overwatch matchmaking forced 50
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How a good matchmaking system works: As you win you get placed with and against more skilled players, creating fun and exciting games.
How Overwatch matchaking works: The more you win, the more retarded teammates you get. The game will put you into games with people who have lost many games and task you with carrying them. This goes on until you have gone on a long enough losing streak to put you closer to a 50% winrate.
How in the actual fuck is this allowed?
>>342797251
ranked is literally in less than a month
shut up
>>342797251
is this the new meme thats replacing 20hz meme?
>>342797352
I thought it was supposed to be released by the end of June.
>>342797251
Please read this and kindly fuck off:
http://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20745504371
>>342797251
You have no proof this is how it works in Overwatch.
>join game
>DEFEAT
happened to me at least 10 times now lel
I bet people are leaving before the match is over to avoid the loss added to their profile
>>342797251
You're describing ranked you moron, comes out soon as well. Till then play with a full team and your experience will improve.
>>342797251
This is why you play with friends you stupid nigger.
>>342799778
Unranked has this system too though
>>342797587
>replacing
People have been saying it forever, it's the same matchmaking as HOTS aka complete shit
>>342797251
>As you win you get placed with and against more skilled players, creating fun and exciting games.
>More skilled players kick your shit in, you lose, winrate levels at 50% indicating you're always evenly matched
Sounds like everything is working as expected senpai
>People with 50% winrates makehuge assertions instead of accepting they arent as good as they think they are
Hurr Im not bad, its that Overwatch has a comple system designed to find bad players and put them in my team!
>>342800195
Its really not fun to have to have my shit kicked in. I rather it be completely random
>>342797251
Truth. The sad truth is that elo cannot exist in games with more than two players so a bullshit matchmaking/fixing system must be created
>>342800352
someone has to lose, it just so happens that you only remember the times YOU lost
doesnt winning 50% of the time mean you're playing at your skill level? i dont play this game but i can't help but think if there was a 50% winrate in any other game /v/ wouldnt care but because of "Le Blizzard sux xd blizshills btfoooo" they just constantly shit on this one
>>342801123
A lot of people probably agree with that statement but then get salty anyway cause they think they deserve a higher winrate. That they're better than 50% of the player base and its just everyone else dragging them down.
>>342801123
You're right and nah man it happens in every game. Dota, League, Smite... Anything really
Whats the name for this? Selection bias? But it happens all the time
>>342800891
I would not be nearly as flustered if it wasn't predetermined by matchmaking. Ever since I realized the 50% thing is real its become frustrating.
>>342797251
hey man
i won around 12 games last night, 6 or so were a streak i think
sorry that you suck at the game, 600+ games and i have never felt like i was put in a game to carry retards against people with higher mmr
the logic of that is just retarded too, because by saying that you are admitting that the system also sometimes puts you against people much shittier than you, so you didnt really deserve the wins you did get anyway.
haha
shitter
>everyone wins almost exactly 50% of the time (except for the actual top tier players but shh)
>this proves the matchmaking sucks
>>342801669
well dude, if it was random the "MATCHMAKING GAVE ME A TEAM OF RETARDS" complaints would actually be true
matching people of similar skill is something pretty much every game with a matchmaking system does. the 50% is just a result of that plus the fact that most people are, well, average at the game.
just try to enjoy the vidyagame man. look at every loss as a chance to improve
>>342797352
You think ranked is going to fix this.
It's just going to give you a number to get angry about while your team mates afk while on facebook.
>>342801909
>these 8 guys are not effected by the forced winrate therefore it's not a flaw, remember Blizzard can do no wrong!
Every time.
Ill look for it as a chance to improve when I dont get 2 hanzos and a torbjorn on attack or something similarly dumb whenever im at or above 54% win loss
People keep saying that it puts you with people in the same skill level. That's horseshit.
1)There are very few games that aren't completely one sided.
2)if you win a couple of matches, you can be damn sure your about to get your shit kicked in.
I have NEVER seen a game that so blatantly forces you into a near 50% winrate like this. They either stock the odds in your favor with a good team, or give you retarded shitheads that don't know they're playing a team game.
Its still fun though, but if its like this in ranked, Im gonna be so fucking pissed I put $40 into the game
>>342801946
>the 50% is just a result of that plus the fact that most people are, well, average at the game.
That's not how percentages work.
>>342801946
Jesus Christ how do you retards not realize how forced 50 works? If you win some you get put with literal bottom of the barrel trash players on your team. If you lose some you get really good people on your team. Unless you play with a full pre-made group there is zero way of getting around the forced 50.
This is not good matchmaking, it's rigged matchmaking to make terrible players feel better so they buy more loot crates.
>>342799825
Why is /pol/ invading /v/? Why Does everyone just ignore this racism?
>>342799714
god damn that pisses me off
>those people that unironically go "well then carry every single game on your own if you're so good :^)"
You don't have to be a fucking master of gaming to not be put with 4 hanzos.
>>342802182
If it were a forced 50% winrate, they'd put those "8 guys" on teams with 0.0001 MMR Hanzos and force them back down. Hence the word "forced", you fucking idiot.
>>342802275
but how can blizzard ever know who is really good and who is bottom of the barrel if EVERYONE is forced to 50
like you claim
haha
hahahah cucks
>>342799714
>Free EXP for doing nothing
What's the problem here?
>oh no my W/R ratio that literally no one cares about!
>>342802417
Well maybe they do put them with complete shitters but they are good enough to carry them?
>>342801946
Halo, despite for some reaso being shit on here, has great matchmaking. I have a 70% winrate and most of the matches I play are very well balanced. If you are at a 50% winrate constantly, it means that the game is rigging who you play with in a way to get you there.
>>342802275
>terrible players feel better so they buy more loot crates.
pretty much this. I knew the game was casual, but this is fucking garbage
Forced 54% is more like it
>>342797587
it's not a new meme. it's been parroted by shitters in every online game ever with a matchmaking system
>>342802307
How new are you faggot
>>342802460
>Winrate is the only thing they measure
literally what the fuck is wrong with you.
>>342802307
Shut up nig nog
>>342802460
They don't need to?
>>342802485
Oh you will care about your W/R ratio in ranked because otherwise the game will force you to play with and/or against complete retards, making every round a onesided steamroll.
>>342797251
This is like what DOTA 2 did. It even went so far as to mix in people from other regions like Russians just to hinder you.
>In a match
>Team-mates don't group up and instead just run in 1 by 1 and die
>I have to teach people how to play the game every single match
When will this stop? I'm basically unable to play a support class because if I don't carry my team we just lose.
>>342802534
:^(
t. mg2 on csgo
>>342802647
NOOO IT'S NOT TRUE EVERYBODY COMPLAINING IS JUST A SHITTER M-MUH BLIZZARD
>>342802594
>>342802602
>>>/pol/ is that way
>>342802269
its not about the percentage, its just that most people have very similar skill levels, leading to the 50% winrates.
>>342802275
>win game
>MM thinks you're getting better
>puts you and other people who it also thinks are getting better against a team of more skilled players
>lose game
>MM thinks you arent so hot
>puts you against people who aren't as good
>you win
>>342802514
winning most of the time is the definition of not balanced. the thing is, winning feels good so you're OK with the matchmaking
>>342802606
You can't get back-filled into a ranked game.
>>342802736
you didn't answer my question you faggot. how new are you?
>>342799714
I thought the match doesn't count if you join an already losing team and if they win the round then it does count
>>342797765
They devs literally stated that's how it works. I have a pic of the Blue post on my computer but I'm in bed on phone atm
>>342802691
>play game with randoms
>tell them overchat to stick together
>They listen and we steamroll the enemy because we play in unison
>next match they all forget and they go in 1 by 1 and die
What the fuck. can these people not retain information for more than 10 minutes
>>342802701
t. 1.5 k/d NOGF
>>342802801
Wait, doesn't that mean if someone from your team leaves for whatever reason then all other 5 players are pretty much fucked?
>>342797745
>nobody read it
I usually completely stomp the enemy team or I get completely stomped.
I feel as though I'm not being matched with my skill level at all.
Games are never even or close. It's always a stomp either side.
I'm level 73 btw
>that forced 50%
>>342802950
You got to be one gullible retard to believe anything that's posted officially by Blizzard or on Blizzard owned sites.
>>342802790
Holy shit you people are so stupid. You're not at 50% because you're playing with similarly skilled people. Its at 50% because blizz wants it to be. You will literally get level 10s and 20s on your team and go against people over level 100 if you've won a couple matches and vice versa. Its rigged. Its not about similar skill at all.
>>342797251
i dont get why people pick snipers when some of the best heroes in the game have massive aoe and are very mobile
>>342803003
But that's exactly how the forced 50% thing is supposed to work.
>>342802810
/v/ was never this racist before the whole Trump thing. Get off my /v/ please.
>>342802606
>hurr durr solo queuing in a team game
Why do you care about your rank or performance if it hinges on how well others perform? The meta in this game isn't just "i can shoot better than them lols" but you need to be able to coordinate and operate as a team. Anyone who can do this has friends and can make a team...
I didn't believe it, but after getting a nice winstreak, I've gotten an equally bad losestreak. It's yet to end, but my w/l ratio is almost back to 50%.
I don't want to believe in a forced 50, but fuck it all if it's my luck.
>The more you win, the more retarded teammates you get. The game will put you into games with people who have lost many games and task you with carrying them.
You were that teammate. You got carried. The rest of your team did go on to play better people, and you got put with your people. It is allowed because of you.
>>342803121
You literally got here 2 months ago. /v/ has always used racial slurs. Its not even about being a racist or a bigot or whatever Tumblr buzzword of the month you want to use.
>>342802790
The game goes out of its way to put you with shitters if your doing too good. forced 50% doesn't make the game balanced, especially if its about putting you in situations where you either WILL win, or WILL NOT win
Forced 50% is an inherent quality of matchmaking and of math in general
Also im 600 games in and at 63% WR, git gud
>>342797745
>>342797745
>Player MMR vs the Opposing Teams Average MMR
This is literally the worst system and is the exact cause that forces retards into games with good players. This is exactly what forced 50% is.
>>342802790
No.
>win game with decent players of similar skill levels against those of similar skill levels
>MM thinks you're getting better and places you in a game with people of similar skill levels
>lose game
>MM thinks you arent so hot so loses its shit and decides to put your higher skilled group into a group of idiots against another group that is larger than yours but of similar skill level
>sum total anyone outsaide of your group sucks dog dicks and you and your queued group are forced to carry idiots against the team that is like yours, but bigger and more capable of playing with coordination
>you lose again because of a system that cannot match groups of similar skill levels and fills in blank spots with random jack offs
That is the problem, not getting bad groups in randoms as a solo. It's that a group of three people always has two randoms of low skill against 5 and 6 man teams of semi-competent players. You have to fill a full 6 person team or you are guaranteed losses that could otherwise have been 50/50 matches purely measured on skill.
>>342802942
Yes, that's why they're looking at season-long bans for leavers.
>>342803239
Racism is unacceptable in any form on this board. Most people here aren't racist white faggots like you
>>342803273
Post proof or fuck off.
If you're being matched up with people equal to your skill level, wouldn't the winrate be around 50%?
>>342803113
Are you acting like forced 50% is a good thing? holy fuck I need a minute to process this physically disgusting act
>>342797251
>Start playing OW with 2 other friends. Get matched with a bunch of extremely low leveled and obviously new players. Crush them. Rub out 2 games with this mix of people before it pulls us out to rematch us. Suddenly we're put up against fucking Seal Team 6 and are utterly destroyed.
GG no re.
>>342803349
>the matchmaker does not put me in a place where i will win all my games all the time
>its a shit system
>>342803391
Fuck off
>>342803031
Level means time spent playing, not skill. That level 2 player could be a Quake CPMA veteran, or a top rated player from the beta who just got around to buying the game
>>342803364
groups of three get three idiot randoms usually sorry my mistake
also outside*
>>342803391
>RACISM IS BAD
>WONT BE TOLERATED
>BUT I CAN CALL YOU A """""FAGGOT""""" ALL I WANT!
Kek fuck off back to Tumblr or Facebook new friend.
>>342803391
>faggots
I got a 3 day boot from /biz/ for this one not long ago. Wish I had a screencap but the "reason" was
>Learn a different insult
>>342797251
match making isn't fun period. if I don't like losing, I want to be able to find a server thats a right fit for my skill level and play for several hours there. not hopping from rando to rando probably getting shit on the entire time with only one good game in the bunch
>>342803492
>The matchmaker puts me in situation where you literally cannot win, or literally cannot NOT win the game
>Its not a shit system
>>342803521
Time is correlated with skill level for the most part even if it is not always true. It is important to remember that shootin game expurts still have to get used to mechanics are new strategies when they move to a new game.
>>342803492
>Missing the point
I'm a 61% winrate because I play with 6, it's a shitty system regardless faggot.
>>342803521
More time spent also means more familiarity with the game mechanics, characters and maps though. Giving them an inherent advantage to someone that is brand new to the game. Being good in one game doesn't always translate immediately into another. He could be a """"""""""pro"""""""""" in one game but be shit in another for a while.
>>342803364
Stomps still happen in 6-man groups, frienderino. It's exactly the fucking same.
>>342803543
Fuck off back to stormfront you racist asshole. Don't you have a klan rally to attend?
>>342797251
>matchmaking
>ever good
i remember a halo 3 match where i went 43-3. matchmaking is broken as fuck
>/v/'s face when OW becomes an unplayable tryhardfest
>>342797251
It works based off mmr. If you have ever played ranked in a moba you would know IT DOES NOT WORK LIKE THIS fuk off with da b8.
>>342797587
>new meme
>meme in general
forced 50 has been a thing since League of Legends and possibly even earlier. It was even a thing in a way with TF2 with the "team scramble"
>>342797251
Don;t you guys have general in vg. Please fuck off to that thread.
>>342803031
Overwatch MMR has nothing to do with level. I mean sure, you'll see more high levels with high MMR, but the system doesn't factor level in at all.
>>342803739
I know; I'm saying the only way to even combat it in a primary sense is to field a 6 man team from the start to remove the randoms who will inevitably shit on your planning. It isn't a 100% reversal of the damn system; if anything it proves how shit the system can be. Win a few times--- then look, the system just paired you with pro tier 6-mans who have way above average win rates due to skill, but who are way above your teams skill level still, thus bumping you down again.
>great team comp, excellent coordination, great teamfights
>win two rounds playing with the same people
>kicks everyone out and places me into a "better" match
>instalock Hanzo, Widowmaker, Reaper, Bastion
>on offense
>get destroyed and can't even get the first point because literally bumbling babies on my team playing with their fat feet
Yeah this sure is fair!
who /54% win rate since day one/ here
this is what 20 years of shootan gets me
>>342803804
this is me
>"casual" game
>all the casual shitters like to pretend they're MLG pro and shit on anyone who doesn't while the actual good players stick together and steamroll pubs
>>342803804
I just want dedicated servers like TF2 so I can play with /a/ and /v/ and just fuck around for 100s of hours.
>>342803980
If you can't carry your entire team your a bad player
Jeff Kaplan: "Winning is fun"
Sums up the entire match-making system.
Shitty players (normies) aren't going to keep playing the game if they just constantly lose.
There are 7 million people playing the game, the vast, vast majority of them are going to be awful at it.
>>342802275
do you not realize that this is how every game's matchmaking works? they calculate everyone's skill level, and match the teams so that the total skill level of each team is equal. csgo does this, so does league. they all do it. we don't have the luxury of being on an irl team, with tryouts and training. your team changes every game, and you have to be stuck with players that are worse than you.
i'm just saying this because you are acting like this is something that is exclusive to blizzard.
>>342804075
>other games do it so it's okay if this does too even if it's an inherently flawed and garbage way of dealing with matchmaking
Fuck off idiot.
>>342803426
Yes. The "problem" is literally that matchmaking works.
>>342802219
>if its like this in ranked, Im gonna be so fucking pissed I put $40 into the game
Betabros said it is
>>342804075
Overwatch isn't based on overall skill.
If you do good for awhile, your about to get you ass raped. and viceversa. I don't think its possible to win more than 4 or lose more than 6 games in a row solo with randoms.
>>342804042
Dedicated servers are never happening for a console game.
>>342803003
Im 71 and most of my games go into overtime. Like, its uncommon for my games to be super one-sided.
Im guessing youre on NA? I hear NA is ez mode tho so
>>342804058
This was stale bait 20 years ago.
>>342804276
several CoDs have done it, friendo
>>342803804
/vg/ is trying to make that, but it will never happen unless Blizzard allows for private communities to play more or less exclusively within themselves.
>>342804064
Jeff's tirade was more closely summarized by "you shouldn't expect to win so much"
Which is code for "shut up, sit down, and accept forced 50"
>>342803707
I get what youre saying but the thing is, most people plateau really quickly once they reach a basic level of competence. At that point you only get better if you either have the instincts/talent or make a focused effort to improve. Very few people have it or are willing to put the work in.
>>342804276
I am very much aware, which is disappointing because it's probably going to ultimately kill most of the long-term playerbase. Competitive will help for a few months, but that's it.
>>342804206
Dunning-kruger in full effect 90% of the time
>>342799714
>join game
>payload inches from being stuck up our ass
>lock bastion
>hold shit down for 5 minutes
>we win
Shows that the leavers are the true shitters.
>>342804064
>Shitty players (normies) aren't going to keep playing the game if they just constantly lose
They are if they're set up against each other. I just want a matchmaking system like SC2 where I'm placed against those of roughly equal skill.
>>342803391
>Racism is unacceptable in any form on this board
Top quality bait.
This game makes me look forward to CoD:IW and BF1. fuck
The cancer is P2P/Automatic-only matchmaking.
Dedicated servers were perfectly fine until COD fucked everything up.
So what if there's team imbalances here and there? Servers give a sense of community and home.
>>342804539
Didn't you already get enough of the same with BF3/4/Hardline? 1 is just the same shit with a different skin and almost zero historical accuracy.
>>342804674
CoD4 and WaW had dedicated servers though. They didn't start the meme that ended widespread support for them faggot.
>>342804276
It might. The game is a PC game, and some balancing patches are going to consoles and not hte PC version because it doesn't affect M+KB
mfw i didn't fall for the 'forced 50%' meme
>>342804674
Pretty much this. I wonder how many people would have played TF2 if it was matchmaking only. Everyone realized it was a casual fun game so everyone treated it like that, as opposed to Overwatch which is also a casual game and everyone treats it as a super competitive serious game.
>>342804817
CoD4 came out almost a fucking decade ago. After that, it solidified the P2P meme that effectively destroyed multiplayer FPS communities.
>>342804865
>only playing with a 6 man premade
>>342804075
Their metrics are not even judging skill. This game routinely gives PotG to terribly bad plays; it rewards stupidity oftentimes, like giving gold medals for kills but the team it comes from didn't even bother winning or capping. I always get gold medal on objective time. The game is objective-based. Skill should be based purely on "did you win?" and not "did you ignore the objectives and get kills?" I don't see any competitive stream yet where people failed to 6 man push, overtime, cap objectives, use their roles correctly etc. You are forced into the mud with retards who will wander the map without getting on the point.
>>342804259
This is exactly how it seems. The game will force you into situations where it doesn't seem capable of clearly judging your skill and therefore kicks you around from one bad match-up to the next.
>>342804446
My group practices constantly and has improved generally. We have coordination and skill. It is not a matter of us being so very bad--- we don't even complain about our opponents. If anything we are often going up against similarly skilled people in small groups, but the whole of both teams should be judged and when you are two higher ranked players with rank 1 and rank 7 people in there with a rank 89... it is something else. The other teams have this too. Low and high ranks mixed and usually a group of friends with randoms. I want to give rank 1 people the benefit of the doubt, but I really doubt they are MLG grade players.
>>342804975
I blame LoL
>>342804980
but i mostly solo queue
>>342797251
Name a single team game that doesn't have 50% winrate
>>342804259
>>342804994
It's communism
No fun allowed for good players because a casual player sucks shit at the game
>>342797251
That 50% win rate is you hitting your ceiling. Get better or deal with it.
And yes, potentially assembling/joining a team is part of getting better.
>>342804968
2007 was a simpler time anon... esports wasnt even a word
>>342805134
Do people like this actually exist? This has to be false flagging at this point. Nobody can be this stupid.
I didn't pay attention to the PTR, does competitive fix forced 50 since it deals with visible MMR with ranks?
>>342803364
This. 90% of the games I play with my 6 stack of friends we win purely because we communicate on VOIP / swap to counter specific heroes
The thing is its not even that difficult. Outside of a fighting game / RTS, im thoroughly convinced theres no means to actually measure MMR rating since the statistical deviation is just so massive
Look at DOTA. How in the fuck are you going to get at worst 5 different nationalities to communicate effectively? Compare that to even 3 people who speak the same language / understand one another on one team vs a team of rando pubbies. Who the fuck do you think will win?
>>342805150
Sure it was anon there was always MLG shit.
>>342805067
the 50% win rate is not an organic product of match making matching you with people based on skill it is a match making system designed to force artificially a 50% win rate because they couldn't be assed to properly make a metric that judges the abstract idea of what skill is
instead of trying to draw from what metrics they have for skill it just takes your losses as an incentive to reward you with higher skilled players on your team and takes wins as an excuse to dump shitters on your team. the net product is that you lose with won, win if you lost.
>>342805208
People that are upset they can't overcome an obstacle? I guess.
>>342803734
this desu senpai im supreme in CSGO but utter shit in OW simply because I got the game 4 days ago
then again I never play soldier / widowmaker so theres that
>>342805367
I think Heroes of The Storm uses the same metric as Overwatch does.
>>342797251
Typical bad player that likes to blame the others for his own shit...
If you were so good, you'd carry every game. So shut the fuck up ans stop whining
>>342805573
>carrying in a team based game
>>342805573
Come on anon I can't even give you 1 point for that tired bait.
0/10 - see me after class
>>342803995
that trigger fucking discipline
HHHHHHHHHSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
>>342805573
i love seeing this dumb shit over and over.
its not like anybody here plays other games, mobas or csgo, competitively and never has these issues
its not a real problem you just need to "get gud"
retard 0/10 babbys first blizzard youtube shill troll
>>342804994
PoTg is just who got the most kills in the shortest amount of time, with some special scenarios coded in, like interrupting an ult or saving someone, that kind of stuff. It can be better, but it will never be as good as a human is at judging this
kind of stuff
Blizzard is using peoples beta mmr in the live game anon, thats why you get the odd level 3 against prestige players
Comp mode will make all this stuff more obvious
>>342805814
>Blizzard is using peoples beta mmr in the live game anon, thats why you get the odd level 3 against prestige players
what the fuck im reading
>>342805752
>its not like anybody here plays other games, mobas or csgo, competitively and never has these issues
Actually, this argument consistently pops up in other games. Seriously. You can type in "(game) 50% matchmaking" and you get forum threads about it from shitters.
The real problem is people hate discovering they are mediocre to shit and would rather bitch to some random forum rather then attempt to overcome it.
>>342805668
Yeah, because carry a solo game makes all the sense
>>342797251
>I am a retard and I have to blame all my losses on my teamrates and pretend there is a forced 50 winrate
No wonder Blizzard doesn't take the consumer's criticism serious when there are so many retards like you.
why arent you guys playing ranked on PTR?
im sure people will bitch about their rank like in every other single game but the truth is the better you are, the higher your rank (like in every other game)
so we can agree ''forced 50%'' is a weak argument brought by shitters to defend their incompetence?
>>342805997
if you played the beta your rating is carried over, it doesnt treat you as a brand new player
>forced 50
>most of the people with the most games played are above 50%
?????????
>>342806209
The PTR means nothing for the main game. Waste of time.
>>342806256
Yes. Every MM game gets people bitching about it at some point.
>Play with a group of 6
>The game can only force 50 you by putting you against better people, instead of putting you with retards
It's almost like it's a team game, that was designed with the intention of playing as a team against another team.
>>342806432
i wonder what some of you guys would have done back in the day when games didnt even have ranks or stats
>>342806629
These people would still blame their teammates.
>>342804674
>CoD
You mean Halo 2.
>>342797251
Quickplay isn't even balanced to begin with you need to wait for ranked and stop taking quickplay seriously because Attacking on a payload/capture point map is favoured for the attacker
these "forced 50" people tend to be shitters who get carried every game and then when they get a team that can't carry them to do the exact same thing they always do it's SHITTY TEAM BG
they are going to blame their shitty mmr rating on shitty teams as well and we are going to be seeing the same "ranked matchmaking is broken" thread every fucking night started by some scrub who had a bad game and blames everything but themselves.
>>342801123
The problem with video game match making systems is the way you perceive them.
In theory, a 50% winrate means that youre always playing at your level, which is a good thing. However, the MM can easily be manipulated by giving you shit odds. A game can easily force losses, whether you like it or not. Lets assume that the game puts you at 10MMR after 10 wins in a row, which means youre at 100% winrate. If the game really forces a 50% winrate then it wouldnt put you against equally skilled opponents now, it would match you against people are skill level 15, or simply team you up with people who are skill level 10-X. Now the outcome is tainted because the result isnt evidence that you cant be skill level 11, it simply means that youre not skill level 15 (or good enough to compensate for the shit team you have). Still no evidence that you arent skill level 11.
This would also explains why good people have an easy time to get past all of this. A good play doesnt care if hes matched against skill level 15 players at skill level 10. Hes skill level XXX himself so to him its irrlevant. The average player however cant just skip multiple levels like that. When I still played DotA around 5.4k solo MMR (right after release of ranked) I noticed something similar. The way the game matches you after winstreaks simply isnt logical. You suddenly get people who go 0:10 in offlanes, something you cant recover from no matter how good you are. Its almost like the system knows who is playing above, and who is playing below his own skill level and uses that knowledge to keep you at a certain % winrate.
>>342802090
If you really think every ranked player will be forced into a 50% winrate then you're just shit at videogames. The people that reach a higher rank than you, will be the people that know how to play the game better than you.
>>342806006
That is the point. Those ppl are also the big cancer in their respective communities, they are the ones that rages the most, and starts shit discussions that can lead to losses.
The solution, if you are this kind of piece of shit, don't blame your team mates, don't blame the lag, don't blame OP champ and claim for nerfs, just deal with the fact that you're shit and there are ppl better than you.
Now if you can't do this, just stop playing and get yourself lost into the depths of the hell...
>>342806674
The mode that is being tested is made for stats being recorded you fucking dumbfuck.
>>342807084
>mfw 4-5 gold medals every game, but still hover around 54% win rate
>>342807297
>know how to play the game better than you.
but that's impossible every character in this game is very easy to use anon this game has no skill ceiling nobody is better than me
>>342802492
Then maybe you need to learn from their example andgit gud
>>342807439
>rest of the team has 3 elims, 1 solo kill, 0 objective kills, 00:12 objective time
>you have 4 elims, 2 solo kills, 2 objective kills, 00:14 objective time
Congrats mate
>>342807439
I get a lot of gold medals on losing teams. It means you were trying to carry those poor bastards but they kept holding the gun the wrong way or were allergic to the payload.
>>342807612
battletag?
>>342807297
The fact that you play with people better or worse than you by a significant margin like in this game is unacceptable.
A shit player should paly with other shit players, but in this game, they put him into a match with players designed to carry him.
Good players are put in matches where he is weighed down by a bunch of bad players, like he is supposed to carry them.
>>342799714
>Join game
>Literally 20 seconds left and my team is getting fucking demolished
>I have no chance what so ever of making any difference
Fucking why? It should stop looking for people to join at that point
>>342797251
>play with 4-5 friends
>never get retarded teammates
ummmmm lol?
>>342807467
>this game has no skill ceiling nobody is better than me
>>342807252
This is the most succinct explanation. This shit can happen to you even if you do well, are mediocre, or are shitty. You will get put in situations you cannot win in.
>>342807795
damn son you chomped down and that wasn't even bait
>>342807793
>play with 4 friends
>The other 2 randos are drooling retards 80% of the time because the game factors in our premade
Permanent carry mode because of it.
>>342807718
A shit player is given a chance to see good players in action and learn from them
A good player is given a challenge to do more for his team than just increasing his own kda
If you are shit, you will have team mates who will be shit too SOMETIMES, but also get good ones from time to time, take this as a chance to fuckin learn something. If you feel your team is shit, then you need to dig your heels and get good enough to carry them. This isn't League of Legends or some horseshit, CHANGE TO WHAT YOUR TEAM NEEDS, AND PLAY IT GOOD ENOUGH TO CRUSH THE ENEMY.
>team picks double symmetra attacking on hanamura
>pick pharah and completely destroy the opponent team by myself
>sitting on a comfy 63% winrate
>never get less than two gold medals per match
>mfw this thread
Reminder that if you really believe forced 50% is a thing, maybe you just aren't good enough at the game
>>342797251
It has been almost a fucking decade since Burning Crusade and Blizzard is still unable to make a decent enough matchmaking.
When you win so much that you start getting 3 people locking genji on defense, widowmaker on attack or who don't even know what the objective is and the like every single game then there is a problem.
I don't mind losing but I want even games, not complete stomps one way or the other.
>>342807605
The last match I played I got 39 eleminations as Zarya and three and a half minute objective time. I think I do alright.though 39 is my record
Is there any way I make a good guess at my MMR? The tracking website isn't very helpful I feel.
>Most matchmaking
Puts you into games that are roughly equal, with maybe one or two people that aren't as good but the other team is just about the same
>Overwatch matchmaking
You won those last few matches so now we're going to "place you in a better match" which really means 5 Hanzos that probably couldn't figure out how to actually use a bow in real life.
>>342808079
None of what you said makes a good matchmaking.
Shit players should never occasionally see good players in action, thats fucking stupid, and is unfair for the team.
A good player should never be weighed down either.
Players should always play against those who are of equal skill. non-negotiable
>>342797251
I'd love a forced 50 if it felt like every game was on the same skill level, instead a fair margin of my losses feel like complete bullshit due to people picking shit like double widow or torb and sym on attack and then refusing to swap when it isn't working. Or watching kill-cams of people wandering around the complete opposite side of the map, or flat out ignoring people killing them when they had ample time to react.
I am no stellar player, I'm a decent fps player. But some of the teams it put me on are fucking ridiculous. Forced losses and sometimes I get carried so hard it isn't even funny.
I really wish good matchmaking wasn't a pipedream, if only someone would solve the unsolvable problem.
>be level 30
>constantly paired with or against guys with prestiges
is this game is so fucking popular, then why cant it match me with other lvl 30's?
Ever wonder how many times you were that retarded teammate?
>>342808132
>I don't mind losing but
You mind losing. You mind a lot. Let your team know when you guys don't need 3 Genjis, just throw it out there politely, maybe they'll tell you to fuck off, or maybe they'll listen and change. Maybe they'll tell you to fuck off but they'll consider it in future games and still become a better player later on.
Because blizzard designed this to make you feel like your playing well
Thats why they hide stats like kda and put them in the ambigious medal system. Thats why you see everyone say its me with 5 monkeys on my team dragging me down posts all the time. You are literally being put in your skill cap and the 50/50 is just a new meme to make bad players feel good about themselves
>>342808304
>Absolutely shitstomp a team of idiots who don't pick a healer or decent comp
>Leaves to find a more balanced game
>I now have the mouthbreather team of 2 hanzo's, zero supports, 2 genjis and a roadhog.
Its way less transparent in this game.
>>342808465
Doesn't matter. I don't want to be put in a match where literally cannot not win.
I want it to be 50/50, where if I'm bad, I'll know it and it'll screw the team. but, if I'm good, I be a real big help.
>>342808323
>Everybody should be the exact same skill level in every game
Then it would be a 50% w/l ratio all the time every-time you dingus. If both teams are always at an even skill-level then there would never be any room to falter. In a good matchmaking system, someone on each team is ALWAYS going to be climbing or descending the ladder.
>>342807376
No, it's to have evenly matched games with people around your skill level. The entire point of this thread is to bitch about playing with retards but ranked lets you play with retards on the same level as you.
>>342808761
I have a 55% winrate and its because I premade, like you. Its the only way to climb.
I'm sorry you think that way OP. Maybe being able to believe blatant lies is a much easier life. I'll have to try it out by believing you're not a fucking retard.
>>342808652
You want to always be the special snowflake that makes or breaks the game? Awesome, good luck buddy.
>>342808096
Except the game literally puts you into losing matches with little to no time left. I can't count the number of times I've been thrown into a game just for it to end in a loss instantly
>>342805573
>>342805668
>mfw 63% win rate
>mfw when mostly solo queue
>mfw constantly carrying shitters/getting gold medals and potgs using a combination of mei, torb, 76 and lucio
gggit gud fags
>>342807674
I'm gonna need some sauce for that anon
>>342809106
nice 10 games played
>>342809106
>Tells people to get good
>Plays 1 hero that actually has to aim
>Even then is hitscan
Lmao.
>I have no idea how MMR and general matchmaking works!
This thread is fucking hilarious, as someone who is 5k in dota and rank 1 in hots, you guys seriously just sound stupid.
>>342808926
in 6v6, each person matters you fucking idiot
>>342809202
267 actually____made you look faggot_____made you look again:^) gitgud bitch_
>>342809301
Then could you let me know >>342808264
>>342809301
I will never fucking ever understand the dick jerking contest when it comes to solo queue MMR in Dota 2.
It has to be the stupidest thing in any competitive game, that people hold it in the highest regard, over team MMR in a game that is like fucking 95% heavily team-based.
Just goes to show how stupid the community is.
>>342808727
both teams playing on even ground =/= 50% win rate
I dont like this game because everyone is better than me and matchmaking sure doesnt give a fuck. I feel like i'm the guy it tosses around to make people lose
I get shittalked so much I just ended up muting all voice coms and teamchat
It doesn't even make sense. I lose a ridiculous amount of games yet it matchs me against WHOLE teams that are prestige while i'm level fucking 32. I don't think i've ever played against someone lower than 40 since the first couple weeks
I fucking hate being matched into a game that is near ending.
I don't give a shit about XP, just let me play a full round of this piece of shit game, you fucking niggers. WHY DID I FUCKING PAY 40 DOLLARS JUST TO GET ANGRY?
>>342809702
because it expects you to put a smile on your face when you get the GGBG boxes.
>>342809301
why do you play 2 mobas
>>342809690
If it really bothers you that much just play characters that people can't really complain about like Lucio or some shit.
Or are you one of those guys that just picks widow/hanzo/genji/tracer every game?
>>342809763
>Winning team says GG first
Slightly tilts me every time without fail, even when it's my own team that does it.
It's probably been said but it's really simple:
Good players have invested time into the game. They are not "at risk" of stopping playing. Bad players are. If bad players never win, they will stop playing. Welcome to modern gaming where everyone has to have a chance to win by making the game worse for everybody!
>>342808414
>or torb and sym on attack
If I knew how to make webms I'd post my Toblerone Attack PotG from last night.Yes I'm low MMR.
>>342809402
Until ranked comes out, you just have to make estimated guesses about your MMR. If you regularly have diarrhea comps, players who don't really understand what they're doing, and generally dogshit games, that means you're low-mid mmr. If you see two supports in your games, and neither of them switches the entire game, you're playing either with coordinated parties or higher mmr. Also, winrate isn't necessarily accurate, but it can help guess your MMR.
>>342809784
I haven't played either dota or HotS for a while now, and I didn't play them at the same time. Also, using the term MOBA makes you look like a retard. Use Fortress Assault, ARTS, or dotalike.
>>342809891
they're just being polite, they aren't taking a shit inside your mother.
>literally everyone has higher hp than me
>I'm the only one anywhere near the payload
when does this retardation end
>>342810776
Being polite is saying GG after the losing team does. Saying GG first is just passive aggressive shit.
its to keep bad players playing longer, so they spend money
its the same thing in games like dota 2
>>342810858
I just say GG when the game ends, then I make comments such as "it was a close game" or I make fun of the shitty play, you must be really cynical to think that everyone is just being a passive aggressive asshole when they win.
Just because you act a certain way it doesn't mean other people are the same
>>342810858
>don't even need to add ez to trigger people anymore
Forced 50 is essentially a meme about matchmaking judging your skill too wildly in either direction and desperately trying to compensate. A good matchmaking system should give you around 50% w/l naturally over time, not see you're on a streak and force you into a bracket with killers.
>>342811102
>you must be really cynical
Yes, I am. Where do you think you are?
>Just because you act a certain way it doesn't mean other people are the same
I love retarded shit like this though. It's just as quality as "all homophobes are secretly homosexuals themselves".
>caring about winrate
My only goal in every match is to get every gold medal possible, especially if I play support. Regardless of the match's result, I win every time I show up in commendations as having 4 or 5 gold medals, even if no one votes.
>>342811358
I wish I could do that.
I just get so frustrated when my team is so fucking shitty they use 2 widows as attackers with a bastion on KOTH
fucking christ
>>342811247
Just take what people say at face value, if they said gg it was either a good game or they were just being polite, don't let your cynicism get the better of you.
>"all homophobes are secretly homosexuals themselves"
funniest thing about this is normally the ones most vocal about that sort of shit are the most guilty, I remember a very vocal anti-gay politician was caught sucking off multiple gay prostitutes, I assume that's where the idea comes from.
If its forced fucking 50 then you literally can do nothing in every game and still have a 50% winrate
overwatch is rng as fuck
nothing you do matters
its a meme game
>>342797251
>level 7
Yeah, you ain't carrying anyone, kid. Pull your head out of your ass.
>>342801123
It's statistically impossible to have a MMR and also have everybody have a 50% forced win ratio because then everybody would be the same rank.
>>342811450
Just outperform them and shittalk them when you get 4 golds in one match. They can't rightfully say anything if you did everything.
If you ever consistently maintain a a winrate above 50% for an extended period of time that would make you quickly the best player in the world with the highest MMR.
It's like you people can't do math.
If people have your skill level then your win rate will be 50%. Anything else you think about this like matches feeling one sided is either bias or a consequence of someone else, like 5 players who play offensively being put on defense together and they all think everybody but them is shitters because they don't win.
Take a math class you faggots.
>>342812673
winrate will be 0/infinite because you tie every match if people have literally same skill level
>>342812137
>Clearly an image pulled from somewhere else
>>342812673
I don't think you know what math is.
>>342812993
except people wont literally have the same skill level, it will be an endless tug of war though
>>342813068
Are you retarded? MMR is a number. You gain it or lose it. If you had a 60% win rate, and kept that forever, that would mean as your matches tended towards infinity you gained MMR forever.
That would give you the highest MMR in the world. Eventually you have to reach a 50% win rate when you have the MMR that properly places you.
>hurr doesn't a 50% winrate mean it's your skill level and you're to blame
Fuck no. Without exaggeration, 90% of losses I've experienced are due to having one or more utterly useless heroes on the team. Most commonly a genji, hanzo, widowmaker, or mei who isn't earning a single fucking medal or even acting as an adequate distraction.
The other 10% are because all 12 players were well matched and we got outplayed.
>>342813214
You make the assumption that gains and losses are all treated equally when calculating MMR and not based upon your opponents MMR and the difference in values.
>
How Overwatch matchaking works: The more you win, the more retarded teammates you get. The game will put you into games with people who have lost many games and task you with carrying them. This goes on until you have gone on a long enough losing streak to put you closer to a 50% winrate.
People said the exact same thing for Dota2. And they were right there as well.
>>342802514
>Halo, despite for some reaso being shit on here
If you really don't understand why, you're too fucking young to be here.
>>342815617
go to /vr/ grandpa
Matchmaking in this game is absolute shit and consistently creates retarded unenjoyable games but why do people care so much about W/L ratio when MMR is supposedly a better measure of skill and you tend to lose less/gain more MMR when playing against teams where the odds are against you?
Even if you get stomped 10 times in a row, you should theoretically take a relatively small hit to your MMR. Sure, it's not fun and it's also indicative of how fucking retarded Jeff Kaplan and Blizzard are but in the end your imaginary goodness points are still mostly intact.
>>342802206
My attack winrate is higher than my defense winrate as torb.
>>342797251
git gud faggot
>>342803829
>forced 50 has been a thing since League of Legends
u wut
>>342797251
I'm sick of seeing that fucking dumb finger thing she does
>>342807439
Stop going for gold medals and actually try to win. No fucking idea why Blizzard thought the medals were a good idea, they get rid of kills and the score screen so people will actually focus on the objective of the game and then they put in medals.
>>342808727
>semen pooniverse
kill yourself
>>342818560
You literally get medals for doing what you're suppose to do to win
>>342811247
>all homophobes are secretly homosexuals themselves
because a lot of them are
>>342802485
>caring about exp
good goy
>>342797251
I have actual proof of forced 50%. Made a separate account and abandoned all lost games to inflate win ratio.
It is getting to the stage where 1/20 games would be a victory on it, and even then its barely.
>>342809106
>mfw still low level
>>342799714
>Join game
>Loading screen
>Suddenly back at menu
>You were kicked from the sevrer for being innactive
>>342818734
You don't need evidence; Blizzard have literally stated on multiple occasions that they literally do this to promote equality and fun in the game, and I don't blame them. It works well.
If you want games where you just constantly get matched against higher skilled players, play competitive with true MMR. That's literally what it's there for.
>>342802549
I had almost 70% win rate in the beta, now I'm barely over 50%
>Play really well for a couple of matches and end up winning
>Next 3 matches are against a 5-stack that obliterates you
>Then get put onto a more balanced team again against good players
>Win
>Get put against a 4 or 5-stack again
This is what bothers me the most. I don't care if I'm losing because I am getting outplayed by singular players. But you will never win against 3 or 4 players that are playing together on Voip unless you also have that same level of coordination, which is impossible since no one uses the voice chat because I live in Europe and people don't want to speak English.
>>342797737
It has been released but it's only on a public test server for now, it will come ti everyone in about 2 weeks though.
>>342808096
>>342808943
both of these.
I would get 1 objective kill.
ONE!
and get a gold.
and sometimes it throws you at the end of a match thats losing. pick Reinhardt to help them out , still lose because no one take advantage of a good Reinhardt.
>>342797251
>MMR carried over from the beta
>I'm still getting matched with comp players all day long
>After 3-4 really good rounds I get placed in forced 50 matches where it's obvious that multiple players come from some of the lowest MMR brackets that exist
It's so blatant it hurts, I go from having fun games to getting placed in the ball pit at chuck-e-cheeses where teammates pick beyond retarded heroes and feed one by one the entire game. Pic related is one of forced 50 enforces I had the pleasure of being matched up with, I'm over level 170 getting a few wins in games where the lowest player is around 110 and then suddenly I'm switched into another game on the same team as this person.
Easily the worst stats I've seen, name hidden to protect the shitter.
>>342820604
>play competitive
is ranked even out yet?
>>342803829
League doesnt have forced 50 lol. people are just fucking bad
>>342803829
>It was even a thing in a way with TF2 with the "team scramble"
even if that was true, team scramble is, and above all, feels more fair
>>342821692
Most likely comes out this week, whenever they patch.
>>342821825
gonna be a good summer.
>>342821825
I heard there wasn't gonna be ranked servers for OCE and presumably other regions.
Any truth to that?
>>342822139
I sure hope so, I can't stand playing against 270 ping koreans on the PTR as it is.
>>342822220
You realise that means they'd join your game since they have no games to join in their own region right
>>342819746
>tfw only leave games when I'm losing
>now grouped up with impossible matches where people farm me
>>342822314
I hope so as in I hope they do have servers.
They should have region locked the PTR anyway.
>>342797251
ITT: people who play a team game solo, possibly their first experience with online multiplayer games
>>342797251
I'm here to mock you
>>342822384
Gotcha.
They should have had different regions for the ptr if they wanted a larger sample.
Or region locked it if they didn't,laggy player data is useless.
>>342822332
>leave games when I'm losing
don't they penalize you for that?
Also, fuck you for leaving.
>>342812304
No because the game doesn't give static amounts of rating per win/loss, it's influenced by a bunch of factors
There's a recent Blizzard post on the forums about it, you can find it with some googling
>>342803391
>>342803121
>>342802736
>>342802307
>Falling for this shit tier bait
>forced 50 is the new 'stuck in the trench'
Different excuses, same shitters
You just aren't as good as you think you are and it's reflected in the people you play with and against
You also fall for confirmation bias, you only notice the shit teams but never the good teams or the bad enemies
Step up your game faggots
>>342797251
>win 5 games in a row
>friends join the party
>1/10 games is a win
T-thanks...
I can't wait for displayed ranked stats so you shitters can shut the fuck up
>/v/ is so shit at an easy game like OW they have to make up conspiracy theories to rationalize their sucking
I couldn't make this up
>>342801893
Here's your (you), newfriend
Its slowly going down for me, oI hope when me and my friends do ranked they try to communicate more, i find im the only one making call outs.
But if you're getting over 50% winrate consistently then your opponents are shitters well below your skill level and it means the matchmaking is failing.
50% winrate means your opponents are similar skill level.
The actual problem with the forced 50 is that all the easy games you get handed that balance out the impossible games give people the impression that they're godlike.
>>342807297
Ranked is no different than solo Q, except it's more toxic because people take the shit seriously.
Your ranks mean nothing to me I've seen so many fuckups in high ranks, I laugh about you and everyone of you little nigglets that get fooled by this.
You get around the same experience whether you win or lose aside from first win of the day. If you're losing terribly and there's literally 0 hope of winning you should just try your best to have fun instead of worrying about getting that extra 500 XP.
>>342823013
It's a shitft of mentality
I don't care about winning in quick play most of the time, I'll just pick whatever vaguely fits the team and have fun. But in ranked I might actually try hard- use mic, communicate wioth team, pick right hero, change accordingly, and so on. The goal is quickly reaching high ranks so that I can have good matches against and with decent players, not your average uncoordinated shitfests
There's also stuff like leaves being punished more heavily
>defending on King's Row
>"Oh shit the enemy is less than 1 meter from winning and its overtime, I better jump on the payload to stall them since my team is right behind me!"
>stall the payload for over 10 seconds
>wonder where the fuck my team is the entire time as I know for a fact they're alive
>eventually die so I get to look around
>they're all in the fucking balconies taking potshots at the enemy team
>I was the sole person stalling the Payload
>as a fucking Mercy
>>342822881
For a perfect matchmaking this would be the case, but only after a very long period. Now no matchmaking can be 100% accurate, it's simply impossible because humans are no machines.
If after a weak of play everyone is sitting around 50% it's simply forced through some way or the other. It's simply impossible.
And then you only need to look at what the companies want, they want as much money as possible, they want the biggest shitters to have the same winrate as most who play.
Just think about it. For every kill there must be a death, for everyone that goes on a killstreak there has to be someone on a losing streak. They don't want the good players, they want the bad players, and they have the perfect tool now to actually change the outcome. Many tools really. Netcode, lag compensation, favor the shooter, complete control over grouping in solo q.
They have everything in their hands to make algorithms that assure their business strategy.
You only need to ask yourself would they do it? Their matchmaking algorithm is completely secret, they didn't say anything about it but the most vague shit. No real data, nothing about how their algorithms detect "skill". We know absolutely nothing about it.
They are messing with the natural order of the universe and I hope their kids get cancer.
>game has very very low skillcap
>because of this you can't be good mechanically
>still they will implement a ranked matchmaking
>>342823159
>I don't care about winning in quick play most of the time, I'll just pick whatever vaguely fits the team and have fun.
That just means your parents raised a egostig little shit.
That's all there is to it. If you really need a ranking system to not be dead weight for other people you play with, if you really need an incentive for a team based video-game to not be a fuckup.
Fuck man, kill yourself. I mean it.
So what happens if you create a new account and do absolutely nothing in any of the matches except walk around in the spawn room?
Would you still get 50% win rate? That would be fucking ridiculous.
>>342823736
Anon this isn't a binary option between trryharding and sitting afk at spawn. What I'm talking about is picking Mercy when the team requires mit even though I despise playing her, instead of plyaing Lucio or Soldier or something. I generally do good enough to earn my teamspot and I've got a winrate well above 50% so I'm rather sure I'm still doing fine
Stop overreacting you little bitch nigga
>>342823208
Payload is the worst game mode when playing with retards. They just don't understand it.
>>342823830
You lose ranking until you reach the mouthbreather ranking, where people are so bad your strategy of being afk might still be superior
My winrate is 52.4%, it's not forced 50%.
>>342823830
Yes. Plenty of matches I played where I didn't do jack fucking shit other than sit pretty on the payload for about two minutes and barely got to see any enemies at all until the payload slowly waltzed onto the points while the rest of my team went about completely demolishing the enemy at their spawn point.
>>342797251
I'm pretty sure the devs said the game doesn't have forced 50.
>>342797251
Hey Faggots,
My name is Atheismo, and I hate every single one of you. All of you are whiny, retarded, goody two shoes who spend every second of their day looking at stupid ass omnics. You are everything bad in the world. Honestly, have any of you ever gotten any pentakill? I mean, I guess it’s fun making fun of people because of your own insecurities, but you all take to a whole new level. This is even worse than jerking off to pictures on zenyatabook.
Don’t be a stranger. Just hit me with your best shot. I’m pretty much perfect. I was captain of the overwatch shadow team, and starter on my talon task force. What jobs do you do, other than “jack off to naked drawn Omnics people”? I also get straight A’s, and have a banging hot girlfriend (She just blew me; Shit was SO cash). You are all faggots who should just kill yourselves. Thanks for listening.
Pic Related: It’s me and my bitch
>>342824109
its true, most shitters wouldn't even have 30% winrate without matchmaking working to bring them up to 50%.
>>342824109
Yeah but the meat of a conspiracy theories is dismissing explicit statements from the people who know their shit, because clearly they're straight up lying to appease the shitters by fucking the good players and since I clearly am one of the good players I'm getting fucked
>>342824220
>its true, most shitters wouldn't even have 30% winrate without matchmaking working to bring them up to 50%.
Yes, by making them lose so much that the shitters meet equally bad shitters to play against
Have you faggots never played a game with a visible rating system or something
>>342806432
Same like the whole beta didn't mean anything to the main game. OH WAIT YOUR MMR JUST CARRIED OVER.
>>342823724
They want to push the esports shit because of how much CS:GO made.
Hell almost 300million fucking bucks for loot boxes. Completely fucking random loot boxes with a possibility of one of a few skins you can also get just while playing.
Let's face it they read the market, meaning 90% of the dumbfuck population, and gave the cancer what it wants.
A casual as sin sort of FPS for the average mouthbreather. and they already made a killing with it.
>>342797251
So exact same matchmaking like in dota 2? Glad i don't play either.
>>342823613
I love how they nerfed the only heros you could almost effectively carry shitters with. They listened to the lowest common denominator on the boards and realized that they have heroes that can carry, and "removed" them.
Fucking brilliant man.
If you're so worried about shit teams why don't you play with your friends?
>>342824612
>OH WAIT YOUR MMR JUST CARRIED OVER.
Sure thing bud.
>>342803391
nigger
>>342824974
If you are that retarded, why are you posting?
>>342825012
SURE THING BUD
>>342824974
My friends all ragequit this terrible game
Can't hold on lads. Solo life is too hard.
It makes sense to have a lvl7 Genji on my team against a two star player and his crew while being lvl40. It just werks.
>>342824289
>visible
Completely hidden and vague is visible now?
>>342824109
A multi billion$ corporation lied in an official statement? IMPOSSIBRU!
>>342824974
Because my friends are shit and I can't find someone to play with that is on my skill level.
>>342825398
A game that isn't OW, that is
If ranked mode comes out with visible ranking you'll quickly see how the shitters will sink into the retard tier, the good players will rise to the good tier, and the mediocre players will swim around the middle while bitching about how they're actually pro but stuck in the trenches, like it happens every fucking time
>>342824232
>the people who know their shit
All I read is, omg it's not forced because insert a whole bunch of nothingness here.
The only people that would know what's really going on won't give us detailed information, hell they are so vague about that shit that it's fishy even if there were no obvious problems.
I don't need other people to tell me what I see each and every play session. I'm, not an idiot I see when I get matched with a team full of shitters.Even if they so brilliantly removed a score board so you can't really point to it. Hell it's all so fucking obvious. Why would they remove the scoreboard? Why would they replace it with the fucking cards that show meaningless shit where even the biggest fuckups can appear?
Fucking smell the smoke dude.
>>342825552
I suspect the top 50% will be premades only. Even if there are decent solo/duo/trio players, it's not very possible to counter an experienced coordinated team in this game.
>>342797352
>in less than a month
This is applying a simple algorithm to a game made by a huge team.
If I was managing that team, I'd expect the feature in a few days.
Imagine the algorithm like this: The match queue is a strip with one lane per player, and the player's position on that lane depends on their winrate, while the length of the lane they take up depends on how long they've been waiting.
Then, wherever there's a line that can be drawn through the strip which will pass through 6 players, those 6 players are selected for a match.
Of course, that's simplified because it doesn't take ping into account, but taking ping into account is possible if you complicate things a lot more.
>>342825552
I played on the ptr and it was nothing like that. It was the same as solo Q only worse.
>>342825715
>The only people that would know what's really going on won't give us detailed information
You mean like the lead director of the game
The guy whose post you just read
Who explicitly says that your conspiracy theory is the same kind of bollocks shitters always make up when they're faced with a ranking system and have to admit that they're worse than they think they are
>>342825720
The top few % sure, but the game isn't that deep that premades have tooi much of an advantage. The most importantz thing is chaining ults, really, and then there's little things like calling out flankers that you just need a mic for
>>342821807
>the top scorer at 600-something points on 24/7 Degroot Keep constantly switches to the winning team when scrambled off
>people defend him for it because "he can't carry the team"
>when you're the one actually being where the team needs you, dealing heavy damage with a rake; and they'll sometimes sit in spawn waiting until the game lets them switch team due to post-scramble team switch prevention
>this is when team scramble works as intended, rather than putting all the top scoring players on one team and all the bottom scoring players on the other
"fair"
>>342825823
Does it display rank though
>>342797251
or the fact that when you win, you get put on attack
and compared to defending, it's much more difficult
>>342825169
>Dev statement is gospel.
>Gold medals up the ass every match
>80% of potg's
>Game hits retail
>get thrown in with shitters all day erry day.
The thing is a normal thinking human being doesn't need external statements to see with his own eyes. I was there, son, I was playing and I see decent players when I see them because I'm playing these games since 20 fucking years and some of them on the highest possible level.
Fucking kys Blizzdrone.
>>342826165
>gets btfod with evidence
>AHRGHQWRGHJWG I'm playing these games for 20 years!!
>>342826165
I believed your statement until you came with 20 years of hyperbole. Everyone knows its shit to do solo.
But seriously fuck blizzard for making solo MM cancerous as hell, if I have no group to play with, this game would be already on recycle bin.
When will forced 50% meme die? I solo queue as none of my irl friends bought ow. I'm at 26% win rate
>>342826264
If you play the game at all it's pretty obvious that the MMR brackets are either totally broken or the game is forced 50. It's common to get put into games with players who are quite clearly many many levels below the other players in the games skill level and that round ends up being an unstoppable loss because of it.
50% is the ideal in a well balanced system but that isn't what is happening here, the system is throwing low tier players into higher tier games where they don't belong, the question is whether or not this is on purpose.
>>342825169
There is no way to disprove something that is complete non transparent. They could've said that the matchmaking takes your birthday and favorite food into account too. There is no way to prove them wrong but asking the other players.
Btw try it, ask your teammates politely if they ever played an fps. I did and a lot of the times people said this is my first I played WoW before. How are they in my mmr? How can someone like that be in the same rating as a guy that held a launcher for 20 fucking years?
Please enlighten me son.
There is only a few possibilities, either the matchmaking is complete shit, forced, or they simply lied and don't take skill into account.
Which is also pretty likely.
Accuracy is the best way to determine skill level in an fps, but then again it's hard to asses the accuracy of a Mercy only player. So I'd go ahead and take damage done and healing done to that and that should be a good basis for skill level.
They did no such thing or they deliberately force grouping.
either they are fuckups or they are the fucking devil. Also you are an inbred sob.
>>342825851
>It's all a conspiracy theory!
It's obvious and easy to understand the reasons behind it.
Go away kid.
>>342826668
Yes anon when you start to argue that the people who know all about the matchmaking system because they made it are actually lying throough their teeth it becomes a conspiracy theory
>get on a winstreak
>it's a "get teamed up with a group with 3 snipers on payload escort" episode
>it's a "your team doesn't get a single kill on the killfeed" episode
>it's a "everyone fights at point A when they are already capping point B" episode
Only retards will say that forced 50 isn't a thing.
You don't get paired up with teammates who are the same skill level as you, you get paired up with retards who will force you to lose and get your winrate back to 50%.
GG
>>342825720
Which makes sense.
Trying to run a against a coordinated team as a bunch of solos is going to get your shit stomped, because having a plan helps.
Though sometimes in rando pubs you get shit like pictured, where everything's fucking magic.
>>342797251
agreed, absolute shit, i stopped playing and uninstalled because i couldn't stand the forced 50 anymore, and that fucking shitheaded loser that directs this game just addressed it with his usual vagueness and deceptiveness, saying that they don't literally change the game to make you lose, they just matchmake based on win/loss, and apparently that's NOT forced 50. The people who made this game are absolute cunts to the HIGHEST degree, the fact that they try to use community memes and be like 'Hello fellow gamers' constantly just makes it worse because they are the ones making this game worse with free to play style lootboxes and microtransactions.
Overwatch is basically the worst FPS I've played in years and is only a tier above Homefront, not Revolution, the original Homefront, it's that fucking awful. I gave it a whole 30 hours before throwing my hands up and going back to TF2. 2016's best 3/10 right guys?
>>342824109
Jeff Kaplan is the master of vague and useless posts to cover his ass, he's currently one of the sleaziest, shadiest individuals in the entire gaming industry.
>>342797251
>Blizzard thinks you and you alone are doing too well, and you need to be taken down a peg back to 50%
>Decides to set you up to lose games
>Stacks the teams against you
>Puts 6 pros who are doing well against you and 5 retards who are doing poorly
>The six pros win
>their winrate goes up each time blizz sets them up like this
>now blizz has to set them up for fail games too to get them down to 50
>the retards on your team lose
>their winrate goes down
>now blizzard has to feed them easy games to get them back up to 50%
Forced 50% is the dumbest conspiracy.
>Consistently get put into the same games as comp players
>Most games consist of all level 120+ players
>Whenever the system decides I've won too many it starts shuffling level 20-50 players who are sub .500 into my team and I can't escape the losses
Yeah, totally not forced 50.
>>342826264
>evidence
Could he have lied? Just ask yourself this question every time you read something without any evidence.
I'm just trying to help you be less of a moron.
God speed little anon~kun.
>>342826552
That looks like a nice mei pic, link full version
>>342826991
I don't see how that post is vague especially when in combination with the other, long post talking about what the rating system does
>>342826816
Then why don't they give detailed information about it? Therewere threads with 100+ posts of people asking how the game determines skill level. And absolutely nothing.
The only official statement we got was, the MM looks for skill, ping, and grouping.
That's all we ever got. And here you are stroking the corporate dick like a good cumfaggot. Non transparency is always a good indication of something smelling very fishy.
>>342826532
>>342827165
It's obvious that they tinker with the system all the time, the point is that there's no logic behind lying about taking beta results into launch when it's stupid to begin with. So far my impression is that they've been somewhat open about what they're doing but most of the changes are retarded out of the box.
>>342807252
Why the hell can't they just use a true elo system?
You fucking go up if you're beating those above you, you go down for losing.
Go up faster if they're farther above you and you win, down faster if they're further below you and win.
Who the fuck had the bright idea to force win % and stack the odds against you because you're steamrolling? That kind of shit doesn't happen in games with good elo systems like chess, you just fucking steamroll until you're where you belong, then you get smacked around or even matches.
And if you're shit you stay at the bottom until you get good.
It's not quite as bad if you run a 6-man group, but anything less and you absolutely will see you paired with sniveling retards who WILL lose the game for you singlehandedly if you've done too well.
I wish they took playtime into account in addition to win rates though. It's happened multiple times that when me and my group start doing too well, we end up going against teams that have people who have 80-120 hours in a single character (one being a Reinhardt, another Lucio, another Mercy) and less than 5 hours in their 2nd most played character.
>>342827642
but then the bad players wouldn't have fun and stick around to make shitty loot crate unboxing videos on youtube
>>342827203
>what the rating system does
Except it doesn't. Again, he could have also said that the MM looks for blood type and and your favorite band.
We would be at the same spot we are now. We see those bad matches and those players that can't even be remotely in our skill level. It'S happening and it's there. Some vague words from someone doesn't change that. How is that so hard to understand.
>>342820495
it's telling you to get exercise
>>342827852
Exactly, nothing the devs say can make this game any better, it is what it is. It functions exactly like forced 50, and if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, quacks like a duck, then forgive me for calling it a duck.
>>342827581
>Then why don't they give detailed information about it?
>The only official statement we got was, the MM looks for skill, ping, and grouping.
That's a nice simplification of pic related, which explains how the system works, it's not even the full post
You got all the information you could ever need , but you'll never be satisfied, since you just have to believe that you're the proest player out there and any loss must be forced by the system to appease shitters. Thus you'll never be satisfied, they could give you the full alghoritm and you'd claim it's not the real one
I don't understand
I have not had a completely shit team since I finished my 10 competitive games on PTR. Maybe it's just a fluke, but it's like a switch labeled No Retards Allowed was flicked.
I'm guessing in Quick Play and before you get a rank it has to guess and does, like, a binary search to narrow down where your skill level is. If you win a few times on easy teams to see if you drag them down, then you're matched a few times with retards to see if you can carry them. In competitive once I got my rank, I'm matched explicitly with only people of rank 45-55.
>>342804058
The problem is people don't want to carry their entire team.
What we want is to play against people our skill level the entire time until you progressively get better. Not this random bag of here's a bunch of shitters lets see if we can't get you to lose that 3rd match in your winstreak and put you back to 50% win regardless of skill matchups.
>>342828183
It's divided by region, does your friend play on the Ugandan servers?
Overwatch match making is literly the same as any shooter.
Prove me wrong
>they think they know about forced 50%
>>342828282
We're both American.
Why you people care about your stats? You will never fucking ever be in Esports team, or in any team at all
>>342805150
wat?
I remember being in CAL and CPL at that time and people still called it esports.
>>342828528
Well, picture of smug anime girls, I find the idea of earning wins to be more fun than trading steamrolls back and forth.
>>342828595
Back then it was "Cyber Sports"
>>342828660
>>342828595
Wasn't it MLG?
Are e-sports MLG?
I've tried to stay away from it all since Halo 2 days
>>342800357
elo and mmr are not the same thing though. CS:GO managed to have a pretty good matchmaking system so it's not impossible at all. Of course there will always be retards who were carried by friends to a higher rank or whatever, but overall the matchups are fairly even. No reason Blizzards shouldn't manage to pull that off.
Once they actually start displaying each players mmr in the match I suspect a lot of the salt directed at the matchmaking will go away and instead people will complain about people not playing on the level they're supposed to according to their number. Everybody can have a bad day so it's not unrealistic that someone with a high mmr plays like shit and loses the game.
>>342806472
except chess! that shit actually works.
>>342828726
In the early days it was cyber sports, I'm talking the first age of professional competitive gaming in the 1998-2004ish range, CPL was your biggest event.
I'm not sure when exactly MLG became a thing but it was mostly console gaming until they brought SC2 into the mix.
>>342825727
Holy shit someone tell blizzard!
It's not a matter of making the rank system retard. Seasons are gonna be 3 months. They need to let the meta settle and see if any balancing needs to be done. Imagine if we had to deal with the Mccree shit in the middle of a season.
They are literly trying to not piss you off by making it fair
>>342803658
your not gonna win anything with that attitude anon
>Dota 2 is forced 50%
How come all the good players aka pros have +70% winrate accounts with only solo games played?
Checkmate forced 50% crybabbies
Maybe it has forced 50 but I don't take it seriously enough to care.
A server browser is coming soon and then you can't complain about it.
>>342802219
>There are very few games that aren't completely one sided.
This is due to the map design more than team skill. On the London map for example if you're defending and lose a teamfight for the first control point by the time you spawn and run back the cart will already be pushed half of the way to then next point. By that time the enemy team is grouped up on the cart (or ahead of it, if they're smart) and can pick off your team one by one as you spawn.
>if you win a couple of matches, you can be damn sure your about to get your shit kicked in.
That's just probability though, if you expect to win all your games forever you are delusional.
>>342827063
This >>342826552
Either it's intentional or due to them simply being stupid. When multi billion $ corporations are concerned I tend think the former. They rarely leave anything to chance and they are power and money hungry by default. So it's safe to assume that when given the opportunity to, completely unchallenged and untouchable, maximize on their business strategy they will go for it 99% of the time.
Still, they could also just be idiots.
>>342797352
>Implying ranked mode wont have the same 50% winrate shit
>>342797251
Every game that has matchmaking tries to force the 50% winrate meme, its really annoying
>>342813496
>>342813214
and thats precisely why elo systems do this. Greater the difference between numbers, the bigger the resulting change is.
>>342830168
I almost long for the 'stuck in the trenches' funposting to come back
>Playing a game where is not possible to carry your team no matter how good you are
you only have yourself to blame
>>342828278
>carry your entire team of retards against a well rounded team
Keep in mind that the rest of your team is practically against you too, because they're just fuel for ults. But I guess you still probably think you're playing Call of Halo, so you wouldn't know that.
>We are constantly improving the matchmaker. We learn more each day. We have one of our best engineers and best designers full time dedicated to the system. Many of those “silent” patches that go out during the week are adjustments to the system. For example, we recently realized that “Avoid this player” was wreaking havoc on matchmaking. One of the best Widowmaker players in the world complained to us about long queue times. We looked into it and found that hundreds of other players had avoided him (he’s a nice guy – they avoided him because they did not want to play against him, not because of misbehavior). The end result was that it took him an extremely long time to find a match. The worst part was, by the time he finally got a match, he had been waiting so long that the system had “opened up” to lower skill players. Now one of the best Widowmaker players was facing off against players at a lower skill level. As a result, we’ve disabled the Avoid system (the UI will go away in an upcoming patch). The system was designed with the best intent. But the results were pretty disastrous.
tl;dr unless you have really long queue times you are a shitter and shouldn't be complaining.
>>342822650
I'd rather climb out of elo hell with shitters left and right and a working system, than a forced 50 that applies even at highest ranks.
>>342801946
Ohh boy that pic, kek'ed hard
>>342797251
I think the problem comes from (at least my experience):
Matchmaking continuously puts you with the same group if you don't leave. Therefore, if you get a good group of players you continue.
Now if you're first starting out, you get matched with randoms. So most "random" teams are playing good players who stick around and continue to join. There in lies the problem.
Post 'em.
>>342797251
>playing Overwatch
All those Twitch streamer tears, after they realize Blizzard deactivated their bots
>>342830963
Where do you get this
>People actually trying to cite pro players as evidence against forced 50%.
Pro players are professional for a reason, assuming that one of the best players would EVER solo queue, they're likely skilled enough to make up for at least a few team members short comings. Even then, considering their MMR is higher than most, they're not going to be getting bad players, at worst the most average of average. But this doesn't even happen, because every pro player queues with a stack, it's a way to guarantee wins practically.
>hurr durr then why does forced 50% matter
Because it fucking exists.
>>342831053
Master Overwatch
>I'M SO GOOD IT'S THE TEAM THAT'S HOLDING ME BACK
Every multiplayer gamer ever
I really, truly love the fact that people are talking about ranked like it's going to be a miracle and save the game's matchmaking.
People are in for a fucking rude awakening if they think that's going to solve the huge issues of people being worthless dogshit.
>>342831235
>>342831235
Oh so literally every team of pubs on Overwatch is great and knows what to do? So I must be the reason why other people can't get a single kill or stay on the point.
>>342828898
>>342828726
I always remember MLG being console based, which is why we always ended up playing in CAL/CPL/CEVO
But then I wasn't really good and on the scene until 2006-2008, and by that point esports was a regular buzzword we threw around at eachother.
Oh I'm a cyberathelete, look how good i am at esportz guise.
5rd?
>>342831716
Literally everyone assumes they are over average, not everyone can be. People overestimate their own skill
>>342832275
When you have snatched 4-6 gold medals at the end of the game, then can without a doubt say your team was trash
>>342830963
>can't find a player by that name.
>>342832745
include the digits of your battletag as well, this format: Name#1234
All this shitposting aside, does everyone even still like this game? I am still really enjoying it despite all this matchmaking bullshit.
>>342802534
how is this possible
>>342831235
The vast majority of people out there lack the basic human skill of self assessment yes. I do not, shit's fucked son.
I'm pretty average and get my ass handed in any 1v1 scenario.
>>342830963
I feel like I have to be medicated to continue playing this game. Teammates are depressing as fuck. I can't trust my teammates to do anything. I remember being able to carry much easier in Halo.
>>342832275
The real problem is the fact that the vast majority of people are actually incompetent. And most of who think they're above average are waaaaaaay on the left (you know the people who play any game and blame the bullshit mechanics/teammates for everything and have no idea what the word self responsibility means?)
Despite the amount of the graph in low confidence, its important to know that involves people who actually have knowledge in the field, not 90% of the shitters in videogames.
>>342833164
This is why a lot of pros / masters are actually pretty humble in regards to their ability. Because they fucking know theres people out there who can challenge them and there is still a large amount they don't know and could improve on.
The overconfident people are the ones who DONT actually know what they're talking about, and the rare few good players who just shittalk.
>>342832515
Not if it was for 400 healing, 3 elims, and 8 seconds of objective time, you drooling fucktard.
>>342833141
>2nd most played
>16 games
Anon... I
And this is why I will never, ever, ever play a game with matchmaking only.
Server browser or no buy.
>>342802691
>>342802879
These. It's like OW attracts the lowest possible skill players in the history of FPS games. It's like they never even heard about anything prior. No game modes not mechanics fucking nothing.
I still believe that the Blizzard audience never played anything else but whats on their Battle.net app.
>>342803273
Where is the proof? Do you often group up with other people or do you solo Q? Are your parents brother and sister?
More details faggot~kun.
>Friend urges me to buy the game
>Buy game
>6-man premade first and second day
>Really like the game
>People start to not play
>Been playing solo or 2-man for the past 2 weeks
God! At least Im still having alright fun with the game. Its so easy to get in and out of, so its a good change of pace instead of playing grindy games. I guess you could call itcasual.
>>342830963
Toot toot scrub coming through.
>>342833473
Why wouldn't you play the 'teleport behind the enemy class'?
I'm trash at this game anyone want to add me on bnet and play?
>>342797251
Like what I don't get is, and this happens almost every single game, people will pick Hanzo, Widow and Genji. Like that will be half of our team for nearly every game I play, and people are fine with that. It's really hard to believe these fucking retards exist.
>mfw I check my stats just now
>mfw 799 games
>mfw 404 wins
IT'S FUCKING TRUE!!!!
>>342826824
this
>>342797587
But 20hz is real and even blizzard acknowledged it
>you think that you don't want 20hz, well you're wrong, you do :^)
>>342830963
I used to be 1:1 K/D with Mercy, but I've been slipping.
>>342797745
Don't believe this shit because the moment I run solo matchmaking Blizzard will throw me into games that are 3 seconds away from defeat. Just tonight I loaded up four games that slapped Defeat on screen before I could even play. This what they do to premadefags that win too much.
>>342797251
>pick zarya and wait for her ult then win the game: The game
Overwatch is fucking garbage. Only reason its this popular is the waifubait characters and because Blizzard is behind it so they get free shills with the drones mindlessly eating any shit they produce.
>he fell for the overwatch meme
>>342834864
>Zarya's Ult
>Doing anything
>>342835370
Post in this thread again when you're over level 20
>>342828152
>OMG IM A HUGE FAGGOT PLEASE RAPE MY FACE
>>342835370
Zarya's ult is one of the best in the game. You must be fucking garbage to not realize that.
>What happens if I'm in a game where everyone's a similar MMR, but one side keeps losing?
Statistically, it appears to be a fair match, but it's proving not to be as the results consistently favor one side. However, the Overwatch system has a failsafe in place in this case where the match will be disbanded (both sides will requeue and "Finding a more balanced match" will appear) once a threshold of consecutive losses is met.
Only a retard will deny forced 50% after reading this.
>>342835569
>>342836961
The only thing Zarya has going for her is being lesser known. Few people use her and as such few know just how shit that useless Ultimate is.
Even on Escort maps where a Zarya is likely to catch the whole team, nine times out of ten one of the opposing heroes has something to counteract it immediately.
A handful of characters can simply escape the gravity well with an ability.
Anyone with a useful Ultimate or Ability will use it.
"Ogon’ po gotovnosti"? Well then DIE DIE DIE / Barrier Activated / MOLTEN CORE / STAND BEHIND ME / Barrier's on you! / whatever.
I'd sooner want Mei on my team than Zarya in competitive.
>>342838715
Nice hyperbole, because as we all know every team consists only of characters that can counteract zarya's ult with their own, and they always have their ults ready ;)
>>342797251
>ME OOGA
>TEAM BOOGA
>LOSE
OVERTARDS??
>>342825727
>never worked in software engineering
>>342797251
Fuck off http://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20745504371
tfw I lose more games when i stack than when i play solo
git gud
>>342803492
>the matchmaker puts me in a team with people who literally can't hit a Roadhog as Reaper against a coordinated team that might as well be premade after I've won 2-3 games
>it's a good system
>>342840119
Working as intended. You're on their level, shitkid.
>>342805573
>implying I don't get 3-4 gold medals in "those" matches most of the time
nice try mate
>>342821801
ya and overwatch doesnt have forced 50 either
you people just fucking blow at it
>>342809657
Then what would it be
>>342840331
Even under the assumption that I'm bad like those reapers, it's still a situation where my team is matched against a WAY better team.
how on earth is that fair you retard?
>>342803391
niggerbabby
>>342840506
There certainly is a way to drive up your winning rate. My rate during on Saturday evening with pickup groups is 55%. My rate in six man pre-made groups of the best insomniacs on the west coast at 4:00 am on a Wednesday is 70%.
I joined a game and literally before it was even fully finished loading the game ended. All i got was a Defeat come across my screen and the play of the game had half loaded assets and no characters until the last kill or so.
I had no character on the vote screen. i never even got to character select. No exp or anything.
>>342841082
it isn't
you just picked a bad composition or heroes you aren't good with
>>342821262
>most damage done 8k
>most healing done 6.7k
>most elims 30
how can someone be this bad
So am I the only one really bored of the game now?
The game has no content at all and because it's Blizzard we talk about they will probably release new content slower than any other company out there.
How long will it be before it's totally dead? all my friends already stopped playing.
>>342838930
No hyperbole.
Any other tank can and should willingly jump into the black hole and protect their team.
Reihardt's Shield can cover the whole team from most harm since everyone is squished into a single point.
D.va's Defense Matrix can do the same and protect the team for most of the majority of the 4 second long gravity well.
Winston's bubble reaches high enough that it will cover everyone floating in the air.
Roadhog on account of being a fat fuck and self-healing will bodyblock a lot of damage from most projectiles.
If Zarya's ultimate blocked Ability use, it might actually be useful. It's a very weak gimmick Ultimate that is highly situational. Even in organized matches, it's rare that Zarya's allies will be able to wipe out most of if any of the enemy team before the ultimate ends given typical team compositions.
>>342804259
That's how any good matchmaking system would work.
>Win four in a row
>Your MMR increases, so now you will be matched against and with better players, making it easier to lose if that's not your actual skill level
>Lose six in a row
>Your MMR decreases, matching you against less skilled players, making it easier to win if that's not your actual skill level
>>342833035
The usual Blizzard shenanigans maybe
>only consider myself average or slightly above average at shooters
>Overwatch mmr supports this
Maybe you guys are just bad, or try to play TDM instead of the objectives?
>>342809169
stefania ferrario, step back though. she is mine.
Forced 50 is a meme, 450 games and I have a 64% winrate total with a 72% winrate on Lucio. Playing solo only.
Stay shit shitters.
>>342807674
>>342844160
>no muscle
what the fuck is the point
this useless bitch dyed her hair and all of a sudden you're giving her attention
stop being thirsty, dumbasses
Not listed, I apparently have a 4.64 k/d ratio as Tojbjorn but I barely play him.
>>342844519
well she has at least spent one day at the gym
>>342844519
>muscle
We get it, you like men. Pictures of women are not intended for you.
>>342797251
>The more you win, the more retarded teammates you get
or have you considered that it can place you with players way better than you which causes you to lose until you are back at 50%, you delusional fuck. Or could you not comprehend the possibility that there could be players better than you and to lower you win rate you must be placed with shittier players.
>>342845456
No, he's right.
The MM favors quick matches over good matches, the blue post even says this. This means the MMR gap is going to be large. A large MMR gaps means the bad players in a match are matched with the best player in the match. This means most matches are likely to be a bunch of bad players and one good player against a team of average players which results in many steamroll matches.
>only started using Mercys pistol after like 6 hours of play time with her
>>342803349
>engage lag switch
>queue
>team against high ping players
>turn off lag switch
Blizzdrones will defend this.
>>342846448
Ah, to be 13 again.
>>342847295
>lag switch
Can you elaborate?
>>342847476
>He he he, I called him underage. That'll show him!
Fuck off
>>342847748
4chan is 18+ kiddo.
>>342847905
Starving for (you)s huh?
>>342824857
In an fps, there shouldn't be carries. There should be characters who are more effective given certain circumstances. McCree shouldn't be the goto offense. He deserved the nerf.
50% win rate for both teams is balanced but w/e this game is shit
>>342848026
>intentionally breaking the rules and being an edgy racist
And I'm the one starved for attention.
>>342797765
thats literally how it works in hots
>>342802828
Please have someone provide proof that this is the case.
I wouldn't mind sticking around trying to turn a hopeless situation around, there's fun in that. But when its tied to a consequence that's not even your fault it means I just instent leave.
>>342823929
True, its forced 50% -3%/+3% :^)
>>342797251
Sounds about right.
Blizzard thinks they're so sneaky, they'll put only a couple players on the enemy team who vastly out level you, but the catch is they'll put complete idiots on your team who just happen to be a similar level as you. Look, it's balanced right?! Obviously not as I get 4 golds as support.
>>342804064
It's completely unfun to lose because you and maybe the one other competent guy on the team were expected to carry the 2 snipers and Genjis that burst into flames everytime they decided to rush into hails of bullets 2 seconds after spawning. The most fun I've had in this game is winning and losing when the teams were equally skilled and the match was a constant back and forth, instead of getting completely shutdown at spawn or pushing the payload without an inch of fucking resistance. Unfortunately due to the matchmaking system, those matches are maybe 1 out of every 20 I've played.
>>342803003
Fucking this
>Go into game
>pretty much woomp the enemy team
>die
>game is on over time
>Well it should be fine, all my allies have to do is contest the point until get back, there all alive right now so it should be easy!
>MFW the overtime bar goes down without stopping once
Really the only thing that makes me feel better is the fact that I know While i'm supposed to be the counter weight to carry a bunch of retards, at least i'm bound for future better games, those fuck tards are stucks in an endless pool of crappy players.
>>342828956
shut up anime shitposter, you have no idea what you're talking about
there's no way to a match if your team is full of retards
>>342849283
>tfw getting the gold medal in elims as Mercy even though your aim is shit and you only shot a couple of people
>>342828984
>with only solo games played
you have no way to confirm that retard
checkmate idiot
>>342849414
>at least i'm bound for future better games
I have some bad news.
Nothing pains me more than having shitty team mates when I'm playing Cloud9 or Team Liquid players.
>>342801893
it's obvious that you're bullshitting
i bet most of you havent even played overwatch
>>342828984
Typically those people are really playing with a set party, so the amount of retarded they get is a lot lower.
Or they have a set pubstomping strat. It's what I've been doing with lycan and it wins me 80% of the games so i'm sure stuff like is how they do it, but me personally I just get bored with a single strategy to quickly to do that shit.
That being said if your win rate is 50% your average true and true. the forced win rate should bring you to something like 55% to 60% if your above average skill lvl.
>>342800195
They aren't more skilled though, I always top frag and top damage in my games, but half the time I end up with idiot team mates who pick the same hero and contribute nothing. That's forced 50 you fucking mongrel.
>>342800275
Yeah it's my fault I lost when I kill the entire enemy team multiple times while my teammates struggle to do anything at all. It's my fault because I pick the hero needed for the team comp while my retarded teammates pick duplicate heroes and NEVER EVER a support.
Fucking idiot.
>>342850394
>That being said if your win rate is 50% your average true and true. the forced win rate should bring you to something like 55% to 60% if your above average skill lvl.
So why is it that a low MMR player can have a 50% WR and a high MMR player can have a 50% WR?
Your statement is incorrect both mathematically and logically. Besides the fact, that isn't even how the matchmaking works.
>>342804003
>shitters who think they're good play with buttbuddies in pubs because they're too shit to win solo
>actual good players go rambo and still win every game
every time
>>342851612
Things that never happen
>>342843502
That's not how overwatch matchmaking works though. If you win a certain amount of games they will start putting shittier and shittier players on your team and better and better players on the enemy team until it's literally impossible for even a cheater to carry.
Idiot.
>>342844397
Stay lying, liar.
>>342851906
Calling me an idiot doesn't actually make what you're saying true.
>>342851190
The question comes to mind on HOW people with a win rate of 60% can exist in low MMR then right? If that's the case they'd be Higher MMR, The answer?The mmr system is grindy as fuck.Lets say the games convinced your a shitter and starts you at 1.3k, yes I've seen good players get that starting mmr, this was fairly early when the system was more retarded than it is now, but stillTypically a game's going to give you 25 mmr per win, and you'll lose that amount on lose, at a 60% win rate, that means you'll climb an average of 5 mmr per game.to get into "not shit" mmr, that means 340 games of nothing but ranked mmr. Sure that may not be a lot for your avid mmo player, but for a lot of people that's a pretty sizable time investment. Its also why the gap of skill get increasingly large each 1k. The difference in skill between 1k to 2k isn't that much, and the same for 2k to 3k, but getting past that it starts to become much longer, less on the fact that those players are "skilled" but they've simply played a fuck ton.
>>342801893
post career profile showing games won and games played
>>342852332
And the reason it works like that is because the MMR gap for matchmaking is incredibly large. They do this to give you quick matches with the best ping possible.
The reason you keep seeing familiar faces is mostly due to region rather than being close in MMR. This is why you go, oh god, it's this terrible fucking genji main that never does any damage.
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