>retarded eskimo is already freezing you
>>342879193
Reaper into Mei is a skill matchup, if you can't kill her before she kills you, she's flat out better then you
Keep bringing the excuses I could do this all day
>>342879028
>Even McRee's bullshit isn't as bad because you stop for one moment
That, and the stun only lasts .7 seconds. without including the slow meis freeze lasts 1.5 seconds.
Now imagine that time you spend trying to get out of the freeze compiled on that
>Buffing Pharah
But Pharah is already strong as fuck.
>>342879371
>mei zones reaper with headshots
>mei freezes him when she ambushes him
>if reaper misses hes in fucked town because she can iceblock and then fuck him up
I really never got the reaper counters mei thing. Unless he gets the immediate drop hes royally fucked.
>>342879235
If you are playing a flanker you should be going into the enemy team, that's the whole reason you are in this mess right? because you are playing a flanker, otherwise, why are you alone?
>>342879351
What is mobility?
>>342879371
>muh mei isn't op ur just not good
like clockwork
Mercy's ultimate needs to be changed. Reviving through walls? C'mon
>>342879649
>reaper gets slowed by mei
>wraiths towards the enemy team
>little did they know this is exactly what I wanted, I AM MORE POWERFUL WHEN THERE ARE ENEMIES NEAR ME
>>342879598
I never said that Reaper counters her, I said it's down to skill
>>342861691
Almost all of these are completely retarded lol.
>>342872979
Mei is annoying because she turns into an ice cube whenever she's threatened. By herself, she's worthless, which is why most Mei players just run around and be assholes when fighting over objective. She's mostly just a distraction that stops you from dealing with important targets and wastes your time. If you ignore her, however, you die.
Mei's entire gameplay design is flawed, as she doesn't do much for the team that Winston doesn't already do better. Solution: Get rid of ice cube, and replace it with some something else. Ice cube enables Mei's current "I'm just gonna run around and be an annoying bitch" playstyle, instead of having her "I'm gonna protect the team from flanks and assasins" that she was more likely intended to have. To enforce the fact she's supposed to stop people from sneaking up on the team, give her some sort of mine that slows enemies who run into it, but doesn't do any damage. This allows Mei to catch up to characters like Tracer or Winston, and gives her time to eliminate them as a threat.
We don't have any character that fills this role right now, which is why you see so many Winstons. We need a "deal with initiators, distractions, and sneak attacks" character, and Mei, if fixed, could be that character. But for right now, all she does is get assists by running around like a dumbass, and then healing herself.
>>342879649
>What is mobility?
I don't know, what is it? As soon as Mei's freezeray touches you, you can wave bye bye to any you ever had.
>>342879879
it's actually a general consensus sort of thing that reaper counters mei.
>>342879765
That's what I said, if you seriously have that much trouble with her as a flanker then stop trying to play a flanker when there is a anti-flanker on the enemy team who is there to make your life hell, it's literally that simple
>>342879867
>I don't want to be close to the enemy team as Reaper
what are you, a retard?
>>342875936
>because they need a hour to aim
Actually the first shot of the icicle has a long start up that's why she takes her time.
That and the pure evil she is.
>>342879028
mccree was definitely the bigger evil before the nerf imo. if he had the drop on you and you werent playing someone with more than 400hp, it was literally a guaranteed kill. now it's only guaranteed against tracer & zenyatta.
at least with mei, there's a glimmer of hope that you can actually kill her half the time if there's no one to help you.
>>342861691
No! You just need to chance a heros at time andgit gud.
>>342880253
>I don't want to be close to the enemy team as Reaper
Okay anon
I don't know about you but when I'm playing reaper I don't run in like a retard straight to the enemy team. Now Maybe they buffed reaper to be ridiculously powerful the more people surround him but I don't know, I haven't played the game in a day. Maybe they buffed him? looking over the patch notes and I haven't seen anything like this.
>>342880253
>"i dont want to 1v5" somehow translates to "i don't want to be close to the enemy team"
>>342879908
Finally someone who isn't stupid
I could get behind a change like that, of course she is annoying though, it's practically her job to rain on the parade of flankers and deny them kills
>>342880489
>>342880467
Never said anything about 1v5, I said towards the enemy team, the entire fucking reason you encountered the Mei was because you were trying to get behind the enemy team
>>342880310
It's reverse really.
>mcree stuns a guy
>if he doesn't get the kill he has shit for tools to deal with the player and will normally get fucked up by the flanker
>Mei misses her freeze or whatever
>Iceblock full health, icewall to escape
Like at least Mcree has to gamble something when he throws his flashbang.
Honestly, Mei just shouldn't have 250 HP and it's a travesty that she does when she has such a ridiculous self-heal.
>>342878332
>>342878774
it's not even his mobility skill. That would be like making hanzo or genji have a 4 second cooldown on their wall climb or double jump.
>>342880674
And congrats, you are now out 1 wraith form and are running into the unknown of an enemy team setup that are likely in a position to rape your boi pussy when you leave wraith form.
With a mei right behind you.
>>342880012
one shot to the face from reapers gun at point blank will kill mei.
>>342879978
half the roster have an ability that lets them skidaddle away from her anyway
>>342880815
>I shouldn't have to ever use any abilites when encountering a antiflanker as a flanker
Again you have the option of 1v1ing her as Reaper, it can be done
>>342881049
>half the roster have an ability that lets them skidaddle away from her anyway
Genji
Pharah
junkrat
tracer
that's about all the heroesoff the top of my headthat can move away from her when shes freezing them, all movement improving abilities are negated by her freeze.
If shes in her hole or whatever only 1 of those heroes have a chance of escaping.
>>342875051
Sometime with D.Va I try to distract people from my ult.
You'd be surprised how well it works sometimes.
how long is the fucking leavers penalty?
>queue for qm
>game puts me in 200ms server
>leave
>again
>leave
>again
>next day i have a penalty WITH NO WARNING
gg bliz
>>342862931
It's a stupid suggestion because you would literally never turn more than 180 degrees.
>>342878332
not true, soldier's sprint doesnt have a cooldown.
>>342881262
>reaper wraiths in response to her freezing
>she ice walls
>she backs the fuck up from him and zones him
>she freezes him while dancing around him
>if hes compitent enough she iceblocks and baits a reload and then kills him
>>342867609
the fuck are you doing living in australia?
>>342881353
>Mcree stun and roll away
>Reaper wraith
>Soldier sprint
>Widow hookshot
>Dva boost
>Winston jump
>Rien charge
>Lucio boost
>Mercy fly to another player
Yes some are more effective then others, it would be stupid if flat out mobility won over Mei, she would be far worse then she is now (and she is already considered one of the weakest heros in the game)
>>342861691
>Nerfing Tolberone
I play this game on console with my shitter friends and even there this meme doesn't apply if you have trouble with him you're terrible he has like 6 hard counters
>Those Winston buffs
I'm done you're an idiot.
>>342881556
>Shoot her twice
>Mei is dead
WOWO
>>342881876
>>Soldier sprint
Won't save you if she landed any of her mist.
>>342881353
you missed a few
winston can leap
mercy can fly to team mates
dva can rocket boost
reinhardt can charge
widowmaker has a grappling hook
mccree can stun and roll away
add in the four you mentioned and that makes up half the roster
>>342861691
>buff strong characters
>nerf weak characters
you fuckin wot m8
Counter to triple bastion? Or just got gud?
>>342882091
if you are point blank range and she didn't move and you weren't wiffed by her freeze.
You basically have to be right ontop of her when you leave wraith and immediately land both shots.
In all honesty this is why they need to add a cancel to wraith form.
>>342861691
>Cryo-freeze no longer heals Mei and can no longer contest while frozen.
That is absolutely retarded
>>342882349
Junkrat/ someones ultimate abuse
that's it really, if they have aim and or team mates you can't kill them. Even snipers can't kill them reliably due to this widow nerf.
What's your favorite Defense character?
Junkrat > Mei > Bastion > Toblerone > Hanzo > Widowmaker
>>342877024
armour doesn't recharge, shield does dickhead
it's a nerf
>>342882756
Mei>Junk>Trob>>>>>>>Hanzo>Bastard>Widow
>>342882774
they're not taking away any of his 100 shield
instead of
>50 hp
>100 shield
he'll have
>50 armour
>100 shield
which is a buff
>>342882756
Mei
headshot game mixed with the versatility of walls is fun as fuck. I just wish they'd get rid of the shitty left click and give her something useful instead.
>>342882756
Bastion > Torbjorn > Mei > Junkrat > Widowmaker > Hanzo
>>342877295
There's a difference. Anti-Fun is normally any ability which actively makes it harder for the opponent to play the game. Any situation where one character cannot fight back is anti-fun.
Mei is on this list because she eliminates your ability to fight back, and even if you are about to kill her, turns into an ice cube and prolongs fighting her stupid ass.
This is also why characters that can fire at you from ranges that most characters can't fight back from (Widowmaker, Torj, Bastion, Hanzo), are also anti-fun: They can kill you, but you can't kill them unless you sneak past all of your other enemies (Which isn't always practical), or hope you have a teammate who has a hard counter to their bullshit.
GOD LUCIO IS SO GOOD
I LOVE LUCIO
>>342882894
>5 damage reduction for 50 armor
like .2 seconds of time saved. You would litterally only save yourself from stuff killing you due to shitty lag compensation.
>>342864419
hehe this
faggots you suck at this game
>>342862983
This, definitely the dumbest shit I've seen in these types of threads.
Why do retards keep trying to pretend they know how to balance?
Pretty much none of the characters in the game actually need to be needed to be needed/buffed
>>342861691
the onlt problem with this is
>Lucio wallride cooldown
no one even uses it when i play and it isnt even effective during most gamemodes
>mfw it takes 3 full charged widow shots to kill bastion now
>>342883119
nobody said the buffs had to be outrageously fantastic
>>342861691
so you main pharah and the tank classes. got it.
>>342861691
>talks about Zarya
>triggers
Fuck me, that's retarded, but it got a chuckle out of me, best unintentional character diss.
>>342883398
mccree badly needs a buff rework and zenyatta is iffy.
>be aloud to play video games at all in Australia
>>342883440
>shoot bastion once or twice
>he reconfigures back into sentry mode
>his dps is now a third of what it used to be
mission accomplished
>>342883064
But you can fight back, there has probably been some stupid situation somewhere where a Mercy won a 1v1 on a Mei in a tiny little room
She excels in 1v1 situations and stopping flankers, she was made to fuck you over for bad positioning
You really want to know the secret from ever having trouble with Mei?
Go find 5 friends and play with them, talk with them and communicate, Mei is litterally hard countered by a team being connected
"Oh Mei is in that room, lets go in there and fuck her life up"
"Oh Mei has frozen one of us, better use a knockback skill"
"Oh Mei is fucking useless now, why did I ever complain about this shitty character who is hard countered by teamwork in a team game"
>>342861691
Another easy way to nerf may:
Primary fire only freezes foes, doesn't damage them. Increased time it takes to freeze would also go a long way.
OW would benefit greatly from one of these:
1) Lose all ult charge upon death
2) Lose a good amount of ult charge upon death
3) Ults charge significantly slower (Except Symmetra's)
4) Ults are removed
>>342861946
>mfw i would get banned from comp for weeks because me and my friends would vote kick the low fragger on our team right before the round would end
>>342883440
It always did because of Armor.
>>342883636
>aloud
>>342883579
When I first started playing him, I really felt like Zenyatta needed some buffs.
But now that I've been using him for (nearly) six hours straight, I really like where he is. His survivability is alright, so long as you keep your positioning right, and he can be an absolute monster with his team in front of him and telling your team what you're doing. I call out who I've discorded, enemies that I see flanking, and reminding people to stay in sight of me if they want heals.
I won't say that he's perfectly balanced, the 150 hp with no escape ability means that I need to have my aim on fucking point for when the Tracer's and Genji's come along, which is so often isn't. but in those scenarios having 50armor instead of health won't really extend my life by that much, and it will also not really save me from widowmakers.
I've read people talking about having the orbs out, or not out, would increase your speed and that's an interesting concept.
I couldn't say what you could do to Zenyatta to make him more balanced with other characters, but right now I'm having a blast with him.
>Cryo-freeze no longer heals Mei and can no longer contest while frozen.
So Bastion and Roadhog should have self heals, but Mei's is OP?
>>342883440
>Play Genji
>Stand in front of Bastion
>Press E
>He dies almost instantly
Is every Bastion player this clueless? I could understand this lack of awareness in the beta, but we are well into the meta game at this point.
>>342883805
You don't understand how hard it was for bastion against widowmaker.
If they get a first charge on you and you reconfigure you are guaranteed to die because they will just bodyshot again and then quickly shoot the 5 remaining health down.
>>342884407
you are so used to holding down m1 and spamming you dont see the genji
>>342884407
Genji shits on Bastion hard, no matter how experienced the Bastion player is.
OP is a faggot.
>>342883890
mercy can actually do some pretty reliable damage. her gun is easy to hit headshots with & can match junkrats DPS
>>342884407
It's mostly the latency, if you see a genji do this you can stop immediately but will take all the damage.Because on his screen bastion kept shooting him and he gets all the damage.
>>342861691
>Widowmaker
Firing her ult uninstalls the game
>>342884487
I like fighting Bastions that try to run.
Commit or Die.
holy shit OP, I hope for the sake of gamers everywhere you never get a job balancing anything
>>342861691
People like you are the worst thing to happen to online gaming
>"Let's continuously patch, nerf, and buff the game to oblivion"
Just git gud
>>342861691
>nerf shitty heroes
>buff good ones
good job, retard
>>342884604
Is that supposed to be Izma?
>>342884487
oh sorry i didn't look at your gif and assumed you thought it negative.
all of overwatch has benefited from her nerf. 150 damage from nowhere is no fun
>>342884678
Toobad bastion is like the only reliable tank counter.
Mei
>Ult and Primary fire either freeze or slow, not both.
Hanzo
>reduce damage on scatter arrow
>Reduce critical damage
Tracer
>Backtrack removes all blink charges
Widowmaker
>Remove her from the game
>>342884846
What is reaper.
>>342885117
More high shield heroes like reinhardt. if the team is behind a rein you can't do much as reaper.
>>342884034
so you want to gimp her already shitty damage output? her freeze only does 45 dps anyway. for reference, you can do more damage per second button mashing left click as hanzo
>>342861827
Premades would just kick people off right at the end
>>342884846
tracer, reaper, roadhog, widowmaker & torbs all melt tanks
>>342882756
Junkrat feels too much like Demoman, you just spam bombs and abuse the traps, and your Ult makes it way too easy to wipe out 3-4 other players.
Bastion just feels cheap, I don't even feel good mowing down the entire team from a corner.
Toby the Turret is just engineer with less mobility because you have to rebuild your sentry instead of moving it, and is equally as unsatisfying to play.
I haven't played Hanzo much, but Widowmaker and Mei are the only defense heroes that give me any sort of feeling of accomplishment. Widowmaker moreso than Mei because Mei is cancer.
My list is Widowmaker > Mei > Junkrat > Toby > Bastion
>Making Lucio trash by removing his mobility.
>>342882349
Genji and Zarya. Peek in bursts to get full charge bombs.Also git gud.
>>342863317
Make it so you can put the orb on inanimate objects (e.g. cargo) and you got me
>>342884764
>replying to bait
Good job, retard.
>>342885704
the best threads always start with contentious topics (aka bait)
>>342885273
>flank
>kill healer
>rein turns around
>shiggy diggy doo
>>342861691
>All these awful fucking changes
I don't think you made a single good change except maybe the Mercy nerf. Please never fucking discuss balance in any game ever again. Is it a new fucking meme to propose terrible changes like this or is /v/ just full of shitters who can't into balance?
>there are people who legitimately want to nerf Zarya
Fucking why.
>>342886001
>that feel when maximum charge
>>342886001
They want Overwatch to be a game of Pokemon where you throw a hero at another hero to instantly counter it instead of a contest of skill.
>>342886182
Isn't that overwatches general design?
Tweaks I propose
>DVA loses the fuckhuge critbox
>hanzo loses the hitbox advantage
>roadhogs who're being a worthless ult grindstone for the enemy team get an email telling them how shitty they are
>reaper's tossed empty guns now do melee damage
>>342861691
>>Pharah
>Slightly increase air time
>Ammo count increased to 8 before reloading
Pharah doesn't need a buff, but you need to kill yourself
>>342861691
>buffing zarya
>>342886658
>reaper's tossed empty guns do melee damage
imagine getting killed by someone's fucking reload and seeing that on a PotG
Add more supports.
Add a Reinhardt alternative.
Give something for D.Va to do.
>>342861691
>no fun allowed
>Roadhog gives bonus ult charge to enemies
>The hit sound for roadhog is the most satisfying noise in the world
>hitting him when he heals doubles the ult charge and the sound is even better
>>342861691
>turret range reduced from 40 to 25 meters
I don't have to ever play Overwatch to know that's overkill.
>>342861691
Threads like these should warrant a life-time ban.
The worst part is that you're not just 'trolling' or being ironic. You legitimately meant every word of what you wrote.
Actually fucking kill yourself.
Make armor useful
Give Phara 50 more health in armor
Let her jetpack take her a little bit higher without using the boost.
>>342887008
What other support niches need to be filled? Mercy's got the pocket medic role filled, lucio is the medic, zenyatta is a medic/offense hybrid, and symmetra is a remix of torbjorn who can create teleporters.
Again for reinhardt, how do you make an alternative to him? unless you rip off the shield, which is literally the core concept of his character, you're not going to make a tank that can compete with him
>>342861691
Buddy, I'm going to fix everything you just said...
>>Pharah
>Slightly decrease jump jet cooldown.
>>Reaper
Your solution sounds fine.
>>Tracer
Tracer doesn't need nerfs.
>>Mei
>Decreasing her max ammo pool
>Decreasing how effective her freeze is.
>Decrease the range in which she can throw her ultimate.
This would mean Mei has to be ammo-conscious, or else she won't have enough to shoot an icicle after freezing.
>>Torbjorn
>Give the turret an ammo pool that requires Torbjorn to hit it with the hammer to refill it.
>>D.Va
>Damage drop off range extended to 10 meters.
>Critbox size reduced by 50%
I agree with this. Her ultimate is fine though. Maybe a 3 second charge up instead of 4 though.
>>Winston
>Decrease Jump cooldown by 1 second
>Increase damage from 45 to 50
>>Zarya
>Shields can be triggered when stunned and remove debuffs.
>Shields no longer prevent debuffs if already active (Can cancel Reinhardt's stun if used after being hit, but will still be stunned if barrier is active when he ults)
Literally backwards. Shields should prevent debuffs, stuns should prevent shielding. She's fine as is.
>>Lucio
>Decrease personal healing by 25%
>>Mercy
>Ultimate charge time increased by 20%
A-yup
>>Symmetra
>Teleporter lasts until destroyed. 6 charges max, 1 charge resupplies every 30 seconds.
>>Zenyatta
>Slightly increase movement speed
>Give him a double jump
>Allow him to descend slowly like Mercy if holding jump.
>>342887815
lucio is the whole team* medic, that is
>>342887815
Make a hero that sets up safe zones for the players. Have the hero be about turtle hopping, be more powerfully defensively but less mobile than reinhardts shield
?
>>342887979
>>Give the turret an ammo pool that requires Torbjorn to hit it with the hammer to refill it.
wei
hes supposed to be a gunslinger class that has disposable turrets that disaude the team. He shouldn't have to float around his turrets.
>>342888048
That's basically the monkey if you're looking for less mobile shields
>more powerful defensively
reinhardt is already next to unkillable if he's well supported, imagine this even-better-defensively turtle tank plopping down on the point with healers and DPS supporting him.
>>342887979
>Teleporter lasts until destroyed. 6 charges max, 1 charge resupplies every 30 seconds
No faggot that means she only needs one teleporter.
>Zenyatta
>double jump
why
>>342888308
yeah and hes less mobile with the shields, reinhardt though can move with the team, this guy cannot.
Also monkeys shields suck for anything team wise.
>>342888236
He shouldn't have both. Either he's a gunslinger, or he's an engineer. If he's going to be running around firing at enemies, his turrets shouldn't be as sturdy and efficient as they are. Look at the Engineer in Team Fortress: You either get the great sentry turret and you have to babysit it, or you get the far less effective mini-turrets so you can run around attacking. Torbjorn's turret is too robust for something that doesn't need to be babysat, and for a character that is too capable combat-wise without the turret.
>>342888370
>double jump
Not him but his entire kit revolves around him being vertical, but he doesn't have anything that lets him go up.
>>342888616
>too robust
you can't be fucking serious anon
>>342888616
His turret only does 14 dmg
>>342888675
Nothing about his set is about being Vertical it's about being in the middle of your group not the front nor back, pic is not related to you
>>342888564
so what's to stop him from plopping his shields down on the payload or the objective? a good reinhardt with even half decent support is already near unkillable.
>>342888789
>Nothing about his set is about being Vertical it's about being in the middle of your group not the front nor back
Nah man you need to be high up to be effective with zenyatta, you need complete sight over people and the only way to maintain it is with verticality. That and it's a good defensive measure so people can't ambush you if you're way up top.
>>342888370
>No faggot that means she only needs one teleporter.
Not at all. It can still be destroyed, at which point, it needs to be put back up after a full ultimate recharge.
>>Zenyatta
>>double jump
>why
Because his attack power, Harmony, and Discord are all fine, and his low health should be balanced out with greater mobility so that he can actually stand a chance at evading incoming attacks. Because his orbs do all the work while they are distributed, Zenyatta feels like a character you don't really get to do much with aside from his basic attack. The double jump would provide him better evasion, and make it feel like you're actually doing more than just flinging attacks while you survey the battlefield from the back of the pack.
>>342888850
His low level of mobility obviously. if you have someone like bastion you could chew through his shield, and the team would be in a dillema where they need to meet the enemy team but be forced to leave the safety of the shield but it can't move with them.
>>342861691
>155234263th thread asking for a Mei nerf
It's not going to happen. L2P or uninstall.
>>342889240
unless there's already a bastion, or shit, a soldier or pharah or widow or hanzo under the barrier preventing a bastion from setting up
>>342888789
>His turret only does 14 dmg
It does 14 per shot, and 4 shots per second at stage 2. Since it locks on to the target and doesn't miss, it will inflict 56 damage per second to whoever it is attacking. Basic characters like Soldier 76 or Reaper would therefore lose a quarter of their health in 1 second. That's pretty decent, considering it just sits there and doesn't have to be babysat.
>>342889502
>team has a shield on the bastion
>team throws a shit ton of shield ignore abilities at the thing
now wut
Also it wasn't really meant to be a barrier but more a safe space. that actually doesn't have to be a shield that could be something like a wide ass healing area or something that does moderate damage to people inside it.
>>342861691
>Buffing Pharah
No.
>Buffing Reaper
No.
>Nerfing Tracer
Yes.
>Nerfing Mei
Yes, but the cocoon change would be too much.
>Nerfing Torbjorn
I hope the pubs gods permit it
>Buffing D.Va
Yes, Ult seems good, but it's hard to revert stuff in games.
>Buffing Winston
He's already good. I only think his barrier needs to be stronger.
>Buffing Zarya?
Why?
>Nerfing Lucio
"oh yeah, your wallride is useless now. have fun. also, now that we removed your main means of escape, your heals are shit"
What did OP mean by this?
>Nerfing Mercy
Yes.
>Buffing Symmetra
No. People would commit mass suicide.
>Buffing Zenyatta
???
>mfw proposed Lucio nerfs
>>342887272
>Trump poster
oh the ironing
>>342877614
Like most things in Overwatch, it depends entirely on the teamcomp. There's nothing more annoying than being a Rein on a team of people that will NOT deal with Pharahs.
>>342890136
if it's not a barrier then it's not really replacing bastion. if he could just sit there and heal zone/aoe damage, he'd be better off supplementing bastion, not replacing him
>>342861691
I have a easier fix
Gitgud and l2counter
uninstall the game if you do not agree
>>342884407
It's mostly latency combined with the Bastion trying to track like four targets at once. To you, you're just using an ability that takes about 3/4 of a second to kill a full HP Bastion. To the Bastion, they're firing, they see a Genji, turn while firing and they're dead, with maybe 1/8 of a second to try to stop firing. Even if they do, all their HP is gone. Either way there's no point at all. Genjis hard counter the shit out of Bastions, unless the Genji is completely alone and the Bastion sees him coming.
>>342875953
Then just make it so that if you get votekicked and your team wins, you get the XP you would have gotten anyway.
>>342885434
Just about anything does, honestly. Even a Mei can cause tanks a lot of grief.
>>342884280
Problem is he is huge and he doesn't move his limbs when floating.
>>342884280
My problem with him is that he doesn't fit into comps very well. He's not that reliable for damage, he's no tank, he doesn't flank/assassinate, and he's certainly no healer. Usually pub teams are lacking two core roles even after 4/5 selection because two dumbasses both want Hanzo or 76. So using Zenyatta is a luxury pick.
>>342890196
>>Buffing Pharah
If for no other reason than the fact she can't rocket jump. Either let her rocket jump and remove her jumpjets, or decrease the jet cooldown by like... a second.
-Buffing Reaper
Reaper really should be able to cancel his Wraith Mode. There's no point in making you ride all the way through it if you don't need the full duration. Considering the things in the came you can cancel, I was stunned the first time I played Reaper and found you couldn't cancel it. It makes no sense.
>Nerfing Tracer
Tracer doesn't need nerfs. She's fine. She only has 150 health, and her rewind isn't that hard to keep track of, even if she uses it to refill. Her damage is high, but she also requires great accuracy. She has a high skill cap, there's no reason learning a how to use her well shouldn't have a good payoff.
>>Nerfing Torbjorn
He does need something. His turret is too reliable given his personal combat prowess, or his personal combat prowess is a little too good given the reliability of his turret.
>>Buffing D.Va
D.Va definitely needs something. Her damage is too low unless you're right up on the enemy, her ultimate is practically worthless in terms of doing anything other than getting the enemy to take half a step in a different direction. Personally, I find it obnxious that her MEKA calldown doesn't have invincibility frames... the fact you can get stunned as you're getting into the MEKA, or that it can be destroyed instantly upon calldown... that's just fucking ridiculous.
>>Buffing Winston
He just needs a second taken off his jump cooldown.
>>Buffing Zarya
Literally no point. She's fine.
>>Nerfing Lucio
He just needs his personal healing to be slightly less effective.
>>Nerfing Mercy
Absolutely. It seems like she gets her ultimate nearly instantly.
>>Buffing Symmetra
I think her teleporter shouldn't have a limit, but that's me. It isn't like you can't just destroy the thing.
>>Buffing Zenyatta
He just needs better evasion.
Wrong as fuck OP
The only ones who possibly need a nerf. Is Zara and maybe reinheart.
Increase cool down time for reinhearts shield for just a little bit and do the same of Zara's personal shield.
Buff zentanyas health or movement speed. Make him have 200 health and I would be fine. Allow his healing orb to do like other anons say and have a slight area effect.
Maybe MAYBE buff mercy's pistol damage or ROF.
No more nerfs/ buffs are needed y'all just need to get fucking good.
>>342891957
Pharah can already stay in the air a huge amount of time, in a pretty horizontally minded game. This isn't Quake or Tribes.
I've been theorycrafting balance in games like all my life cuz im a retard nerd, and reading this post gave me literal cancer.
Thanks senpai.
>>342892350
If you read the first 2 lines and they are retarded don't carry on you fucking autist
>>342892136
People who think she needs more air time, dont know how to use her movement rocket to boost into the air.
so, does anyone else has the feeling that there's some kind of problem with the hitdetection when shooting someone who's bunnyhopping?
Seriously, mostly when targeting Mei as Pharah while she's jumping around like crazy it seems like she doesn't even get splash dmg eventhough I clearly see my rockets landing right before her feet. It's weird.
And yes, I'm fully aware that not getting hit is the reason for all the jumping but I'm talking about cases where shots should have hit targets regardless.
I'd gladly give away half my rocket damage for faster cooldown, more airtime and more airspeed on Pharah.
Just because it's designed to be a XY-axis borefest doesn't mean it needs to be one. If everyone just played Pharah, the game would be a tenfold more fun.
>>342861691
Anyone who thinks Mei's icicle is too powerful has never actually played as her.
>>342891957
1. I don't play 'nuff Pharah, but she already tilts me too much like this
2. He has no counter character right now. Long range is his soft counter, but that doesn't mean much. Buffing him would just make him McCree 2.0, which he almost is right now.
3. Tracer needs nerf based on the skill ceiling. In theory, a player close to the skill ceiling can dodge so well that it would cause problems. Her E makes mastering that even more strong, which is pretty stupid.
4. I play Torbjorn and have fought against him a bunch. His turret needs to allow peek-and-shooting. It's literally the only problem with it. His gun might be a bit too strong for what he does, too.
5. Basically, give her more range with M1 and remove the slow. I think it would fix her if she was close-mid range with "low damage"
6. IMO, I just feel his shield is really weak, but the rest of his kit is solid. I don't play him often, but that's the feeling I have everytime. It has a long cooldown for how much HP it has
7. What I thought too
8. That, pretty much. Lucio's my main and it's probably the self-healing that's causing trouble. It took me so much time mastering wall riding that it would be an insult to add that cooldown.
9. I play Mercy too. Definitly make it longer.
10. I think the teleporter's balanced. Her auto-aim gun feels really unfair, though.
11. Yes.
>>342861691
FGC here
How about let the game breath before bitching about balance. You be surprised at how the meta change after some time. The game just fucking came out for fuck sake.
I can't aim for shit.
What's the hero with the least amount of aiming other than Reinhardt and Winston?
Should Torbjorn's gun get a nerf? Or reduced range? I know I'm playing against shitters, but it seems pretty ridiculous that I not only have a turret, but a gun that is basically a shotgun and sniper rifle all in one.
>>342892876
Genji or Hanzo.
How about making Symmetras turret take no damage while not firing? They could have a shield that must be deactivated for firing.
>>342892971
>Genji
What
>>342892971
really?
I find it quite hard to hit with both bow and shurikens
>>342893083
>>342893071
Bow has the Huntsman Effect and Shurikens are perfect if you flail your mouse around during engagements.
>>342861691
Buff Bastion, he is too underpowered.
>>342869035
The counter is to go around the shield. Pharah, Junkrat, Hanzo, Genjis etc can all do this fairly easily.
>>342892876
Symmetra
>>342862425
Are you serious? That ult has won me the game so many times. It's better to use it as a scare tactic to keep people away rather than get kills. It's a lifesaver in overtime.
I wish Bastion was changed a bit so he wasn't so reliant on turret form. I think his sentry form should be up'd, his switch time reduced, but his turret form now has a minigun spin mechanic. Meaning he no longer can turn and obliterate someone but he's still good at holding down an alley. I think he'd be a lot more fun and less cancerous if he was designed around switching and moving around rather than anchoring in a position. This way he's not an easily counterable PUB stomper, but someone who might actually see require skill to utilize effectively.
Does anyone have that webm of Hanzo headshotting Widow around the corner?
>>342861691
>buffing Pharah
THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN, I'm already kicking way too much ass as Pharah
>>342861691
WHAT IF PHARAH GOT TO SHOOT RYUU GA WAGA TEKI WO KURAU'S INSTEAD OF MISSILES DURING HER BARRAGE?
AND MERCY GETS A CHAINGUN THAT SHOOTS HEALING?
GET ON IT BLIZZARD!
>>342861691
I swear to god there's literally no post that can get the slightest bit of balance right.
>Turret now has a small delay when turning at an angle over 180 degrees.
Do you not understand how angles work?
>>342893316
good idea, but what about attack maps?
>Mei can no longer headshot frozen enemies
?
>>342894093
Winston
>>342861691
the only thing i agree with is the Reaper thing, otherwise your a giant faggot
>>342868256
>>D.Va
>Move critbox to the rear of the MEKA, reduce speed penalty when firing.
this is funny because i was thinking about how much more sense this makes since my first instinct when im getting shot at as D.Va and my defense matrix is down is to turn around.
>>342861691
You've dedicated more time to making this buff/nerf list as awful as possible than anyone has to making a serious one
Reaper should reload during wraith form
>>342867609
> Straya
> Relevant
>>342884407
There is literally nothing you can do as Bastion to Genji. Even if you stop shooting he still will kill you because of lag compensation.
>>342886372
Yes and it's the worst part about it.
>>342861691
>Shields can be triggered when stunned and remove debuffs
>Shields no longer prevent debuffs if already active
Go fuck yourself. Using shields to block ults is hard as fuck and you should be rewarded for being quick enough to block them, especially saving a teammate. Don't dumb down my waifu.
