How to balance Overwatch
>Pharah
Slightly increase air time
Ammo count increased to 8 before reloading
>Reaper
Can cancel wraith mode early by pressing shift again
>Tracer
Max damage per round reduced from 6 to 4, drop off starts at 6 meters instead of 11
>Mei
Icicle damage reduced from 75 to 50.
Cryo-freeze no longer heals Mei and can no longer contest while frozen.
>Torbjorn
Increase ult charge time by 10%
Turret now has small delay when turning at an angle over 180 degrees
Turret range reduced from 40 to 25 meters
>D.Va
Damage drop off range extended to 10 meters.
Critbox size reduced by 50%
Current ultimate removed and replaced with temporary altfire mode that doubles DPS and enables pinpoint accuracy for its duration with no damage drop off.
>Winston
Add 100 armor.
Barrier health increased to 1500
Damage increased from 45 to 60.
>Zarya
Shields can be triggered when stunned and remove debuffs.
Shields no longer prevent debuffs if already active (Can cancel Reinhardt's stun if used after being hit, but will still be stunned if barrier is active when he ults)
>Lucio
Wallride now has a 4 second cooldown
Line of sight healing reduced to proximity healing within a 10 meter AOE
HPS increased to 20 to compensate
>Mercy
Ultimate charge time increased by 20%
>Symmetra
All Symmetra turrets now require two hits to kill from any weapon.
>Zenyatta
50HP replaced with 50 armor since robots can't be healthy
Orb of Discord now deals 5 damage per second to its target as long as it remains on them
>>342861691
Be able to kick your teammates from the game through majority vote.
>>342861691
Shit kid.
>>342861691
No one gives A FUCK about your imaginary balance changes
>>342861691
Seriously fucking kill yourself.
You're everything wrong with this community.
>>342861691
>making reaper more cancerous
>making zenyatta more shit
No Reaper would ever cancel their wraith mode early. They all use it as a panic button to get as far away as humanly possible.
He should, however, be forced to resort to picking up fallen souls and not health kits while in wraith form.
>>342861827
Also this.
>>342861827
nah that csgo cancer.
make some friends faggot.
>>342861691
Lol did I wreck you with mei or something? Wtf. You're taking away what makes her competitive. I've had games where I get rocked with mei - but those were players that knew what they were doing. This game is pretty well balanced as it is. Mcree still kinda pisses me off though.
>>342861691
>ammo no longer unlimited
>turrets no longer have unlimited ammo
>ammo drops placed on map
>all characters ults gain rate down 10%
Boom, solves most of the games problems without directly nerfing any particular hero
>Buffing Zarya
What is wrong with you people?
>>342861898
Thats a flat Zenyatta buff m8, discord deals damage as well as increases it and amour that regenerates like bastion etc.
>>342861691
>Buff
>My favorite heroes
>Nerf
>The heroes I have trouble against
erry time
>>342861691
I jumped straight to your Mei changes and noticed you say she needs to be nerfed.
This is the only sign someone needs to tell you are a massive pub shitter whose opinion should be discarded.
>>342861691
>>Symmetra
>All Symmetra turrets now require two hits to kill from any weapon.
That is dumb,
Symetra is fucked. She is a broken character who basically is just a walking teleporter source. Boring as fuck too.
>Turret now has small delay when turning at an angle over 180 degrees
I'm pretty sure this is already the case.
I also really don't feel Pharah needs a buff and I main her. But I'm also not comp level so idk.
>Orb of Discord now deals 5 damage per second to its target as long as it remains on them
This is silly as fuck and you know it.
>>342861691
>How to balance Overwatch
Character imbalance is the least of Overwatch's issues.
>>342862102
>>342862260
Not OP, but Mei's fucking terrible to play against OR with. I'm NOT saying she needs to be nerfed. Adjusted, and ultimately probably buffed, yes.
Most of those are pretty damn stupid, but I agree about the D.Va changes. Her ult is completely worthless.
>>342861691
>>342861691
>>Winston
>Add 100 armor.
>Barrier health increased to 1500
>Damage increased from 45 to 60.
Everything about this tells me you're fucking stupid. Hey guys remember when double winson flooded everything and it was bull shit? Well lets do that again but make it worst on everyone else.
>>342861691
Well now we can tell which characters you use and which ones beat your ass.
>>342861691
>Turret now has small delay when turning at an angle over 180 degrees
what did he mean by this?
>>342861691
>Cryo-freeze no longer heals Mei and can no longer contest while frozen.
Then what is the fucking point? I'd at least understand if you only said one of these things but if both, then it does literally nothing but stall fights for four seconds (which in a game with abilities on cooldown is a fucking terrible idea).
Regardless it's not even that OP in the first place. And her entire shtick is area control so stopping one of her best survival abilities from letting her contest would be dumb as shit.
>>342861691
Overwatch is going to be dead or on life support in a few years no matter what, such is the fate of a game with no single player.
>>342862538
Was gonna say this. Nigga wants to nerf the ability to the point where it might as well not exist.
>>342862538
Calm down dude. His entire post is retarded and would literally kill the game.
Game is already dead, no need to patch anything.
>>342861691
Terrible. Take a fucking lap.
>get stunned
>MAXIMUM CHARGE
really dumb idea
>>342861691
>buffing pharah and winston
>>342861946
>tfw working when everyone else is able to play
Shit sucks man. I end up playing with randoms more than I'm supposed to, but I'm used to it at this point.
>>342862620
You mean all those posts about the campaign mode for TF2 weren't just jokes?
Everything here is so terrible I assume this is bait, but literally kys for writing this:
>All Symmetra turrets now require two hits to kill from any weapon.
>Mei
no...
>D.Va
no
>winston
no
>zarya
no
>lucio
fuck no
>symettra
maybe, should cap health because a reaper shooting a turret twice sounds like bullshit
>zenyatta
>50 armor
already been over this, this saves you like .2 seconds from fire from a 76, would rather have it be something else if it's a buff
>discord dealing damage over time by simply pressing e
NO
>>342862517
that one isn't such a bad suggestion. A widowmaker is completely safe from flankers if she's standing by a turret.
>>342861691
>buffing Pharah
No
>Nerfing Tracer
No
>Nerfing Mei
No
>Nerfing Torbjorn
LOL no
>Buffing Winston that much
No
>Buffing Zarya
Fuck no
You are retarded kys
>>342861691
>1500 bubble shield Winston
Nigga how high can you physically be to think this is ok?
>>342862620
>Dota 2 has single player
>League has single player
>Hearthstone has single player
>Warcraft has single player
>csgo has single player
>All of these games are/were dead within a few years of being released
Lol, you're delusional as fuck.
>>342861691
>How to balance Overwatch
Uninstall wizard
>>342862691
LOL
O
L
>>342862931
>a widowmaker is safe if she stands near a protective turret
neet.
Whats the problem?
>>342861691
>All Symmetra turrets now require two hits to kill from any weapon.
Uh ok so Pharah has to shoot 2 rockets whereas for Tracer or 76 it's basically no change at all?
Also how would that apply to stuff like Zarya's laser or an enemy Symmetra?
Why not just give them more health?
Nigga what are you even thinking here?
>>342861691
How to start balancing the quality of threads on /v/
>OP
He kill himself
Logical nerf:
> Reaper can't pick up Health Packs in Wraith Form. He can still be healed by other characters and souls though.
>>342862931
But why would turret ever turn over 180 degrees at a time?
>don't think Mei is OP at all
>however I do think she's extremely anti-fun
How do we fix this?
>>342862983
The meta would literally be all Winstons and one Mercy/Zen (because Lucio now has no advantage over anyone)
>>342863181
Get good.
>zenyatta healing orbs heal people around them for just as much but they have to be tightly packed to the healing orb
>zenyatta can boost into the air if he full charges his right click and shoots down *Height is equal to that of wall climbing*
>>342863181
My best plan is to shun my friends that try to pick her, but even that isn't going so well. I think she's antifun for literally everyone but the player, who is having a blast.
>>342862138
Armor doesn't regenerate, that's shields.
Bastion specifically has a self-healing ability.
>>342862138
Armor doesn't regenerate you nigger, that's shields
>>342863181
Honestly she's only anti fun because of server tick rate. You can't escape her once she hits you because her time to freeze is lessened through latency.
>>342863169
>nerfing the most balanced hero in the fucking game
>>342863181
pretty much this. even worse: mei is slowing you down so their hanzo can hit you more easily
>>342863394
>>342863428
D.VA's amour regenerates like normal hp you nigger
>>342862286
How is that silly? Wouldn't it make sense for one orb to restore health while other removes health?
>>342863317
>everyone huddling around reinhardt
cozy
>>342862108
>make a totally different game
>There I fixed your game.
Brilliant
>>342863181Remove heror just remove either the heal or the invulnerability from the icicle
>>342863576
>armor
>hp
>regenerate
what the fuck are you trying to say
armor can be HEALED like hp, but it does not regenerate on its own
>>342863576
>Regenerates like normal hp
So you're saying it doesn't regenerate? Because, as you may or may not know, only shields can regenerate.
>>342863181
Make icewalls freeze all of those around it
It freezes mei if shes not ontop of it./it doesn't freeze if shes near it
Mei loses her left click
Her right click is moved to left and its instant
She now uses her walls offensively or for vertical movement, less team fuck ups and she now has a stronger team seperator.
>>342863181
>>342863675
the only fun thing about mei is when she's all alone hiding in her ice cube and your entire team is waiting to shit on her as she exits
>Max damage per round reduced from 6 to 4, drop off starts at 6 meters instead of 11
You already need to go in very close as Tracer to deal damage and now you've made her useless. Nice
>Wallride now has a 4 second cooldown
Great, Lucio is now even more useless and boring outside of KOTH
>Turret now has has small delay when turning at an angle over 180 degrees
What the fuck does this mean. You know if a turret had to turn 181 degrees in a certain direction it would turn 179 degrees the other way instead, like it does right now? Do you mean 90 degrees?
>All Symmetra turrets now require two hits to kill from any weapon.
Fucking retarded idea. Just give them 25 HP so they can survive a bit of splash. Also remove the cooldown timer on placement during setup time
>Orb of Discord now deals 5 damage per second to its target as long as it remains on them
Why? 50% damage increase is fine already. We don't need more DOT shit and I'm pretty sure the devs confirmed they'd not be adding more
>>342863394
>>342863428
Bad word choice by regenerate I meant can be healed.
The amour acts like hp and reduces damage making it a buff.
>>342861691
>Barrier health increased to 1500
Probably the most retarded suggestion out of the whole post, which is an amazing achievement in itself
>>342863812
You know good teams use mei's ice wall to reach unlikely locations and increase unpredictability. Freezing anyone around her wall would reduce this factor. Therefor this is stupid and so are you.
>>342863902
>Lucio bad outside koth
He's literally good in every team.
>>342863181
Make her move slower when she is firing her super soaker. Unlike the Pyro who chases with a stream weapon, the fact that it continuously slows her target does not mean she should have the same move speed.
>>342862108
> To balance overwatch you need to make it more like TF2
L M A O
>>342864021
It doesn't freeze team mates, you're retarded to think anyone would suggest that.
It's meant to keep mei from using it defensively and coerce her into using it offensively and seperate enemy teammates.
>>342863902
>Also remove the cooldown timer on placement during setup time
I'm a top 10 Symmetra, part of getting gud with Symmetra is knowing where to place early turrets that aren't on the front line, but will still be valuable and allow you to have 6 up before the setup timer ends.
It's a small detail but critically important to being a valuable Symmetra.
Guys fuck off of mei. She's my main and there's nothing wrong with her. If you can't kill her then the player is too good 4 u.
>>342863841
This only works when I get fucked by hanzo/genji/76/roadhog/reaper. 90% of the time I look around in 3rd person for an escape and throw up my wall to block dem niggas.
>>342864220
Do turrets not have unlimited ammo in TF2? I thought they did.
>>342861691
Everything about this is unbelievably wrong. It screams "I'm really bad at this game please help me" so much.
>>342861691
>>Mei
>Icicle damage reduced from 75 to 50.
>Cryo-freeze no longer heals Mei and can no longer contest while frozen.
Then why use Mei?
>>342864331
They do not.
>>342864461
Don't because its anti-fun
>>342861691
>All Symmetra turrets now require two hits to kill from any weapon.
Her turrets are for recon and light damage. If you expect to be racking up kills on high level play, you're doing it wrong.
>>342864461
This
her only saving grace is her ice wall and the right click.
>>342861691
These are shit and so are you. Get good.
>>342861691
>>Pharah
>Slightly increase air time
>Ammo count increased to 8 before reloading
NEW META
>>342861691
You are bad at this
Jesus what the fuck is this. You buffed every busted hero and nerfed the useless ones.
>Pharah
Currently the strongest offence hero in the meta and you want to make her even more dangerous? What.
The Reaper change isn't bad. Poor guy needs a little something.
>Mei
Mei isn't the best so nerfing her would make her even more useless. Her ability to disrupt with her shift is one of the only things she can really do against a good team.
>Torb
For consoles, maybe. Torb isn't a problem if your team knows how to focus.
>D.Va
As a tank, D.Va needs her ult to disrupt, not to go on a fucking killing spree. Even Roadhog, the least tanky tank with the least tanky ult, knocks people around when he ults.
>Winston
Buffing Winston?
BUFFING WINSTON?
YOU'RE GOING TO BUFF WINSTON?
ONE OF THE TOP 3 BEST HEROES IN THE GAME?
WHAAAT THEEEE FUUUUCK?
WHAAAAAAT THEEEEEEEE FUUUUUUUUUCK?
>Zarya
Uhhh she doesn't need either of those and having them in the game would be superfluous.
>Lucio
Why would you nerf healnigga? To make Mercy's heal more potent in comparison? I don't understand. Lucio is supposed to be slippery, that's 90% of his job.
Mercy one is debatable. I do think she gets ults way too fast but there must be a more intuitive change they can do instead of an arbitrary % increase in charge.
>Symmetra buff
Kek. Her turrets aren't what make her good, it's the shields and tele. Plus buffing a character with one of the highest winrates in the game isn't smart.
>Zenyatta
Zen is perfectly balanced in every way. You just need a co-ordinated team to play around you, like you need for Bastion.
I swear some of these people spend more time theorycrafting changes than learning how to actually play the game.
>Paying $40 for a F2P TF2 6s experience
Idk why I let my friends trick me into buying it
>>342864659
Pharah is already solidly in the meta. There is no reason to buff her.
>>342864461
I think getting rid of her ability to contest while in ice form would be fine. She has too many annoying but ultimately useless abilities, but that one is a bit egregious to game balance. Same goes for Zenyatta being able to do objectives while invuln.
>blizzard nerfs meis right click so it takes a second to activate
>blizzard in turn makes her left click freeze last 1.5 seconds so she can actually get the headshot out
>she naturally pisses the everloving fuck out of people she froze
Okay blizzard? Do you not see how this is a bad and retarded idea? Like you gave mccree the high burst damage for his short stun right? why the hell isn't mei the same then?
when you activate symettras ult you get a smaller ult meter,if you fill it up you regain a charge for your teleporter
Can we get some buffs/nerfs that actually make sense?
Reaper
>decrease time he stands still while teleporting
I don't even play reaper that but his teleport is only useful against shit teams or for getting out of spawn.
D.va
>change sfx of ult so you can actually tell hight/range of the explosion
>make it actually damage reinhardt's shield
It's so fun shutting down her ults as reinhardt by just holding down m2
Zenyatta
>make him move fast or increase his health
Just give him some way to escape from enemies
Tracer is perfectly balanced already
Not even joking
>>342864863
Payload and A/D aren't played in 6s at all. Only 5cp/koth, so it's already different. Plus, you're using minimum 6 different classes rather than 4 with offclassing for picks/last holds. TF2 is fundamentally different than Overwatch.
>>342864929
Dieing to mei by her head shot is for retards only.
Like all the people it insta gibs have an escape from it. The only one who doesn't is 76. and if a mei closed the gap on you git gud.
>Pharah
>Needing a buff
>>>/r/ /e/ /d/ /d/ /i/ /t/
haw 2 balenc
delets all hero's
only soldeir 69 lol
give more guns he can use
add killstreaks
>>342865391
>just like don't die to it bro git gud
>mei jumps down on you
>mei walks around a corner
>mei icewalls you off when you're in an enclosed space
And don't say "kill the mei first" if she wiffs you with the snow blower you can't aim.
And I'm litterally asking for a buff on her, Shits infuriating and shes still a shit hero.
People are still playing this game? Wow
Pharah doesn't need any buffs what the fuck? She's already the most balanced hero in the game. If she EVER were to get any buffs of any kind it should be to lower the CD of her skills by 1 sec, that's it.
>>342865758
It plays me ( ._.)
>>342864249
BABBIES FIRST FPS! HAHAHAAHAHAHASHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHFAGGOTHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAGOAHAHAHHAHAHAHAKILLHAHAHAHAHYOURSELF<HAHAHAH
>>342861691
>Pharah: Take her from being great to the best hero in the game
>Tracer: Make her the worst hero in the game
>Mei: Make her even worse
>Lucio: Nerf him into the fucking ground
>Winston: Make him immortal
Thank God you're not in charge of balancing.
>>342865709
Either you have a terrible mouse or you play on console
>>342865758
>game has over 10 million players
>people are still playing this game? Wow
Man shitposting has really reached a new low
>>342865758
No.
>>342861691
Lets get this shit started
>Gutting entire characters because you can't handle them
>People think Tracer is op
>People think Pharah needs buffs when she already decimates any squishy from range
>BUFFING DVA
>BUFFING ZARYA
>NERFING MERCY ULT
>NERFING ZENYATTA
>>342866015
>hes arguing against mei changes when he doesn't even know how meis slow works
>>342861691
>boku no nerf all heroes I don't like and buff those I like
>>342863154
sounds like he hates enemy junkrats tossing in a concussion mine and fucking up all the turrets at once.
Junkrat's fire rate is fucking ridiculous.
>>342864101
amazing to have during payload since the payload floats and he can draw LOS to those on the other side.
>>342866076
Argumentum ad populum.. McDonalds.. etc etc...
Millions of people play TF2 and Mobas, so if anything you just dissed the game. The only reason this game sold any copies was some very aggressive viral marketing.
>>342861691
>>342866464
You never talked about the game's quality, you just asked if people were still playing. Stop trying to act smart and fuck off.
>>342862620
Go back to your single player games you fucking autist. Maybe you can feel like you are good at something in a single play game.
>>342866635
Damn, that guy got bodied.
>>342864329
Most I can say for changing mei is adding a directional alert for her ult so you actually have a chance of getting away before being frozen.
>>342864461
I agree with not allowing her to contest while using it.
>>342866635
I'm sorry you bought Overwatch, it's too late for a refund.
>>342861691
>Wallride now has a 4 second cooldown
>He wants to debuff Mei, the shittiest character in the game
>He wants to buff Winston even more
>He wants to change Zarya for absolutely no reason
>He wants to make Mercy's ultimate more powerful
>He actually wants to buff orb of discord, the most insane ability of the entire game, even further
I fucking love these threads. They get more and more clueless by the day.
>>342866846
>being this mad that a game is selling well
I think it's time to stop arguing buddy
Put ults on cooldowns
The entire game is pretty much fixed now outside of character balance which will always be ongoing anyway
People want to nerf Mei not because she is OP, but because she is 100% pure unfun for everybody, including her own team.
>>342861691
>How to buff my favorite characters and nerf my most hated characters
>Wanting to buff/nerf based on how the top 0.01% of people play
This will always be idiotic to me, reminds me of Dirty Bomb when they nerfed Redeye's PDP despite the fact is was the least played character and 99% of people who played him were shit
>be australian
>try to play overwatch at 6am when every cunt is asleep
>get constantly put on american servers
>200 ping every match
matchmaking is the cancer that will kill overwatch
Guys what if...
Guys now hear me out
Guys
What if
What if
We take the orb of discord on zenyatta
Right guys
What if we take the orb
And made it reduce reinhardts shields effectiveness by the same amount it does his health %?
Right now rein doesn't give a shit if he puts his back to a zenyatta cause it doesn't affect his shields.
>>342867790
>Right now rein doesn't give a shit if he puts his back to a zenyatta cause it doesn't affect his shields.
Why are Mei players usually such insufferable meme spouting faggots? I don't think she's OP, just mildly annoying at times, but I notice that all the idiots who play her think they're EPIC TROLLS or something.
>>342867370
This. Let's get a longer cooldown on her ice wall. I'm so fucking sick of whittling the enemy's health down to critical condition just for the Mei on my team to put up a wall right in front of me before I can finish them off. I swear to god, this happens so often, especially when I'm playing as 76. Mei should be the only character who can take friendly fire damage just so you can turn around and blast her in the face when she pulls some bullshit like this. If I can't kill that singular Junkrat on the other side of your terribly place ice wall, at least let me kill the cunt who put it there.
FUCK.
>>342862620
Gtfo Angry Joe.
Name me one single player game that stays relevant that isn't Elder Scrolls
I am glad you aren't in charge of actually balancing overwatch
>>342861691
All of these suggestions are terrible. This is all you need:
>McCree
Restore FtH's damage, but remove reloading during dodge roll. Add range and iframes to dodge roll.
>D.Va
Move critbox to the rear of the MEKA, reduce speed penalty when firing.
>Mercy
Rezzed teammates start at 50% HP and quickly get to 100% while Mercy completes her ult animation.
Also this >>342861827.
>we're all soul jazz now
What did he mean by this?
>>342868256
>Rezzed teammates start at 50% HP and quickly get to 100% while Mercy completes her ult animation.
Aren't rezzed teammates invulnerable for a few seconds?
>>342861691
fuck off to /vg/ with this flavor of the month trash
>zenyatta can throw discord when hes charging his right click
>>342867790
I would actually love this change as it would actually give rein a little bit of a counter at the moment there's really no reason not to have a rein on every single team.
>>342868421
>Everyone is cumming on me
What did she mean by this?
>>342868424
Yeah, but after the rez animation they shouldn't have full health if Mercy dies while ulting.
>>342868720
Junk rat zarya pharah mccree etc all kill near instantly with their ults with no counterplay beyond hiding so why should she not have her current ult?
>>342868720
Oh then that's a pretty good idea anon.
Toobad all the nerfs are just blizzard tweaking damage numbers
>>342868650
What pisses me off is that reins only counter *when hes grouped with teammates* is a bastion.
Really wish there was something reliable/useful that also countered reinhardt pushes.
>>342868720
I think it'd be better to put a 5 second resurrection sickness debuff on the players she ults.
Have it cause them to deal less damage for a bit so the ult isn't just a flat counter to good plays by the enemy team.
>>342868901
>Junk rat pharah mccree etc all kill near instantly with their ults with no counterplay
>lists three of the most easilly counterplayed ults in the game
Anon, just shoot them. Like junkrats tire? just shoot it, pharah? just shoot it, mcree? yeah do whatever you feel like but don't forget to shoot it.
Mercy on the other hand,
>quick dash in to fallen allies
>press q
>no animation
>no problem
>>342861691
BLIZZARD HIRE THIS MAN
>>342869293
You clearly havent played mercy before at all, her ult does have an animation and it also stops both her and her allies who were revived from moving for a few seconds
>>342869219
Honestly I think it's fine that mercy counters ult plays. There Should be something that can counter a team whipe that is easy as fuck to setup.
Hell I think zenyattas ult should be more focussed on that, like give free walk when they are in zenyattas circle.
>>342869406
Yes there is an animation but the animation doesn't lead up to the ult. The ult is instantaneous regardless of her completing the animation.
>>342869494
She also counters other stuff, there's nothing more frustrating than pulling off a great flank, outplaying 3 people and then hearing that tart press her ult.
>>342861691
>making two shit characters beyond shit
>buffing 5 very viable characters
Impossible to be this stupid.
>>342869628
Yeah but there is ultimate satisfaction when you kill a mercy trying to wedge herself between her dead allies.
Then you hear that "heroes never die" when she rezes like 1 person.
>>342869035
Focused fire. Get that shield down.
>>342861691
Clearly a tank main. Nothing to see here. Just bad players being bad.
>>342869494
>There should be something that counters a wipe
I agree, but something that powerful shouldn't be instantaneous and brain-dead.
>>342865709
genji and pharah are literally the only offense heroes who cant kill mei in one second. While she has to spend a full two seconds minimum waggling her freeze stick on you.
>>342869838
Sure but like thats the entire team focussing something while the enemy team is free to shoot from behind it.
in fact it's silly how few people abuse reins shield or this game would be unplayable.
>>342861827
this.
and vot map
>>342861691
Nice bait
>>342869958
>shad
>>342869997
Most heroes don't do 250 health in 1 second.
they do just under it so heroes like mei or reaper can escape or kill them.
>>342869494
>Honestly I think it's fine that mercy counters ult plays.
But it should not be every single ultimate because her ULT gaining rate is out the roof
And she should not be able to pull it off from the safety of other room either
>>342869983
>Pressing Q as any dps hero
>Not brain dead
LMao
>buff zarya
easy way to detect shitters
>>342861691
>pharah buff
literally why
>buff reaper
Literally why
>huge tracer nerf
literally why
>mei changes
first thing that might not be completely retarded
>torbjorn nerf
Literally why
>DVA changed
2 okay ideas and a third full retard one.
>winston buff
Literally why
>zarya nerfs
fucking why? If anything she needs buffs to her ammo capacity.
>lucio changes
literally why
>mercy changes
>literally why
>symettra buffs
literally why
>massive zen buffs
dumb fucking ideas
>>342870093
His Alejandra comic is alright.
>>342870428
Most ults require a bare minimum of forethought before using them. If you have poor positioning, you can get shut down pretty easily. Not the case with Mercy's, because even in death it succeeds.
>>342861691
>nerf mei for literally no other reason than being shit at the game against her
>nerf the only thing that makes mercy even playable
>nerf everything and buff everything else
>>342869958
>shadbase
>>342870176
She really does gain her ult too fast. Its to the point where if you see a mercy, you better ALWAYS kill her first or she will ALWAYS just res whoever you kill instead.
>>342870637
>What is meis
>What is zarya
>What is tracer
>What is torbjorn
>What is dva
>What is symmetra
>>342861827
kick option is always a good idea, there is literally no valid arguement agaisnt it
>>342861691
>Winston Barrier to 1500
Hang yourself
"Change these heroes so I don't have to learn how to use them properly."
>>342870502
He wants to make a game where no one dies but everyone does damage. If his changes were implemented every game would end in a draw and everyone would have kdr of 0
Of all the things OP said, I do think Winston's shield could use a buff. It's bigger and spherical yes, but it seems to pop like a literal bubble.
I'd like his dps buffed too but I like being able to zap multiple people
>>342870747
>you better ALWAYS kill her first or she will ALWAYS just res whoever you kill instead.
...Right?
>>342861691
>how to turn my favorite characters into buffmonsters
i like winston too but no
Add dedicated servers, fix hitboxes, make it 60 ticks.
There, the game is already 70% less shit.
>>342870747
>you better ALWAYS kill her first
In theory thats what it should be done.
In practice, since she can do it behind walls, it mans fuck all in some cases, and once she presses Q, your team is fucked.
>>342870883
All counterable/avoidable and telegraphed pretty hard. While admittedly some are harder to deal with than others, a team revive should not be the easiest thing in the world to pull off.
>>342871627
I dont see how you avoid meis ult. If she drops it on you, you are frozen, period. Unless you have a built in escape, which half the heroes don't.
>>342871420
but that would take effort on blizzards part
>>342861691
Reaper shouldn't be able to pick up health packs when ghosting. If nobody can interact with him, then he shouldn't be able to interact with anything either
>>342871420
But Anon, consoles can't do that and we don't want to alienate the little shitters right?
>>342861691
>take tumblr, i grant you safe place: the hero and make her a male
>make Dva useful
>rework the dwarf's kit, force him to interact with his turret when it comes to killing someone (like, at least aim at the opponent's general direction)
>give robomonk a slight buff, he's too squishy
>mercy is way too ult reliant, adress it
>hanzos can now be removed by voting
>remove mei, hang frost mage players
>>342871759
>Half the heroes don't have escape options
True, but that's the point of counter-play. If you're facing a Mei, consider going Lucio or Zarya. Get out of the Blizzard and back up your boys.
>>342863181
My only complaint with Mei is that your aim also slows down when you're getting frozen.
I know the best balance
>kill people as reaper
>absorb their souls
>mercy can't revive them now
>>342861691
most of these ideas are terrible, and the ones that are good have already been suggested a million times.
Pharah is fine.
Reaper is fine.
This would utterly gut Tracer.
Heal is fine, the other changes are good but refer to initial comment.
Just increase acquisition time and no full heal to turret when ulting.
She's a tank, stop trying to turn her into something else. A reduction to critbox size is reasonable.
This would make Winston absolutely bananas.
Zarya is fine.
Anyone dumb enough to suggest nerfing the coolest and most enjoyable part of Lucio should not be making balance suggestions.
Yes, but again refer to initial comment.
Symmetra is fine.
Again, adding armor has been suggested to death. Orb is fine.
>>342861691
>the lucio wallriding nerf
i have not been this triggered in a while, i sure am glad you are not in a position to make any changes. fuck you
>>342863181
Dying is antifun
I dont get the complaints that she is anti fun, yeah she freezes you and puts a icicle between your dome and that's her gimmick, how is it any different from getting stun hammered by Mcree or flanked by Reaper, the only difference is that she does it slower and that's it
>>342870157
13 out of 20 heroes can do 250 damage in one second using just their normal attacks
your really only fucked against her freeze if you're by yourself playing genji or symmetra. even mei vs mei, it's technically a better matchup to use your icicle instead of freeze
>>342873037
Are you accounting for the fact that you can't aim if she slows you down? because mei vs mei and icicling is a horrible idea if she already started to freeze you
>Widowmaker
Infra-sight ends on death (or shortly after death)
>Reaper
Can't pick up health packs in Wraith form. Souls are ok.
pls buff zenny;~;
>>342861691
>Pharah
She's fine as is.
>Reaper
Yes please.
>Tracer
>Not her Blink
>Mei
No.
>Torb
Just the range Nerf and he's golden.
>D.VA
No.
>Winston
GODNO, ARE YOU LITERALLY A MONGOLOID?
>Zarya
Eh
>Lucio
Ew
>Mercy
Naa
>Symmetra
Yes please.
>Zen
2nd one is literally retarded, first one is passable.
Using your ult should consume the entire meter immediately. It's retarded that you can use it and die and still respawn with 75% of the meter.
>>342873756
I feel bad for your colon.
>>342873660
>Pharah
>Launch upward to get a good angle
>End up right in front of some shitty obstruction
>Ult because you were still rising and thought you'd be right under it
>Kill self and lose 50% of ult
>Instead lose 100% with your idea
No thanks, it's fine.
>>342861691
Fuck off, the game's balanced.
The only thing that **might** need a change is a small D.VA buff.
I think the balance is ok, the only thing I see wrong is that d.va is a bootleg winston, she doesn't offer anything over him.
I would sooner like to see ult-less gamemodes. Coordinate two ults that have synergy and you can bring the game to it's knees insanely fast, it feels like cheating.
>zenyattas ult gives team damage boost or speed boost
>completely negates all movement imparing effects or disables
>players have a larger visual notification telling them if they are in or out of the healing circle
From a scale of fixed to perfect how fixed is his ult?
>>342874089
Her ult is ridiculous if theres no cover nearby, people need to fuck off pretending that shes bad.
>>342874276
Can you give me an example of an area where there is no cover to run to immediately?
>>342872134
The enemy team is 6 people. Can't counterpick them all yourself.
>>342870919
With the kind of atrocious community that Overwatch has, this is a terrible idea
L4D2 is a perfect example for that
>>342874276
Her ult's literally a worse McCree with a longer wind-up.
>>342874486
Your team is also six people. Coordinate with them.
>>342874528
>L4D2 is a perfect example for that
Came just to say this
I want to marry D.Va!
>>342874031
How bad do you have to be to kill yourself with your own ult?
>>342874541
No you can't even compare mcrees ult to hers, he can actually setup kills with it and if he wants can kill squishies immediately.
If D.va had something that let her ult setup more if the enemy team didn't know it's location then it would probably be decent, or hell make the detonation take like 10 seconds and every second spent near it deals moderate damage. Now it's an actual point clearer.
>>342861827
Sounds like a good idea until you realize the majority of players are retarded.
can't have more than two of the same characters in one team.
So tired of fighting teams of 3 torjbörn and entering turretmania
>>342864779
Congrats on spending 5 minutes of your life replying to a complete shitter, lel.
>>342861691
>how to not play a shitgame:
uninstall overwatch
easy huh?
>>342872979
>Her main attack slows you down, nerfs you movement skills that would move you away from her and slows your aim
>Once Frozen Mei players will go for the headshot with the icicle because they need a hour to aim
>Barriers will fuck you up
>Being in her team will not stop the barriers from fucking you up either
>Her safe space makes her invulnerable, heals her and she still count for capture
>Hanzo players love her because slowing down allow them to headshot easier
Yeah, i don't know why people think she is anti-fun, like at all
>>342861827
>4 friends queue together and bully the other two constantly and then kicking them right before the game ends
No. The ONLY way this would work is if a premade counted as one vote
>>342873224
the only reason you wouldn't be able to aim is if you rely on wasd to aim instead of your mouse.
yeah i wouldnt recommend icicling mei but it's technically a win on paper. my point is though, all but a handful of heroes can kill her in the time it takes to freeze you, even when factoring in average human reaction time (0.25s)
The Pharah buff makes her completely broken. Stop missing your shots.
Imagine a TF2 soldier with 8 rockets and no need to rocket jump to fly.
>>342876205
>the only reason you wouldn't be able to aim is if you rely on wasd to aim instead of your mouse.
She slows your turn speed anon. please know the hero before you talk about her.
>>342875936
>List all abilities and attributes of a character
>ANTI FUN
go back to league, you can say this about any hero in the game
>>342876449
>lists abilities that are designed to be anti fun
ftfy
>>342861898
Armour reduces damage taken, it's a buff you mongo
>>342876448
the mouse slow only comes into effect after 0.5s
Pharah needs a small nerf to her dmg. She's way too safe for what she brings to the table.
Zenyatta needs either 150 shields OR 50 armor and 100 shields.
Zarya needs a real nerf though nobody seems to notice how stupidly strong she is.
Everyone else is fine.
>>342861691
>nerfing the two worst characters
>buffing one of the best ones
>making Lucio boring
kill yourself.
>>342876761
Like I said, dying and losing is antifun, by your logic anyone who deals damage should not because it ruins your experience
>>342877080
So within a half a second you have to deal 250 damage, and accounting for latancy that's about .3 seconds.
>>342877093
Go up against a team that can look up and tell me she's safe.
>>342877358
How about stop going on solo missions?
Mei can do nothing to more then 1 person at a time without her ult and any well connected team makes it that she can literally do nothing against you
Mei is designed to kill people who are out of position, you SHOULD feel bad after dying to her, it was your fault
>>342877663
>well stop playing bad
Coolioso anon, sept for all the heroes that were designed to be flankers or she caught in a corner with her ice wall or just ambushed all together.
>>342863902
>>342866886
>>342872964
>There are people who defend the manlet shit's obnoxiously overpowered mobility and healing
Seriously? Every other mobility skill in the game has a cooldown of some sort. Lucio needs to be gutted just so other supports even have a reason to be picked.
>>342878317
All the heros designed to be flankers have mobility skills, unless Reaper, who should always shit on Mei because he can wraith out of the process of getting frozen
Have you ever thought that maybe you shouldn't fight the anti-flanker hero as a flanker and should use your mobility to get away from her?
>>342877358
your aim only really goes to shit in the last 0.5s, so you have 1.5s to do 250 damage. factor in latency (0.16s) & reaction time (0.25s) and you have 1.1s to shoot away. once we've factored ALL this in, 11 heroes can kill her if you have can aim and have average reflexes.
latency = 1st client ping + 2nd client ping + ( server tickrate * 2) + monitor fps
latency = 25 ms + 25 ms + (50 ms * 2) + 10 ms = 160 ms
>>342878332
>Every other mobility skill in the game has a cooldown of some sort.
>it's not fair mom!
Seriously, choke holding mobility abilities is the dumbest shit ever. It is the gayest form of balance and removes all fun.
>>342878618
>mei icewalls them when they try to escape
It's like you've never played against a good mei.
Unless your out in the open *which mei normally isn't* you're trapped.
>>342878774
>t. lucio main
>>342878667
But it starts going down immediately which is extremely disorientating as it is, along with your movement speed.
Even McRee's bullshit isn't as bad because you stop for one moment but when you snap out of it, you've got all your faculties.
>>342878965
GO THE OTHER WAY RETARD
>>342878975
Nah I can't handle his gun so I never play him I usually play zenyatta or mercy.
>>342879058
Into her as you waste time, get out of wraith form quicker so she can freeze you all over again with no way of getting out this time? Great.
>>342879058
>go towards the mei
>go towards Mei's team
genius anon
>>342879058
>try to go the other way
>retarded eskimo is already freezing you
>>342879193
Reaper into Mei is a skill matchup, if you can't kill her before she kills you, she's flat out better then you
Keep bringing the excuses I could do this all day
>>342879028
>Even McRee's bullshit isn't as bad because you stop for one moment
That, and the stun only lasts .7 seconds. without including the slow meis freeze lasts 1.5 seconds.
Now imagine that time you spend trying to get out of the freeze compiled on that
>Buffing Pharah
But Pharah is already strong as fuck.
>>342879371
>mei zones reaper with headshots
>mei freezes him when she ambushes him
>if reaper misses hes in fucked town because she can iceblock and then fuck him up
I really never got the reaper counters mei thing. Unless he gets the immediate drop hes royally fucked.
>>342879235
If you are playing a flanker you should be going into the enemy team, that's the whole reason you are in this mess right? because you are playing a flanker, otherwise, why are you alone?
>>342879351
What is mobility?
>>342879371
>muh mei isn't op ur just not good
like clockwork
Mercy's ultimate needs to be changed. Reviving through walls? C'mon
>>342879649
>reaper gets slowed by mei
>wraiths towards the enemy team
>little did they know this is exactly what I wanted, I AM MORE POWERFUL WHEN THERE ARE ENEMIES NEAR ME
>>342879598
I never said that Reaper counters her, I said it's down to skill
>>342861691
Almost all of these are completely retarded lol.
>>342872979
Mei is annoying because she turns into an ice cube whenever she's threatened. By herself, she's worthless, which is why most Mei players just run around and be assholes when fighting over objective. She's mostly just a distraction that stops you from dealing with important targets and wastes your time. If you ignore her, however, you die.
Mei's entire gameplay design is flawed, as she doesn't do much for the team that Winston doesn't already do better. Solution: Get rid of ice cube, and replace it with some something else. Ice cube enables Mei's current "I'm just gonna run around and be an annoying bitch" playstyle, instead of having her "I'm gonna protect the team from flanks and assasins" that she was more likely intended to have. To enforce the fact she's supposed to stop people from sneaking up on the team, give her some sort of mine that slows enemies who run into it, but doesn't do any damage. This allows Mei to catch up to characters like Tracer or Winston, and gives her time to eliminate them as a threat.
We don't have any character that fills this role right now, which is why you see so many Winstons. We need a "deal with initiators, distractions, and sneak attacks" character, and Mei, if fixed, could be that character. But for right now, all she does is get assists by running around like a dumbass, and then healing herself.
>>342879649
>What is mobility?
I don't know, what is it? As soon as Mei's freezeray touches you, you can wave bye bye to any you ever had.
>>342879879
it's actually a general consensus sort of thing that reaper counters mei.
