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>Junkrat's trap does 80 damage, is instant and has more than 1hp
>Symmetra's poo gun
>Pharah has an unlimited ammo high damage Rocket Launcher that makes you bounce the entire map if it hits
>Reaper has no hard counter as of right now
>Bastion in PuGs in general
>Spamzo has a Tracer ult as his E
>Junkrat has a spammable high damage weapon
>Mei's ice cocoon
>Torbjorn in general if "played well"
>Widowmaker
>Tanks are perfect, except D.Va
>Being Zenyatta is suffering
>Symmetra's poo gun again
inb4 the git gud boogeyman comes to get me
this game tilts me to oblivion
GIT
>>342624687
I also want to add:
>everything in this game makes you bounce
>>342624687
>Reaper has no hard counter as of right now
Literally the worst offensive hero.
Fight me.
>>342624687
>Being Zenyatta is suffering
Heh
>>342626146
He's the best offensive hero for killing tanks.
McCREEE was his hard counter, but now it's barely the case.
>>342626436
I agree with the tank part. (Especially Reinhardt)
However, I main Winston as a tank, therefore his effectiveness is piss in the wind tier.
>>342626632
twinston is pretty effective still
>>342626632
I'll also add an IMO and say pub shitters can't seem to hear "Death Comes" so I'm stuck shooting him with my pistolly Mercy shootie tootie
>>342624687
Hey, asswipe. We called SHITFAGGOTS now.
>>342624687
Pharah beats Reaper ez
>>342626939
It's still not a hard counter, he can still hide in a building. Though, in a map with no building that is true.
>>342626849
His ult is pretty crappy nowadays since Pigboy genius is played more often after McCree's nerf.
>>342627085
If you want a character with no hard counter, you don't need to go any further than soldier 76.
>>342627116
Started noticing that too, though they always end up giving up enemy or ally.
pic related for hedgehog players
>>342624687
what are you talking about? in a 1v1 fight scenario you want people to live longer than 5 seconds?
the time to kill is already really long, especially when you add healers to the equation.
also if everything is "OP" then nothing is "OP"
>>342624687
>Symmetra's poo gun again
top jej i hate that brain dead tech support cunt
>>342627442
At least he requires a bit of skill to git gud with. You can't spam his right click (which surprises me in this game).
Reaper has 2 shotguns @ close range that require almost no aiming.
>>342624687
It took about 6 years to balance Street Fighter 4, and even then it wasn't even close to perfect.
Brood War was patched for even longer.
Even TF2, they never got everything right. There's always some sort of meta to things.
These things take time. Whether you like a game or not, balance isn't something that happens quickly, and it is never, ever perfect.
>Pharah has an unlimited ammo high damage Rocket Launcher that makes you bounce the entire map if it hits
You need to be good at aiming somewhat to do ANYTHING with Pharah. She requires nothing but your aim, she has no utility skills like the other Hero's have. If you have shit aim you can't even be a decent Pharah. Direct hits don't even knock you back, and her splash damage is pitiful.
>>342627985
>implying I said everything is op
I made specific points for a reason.
Some things like Rocket Lawnchairs and Grenade Lawnchairs are balanced around having a limited amount of ammo in other games, but in this game it's not.
Also, the amount of stuff I probably haven't covered is probably enormous, so really, this is a short list.
>>342628317
Fair points, but I still think my >>342628317 is true. What's aiming if you have infinite spammable rockets.
>>342628478
woops I meant >>342628346
>>342625325
GUD
>>342628478
But everyone else also has unlimited ammo, and most have quicker reloads/ more ammo per clip. If she is so OP, why doesn't everyone play her?
>>342624687
Things that piss me off in OW as of right now.
Roadhog's hook is the most overpowered piece of shit in the game, it allows you to isolate a target and essentially take them out the game for a whole respawn.
Tracer and Zarya are both extremely underplayed characters whose potential is extremely OP. Zarya and Tracer both can rape assholes if played by even the slightest competent player.
D.Va is just fucking awful.
Reaper is more of a defensive character than anything as his ult can stop a team push better than create a spot for his team.
Reinhardt's hammer has some insane ass phantom range.
Thats all really.
>>342628478
You can't spam as Pharah and be effective, the damage on her splash for her rockets is downright awful. You'd basically have to hit directly next to someone to get maximum damage on her splash, other than that the damage decreases very rapidly the further it is away.
Junkrat is another story. He can angle his shots over cover, bounce off walls, and his pills do 80 flat splash damage where as Pharah's do 13 - 80.
>people actually fucking complaining about reaper
The only balance changes we need are Zenyatta needs a HP buff and D.Va needs a very small buff.
That is it.
>>342628624
I've seen a lot of double Pharah lately, though. I might be biased because I'm perma-stuck as healer, but no one kills the bitch, ever.
I'm finding more and more I can't kill jack shit with Mccrees fan combo. Unless they have 200 hp or less exactly and you stun them while you're literally right next to them, it feels like they always live and escape. Goddamn his right click feels useless now. It's better to just line up a headshot, except most of the time you can't do that unless you perfectly sneak up on them.
>>342628758
Well, my only complaint is that they "removed" his main counter without adjustments.
>>342628763
>no one kills the bitch
This I'll agree with; no one even seems to notice her until you point her out. But just 76 can easily shoot her down if she's playing aggressively. I actually enjoy playing Hog and hooking them
>>342628696
As a Lucio player the phantom range makes me want to be a hero.
it's like it creates black holes that suck me into him or some shit
Lucio is the only overpowered character in the game right now. If you think otherwise you're a shitter
>>342626884
>mfw
>>342629096
His only source of offense being some of the worst in the game balances his usefulness IMO. Least Mercy has a decent pistol.
>>342628867
Do you not stun, fan, roll, fan?
>>342628758
Zeny is fine
>>342629096
>Lucio
>Overpowered
he's one of the few characters that requires gitting gud to master. I don't get how he's OP
>>342629227
Like I said, most heroes can escape. I can hardly even get all my shots off on a mercy before she flies away.
>>342629292
Giving him 10 more HP would not break the game.
WILL I GET BANNED FOR ABUSING GLITCHES ON PS4
SOMEONE ANSWER ME GODDAMN IT
>>342628867
I'm pretty good at mccree, and after the nerf I just went to 76, since he's way more effective than mccree is now since I can aim and 76 does actual damage
>>342629227
Not him, but his point is that the normal combo is supposed to be Flash the Hammer without the roll
>>342629210
His offense is excellent in KOTH
>>342629294
His speed and heal auras make more impact than anything in the game. There's literally no reason to not ever pick him in any team
>>342629431
>buying an fps for console
>from a primarily pc game dev
nobody can answer your question because you're the only one who's that fucking stupid
>>342629431
Probably?
>>342629335
I don't know, I've been killed by good McCrees surprising me in my non tank heroes.
>>342629456
Well if you don't want to do the extended combo hit all your shots?
>>342629515
considering current comp games are more about who gets the better mercy rez i would say she has bigger impact on the game.
but yea lucio is pretty strong, but so is mercy, they just need to add more supports on their powerlevel.
>Pharah has an unlimited ammo high damage Rocket Launcher that makes you bounce the entire map if it hits
>Reaper has no hard counter as of right now
I know this is bait because you put these right next to each other.
they need to introduce a 175 HP tier and put Zen and Widow in it, at least
Why is Sym under support and not defense?
>>342629828
for the same reason that soldier76 is under offense and not support.
>>342628696
They should get rid of the hook combo, add a second in between hook release and firing. Hes got insane damage already, the hook is a buggy instakill. A little counterplay would be fine
Restore McCree's Fan damage, remove reload on roll but add i-frames.
Remove D.Va's critbox while in mech, or move it to the back, remove or reduce speed penalty when firing.
Everyone else is fine.
>>342624687
>reaper has no counter
>>342629647
actual organized games are entirely revolving around mercy's ult, it's a fucking mess.
I fully expect mercy to get some kind of ult nerf, and her other aspects buffed. Hopefully they do the smart thing and make her take an ult penalty when she dies, so picking her off actually does something instead of her just respawning first and rezing her entire team that died while she wasnt there to heal them.
>>342629379
It wouldn't be the end of the world, but if they buff him I'd rather they make him a better healer
>>342629889
Roadhog's an ult battery. He needs to be able to get quick shutdowns.
>>342629975
Her ult needs to charge SLIGHTLY slower, not too slow though else Lucio will be literally the only good support character.
>>342624687
All I hear is WHaaaa WHaaaH Whhhaaaaaaaaaa!
>>342629889
yes, roadhog can kill shit fast in a combo, but Roadhogs existence (a 600HP big ass target) already gives everyone on the other team Ult faster.
that's why he is balanced.
if roadhog had HP and hitbox like Mccree, then he would be broken.
>>342629896
Add Mercy's ult animation needs to finish before successfully rezzing teammates
>>342629889
>buggy instakill
i think you miss the point of the hook
>>342630143
>a character who dies almost instantly to everyone else in the game needs an ult who has a casting time
no, then she would never get to use it.
>>342624687
Mei is pretty much a hard counter to Reaper, bud
>>342630041
>better healer
increase the harmony orb duration off-screen to 5 seconds, he needs nothing else
>>342627442
no hard counter sure, but he isnt instant death to anyone, if you zone him into close range properly with a sniper, he will get munched by macree, reaper, mei, any of the tanks, genji.
>>342630293
It shouldn't work instantly. Flying in, presssing q, and dying instantly should not be viable and yet it wins games.
>>342629523
>buying a video game for a video game system
>retarded
WOW YOU FUCKING NIGGER KILL YOURSELF
>>342630334
>be reaper
>slowly get frozen
>press shift to completely remove the freeze debuff
not really a hard counter m8.
more like a 50/50 matchup of neither one dying and being able to escape at ease before dying.
>>342630075
>charging too fast is the problem
No the problem is that it's instant you absolutely can no stop it.
>>342624687
Pharah's rocket launcher only does high damage on direct hits, the splash damage on the rockets are pitiful and she can be brought down almost instantly by a Soldier or a Sniper
>>342630465
it's her only reliable job
everyone elses ult can win the game too. Kill her before she gets in range then.
>>342630293
Gee, maybe reviving an entire fucking team is something that's stupidly powerful and not something she should be able to do for free?
Mercy's ult should being used to revive 1 to 3 people, not a free undo when you get completely wiped. Flying to a dead body and instant casting res and then dying instantly is cheesy as shit
>>342630540
I'm pretty sure you used to be able to shut it down in the beta. For something as strong as a revive she should have to finish the animation. I basically prioritize killing her now. Too bad my team doesn't seem too concerned about her.
>>342630567
>Mercy hides behind a wall right outside her spawn while literally her entire team is in front of her at the point so you'll just explode if you try to run past them and get her
>Kill all or most of them
>She presses W, Shift, Q
>Even though everyone started shooting her asap she still gets it off and her team is back
How are you supposed to reliably counter this
>>342626884
worse than ASSFAGGOTS.
>pharah's rocket launcher
>high damage
>>342630374
Perfect
>>342624687
>Junkrat's trap does 80 damage, is instant and has more than 1hp
You can still destroy it
>Symmetra's poo gun
Just move out of the way nigga
>Pharah has an unlimited ammo high damage Rocket Launcher that makes you bounce the entire map if it hits
Everyone has unlimited ammo ???
>Reaper has no hard counter as of right now
Mei
>Bastion in PuGs in general
Only low skill players have trouble with Bastion, even Blizzard confirmed it
>Spamzo has a Tracer ult as his E
???
>Junkrat has a spammable high damage weapon
Can't 1 shot any hero
>Mei's ice cocoon
Free kill if you're not retarded
>Torbjorn in general if "played well"
Again only a problem to low skill or console players
>Widowmaker
Nerfed already
>Tanks are perfect, except D.Va
Already being addressed
>Being Zenyatta is suffering
That's what you get for picking an Omnic
>Symmetra's poo gun again
seriously move out of the way wtf is wrong with you
>>342630752
>>342630679
Without her ult being as good as it is she'd be fucking trash. There'd be no reason not to pick Lucio when you can't bring back most of your team semi-reliably. It's the only thing she has going for her.
>>342630752
This. It needs to be a fucking channel, if she dies immediately, then everyone needs to be revived with all their abilities on cooldown and like 10% health.
There should be a punishment for being bad at an ult, just like with every single character besides mercy.
>>342630752
1. have sniper aim at the enemy because it takes them at least a second to move after the golden rez wears off
2. use your own ult after their rez finishes like zaryas.
>>342630752
if she gets a mass rez, they are all close to each other and you can get easy kills with a single ult like zarya / reaper / mccree.
if you used all your ults to kill the enemy team the first time then thats your teams fault.
and it's also your teams fault for going all in before killing the mercy, or not focusing the mercy.
>>342631005
>Not her fast healing and damage boost
She would still be a good healer.
>>342631109
She'd be mediocre when Lucio is amazing.
>>342630909
granted, it is high damage if the pharah can aim a rocket to your face.
>>342630993
is this a copy pasta or are you this retarded
>>342631149
>>342631109
lucios speed boost is just too good.
it's dumb that he's the only character that can increase speed.
>>342631005
No she wouldn't
she has the highest single-target healing ever, a fantastic damage boost and a bullshit unpunishable ult that she can fill back up faster than anyone else in the game in like 1 minute
>>342630993
>i am going to destroy junkrats trap as he detonates it one second after throwing it in mid air
>>342630292
I wish the point of the hook would miss me
>game goes into overtime
>enemy touching the point for even a single frame completely resets the overtime meter, instead of having it pause or climb back up
>reaper can float to the point completely invincible and stall
>mei can waste four full seconds while invincible
>every single game ends in a clusterfuck of overtime, until someone earns an ult that manages to teamwipe hard enough to end the game
>most of the game is completely irrelevant, only the clusterfuck at the end matters
This system is fucking awful
Symmetra should be able to place her turrets on friendly players.
>>342626884
That reddit acronym maymay makes no sense at all.
You can't say it's "hero inspired" and then describe it as Team Fortress afterwards. The correct way would be "Team Fortress Inspired Hero Action Game Going on Two Sides", but even then there's no reason to point out "Heroes" (classes) when you already described it as Team Fortress.
![nick-young-confused-face[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/nguqMID.jpg "nick-young-confused-face[1].jpg")
>>342631334
>detonate
>trap
>>342631005
That's exactly why most people are wanting an ult nerf and other parts of her buffed.
>>342631451
>place it on their faces
>they can't see shit and then they got shot in the head
shut up faget
can't wait for the weekly brawl that removes ults.
i just want to see what it's like.
>>342630752
I've got it.
>Res activates instantly, starting every character at 20% health
>the longer the animation goes, the more everyone's health refills
>fully finished animation = full health for res'd teammates
>If Mercy dies mid-animation, whatever heal % it got to is where everyone stays
>>342631321
Her ult is fucking fine. Death timers in this game are so short that most of the time you won't be able to bring back more than 2 or so people. If you're team is coordinated enough that you all die in the same area/time, then you should be rewarded with that huge rez
>but she made my sick team kill Q irrelevant
Good, that's why it exists. This is her best and most important job, taking it away from her/making it more difficult when everybody can press Q and rack up kills almost effortlessly anyway would be retarded.
>>342631398
That fucking overtime is straight cancer sometimes. If we're going 99% to 0% on a KOTH, there should be no fucking overtime. Matches should nearly be instantly over if both percentages aren't int he later part of 75%.
Its also super infuriating to have the first point held until the last second, get stuck in Overtime, and then suddenly the team has 7 minutes added to the clock. There's no reward or punishment for having a good defense/poor team management. If anything for that solution, they need to give the first point more time, and the last point less.
>>342626632
>I play a hero that counters him, therefore he sucks
Wow, that's a pretty fucking dumb post.
>>342631662
a whole lot of reinheart swinging a hammer
widowmaker wondering where the fuck everyone is
junkrat being junkrat
winston dying like a dork
hanzo knowing where everyone is but not coming out of the doorway or getting kills
tracer wondering why the tanks aren't dying
lucio being an escort service like usual
mercy wondering why she is getting picked
>>342631794
it's not fine you dumb fuck, death timers are not short and you can easily bring back more than 2 people
you should be rewarded for playing skillfully - and she is not
even if she fucks up and somehow accidentally uses her ult - she can get it back in almost no time at all
not everybody can press q and rack up kills almost effortlessly anyway - that's a blatant lie
>>342631662
>dat slight belly curve
CHRIST WHY DOES THAT MAKE MY DICK SO HARD? MERCY'S GOT THE SAME THING
>>342631968
>not Roadhog and Widowmaker
>>342632081
>easily bring back more than 2 people
>your team is spread apart
>wandering into melee range of more than 2 people usually means you die before you can use it
I dunno about your games but getting 3 people in the same radius is hell, except for when someone ults and catches 3 or more together, which isn't that often in decent groups.
>>342631842
Of all the things to take from TF2, they forgot to copy how Overtime works.
>>342632136
childbearing hipbones
BOLTED
>>342632081
>you should be rewarded for playing skillfully - and she is not
not everybody can press q and rack up kills almost effortlessly anyway - that's a blatant lie
You're playing an entirely different fucking game. Almost none of the ults in this game reward skill whatsoever, unless you count pressing a single button in the right time and place with some coordination from your team skill.
In which case, guess what? Her ult would indeed require 'skill.'
>>342632136
no one on /v/ finds this attractive enough to impregnate
>>342626146
Widowmaker...
>>342624687
>Reaper has no counter
>except D.Va
So...you do know I will just boost up, defense Matrix and then blast your Reaper right in the face to kill in like two seconds when you ugly right?
>>342630970
>>342630374
What if Zenyatta's natural HP limit was 200, but he starts at 150 and slowly builds up to 200 via healing team mates?
>at Gamestop talking to friend who works there
>some dude hears us talking OW
>comments on Bastion being broken
>friend makes sarcastic comment
>guy walks away
>mfw people cry over Bastion
So easy to counter that if he legit poses a problem for you and your team, you're bad and your team is bad.
>>342632469
>go invunerable when d.va flies up
>run in circles around her because she can't turn for shit when firing
>blast her in the ass for massive damage
>she pops out of the mech
>a random shot from her little hand gun kills me
JUST
>>342632314
But almost all of the ults can be punished/stopped/avoided
except Mercy's free team reset button
>>342632605
OP here, and I main healer. Whenever I'm not, Bastion is never a problem.
I blame shitters
>>342632605
This. Though it becomes a problem when you have a Genji who isn't actively doing his best to ruin Bastion, or a Genji who thinks he can kill Bastion behind a Reinhardt and a Mercy healing him.
>>342632704
or you know... lucio ult, or zenyatta ult.
support ults are unstoppable on purpose. it's a design choice.
>>342632515
This
>>342632704
You realize if this wasn't the case she'd never be able to revive anybody right?
She would fly into where her team just died (most likely right where the other enemy team is) and die without doing anything. If it wasn't instant it wouldn't work or be worth it whatsoever.
People have suggested it making it a channel or bringing people back at only a certain % but it would be worthless then. Either you'd simply die or your team who got brought back blatantly weaker than the other team would die.
>>342632818
run at bastion/reinheart while reflecting is up, press shift so you go past both
turn around immediately and pop 3 stars into his weak spot. Unless he is a perfectly played bastion he should be dead unless reinheart is blocking him. Usually the reinhart is to the right or left a bit.
>>342630752
>Mercy suicide dives
>kill her
>team no longer has a healer, now at 0% ult, and is currently respawning
>send the rest of the team back to respawn
If Mercy wants to enable shitters to die all over again, that's fine. Free Ult.
>>342632878
Lucio's Ult can be stopped
>>342632878
lucio can be stopped before he gets his ult off
and no it isn't a design choice, it's an oversight
pun not intended
>>342632960
The only real nerf it needs is charging slower so the mercy has to be more careful when choosing to use it
>>342632878
You can stop Lucios though.
>>342633025
That works great in theory, but most of the time Genji just eats shit or Reinhardt blocks
Remember, Genji players skill either range from a tree trunk or a mlg, most falling towards a tree trunk.
>>342632960
so then cut the recharge time so that she can't use it literally whenever the fuck she wants with almost zero consequences
>>342633038
>>342633048
>lucio activates ult
>have to kill him before he reaches the ground
>mercy wants to ult
>have to kill her while she uses guardian angel to fly in
yea i guess mercys ult can be stopped too.
>>342632878
You can remove zenyatta from his team using roadhog/reinhardt
You can kill lucio before his ult gets off.
>>342633230
>>342633230
>Let me move the goalpost
lmao, also zenyatta's ult can be stopped by rein's charge.
>>342633230
>Audio cue
>Can turn and kill/stun him
>Mercy is behind a wall waiting for her team to die
>Audio cue
>They're already up
>>342624687
>Trap
Yeah that's not his trap.
>Use Lucio's ult
>Get knocked up in to the air 50 ft
>Die before I hit the ground
>>342633230
>roadhog grabs mercy as she is trying to fly in to rez
>>342633230
she doesn't need to fly in all of the time though, the range on her ult is bigger than you idiots are making it out to be and she can still use it without line of sight
fuck sakes, she can use it on some maps on defense from inside of spawn and then get to her team before the invuln wears off
>>342632960
There needs to be a way to counter it. She can revive a team through a wall, and be out of sight. You can revive your entire team through spawn on some maps.
If she literally dies the second after pressing Q, or get pulled/stunned/pinned there needs to be a consequence.
come get'chur armur
>>342624687
>playing symmetra
>set up great turrets to prevent flanking
>assholes stand right next to them and eat splash damage which instantly destroys half of my turrets
This is why I play soldier 76 only. I can't be assed to rely on these fucking morons
>>342624687
All these complaints and nothing about the latency. You lucky LAN partyer you
>>342633260
>zenyatta won't move away from reinhearts shield
>>342633373
Nah, I do mean his trap that snares you for a long time.
I find it pretty silly that it has more than 1 hp since it's already hidden.
Also, 80 damage on an ability that's already that useful is kind of overtuned
>>342633495
Fukken charge his ass and give him the manly pin.
>>342633380
There is a short window after the stun where he doesn't immediately shoot and she can still pull it off because it is instant.
>>342633489
Oh, I forgot that. I get killed through walls most of the time.
>>342631081
that's a bingo!
>>342633482
>expecting the turrets to do anything other than be passive damage and status effects
wew lad, that stopped being a thing at 5 hours. Your bread and butter is putting them in places above health kits and choke points, and maybe get a free kill but more important know when someone is coming, and have a few hidden on the last point, while using your meme beam to jump around tanks and destroy them, and shooting balls of poo through shields.
>>342628758
>People unironically thinks Zenyatta needs an HP buff
Zenyatta already shits out damage with Orb of Discord, if he was any buffer he'd be retarded. If anything he should get a speed buff when Harmony Orb is currently on someone.
>>342633631
That window is super jank, and isn't always there.
>>342624687
>he doesnt know junkrat is shit
just stop walking through his hallway
>reaper has no hard counter
mei, zarya, mccree
>>342633851
no and it's really odd but considering you're playing mercy you're probably a slippery enough cunt to pull it off.
>>342633809
I could get behind that. Or like a short yoga teleport.
>>342630909
Pharah's rockets do 120 on direct hit. That's a lot of damage.
>>342633868
>implying I'm ever staying in his hallway
>implying Reaper can't just wraith form away from these 3
>Memerat can get headshots
Remove this.
>>342633809
His fucking damage is crazy, I always thought his personal damage needed to be nerfed a bit, and his discord and harmony buffed.
>>342624687
>nothing about roadhog
>300 health heal that is fast and can be used while he's being attacked
>hook into left click is an instant kill basically
>>342633868
Mei freeze is reset by wraith form, that is more of an even match.
>>342633868
>junkrat is shit
spotted the mei player who froze herself and reappeared in a bear trap
>>342634037
>Widowmaker can get headshots with the assault rifle
>>342633378
>>342633378
>Use Lucio's ult off a rooftop
>OH LET'S BREAK IT
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>DOWN
>Team goes nuts with their new found heals and armor from my sayan level crash
>We still lose the first point in Kings Row
wew lad
>>342630334
I always felt like its the opposite. Any time i have trouble with Mei I just swap to edgemaster and shit on her.
>>342634037
>eating a grenade to the face shouldn't hurt
>>342634126
>mfw when setting a trap down and tracer runs into it
>every
>single
>time
>>342633868
Roadhog is also a hard counter to Reaper, since the hook nullifies his escape, or forces his ult off.
can we talk about how every single one of Mei's abilities is overpowered?
>close range
get frozen and fucked. only can be stopped with teamates
>long range
get sniped and fucked
>can be invincible and heal while doing so giving her the ability to avoid any and all ULTs
>ice wall
just fucking annoying
>>342624687
>Symmetra's poo gun
Stopped reading there. You clearly have no knowledge of this game
>>342634170
>Headshots with bullets
Fine.
Explosives shouldn't grant headshots that's fucking stupid. Fuck outta here.
>>342634235
Yeah it's not like he does enough damage with a single grenade to begin with, right, mate?
>>342634073
they don't speak about him much because the counter to roadhog is being a huge target that people can use to speed up their ult generation. I don't necessarily agree that much because killing anyone can be just as fast ult generating but maybe they shit at aiming and need a fat target.
>Torbjorn will forever be the most disliked, forgotton hero who will ever get epics or commends in years.
>All of this is because Blizzard were too lazy to implement a sidecam for turret kills.
>He will never be used in pro tournies ethier.
>Will forever be called the ez hero even though his gunplay is on the harder end due to bullet drop and precision
>all because he has an auto-turret that requires good positioning and even then can be countered by 6 other heroes at least.
>Blames himself for the omnic war or at least how much damage they caused.
Torbjorn is truly a life of suffering.
>>342634051
Zenyatta is fine where he is, if he needed any sort of buff it would be a speed one. Zenyatta behind a Reinhardt is exceedingly dangerous due to Orb of Discord. He's a Tank melter like Reaper.
>>342634313
She gets countered really easily.
Only thing I think needs to be worked with her is her cocoon should be able to be broken and not be able to contest.
>>342634361
Poo gun as in Indian, not "Shitty gun," retard.
>>342634259
>tracer lands in the trap
>takes a grenade to the face and her body goes flying 200 yards into orbit
why does anyone play anything else
>>342634009
>implying most people can land direct hits, most just grind you down with shitty splash damage, which is fucking piss poor desu
>>342624687
>She would fly into where her team just died (most likely right where the other enemy team is) and die without doing anything. If it wasn't instant it wouldn't work or be worth it whatsoever.
Literally a good thing. She shouldn't be able to blindly fly in with no regard to the surroundings and still get to rez everyone. She should be forced to position herself intelligently.
>>342634397
>All of this is because Blizzard were too lazy to implement a sidecam for turret kills.
No, the people must live with me walking around spraying "Thanks" and shooting a Lucio every time.
>>342628317
>she has no utility skills like the other Hero's have
I hope for your sake you are not a Pharah player. You are right that she relies on direct hits, but her concussion rocket is one of the best utility powers in the game
>people actually complain about reaper
>yfw more than one player dies to junkrat dying
>>342634458
what is her counter
>>342630752
Bruh just shoot her bro :^) if you can't counter Mercy you're plain bad at the game this includes all people of C9 t. Mercy main redditor :^)
>>342634037
Everything i've read said Junkrat cant get headshots.
>>342634397
I play a lot of Torb and I feel this pain through the character.
I wanna give him a hug.
>>342634525
>its ok if her direct damage is absurd because no one can aim anyway lmao
Fuck you, guy. I do love Pharah though, its so satisfying to melt people with her rockets.
>Lucio is currently the most OP motherfucker in the game
>carries the entire team - can make or break a push just by being there
>no one sees him in his killcam and no one plays support so they don't know to complain about him
feels good man
>>342634525
There are good Pharah's out there and they are terrifying. Her damage is fine where's she's at, there should be at least ONE Character in this game that requires good aiming and leading shots.
>>342634645
Not standing next to her
>>342634645
Roadhog, Junkrat, Pharah, Reinhardt
Roadhog especially because she can not do enough damage to him, and he heals it back. And everytime I see it ingame, it warms my heart to see her panic.
>>342634659
>Switch to Roadhog
>Flank
>Hook Mercy and one shot her
>Switch to Pharah
>Flank them and then boost up
>Shoot down Mercy in 2 to 3 shots
That's how I usually take care of them
>>342634663
>Full health
>Junkrat shoots at me
>Watch a pill hit the ground in front of me
>Bounces up in to my face
>Get oneshot as McCree
Yeah? Then nerf his fucking damage because that's horseshit.
>tfw tracer sticks her mine on your mercy's ass
and they say they need to nerf me. If tracer sticks a sticky mine on your butt, you are going to die in 2 seconds no question.
>>342634259
that's a big gif
>>342634942
Rockets don't get crit damage. Junkrat's pills DO however do 120 damage on impact. So not only does he get 80 flat splash damage, can bounce pills off corners, can fire them over cover, can just spam them into a point from a safe distance, but he also gets 120 damage on direct hit.
>>342634908
Yes that may work in pubs but not in fucking organized teamplay
You will NEVER get to a mercy unless the entire enemy team is dead in comp scenario
>>342634942
something else had to hit you.
Be it splash from another orb, or even his mine.
Orbs do max 120, they cant one shot him
>all these people saying mccree nerds removed reapers hard counter
What. Unless you are bad, the nerve should do nothing about your ability to kill reaper.
>>342634985
>ult as the mine is dropped on you
>revive team but die
wow you sure showed us.
>Roadhog hooks me from 6 miles away through a wall
>Reinhardt hammers me frok the other side of the planet
Nothing tilts me harder
>>342635150
*nerfs x2
Fuck autoc.
>>342635108
Then pick Widow and snipe her. I know it's easier said than done, but there are ways.
>>342635227
>she uses her mine before the team fight starts
>no one to rez
life is suffering
>>342631451
>5 symettras slapping all their turrets on a D.va
>She then flies right up to the enemy team and cuts through them all like a hot knife in butter.
yes
good
>>342635382
is this a thing? never tried this
>>342634394
It's because he has the biggest health pool in the game which he can burst heal 50% of. You don't charge ult off of other heroes anywhere near as much because they can't eat thousands of damage without dying like Roadhog can.
I agree with Reaper. At first I thought the McCree nerfs were great, but after playing a little more Ive noticed he got over nerfed. Hr cant deal with squishies how hes supposed to. hes pretty shit actually.
>>342626632
Reaper is literally the hard counter to Winston
get out of your shitty MMR.
>>342635506
No. Read the post he was replying to.
>>342635506
I wish.
>>342631008
>just like with every single character besides mercy.
>Widow, McCree, Reaper, Pharah, Genji
There's quite a few characters who don't get punished for shit ults.
>>342635243
>playing Rein
>corner three enemies and activate ultimate
>nothing happens
>charge at them
>get killed
>killcam shows the exact same thing
>playing against Rein
>accidentally pins me from the other side of the map
every time
>>342635531
it works both ways though, a mercy on defense with a roadhog will have her ult up in almost every single engagement and as such can just rez every fight. pretty broken on certain maps
>>342635578
I don't get this opinion. He still kills a squishy with one fan, you just have to actually aim now, instead of it being "press e to kill". I still play him a lot, and he still shits on squishies.
>>342635676
Reaper dies for a shit ult. Like instantly.
>>342632605
A smart team defending their Bastions is undefeatable on pub servers.
It's not simply a matter of "just go genji brah" if the opposing team knows how to keep their Bastions alive.
>>342635290
Mercy is auto include in every tournament, and every end card in tournament games has a "12 resurrections" mercy card in it.
She's overpowered, it's just how it is.
>>342635506
>>342635506
found the pub player
>>342635676
Is this a fucking meme
>McCree, loud, slow, open to damage and fucking glowing
>Reaper literally screams and can be yanked or pinned or just killed
>Pharah - JUST--AAAAGGH
>Genji - just eats shit
>>342635676
What. McCree and Pharah eat shit if they misuse their ults. Reaper and Genji can also be shut down or mistime the ult.
>>342624687
>reaper has no counter
What is literally every character that can fight at range?
>people finally noticing how awesome Junker is
>only took a full month
>>342635676
reaper and pharah get punished the most for shit ults
>>342635912
>i have to play symmetra to be not a pub player
>>342635692
I hate how inconsistent shit is in this game
>Playing pharah
>at low health
>turn a corner and see Roadhog
>fuck nope
>fly up and try to concussive blast him away
>he right clicks me and I die
>death recap shows me standing there doing nothing
>>342633435
>there needs to be a consequence.
You mean like her being dead?
>>342635780
True, but that's just because of his big health pool, which also means he takes forever to heal to full. I think of it this way: someone shooting Roadhog from 600 to like 300, then he heals and is back to max, then eats 600 damage again. That's much faster than a Mercy sitting there healing him from like 2 health to full.
So imo the enemy still benefits more from your health pool than a friendly Mercy, provided you have one.
>>342636037
Everybody has known about cheese rat since launch you hipster fag
>>342628696
>Zarya
>Underplayed
I see her every game if not every other game. The reason there aren't enough Tracer's is because no one has enough brain power to down the turrets so tracer can roam free.
There is way too much Reaper. When Blizzard nerfed McCree and Widowmaker they effectively buffed Pharah and Reaper into the skies. Pharah is still managable but Reaper is a monster now.
>>342629654
Reaper doesnt need to be out in the open. if the other team has a 76 you can kiss killing that reaper goodbye since theyll have you on lock down assuming they have a brain. now if they dont and pharah tries to counter reaper all he needs.to do is not be out on the open. now all of a sudden he needs to just peak out and fuck anyone up without being punished at all.
>>342624687
Who knew that a game where countering someone just means throwing a rock at their scissors would be frustrating.
>>342636086
>killed by someone I cant see
>killcam shows them just barely off to my side
>>342631842
>then suddenly the team has 7 minutes added to the clock.
The greatest time you can gain of a checkpoint is three minutes.
>>342630334
>Start getting frozen
>deal some smaage to her
>shift
>all she can do now is heal herself
reapers cd is shorter. reaper will pretty much always win.
>>342624687
>Nearly 80% of the cast isn't equiped to fight a great tracer or genji player
>Widowmaker ult still gives her entire team wallhack instead of just her
>Mercy ult is literally uncounterable besides killing her in the fraction of a second it takes her to fly in
>Junkrat nades have a hitbox not only while fired, but while bouncing and they still detonate
>Roadhog and Mcree have zero interaction kill states on 70% of the heros in the game.
>Hero stacking remains a thing despite it being complete and utter cancer, either imbalanced or matches become slogs to win.
This game has some serious issues.
Honestly I can deal with a fair amount of this but Tracer tilts me harder than anything, between equally skilled players she has such an advantage its completely unreal.
>git gud
Come back and say that after you play against high tier players, bitch is nearly untouchable.
>>342630752
McCree's HIGH NOON locks onto enemies while they're rezzing
coordinate you daft cunt
Zarya is the B E S T
>>342636498
Volskaya adds 5.
>>342624687
>tilts
What?
>>342628696
>Reinhardt's hammer has some insane ass phantom range.
This is more to do with the fact that 2D monitors have no depth perception and first person gives no compensating way to judge it, hence why melee is universally fucking awful in FPS games.
>>342633025
>Unless he is a perfectly played bastion
Or just turns around to follow you? You don't spin any faster than him.
>>342630993
>Mei
>Hard counter to Reaper
If the Reaper is shit, sure.
>>342636669
pic related
>>342629294
>heals everyone around him all the time
>has a very strong ult
>speed boost is pretty great
>he can fight and harrass at all ranges while doing all this
>alt fire makes him even more op on maps with pits near objectives
Even with all this I'm not sure he himself is OP, it's just that the other supports with the exception of maybe mercy are not nearly as good all around
>>342636878
Then why not just say mad? Is it another nigger thing?
>>342634543
>She shouldn't be able to blindly fly in with no regard to the surroundings and still get to rez everyone.
Agreed, stop being a shitter and kill her.
>>342636607
Tracer is the single highest amount of concentrated cancer in all the characyers in this game. And the worst part is being maximum cancer is rooted deep in her design choice, so its not a simple case of nerfing like it was with McCree and Widowmaker.
>2 tanks or 2 supports is super good yet no one wants to do it
Why
>>342637017
it's a term a lot of people use
>>342635813
But he keeps a large portion of his charge on that shit ult so it's no big loss
Why not make Mercy Ultimate requiereve vision?
