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>Junkrat's trap does 80 damage, is instant and has more than 1hp
>Symmetra's poo gun
>Pharah has an unlimited ammo high damage Rocket Launcher that makes you bounce the entire map if it hits
>Reaper has no hard counter as of right now
>Bastion in PuGs in general
>Spamzo has a Tracer ult as his E
>Junkrat has a spammable high damage weapon
>Mei's ice cocoon
>Torbjorn in general if "played well"
>Widowmaker
>Tanks are perfect, except D.Va
>Being Zenyatta is suffering
>Symmetra's poo gun again
inb4 the git gud boogeyman comes to get me
this game tilts me to oblivion
GIT
>>342624687
I also want to add:
>everything in this game makes you bounce
>>342624687
>Reaper has no hard counter as of right now
Literally the worst offensive hero.
Fight me.
>>342624687
>Being Zenyatta is suffering
Heh
>>342626146
He's the best offensive hero for killing tanks.
McCREEE was his hard counter, but now it's barely the case.
>>342626436
I agree with the tank part. (Especially Reinhardt)
However, I main Winston as a tank, therefore his effectiveness is piss in the wind tier.
>>342626632
twinston is pretty effective still
>>342626632
I'll also add an IMO and say pub shitters can't seem to hear "Death Comes" so I'm stuck shooting him with my pistolly Mercy shootie tootie
>>342624687
Hey, asswipe. We called SHITFAGGOTS now.
>>342624687
Pharah beats Reaper ez
>>342626939
It's still not a hard counter, he can still hide in a building. Though, in a map with no building that is true.
>>342626849
His ult is pretty crappy nowadays since Pigboy genius is played more often after McCree's nerf.
>>342627085
If you want a character with no hard counter, you don't need to go any further than soldier 76.
>>342627116
Started noticing that too, though they always end up giving up enemy or ally.
pic related for hedgehog players
>>342624687
what are you talking about? in a 1v1 fight scenario you want people to live longer than 5 seconds?
the time to kill is already really long, especially when you add healers to the equation.
also if everything is "OP" then nothing is "OP"
>>342624687
>Symmetra's poo gun again
top jej i hate that brain dead tech support cunt
>>342627442
At least he requires a bit of skill to git gud with. You can't spam his right click (which surprises me in this game).
Reaper has 2 shotguns @ close range that require almost no aiming.
>>342624687
It took about 6 years to balance Street Fighter 4, and even then it wasn't even close to perfect.
Brood War was patched for even longer.
Even TF2, they never got everything right. There's always some sort of meta to things.
These things take time. Whether you like a game or not, balance isn't something that happens quickly, and it is never, ever perfect.
>Pharah has an unlimited ammo high damage Rocket Launcher that makes you bounce the entire map if it hits
You need to be good at aiming somewhat to do ANYTHING with Pharah. She requires nothing but your aim, she has no utility skills like the other Hero's have. If you have shit aim you can't even be a decent Pharah. Direct hits don't even knock you back, and her splash damage is pitiful.
>>342627985
>implying I said everything is op
I made specific points for a reason.
Some things like Rocket Lawnchairs and Grenade Lawnchairs are balanced around having a limited amount of ammo in other games, but in this game it's not.
Also, the amount of stuff I probably haven't covered is probably enormous, so really, this is a short list.
>>342628317
Fair points, but I still think my >>342628317 is true. What's aiming if you have infinite spammable rockets.
>>342628478
woops I meant >>342628346
>>342625325
GUD
>>342628478
But everyone else also has unlimited ammo, and most have quicker reloads/ more ammo per clip. If she is so OP, why doesn't everyone play her?
>>342624687
Things that piss me off in OW as of right now.
Roadhog's hook is the most overpowered piece of shit in the game, it allows you to isolate a target and essentially take them out the game for a whole respawn.
Tracer and Zarya are both extremely underplayed characters whose potential is extremely OP. Zarya and Tracer both can rape assholes if played by even the slightest competent player.
D.Va is just fucking awful.
Reaper is more of a defensive character than anything as his ult can stop a team push better than create a spot for his team.
Reinhardt's hammer has some insane ass phantom range.
Thats all really.
>>342628478
You can't spam as Pharah and be effective, the damage on her splash for her rockets is downright awful. You'd basically have to hit directly next to someone to get maximum damage on her splash, other than that the damage decreases very rapidly the further it is away.
Junkrat is another story. He can angle his shots over cover, bounce off walls, and his pills do 80 flat splash damage where as Pharah's do 13 - 80.
>people actually fucking complaining about reaper
The only balance changes we need are Zenyatta needs a HP buff and D.Va needs a very small buff.
That is it.
>>342628624
I've seen a lot of double Pharah lately, though. I might be biased because I'm perma-stuck as healer, but no one kills the bitch, ever.
I'm finding more and more I can't kill jack shit with Mccrees fan combo. Unless they have 200 hp or less exactly and you stun them while you're literally right next to them, it feels like they always live and escape. Goddamn his right click feels useless now. It's better to just line up a headshot, except most of the time you can't do that unless you perfectly sneak up on them.
>>342628758
Well, my only complaint is that they "removed" his main counter without adjustments.
>>342628763
>no one kills the bitch
This I'll agree with; no one even seems to notice her until you point her out. But just 76 can easily shoot her down if she's playing aggressively. I actually enjoy playing Hog and hooking them
>>342628696
As a Lucio player the phantom range makes me want to be a hero.
it's like it creates black holes that suck me into him or some shit
Lucio is the only overpowered character in the game right now. If you think otherwise you're a shitter
>>342629096
His only source of offense being some of the worst in the game balances his usefulness IMO. Least Mercy has a decent pistol.
>>342628867
Do you not stun, fan, roll, fan?
>>342628758
Zeny is fine
>>342629096
>Lucio
>Overpowered
he's one of the few characters that requires gitting gud to master. I don't get how he's OP
>>342629227
Like I said, most heroes can escape. I can hardly even get all my shots off on a mercy before she flies away.
>>342629292
Giving him 10 more HP would not break the game.
WILL I GET BANNED FOR ABUSING GLITCHES ON PS4
SOMEONE ANSWER ME GODDAMN IT
>>342628867
I'm pretty good at mccree, and after the nerf I just went to 76, since he's way more effective than mccree is now since I can aim and 76 does actual damage
>>342629227
Not him, but his point is that the normal combo is supposed to be Flash the Hammer without the roll
>>342629210
His offense is excellent in KOTH
>>342629294
His speed and heal auras make more impact than anything in the game. There's literally no reason to not ever pick him in any team
>>342629431
>buying an fps for console
>from a primarily pc game dev
nobody can answer your question because you're the only one who's that fucking stupid
>>342629431
Probably?
>>342629335
I don't know, I've been killed by good McCrees surprising me in my non tank heroes.
>>342629456
Well if you don't want to do the extended combo hit all your shots?
>>342629515
considering current comp games are more about who gets the better mercy rez i would say she has bigger impact on the game.
but yea lucio is pretty strong, but so is mercy, they just need to add more supports on their powerlevel.
>Pharah has an unlimited ammo high damage Rocket Launcher that makes you bounce the entire map if it hits
>Reaper has no hard counter as of right now
I know this is bait because you put these right next to each other.
they need to introduce a 175 HP tier and put Zen and Widow in it, at least
Why is Sym under support and not defense?
>>342629828
for the same reason that soldier76 is under offense and not support.
>>342628696
They should get rid of the hook combo, add a second in between hook release and firing. Hes got insane damage already, the hook is a buggy instakill. A little counterplay would be fine
Restore McCree's Fan damage, remove reload on roll but add i-frames.
Remove D.Va's critbox while in mech, or move it to the back, remove or reduce speed penalty when firing.
Everyone else is fine.
>>342624687
>reaper has no counter
>>342629647
actual organized games are entirely revolving around mercy's ult, it's a fucking mess.
I fully expect mercy to get some kind of ult nerf, and her other aspects buffed. Hopefully they do the smart thing and make her take an ult penalty when she dies, so picking her off actually does something instead of her just respawning first and rezing her entire team that died while she wasnt there to heal them.
>>342629379
It wouldn't be the end of the world, but if they buff him I'd rather they make him a better healer
>>342629889
Roadhog's an ult battery. He needs to be able to get quick shutdowns.
>>342629975
Her ult needs to charge SLIGHTLY slower, not too slow though else Lucio will be literally the only good support character.
>>342624687
All I hear is WHaaaa WHaaaH Whhhaaaaaaaaaa!
>>342629889
yes, roadhog can kill shit fast in a combo, but Roadhogs existence (a 600HP big ass target) already gives everyone on the other team Ult faster.
that's why he is balanced.
if roadhog had HP and hitbox like Mccree, then he would be broken.
>>342629896
Add Mercy's ult animation needs to finish before successfully rezzing teammates
>>342629889
>buggy instakill
i think you miss the point of the hook
>>342630143
>a character who dies almost instantly to everyone else in the game needs an ult who has a casting time
no, then she would never get to use it.
>>342624687
Mei is pretty much a hard counter to Reaper, bud
>>342630041
>better healer
increase the harmony orb duration off-screen to 5 seconds, he needs nothing else
>>342627442
no hard counter sure, but he isnt instant death to anyone, if you zone him into close range properly with a sniper, he will get munched by macree, reaper, mei, any of the tanks, genji.
>>342630293
It shouldn't work instantly. Flying in, presssing q, and dying instantly should not be viable and yet it wins games.
>>342629523
>buying a video game for a video game system
>retarded
WOW YOU FUCKING NIGGER KILL YOURSELF
>>342630334
>be reaper
>slowly get frozen
>press shift to completely remove the freeze debuff
not really a hard counter m8.
more like a 50/50 matchup of neither one dying and being able to escape at ease before dying.
>>342630075
>charging too fast is the problem
No the problem is that it's instant you absolutely can no stop it.
>>342624687
Pharah's rocket launcher only does high damage on direct hits, the splash damage on the rockets are pitiful and she can be brought down almost instantly by a Soldier or a Sniper
>>342630465
it's her only reliable job
everyone elses ult can win the game too. Kill her before she gets in range then.
>>342630293
Gee, maybe reviving an entire fucking team is something that's stupidly powerful and not something she should be able to do for free?
Mercy's ult should being used to revive 1 to 3 people, not a free undo when you get completely wiped. Flying to a dead body and instant casting res and then dying instantly is cheesy as shit
>>342630540
I'm pretty sure you used to be able to shut it down in the beta. For something as strong as a revive she should have to finish the animation. I basically prioritize killing her now. Too bad my team doesn't seem too concerned about her.
>>342630567
>Mercy hides behind a wall right outside her spawn while literally her entire team is in front of her at the point so you'll just explode if you try to run past them and get her
>Kill all or most of them
>She presses W, Shift, Q
>Even though everyone started shooting her asap she still gets it off and her team is back
How are you supposed to reliably counter this
>>342626884
worse than ASSFAGGOTS.
>pharah's rocket launcher
>high damage
>>342630374
Perfect
>>342624687
>Junkrat's trap does 80 damage, is instant and has more than 1hp
You can still destroy it
>Symmetra's poo gun
Just move out of the way nigga
>Pharah has an unlimited ammo high damage Rocket Launcher that makes you bounce the entire map if it hits
Everyone has unlimited ammo ???
>Reaper has no hard counter as of right now
Mei
>Bastion in PuGs in general
Only low skill players have trouble with Bastion, even Blizzard confirmed it
>Spamzo has a Tracer ult as his E
???
>Junkrat has a spammable high damage weapon
Can't 1 shot any hero
>Mei's ice cocoon
Free kill if you're not retarded
>Torbjorn in general if "played well"
Again only a problem to low skill or console players
>Widowmaker
Nerfed already
>Tanks are perfect, except D.Va
Already being addressed
>Being Zenyatta is suffering
That's what you get for picking an Omnic
>Symmetra's poo gun again
seriously move out of the way wtf is wrong with you
>>342630752
>>342630679
Without her ult being as good as it is she'd be fucking trash. There'd be no reason not to pick Lucio when you can't bring back most of your team semi-reliably. It's the only thing she has going for her.
>>342630752
This. It needs to be a fucking channel, if she dies immediately, then everyone needs to be revived with all their abilities on cooldown and like 10% health.
There should be a punishment for being bad at an ult, just like with every single character besides mercy.
>>342630752
1. have sniper aim at the enemy because it takes them at least a second to move after the golden rez wears off
2. use your own ult after their rez finishes like zaryas.
>>342630752
if she gets a mass rez, they are all close to each other and you can get easy kills with a single ult like zarya / reaper / mccree.
if you used all your ults to kill the enemy team the first time then thats your teams fault.
and it's also your teams fault for going all in before killing the mercy, or not focusing the mercy.
>>342631005
>Not her fast healing and damage boost
She would still be a good healer.
>>342631109
She'd be mediocre when Lucio is amazing.
>>342630909
granted, it is high damage if the pharah can aim a rocket to your face.
>>342630993
is this a copy pasta or are you this retarded
>>342631149
>>342631109
lucios speed boost is just too good.
it's dumb that he's the only character that can increase speed.
>>342631005
No she wouldn't
she has the highest single-target healing ever, a fantastic damage boost and a bullshit unpunishable ult that she can fill back up faster than anyone else in the game in like 1 minute
>>342630993
>i am going to destroy junkrats trap as he detonates it one second after throwing it in mid air
>>342630292
I wish the point of the hook would miss me
>game goes into overtime
>enemy touching the point for even a single frame completely resets the overtime meter, instead of having it pause or climb back up
>reaper can float to the point completely invincible and stall
>mei can waste four full seconds while invincible
>every single game ends in a clusterfuck of overtime, until someone earns an ult that manages to teamwipe hard enough to end the game
>most of the game is completely irrelevant, only the clusterfuck at the end matters
This system is fucking awful
Symmetra should be able to place her turrets on friendly players.
>>342626884
That reddit acronym maymay makes no sense at all.
You can't say it's "hero inspired" and then describe it as Team Fortress afterwards. The correct way would be "Team Fortress Inspired Hero Action Game Going on Two Sides", but even then there's no reason to point out "Heroes" (classes) when you already described it as Team Fortress.
>>342631334
>detonate
>trap
>>342631005
That's exactly why most people are wanting an ult nerf and other parts of her buffed.
>>342631451
>place it on their faces
>they can't see shit and then they got shot in the head
shut up faget
can't wait for the weekly brawl that removes ults.
i just want to see what it's like.
>>342630752
I've got it.
>Res activates instantly, starting every character at 20% health
>the longer the animation goes, the more everyone's health refills
>fully finished animation = full health for res'd teammates
>If Mercy dies mid-animation, whatever heal % it got to is where everyone stays
>>342631321
Her ult is fucking fine. Death timers in this game are so short that most of the time you won't be able to bring back more than 2 or so people. If you're team is coordinated enough that you all die in the same area/time, then you should be rewarded with that huge rez
>but she made my sick team kill Q irrelevant
Good, that's why it exists. This is her best and most important job, taking it away from her/making it more difficult when everybody can press Q and rack up kills almost effortlessly anyway would be retarded.
>>342631398
That fucking overtime is straight cancer sometimes. If we're going 99% to 0% on a KOTH, there should be no fucking overtime. Matches should nearly be instantly over if both percentages aren't int he later part of 75%.
Its also super infuriating to have the first point held until the last second, get stuck in Overtime, and then suddenly the team has 7 minutes added to the clock. There's no reward or punishment for having a good defense/poor team management. If anything for that solution, they need to give the first point more time, and the last point less.
>>342626632
>I play a hero that counters him, therefore he sucks
Wow, that's a pretty fucking dumb post.
>>342631662
a whole lot of reinheart swinging a hammer
widowmaker wondering where the fuck everyone is
junkrat being junkrat
winston dying like a dork
hanzo knowing where everyone is but not coming out of the doorway or getting kills
tracer wondering why the tanks aren't dying
lucio being an escort service like usual
mercy wondering why she is getting picked
>>342631794
it's not fine you dumb fuck, death timers are not short and you can easily bring back more than 2 people
you should be rewarded for playing skillfully - and she is not
even if she fucks up and somehow accidentally uses her ult - she can get it back in almost no time at all
not everybody can press q and rack up kills almost effortlessly anyway - that's a blatant lie
>>342631662
>dat slight belly curve
CHRIST WHY DOES THAT MAKE MY DICK SO HARD? MERCY'S GOT THE SAME THING
>>342631968
>not Roadhog and Widowmaker
>>342632081
>easily bring back more than 2 people
>your team is spread apart
>wandering into melee range of more than 2 people usually means you die before you can use it
I dunno about your games but getting 3 people in the same radius is hell, except for when someone ults and catches 3 or more together, which isn't that often in decent groups.
>>342631842
Of all the things to take from TF2, they forgot to copy how Overtime works.
>>342632136
childbearing hipbones
BOLTED
>>342632081
>you should be rewarded for playing skillfully - and she is not
not everybody can press q and rack up kills almost effortlessly anyway - that's a blatant lie
You're playing an entirely different fucking game. Almost none of the ults in this game reward skill whatsoever, unless you count pressing a single button in the right time and place with some coordination from your team skill.
In which case, guess what? Her ult would indeed require 'skill.'
>>342632136
no one on /v/ finds this attractive enough to impregnate
>>342626146
Widowmaker...
>>342624687
>Reaper has no counter
>except D.Va
So...you do know I will just boost up, defense Matrix and then blast your Reaper right in the face to kill in like two seconds when you ugly right?
>>342630970
>>342630374
What if Zenyatta's natural HP limit was 200, but he starts at 150 and slowly builds up to 200 via healing team mates?
>at Gamestop talking to friend who works there
>some dude hears us talking OW
>comments on Bastion being broken
>friend makes sarcastic comment
>guy walks away
>mfw people cry over Bastion
So easy to counter that if he legit poses a problem for you and your team, you're bad and your team is bad.
>>342632469
>go invunerable when d.va flies up
>run in circles around her because she can't turn for shit when firing
>blast her in the ass for massive damage
>she pops out of the mech
>a random shot from her little hand gun kills me
JUST
>>342632314
But almost all of the ults can be punished/stopped/avoided
except Mercy's free team reset button
>>342632605
OP here, and I main healer. Whenever I'm not, Bastion is never a problem.
I blame shitters
>>342632605
This. Though it becomes a problem when you have a Genji who isn't actively doing his best to ruin Bastion, or a Genji who thinks he can kill Bastion behind a Reinhardt and a Mercy healing him.
>>342632704
or you know... lucio ult, or zenyatta ult.
support ults are unstoppable on purpose. it's a design choice.
>>342632515
This
>>342632704
You realize if this wasn't the case she'd never be able to revive anybody right?
She would fly into where her team just died (most likely right where the other enemy team is) and die without doing anything. If it wasn't instant it wouldn't work or be worth it whatsoever.
People have suggested it making it a channel or bringing people back at only a certain % but it would be worthless then. Either you'd simply die or your team who got brought back blatantly weaker than the other team would die.
>>342632818
run at bastion/reinheart while reflecting is up, press shift so you go past both
turn around immediately and pop 3 stars into his weak spot. Unless he is a perfectly played bastion he should be dead unless reinheart is blocking him. Usually the reinhart is to the right or left a bit.
>>342630752
>Mercy suicide dives
>kill her
>team no longer has a healer, now at 0% ult, and is currently respawning
>send the rest of the team back to respawn
If Mercy wants to enable shitters to die all over again, that's fine. Free Ult.
>>342632878
Lucio's Ult can be stopped
>>342632878
lucio can be stopped before he gets his ult off
and no it isn't a design choice, it's an oversight
pun not intended
>>342632960
The only real nerf it needs is charging slower so the mercy has to be more careful when choosing to use it
>>342632878
You can stop Lucios though.
>>342633025
That works great in theory, but most of the time Genji just eats shit or Reinhardt blocks
Remember, Genji players skill either range from a tree trunk or a mlg, most falling towards a tree trunk.
>>342632960
so then cut the recharge time so that she can't use it literally whenever the fuck she wants with almost zero consequences
>>342633038
>>342633048
>lucio activates ult
>have to kill him before he reaches the ground
>mercy wants to ult
>have to kill her while she uses guardian angel to fly in
yea i guess mercys ult can be stopped too.
>>342632878
You can remove zenyatta from his team using roadhog/reinhardt
You can kill lucio before his ult gets off.
>>342633230
>Let me move the goalpost
lmao, also zenyatta's ult can be stopped by rein's charge.
>>342633230
>Audio cue
>Can turn and kill/stun him
>Mercy is behind a wall waiting for her team to die
>Audio cue
>They're already up
>>342624687
>Trap
Yeah that's not his trap.
>Use Lucio's ult
>Get knocked up in to the air 50 ft
>Die before I hit the ground
>>342633230
>roadhog grabs mercy as she is trying to fly in to rez
>>342633230
she doesn't need to fly in all of the time though, the range on her ult is bigger than you idiots are making it out to be and she can still use it without line of sight
fuck sakes, she can use it on some maps on defense from inside of spawn and then get to her team before the invuln wears off
>>342632960
There needs to be a way to counter it. She can revive a team through a wall, and be out of sight. You can revive your entire team through spawn on some maps.
If she literally dies the second after pressing Q, or get pulled/stunned/pinned there needs to be a consequence.
come get'chur armur
>>342624687
>playing symmetra
>set up great turrets to prevent flanking
>assholes stand right next to them and eat splash damage which instantly destroys half of my turrets
This is why I play soldier 76 only. I can't be assed to rely on these fucking morons
>>342624687
All these complaints and nothing about the latency. You lucky LAN partyer you
>>342633260
>zenyatta won't move away from reinhearts shield
>>342633373
Nah, I do mean his trap that snares you for a long time.
I find it pretty silly that it has more than 1 hp since it's already hidden.
Also, 80 damage on an ability that's already that useful is kind of overtuned
>>342633495
Fukken charge his ass and give him the manly pin.
>>342633380
There is a short window after the stun where he doesn't immediately shoot and she can still pull it off because it is instant.
>>342633489
Oh, I forgot that. I get killed through walls most of the time.
>>342631081
that's a bingo!
>>342633482
>expecting the turrets to do anything other than be passive damage and status effects
wew lad, that stopped being a thing at 5 hours. Your bread and butter is putting them in places above health kits and choke points, and maybe get a free kill but more important know when someone is coming, and have a few hidden on the last point, while using your meme beam to jump around tanks and destroy them, and shooting balls of poo through shields.
>>342628758
>People unironically thinks Zenyatta needs an HP buff
Zenyatta already shits out damage with Orb of Discord, if he was any buffer he'd be retarded. If anything he should get a speed buff when Harmony Orb is currently on someone.
>>342633631
That window is super jank, and isn't always there.
>>342624687
>he doesnt know junkrat is shit
just stop walking through his hallway
>reaper has no hard counter
mei, zarya, mccree
>>342633851
no and it's really odd but considering you're playing mercy you're probably a slippery enough cunt to pull it off.
>>342633809
I could get behind that. Or like a short yoga teleport.
>>342630909
Pharah's rockets do 120 on direct hit. That's a lot of damage.
>>342633868
>implying I'm ever staying in his hallway
>implying Reaper can't just wraith form away from these 3
>Memerat can get headshots
Remove this.
>>342633809
His fucking damage is crazy, I always thought his personal damage needed to be nerfed a bit, and his discord and harmony buffed.
>>342624687
>nothing about roadhog
>300 health heal that is fast and can be used while he's being attacked
>hook into left click is an instant kill basically
>>342633868
Mei freeze is reset by wraith form, that is more of an even match.
>>342633868
>junkrat is shit
spotted the mei player who froze herself and reappeared in a bear trap
>>342634037
>Widowmaker can get headshots with the assault rifle
>>342633378
>>342633378
>Use Lucio's ult off a rooftop
>OH LET'S BREAK IT
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>DOWN
>Team goes nuts with their new found heals and armor from my sayan level crash
>We still lose the first point in Kings Row
wew lad
>>342630334
I always felt like its the opposite. Any time i have trouble with Mei I just swap to edgemaster and shit on her.
>>342634037
>eating a grenade to the face shouldn't hurt
>>342634126
>mfw when setting a trap down and tracer runs into it
>every
>single
>time
>>342633868
Roadhog is also a hard counter to Reaper, since the hook nullifies his escape, or forces his ult off.
can we talk about how every single one of Mei's abilities is overpowered?
>close range
get frozen and fucked. only can be stopped with teamates
>long range
get sniped and fucked
>can be invincible and heal while doing so giving her the ability to avoid any and all ULTs
>ice wall
just fucking annoying
>>342624687
>Symmetra's poo gun
Stopped reading there. You clearly have no knowledge of this game
>>342634170
>Headshots with bullets
Fine.
Explosives shouldn't grant headshots that's fucking stupid. Fuck outta here.
>>342634235
Yeah it's not like he does enough damage with a single grenade to begin with, right, mate?
>>342634073
they don't speak about him much because the counter to roadhog is being a huge target that people can use to speed up their ult generation. I don't necessarily agree that much because killing anyone can be just as fast ult generating but maybe they shit at aiming and need a fat target.
>Torbjorn will forever be the most disliked, forgotton hero who will ever get epics or commends in years.
>All of this is because Blizzard were too lazy to implement a sidecam for turret kills.
>He will never be used in pro tournies ethier.
>Will forever be called the ez hero even though his gunplay is on the harder end due to bullet drop and precision
>all because he has an auto-turret that requires good positioning and even then can be countered by 6 other heroes at least.
>Blames himself for the omnic war or at least how much damage they caused.
Torbjorn is truly a life of suffering.
>>342634051
Zenyatta is fine where he is, if he needed any sort of buff it would be a speed one. Zenyatta behind a Reinhardt is exceedingly dangerous due to Orb of Discord. He's a Tank melter like Reaper.
>>342634313
She gets countered really easily.
Only thing I think needs to be worked with her is her cocoon should be able to be broken and not be able to contest.
>>342634361
Poo gun as in Indian, not "Shitty gun," retard.
>>342634259
>tracer lands in the trap
>takes a grenade to the face and her body goes flying 200 yards into orbit
why does anyone play anything else
>>342634009
>implying most people can land direct hits, most just grind you down with shitty splash damage, which is fucking piss poor desu
>>342624687
>She would fly into where her team just died (most likely right where the other enemy team is) and die without doing anything. If it wasn't instant it wouldn't work or be worth it whatsoever.
Literally a good thing. She shouldn't be able to blindly fly in with no regard to the surroundings and still get to rez everyone. She should be forced to position herself intelligently.
>>342634397
>All of this is because Blizzard were too lazy to implement a sidecam for turret kills.
No, the people must live with me walking around spraying "Thanks" and shooting a Lucio every time.
>>342628317
>she has no utility skills like the other Hero's have
I hope for your sake you are not a Pharah player. You are right that she relies on direct hits, but her concussion rocket is one of the best utility powers in the game
>people actually complain about reaper
>yfw more than one player dies to junkrat dying
>>342634458
what is her counter
>>342630752
Bruh just shoot her bro :^) if you can't counter Mercy you're plain bad at the game this includes all people of C9 t. Mercy main redditor :^)
>>342634037
Everything i've read said Junkrat cant get headshots.
>>342634397
I play a lot of Torb and I feel this pain through the character.
I wanna give him a hug.
>>342634525
>its ok if her direct damage is absurd because no one can aim anyway lmao
Fuck you, guy. I do love Pharah though, its so satisfying to melt people with her rockets.
>Lucio is currently the most OP motherfucker in the game
>carries the entire team - can make or break a push just by being there
>no one sees him in his killcam and no one plays support so they don't know to complain about him
feels good man
>>342634525
There are good Pharah's out there and they are terrifying. Her damage is fine where's she's at, there should be at least ONE Character in this game that requires good aiming and leading shots.
>>342634645
Not standing next to her
>>342634645
Roadhog, Junkrat, Pharah, Reinhardt
Roadhog especially because she can not do enough damage to him, and he heals it back. And everytime I see it ingame, it warms my heart to see her panic.
>>342634659
>Switch to Roadhog
>Flank
>Hook Mercy and one shot her
>Switch to Pharah
>Flank them and then boost up
>Shoot down Mercy in 2 to 3 shots
That's how I usually take care of them
>>342634663
>Full health
>Junkrat shoots at me
>Watch a pill hit the ground in front of me
>Bounces up in to my face
>Get oneshot as McCree
Yeah? Then nerf his fucking damage because that's horseshit.
>tfw tracer sticks her mine on your mercy's ass
and they say they need to nerf me. If tracer sticks a sticky mine on your butt, you are going to die in 2 seconds no question.
>>342634259
that's a big gif
>>342634942
Rockets don't get crit damage. Junkrat's pills DO however do 120 damage on impact. So not only does he get 80 flat splash damage, can bounce pills off corners, can fire them over cover, can just spam them into a point from a safe distance, but he also gets 120 damage on direct hit.
>>342634908
Yes that may work in pubs but not in fucking organized teamplay
You will NEVER get to a mercy unless the entire enemy team is dead in comp scenario
>>342634942
something else had to hit you.
Be it splash from another orb, or even his mine.
Orbs do max 120, they cant one shot him
>all these people saying mccree nerds removed reapers hard counter
What. Unless you are bad, the nerve should do nothing about your ability to kill reaper.
>>342634985
>ult as the mine is dropped on you
>revive team but die
wow you sure showed us.
>Roadhog hooks me from 6 miles away through a wall
>Reinhardt hammers me frok the other side of the planet
Nothing tilts me harder
>>342635150
*nerfs x2
Fuck autoc.
>>342635108
Then pick Widow and snipe her. I know it's easier said than done, but there are ways.
>>342635227
>she uses her mine before the team fight starts
>no one to rez
life is suffering
>>342631451
>5 symettras slapping all their turrets on a D.va
>She then flies right up to the enemy team and cuts through them all like a hot knife in butter.
yes
good
>>342635382
is this a thing? never tried this
>>342634394
It's because he has the biggest health pool in the game which he can burst heal 50% of. You don't charge ult off of other heroes anywhere near as much because they can't eat thousands of damage without dying like Roadhog can.
I agree with Reaper. At first I thought the McCree nerfs were great, but after playing a little more Ive noticed he got over nerfed. Hr cant deal with squishies how hes supposed to. hes pretty shit actually.
>>342626632
Reaper is literally the hard counter to Winston
get out of your shitty MMR.
>>342635506
No. Read the post he was replying to.
>>342635506
I wish.
>>342631008
>just like with every single character besides mercy.
>Widow, McCree, Reaper, Pharah, Genji
There's quite a few characters who don't get punished for shit ults.
>>342635243
>playing Rein
>corner three enemies and activate ultimate
>nothing happens
>charge at them
>get killed
>killcam shows the exact same thing
>playing against Rein
>accidentally pins me from the other side of the map
every time
>>342635531
it works both ways though, a mercy on defense with a roadhog will have her ult up in almost every single engagement and as such can just rez every fight. pretty broken on certain maps
>>342635578
I don't get this opinion. He still kills a squishy with one fan, you just have to actually aim now, instead of it being "press e to kill". I still play him a lot, and he still shits on squishies.
>>342635676
Reaper dies for a shit ult. Like instantly.
>>342632605
A smart team defending their Bastions is undefeatable on pub servers.
It's not simply a matter of "just go genji brah" if the opposing team knows how to keep their Bastions alive.
>>342635290
Mercy is auto include in every tournament, and every end card in tournament games has a "12 resurrections" mercy card in it.
She's overpowered, it's just how it is.
>>342635506
>>342635506
found the pub player
>>342635676
Is this a fucking meme
>McCree, loud, slow, open to damage and fucking glowing
>Reaper literally screams and can be yanked or pinned or just killed
>Pharah - JUST--AAAAGGH
>Genji - just eats shit
>>342635676
What. McCree and Pharah eat shit if they misuse their ults. Reaper and Genji can also be shut down or mistime the ult.
>>342624687
>reaper has no counter
What is literally every character that can fight at range?
>people finally noticing how awesome Junker is
>only took a full month
>>342635676
reaper and pharah get punished the most for shit ults
>>342635912
>i have to play symmetra to be not a pub player
>>342635692
I hate how inconsistent shit is in this game
>Playing pharah
>at low health
>turn a corner and see Roadhog
>fuck nope
>fly up and try to concussive blast him away
>he right clicks me and I die
>death recap shows me standing there doing nothing
>>342633435
>there needs to be a consequence.
You mean like her being dead?
>>342635780
True, but that's just because of his big health pool, which also means he takes forever to heal to full. I think of it this way: someone shooting Roadhog from 600 to like 300, then he heals and is back to max, then eats 600 damage again. That's much faster than a Mercy sitting there healing him from like 2 health to full.
So imo the enemy still benefits more from your health pool than a friendly Mercy, provided you have one.
>>342636037
Everybody has known about cheese rat since launch you hipster fag
>>342628696
>Zarya
>Underplayed
I see her every game if not every other game. The reason there aren't enough Tracer's is because no one has enough brain power to down the turrets so tracer can roam free.
There is way too much Reaper. When Blizzard nerfed McCree and Widowmaker they effectively buffed Pharah and Reaper into the skies. Pharah is still managable but Reaper is a monster now.
>>342629654
Reaper doesnt need to be out in the open. if the other team has a 76 you can kiss killing that reaper goodbye since theyll have you on lock down assuming they have a brain. now if they dont and pharah tries to counter reaper all he needs.to do is not be out on the open. now all of a sudden he needs to just peak out and fuck anyone up without being punished at all.
>>342624687
Who knew that a game where countering someone just means throwing a rock at their scissors would be frustrating.
>>342636086
>killed by someone I cant see
>killcam shows them just barely off to my side
>>342631842
>then suddenly the team has 7 minutes added to the clock.
The greatest time you can gain of a checkpoint is three minutes.
>>342630334
>Start getting frozen
>deal some smaage to her
>shift
>all she can do now is heal herself
reapers cd is shorter. reaper will pretty much always win.
>>342624687
>Nearly 80% of the cast isn't equiped to fight a great tracer or genji player
>Widowmaker ult still gives her entire team wallhack instead of just her
>Mercy ult is literally uncounterable besides killing her in the fraction of a second it takes her to fly in
>Junkrat nades have a hitbox not only while fired, but while bouncing and they still detonate
>Roadhog and Mcree have zero interaction kill states on 70% of the heros in the game.
>Hero stacking remains a thing despite it being complete and utter cancer, either imbalanced or matches become slogs to win.
This game has some serious issues.
Honestly I can deal with a fair amount of this but Tracer tilts me harder than anything, between equally skilled players she has such an advantage its completely unreal.
>git gud
Come back and say that after you play against high tier players, bitch is nearly untouchable.
>>342630752
McCree's HIGH NOON locks onto enemies while they're rezzing
coordinate you daft cunt
Zarya is the B E S T
>>342636498
Volskaya adds 5.
>>342624687
>tilts
What?
>>342628696
>Reinhardt's hammer has some insane ass phantom range.
This is more to do with the fact that 2D monitors have no depth perception and first person gives no compensating way to judge it, hence why melee is universally fucking awful in FPS games.
>>342633025
>Unless he is a perfectly played bastion
Or just turns around to follow you? You don't spin any faster than him.
>>342630993
>Mei
>Hard counter to Reaper
If the Reaper is shit, sure.
>>342636669
pic related
>>342629294
>heals everyone around him all the time
>has a very strong ult
>speed boost is pretty great
>he can fight and harrass at all ranges while doing all this
>alt fire makes him even more op on maps with pits near objectives
Even with all this I'm not sure he himself is OP, it's just that the other supports with the exception of maybe mercy are not nearly as good all around
>>342636878
Then why not just say mad? Is it another nigger thing?
>>342634543
>She shouldn't be able to blindly fly in with no regard to the surroundings and still get to rez everyone.
Agreed, stop being a shitter and kill her.
>>342636607
Tracer is the single highest amount of concentrated cancer in all the characyers in this game. And the worst part is being maximum cancer is rooted deep in her design choice, so its not a simple case of nerfing like it was with McCree and Widowmaker.
>2 tanks or 2 supports is super good yet no one wants to do it
Why
>>342637017
it's a term a lot of people use
>>342635813
But he keeps a large portion of his charge on that shit ult so it's no big loss
Why not make Mercy Ultimate requiereve vision?
>>342635918
>>342636002
>>342636057
But they keep most of the charge on a shit ult so it doesn't matter.
>>342637129
What "people"? I've never heard "tilt" outside of referring to a pinball machine.
>>342636607
>Roadhog and Mcree have zero interaction kill states on 70% of the heros in the game.
Explain
>>342637240
All but McCree have their ult meters drained in like a tenth of a second.
>>342637324
That's where the term comes from.
"Going on tilt," "Tilting," is basically when shit happens and you just lose and lose and lose and get worse every time because you're losing, etc.
>>342637398
Roadhog instagibs a lot of heroes
Same with McCree
I assume that's what he means
>>342633868
>Can completely deny any area of his choice unpunished
>Shit
kek
>thinking mei is a hard counter.
a good reaper will shit on mei, and will beat zarya.
mccree used to be the answer to reaper but since he does no damage anymore, hes not ananswer to anyone.
>>342637398
Hook and Flashbang, if you get hit by either and are anyone outside of a tank you are dead with nothing you can do about it.
>>342637324
not my fault you've never heard it said that way before
>>342637551
>>342637530
Oh, fuck alright. I see what you mean now.
>>342624687
Symmetra's gun literally makes fart sounds.
>>342636074
>little girls in tanks
Japan has no shame
>>342637062
Every annoying mechanic in the game can be traced back to her design.
Mcree flashbang being a stun
Roadhog hook
Torbj turrets auto-lock and firing
Widows used to be 150 bodyshots.
She is the reason I enjoy the game less and less as more and more people realize how fucking broken she is now that Mc-rightclick and Widow aren't easymode anymore.
Has Blizz said anything about Spamzo?
>>342636676
You take that back!Kicking Simulator 2006has great melee!
>>342633868
>Zarya
>hard counter to Reaper
huh? once her barrier is gone, her beam doesn't out-dps his shotguns. she's dead in 2 or 3 blasts.
>front line soldier in powered armor
>has the same HP as the squishy dance club healer faggot
Why is this allowed?
>>342634641
Feels good
>>342635796
he really doesnt, tracer you can still 1 tap with a flash+headshot, but Genji for example can just reflect your fan or your second headshot
>>342633868
Mcree doesn't hardcounter reaper at all anymore. Fan doesn't kill him in a flashbang, as long as he's holding shift you aren't killing him.
>>342637789
I don't know. He's definitly underpowered, but his E should still be changed since it does the damage of an ultimate if aimed right.
They need to remake him to be honest, I wouldn't know how though.
The most infuriating thing is a pro Genji
Impossible to hit, deals huge dmg, is everywhere, goddamn
>>342635796
the problem isallsix shots dont go off fast enough.
tracer, mei, reaper, mercy, lucio, pretty much anyone with somesort of mobility can get out before all six shots are fired.
and you need all six to go off for a kill. its too slow.
>>342637063
because it requires two good damage dealers. the other team will simply not die unless your two dds can aim.
>>342635796
>>342637923
He's still good but he no longer effectively does what he is supposed to do. They nerfed him wrong. You can still kill tanks just about as easily as before, but killing a Genji depends on if he was damaged before you stunned, otherwise he will get out free every time. Tracer on the other hand now completely boils down to if you can land a headshot in the stun(easy to do, people need to stop bitching) however its really up in the air if she jumps or dashes as you throw it.
They fucked up really hard with him.
>>342629889
Don't talk shit about best hero
>>342637907
Because unmatched vertical mobility and 120 direct hit rockets. If she had 250 HP or some shit she'd be the defacto offensive character in every situation.
>Tracer is annoying as fuck to fight but also fun to play
I think I'm a piece of shit
>>342624687
If everyone is op then there's no reason to nerf. Retard
>>342638021
I agree, Genji has an infinite amout of survivability in experienced hands
>>342637907
its built for flight
its probably not actually all that protective in order to be as light as possible
>>342637907
the armor is probably light. think about it. she needs to fly. it's probably used to prevent the thousands of bugs in the sky and protect her body from being rekt by the insane amout of wind resistance.
>>342637063
you need 2 ofensive heroes, and as a result your team's damage is heavily reliant on the acc of those two people
in other words, its hard to pull off with 1 weak link in the comp
>>342638359
Idk if people are gonna see this, but if you're thinking about making a post like this, I have this to say:
I've made these comments looking at the list of heroes. This list doesn't include all of the heroes, thus, kys
>Enemy has a good Tracer
>Entire game is WHOOPEE, YAHOO, WA-HAA! YA EVA GET THAT FEELIN' A' DEJA VU? HAHAH!
>>342636086
happends a lot with genji and tracer as well, dash/blink away but die anyway, and cam shows that you didnt even move
>>342638603
>Roadhog
>Land hook
>Shoot her in her stupid english face.
>Congrats, the britbong is dead.
What is the appeal behind this game? I played the beta and then borrowed it a few times from my roommate. I lost interest in it pretty quickly. There are only 3 game modes and barely any maps. How do you not get bored?
Overwatch seems to want to be a competitive game but the overpowered "Ultimate" abilities and in-game character swapping totally ruin that.
>>342637965
scatter is so broken
>aim at feet
>kill zarya
very awkward hero, overall underpowered but his kit is god tier
>put trap and mine on basketball
>melee it across the map
>detonate mine when you see it triggered
every time
>>342638851
I can dodge the hook on reaction, and im not that good with her
a good tracer can absolutly decimate a roadhog
>>342638851
>Throw hook
>She hits E instantly
Fucking horseshit
>>342637217
Because rezzing your whole team through a wall is fun
>>342638861
character swapping adds a really deep layer of strategy to the game
also, the appeal of this game is something called "fun"
>>342628758
Zenyatta is in a much better spot now after the Widowmaker nerf
Like other anons have said though, some form of mobility would be nice. Even though you're a backline character, just having some extra for dodging and crap would be nice. And also handy for during your ult.
>>342637217
Casuals
It was like this in beta and too many people bitched that they had to actually try.
Game was made to make the bottom feeders feel like they could do good at an FPS game first and competitive second.
>>342624687
I believe that Hanzo, Junkrat, Mei and Tobjorn need some changes, they are way too good.
Hanzo can hit pretty much anything effortlessly and do shitloads of damage with his ult, which is pretty much inescapable in some areas of the maps(especially playload maps).
Junkrat takes no damage from his bombs, even though Phara takes damage from her rockets. and his abilities are instant, you can simply spam those all around and get free kills.
Mei is pretty much unkillable unless she fucks up real bad. she also does shitloads of damage with her secondary fire and can hold an entire team without her ult alone. You pretty much need at least half of the team on her or else she ain't dying.
Tojorn's sentry has way too much range and during his ult his sentry gets way too much life and damage. he is so broken that on consoles he has a 70% winrate, you can make a team full of tobjorns and you will probably win.
besides that i just wished Lucio had a better Heal indicator besides the healing XP you get and a better quickchat, the current one is fucking garbage.
>>342639138
"This game is fun" is the worst fucking argument. What is good about it? What makes it fun? What sets it apart from other games like it?
>yfw you have two mercy on your team
HEROES NEVER DIE
HEROES NEVER DIE
HEROES NEVER DIE
HEROES NEVER DIE
>>342639138
OP here. The game's main mechanic, hero switching, is already bad considering the game balance is shakey right now.
That and muh forced healer + tank in that kind of game.
There's not much strategy when Hero A is better than Hero B in many more situations.
>>342639024
>>342639031
Yeah this tactic only works if you somehow manage to sneak up on a Tracer.
Tracer literally is the lowest risk hero and does stupid damage for someone who is just suppose to harass.
>>342639297
"This food is tasty" is the worst fucking argument. What is good about it? What makes it tasty? What sets it apart from other dishes like it?
>>342638021
I'm at the point where I can't bring myself to play someone without his mobility and deflect, i just feel defenseless.
>>342638395
>MADA MADA
>MADA MADA
>>342639223
>Junkrat takes no damage from his bombs
t. shitter who has literally never played junkrat
>>342624687
>Tanks are perfect, except D.Va
Yeah no, unfortunately Roadhog is not that good.
I mean he is perfect but hes not that useful compared to other tanks.
>>342639223
junkrat does take self damage from his nades, only the concusion mine doesnt
>>342639649
his mine literally does no damage to him, what are you talking about?
>>342639790
>>342639525
I'm sure food critics entire job consists of them saying either:
A)This is tasty
B)This isn't tasty
With no basis on their decision at all.
Hell, I'm not a food critic and if something tasted like shit I can tell you why. Ie. This dish is way too salty, this steak tastes sour, etc.
>>342639761
He's REALLY good as an Off-Tank, which is his role. He's not meant to be a main tank.
Played a king of the hill game against two reapers and a mei, never been so tilt before in my whole life
Reaper has no counter, even tracer is touch and go on him
>>342639848
But you're a game critic? Okay.
>play Pharah
>see enemy Widowmaker
>immediately shoot a direct rocket
>Widow hits me with full charged bodyshot, gets hit in the face with a rocket
>shoot another rocket except she's moving slightly now
>leaves me with less than 30 health after landing another bodyshot and dying to the second rocket's splash
>actually complains in allchat that Pharah is a low skill character because I "missed but still got handed a kill for trying hard enough"
I'm just glad bodyshot damage was nerfed or I'd have been dead in that situation.
What's wrong with Symmetra's gun? It's great for fucking with Reinhardt's shield, Bastion in turret mode and Torbjorn's turret.
>>342630334
L o fucking l.
I don't even have the game and only played the beta before it came out and shouted on mei all the time as reaper.
Anytime she does her giant freeze blizzard move on my group I would just phase thru adm kill her and her gun is ass for close range battles which reaper excels in
>>342624687
>"Overshit"
Ha ha i get it.
You took the first word of overwatch and you put your feelings towards the game as the last word instead of watch.
Your level of humor is Kaufmanesq.
>>342639943
Autolock is pretty dreadful when you try to escape and it also sticks from a decent range.
>>342624687
A counter to reaper would be Winston or Zarya or dva ain't it?
>>342637518
The term comes from poker you little shit
>>342636498
Anubis adds 5 I think
>>342639886
I never said I was. But that doesn't mean I can't apply critical thinking to my decisions in gaming. Anyone with a brain could.
I could tell you WHY I do or do not like a book/movie/video game/album/dish instead of just saying "it's good" or "it's bad".
>>342640320
L O L
>>342636676
Actually no it's the latency. You'll never get hits from the same range because they're actually closer than is being displayed.
>>342640320
Hard counter =/= soft counter
D.Va counters ults, but not the characters themselves. Pharah and Reaper for exemple still shit on her.
Zarya I don't get the meme about her countering Reaper
>>342640320
literally the other way around, reaper counter tanks
>>342640045
>suddenly reaper drops from above
>die die die
>put up ice wall
>only kills one person
>>342639862
>pick zarya
>work in tandem with a friendly roadhog
>have horrible nightmarish max charge dyke beam damage for days
I love that big cuddly pig man.
>blizzard putting ultrawide monitor support into the game in July
BASED
>>342640495
zarya doesn't counter reaper very well. He can even go invunerable during the ult
>>342640645
When's blizzard gonna add in "Don't fucking go to windowed mode when I alt tab you piece of shit" support?
>>342640495
if you time your shield correctly and eat a shotgun blast with it, you get 50% damage charge
at 50% zarya can out DPS reaper
>>342640797
Reaper can still Wraith Form away. Same reason why McCree doesn't do much to him now.
>>342639842
>>342639790
I literally tested this.
No, he doesn't take damage from his grenades you little shit
>>342640797
>approaches zarya
>be at less than 3 yards away
>she doesn't use shield
>do 360 and fly away
or
>approaches zarya
>fire a shot above her head
>she uses shield
>nothing happens and wait 2 seconds
>kill her with next 3 shots in the face
>>342624687
>>Torbjorn in general if "played well"
like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OQIVyuK4-I
also had this happen (near end is lol)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7pvMOGm_Gs
>>342640997
Please stop. We both know his grenades hurt him. Just stop.
>>342640797
>at 50% zarya can out DPS reaper
assuming you can keep that beam on him the entire time he's alive, whereas his shotguns require almost no aim.
>>342629431
what glitches
>>342635301
>Spawn and start running back.
>By the time you get there you can res 5 of your teammates.
Life is pretty ok.
>>342641172
>Get psyched out by Reaper and he won't shoot shield
>OK fuck you bomb jump away
>>342624687
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmSO2cz2ozQ
>>342640892
beam has long range, and you can always bomb him when he gets on cooldown
granted, its not a guaranteed kill, but it makes sure reaper is kept in check
overwatch is so much fucking bullshit. Anything that kills me is fucking overpowered and needs a nerf. Fuck those fucking retarded heroes killing me
>>342641258
this is blizzard
they will probably ban every game you have
>>342624687
overwatch is a shit game with a low skill cap no replayability a bad community and 20 tick rate
that said
reapers best counter is soldier 76, catch him mid range or blow him up with rockets
better option: play a fun game
overwatch isnt fun dont play it just dont its bad im warning you okay im done proceed with your shit memewatch thread
>>342639297
>Fun is just a buzzword
>>342640997
mine=/=grenades bitchboi
>>342641172
I mean shit, of course you can win engagements if you are a better player, its not automatic
this method implies both players know what the fuck they are doing
>>342639761
i really want to fuck roadhog
>>342641676
Reaper still has the easier side of the engagement.
>>342641240
if youre bad at the game, no "counter pick" will save your ass
>>342641484
Appreciate that, to be honest. I don't know what to go to, though. I'm stuck in meme games like LoL and Overwatch because my friends play them.
D.Va needs either a survivability or damage buff in some regard.
And then more consistency in which abilities offer warnings to the enemy team. Tracer's sticky bomb offers a warning, D.Va's self-destruct offers a warning but then Mei's Blizzard doesn't?
>>342639179
>Game was made to make the bottom feeders feel like they could do good at an FPS game first and competitive second.
>>342629925reinhardt
>>342641770
reaper up close always has the easier side of the engagement, he was designed that way
>Reaper
>no hard counter
Keep him at range
Stick together
Pay attention
>>342624687
>DIE, DIE, DIIIIIIEEE
>>342628317
>all you have is your aim
>with rockets that move faster than they do in quake, against enemies that move way slower
>>342641484
i'm glad you told me it wasn't fun because up until this point i thought i was enjoying it
>>342642284
I've never heard of those heroes before
>>342641706
Me first.
>10 million $ AAA flagship fps title
>no teamdeathmatch mode
Proof that /v/ will buy into early access games as long as its not advertised as early access
>>342642551
nobody likes team deathmatch
>>342642551
TDM would literally make some heroes useless, would be an awfull design decision
>>342642068
Reaper kills Reinhardt
i'm dropping this game
getting useless moba shitters on my team every time i queue up is suffering
Hanzo and Zarya are the only ones that frustrate me.
Hanzo because his arrow hitbox is just so fucking retarded
Zarya because her shield is fucking bullshit, also 200 shields
This game really fucked up with giving everybody unlimited ammunition
>>342632690
I think it's the funniest thing. I play a shitton of Dva and I probably have more mech deaths from Reaper than anyone, but he's one of the easiest guys to piss all over with the pistol.
It's like playing Roadhog vs Mei. It takes a bit to go through the dance, but you're guaranteed to win.
>>342642551
Wish I didn't get a false positive with the beta. Game got boring quick.
I wonder if infinite ammo will be a new thing that games ape off.
>>342642551
Who the fuck WANTS team death match aside from 15 year olds who want to show off their leet killing ability?
>>342643387
God save us if this becomes a common thing
Who else pharmercy combo?
>>342643387
they have already introduced universal ammo
why would it be such a far thing from infinite ammo?
Zen players just need some support from Torbjorn with his armor packs, his solution is in game already.
Mercy will win the game though, thats for sure.
>>342643601
for some reason I cant get good with pharah
she seems so simple yet I still keep dying to stupid shit
What's that hero that causes you to groan when its on your team?
I hate seeing Hanzo when im on the Attack team.
>>342645072
Hanzo, Mei, D.Va.
Just because they're bad.
>>342644365
Gotta aim well with her rockets and try not to be too big a target in the air. Use her concussive blast and regular rocket jumps to get around.
>>342645072
Hanzo and Dva, I haven't seen a useful Dva yet and the majority of the time hanzos are absolute garbage. I also hate seeing pick classes that never do their job and actually kill backline classes.
>>342645072
reaper
i've tried him and i just don't get it
>>342645269
you would cream your pants if i d.va'd on your team
>>342624687
>Reaper has no hard counter
Pharah and McRee disagree
>>342634265
Nigga Reaper eats Roadhog. Just wraith away.
>>342624687
Just play Genji
>>342645979
McCree doesn't counter him anymore. It's very 50/50.
Pharah doesn't hard counter Reaper.
Literally the best thing Blizz can do that'll just 'cast a wide net' over all the balancing issues is to make ammo limited and put in ammo drops.
Literally thats it. That fixes so many issues.
Suddenly aiming matters. Suddenly every missed Hanzo log is one less arrow you have. Suddenly you have to stop and think "should I waste my ammo throwing grenades down this possibly unmanned chokepoint?".
This ammo limit will count for turrets too, Torb can refill his turrets ammo with scrap or build a new one to refill the ammo.
>it's a "your team are shitters and you stand little to no hope of winning" game
>it's a "you've just joined a game where your team have already lost the first round and are well on their way to losing the second" game
>it's a "your team composition is shit and they just tell you to shut up when you try to make a suggestion." game
this game's depressing at times
I like to think I'm decent at Mercy and Pharah, but regardless of how well you do, there simply games you cannot win on your own because your team are so shit.
It's odd really, in HOTS it's very difficult for your team to be shit.
The only thing I hate about roadhog is either with the hitbox or tick rate that chain can hook you at the most bullshit angles or positions.
>>342626146
Genji counter him okay with shurikens from a distance and chasing him when he tries to escape, and a well placed headshot deflect when he leasts expects it.
Soldier is better though.
>>342646549
They're not in the business of making balanced games, they're in the business of making money. The game was literally designed with the biggest of casuals in mind and it's paying off.
>>342646768
Yeah I used to defend him but it's just pissing me off these days. The reach is godly and it's super easy to land. At least a Widowmaker has to land a headshot to instakill.
>>342646682
Me and my friend have had a real bad streak with getting paired up with idiots. It's not like we do poorly, nearly every game we carry hard as pharmercy and consistently get golds, play of the games, etc, but there's only so much 2 people can do versus 6. We just get paired up with the most useless of people, if we had a halfway decent team we would have no issues winning, but we get pick classes that never pick, roadhogs that can't land chains, zarya's that never shield, and useless hanzos and dvas. I'm hoping that if we get to a decent rank in competitive we might have a better chance of not getting paired with shitters. I don't mind losing, but it's not that fun when you lose because your team is awful.
>>342635676
>Pharah
>Doesn't get punished for shit Ults
Pharah's is probably the most punishable Ult in the game. There's a reason for the "JUST" picture.
>>342646682
You do get a great matchup once in a blue moon though. I played a match on Lijiang Control Center today where we were swapping overtimes for almost five minutes, it was insane.
I have 1000 coins, what should I buy?
Already bought Arctic Zarya to make her playable.
>>342647439
Raindancer / Thunderbird
or
Mechaqueen / Raptorian
Pharah has amazing skins
>People unironically defending reaper
He's fucking broken and absolutely no fun to play against
>Playing a tank
>Reaper comes at me, does an unbelievable amount of damage
>Once he's in danger of dying he instantly goes ghost mode and flies away to get a free health pack
>Oh, by the way mercy can heal ghost mode reaper even though nothing else can touch him, because fuck you
>Reaper now comes back and kills you
Seriously, fucking ghost mode should be nerfed. There's no fucking reason he should be able to pick up health packs and be healed while he's untouchable
>>342647439
Lucio's ribbit skin to make him playable.
>lose game
>get 4 golds, all except damage done
>I was playing Lucio
Name a worse case of terrible matchmaking. Protip:you can't.
>>342647232
You have to be paired with shitters in order for the usually all-randoms enemy team to have a chance. Coordinating with strangers on the go is an unexpectedly charming part of the pick-up games, a premade group has a huge advantage and being paired against a similar opponent (two grouped up and other randoms of similar skill) can't always happen.
>friends invite me to play with their group
>one of them included their girlfriend
>she plays widowmaker or bastion exclusively regardless of map or mode
>literally just staying in the same spot all the time never getting a single kill
>even when using bastion ult she just stands still shooting rockets across the map hitting absolutely nobody
I can't believe we won a couple of matches with that deadweight
>>342647803
>play a lot of support
>consistently get gold medals in objective time
They really need some kind of tutorial that goes over how objective gaming works.
>>342625883
how is that a problem?
physics bouncing has been missing from games and I missed it a lot. This is why all the old fortress games were the best, because they were all about raping peoples positioning with various types of physics blasts.
>>342647803
>win game playing lucio
>get a card for most healing for only 6k
>mccree gets a card for 4 gold medals
>carried the entire team
>i get all the team's commendations
i felt like an asshole, sorry mccree
>>342647893
We at least had a decent mix of win/loss when the game first came out, but the last three days with yesterday being a little better were horrendous. On the first two days out of about 16 or so games we won 4 or 5. They weren't decent losses either, they were games where we were the ones mostly doing everything.
>>342647278
and then you get games where the enemy team is just terrible and you win regardless
that's not fun either
>>342648095
It's not everything though. I played 76 and got a 25 killstreak on Lijiang flanking the enemy team before they could get to the control point. My objective time would have been 0 but I was still playing the objective.
>>342648319
Yeah, stomps in any direction really aren't fun.
>>342628158
>Reaper has 2 shotguns @ close range that require almost no aiming.
shittiest bait i've seen so far. Congrats
>>342628158
noob
>>342638021
>tfw I am that person when I'm really focused
Feels good when someone compliments me after a match. He gets so much shit as a hero and I like proving people wrong. He dominates at KOTH.
>>342640997
Stop testing in the spawn room, you stupid asshole.
>>342649374
KOTH against two Genjis is like Attack Payload against two Torbjorns or Bastions - not fucking fun.
>>342650052
It's piss easy to counter though, go double monkey. It's harder to counter double turret.
When the enemy team goes winston and chase my ass constantly I know I got to change character (unless we got a good reaper killing him for me)
>>342624687
>I'm a scrub the post
/r/ing the guy asking the mercy player to be his gf and asking her to cut off all contact with anyone except him
>>342650213
>two genjis, mei, zarya, lucio, and winston in the ilios ruins pit
>>342633809
>Instakilled by widow
>Has no options against Reinhardt who can 2 shot him in literally 1 second.
>Absolutely no mobility
>Orbs are line of sight, so you have no control of your healing when target moves positions
>Alt fire orbs do reduced damage and literally have no purpose when his normal orbs out DPS them
I love playing Zen, he is amazingly fun, but he is TOO glass without utility or a proper role.
175 health would make him bulk enough to not die at anything that sneezes wrong or have explosives.
A speed boost doesn't really do much, as unlike mercy it wouldn't help him keep his targets healed.
I'd say give him 175 health and the passive ability of levitation. Let's him take reduced splash damage, ignore junkrat traps, and Reinhardt's ult.
Or at least make his alt maybe heal him 15 health for every orb he hits or something. At the moment it's only function is to burst damage sentries from afar when poking around the corner. Nothing else
>>342651034
Lucio, reaper, winston, zarya, mccree
Go double of either winston or mcree to win, alternatively a pharah
>>342631398
>>342631842
Blizzard has gone on record to say they're looking to re-work the overtime system
>>342651386
winston+zarya+healer is the best all purpose core in the game
>junkrat roller does full damage
>if you walk over it it counts as a direct hit
fucking why
>shitters that don't even play against pros telling other shitters to git gud
>>342651137
>>Has no options against Reinhardt who can 2 shot him in literally 1 second.
This happens to most squishies, you're not supposed to be in his face unless you're reaper or roadhog.
Although as Zenny I've walked towards him while charging his rmb and unleashed it in his face several times, that's fun.
He does need a survivability buff though. The only thing the enemy team needs to rape him is a Tracer or Genji, both of them shred him effortlessly in less than a second.
>>342651701
believe it or not skill is a gradient, and not split between 'shitter' and 'pro'
>>342645072
>Tracers on Defense
>Zenyatta in general
>Symmetra in any mode that isn't defense and tries to convince people that it's LEGIT MANG
>Lucio, only when I see Mercy on the enemy team
These are the moments I am just convinced that these people have no intention of winning.
>>342651581
When I go Zarya and my friend go WInston we rarely lose. I just tell him to jump in and I shield him and I get charged instantly to melt our enemy team.
>>342651863
that's true, there is dogshit not dogshit, or pro, which means you play against pros...or are a pro player
glad we agree
>>342647696
not to mention Ghost mode lets him get away from both Roadhog Hook and Mcree flashbang
>>342651965
Tracers on defense can be great if they're actually good. Not many are though.
>>342633809
I was thinking that depending on how many orbs he has it gives him a speed buff. So if he discords a hero and heals a team mate he's faster. Still wish you could stack orbs
>>342652064
He's vulnerable for a short second when it ends, he can't reatliate during that split second but can take damage. Most people don't realize it since he's still in wraith form during that moment but just chase him and shoot at this exact moment, he dead.
Of course, easier said than done if he picks up a health pack meanwhile. But Soldier 76 generally shits on reaper.
>Try out competitive mode
>Can still hero stack
>Head hitboxes still busted
And people will take this joke of a mode seriously
>>342651965
Tracer on Defense is fine as long as
>they can land hits
>the enemy doesn't have Winston
>the enemy team is working together enough for a quick kill on their support to actually matter
>>342652443
>>Junkrat's trap does 80 damage, is instant and has more than 1hp
>>Symmetra's poo gun
>>Pharah has an unlimited ammo high damage Rocket Launcher that makes you bounce the entire map if it hits
>>Reaper has no hard counter as of right now
>>Bastion in PuGs in general
>>Spamzo has a Tracer ult as his E
>>Junkrat has a spammable high damage weapon
>>Mei's ice cocoon
>>Torbjorn in general if "played well"
>>Widowmaker
>>Tanks are perfect, except D.Va
>>Being Zenyatta is suffering
>>Symmetra's poo gun again
>inb4 the git gud boogeyman comes to get me
>this game tilts me to oblivion
>>342652412
>Junkrat's trap does 80 damage, is instant and has more than 1hp
>Symmetra's poo gun
>Pharah has an unlimited ammo high damage Rocket Launcher that makes you bounce the entire map if it hits
>Reaper has no hard counter as of right now
>Bastion in PuGs in general
>Spamzo has a Tracer ult as his E
>Junkrat has a spammable high damage weapon
>Mei's ice cocoon
>Torbjorn in general if "played well"
>Widowmaker
>Tanks are perfect, except D.Va
>Being Zenyatta is suffering
>Symmetra's poo gun again
inb4 the git gud boogeyman comes to get me
this game tilts me to oblivion
>>342624687
>Not mentioning Zaryas broken ass ult.
Its impossible to defend points like in the japanese map when the enemy team has 2 zaryas and a hanzo. Literally all they have to do is sync ults and they win, you never have enough time and can never organize a push against it fast enough, regardless of your team comp.
>>342652412
>Try out competitive mode
What.
Where is it?
>>342626146
>Reaper
>Worst offensive hero
>>342652867
On PC, public test realm.
>>342652840
dva can neutralize it... but yeah zarya is good
>>342637838
As long as i'm not sitting at zero charge the entire fight reapers rarely give me any trouble. Just keep back pedal and keep him further than three feet out and he'll die or run every time.
That being said if you get ambushed from the side while your in the middle of a teamfight he's probably going to kill you.
>>342630752
Almost everyone's ult counters Mercy's. She rezes, and then one of your team is supposed to kill everyone again. Or use a wombo combo ult like Mei's or Zaryas along with a damage ult like 76, Reaper, Pharah, D.va, roadhog, etc.
Mercy's ult is also used to counter all the damage ults. It's not a good idea for a team to unload all their ults unless it's the last minute of the game or you need one more push to win. What usually happens is that a team is ult-happy and they spend it as soon as they get it. Then when Mercy rezes, there's no counter move.
If you are going to pop ult and kill a whole team, at least get their Mercy too. The maps are multi-dimensional, someone can get behind them (like reaper, he's good for this) and take that bitch out.
>"We're making some significant changes here and the game is intentionally too complex for us to figure out optimal strategies on our own. The collective wisdom of the player base is far more resourceful and capable than us. As a result - we really need people to jump on the PTR and try this stuff out! Particularly 4-player groups. If some highly competitive group discovers a composition of 4 Crusaders that is the most effective but deliberately "hides" it from the rest of the community, then there's not much we, the development team, can do. While we are ultimately responsible for the quality of Diablo III, we can't improve this game without your help."
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/20745654682#1
This is what happens when people outcried about twisters in diablo. How about you shut your fucking mouth and be happy with what you got before retards ruin it for you.
>>342652921
eh. Unless there's bonuses offered for the main server I never really bother with public test shit.
>>342652342
>if he picks up a health pack meanwhile
which is pretty much always the case if the Reaper isn't a complete shitter
>but just chase him and shoot at this exact moment, he dead
very hard to do for Hog and Mcree, both whom can't exactly be wasting shots to get caught reloading
>>342652898
>widowmaker was so bullshit she was literally being used as DPS
>instantly replaced by soldier after even a slight nerf
>>342631470
Yeah but you can't make an insulting maymay out of that.
>>342637912
A FUCKING LEAF
>>342624687
OVERreacting WATCH out!
>>342634663
Him and pharah can get headshots, but it's a 1.25x modifier instead of 2x
>>342652624
>>342652525
Idk why you copy pasta'd my post to do this, but congratulations
>>342653862
Lot of the pros almost seem afraid to use widow now, even to counter another widow.
>>342648137
It's overwhelming in this game if they have the right setup. It's almost a stun because of how much I can't control my character when it happens.
>>342624687
there is nothing wrong with zenyatta
its aimed for low fruit, what do you expect?
its the new CoD with a splash of colorful paint, woefully a step back in advancement of game mechanics and content of maps
blows my mind we fully stopped doing map editors bar a few well known names
>>342651737
But having 150 health with NO mobility and NO control over the pocket you're healing to protect you or move with them, it's hard to play against mobile players.
Every character has a role based on their abilities, for example
>Symmestra
Builder/buffer(HP)/small picker/speedy recovery(teleporter)
>Mercy
Dedicated healer/buffer(damage)/mobile assistant (g.angel)/speedy recovery (revive)
>Lucio
mobility(speed)/positioning (knockback)/tanking healer/chip damage
>Zenyatta
Distance healer/debuffer/glass dps
As you can see send roles of dps and healer and debuffer make little sense given his glass nature
>>342624687
>Bastion in PuGs in general
Bastion is a literal retard-check. if you can't deal with bastion you may have a few too many chromosomes.
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