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Microcucks.
Shame, that would have been really good for the consumer.
What is it? the year 2007?
In other news, Nintendo turned down Sony's offer to partner up in the console market. Biggest mistake Nintendo ever made.
duh?
both companies were already working on consoles of their own
>>342701903
It was less a partner up and more an attempted hostile takeover.
>>342702034
This. Sony was trying to claim IP rights on everything produced in an underhanded contract stipulation. Nintendo's lawyers caught it and told Sony to fuck off.
>>342701903
this
sony always wins baby
>>342702034
They signed a contract before reading it and then instead of negotiating because they wanted to not have their IPs used by others, go to Philips to hand them their IPs to be used for the CDi and we got Hotel Mario and Wand of Gamelon out of it
I'm not saying Sony was in the right but Nintendo was fucking retarded at the time
>>342702434
That would've been fucking nice.
Jesus christ the PS2 was such a piece of garbage. To this day I think they made it poorly just to sell more consoles, the DVD reader died every 6-9 months.
The one I have now refuses to play music on half the games I own, it's fucking retarded.
>>342702683
>the DVD reader died every 6-9 months
You got unlucky as fuck, I got mine in Christmas of 01 and it still works
>>342702651
Well chances are they did read it, but have you ever read a contract?
Wording is confusing, misleading, often times people hide really important shit in a bunch of irrelevant bullshit. See the Iran-Contra scandal.
We don't know the exact details of the case, we do know Nintendo and Sony signed a contract, and that Nintendo later learned the contract was basically "So you agree to be a part of Sony now" and when Nintendo realized this, Yamamuchi got really pissed and went to Phillips and cut all contact with Sony.
Cuck is a degeerate word.
Not even kidding
Also imagine Nintendo would have teamed up with Microsoft.
That would have been funny
>>342702369
Citation needed.
>>342702881
Poor poor Nintendo. It's all Sony's fault that Nintendo breached the contract!
>>342702881
From what I heard, the contract was basically
>Nintendo and Sony will make the Nintendo Playstation with CD capabilities
>Sony will also make their own disc based system and be able to use Nintendo's IPs
>Sony's system will be able to play all Nintendo Playstation games
Obviously Nintendo wanted out because they realized Sony was going to have access to their properties which they were protective of but then ran off to Philips to hand them their IPs to spite Sony
>>342702651
>Nintendo was fucking retarded at the time
you mean all the time
>>342699670
uhh... wasnt this known like when the fucking 1st xbox came out
>>342701903
>Biggest mistake Nintendo ever made
Nintendo's been trying to top that lately.
MS shouldve partnered with Sega, then the Dreamcast wouldve survived and we'd have a glorious Sega/MS union that would put Steam to shame
>>342703029
It was just a bunch of dickbaggery all around. Nobody was in the right at all.
>>342703049
Well what I read is that Sony also got pretty much all the revenue from the games sold, as well as total control of any of the IPs published. It was a very aggressive contract.
With Phillips it was a bit different though, Phillips was only allowed to make a select few games and after that they had no right to any of the IPs and no control over the IP except to make those select games.
I mean, it was a total mistake to partner with Phillips, but at least we got youtubepoops I guess? Man the 80s were just a total shitshow.
>>342699670
and Sony was partnering Nintendo before making PlayStation.
Sonycucks
In other News, water is wet!
>>342703206
>Man the 80s were just a total shitshow.
The CD wars that lead to the CDi started in the 90s
>>342701903
good for sony though (and the consumer)
honest. more competition is good. Nintendo was only ever successful when the competition sucked anyhow. they got lucky.
>tfw Microtendo ALMOST happened
Sony dodged a bullet there, they would never have survived 6th gen
>>342703247
They started in the late 80s.
>>342702801
>"BUT IT WORKS FOR ME SO IT MUST WORK FOR EVERYONE ELSE!"
kill yourself
>>342703001
>Also imagine Nintendo would have teamed up with Microsoft.
>That would have been funny
They nearly did. Yamauchi did have meetings with Bill Gates and already had dealings in the 90's (MS Made the infrastructure for Satellaview). Gates eventually wrote down a number with the amount he would pay out for Nintendo. Yamauchi looked at it and apparently had to take a week off on Vacation to think about his options. Eventually he declined because he believed the GC would have been a better project and chose to gamble on that instead.
He lost and had to step down as CEO of Nintendo in 2003 due to the Gamecube's terrible performance and because they were fined a massive amount by the European Union due to anti-trust business practices and the FTC in the US had almost been about to do the same.
>>342703324
Not that guy but youre fucking retarded if you think that doesnt work the other way around
I literally never knew that was a thing that happened until this thread.
>>342703395
From what I read Yamamuchi told Gates that Nintendo was in too good a shape for him to consider selling out. I don't remember anything about the week long vacation, Gates was turned down pretty flatly.
>>342703558
Depends on the biography or the source, really. But the one froom Dean Takashi was that Yamuchi didn't refuse point blank and genuinely did go off to think about it because while Pokemon was a beast. They didn't have full rights to it and the N64 underperformed considerably compared to the SNES. They managed to make a lot of enemies with developers with how locked down their SDK's were as well.
So it's probably in the middle. He didn't go on vacation but he did take time to think on it
So basically
>Sony is uninterested in working in the gaming industry and would rather focus on other tech
>Find out one of their biggest hardware engineers has been secretly working on a sound chip for Nintendo's system
>Decides to let them use the chip for their console and work together
>Nintendo comes to Sony about working together on a CD based console
>Sony agrees and has them sign a contract
>Sony announces the partnership with Nintendo at CES
>The next day, Nintendo says fuck Sony, breaks contract and announces a partnership with Philips at CES
>Sony fucking tells the Engineer to fucking make a new console and make a new brand to fight Nintendo back with
>Sony wipes the floor with Nintendo and then basically says "bruh, look at this dude" with their advertising
Nintendo created their worst enemy with Sony, and then created a really mediocre opponent with Microsoft
>>342704085
>tfw Nintendo's ignorance killed the industry
>>342699670
Microsoft had a console before the Xbox newfags.
>>342703172
I cant stand amibos but it was a pretty good decision considering the average nintendo fan eats up anything they shit out
>>342704235
>being this retarded
>>342703102
What can you expect from a company who's last two consoles featured dildo controllers with included Shove It Up Yo Ass Technology?
>>342703172
except amiibos are a huge success
>>342704471
you mean move?
>>342703457
>I literally never knew that was a thing
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/sony-settles-ps2-class-action-suit/1100-6139482/
>>342704754
PS station? That ABAP shit straight from Acetown? Yea, I know about it.
>>342699670
Are you retarded? Sony literally almost did the same thing with the original PlayStation.
>>342704235
that was more like konami's unofficial console
>>342702683
oh god im so glad im not the only one
i had it repaired FIVE fucking times, and just ended up getting a xbox hueg in the end which I had until like 2010
>>342704895
My PS2 and pretty much all my friends PS2's are going still going strong. Stop trying to make it seem like a huge issue when it wasn't. Half those people including you probably treated your consoles like shit and alowed all kinds of shit to get in there and wreak havoc
>>342705327
>so glad im not the only one
You shouldn't be glad this shit even happened to begin with. Fuck Sony and fuck their fans who deny it ever happening to anyone.
>>342705470
It's weird because the PS1 was actually known for breaking constantly, too. It's not that weird that the PS2 would also have these problems.
Hell, everybody knows the upside down PS1 trick.
>>342705604
PS1 were not known to break constantly, you and that other faggot are more concerned with trash talking sony than being rational and my rationale leads me to believe you either 1, bought a faulty system or 2 treated your consoles like dog shit and seek to place the blame on others.
If you think ps1 or 2 had high failure rates you are just lying, they aren't known to have high failure rates.
>>342705854
>bought a faulty system
Yeah, that's totally my fault and not Sony's, right?
Keep defending the PS1's that had a plastic laser assembly which would melt.
>>342703195
They did.
That's how they built the Xbox.
The PS2's failure rate was majority caused by the first batch having to rush out shitloads of consoles to meet demand
>>342699935
No, more competition is better for the consumer.
>>342705917
>Yeah, that's totally my fault and not Sony's, right?
Yes it is your fault. Sony can do no wrong.
NX STANDS FOR "NINTENDO XBOX"
>>342705854
>more concerned with trash talking sony than being rational
>treated your consoles like dog shit and seek to place the blame on others.
>place the blame on others
>place the blame on others
>place the blame on others
You mean like what you're doing with them? Sounds to me like you're a biased hypocrite who can't accept that their favorite companies system wasn't perfect for everyone
.
Why the fuck would anyone purposely damage their systems to cause disc read errors? The answer? They wouldn't you dumbfuck.
>>342699670
don't mind me
just passing by
>>342708185
oh i think i forgot something
there it is
cya
>>342705421
>My PS2 and pretty much all my friends PS2's are going still going strong. Stop trying to make it seem like a huge issue when it wasn't.
It was a pretty fucking huge issue, PS2's failure rate is commonly listed as one of the main reasons as to why it sold so much. Hell, when RRoD started happening people wondered if it was going to be just as bad.
>>342704085
You make it sound like Sony only did a console to spite Nintendo instead of seeing it as a good investment.
>You no wanna make deal with us? We screw you in market
>>342705854
>If you think ps1 or 2 had high failure rates you are just lying, they aren't known to have high failure rates.
Rewriting history day by day folks.
I wonder when will I start seeing people arguing that Sony are actually pretty honest and have never had a reputation of blatantly lying to the customer.
>>342708384
Sony's executives didn't want to get into the gaming industry at the time, they didn't feel it was worth the investment, Nintendo stabbing them in the back made tell Kutaragi to start development on a console because they wanted to beat Nintendo at their own game
>>342699670
The first Xbox was fucking great though.
The 360 is where the disappointment and jewry started. It was taking a fun road trip with friends and driving it off a cliff into a ravine.
>>342699670
And this is bad on MS how? If anything Nintendo and Sony dismissed an opportunity to have another company "under their wing" and preventing them from becoming a competitor in the first place.
>>342709374
>And this is bad on MS how?
Oh you silly boy, because this is /v/.
It's always wrong if Microsoft does it.
It's always ok if Sony does it.
Nintendo is always doomed.
>>342699935
No, monopoly is never good because since there's nobody that treatens their market whatever company will quickly get lazy and jewish on their products since they don't even have to try.
>>342703251
You sounds like you weren't even there back then.
>>342706061
I don't see how consoles are good for the consumer.
>>342710045
because then they would have had less competition among themselves and could have easily dictated a higher price on EVERYTHING.
And microsoft would have meddled in the console market regardless.
>>342699670
They also said no when valve approached them with an offer for a team up for what would become steam.
>>342705854
>PS1 were not known to break constantly
It's virtually impossible to find a SCPH-1xxx model PS1 that still reads disks properly without having to do some kind of trick like putting it upside down.
>>342708002
read retard
>>342705604
>It's weird because the PS1 was actually known for breaking constantly,
That's untrue or show me proof otherwise
>>342710630
>It's virtually impossible to find a SCPH-1xxx model PS1 that still reads disks properly without having to do some kind of trick like putting it upside down.
yeah NOW it is because its a 16 year old console not meant to last this long or show me a n64 or sega dreamcast that still works perfectly
>>342710479
>And microsoft would have meddled in the console market regardless.
This. Sega's Dreamcast OS was a lightweight Windows CE build and they supplied SDK tools for Sega. There were a ton of PC ports on Dreamcast like Soldier Of Fortune and Half-Life (Even though it didn't get released. It was basically done) simply because it was incredibly easy to run DX and Glide due to MS helping with the SDK.
Microsoft were interested in a gaming platform since Windows 95 where they even ported a bunch of games like Doom to Windows 95 (The one done by Gabe Newell). They always wanted to extend Windows to the living room. Getting involved in consoles was an inevitability.
>>342704593
It's a mistake because I don't like it
>>342709473
The fuck are you spelling cucklord? All of this started for nintendo
>>342705421
>>342705854
>REEEEEEEEE STOP SAYING BAD THINGS ABOUT SONY SONY IS PERFECT YOU'RE RUINING THE CONSOLES YOURSELF STOP TELLING LIIIIIIIIIES
>>342711161
>read retard
I did you stupid Sonig. The fact remains that you blaming people for breaking their systems makes me want to smash your face with a PS3 fat. Though at least that wasn't built like shit like 2 was. In fact it's still the only way I can even play PS2 games to begin with.
Also here you go faggot
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_(console)#Hardware_problems
Now get Sony's dick out of your ass for once in your life.
>it's a /v/ attempts to talk about business strategy/economics thread
As an economist, this shit is always just pathetic, keep it in /biz/ you fags
>>342699670
>tried partnering to avoid becoming the new Sega
>go "fuck it" and go in alone
>become the new Sega anyway
They already partnered with Sega before the Xbox. Dreamcast was running a custom version of Windows which enabled easy PC ports.
>>342711312
>n64
Nigga are you serious bringing that in? The Dreamcast I can understand, but a cartridge system?
>>342706061
That is true if the competitors are innovating and other things like that. Really they're just competing to see who can swindle the stupidest of the gaming community better.
It would be better for everyone if different physical consoles didn't exist anymore.
No porting costs, no sectioning off of the gaming user base that limits sales greatly for games, no more console wars, cheaper access to more games, developers make more money because all of the console base is able to buy your game.
>>342711312
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmpI6pondiI
Nintendium can't be broken.
>>342713076
>>342713017
>>342713076
>>342713219
He keeps getting BTFO each time he speaks. Wonder how long he can keep goalposting.
>>342713076
>2012 video
>>342713219
>a picture showing no gameplay
wooowee i'm surely btfo'd
>>342713960
>no gameplay
Do you not see Tetris on the screen?
They have that displayed at Nintendo World and it perpetually runs Tetris.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBeTXPaewMo
>>342712650
>Since only a small percentage of PlayStation owners used such televisions, Sony decided not to change the console design, and instead gave consumers the option of sending their PlayStation unit to a Sony service center to have an official modchip installed, which would allow it to play on older televisions.
>small percentage
>>342713960
The system was 16 years old in 2012. Its 20 now, you said they were 16 years old. Did you know there's a guy on Ebay who sells just PS1 parts?
>>342712650
>he problem appears to have come from poorly placed vents leading to overheating in some environments—the plastic moldings inside the console can warp very slightly and create knock-on effects with the laser assembly. The solution is to ensure that the console sits on a surface which dissipates heat efficiently in a well vented area, or raise the unit up slightly from its resting surface.
consumer error not sony error
>>342702683
Funny because the PS2 I've had since 2002 still works fine
>>342714192
Seriously?
https://www.gamefaqs.com/ps/916392-playstation/faqs/4696
Not the same issue but here is just an example of the kind of stuff you would have to do back in the 90s to get these pieces of shit working.
>>342714119
>Sony decided not to change the console design
What is PS1 slim.
>consumer error not sony error
Here we go again with your "It's your fault" bullshit. How many PS move controllers have you shoved in your ass today?
>>342703195
Ms helped end the Dreamcast and took what remained to Xbox.
>>342703984
I read that he had no intention of selling (and he told Gates) but wanted to meet Gates anyway
>>342714486
every sony console has a slim model what's yu point
>>342714767
>Decided not to
>They do it
You contradicting faggot.
>>342715034
5 years later
>>342712007
Windows CE were a set of libraries that developers could choose to use in order to develop games and those were loaded from the game disc. As you said, the main advantage was having Direct X 6, so porting was easier. Win CE was not by any means the DC OS, and the majority of the games used SEGA's SDK which performed a lot better and was still simple enough to not to be problematic for ports (the DC hardware was already quite "PC-like" in architecture). Microsoft got away with being able to print the windows logo on the console by providing WinCE somehow.
>>342712173
Then your life is a mistake
>>342715537In case it wasn't obvious I was being sarcastic
Fallout: New Vegas is now backwards compatible Xbros.
>>342714515
Shitty sales helped end the Dreamcast. MS salvaged what was left and rebranded it because they have the bank roll to barely profit if at all for years in the industry. Keeping competition alive. A Nintendo and Sony only world means less competition less western influence. Take the good with the bad on that last bit.
>>342714192
>DRE is consumer error
Quite literally drink bleach
>cucks
>>342699670
>tfw microshit and sonygger relied on nintendo
Nintendo should pull their heads out of their ass and partner to put their games on PC
then we can un-do Nintendo of America's censorship with mods, and Nintendo might actually sell games again instead of nothing but Amiiboo figs.
>>342716496
Nah. Nintendo are better on their own, really.
>>342716218
SEGA fell on their own yes. Microsoft wanted to get inside the industry (a la SONY) and saw that SEGA was not only a non-threat but also that they were experimenting with stuff MS were interested in, like online play. They could have bought SEGA the same way they would have bought Nintendo, but they knew they only had to get close enough to them and just accelerate the end of the DC when the time was right in order to get most of what they wanted from SEGA at the cost of pennies.
