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http://www.technobuffalo.com/2016/06/23/nintendo-nx-cartridge-rumor-evidence-trademark/
it's just a rumor, r-rite g-guys?
flash cards
>>342534813
that would be pretty cool but i'm sure as fuck is not true. they are going to stick with blu ray disk or something
>Kept you waiting you, huh?
I don't see why they wouldn't. Flash memory is really good now and a lot cheaper than it was
>inb4 it turns out it's actually proprietary memory cards like Vita
Honestly a better idea would be this
when you go to the store, the video game you buy is burned into your memory using a laser.. completely harmeless
when you go back home, you put some plugs in your head and you mentally select which video game you want to play from memory
easy piracy fix
>1999
>Being a cheating, senile old man
There's no problem with cartridges, they also mean little load time.
RIP even the illusion of 3rd party support
s-s-s-stop tt-t-typing like a r-r-r-retard r-r-r-rite gg--g-g-g-guys???
>>342535238
still more expensive than Dvds and that might scare small devs and jew corps from making games for them
Cartridges would be great, purely for the aesthetic appeal.
>>342535316
They are expensive to mass produce, and I'm sure Nintendo will have a proprietary format, making other people except Nintendo hesitant to bother.
now pcfags will never be able to pirate it, brilliant move nintendo
>>342535326
3rd party support is a meme
>>342535440
Small devs could just go digital only though.
>>342534813
Pretty stupid if true. All the benefits cited do nothing to improve gameplay. BDs are used for their low cost advantage. Sony decides media formats because they don't just make games. Nintendo is not retarded enough to do something this stupid.
>>342535538
you cant be this dumb
enjoy your 16 mb games, faggots
>>342535570
Yeah, only Sony can make good decisions for media formats, especially for portable consoles. UMD is a fucking hit!
>>342534813
CDs were popular in video games for cost and space but carts were superior for it could hold chips to run special games.
this is a return to old, this is good.
>>342535440
Who cares? Non-exclusive third parties are best played on PC anyways.
>M-muh sales!!
Good for you, investor san
>>342535546
It makes normies buy the console, which means more games from the 1st parties.
The WiiU sold like shit, so it was pretty much abandoned after Smash 4 came out, with only small titles coming out after.
>>342535674
I didn't say they made good decisions. I said they are the only ones who can make decisions. Fuck off you stupid memer.
>>342535514
>They are expensive to mass produce
Like 3DS and Vita catridges, right?
>>342535796
3rd party support didn't make normies buy the wii
>>342535832
Same applies mate, if you imply they could make a decision, that means you're implying they can pretty much force anything into existence, which means the UMD is a good format.
>>342535702
Shit is all run in software now, that would make absolutely no difference.
>>342535702
It's only good if you return back to the time when video games were 64 MB filesize.
Otherwise you will experience shit slow load time.
>>342535962
>if you imply they could make a decision, that means you're implying they can pretty much force anything into existence
I agree.
>which means the UMD is a good format
No it doesn't. Fuck off. Last (you), hope you don't die from withdrawal.
they're more expensive to make but i think a lot of people don't realize how much it costs to make them
read only media costs only about $0.50 to make
yes, the bean counters that have destroyed printed manuals from making it into boxes will be pissed off about it, but it's not significant enough to make the price of a game rise by $10
>>342535962
Not him but you're fucking retarded.
>>342536148
>No it doesn't
Yes it does, they tried to force the UMD into existence, and it failed.
>>342536152
I'm not sure you're right about that.
Even if you talk about the feces tier 3ds ROM that transfers 7 MB /s, that's a little bit too cheap.
>>342535440
Nintendo has never had good third parties so what does it matter.
That just means it will be like every other nintendo system
>>342535952
Vita carts cost 4-6 times as much to produce as a Bluray, and top off at 4GB instead of 50GB to give you an idea of price.
>>342536152
>$0.50
Per unit? If so that's an absolutely massive increase considering it holds no advantages.
>>342534813
Considering the speed at which technology increases, cartridges should have always been the format of choice. CDs were chosen simply because they were cheaper to manufacture.
Cartridges allow the system to be modular.
What if the the cartridges are penis shaped?!
It's decent evidence, but it isn't conclusive.
The same person who found it also found out that Ever Oasis, the new 3DS game they announced at E3, also states video game DISCS, despite being a 3DS game.
It means the Zelda trademark doesn't really mean anything, or we're looking at a console port of Ever Oasis eventually.
>>342536423
>Cartridges allow the system to be modular.
So you want to be forced to pay for an additional CPU core just because the NX is too weak ass?
Let's say some games needed a core i7, your game would now cost 700 USD for the cartridge.
Is that a good idea?
>>342534813
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYcf2yUgblc
Prime example of why cartridges are superior.
This is an NES game with additional chips that boosted the visual and sound performance.
>>342536713
Better than needing to buy a new console in my opinion.
>>342535754
>>342536385
you guys need to remember that nintendo is also a company and need to make money. scaring devs away is not the way to go.
the last console was kill by two things. it was underpowered and NO third party support
>need processing power
>want it to be run as fast as possible
>bothering with external memory and not just installing directly onto the harddrive
Why isn't this done?
Hell, harddrives are literally just stacks of CDs, why don't we have the option to just put the game disk in the HDD and run it directly from there at least?
>>342536423
PS2, PS3 and PS4 all have disc drives and have "modular" slots for HDD.
>>342536846
the wii was also underpowered and had shit 3rd party support
>>342536397
Vita and 3DS cartridges are also limited by their size. If you had a cartridge that is the size of an SSD or something, it wouldn't be that expensive or that small in capacity
>>342536813
Brilliant. Why don't we just sell consoles without CPU, and put a CPU into every cartridge.
Probably not.
Because this is exactly the kind of stupid thing Nintendo would do. And would do it with glee.
>>342536978
it's not stupid though you retarded tripfaggot
>>342536713
Quality over quantity m8.
Also cores could be custom and purpose built. That would cut down on the market price.
Long term, it would likely expand the generation life. Games could just be coupled with new tech.
Also todays prices are completely arbitrary, the price points remain what they are mostly out of tradition. No other reason.
>>342534813
no shit it's a rumor, what are you fucking retarded
>being against cartridges
Who could be this retarded?
>>342536978
Shut up Boco
>>342536789
now think for a moment how much that "additional chip" will cost? at this age.
>>342536882
because people like physical media
>>342534813
Nintendo still uses cartridges. It's called the 3DS. If anything, this lends more credence to the NX being a console-handheld hybrid. Play your disc-based NX games on the go using cartridges. Imagine some cartridges coming with an additional chipset like with the Super FX chip to improve the game, and also being able to dock these cartridges with the console version of the NX for faster access speeds.
Buy a game, and you get the disc and the cartridge for it.
>>342537086
>Also cores could be custom and purpose built. That would cut down on the market price.
Yes, you would only cost 500 Million dollars to develop a new cpu every time.
>>342536954
Are you hearing yourself? A physically bigger flash drive is just smaller drives arranged together. The price would proportionally increase as well.
>>342536959
we can pack the gpu on the cart too so no one is running on out of date specs.
new game price $489
>>342535832
But UMD proves that sony don't "decide" anything and that this isn't a stupid decision so what the hell are you saying
>>342537190
and what? Harddrives are mental media, social media?
>>342537195
Just like PS4/Vita games?
>>342536882
PS4 does that. All games install everything to the HDD. and just run it from there.
>>342536954
The only reason to go with carts in this day and age is so the handheld and home console can both use the same format. If a handheld is using it too then you want to go as small as possible.
>>342537307
i mean people like having individual game boxes
>>342537081
>>342537156
Would it still mean less data than CDs? Because that fucked over the N64.
Literally the only thing I care about is that I may finally be able to play Monster Hunter on a fucking console again. Handhelds always have great libraries but I find nothing enjoyable about playing them.
>>342537385
Does the Vita dock with the PS4 and provide enhancements to the console version of the game?
>>342537435
shut the fuck up you retarded faggot
>>342537306
Blu ray proved otherwise
>>342537473
Does the NX?
>>342536423
>Cartridges allow the system to be modular.
I think you're expecting far, far too much if you think you're going to see the return of the NES/Genesis/SNES style cartridges that could house extra processors and connected directly into the console's motherboard.
If anything, a modern cartridge would be an SDHC/SDXC with a UHS designation that would put it somewhere in the ballpark of an HDD in terms of read speed or much, much slower if they aren't going to bother running the game off the cartridge.
>>342534813
Any type of non disc would be best for the consumer, if they keep the price point of basic games being $60 max.
Faster loading
No noise
Wouldn't need HDD installs
Are more physically protected, Discs scratch easy, not blu ray of course
Discs advantage are cheap, cheap for large storage quality, disc reading technology already there, case designs already there.
However Nintendo would avoid paying any royalties anyway to any Disc related things, so it makes sense they would go to a non disc medium. Like did you know that the WiiU to avoid paying royalties to disc companies, the WiiU actually spins its discs backwards?
Of course unless Nintendo fronts the cost, or unless their console is wildly successful, third parties will hate them for having to pay a little more to make them.
>>342537435
N64 was restricted because it was an 64 bit system.
Going by Moore's law and that the N64 was made 20 years ago, we have ~1.3^36 bit systems now.
There's literally no restriction any more.
>>342537435
yeah and the gamecube was selling like hotcakes because it finally moved to CDs
>>342537435
They only stupid thing is that it would still cost more.
But nowadays you can make bigger carts.
>>342537735
Really? Huh. I thought they were still limited in size, like the 64 was. Thats good to hear.
Still, you just know the only reason Nintendo wants carts again is because they're harder to pirate.
>>342537473
No the PS4 is the most powerful console in the market. Also nice speculation.
>>342534813
Yeah, it's not a bad idea.
>Fast read speeds
>Last longer
>Will not break as easily
>Nostalgia + Collection
>Prevent Piracy ( or try at least )
When some time ago I suggested that the new nitendo should move to cartidges most people were like:
>r u retarded
>blu rey is the way to go, fag.
I want to see cartidges on the NX.
please nintendo. do it
>>342537735
that's not what moore's law means retard
>>342537473
enhancements like what ?
second scene like the gamepad
we all know how well that goes
>>342537959
>>>Fast read speeds
The other way around. You will get slower read speeds.
>>342537167
Our vidya prices are arbitrary.
There's really no rhyme or reason to them, they've been $60 new since the 80s.
>>342537526
UMD proved otherwise
>>342538056
source?
>>342537959
It's not gonna fucking prevent piracy lol.
Tell you what, though, it will not make a fuckton of noise when you're playing games.
PS3 made insufferable noise when you were trying to play games because the Bluray drive is LOUD AS FUCK. I dunno about Xbox One or PS4, but I don't imagine it's a lot better.
>>342535538
Yeah, as it happened for NES, SNES, N64, GBC, GBA DS and 3DS, right?
>>342538238
The 3ds and the new 3ds.
>>342537959
3DS use carts but didn't prevent piracy
>>342537635
>>342537872
>>342538038
Nobody knows, but I assume that it's on the table. Nintendo has wanted handheld-level sales for their consoles for some time now, so what better way than to have both devices in one? $400 device that can separate into a console and a handheld. Console is incomplete without the handheld docked (which is why a console/handheld combo costs so little). Handheld reads from cartridges and the console reads from discs and the handheld + cartridge combo. Imagine potential future add-ons that replace the handheld NX with an upgraded version that put the full NX console on par with the Scorpio/Neo.
There's a lot they can do.
>>342538248
PS4 is quite noisy, yes.
>>342538056
blue ray read speed = 27MB/Seconds at the outer edge.
blue ray random disk access = VERY SLOW
Typical cheap Flash Read Speed can be anything from 100+MB/s
Random access is WAY BETTER than an optical disk
You know the drill, fucking go kill yourself.
Will this push publishers onto Nintendo's Eshop?
>>342537959
Are you retarded? Blu-ray is the way to go, faggot.
>>342538432
there it is
>>342538108
im talking about companies. they sure as fuck not going to like the idea of making less profit. and people will outrage if game gets more expensive
>>342538334
>>342538248
I say TRY to prevent piracy
No one can prevent a hacker if he puts his mind on hacking something.
>>342538432
:'(
>>342538419
>Typical cheap Flash Read Speed can be anything from 100+MB/s
Cheap ass Nintendo flash speed = 5 MB per second.
>>342538375
Wow great idea! Sony can do this by reading a game from the disc and the installed game in the HDD! Imagine the power boost!
>>342538327
can you tell me with a source what the 3DS read speed is and compare it with the PS4
>>342538432
found the sony marketer
>>342538678
You own one, so you tell us about the shitty load times you are experiencing.
>>342537959
Also, now we don't have to deal with the double layer disc shit that can get fucked up.
Had the weirdest glitches in my smash copy at times cause apparently there was some issue between the layers so that things would run, but other things wouldn't load right.
>>342538056
People keep saying this, but honestly I don't know when was the last time I ever felt like 3DS load times were bad compared to any console game.
>>342538554
Or you just need a super secure system, not like Nintendo's blown open eShop.
>>342536397
>>342536954
Vita/3DS use near 7 YO flash technology. Price drops since then.
>>342538670
installing games is a meme
>>342536385
>Nintendo has never had good third parties
this is blatantly false, how old are you
>>342538419
You're forgetting that you can use a faster Bluray drive instead of a 1x drive and you're assuming that Nintendo won't cheap out with their flash carts to save money.
>>342538841
i don't own one, im not interested in 3DS games. why don't you tell me since you know so much about it
>>342538678
even if the 3Ds speed was slow as fuck
doesn't mean that nintendo would use a shitty flash interface.
USB3.0 flash drives can read at 230+MB/s.
Perhaps nintendo should implement something at those speeds.
>>342538670
It wouldn't be an HDD. You wouldn't be installing games to your HDD for faster read speeds, but just reading them. That's what the cartridges would be used for in conjunction with the discs. Also, the NX console would use the processing power of the NX handheld in conjunction to boost performance.
>>342538848
>honestly I don't know when was the last time I ever felt like 3DS load times were bad
You're not being very honest despite saying you are.
Also, modern desktop games can be 50 GB.
You can't compare their load speed to your 200 MB game.
>>342538890
Faster than cartridges :^)
This is definitely going to be a handheld. I'm actually pumped.
>>342539129
Ya, all those handheld versions of Just Dance. Fucking retard.
>>342536846
Wii U died cause of the stupid pad
>>342538056
Nigga are you stupid?
There's a reason modern games install half the game onto the internal drive from the drive. Bluray has fast read speeds but only if all the content being read is consecutive, making it fast for things like movies.
But if it's not consecutive data, like, when you're playing a video game, it's a lot slower.
>>342539015
>doesn't mean that nintendo would use a shitty flash interface.
If you know anything about bottlenecks, you would know you don't solve the whole problem by just boosting 1 part.
You need to boost the memory chips themselves, making them the more expensive types.
>>342539129
Yeah it uses cartridges that means it's a handheld just like the Super Nintendo and Nintendo 64
>>342539035
Wow, so reading from a external flash drive is faster than reading from an internal flash drive? You learn something new everyday.
A world with no HDD for consoles sounds like heaven to me.
this same rumor has happened for every system since the N64
they won't do it
>>342538995
nigga please.
what fast blu ray drive can read at 200MEGABYTES PER SECOND
at a 0.01 millisec random access speed??
I'm waiting you fucking idiot
>>342536846
lol do you think the Wii U has made them lose money? they've sold them at a profit since 2013 and the console had basically zero marketing except for meme spots, they've poured most of their resources in the 3DS after realizing the wii u was a bombed platform with no more support
>>342539224
I think you don't have the reading comprehension.
Playing the game from harddisk installation will always be faster than relying on the shit transfer speed the 3ds and new 3ds uses.
>>342535428As a normal person with a stutter: Fuck you, you piece of shit. We're not retarded. I hope you say something like that around a stutterer one day and get your ass kicked.
>>342539370
why would there be a rumor that the gamecube was going to use cartridges since that was already the norm for nintendo consoles?
>>342539129
Handheld new Zelda? Can't wait.
>>342534813
didn't we already knew it?
>>342534813
>Nintendo being hipsters AGAIN.
Just make a Console with a regular controller that uses disks. That's it.
>>342535440
Many companies have really been pusing digital sales so bluray vs. cart makes little difference.
Also the NX is a handheld so yes it's going to use carts in a fashion, just like very Nintendo handheld before it.
>>342536423
>Cartridges allow the system to be modular.
Not to mention the data is always accessible so loading times are BTFO
At this point, it's not really a bad move, the old issues of flash memory aren't really an issue anymore. But if they use proprietary carts that'll likely dissuade third party support.
>>342539516
typing out a stutter is a retard. i wasn't calling all stutterers retards you oversensitive faggot, but you definitely are one.
>>342539420
If the cheap slow reading carts already cost 4x what a disc does, why would they spend even more money on a fast cart?
You're not wrong that they exist, they just won't be used because it's too expensive.
>>342539680
Load times will be as slow as they always were.
>>342539698
>that'll likely dissuade third party support.
AGAIN.
>>342534813
So no backwards compatibility then.
>>342539765
Yeah tell that to my SD
>>342539528
because CD based consoles were the norm for everyone else and perceived to be the best option, people figured nintendo would stick with cartridges
>>342539571
Fuck you gaijin. Nintendo aren't cucks like Microsoft paying licensing fees to Sony of all fucking companies. Even the Wii-U doesn't use blu-rays to avoid paying them.
>>342539753
>>342539516
sorry i meant typing out a stutter is retarded.
PROS OF CARTRIDGES
>Very fast read speeds and random read speeds
>Robust, reliable and will last longer
>No need to install games, everything will run off the cartridge
>Silent. 0db
>Save your games to the cartridge
>It's cooler to collect
PROS OF BLU RAYS
>um... it's cheap I guess
>makes a good coaster
>>342539823
Your SSD doesn't exist in Nintendo's mind.
>>342534813
it makes perfect sense, since NX is also the 3ds successor
>>342539765
source?
>>342534813
Hey guys if NX is both Console and Handheld like some leaks stated - physically, how big are the cartridges ?
surely it can't be too small since games these days are huge, and it can't be too big since it wont fit the handheld
>>342539942
>>Very fast read speeds and random read speeds
Very slow read speeds and fast random read access
>>342539972
no it isn't
>>342539206
>Wii U died cause of the stupid pad
Gamepad is comfy as fuck.
WiiU bombed because people didnt understan the diference between Wii and WiiU and most people thought it was just a pheriperal for the wii. This is not opinion, is pretty much the official fact from nintendo, forbes, etc.
>>342535292
you can still do proprietary and stay cheap.
/v/, you don't get the picture here. It doesn't matter how functional a Cartridge would be, nobody is going to support it.
>>342539990
Nintendo being cheap asses.
I can see why Nintendo would want to use them. Knowing that Nintendo plays everything very safe, they would naturally prefer to sell a portable machine with no moving parts instead of a machine with a spinning disk inside of it, as a way to prevent crashes and the like.
Cartridges are an ok thing to nostalgia over, but im not sure if I would want them in main consoles again. They can get expensive as fuck, I remember shelling out like $75 for Banjo Tooie back in 2000 or whenever.
>>342540052
source?
>>342540209
See>>342540159
And see>>342538327
>>342540052
Do you hate everything, or just yourself?
Don't you want for Nintendo to succeed and actually make a good console after 20 years?
>>342540159
nice source
>>342539346
Why would it count as an external flash device? Nintendo would have control over the specifications of the cartridges, including read speeds, and I imagine that docking the NX handheld to the NX console would be the equivalent of connecting a piece of hardware through USB. They'd have to develop a proprietary method of connecting both devices. More than likely, you'd be getting read speeds closer to an SSD than an HDD.
Cartridges sucked, I'm glad we are past it. Discs are 5x more convenient and digital games are 5x more convenient than discs.
>>342540250
No, I just want you retards to understand Nintendo's slow shit won't eliminate loading time.
>>342539990
If carts meant no load times then all 3DS and Vita games would have no load times.
>>342540246
see >>342540293
and see >>342537524
>>342534813
Nintendo killing 3rd party support. One gen at a time.
>>342534813
>The superior media is back.
Discs fulfilled their purpose long time ago. Now they such and have to go.
Mfw nintendo uses cartridges and you can play ds and 3ds with the NX.
>>342540392
I guess you have never owned a 3ds before.
Everyone better be prepared for massive downgrades.
>>342540335
All of my SNES games still work
Half of my PSX games even boot.
>>342540354
Why would nintendo get out of it's way to sabotage it's own console? You just want nintendo to fail because you are a hater.
>>342540153
who gives a shit, they didnt need 3rd party support to sell the wii. 3rd parties were an afterthought. if the NX sells well, 3rd parties will be begging to put games on it
>>342539060
He said compared to any console game you mongoloid, PC games have almost no load time if you're playing an offline game.
>>342540546
>Half of my PSX games even boot.
Then you're doing something you shouldn't. You leave them on the floor or something?
>>342540461
no i haven't that's what i've been trying to tell you
>>342536789
>all of those extra sound channels
It sounds like modern-day chiptune stuff.
>>342540546
>Why would nintendo get out of it's way to sabotage it's own console?
The thing is they won't know it's sabotaging their console until they see the results.
>>342534813
Nintendo has been using carts forever. 3DS has carts.
>>342540546
>Why would nintendo get out of it's way to sabotage it's own console?
It's not a sabotage.
The 3ds has natural shit slow cartridges. You you think it's some kind of magical technology that will transcend time and space.
>>342540546
>Half of my PSX games even boot.
Well there's your problem. Have you tried putting them in your Playstation and not a DVR? It's ok anon, easy mistake to make.
>>342540623
Some on boxes, some on cake holders,
but it could be the console lens.
See? Even if it's the psx itself, it sucks.
Because I can't fucking play my games!!
That's why cartridges is the way to go.
No fucking moving parts that can break.
>>342540701
Gamecube Wii U and Wii use carts too ??????
>>342534813
Nintendo is moving to the cloud.
They are likely interested in flash cards for speed, as a substitute for downloading straight to drive. I will no doubt me more expensive than disks but I don't think it would be the problem carts were back on the n64 days.
>>342540573
>PC games have almost no load time if you're playing an offline game.
There exist this type of retard.
>>342540701
yes but if we use carts on a home console, chaos will ensue.
>>342539781
OH source?
>>342535326
>just like how there are no 3rd party 3ds games right?
>>342540546
>You just want nintendo to fail because you are a hater.
Is flash memory actually faster than optical drivers when it comes to transferring media?
>>342540749
Only newfags think that PSX is the dvr shit and not the codename sony used before releasing the Playstation
>tipthe codename was PSX
fucking newfag
>>342540559
>who gives a shit, they didnt need 3rd party support to sell the wii. 3rd parties were an afterthought.
That's why nobody bought it.
>if the NX sells well, 3rd parties will be begging to put games on it
>3rd parties will be begging to put games on it
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
>>342540807
stop talking shit faggot
>>342540924
Not the nintendo brand.
They are much slower.
>>342540928
Right, That's why I still play on my Dolphin and Revolution. They're my favorite nintendo consoles.
Why did Ninetndo stop trying after the Gamecube?
>>342540457
>They sell an add-on that allows you to play games on Discs.
>The first successful and useful add-on.
Want it so bad.
>>342541058
touche
>>342540932
>nobody bought the wii
Is this guy retarded
>>342541154
Or it gives people Jaguar CD PTSD and flops at retail.
>>342541172
Oh, sorry. I forgot only you bought the Wii.
>>342541136
after the SNES you mean right? you real question is, why did they stop making games solely for your outlook? The gamecube sold a whopping 20 million
>>342539280
It makes sense, it'd probably be an evolution of the Wii U's gamepad. You could use it as a home console but you could also play it on the go. It makes sense since the next Zelda game is going to be the exact same they said, if the hardware was going to be better they would at least bump up the resolution. Also the Wii U is doing awful in Japan, they need to recapture that audience. Usually the portable systems get a new iteration too before the home consoles.
>>342540685
THis. That soundtrack is fucking based.
>>342539516
>making fun of a kid with a stutter
>he hears me and squares up
>"it's time to d-d-d-duel!"
SSD = Fast
Nintendo cartridge = Slow
>>342541326
it doesn't make sense so i didn't read the rest of your shit post. the handheld hybrid is an insubstantiated rumor so don't pay attention to it until it's confirmed
>>342540924
Depends on type of memory. Most of the time it's faster. I don't honestly know if they even make slower flash memory anymore, because optical media is incredibly slow.
>>342541414
You need to be at least 18 to post here kid.
>>342541309
That's right I bought all of them
>>342541214
>Masses know about Jaguar.
Nope.jpg
Want to use your GC/Wii/WiiU games? You can with this completely unnecessary device.
It's not rocket science.
>>342541475
>>342541475
You need to open your eyes, gramps.
>>342541414
yawn
post something else
>>342541446
>I don't honestly know if they even make slower flash memory anymore
That's never an issue.
Nintendo loves to source old ass shit products everybody else discarded.
Just look at the 45nm CPU in the Wii U.
>>342541589
>yawn
That post was even worse brah
If they do use carts again, they'll end up very similar to the ctr-005/ntr-005 where you have a rom chip that holds the game and maybe some nand for saves.
Nintendo claims the max combined size of the 3ds ctr-005 carts is like 8gb, so with a larger double sided pcb you could probably get up to 40gb or so without driving the price up much. 32nm rom chips are getting cheaper so it's possible I guess.
Will it be cheaper than printing blurays or selling games online? Probably not, but at least it would differentiate nintendo's console a little more from the competition.
Friendly reminder that DS and 3DS has ZERO load time
>>342541659
>brah
>>342540924
Generally yes. My pc has an SSD and the OS loads in literal seconds, as well as all of the programs. And N64 games loaded instantaneously while PSX/Saturn/Dreamcast games took a minute or so.
>>342541670
nice false flag. post something else
>>342541670
on a 240p screen.
>>342541693
looks like david bowie
>>342540046
What if the pad is handheld?
>>342541627
They literally can't, though. Besides, technically speaking, the type of memory that would be used would be up to the people packaging the game.
It's not like Nintendo can come and say you can't use 6gbit flash ROM. They can design the interface to be slow as fuck, but that's about it.
>>342541910
then its way too big
>>342541919
Oh they can and will. The slow ass stuff you find in the 3ds in produced in mass quantity still.
>>342541756
I think it should be obvious that the kind of flash memory you're using in your SSD isn't going to be the kind that meets a mass market price for the average video game. N64 games were also EEPROM, not NAND. They were essentially mini circuit boards inside and plugged directly into the motherboard.
>>342535326
Cartridges are a form of storage like CDs, anon.
So just more Nintendo proprietary shit that makes them undesirable for third parties?
Well, whatever Nintendo decides to do with the NX, it's safe to bet that it'll be and almost good plan that they'll shit all up. Leaving both their detractors and fans questioning their overall competence... again.
>>342542171
muh turd parties :(
I wouldn't mind cartridges tbqh
I am used to discs but fuck them, they can be pretty noisy, get dirty very easily, very fragile and if the disc driver is fucked well.
>>342541670
You meant only the ds?
3ds have and it's awful. Fuck OS on gaming devices.
>>342542171
Games for PS4 and Xbox One are also proprietary, even though they use a non-proprietary format as carrier.
You can't play the games on other systems or do much with the BD.
>>342542230
Well Nintendo exclusives suck ass so.
>>342542359
don't concern yourself with them then
>>342536789
>sunsoft
best 8bit music maker to ever grace our shit planet desu
>>342541565
>One spoiled rich kid who bought all those Wiis.
Oh, what a top seller.
>>342540685
modern-day chiptune stuff sounds like garbage
>>342542065
It's obvious to everyone but Nintendo drones.
They see the SSDs and think that's actually what they are going to get.
Nintendo should do this.
Imagine NO FUCKING INSTALL TIMES.
This alone is an advantage SO FUCKING BIG that it's worth
Imagine having no worries about full hard drives, deleting-installing games, waiting and waiting for games to install.
all this gone.
>>342542551
I'd rather have an install time than shitty loading time from a slow cartridge.
THEYRE GONNA BE LIKE FLASH DRIVES YOU DOPES
INFINITELY BETTER THAN DISCS
>>342542550
>>342542641
post something else
>>342542641
oh have the specs been leaked or something?
source?
>>342542641
>The disc is the installer downloader.
This is the future you choose faggot.
How would this fit into my handheld
>>342542806
You don't have much to choose from.
It's either cheap and slow, or expensive and fast.
>>342542550
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital#Speeds
That's a general outline of the kinds of read/write speeds available for SD cards. You have to get to higher end of UHS-I until you get comparable performance with a 5400rpm HDD.
If Nintendo is going to include an HDD and is just using cartridges to get rid of the optical drive, then it probably doesn't matter how fast the cart is because it will just install the data to the HDD.
Flash drives and sd cards are dirt cheap and have more room.
>>342537870
>because they're harder to pirate.
Are you actually retarded? No one pirates by burning disc copies anymore
>>342542359
>Nintendo Exclusives suck ass.
>All these niggas fucking asking them to go third party
Fuck off
>>342543114
What's PS1/PS2/SATUHN/DREAM CAST?
>>342543114
retard
>>342542995
oh, you are just a kid!
haha!!!!
>>342543283
We're not living in 1999 at this point in time
>>342543006
I bet you Nintendo is going to stick to slow speeds.
They love to save money everywhere when possible.
>>342543396
i am.
>>342543283
>Not mention Turbo-duo/Sega-Cd
>>342542551
We used to have this, it was called a console.
>>342543396
Then how do you play games on your psx besides using a hard to find original?
>>342542641
dumbest post
>>342543471
They very well might do that. The speed of the cartridge only matters if they are trying to get rid of game installs and the HDD. Like I said, if all they want to do is get rid of the optical drive, then it doesn't matter how fast the cartridge is since it would function the same way a Blu-ray disc does -- holds the data until it is copied onto an HDD.
If they aren't including a large HDD, the read speed becomes more important.
>>342543757
not him but i use an emulator and a controller for my pc. it's the same fucking feeling, only with the option to use filters to make some games look less shitty
>>342543757
By emulating
>>342534813
If this is tree, day 1 buy. Nothing compares to the feeling of slapping a cart in and slamming a superthick power toggle to "on".
>>342543757
The PSX doesn't play games, it's a DVR. you mean the Playstation, or the PSOne. don't worry it's an easy mistake to make
>>342544042
yeah you're not getting that back sempai. It'll be handheld acceptable sizes like an SD card
>>342544042
it's not tree it's a games console
>>342534813
Anything like the 3DS cartridges but bigger could be cool.
>>342544042
I miss that feeling
>>342544042
What if you have to put the cartridges in like this?
I've been saying it for months now, solid state media to avoid shipping with a harddrive like the other two consoles while also being able to play the same games.
>rumor
Kill yourself for real
>>342544061
Actually you fucking niggerfaggot:
The 2003 PSX is a PS2 + a DVR
so it does play games.
>THE MORE YOU KNOW
>>342543986
>>342544014
Been in both positions.
It really isn't. Emulation is getting satisfied with rice, if you think that is nearly as good as the system you're mediocre losers.
>>342544061
DVR? Do you mean the PS2? Don't worry, easy mistake
Despite how hard you guys are against Nintendo doing gimmicks you know full well Nintendo won't sell if they come out with a PS4.2.0.
Nintendo needs to do things differently, its core to their identity in the business to take risky gambles. Nintendo is old yet still ballsy enough and rich enough to take on the manufacturing costs of this pursuit provided they can profit in the long run and strengthen their brand in the market. If their core userbase continues to buy consoles, amiibo and full priced games they can keep going for a little while longer. I feel Nintendo is at a pivotal point now though and even if they are rich enough to take losses on 2 more consoles, the NX will ve the one that matters and decides their future in the console business.
The NX will be a breath of fresh air in the industry, it will help save the dying Japanese industry provided it's powerful enough for third party support and it's gimmick might just be what we've wanted all thes years. The point remains if Nintendo succeeds with the NX the industry will be better for just about everybody especially if you like Japanese vidiya and Nintendo ips. The only console company who is fucking useless and needs to leave the industry asap is Microsoft. Sony and Nintendo competing is all that's needed.
>>342544464
>if you think that is nearly as good as the system
Yeah, it's better
>>342544130
>handheld
rumor
Good. This isn't a bad thing at all. Cartridge costs aren't even a 50th of a game's retail price, they have lower load times, higher capacity, aren't a proprietary Sony format, don't get scratched, don't require loud hardware, and so on and so forth. Plus they have end labels. You don't have to pull cartridges out of a box each time you want to switch them out, you can just grab a cartridge off of your shelf and put them in your machine and play a video game.
They're also R/W format, so you don't need to install shit or keep saves on your console which leaves space for digital purchases and DLC.
>>342544640
>An adaptation on a generic platform.
It isn't.
>lol everyone knows you can't have a lot of space on a physical disc! Optical drives are the way to go!
Is this 1996?
I think it's bullshit because there's no way you're gonna fit a huge game like the new Zelda game on a fucking cartridge.
>>342534813
>it's just a rumor, r-rite g-guys?
It still is. Trademark applications tend to include every possible format a game can be released on, even the ones that had fell into disuse, just to cover all their bases.
>>342545251
>looks better
>runs better
>can use whatever control scheme you like
It is
>>342545425
>32gb thumb drives exist
Okay you fucking retard
>>342545425
Is this really how stupid people are these days
>>342545425
Reported for underage.
>>342545401
People think that cart is same as old carts from old consoles are.
Ironic because now we can find shit like >>342545513 for dirty cheap.
>>342545452
It's the only WiiU trademark application to include any text on having a cartridge format along with a disc one.
>>342535440
>modern games
>DVDs
Enjoy switching out discs eight times.
>>342545513
>a game that's 100 gigs at most
>not able to fit on a cartridge
>>342545425
I'm out.
>>342545715
dirty cheap?
>>342538108
It was uniformly $50 in the 6th gen.
Why not the use of sd cards?
>>342534813
Relax OP. First of all, they'll be using Cards like the 3DS and not Cartridges. And it's 2016 now. The tech is there to make cards that can fit AAA sized games on there.
And yes, while cards are going to be more expensive than CDs to produce, these cards will be usable on both the handheld and home console. This means they can offset the costs through logistics such as
> Manufacturing cases - They only need one standard size case as opposed to needing 2 sized cases like they did before with the 3DS and Wii U
> Shipping - They can ship more at a time since again, they're using one standard case.
> Retail Floor space - Instead of having a section for the NeXt DS and NeXt Wii or whatever their names are, they only need floor space for the NX.
These little things all add up in the long run and make this move feasible for Nintendo to do.
>>342545838
Tell me about it.
If the NX winds up being a portable system (or a portable/home console hybrid deal) then optical media doesn't really make sense. They'll probably go with some kind of proprietary flash media solution instead.
>>342545975
too small i want something big to hold, i want a big box on my game shelf
>>342546037
>he fell for the native instruments meme
>>342546037
I can't believe people pay for this shit.
I would rather pirate 36 different torrents than spend $400 on a VST suite.
Shit, I've easily spent over 10k hours in FL Studio and even I wouldn't buy it.
>>342542551
The WiiU already lets you play games without installing them.
>>342545874
you got me you fucker!
>>342546313
amazing
>>342534813
What if the cartridges ARE the NX?
Why don't they just put the games on square discs?
>>342545975
Using SD cards would require some sort of hardware identifier to determine if they are legit or pirated. So they'd have to get custom hardware anyway.
>>342546313
That's not true, is it?
I remember when I got Splatoon, I had to install it.
The last game I bought for WiiU was Xenoblade but I'm pretty sure I had to install that too.
Why not literally just ship the games in full 3.5" hard drives?
Only third world countries use dvds anymore
everyone else moved to the internet and flash drives
>>342546383
Tricked again, I was actually being retarded.Sorry
>>342545495
Lies. A ps game is going to run the same (at best) as it would in a ps on an emulator, not better.
Otherwise it'd be a mod. And mods aren't games.
>>342546549
more surface area = more data
it's genius.
>>342546313
If I remember Nintendo uses Panasonic blu ray disks and not the same as proprietary blu rays from Sony.
Microsoft pays royalties to use blurays on xbone, if Nintendo start using physical memory this would bring a lot more of possibilites for users.
But, well give third parties a reason to switch is kinda hard.
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>>342545513
JUST DO IT, NINTENDO.
>>342546210
>>342546223
>implying it's not the cheapest way to get Kontakt, Absynth, Massive, and FM8
Too many sample libraries use Kontakt and those synths are damn great.
>>342546008
wouldn't having a dual purpose card eat into their profits? What would essentially be two versions of one title now becomes one purchase point. Or am I functionally retarded?
>>342546008
If they can get the cases smaller than 3DS ones then it'd help them in both shipping weight/size and in floor space too.
>>342546564
i didn't install those games, you might be thinking of updates. you don't install games from the disc on the wii u
>>342540807
>Nintendo is moving to the cloud.
Not for another hundred years.
>>342534813
What's wrong with flash carts?
>>342546578
>not having each title be its own console complete with custom controller
>>342546938
u rite, u rite.
>>342546797
The idea is to just sell software no matter what you want to play it on.
>>342547032
Fuck yeah. Tiger Master Race will rise again
>>342547004
Some people think of cartridges with a 1996 view of technology and fail to recognize that technology has advanced.
Proof read your posts before submitting, faggots.
The amount of errors in this thread is disgusting.
>>342546527
Kill yourself retarded
>>342545838
>>342546037
5 single layer DVDs ~ 1 Wii U disc.
>>342546789
their synths are dope, but I don't really care about sample libraries.
Maybe it's because I fuck with samples a lot and I've amassed quite a big library of drum samples. Plus I also use a MPC and some SP's, so I'm used to using stand alone samples.
>>342547263
suck my tiny dick
>>342547004
Literally nothing. It was a problem in the 90s when solid state media was a relatively new and expensive technology.
>>342539557
Vita can do better than that shit port job.
>>342535314
Then, some terrorist group or the government starts burning their ideals into your head and brainwash you into obeying them or killing you.
>>342547440
Well, blu ray disks is a proprietary format from Sony.
Switching to solid memory is quite a big deal. But nintendo uses Blurays from Panasonic without media format.
Good.
Optical media is becoming obsolete anyway
>>342547648
Like Oaxaca?
>>342536713
...holy fuck don't talk anymore. That post gave me cancer.
>>342536423
Good luck having digital music, sound, decent (for the time) textures and anywhere near FF7 levels of content on a cartridge-only PSX.
Optical media is a literal requirement for AAA games to even exist.
Carts are pretty gud familam
>Small form factor
>More durable than disks
>Faster load times
Their only real downside is that they're more expensive, which can be circumvented if Nintendo managed to get a good deal with their cart-producing company.
>>342548245
was*
>>342547946
What?
>>342547348
I'm on the other side of that. Kontakt for me is just a way to play with an orchestra in a box.
I got burned on the EWQL meme and went all-in for the Hollywood series, but their PLAY engine is useless shit, so I went with whatever I could find that played well.
I've finally patched together a bunch of sample kits from different companies (some Kontakt, some Vienna, some other proprietary plugins) to get a coherent sound that's actually playable, and it only took me 15 years and little under 10 grand to do.
0/10 would not recommend my life
>>342536959
Lol that logic leap son
>>342534813
Oh no...
>>342535150
>Disk 1 of 6000
>>342537195
>Buy a game, and you get the disc and the cartridge for it.
This makes no sense at all from a business standpoint.
They will go with one or the other.
>>342542442
Hey just because they never had Wiis in your shithole of a third world country does not mean they sold poorly.
>>342548285
Well this is their provider they're the ones currently in charge of the 3DS carts.
http://www.macronix.com/CachePages/en-us-default.aspx
>>342535514
cartridge manufacturing prices have dropped considerably since the n64
>>342548404
Still is.
AAA gaming today requires dozens of gigabytes of storage. You can't get that from any rewritable format without skyrocketing the price of games into the hundreds (flat plastic disc are less than a dollar to reproduce whereas solid state media that can hold a AAA game costs almost as much as the AAA game itself).
>>342549529
wow. literally dozens of gigabytes? how many teraflops and zip zops?
>>342549529
>solid state media that can hold a AAA game costs almost as much as the AAA game itself
Why do you blatantly lie?
>>342549529
We have SD cards that go for 128gb easy. Bluray disks can go up to 50gb assuming that you use a dual layer disk.
It's not really that expensive order in bulk. Also, for Xbone and well as PS4 sony takes a cut, since they use Sony Bluray disks.
>>342549850
out of curiosity what is the manufacturing cost for something like a flash card?
>>342549450
They still aren't cheaper than an optical disc. We'll see how it shakes out. I'd lean towards the NX being a portable device if it uses cartridges.
>>342550037
>It's not really that expensive order in bulk
For you. Publishers =/= consumers.
How big would you want cartridges to be? I think N64 cartridges are just on point
>>342550306
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/53/CRVDisc.jpg
I want it to be the size of the thing on the left. Anything less, I don't buy.
>>342537526
Beta proved otherwise
>>342550306
i would prefer the shape of a super nintendo cart for the square edges
>>342550491
you know you can just post images here instead of a link, 4chan is an imageboard
>>342549529
if they were SOO much cheaper why were these Failed piece of media hardware just as expensive as a DS game ?
>>342542857
what the
>>342550818
>i would prefer the shape of a super nintendo cart for the square edges
Why in gods name would you wnat that giant waste of plastic and space
>>342550306
It would be the size of like an SD card.
>>342550891
Why would producers ever pass production cost reductions to the customers when competitively they don't have to?
With how small electronics are these days, wouldn't it be better to move back to a physical system?
Cost efficiency aside, you could store terabytes of data in something the size of a N64 cartridge nowadays.
We could be seeing just incredibly massive games come out from Nintendo when the NX drops, completely skipping the step of them even considering using bluray.
>>342550306
64gb
>>342548245
>>342549529
Sound quality is the only real downside Nigga.
>>342551759
>Cost efficiency aside
That's not really how it works. That was a large part of the impetus to move away from cartridges back in the mid-90s. That cost disparity has lessened dramatically, but it is still significant at the scales publishers are looking at for a print run.
There is going to need some incentive for the publishers who have two other platforms who eat the cost of an optical drive and hard drive.
>>342551759
The problem is price.
Sure getting ride of Sony proprietary format is a dream of everyone, but cost aside Bluray is going keep around a while. Blurays cost like 05 cents to make.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zjd4A5GDOo&feature=youtu.be&t=6m17s
CONFIRMED
CONFIRMED
CONFIRMED
>But when- IF we decide to .. umm .. when we decide to use different media ...
>>342536789
Now THIS is how you commentate a game. This is what the world needs.Also obligatory part about how incredible the game looks and sounds
>>342551938
>I have no idea how demanding every aspect of AAA games are on storage.
>>342552324
Compress your shit.
Also Blurays are 50 gb, Nowdays we have 128gb cards.
Storage space is not a issue.
>we know it's stronger than the Wii U
>we know it will at least have the superior version of Zelda
From a practical sense, I'm still pretty excited as a Nintendo fan. However, that might be because I've skipped the 8th gen so far so I'm not as invested or embittered.
>>342538108
Back in the cart days?
No, extra shit in the cart meant higher costs. Starfox on the SNES was like $90 or something because of the FX chip.
>>342534813
Fuck it I hope they do.
Disks always felt a little too flimsy to me.
>>342552713
nintendo won't need to put CPU and GPU chips inside the game cartidges you silly.
Just the data.
>>342534813
>instant load times
>>342550491
>links to a picture
Are you from reddit or something?
>>342553225
Not really instant but lower loading times.
Also higher storage space.
>>342546797
I don't have any metric make any statements for this honestly.
But in this case, Nintendo's consolidating their home console and their handheld install base into a single unified install base as well as integrating their development environments so they only need to develop 1 game. I assume this would be cheaper for Nintendo in the long run.
>>342546817
Good point.
>Special edition gold cartridge of Zelda for NX
>>342553225
It wouldn't be anywhere near instant. There are still load times on the 3DS. There were load times on the N64 [though they were well hidden and much shorter than their counterparts].
The larger the amount of actual data the console has to seek through and read on the cartridge, the longer the potential load times are. It also depends on how fast the cartridge would be.
>>342547648
>brainwash you into obeying them or killing you.
They already do this so that would just be inefficient. Both freedom and control are illusions.
>>342534813
It will be like amiibo bullshitery
Pay a physical copy to enable your console as a owner of the game and download it from the e-shop
Want to get spla2n? Buy a fucking amiibo. Which now cost 70 each
Welcome to the age of e-jews and digital rights, where you, the consumer, have none
>>342552324
>Don't know how hardware works.
Meanwhile developers hardly compress their softwares. And as you know there are even 2tb pendrives.
So there.
>>342540889
3DS games cost less to make and hold less data than consoles, disc games where their budgets are usually inflated for unnecessary reasons.
There are more third parties on the 3DS because the risk isn't severely high unlike the Wii U for third parties and because the face the 3DS have a big installbase to guarantee an income.
Am I the only person on the face of the earth who misses memory cards? Not in a nostalgic way, it was just a shit ton easier to transfer game data from your house to a friend's instead of lugging the whole fucking console over
>>342551416
square just feels better it feels more solid. i want to wack it into the console
>>342554429
cloud saves kind of eliminate that.
>>342540546
>PSX
When will this meme end?
>>342538945
Even in the NES, SNES days, Nintendo wasn't on good terms with 3rd parties.
Just because their games was on their systems, doesn't mean they were best buddies and all.
>>342554429
Cloud saves make it pointless.
Last time that a console had something like a memory card was Wii with SD card saves but even with that Wii have memory for saves.
It's more expensive for sure but not that much so. Especially if most of the cart is used as ROM.
Cheap flash storage has poor write endurance, for the NX's cartridges that doesn't matter. You're not rewriting the game files.
>>342540769
>No fucking moving parts that can break.
Electricity still move.
>>342554535
When you cease to be an underaged faggot.
>>342534813
And how is this bad? Seems pretty sweet to me OP.
It's not 1996 anymore. Even if it uses cartridges, it won't have the limited memory of the N64.
>>342554267
So then it follows that if the NX has a big install base then there would be more third parties
>>342548730
yikes
I'm sorry
>>342540110
>Nintendo
>cheap
Why would someone lie on the internet?
>>342555750
People have high expectation for Console games, and games have bigger and inflated budget for some reason.
Portables are safer than Consoles because there is no AAA dev to eat sales and people have lower expectation.
Also 2d games get free pass on Portables but not on consoles.
>>342556298
Games on console have bigger budgets because there is simply more power to take advantage of, but just because budgets are lower doesn't mean there aren't AAA games on portable.
>nintendo goes mobile only after the nx
you know it's true.
>>342553579
you know, this actually nothing to scoff at. Don't undermine the power of implied value and worth to the player. Having specialized carts and art can do huge things for sales and brand loyalty.
>>342555065
>Electricity still move.
Everything is moving once you get down to the electron level, unless your parents keep your basement at absolute zero.
>>342554724
>game prices increases marginally
>that is enough for manbabies to cry and revolt against it keeping us in the optical media dark ages for another 10 years.
DRM is bad, except when Nintendo does it
>>342557417
Nice bluray proprietary format dipshit.
>>342557417
Consoles are inherently DRM, doesn't matter what fucking media they use
>>342557208
>Instant loading times
>nintendo console's gpu/ram
lelkek. the only way to have instant loading
times in 3d games is having a fast as fuck gpu ram
also cartridges are supposed to be read-only
if not, they are just for incomplete and buggy games that need
to be fixed on a SSD that is not going to solve the loading
times in 3d games either
even more not even 2d are loading instantly today, even on pc
so keep waiting another 452543 years.
this is just nostagia bullshit from nintendo.
>>342534813
>tfw flasdrives are now going to be superior to discs
>>342547263
Yes, mein grammar fuhrer.
>>342558159
They always have been
>>342536420
no load times, plus if the NX is the mobile/console hybrid it's supposed to be cartridges would be way more mobile than disks
>>342558159
FF7 Remake on cartridge.
>>342535564
So is internet access for NX confirmed?
>>342541154
the nintendo 64 DD did exactly that and it fell flat on its ass
>>342558506
Why would it not have internet access?
>>342558391
>Square abondons partnership with Nintendo because optical disks allow them more freedom than cartridges
>Square partners with Nintendo because cartridges allow them more freedom than blurays
Pottery
>>342552492
>Compress your shit.
>implying sounds and graphics in AAA games aren't already as compressed as humanly possible.
>>342558770
Fuck no they aren't compressed for shit sometimes.
FFXIII is a uncompressed mess for exemple.
>>342552492
>>342554237
>>342558159
Again, good fucking luck getting publishers to pay more than they already do for media.
>>342558770
>AAA games, not wasting space on disc even for future DLC that are already on disc
>>342558987
Good. More compression means inferior audio and graphical fidelity.
DOOM 3's sound design was liquid shit for this reason among others. Fucking 96kbps ogg files.
>>342534813
I seriously hope they do. I've been complaining about the disk format for years ever since thumb drives went to USB 3 and could hold 32gb of data pretty cheaply. Carts are just the superior technology. Always have been. We just didn't realize it before.
>>342557967
are you on drugs?
>>342559235
no. why you think that?
>>342558995
Nintendo's already proved they don't need AAA publishers to be successful.
Look at the Wii and DS top sales. Every single one of them is a Nintendo or a Nintendo partnered publisher with only Just Dance being the exception.
Even then, a physical cart will likely mean an increase in price. Higher price means a bigger publisher cut. Its a win win for them.
>>342536397
>Vita carts cost 4-6 times as much to produce as a Bluray,
You honestly don't believe this do you?
Tech goes down in price really quickly.
>>342559664
Higher price per game means higher price second hand too, meaning more demand for reprints.
>>342559664
>Even then, a physical cart will likely mean an increase in price. Higher price means a bigger publisher cut. Its a win win for them.
Just like it was for N64. Oh wait
>>342543727
it hurts
>>342546735
>But, well give third parties a reason to switch is kinda hard.
Especially since they're vehemently against Nintendo to the point where they would turn off potential fans.
>>342534813
who cares? The console will have no games like wii u
Absolutely no fucking way Nintendo can afford to get away with cartridges or solid state or whatever the fuck. They BARELY scraped by with the N64, and that was when Nintendo still had some actual pedigree in the industry, not to mention an interface gimmick that actually appealed to developers which they had a two year head start over Sony in regards to. (Imagine Goldeneye without an analog stick!) With Nintendo's reputation deep within a pool of fucking literal shit it would be goddamn suicide to repeat the same mistake they made with the N64 along with whatever the fuck the NX is going to be (hint: it's not going to be good, or anything third or even second parties will want fucking anything to do with).
The costs of cartridges made publishers everywhere run screaming from Nintendo. The GOOD Nintendo, mind you. Imagine the result if Ass End of All Industry Jokes Nintendo does the same thing now.
>>342561034
Solid state memory is way cheaper now than it was in the 90s and has the same storage capacity or more than blu ray disks.
>>342561034
They ran away from nintendo because storage space.
Now solid memory have huge storage space in comparison to bluray disks, also they are a lot more cheaper than 90s.
Sure it's more expensive than disks but kinda worth take the risk. Technology marches on.
>>342561310
Until it's literally as cheap as optical media, good luck getting your average publisher on board.
>>342561591
>They ran away from nintendo because storage space.
Actually last time I checked it was because of manufacturing costs. Why do you think Nintendo games were so goddamn expensive?
>>342551938
>Sound quality is the only real downside Nigga.
No, it isn't. Sound quality is decided by sampling rate. Also even the DS had streaming media.
>>342561591
at this point they're not that much faster than blu-rays and a cart takes 2-3 bucks to make as opposed to 1 dollar per disc. That's not a small chunk of money.
Unless Nintendo were to swallow the cost for carts I doubt they would convince outside parties to jump on-board.
>>342561596
But Nintendo already doesn't care about third party publishers.
>>342561813
lack of third party is literally what killed the wii u.
>>342558770
PS1 games?
Discs are better for storage was a meme, niggers put the music uncompressed.
>>342558995
Nintendo DS happened and they both win, also the consumer.
>>342561908
The lack of first party is what killed the WiiU
>>342561908
The lack of Killer app killed the WiiU.
Splatoon and Mario maker took too long to release.
If they were launch games WiiU could have moved a lot of units right off the bat. Also game drought affected a lot the sales. Now NX have Zelda right off the launch, this alone can move a lot units
>>342562098
>Discs are better for storage was a meme, niggers put the music uncompressed.
Because they didn't have the compression technology back then you fucking idiot. Modern MPEG audio wouldn't exist for another 2-3 years after the Playstation launched.
>>342535326
Third party can drum up 100s of any other reasons to not make games on Nintendo, They wont change their mind so why bother?
>It's cheap enough for me that means it's cheap enough for the industry!
You're approaching this from a consumer standpoint, not a corporate one. You're not making bulk purchases in the millions, nor are you an evil, greedy piece of hypercapitalist shit. But publishers do and are.
It doesn't matter how small the difference in expense is between optical and SS. If there is a difference AT ALL, your average publisher is going to refuse to pay it. Simple as that. The only thing that would reconcile this would be if the NX had something which appealed to third parties in which case AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHhjkaldsflh;ahpkjrsdfg
This is retarded, how can you go back into cartridges, when 99% of developers release unfinished games that need patch or release season passes before the game is even out?
>>342561730
It is. That's literally the sacrifice for having carts/cards for your games.
Ds/3ds are the proof.
>>342561908
What is marketing?
>>342562261
>Games are too big.
>"Th-The developers doesn't have the proper tools to compress 4k graphical resources".
Nah, they could and they didn't period.
>>342562635
Cartridges wouldn't limit that in any capacity
>>342561810
>at this point they're not that much faster than blu-rays
That's fucking bullshit
>>342562647
>4k graphical resources
>in 1995
Nigga the fuck are you talking about?
flash cards seem like the best way to go desu
>>342562780
If you need to download something, then its not on the cartridge, therefor there is no point in a cartridge in the first place.
>>342562882
Nigga you can't read between lines?
>>342562893
>assuming a cartridge has to be read only
>>342562647
DS has a lower sample rate than a console and a fuck load of compression on the samples.
3DS has the capacity for higher quality samples but the sample rate is still pretty low. You're blaming a red herring.
>>342562997
>nintendo saying hello to piracy
>>342561908
Nah, poor advertising is what killed it.And third parties doing ass backward things like producing ports worse than PS3 ones on an easier to develop on system, dropping support for their games within a month and pulling shit like Ubisoft and Rayman.
>>342559664
>Even then, a physical cart will likely mean an increase in price.
Idiot. Do you not realize that the difference in manufacturing costs was so much as to mean diminishing returns in profit unless N64 games were literally TWICE the price of PSX games or more. Do you also realize that higher prices MEANS LESS FUCKING SALES, resulting in LESS net profits?!
Motherfucking mathematics, how the FUCK do they work
>>342539516
does a man who vocally stutters also stutter his punches.
>>342563063
It wouldn't point to compression when it sounds like if it was on mono. Not even a super compressed mp3 sounds like a 3ds.
>>342563269
*motherfucking economics, whatever
>>342539516
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWGXAcCL6tk
>>342563318
For fuck's sake, sound hardware on a 3DS isn't the same sound hardware on your phone or PC. That's the point being made. Cartridge has fuck all to do with that because the eShop exists and you can play games and movies on an SD card.
Someone have prices for Solid memory and Bluray disks in bulk?
I remember someone posting a list on /v/ , but I'm too lazy to search the post.
Insider here,
Ask me a question and I will reply with a yes or no.
>>342536954
>If you had a cartridge that is the size of an SSD or something, it wouldn't be that expensive or that small in capacity
>being this fucking retarded
We have solid state storage "the size of an SSD", they're called SOLID STATE DRIVES (SSDs) you dumb faggot. There is nothing more mass produced then that, or facing more cut throat competition, ludicrous economies of scale, or zilch margins. Go to Amazon or New Egg or whatever and tell us how much a 50 GB or equivalent (60, 64, whatever) costs, enough to actually match a Blu-ray (ignoring bigger BDs).
Have they gone down in price massively? Yes.
Are the pennies a piece, or at least a few bucks or less? No.
Is there even the slightest chance of them dropping in price by that much in the next few years? Hahahaha.
>>342563923
Is Iwata really dead or is he pulling an Elvis?
>>342562647
You're a grade a retard.
>>342542551
>This alone is an advantage SO FUCKING BIG that it's worth
Nobody but idiot autists in any way think that a +$20-30 premium, per game, is worth reducing install times.
Back in my day I could make a character with dozens upon dozens of animation sequences fit into a single megabyte! These kids these days just don't know how to optimize!
At the end of 2015 the price per MB was $0.0000283
Basically, $2 per 64GB
>>342562647
>muh compression
Compression is not some magic buzzword you can just use to reduce the size of anything infinitely. Most of the big assets (video, images, textures, sound) are all already compressed to the maximum technology allows. Going lower means sacrificing visual fidelity, which defeats the purpose.
No company will do this but I'm just asking. Is it vaiable to just invest in giving your system shitloads of memory and just selling everything digitally?
>>342546581
not really, everyone here uses internet and flash drives too
>>342564328
I think that a good deal with a chink manufacturer can lower the price for something lower. Disk media isn't going anywhere soon.
But, thanks anon.
>>342564328
What. "Cartridges" as in old style ROMs are not remotely that cheap. Neither is Flash, even if it's in a super slow, shitty USB stick. If you're talking something that actually performs well (which would be needed for all this "no install/load time" talk) then we're talking SSD pricing.
>>342535428
I have an audible stutter too and thought this post was pretty funny
>>342546581
Physical media isn't going away.
There are still "dead spots" for broadband service.
>>342564024
He is definitely gone. RIP Iwata
>>342565035
you're not the insider. Insider is laconic yes or no man. Be a good man like insider, he would never tell lies on the internet.
>>342550095
less than a dollar
It's just Nintendo going back to their roots. Solid state storage is better and more affordable now than it's ever been. The DS has been using cartridges the entire time and nobody ragged on it for that. Why wouldn't they do the same thing with the NX? Cuts down a lot of space taken up by a CD drive and hard drive, no moving parts, more room for cooling so they can go for more aggressive clocks on their hardware. Makes perfect sense to me.
>>342534813
On the plus side it'd have really fast loading times.
>>342539516
Y-you too.
They can basically be any size, most of the cart will be taken up by the connector and empty space.
>>342566276
this shit has terrible transfer rates.
>>342566372
UHS class 3 is 30mb/s which is equivalent to the 6x bluray in the PS4, except there's no seek times so streaming data could be way more consistent. Also a proprietary connector with a wider bus could probably increase the speed fairly easily.
>>342554547
>NES, SNES days, Nintendo wasn't on good terms with 3rd parties.
I dont exactly remember why but I DO know that EA has fucking beef with Nintendo over a deal where they primarily tried to fuck them over.
I dont know about the rest though it could either be bad business or an inferiority compex.Most of the US and European devs WISH they were as amazing as the Japanese devs.
>>342536882
So if I put a stack of empty dvds on top I can slam it in my compoopah and use it as a harddrive? You' re beyond retarded.
Do you even know the difference between a laser and a metal head?
>>342567165
True, but would it cost more than a Disc? If it's more than a BD and is only equivalent in speed, it doesn't seem worth the extra cash.
IT'S NOT THE DISC THAT MAKES SHIT EXPENSIVE
IS THE FUCKING GAME ITSELFAND MARKETING
YOU FUCKS
LET THE CARTDRIGES COME BACK
COLLECTING CARTS IS GOING TO BE A THING AGAIN
BETTER SHELFS
PRETTIER STUFF
LASTS LONGER
YOU CAN PUT IT INSIDE YOUR BUTTHOLE
AND MUCH MORE
FUCK CDS AND ITS COUSINS
>>342567767
>IT'S NOT THE DISC THAT MAKES SHIT EXPENSIVE
>IS THE FUCKING GAME ITSELF
You're right, and cartridges cost 2-3 times more than discs and have very few advantages. Try telling that to publishers.
>>342563560
And the same file sounds better on pc or phone. It's a hardware matter.
Cartridges are more of a hardware.
>>342567994
Did you not read the part about "eShop" in which you can download games your SD Card or your Wii U's Hard Drive?
By that logic SD cards should have lower quality too. The point being made is that cartridges are a storage medium. Format has no bearing on quality.
>>342567165
>equivalent to the 6x bluray in the PS4
The PS4 doesn't run it's games off the Blu-ray disc, though, so I don't know why you're making that comparison. You need to compare it to the 5400rpm HDD that comes standard with a PS4 because that's where the CPU/GPU are getting their information from.
Nintendo might very well be able to support their system single handedly if they really are only going to be developing for one platform instead of splitting the efforts between handheld and console, the loss of third parties may not be as disastrous as some forfend (and the third parties that have stuck with Nintendo thus far are likely to stay anyway)
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