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How are the english musical numbers?
game hasn't released, these reviews are all paid for by NoA as usual. wait for the release and see how fucking befuddled the actual players will be.
>>342488110
I am sorry I said it would be good.
>>342488110
Come back in a week when we have the user score
>>342488110
Now reviews matter again?
Someone buy it for me.
>>342488286
it's not dubbed
>>342488286
>English dub
wew
Atlus USA did something right for once and kept it Jap audio only.
>>342488423
They matter only when they coincide with the opinions of the person making the argument.
Fuck Off Tripspic
Anyone who thought this game wasn't a solid 8 was just deluding themselves. You can hate it all you want but it's still mechanically sound and fairly well designed.
That said I won't be buying it because of NoA's changes. I'll either wait to get it used or pirate it down the line, but it's not a priority for me since I have dozens of other games to work through.
Ah now I know why they made so many changes. It was to appeal to the reviewers.
I'm not going to read any of these reviews but hold up!
Are you telling me the latest game to be butchered by treehouse with a serious public backlash from the core audience is getting good review scores ?
Hold the phone, this doesnt sound like omething the sjw agenda would push at all.
Eh, I guess I'll pirate it then.
>>342488549
>buy P5 and support no original audio but you also get to support uncensored content
>buy #FE and support original audio, but also support censorship
>buy neither and risk the chance that cool Atlus RPGs never get released outside Japan.
They did this on purpose.
>Higher score than Planet Robobot
H-how did they do it bros?
>reviewers take points off when games are too sexy
>don't take points off when they're censored
I guess we know who games get censored for now
>>342488658
Confess
>>342488110
I love Tsubasa!
>an 8.8 used to have Nintendo fans on suicide watch
>now we're happy to have an 8.0
How the mighty have fallen.
You mean /v/'s whining about "censorship" didn't actually mean anything?
WHO COULD HAVE GUESSED!?
Help. Should I get this game? Will it be rare?
Atlus games are always good
>>342489439
Get me a copy while you're at it.
It also got good reviews in Japan, didn't stop it from only selling 39k copies
>>342489410
Go to bed, Reggie.
>>342488110
>censorship
No. I don't care how fun something is. Censorship, no buy.
>>342489238
EXCUSE ME WHAT
>>342489004
Pretty sure Persona 5 cover is censored, you can downplay or sugarcoat it till the cows come home, but it happened.
>>342489502
It'd be pal
I will never forget that 9.5 from Polygon
>>342489642
Fuck that
>>342489636
That cover is censored because of ESRB regulation. They don't have a choice.
I'd play it because I like Persona/Digimon Cyber Sleuth gameplay but the whole idol thing is too much for me to handle
I'll pass, sorry
Good to hear it's decent though
>>342489682
At least Australia is an oasis for limited editions. 1 person owns a wii u here and it's me
Just because it's been brain-numbingly censored to hell and back does not suddenly make it a bad or boring game. The gameplay is still solid.
It's still absolutely overwhelmingly mind-boggling how they went to such extreme extents to censor this particular game, though.
NoA recently put out a statement saying Paper Mario Color Splash does not have a Gamergate joke in it. Why the FUCK can they make a statement on that game and not explain anything about their decisions with this one?
I really wish somebody would ask them sometime. PR shit excuse or not, I just want an explanation.
>>342488423
No, apparantly they only matter when used to shill literal garbage like Unsharted 4 or overwatch.
>>342489805
Enjoy the game then,cunt.
>>342489238
I am genuinely upset. Wont be buying fe anyway but, poyo for life!
>>342489347
I know you're a sonypony and as such retarded by default, but it wasnt the score that was the issue, it was the fact that the reviewer went out of his way to not give the game a 9, and used a meme number like 8.87351/10 instead
>>342490448
>went out of his way to not give the game a 9
thats even worse for nintendo fans
>>342489636
Okay yeah, let's say it is censored, Catherine's cover was also censored, but was the actual game itself censored? No.
>>342490448
>b-b-but Sony
>>342490934
>b-b-b-but nintendo
>>342488110
No, it's typical weebshit and supporting it means we just get more dancing anime girls instead of some good stuff like a legi FEXSMT
But of course you fat virgins will.play it, love it, masturbate to it
>>342488110
Once Nintendo removes the censorship.
>>342490979
Yes this thread it's about a Nintendo "game"
Sheesh there drones don't even know what games are shilling anymore
>>342490296
Ah yea because "Persona but not actually Persona+idolshit" is better
If anyone should be apologizing, it's Nintendo of America.
>>342488110
I don't trust anyone other than IGN
>>342491549
8.1/10
>>342488110
Posting in every "metacritic and reviews matter when I want it to thread" regardless of intent or origin
CENSORFAGS BTFO
>>342492269
Yeah, this, Metacritic scores matter only when they fit my personal idea.
>>342488110
I'm sorry that the average reviewer doesn't understand I don't want to play the Muslim version.
>Westen press shits on JRPG and Japanese culture for being sexist
>A JRPG based around the whole Idol culture is getting high scores
I Guess putting the women in burkhas does work
>>342492617
It sure seems that way.
>>342492269
TLOU deserves that score
Skyward Sword doesn't deserve that score
God Hand deserves that score
Custom Robo is better on DS
>>342488110
why should i?
the game is great, already 7 hours in
>>342489636
Can't wait for the salt when it's actually censored
>>342492915
>Godhand deserves that score
Fuck your bait and fuck you, you double-nigger homofag.
>>342493081
What about Godhand warrants more than a score that means "good not great"?
That's the perfect description of Godhand.
>>342489439
Atlus usually prints a gorillion copies of their games but this is a Wii U game so who knows
>>342489410
the censorship happed alright
it almost seemed like they just censored random stuff
maybe they didn't have enough time to catch it all
>>342488110
So while this game got censored to hell and back, one of the treehouse girls tweeted this earlier.
Why are they such fucking hypocrites?
>>342488110
>gamerevolution
i can spot the sjw shill from the other threads 2 days ago talking about reviewing it
>>342489410
Don't be delusional, its still going to sell like absolute garbage.
I mean, it wouldve sold like garbage with or without censorship, but now it has no hope at all.
>>342492617
>Censor your game
>Cuck sites give it a good review
What a time to be alive
>>342493687
>Treehouse
>In charge of anything but dialogue
Nigga those "censored" bits were the work of the Atlus peeps and are in both versions of the game.
They had a change in heart on design. Get over it.
>>342493980
Fuck off retard.
>>342493962
>make a good game
>gets a good reviews because only like 5% of people care about the censorship
wew
>>342493962
http://blog.esuteru.com/archives/8606187.html
>>342492915
>God Hand deserves that score
Fuck off
>>342494125
>It still sells like dogshit because Americans don't care about j-pop or idols
This game was too weeb for Japan
>>342494076
>Game creators decide to change something
>le blame it on le censorship boogeyman meme
I'm sure the gameplay itself is fine, but I wonder how many reviews for it would be different if the game had been left uncensored. Like Polygon giving it a 9.5? Maybe so that it'd get better reviews is the real reason for censoring the game.
>>342494256
The localizers are the ones who changed the boss's tits, changed tsubasas weeding dress, altered an entire dungeon's plot, and removed an Adonis belt for some reason. Those things were not censored in the jap version.
Fuck off retard.
>>342494125
>make a good game
Is this you? https://twitter.com/OpKOWASHITAI
Starcuck zero BTFO
Kirby BTFO
color splash BTFO
it's over. #FE won.
>>342494415
no, i just bought the game and i'm enjoying it rn.
sorry that you need to find more petty reasons to not buy games.
>>342494421
What makes you think this will outsell Kirby?
>>342493687
No one is that unaware.
They know EXACTLY what they're doing.
>>342488110
No.
>>342494505
I don't want to buy it because it looks like arse
>>342494595
>muh sales
enjoy your babby game my friend. maybe in this one kirby gets a diaper power up. faggot
>>342494421
Kirby was well-received, dumb fuck.
>>342494732
ehh, i like artstyle and character designs.
What if the censorship was done by the original devs themselves? They did rerecord lines to fit the rewrites, even though the voices are in Japanese.
>>342494415
thats the tripfag tharjaanon
https://boards.fireden.net/vg/search/username/TharjaAnon/page/1/
>>342490261
People are yelling louder at the Five Fungi joke then they are at #FE censorship.
>>342494751
>M-muh reviews
Enjoy your censored idoltrash.
>>342488110
>82
>Worse than second worst mainline
Shit.
Tsubasa is waiting for everyone, anons!I get to enjoy her now
>>342494853
It wasn't. The jap VAs did that at NoAs request. We've already listed several things ITT that were censored in the NA version and not the jap version.
>>342494905
>grown manchild
>plays babby's first platformer
can't make this shit up senpai.
>>342493980
As far as I know, only the zipper panties were changed in all versions. Everything else that was censored was thanks to NoA's strict supervision.
>>342495087
>Buys idolshit
>Calls other people manchildren
Can't make this shit up.
>>342491108
It still hurts
>>342488294
>implying NoA had to pay even a cent for Polygon to bait and glorify their censorship
>implying Nintendrones and every single Wii U owner who plays on it will not love this game for existing seeing as it's the first game in over a decade for the system
>>>/vg/ weebshit
>>342495193
cheer up kirby manchild. just don't forget to change your diaper.
>>342494853
>What if the censorship was done by the original devs themselves?
It wasn't.
>>342495353
How many idol figures do you own?
>tfw want to support a decision that don't always have to be dubbed and legitimately interested in the game
>Don't want to support censorship
Fuck man
>>342488294
>NoA
>paying for reviews
lol, no.Here's a (you) for ya.
>>342495484
For some reason. Left makes me harder.
>>342488110
>R-reviews matter!!!
>>342494751
>Sales don't matter
TMS drones sure are some dedicated shitposters.
>Make weeb garbage
>Censor it
Who is this supposed to appeal to?
>>342495495
do you watch MLP as well?
>>342495745
Self-healing neofags who love anime but get triggered by breasts.
>>342495635
No amount of money could buy positive reviews for that game anon. The damn thing couldn't even be played properly, those controls were more of a shitfest than skyward sword.
>>342494994
He voice is shit mate
>>342493962
>Actual muslim dress is showing more skin that the game one
>>342495762
How many j-pop records have you imported this year?
>>342489681
Probably a weeb reviewing it. If it was Gies reviewing, it would certainly be a5
>>342488110
apologize for what? it's still censored to hell.
>>342495745
SJWs, apparently. See >>342492893
>>342495817
*Self-hating
>>342488110
Censored Idol Shit
emphasis on shit.
If you think that not buying the game because of the retarded censorship is making a statement or in any way is voting with your dollars, I have to inform you that the reality is the game will sell poorly and Atlus and Now Nintendo will say "Oh I guess our audience doesn't like this sort of game" and move on.
>>342496268
The game is going to sell like shit regardless. It couldn't even sell in Japan, where idolshit is actually popular. Its not even on the Vita, it never had a chance.
leak when
>>342494256
>NoA
>game creators
>>342496268
Don't care. They can keep this in Japan if they are gonna bring it over censored. Or pull that bullshit where they censor some of it to cause a shitstorm for sales.
It's not fucking fair. Why did this weeb trash get a higher score than Planet Robobot and Starfox. Fuck this garbage
>>342496268
I get to keep my money, so it's still a win for me.
>>342494751
>maybe in this one kirby gets a diaper power up.
Ouch.
>>342488423
t. sonygger who petitioned to remove the negative uncharted review
I don't care what reviews it's getting, it's not the SMT x Fire Emblem crossover I wanted. I wanted a mix of SRW, devil survivor, and fire emblem.Also fuck idolshit.
>>342488286
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTl8gDQiKiE
>>342496268
>If you think that not buying the game because of the retarded censorship is making a statement or in any way is voting with your dollars
Seeing as buying the game directly supports the censorship, "voting with your dollars" is exactly what it is.
If you think a business is being scummy about what they're offering, the correct response is to both not buy what they're selling and spread the word that they're being scummy and why.
>>342497013
>not playing untranslated majin tensei
>>342496731
>Censor your game
>Nu males give it a good review.
There you go.
Keep in mind that the same reviews these #FEfags are gloating about are from the same people who docked points from Bayo 2 because she's sexualized.
>>342496752
This. NoA saved me 60 fucking bucks.
No eShop sale will ever come close.
>>342496825
retard
>>342495637
Do you have a thing for unitards or bodysuits, because that might be what it's invoking.
bravo NoA
>>342496731
Because Kirby and Starshit are just casual games. No nintendo games deserve a score higher than 70.
>>342494076
The most odd thing about this is that it is indeed censored for whatever seconds or whatever it is in this cutscene, but then when the actual battle starts it's uncensored again.
So what was even the fucking point?
>>342497382
I don't but I'm tired of seeing anime tiddies fucking everywhere so left is a nice change.
>>342495693
/thread
I've never seen anything but shitposting from #FE faggots
>>342496074
Playing the contrarian card here gets them the most clicks. If #FE was a good game and widely accepted, they'd be trashing it.
>>342494901
Why they've made a statement on that is beyond me. Just ignore the triggered mouth breathers and everyone will forget that they even existed soon enough.
>>342497768
>I'm tired of seeing anime tiddies fucking everywhere
>>342493980
>>342494853
The only thing that was change was the pants for one girl so they could be shown in karaokes in japan
The rest is all for the american version
>>342492893
>polygon
kirby wasn't censored so it didn't get a good score. NoA shilled and bribed all the reviewers just so #FE could get 80+ score. kirby got 80+just by being an near perfect game.
>>342498106
Nice reading comparison mate.
>>342498454
> I'm tired of seeing anime tiddies fucking everywhere so covering them up is a nice change.
>hurrr reading comprehension
you're an idiot.
who gives a fuck about censorship. it's fucking anime titties. are you guys fucking virgins?
>>342497505
HOW DO YOU DO MY FELLOW IDOLS?
"no"
What's sad is that this will most likely be Wii U's best game of 2016 by default.
>>342498681
>Bitching about fanservice in an idol j-pop game
You must be a special kind of retard
>>342498681
Who the fuck do you think the target audience for this game is dipshit?
I'll never understand this anti-sex sentiment used to defend the most blatant pandering idolshit games getting censored. It's like saying "who gives a fuck about balance?" and calling people virgin tryhards for complaining about catering to casuals in a competative game.
>>342498851
Zelda doesn't come out this year?
>>342497505
Are they just fucking with the consumer at this point? I just don't get it.
>>342498681
I'm usually on the "it's just tittes you faggots" side but this is an idol Japanese bubble gum pop game, pop Idols sexualize themselves alot.
>>342497505
Did they actually use 80's slang?! What the fuck Nintendo!
>>342499016
No.
>>342499016
Nope.
>>342498229
To be fair, they have a point there. Not that I care about links gender (the fuck has always been pretty androgynous anyway) but Nintendos reasoning behind not giving a fem Link was retarded. "Link is male, it would make more sense to let people play as Zelda. But then what do we do with link? It would throw the Triforce out of Balance"
Nigga it's your fantasy story. Do whatever the fuck you want with Link. Make him the kidnapped one, Make him locked in an eternal battle with Ganondorf for all time and Zelda has to come to the rescue, The fuck you mean Balance out of whack? It's always been 2guys 1girl, link and ganon as guys and Zelda as the girl. How is it out of Balance to maybe have 2 girls and one guy? How about all girls?
It's a fucking lame excuse. Just be honest and say: "We like it this way and we think it will sell better so we're not doing fem link" It's your franchise Nigga, do what you want but don't give me this shit of "oh it can't be done" because it fucking well can. That's why I admire certain other Japanese developers who when asked why their women are barely dressed Tittymonsters reply with "Because I like Tits!"
>uh mah gud, my 3d titties are censored. the game is ruined!
>>342498681
IT'S THE FUCKING PRECEDENT
>>342499618
precedent about what ?! teen girls titties being covered?!
>>342499578
Consistency in the lore of the world is important, if Link has always been a boy in the past why should he suddenly be a girl now?
>>342499578
>Do whatever the fuck you want with Link
That's essentially what they're doing. Nintendo is a large company with a public face so they gave a PR response to avoid backlash. But the reason Link won't be a girl boils down to "we don't want to".
A game from Nintendo and Atlus, two of the most renowned publishers and developers of all time.
Creators of the Fire Emblem and SMT series loved by hardcore fans and casuals alike.
And they can only muster an 8/10.
>>342488110
apologize to my 5 bitch
>>342499596
>Game initially shown as direct crossover
>"Actually we're not making that we're making this instead"
>Game about Medieval lords and monsters with demons and Satanists becomes a game about idols fighting with the power of friendship
>"No but you only hate it because no cleavage"
>"You're a neckbeard if you DON'T like this game"
>>342500010
>overhyping reused assets the company and guys who's only involvement was their IP
>>342498681
I LIVE FOR ANIME TITTIES NIGGA
>>342488110
And pathetic virgins here said that it wasn't going to be the game of the year. LMAOing at your lives
>but muh censorship
Literally why does it matter? they could censor it even twice as much and change even more dialogue and I still wouldn't care about that, literally only losers who can't get laid care about this
>>342499841
Not the guy you're talking to but I think it's important for the creators vision to be maintained in localization. The original devs obviously wanted fanservice in their game otherwise they wouldn't have added it. Its a package deal. That is the product they wanted to make, and paying for money for a version that's been cut and hacked to death that it doesn't even resemble the original is ridiculous.
They also altered an entire dungeon subplot, just fyi
>>342499841
>?!
Censorship should never be condoned or even accepted, no matter what, because companies might start thinking that it is acceptable, and move on to change core elements of the game.
I'm not saying that core elements of this game are changed, but if this goes over without a little complaining, maybe next time they just up and remove parts of the game, like the gravure dungeon, that do not fit with their agenda, and then we are left with less of a game.
>>342496268
Everyone always says this. If they're so fucking inept that they don't understands why their own products fail then fuck 'em.
>>342500267
>8.0
>GOTY
LMAOing at your life
Same as Japan
The reviews are fine but the sales will fucking tank
Meanwhile SMT4 Apocalypse will see lower reviews but considerably higher sales
I hope this pushes for a real SMTxFE on the3DSthat basically combines FE and Devil Survivor in gameplay
>>342496268
>No TMS sequel
>The west still gets FE and SMT
I don't see a problem here
>>342500545
the sales will tank because nobody gives a fuck about fan service.
>>342488110
no amount of reviews can redeem a shitty idol anime game
>>342500545
This. The same exact thing happened in Japan. It got high reviews from Famitsu and Dengeki but sold like shit. The same thing will happen here. Reviews mean nothing, this game caters to almost no one.
>>342493962
>tfw she is actually more covered up than the muzzie
>>342500694
No, it'd sell okay if they left it uncensored. But they forced away those that care about fanservice by censoring it
>>342499945
That's a pretty valid reason.
>>342496268
>"Oh I guess our audience doesn't like this sort of game"
That's the plan
I hate what they did to this supposed crossover so they won't get a cent from me for this game
I hope they never try any of this idol bullshit or bait and switch ever again
>>342500518
Defending TSM with scores is dumb because P4G has a metascore of like 94 and SMT purists hate that game
>>342500867
it wouldn't sell better if they kept the fan service in. nobody gives a damn about idol from japan here in america.
>>342488110
>Nintendo pays for reviews and shills this game hardcore
>A..a..pologize n..now guys... Please?!
Top fucking kek
>>342496731
>the 3 people that have been non-stop shilling the game review it
>surprised that it's rated that high
wew
>>342488286
No dub
>>342496603
This is actually a really interesting statement. In 30+ years noa has never made anything or done anything productive. Even sony had first party titles developed in both countries
Reminder this game couldn't even sell 30.000 copies TO THIS DAY in Japan.
Biggest commercial failure of this gen, they'll never recover the money.
I'm guessing 10.000 sales first week 15.000 lifetime on USA.
>>342498607
Don't you love when fucking imbeciles try to change the script?
>>342497189
/thread
>>342488294
>these reviews are all paid
>unclaimed conjectures
>>342488110
>8.25
>>342499903
Nigga can you read? It's a fantasy story. They can do whatever they want. There is literally no reason not to break the lore.
I mean fuck it's not like Zelda games are consistent from game to game.
>In OoT he switches around between being a kid now and then a squid no... I mean an Adult. He's also the chosen one
>in MM he's a slightly older kid that gets fucked by a cursed kid and transforms into different species to save the day
>in WW he's largely just some guy trying to save his sister and some other folk in the process. Also he controls the wind
>in TP he's a fucking dog for half the game with a very erotic imp on his back.
And you're telling me: "Oh no he couldn't be a girl. That would not fit with the lore at all" He can be literally any race and even a fucking animal but he can't be a fucking girl? Or he can't be captured while you play as Zelda? Go fuck yourself. "bu-but that was only temporary! he wasn't really a dog he was just transformed!" So what? You still played large fucking parts of the game as a god damn dog. SURELY you can survive being a girl for one game.
>>342499945
That much is obvious, But like I said they should just have owned up to it.
>>342488110
It it would take is 2 Finnish fucks to not like your game and it goes into the 70s
>>342501153
Take a good look at this thread again, tasteless retards are more common in the west than in Japan, this shit will sell regardless of what happens.
>Anti-censorship fags complain about the game
>"Journalists" consider anti-censorship fags, just gg
>Give the censored game an high score out of spite
It's not hard.
>>342499945
>>Do whatever the fuck you want with Link
>That's essentially what they're doing. Nintendo is a large company with a public face so they gave a PR response to avoid backlash. But the reason Link won't be a girl boils down to "we don't want to"
Oh the irony
>>342496268
If they get hacked to pieces anyway what the fuck do I care?
>>342489747
Was it really censored? Or is this just a meme?
>>342501334
Should they allow you to modify link's hair/eye color, alongside his weight, height and race?
Should they introduce male-samus?
What about a fem-mario?
The design of a mascot character like link is important, arbitrarily allowing the players to modify it, is a good way destroying it.
>>342502038
>Should they allow you to modify link's hair/eye color, alongside his weight, height and race?
Yes
>Should they introduce male-samus?
No
>What about a fem-mario?
Yes
>>342502001
A character's face was moved over another character's cleavage on the cover so their face isn't covered by the ESRB logo.
That's literally it
>>342502224
Go to bed Ben
>>342492269
>skyward sword
>93
Fucking disgusting
>>342501593
Not really. They get to do whatever the fuck they want with link they just can't respond to the public however the fuck they want.
>>342488110
Fire Emblem Opening Sales Comparison
1-[3DS] Fire Emblem Fates: Birthright / Conquest (Nintendo) {2015-06-25} — 353,201 / 536,121 [Famitsu Tracker Data]
2-[3DS] Fire Emblem: Awakening (Nintendo) {2012-04-19} — 242,600 / 481,865
3-[NDS] Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon (Nintendo) {2008-08-07} — 147,704 / 252,309 [Famitsu Tracker Data]
4-[WII] Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn (Nintendo) {2007-02-22} — 73,337 / 171,924 [Famitsu Tracker Data]
5-[WIU] Genei Ibun Roku #FE (Nintendo) {2015-12-26} — 23,806 / NEW [Famitsu Tracker Data]
Shin Megami Tensei Opening Sales Comparison
1-[3DS] Shin Megami Tensei IV (Atlus) {2013-05-23} — 188,562 / 262,150
2-[PS2] Shin Megami Tensei III: Nocturne (Atlus) {2003-02-20} — 151,203 / 245,520 [Famitsu Tracker Data]
3-[NDS] Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey (Atlus) {2009-10-08} — 91,000 / 136,149 [Famitsu Tracker Data]
3-[PS2] Shin Megami Tensei III: Nocturne Maniax (Atlus) {2004-01-29} — 40,907 / 77,791 [Famitsu Tracker Data]
4-[WIU] Genei Ibun Roku #FE (Nintendo) {2015-12-26} — 23,806 / NEW [Famitsu Tracker Data]
Daily Reminder that even the Japs are laughing at the people who will buy this censored garbage:
http://blog.esuteru.com/archives/8606187.html
>>342488294
It's localized by Atlus.
>>342489747
HAHAAH
Deadpool was Rated at 14A in Canada
You can watch a guy get but fucked and gore out the ass and hear fuck 84 times at the age of 15.
BUT NO NO NONO NO Our video game better not have cleavage. Kill yourself idiot.
>>342500908
Sure, but it's one that would have drawed ire from all the crybabies who demand link be a female protag in a mainline zelda game. These people will never be sated, giving a lore reason is the least offensive
>>342501334
>I mean fuck it's not like Zelda games are consistent from game to game.
Link is a boy in every single Zelda game. It's one of the characters defining traits.
>But like I said they should just have owned up to it.
Which would have never happened, because again Nintendo is a large public-facing companies.
Lesser known Japanese developers can get away with saying "I like Tits!" because they don't have to answer to western audences. I believe Harada-san brought this up in a recent interview over why Summer Lesson isn't being localized outside of Japan.
“Also when you think about the current game situation and the climate in different countries where you have to have characters from every different race or nationality, someone else would say ‘mine is not included,’ which is the climate we currently see with games. Since there are people who can’t set aside the game and the actual problems in society, I don’t want open that can of worms" - Harada, the game director
>Gameplay looks great, anyone who has bothered to play it says it plays great
>Hate idols with extreme prejudice
>Taking out fanservice of a fanservice game
What a gay earth.
>>342502490
Under supervision from NoA. Since they're publishing it in the west
It's the same story with Braviry Default.
>>342501334
>If race doesn't matter why not make the main character black?
>If race doesn't matter why make the main character black?
>SJW sites like Polygon hate almost anything from Japan
>jrpg got heavily censored and most gamers complained about it and decided to boycott it by not pirating
>SJWs give it positive reviews
Hmmmmm!
>>342495851
>Nintendo paid critics to score it better than they usually would have
>They did
>>342503732
>boycott it by not pirating
I'm not sure that's how it works.
>>342503732
>boycott it by not pirating
How did they manage that?
>>342504037
>>342504089
Sorry. I meant by not buying it.
![link_generations_by_zerjer97-d62os96-why-a-live-action-zelda-netflix-series-would-be-widely-successful-png-299012[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/xE3BKXu.jpg "link generations by zerjer97-d62os96-why-a-live-action-zelda-netflix-series-would-be-widely-successful-png-299012[1]")
>>342502038
Nigga can you fucking read? I'm not saying "OMG THEY SHOULD" I'm saying THEY TOTALLY COULD BUT IF THEY DON'T WANT THEN THAT'S TOTALLY OK TOO you fucking turbo backwards ass mongrel. And to your questions, Why the fuck not? Link has been INCREDIBLY diverse over the years. He has been 2D has been a Kid, has been a teen has been an adult has been a toon has been a dog has been fucking almost everything except a girl. So why is the leap for you that fucking big? Who cares if you adjust his hight when there are pretty much 20 fucking different Links anyway? Male Samus can't be worse than other M samus so give it a try. Why not fem mario? You already pleayed as Peach and it was pretty much Identical. You just could float making her even better than mario in a number of levels.
And like I said, If you could read you would understand that I'm not saying "omg you have to give us fem-link" I'm saying there is no reason not do it besides not wanting to. And not wanting too is a perfectly acceptable reason you turbotard
>>342502679
>it's one of his defining traits.
It's totally not. He has been a boy but he has no male traits whatsoever. he's an androgynous fuck in most of them, and he doesn't really have any typical male character traits other than maybe that he's a bit intimidated by girls he likes in OoT. But that's hardly "one of his defining traits", His defining traits are that fucking tunic and that he is brave. that he shows courage and does what's right no matter what he has to face. "Being a man" is a defining trait for duke nukem or serious sam or even Dante to an extend. But certainly not one of Links.
>>342492915
>God Hand deserves that score
Nice try
>>342503645
Like I said earlier. Missing the point. You don't have to do anything. You however could do anything. Tell the story you want to tell and don't behind silly excuses like "oh it's too hard to come up with a reason to play as zelda" because it is fucking not. I bet that most anons could come up with 5 reasons at least for a plot that involves you to play as zelda.
It's not about "I want muh diversity!" (I don't give a rats ass about diversity, I'm a fucking blonde, blue eyed german) It's about not giving absolute bullshit excuses. You CAN make a protagonist black if you want to. But you don't have too if you don't feel like it. It's your story.
>>342503645
Its a style choice. I think that everyone thinks its 'progressive' these days to do stuff like that.
But they would never make the MC a chinese guy, native american, or even Hispanic even though hispanics outnumber black people in America.
I think theres a tax credit for video games with 'diverse' casts, maybe thats why they do it.
Japan hasn't given a single fuck about that line of reasoning.
>>342497505
>Yo homeslice! What's groovin? What are the haps?
Oh my fuck
I have to watch a lets play of this just for the retarded dialogue if this is true
>>342489274
Are there any reviews of games where the reviewer actually, specifically took off points because of sexiness?
>>342504257
When did you found out you suffered from autism?
Because being unable to understand why a huge characteristic such as one's genre is an important aspect of a given character, means either deep stupidity or mental illness.
>>342504257
>Nigga can you fucking read? I'm not saying "OMG THEY SHOULD" I'm saying THEY TOTALLY COULD BUT IF THEY DON'T WANT THEN THAT'S TOTALLY OK TOO you fucking turbo backwards ass mongrel. And to your questions, Why the fuck not? Link has been INCREDIBLY diverse over the years. He has been 2D has been a Kid, has been a teen has been an adult has been a toon has been a dog has been fucking almost everything except a girl. So why is the leap for you that fucking big? Who cares if you adjust his hight when there are pretty much 20 fucking different Links anyway?
Preach on brother.
>Male Samus can't be worse than other M samus so give it a try. Why not fem mario? You already pleayed as Peach and it was pretty much Identical. You just could float making her even better than mario in a number of levels.
Oh shit, nigga! What is you doing!?
>>342494994
I've already played her game. Doing some post-game item grinding is a fucking pain in the ass and I'm getting burnt out on it.
>>342506089
Not him but, answer me this: Link being male is important to the character because....
>>342499903
Reincarnations.
Using Dark Souls as an example, Manus broke apart when beaten and reincarnated into several girls.
Not saying they have to have a girl link, but consistency in the lore doesn't seem like it would be the reason to have Link stay a male.
I'd say the real reason Link stays a male is becauseLink is iconic
>>342504257
>It's totally not. He has been a boy but he has no male traits whatsoever.
Literally every single Link you've posted is male.
>>342506940
Because Link is male as defined by the lore and Nintendo themsleves
>then change the lore!
They're not going to. "They can!" is not an argument. Progressive fallacy is still a fallacy.
>>342506940
>Link being male is important to the character because....
Link is a mascot.
>>342507342
Link is male because women fucking suck and can't do anything good without being genetically engineered soldiers like Samus
>>342506940
Males prefer playing as males, they're also the majority of the consumer-base.
Girls don't care, and actually they might even prefer good-looking males as protagonists (see sports shounen).
Secondly because link is and as always been male.
Thirdly because the gender of mascots is an important aspect of them.
The sex (or any trait) of a fictional character are not set in stone and can be changed if necessary, but you need a really good reason to do so.
>>342506089
faggot how is his gender part of his character in any way? In what situation is there in OoT where you think "Oh this can only work because he's a guy". Answer: fucking none. Link displays ZERO manliness throughout any of his games because him being male isn't defining of him in any well. If you think Link you tend to think "green, Sword 'n board, hero, courage" and likely "songs with magical powers" that's what they hammer in every fucking game. Those are the ingredients you need to make a Link. They put them ON A FUCKING DOG ONCE. They can just as well put them on a girl and call it a fucking day. Hell. in OoT you could barely even tell that he's a boy until he turns older.
>>342507439
Yes, they are. But it's not their defining trait. And I posted them because that anon said "it wouldn't fit with the lore" when Zelda Lore is already a vastly convoluted mess that's all over the fucking place. I really don't get why ya'all niggas are fine with him being a deku-kid, a zora guitarist and a fucking dog but him being female is too much of a stretch.
>>342489238
>techraptor gave it a 6.5/10
>not on metacritic
this is why people should boycott to OpenCritic
http://opencritic.com/game/2399/tokyo-mirage-sessions-fe
>>342507439
>Because Link is male as defined by the lore and Nintendo themsleves
Understood. However, that fact does not answer the question. It only speaks to what Nintendo has decided, it does not speak on why that decision is important to the character. You know, things like behaviors, actions, thoughts, and feelings that the player identifies as being unique to Link.
>>342507487
Not a bad reason. However, As a mascot, Link has been portrayed very differently throughout his life. As the previous anon already laid out for us. Link has been so many things. And every time he changes, that no form takes on the role of mascot.
>>342507869
>But it's not their defining trait.
Yes it is.
>I really don't get why ya'all niggas are fine with him being a deku-kid, a zora guitarist and a fucking do
All of them are male.
>>342508135
>It only speaks to what Nintendo has decided,
That's all that matters.
There has yet to be a single reason given to why the decision NOT to make Link a woman is important.
>>342494751
>#FEcucks
http://www.metacritic.com/game/wii-u/tokyo-mirage-sessions-fe/critic-reviews
>2 pending reviews
honestly if one of these give it a 6/7, #FE's sure to be lowered to a mediocre 79
>>342507869
>deku kid, zora, wolf
Gameplay elements which are also presented as problems to solve at the start of the game.
Link's cunt would add nothing to that, I like link's cunt but let's be real here
>>342507869
> I really don't get why ya'all niggas are fine with him being a deku-kid, a zora guitarist and a fucking dog but him being female is too much of a stretch.
Because those aren't the default but transformation due to game mechanics.
People wouldn't really complain about femLink, if it were some kind of transformation needed to access a women-only area.
>>342508135
>muh fee fees
no they don't matter
fuck off sjw
>>342508135
Link has been portrayed as an adolecent boy and a teenage boy.
Every other Link form takes place as a transformation that is justified by the narrative of the game's they take place in. Anon is being disingenous by conflating transformations with his core identity. Link doesn't get reincarnated as Goron or a wolf and remain that way for the majority of the game.
>>342488110
Why?
The game isn't good. It's entry level weebshit that gives decent JRPGs a bad name.
>>342507812
>Males prefer playing as males, they're also the majority of the consumer-base.
That is valid on an industry level, if you were a jew pushing sheckles around, thinking about how to maximize profits. However, as a consumer, you shouldn't be concerned with a corporation's business. As you are not being paid by them. The quality of the product is your priority.
If Link had an option to choose between male and female, then it could serve the interests of those wanting a male Link, and those wanting a female Link. With the potential of pulling in more players, thanks to the option. It also gives the added value to fans who want to try a different sex just for the hell of it.
>Secondly because link is and as always been male.
If change should need a reason, then so does tradition. Merely stating something is traditional, does not justify it.
>Thirdly because the gender of mascots is an important aspect of them.
See >>342508135
>but you need a really good reason to do so.
You really don't. You only need a good reason to get other people on board with your idea. But as a creator, Nintendo can change anything on a whim. However, they have already implemented an in-world mechanic that could justify a female Link. So there you go.
>>342507487
Your mascot has been:
>a pixelated mess
>a sidescrolling pixelated mess
>a pink headed pixel-elf with some shade
>a super pixelated mess
>a kid (in 3 colour variants)
>a young man
>a tree-man
>a rock eating fatty
>a Guitar Playing Fish-man
>a cartoon kid
>a Goat Herder
>a dog
>a little guy with a god damn weird bird as his god damn hat
>driving around in a fucking train
>one of four clones of himself
>a season changing stick wielder
And fuck know what else I'm forgetting. Your "mascot" has been pretty much everything except female. The only thing that REALLY defines Link is that he shows courage in the face of danger. You don't need any more. Put green clothing on something, give it courage and a sword: BAM Instant Link recognition.
Out of all these links there are only a handful that are not super androgynous or so pixelated that you couldn't tell anyway. Being Male is absolutely not part of the "Link Mascot formula" because NONE of the mentioned links show any form of masculinity whatsoever. they don't do manly things they don't do particularly boyish things. They do Hero things and show courage. That's what makes a Link.
>>342488110
>82
>Back below SMTIV where it belongs
Good.
>>342508135
All the Links follow a pretty identical design.
The only one that really stands out as drastically different is Wind Waker Link but that seems to be a lot more because of the artstyle.
He doesn't change very drastically outside of that and polygon count/artstyle seems to be the thing.
Mario has also changed appearance over the years but you can still recognize it's Mario at any point.
Same for Link, even if you include Wind Waker style.
>>342509278
>Your mascot has been:
ain't mine bud
ask Nintendo or Aonuma.
>>342509278
>Being Male is absolutely not part of the "Link Mascot formula" because NONE of the mentioned links show any form of masculinity whatsoever.
Except for the fact that they're all male.
>That's what makes a Link.
Also being male.
>>342509631
>Also being *a fuckboy
fixed
>Fails at being a good Persona game
>Fails at being a good SMT game
>Doesn't even try to pass as a FE game
>Tries to be all of them
>Only appeal is the idol shit for people into that, and they alienated those people with censorship
Reviews don't matter if you have eyes in your head.
>>342508749
I'm not saying it would add anything. I'm not even saying it would be better. I'm just saying it wouldn't even be that much of a stretch for the series at this point and to be honest I don't see anything bad about it.
>>342508819
They're not default but you spend large parts of the game as them. Specially in Twilight Princess you spend a large fucking portion of that game as a dog. Yeah technically it's temporary, but when you're playing as it for so long you might as well straight up say that you're playing as the dog, for about half the game.
>mfw link will never be a girl
>>342509826
You have to be a guy to be a fuckboy.
>>342509826
Girls can't be fuckbois
>>342508441
Making Link a woman isn't important. However, sometimes things that aren't important can still be fun for the player.
>>342508949
>Link has been portrayed as an adolecent boy and a teenage boy.
And what does that entail, exactly? Does he exhibit any behaviors that couldn't be attributed to a girl? Or a tomboy?
>Anon is being disingenous by conflating transformations with his core identity. Link doesn't get reincarnated as Goron or a wolf and remain that way for the majority of the game.
Ok... I can see how growing up a Goron would change Link's character. Because the gorons have a certain disposition to them. They get excited and amped up, they're fiery, they're headstrong.
I can not see how growing up a girl would change Link's character though.
>>342491326
Hey retard learn how to read.
>>342489347
>>342496268
If they don't bring any more of them over, eventually we'll get a fan translation that will be far better than whatever they would have made anyways.
>>342509997
err
>>342509997
>>342510041
who do i shoot?
>>342492915
God Hand should get a lower score, game's literal shit.
>>342509857
>They're not default but you spend large parts of the game as them. Specially in Twilight Princess you spend a large fucking portion of that game as a dog.
But not the majority of the game. Link is not part wolf.
>Yeah technically it's temporary
You use the word technically as if it doesn't refute your entire argument.
>but when you're playing as it for so long you might as well straight up say that you're playing as the dog, for about half the game.
Except that's objectively false. You spend less than half the game as a wolf.
>>342510050
Making the game fun for the player is important though
How does link being girl make the game fun for the player?
>>342510182
>Shooting people for being right
lol
>>342509997
>>342510041
didn't say Link is a grill anyways
Aonuma said Link is always male but design to look a bit "gender-neutral" or some shit since OoT.
>>342510365
i can't?
>you'll never be a butthurt SJW posting in /v/
>>342488110
No
Godamn review scores are good for nothing but shitposting fodder
>>342509857
>I'm not saying it would add anything
Then there's no reason to change it
>but there's no reason not to change it I don't see anything bad about it!
not how it works.
>>342509092
>If Link had an option to choose between male and female, then it could serve the interests of those wanting a male Link, and those wanting a female Link. With the potential of pulling in more players, thanks to the option. It also gives the added value to fans who want to try a different sex just for the hell of it.
Game development isn't a just asking a computer to do things for you, and have it *puff* from nothingness.
Allowing customization on the scale of a different genre require some guy designing a new character, plenty of new models (including an alternate version for many wearable), a new voice actor (don't showcase your stupidity here), new animations and so on.
Visual customization is not necessarily a good thing, both from a simple financial PoV, but also a quality one, since it means a lot more work that could be used to refine what you already have.
>If change should need a reason, then so does tradition. Merely stating something is traditional, does not justify it.
If something works well, you DO need a reason to change it.
>Thirdly because the gender of mascots is an important aspect of them.
The default Link remain the same, one of the characteristics of that 'same' is being a male.
>>342509092
hey faggot, Link will NEVER EVER be female.
t.Aonuma, Shiggy, everyone that matters.
Triggered, yet?
>>342496962
Starfox
>>342510656
this
also them trying to feed off a drama pretending they've won or some shit.
no better than furries.
>>342509425
>All the Links follow a pretty identical design.
Brown to blonde hair, blue eyes, green tunic with long cap, boots. Everything a woman is capable of donning.
>He doesn't change very drastically outside of that and polygon count/artstyle seems to be the thing.
If he doesn't change that much, then why are people always complaining about his new appearance every game? They called OoT Link too pretty. WW Link was too childish. TP Link's was too young. SS Link's lips were too pronounced, and his bags too baggy. BotW Link is too feminine.
>Mario has also changed appearance over the years but you can still recognize it's Mario at any point.
Mario's changes followed a a smart linear progression that everyone could follow along with. Whereas link's design has always gone sideways, causing a division in tastes.
When they revealed BotW Link, everyone instantly recognized him as Link, despite not even having the hat and tunic. And half of the people watching thought he was a girl. So hypothetically, there was a period of time where people thought link might be a girl without his iconic tunic, and he was still recognized.
>>342509631
Yes they're male but being male is not what defines them. It's their abilities. It's what they do that defines them.
>Zora-link
Swimming and water fighting and guitar playing.
>Goron-Link
Being fat and rolling over shit
>Deku-Link
Having Nuts in his mouth and flying with flowers that you pull out of your Butt
>Normal-Link
Fightan monsters and defeating evil and being a hero and shit.
That's what defines all these. That's what makes them. At no point does the game really makes it stick that these links are manly figures doing manly stuff. Them being male is by all accounts a side-characteristic. It's something that's "also true" not something that defines them.
>>342510226
>But not the majority of the game. Link is not part wolf.
No but effectively you spend about half that game (or close to that) as the dog-link. So much so that you could say you play as two characters: Normal link and Wolf Link and you have to (or a forced to) switch according to situations. It is not his "default" position but at the end of the day you spend a lot of time in that game playing as a dog.
>second point
English is not my native language. So that might happen a bit. You don't play him all the time but you play him so much that you can't say "Oh that's barely part of the game"
>You spend less than half the game as a wolf.
How much would you say then? A Third? Because there are quite a lot of forced wolf sections. It's not like after you get turned into a boy again you never use it again. Each new area has forced wolf sections and throughout the game you're also forced into it quite often.
>>342510913
>Spirit of the Wild
these retards don't know shit about the games they purport to play.
>>342510812
DELET THIS
>>342509092
If Link had an option to choose between male and female, then it could serve the interests of those wanting a male Link, and those wanting a female Link. With the potential of pulling in more players, thanks to the option. It also gives the added value to fans who want to try a different sex just for the hell of it.
If Link had an option to choose between being white or black, then it could serve the interests of those wanting a white Link, and those wanting a black Link. With the potential of pulling in more players, thanks to the option. It also gives the added value to fans who want to try a different race just for the hell of it.
If Link had an option to choose between straight and gay, then it could serve the interests of those wanting a straight Link, and those wanting a gay Link. With the potential of pulling in more players, thanks to the option. It also gives the added value to fans who want to try a different orientation just for the hell of it.
If Link had an option to choose between abled and disabled, then it could serve the interests of those wanting a able-bodied Link, and those wanting a crippled Link. With the potential of pulling in more players, thanks to the option. It also gives the added value to fans who want to try being a cripple just for the hell of it.
And so on and so forth. This is exactly what Harada-san was talking about
>“Also when you think about the current game situation and the climate in different countries where you have to have characters from every different race or nationality, someone else would say ‘mine is not included,’ which is the climate we currently see with games. Since there are people who can’t set aside the game and the actual problems in society, I don’t want open that can of worms" - Harada, the game director
>>342511184
wait, which Harada is this...we talking about Katsuhiro Harada, the guy who did Tekken and Soul Calibur? fuck him for abandoning SC5.
>>342510351
Fun is a personal feeling. Who can really say where it comes from? All we know, is that if people want certain stimuli, and you feed it to them, then they consider it fun.
Who is to say Link being male is more fun than being female? Who is to say waking Link up after 100 years in stasis is fun? Who is to say watching Link shiver in the cold is fun?
I mean, sure, you can try and explain the properties of these things. But how to you attach the properties to "fun"?
>>342510690
>Then there's no reason to change it
I'm not saying change it. I'm perfectly happy with male link. I'm saying their reasons not do it are bullshit and they could easily pull it off.
Who gives a fuck if he's a guy or a girl? Being a guy has never been a big plot point in any of the zelda games so much as "being the chosen one" or "being the hero"
Nobody is forcing anybody to do a fem link. Just don't give me that bullshit excuse of "Oh it couldn't work with a girl, we wouldn't know how to make such a game" Because that's just dishonest. CLEARLY it could work.
>>342510927
>Everything a woman is capable of donning.
Except for being a male.
>If he doesn't change that much, then why are people always complaining about his new appearance every game?
Because there will always be a group of people that isn't happy with how things look. Just like now, there are still people who want Link to be a girl and will never be happy outside of that.
For Wind Waker a huge amount of the backlash was that people were expecting something like that Zelda teaser with an adult Link and Ganon fighting it out to show off the power of the gamecube, then getting cartoon cat boy.
> So hypothetically, there was a period of time where people thought link might be a girl without his iconic tunic, and he was still recognized.
There was people who saw Linkle before knowing anything about her and they didn't assume it was Link. They were assuming there was a game where Link could be a girl instead.
>>342511443
but we're not saying Link male is more fun than Linkle or le ms male
we're saying that Link is male and will NEVER EVER be female
>>342511452
>I'm saying their reasons not do it are bullshit
The reasons to do it are more bullshit. The reasons not to are valid.
>>342511184
I mean, I feel like a fem link game could easily be one of the more successful ones just for the novelty of it. I can't prove it in any way so I might be totally wrong, But I'm willing to bet that the Idea of a fem link would draw in WAY more curios people then it would drive away people who think they link can only be male.
>>342511443
Except you were the one to bring fun up as a justification for making Link female.
>>342488110
>Game gets falls to SJW pressure
>Surprised he SJW controlled video game "journalism" gives it a high score.
>>342511452
it would never work, women aren't heroes.
they're heroines. dumbass can't read lmfao
>b-but implementing a girl Zelda would be so easy!
Okay faggot, please refit all the meshes, UV map all the meshes, rig the meshes, and apply textures to all the meshes to the new body model, which you also have to UV map and apply a texture to. Now go hire a voice actress to do all her grunts and yells.
>>342511802
>a fem link game could easily be one of the more successful ones just for the novelty of it
Novelty? This is one of the worst reasons to make link female.
A black link or gay link or cripple link would be just as if not even more novel. It's beyond stupid.
>>342511080
>No but effectively you spend about half that game (or close to that) as the dog-link. So much so that you could say you play as two characters
No.
Link is the same character in human form and in wolf form. It's a transformation, not a different character with a different identity entirely.
>You don't play him all the time but you play him so much that you can't say "Oh that's barely part of the game"
Good thing I never said that. Stop twisting words.
>>342499578
>they have a point there
no they don't
he was born male, they want him to transform into a female
>Inb4 it's not the same person
erin meem
>>342511802
Novelty has not been working for Nintendo outside of the Wii.
>>342512003
>hiring a voice actor
why not just reuse the male voice actor's soundclips? less work.
>>342510801
Link is already a size and shape that would make reusing most animations a simple task. They could model the girl form to fit his size. The amount of custom animation would be no more work than creating another monster type or another NPC. Same with the voice acting.
>Visual customization is not necessarily a good thing
It's not necessarily a bad thing either. The cost should matter to you, because you're a customer, you're not getting paid by Nintendo. But not only that, the cost wouldn't be significantly greater. Remember when Link had 3 alternate forms in Majora's Mask? Do you think it cost them a whole lot to implement the forms? Do you think it was an unreasonable work load for a game that got released after only a year of development?
>If something works well, you DO need a reason to change it.
If something works well, then you should be able to describe in what way it's working, and be able to compare that method to the potential for a greater method.
>The default Link remain the same
Factually incorrect. Go back and look at the promotional material. Link's characteristics have always changed.
>>342512331
Because girls don't sound like that.
>>342512460
bull fucking shit they do. i've heard it happen.
now if you said they don't sound like Ganondorf, I would be inclined to agree with you. remember they put estrogen int he water which women don't drink, westernized women are full of testosterone especially black women, they are all manly don't think it anything different.
>>342496268
Good, and they'll make better games on better platforms without having to censor shit to appeal to nintentoddlers and their soccer moms.
>>342511721
What reasons to do it? Nobody gave reasons to do it. Just saying it could easily be done.
>The reasons not to are valid.
they are so fucking not. Have you even heard nintendos reason? Quote: ""decided that if we're going to have a female protagonist it's simpler to have Princess Zelda as the main character. (...) "If we have princess Zelda as the main character who fights, then what is Link going to do? Taking into account that, and also the idea of the balance of the Triforce, we thought it best to come back to this [original] makeup."
How is that in any world a valid reason to not play as a girl? That's the biggest heap of bullshit I've heard. "Oh we've made about 20 different fantasy worlds over the years with hundreds of fucking creatures and people and towns with different histories and lore behind them but we couldn't possibly figure out a way to have a female protagonist" That's pure fucking bullshit and you know it. Hell. Give it 5 minutes and I bet you could come up with a couple of scenarios for a fem link or a Zelda hero. And if we can do it, Nintendos team of writers sure as fuck can do it too.
If they just said: "we think male link will sell better" then I would agree with you that it is a valid reason. And it is likely the real reason. But this here? A valid reason not to do it? Nah. Fuck them, and fuck you for swallowing their bullshit and saying "thank you for the meal"
>>342512605
You think Japan would want a masculine sounding female lead? Fuck off.
>>342512702
but the game is not about fucking Zelda. It's about Link. and there is no female Link, retard. females can't be heroes, they are heroines, and there has NEVER EVER been a heroine of [anything, literally ever] in the Zeldaverse. never have been, never will be.
Are you triggered yet? FEMALE LINK NEVER EVERF!Mascot is non canon btw
>>342512003
Uuuuhm....
>>342512605
Considering Link is a pretty boy with a voice that matches, if Link were a girl they would obviously make her a pretty girl with a cute-sounding voice.
>>342512818
You think Japan wants a female Link? fuck off.
We're hypothetically talking about pandering to SJWs, not to what Glorious Nippon wants. This shit would never fucking fly in Japan, reminder that console Zelda only sells in Japan to NEETs and fujoshis, not SJWs of which they don't even exist in the Land of the Rising Motherfucking Sun.
>>342512702
>What reasons to do it? Nobody gave reasons to do it.
Several posts have. Try reading the thread.
>Just saying it could easily be done.
Not an argument.
>>The reasons not to are valid.
>they are so fucking not
They are completely. Link is a male character, Nintendo doesn't want to make link female, and there is really no reason to. Those are more valid than anything you have to say on the subject.
>"Oh we've made about 20 different fantasy worlds over the years with hundreds of fucking creatures and people and towns with different histories and lore behind them but we couldn't possibly figure out a way to have a female protagonist"
That's not the argument. Nintendo has already made games with female protagonists (See: Metroid). We're talking about making Link female.
>>342496268
This is the Fire Emblem / SMT game that no one ever wanted, so yes, that would be the message I personally would like to send rather than it sell incredibly well so they decide to make another.
I'll pirate it anyway just because the gameplay looks fun but I wouldn't spend money on this game.
this thread took an interesting turn
>>342489439
Don't worry, if you don't find any physical copies you could always get itdigitally
>>342511184
Harada was talking about those who shame, pressure, and criticize others for not being diverse enough. I'm making a creative argument, not a moral one.
Creatively speaking, if Aonuma so chose, he could make Link a girl, as the option does not conflict with his character.
Zelda actually got turned into a brown girl, and that didn't destroy her character.
Link being gay or straight never mattered before, and never matters now, because his sexuality is not important to his character.
Link needs to be able bodied, in order to go on the adventure. You've gone full slippery slope fallacy with that one.
>>342489574
So I get it that you've never bought Ocarina of Time or any of the Ace Attorney games?
>>342495635
>star fox zero
>worth of a 72
Have you seen the game? A 40 would still be outrageously high.
>>342512958
What point are you trying to make with this image? She has an entirely different model, animations, and voice.
>>342513168
ZELDA never got turned into a brown girl, faggot, that's TETRA. You confirmed for never fucking playing the games. RETARD.
>>342513279
>Not owning the original gold cartridge for OoT
Get a load of this fucking pleb and his censored version
>>342512702
>But this here? A valid reason not to do it? Nah. Fuck them, and fuck you for swallowing their bullshit and saying "thank you for the meal"
The fact that you're arguing so vehemintly against keeping Link male undermines any claim you make about being fine with Link as a guy.
>>342513075
Nigga can you read? I'm not giving arguments to make a female link. I'm not saying they SHOULD make a female link. I'm saying they CAN make a female link if they wanted to but they don't want to and that's fine.
I'm saying however that they are not ADMITTING to not wanting to do it and instead give the absolutely bullshit reason I quoted in the post you replied to.
>>342511571
>Except for being a male.
When has being male mattered? Again, BotW Link is so androgynous, people thought he was a girl to begin with. And in fact, I'm pretty certain Aonuma mentioned that being an intentional design choice.
>Because there will always be a group of people that isn't happy with how things look.
True, but practically speaking, you never hear as much fervor over Mario's appearance. Because Mario's appearance follows a logical linear progression. Whereas Link's appearance was more varied, thus causing greater divisiveness.
>There was people who saw Linkle before knowing anything about her and they didn't assume it was Link. They were assuming there was a game where Link could be a girl instead.
...what's the difference?
>>342513168
>Harada was talking about those who shame, pressure, and criticize others for not being diverse enough
So exactly what's happening here then >>342512580
There is literally nothing creative about making Link a female instead of male.
>Zelda actually got turned into a brown girl, and that didn't destroy her character.
She had tanned skin for fucks sake, they didn't change her entire race.
>Link being gay or straight never mattered before
Neither did link being a boy or girl.
>because his sexuality is not important to his character.
This is the exact same reason given to changing his gender, since being male is not important to Link's character apparently.
>Link needs to be able bodied, in order to go on the adventure.
Says who? They could easily thro him into an ancient mecha or give him a Deku wheelchair, and it would be just as much if not even more of a novelty and "creative" as making him a girl.
I don't think you understand what a slippery slope fallacy is. Or what a fallacy is to begin with. Because your entire argument is a progressive fallacy. You literally tried to argue that making link female would increase interest in the games due to the novelty.
>>342513537
>Nigga can you read? I'm not giving arguments to make a female link.
Yeah you're just arguing against keeping link male and saying " Nobody gave reasons to do it." in a thread full of posts trying to give reasons to do it.
You're being disengenous and nobody is falling for it. All of the reasons you've given are absolute bullshit compared to the reasons not to which are again perfectly valid.
>>342513472
>your reading comprehension
I'm not arguing for or against male link. I'm arguing for artistic integrity and not bullshiting customers with lines like "If we have princess Zelda as the main character who fights, then what is Link going to do?" Implying that a big reason not to do it is because a huge fucking team of writers wouldn't be able to figure out what to do with link if you play as Zelda is just plain insulting.
I literally don't care about link being male or female. couldn't give a fuck. I like male link. always have. The whole argument here is that their excuses are absolutely laughable and they should be called out on them.
If they want to just make male links because that's how they want it that's 100% fine by me.
Saying "oh we can't make you play as a female beause we don't know how to make a game like that" is bs and you know it.
>>342511836
Right. People will have fun. But I can't tell you why playing as a girl is fun for people, because the feeling is subjective to them. I could give you my reason... I like cute girls, I like tomboys, and I like cute tomboys. So merely witnessing a girl on screen is fun for me.
I'll apologize when they apologize for the censorship
>>342512003
That's everything you would have to do to create a new enemy type or a new NPC.
>>342514150
>I'm arguing for artistic integrity
You're arguing against it by dismisisng the reasons given by the artists as bullshit.
And yes you are absolutely arguing against male link. Fuck off with your hurr reading comprehension excuses.
>>342492269
Sonygger are just assblasted that #FE get a good score, then they can't just say "blunder of the century", then it's paid reviews. Also, if a Sony exclusive get good review, it's just GOTY, and also a fact. In another words, console warrior babbies bullshits.
>>342513659
>...what's the difference?
How people perceive the character and how it is received.
See >>342512580 for how Linkle ended up being received when it turned out she wasn't Link
Linkle was not really liked very much even when there was the possibility of her being Link on their minds.
They wanted the one on the left to be a girl, not the one on the right being Link.
>>342514295
Except the NPCs don't wear a fuckton of different clothing options and accessories.
>>342514162
Then don't bring up fun as a justification to change links gender. Because right now your argument basically amounts to they should change link to a girl to pander to you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTl8gDQiKiE
>80
>80
>80
>80
>>342513659
>When has being male mattered?
When has being straight mattered?
When has being white mattered?
>I literally don't care about link being male or female. couldn't give a fuck.
That's why you've been arguing over it and posting paragraphs worth of posts in this thread for more than a half hour now.
>>342514552
>not posting the best version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IL-_OMmB9ik
>>342514096
I'm not arguing against link being male. I'm fine with link being male. I'm arguing against their arguments for not making him female which are trash. For all I care link can be male for all eternity. I'm just not buying that "Oh but him bing male is a trait of his" that some anons are peddling. Yes he always was male, BUT being male was never a big part of his characters. The most important part of link has ALWAYS be courage and a fem link could easily pull that off.
>>342514337
Please. read this: "decided that if we're going to have a female protagonist it's simpler to have Princess Zelda as the main character. (...) "If we have princess Zelda as the main character who fights, then what is Link going to do? Taking into account that, and also the idea of the balance of the Triforce, we thought it best to come back to this [original] makeup."
That's their original argument. Please explain to me how that's not a bullshit excuse? How is "if you play as zelda what's link gonna do" not a bullshit excuse? Can you come up with something link can do while you play as zelda? I'm sure you can. Because literally everyone can.
Like I said. I enjoy male link and I don't care either way if he's a girl, a boy, a man, a dog, a cartoon or maybe a different race (zelda lore race, fuck niggers). I'm just saying the reasons given by nintendo are CLEARLY bs.
Why the fuck do people want female Link so much anyway? It'd most likely just be for one game and nothing would change in the game. Besides now that Linkle is a character people would just say the game was starring her.
Wouldn't it be better to have a new IP with a new female lead instead? If the idea is more female protagonists/representation in vidyawhich I supportthen that would be a much better long term solution.
>>342514150
>If they want to just make male links because that's how they want it that's 100% fine by me.
You already know that's the reason though. And it was already explained why they said otherwise. So why are you still arguing?
>>342514552
This is silly but I'm a huge faggot for musicals so I kinda dig it.
>>342515032
Nintendo has bad PR and have been doing shit at it since Wii U started.
What else is new?
>>342515032
>I'm not arguing against link being male.
>their arguments for not making him female are trash
You're not convincing anybody.
>>342515102
Or about making aG O O Dnew Metroid game starring Samus?
>>342515032
They literally said they thought the [origina]l makeup of Male protagonist Link saving female princess was best. That is a fact.
How is this a bullshit excuse again? Why do they need an excuse to begin with, when the reasons to change link's gender have been nothing but bullshit?
>>342515421
They don't like Samus because reasons.
>>342515421
This. If you want a female protag so badly then stop trying to ride the coattails of a pre-existing IP like Zelda and either convince Nintendo to make a real Metroid game or a new IP staring a different female protag.
>>342514595
Meant for >>342514150 >>342515032
>>342513875
>So exactly what's happening here then
Does Anita talk for the entire Zelda fanbase? No. Does Anita talk for Aonuma and the Zelda team? No. Then why the fuck does what she say matter to the quality of the product?
>There is literally nothing creative about making Link a female instead of male.
You are literally creating a different experience for the player.
>She had tanned skin for fucks sake, they didn't change her entire race.
The fact that Tetra is perpetually in a tanned state, makes it so that she might as well be considered a different race.
>Neither did link being a boy or girl.
You're right. However, being a girl is potentially fun for many.
>This is the exact same reason given to changing his gender, since being male is not important to Link's character apparently.
...yes? I'm not sure what you mean, but Link being male isn't important to his character.
>Says who? They could easily thro him into an ancient mecha or give him a Deku wheelchair
Because the game is to offer the player adventures though play of an able bodied individual. You can't get that, if Link is disabled.
>I don't think you understand what a slippery slope fallacy is.
Looks like you don't.
>You literally tried to argue that making link female would increase interest in the games due to the novelty.
Potentially, yes, it might.
>>342515102
Actually now that I think about it a game starring Fem Link/Linkle would be cute as fuck so I'm on board for the idea
>>342515193
>>342515304
Because I don't enjoy eating dishonest publisher bullshit? If that really is what it is they should just say so. I'm not gonna sit here and eat it, because "that's how it's always been" Say the truth or fuck off.
>>342515603
That is literally not what they're saying. They're saying "we couldn't come up with a way to have a female character and make the triforce work so we defaulted back to our traditional makeup"
That is what they're saying. I also think that their original makeup is a good one. A very traditional tried and true hero-girl-villain setup as seen in stories since the beginning of time. It's a good setup. But to argue that they HAD to come back to that because the triforce wouldn't work when playing as Zelda... how is that not Bullshit? How?
>>342492269
>custom robo
>65
Review scores were a mistake
>>342516174
>Say the truth or fuck off.
The entire industry must bother you.It bothers me too
>>342515921
>The fact that Tetra is perpetually in a tanned state, makes it so that she might as well be considered a different race.
This is what deluded femlink shitters actually believe
>>342516392
Some more some less. But yeah. Shit like this Nintendo excuse or the "30 fps cinematic" lie piss me off. But there is good stuff happening from time to time. It's not all bad.
>>342514376
I'm just gonna be honest and tell you that you lost me with this Linkle angle. I have no idea what you're getting at. Some people didn't like Linkle, and this means what? I'm so lost.
>>342514595
>When has being straight mattered?
It hasn't mattered in the Zelda series. Link is so neutered, that it makes no difference what his preference is. You can imagine Link to be gay or straight without the game giving you a button to click.
>When has being white mattered?
It doesn't matter either. Not since TP, when the game introduced Hylians with non-white features.
Name one action or behavior that was the result of Link's whiteness?
>>342515921
>You are literally creating a different experience for the player.
No you aren't. It's a purely cosmetic difference, the game itself wouldn't be different at all.
>The fact that Tetra is perpetually in a tanned state, makes it so she might as well be considered a different race
Holy fuck, really? Does that mean all tan white people are actually a completely different race? You're a fucking retard.
I mean jesus christ she has fucking blue eyes and blonde hair like come on.
>>342492269
>Custom Robo: 65
I want to live in the world of Custom Robo, because it would mean by sheer mathematical probability all of the people I hate would be dead
>>342514402
Alright, so the new clothing options present a small amount of extra work. But realistically speaking, fitting a coat from a male body to a female body isn't a gigantic task.
>>342516174
>If that really is what it is they should just say so
You already know they're not going to, and it's completely reasonable why. Your argument just amounts to pettyness and claiming the reasons for not making female are somehow completely unrelated to wanting link to be female is pedantic.
>>342516928
>so the new clothing options present a small amount of extra work. But realistically speaking, fitting a coat from a male body to a female body isn't a gigantic task.
Have you created mesh clothing? Have you UM mapped? Have you textured? If not, then you don't shit about what you're talking about.
>>342488110
No amount of good reviews will help this game, it'll still get shit sales.
>>342517029
UV mapped*
>>342514468
Well, I am a part of the fanbase. I'm certain other people feel the same way I do. And I'm certain there are a lot of people who would have fun as a girl. Honestly, if you've never read any people expressing a desire to play as a female link, then you're likely not even a Zelda fan. And if you think about saying "only SJWs want a female Link", then you're probably underrage as well.
>>342504257
>Male Samus
I bet you would just love a female Master Chief, fucking kill yourself.
>>342517029
This is a stupid argument. The fact that they'd have to model new things to accommodate a female playable character option as well means jack shit, it is not a point against having a female link. That sort of work is nothing in the grand scheme of video game development, especially when they have entire teams dedicated to modeling.
Just for the record I'm not for or against having female Link, it's just that this argument against it is completely fucking absurd.
>>342516691
>Link is so neutered, that it makes no difference what his preference is.
So why shouldn't link be gay then?
>You can imagine Link to be gay or straight without the game giving you a button to click.
Despite his androgynous characteristcs, It's pretty clear that Link is straight as several Zelda games there are not-so subtle female love interests, most notably OoT
>It doesn't matter either. Not since TP, when the game introduced Hylians with non-white features.
>Name one action or behavior that was the result of Link's whiteness?
So you're arguing that Link should be black? Because the same reasoning why Link should be female apply here as well.
>>342489636
Dumbest guy ITT
>>342516941
>Oh it's ok that they lie to us. we know they lie to us so it's fine. Don't expect them to tell the truth, we know what they mean when they lie to us
You're in an abusive relationship nigga. Never in my life will I just swallow it when a publisher straight up lies to me.
But it's true. I don't care about link being female. Why would I? I'm a grown ass Man. I have played as Mario and as Samus, I have played as Link and as Lara, I'd play anything as long as the game is good or the story enjoyable. Hell, I've played as Link since I was a kid and I'd probably continue to play his games whatever they do with him. It's honestly just about their bullshit excuses. "We can't figure out what to do with link when you play Zelda" comon. Really?
>>342517414
Who's going to pay for the extra work just to please a vocal minority? It's a factual argument which you can't grasp the reality of.
>>342516405
There was literally a tan white woman president of a chapter of the NAACP. Rachel Dolezal. Look her up. She had everyone fooled.
>>342495851
except the controls were great if werent so fat you couldnt hold a controller and tilt it
People that enjoy idolshit should be sent to camps and gassed.
>>342517536
Yeah.
The icon of the last 30 years for the Zelda series is Link.
If you change the lead, what do you have the former lead do?
People who pretend its an easy question never had to actually care about any kind of brand and what you do with it
>>342490448
that is literally wrong
the review score worked by inputting individual scores for things like gameplay, graphics, ect. and there was an equation and at the end of it came out 8.8
they cant change it from there
good job being fucking retarded
>>342515921
>Does Anita talk for the entire Zelda fanbase? No. Does Anita talk for Aonuma and the Zelda team?
About as much as Ben Kuchera and anyone else who thinks Zelda should be female does. Which is what sparked this entire argument ITT to begin with.
>Then why the fuck does what she say matter to the quality of the product?
Same could be said about you.
>You are literally creating a different experience for the player.
How? You already determined that being male is completely meaningless to Link as a character. You can't have it both ways.
>The fact that Tetra is perpetually in a tanned state, makes it so that she might as well be considered a different race.
I'm not going to even address how retarded you sound right now.
>You're right. However, being a girl is potentially fun for many.
On what grounds? And how is it any more potentially fun than being black or gay or crippled?
>I'm not sure what you mean, but Link being male isn't important to his character.
Neither is his sexuality. Still not a valid reason to change either that or his gender.
>Because the game is to offer the player adventures though play of an able bodied individual.
No different than saying the game is to offer player adventures though play of a male individual. Seeing as that's what every single Zelda game comprises of.
>Looks like you don't.
NO U what a compelling argument. Thanks for confirming you literally don't know what a slippery slope fallacy is.
>Potentially, yes, it might.
Not only is this baseless supposition, but it's straight up progressive fallacy. Sake for the sake of change is not a valid arugment.
>>342517385
>Plot armor: The character
I never played much halo since they stopped bringing them out for PC. Did enjoy the multiplayer mods way back in the day though. If I remember correctly there even was a Ocarina of Time one where you could ride around Hyrule field.
But really, Male Samus can't possibly be worse than Other M samus. Fuck Other M.
>>342516785
>No you aren't. It's a purely cosmetic difference, the game itself wouldn't be different at all.
Cosmetics frame the experience. It's like if WW was remade in the style of TP's graphics. Would it be the same experience? Even though the game is to the core the same, the framing has changed, and thus the experience has changed.
>Does that mean all tan white people are actually a completely different race?
In cartoon land? Yes. Tan skin makes you non-white, until proven otherwise.
>>342517414
>it is not a point against having a female link
How many points do we have for having a female link so far?
>>342518043
>Link being male doesn't matter
>Link being female changes the expereince meaningfully
>Tan skin makes you non-white, until proven otherwise.
>>342517943
Samus has always been female and will never be male. If you really want male Samus go play Fed Force where you get to play as a male Fed marine.
>>342517029
I hate to bring up Dark Souls in a Zelda thread. But Dark Souls doe have uniquely fitting pieces between male and female. And they still manage to make a game less than every 5 years.
>>342517536
>But it's true. I don't care about link being female. Why would I? I'm a grown ass Man
Who spends hours arguing over reasons why link shouldn't be female on a cantonese rice forum
dont understand how this game can get such good reviews with the sjw-biased game reviewer consortium
>>342488110
>Lack of Fire Emblem content
Wut? Lack of both fire emblem and SMT for sure. This game is 90% original.
Obviously doesn't make it good though.
>>342516691
All the people who were clamoring for a female Link got what they asked for but weren't happy with it because she was not a mainline Link. Then they tore it apart once she became Linkle.
They only want Link to be a girl to push an agenda, not for anything other than that.
If they have a female Link it will be met with this kind of scrutiny and hate and it will keep going and will become much louder as well.
They come up with bullshit excuses to not have a female Link because the truth will only make everyone more angry.
The backlash for Link being male again is a lot smaller than trying to make Link a girl.
>Link is male
>Only a small group of people on twitter and some forums complain
>Zelda fans keep lapping the games up
>Link is female
>Everyone suddenly will treat it like some big movement
>Everyone will look closely to make sure Link as a girl isn't making girls look bad
>Still has to show some feminine side
>Any signs of weakness will make Nintendo get a huge movement against them from all media
Why even fucking bother
>>342516174
>>342517536
>how is that not Bullshit? How?
You have yet to explain how it is.
>>342517460
>So why shouldn't link be gay then?
I'm not arguing that he shouldn't. I'm arguing that you don't need a button in game to press that makes him gay, because that button wouldn't do anything. His sexuality lives all in your head.
>It's pretty clear that Link is straight as several Zelda games there are not-so subtle female love interests, most notably OoT
The girls in OoT show interest in Link. Link never shows interest in them.
>So you're arguing that Link should be black?
>should
>should
>should
No, no, no. try to keep up. No one is saying a character should be this or that. The point is that beyond creator dictation, there is no reason to restrict his race or gender.
>>342517870
>what do you have the former lead do?
Literally anything Zelda did before?
>Be an underground resistance fighter Shiek style
>be captured
>Be locked in some kind of magical eternal battle with Ganondorf, forcing Zelda to go on a quest to rescue him from it
>Be a very old Link who is now a mentor type character for a young Zelda adventurer
>be a long forgotten hero whose artifacts have been scattered all over the world and Zelda has to gather them
>Have his soul be in the master sword that talks to Zelda Navi style
>Have him be Zeldas dog.
>Start the game out as link, have him be wounded at the start and plot twist play as Zelda all day
>have him be the bad guy that ganon corrupted and zelda has to go and undo it
>have him be a fucking boat.
>Make him the King of Hyrule
I'm sure that out of all the writers who work for Nintendo there are one or two who can come up with decent Ideas on what to do with link should you happen to play as Zelda. Are you really telling me that you're actually believing that shit?
>>342518613
Isn't the reason that Link is a boy because Hylia keeps reincarnating him as one because that's what she thinks her hero should be?
>>342517207
>Well, I am a part of the fanbase.
And? Since when do you talk for the entire Zelda fanbase? Does you talk for Aonuma and the Zelda team?
>I'm certain other people feel the same way I do.
And I'm certain there are plenty of other people who don't feel the same way you do. So your point is moot.
>And I'm certain there are a lot of people who would have fun as a girl.
Then go play a game where you play as a girl. There's no reason to change Link into a girl just because you demand it.
>Honestly, if you've never read any people expressing a desire to play as a female link, then you're likely not even a Zelda fan.
Ah, the ol' "if you disagree with me you're not a *true* fan" tactic. Classic.
>And if you think about saying "only SJWs want a female Link", then you're probably underrage as well.
You're right. It's just a massive fucking coincidence that the most vocal proponents of femlink are also SJW and using SJW reasoning to justify it and then getting mad when it's not exactly what they wanted >>342518613
Accusing others of being underage while giving the most childish reasoning to change the gender of a mascot character to suit your personal tastes over everyone elses.
>>342517556
But the problem isn't that they'd have to do extra work to please a vocal minority, the thing is Nintendo just would never care about the vocal minority in the first place. Having to model extra stuff is completely irrelevant. If they wanted female Link, they'd be fine modelling all the necessary things for her. It wouldn't influence the decision at all.
>>342518757
>No, no, no. try to keep up. No one is saying a character should be this or that.
Just saying that a character shouldn't be gay or female is entirely bullshit. Totally different and not a pedantic argument at all.
>The point is that beyond creator dictation, there is no reason to restrict his race or gender.
There is no reason needed beyond creator dictation.
>>342519490
Ding ding ding! They're the vocal minority! They don't make a huge impact the sales of the game, therefore there's no need to cater to them!
>>342518685
Do I really?
>Big team of writers
>some of the most creative games of our team
>can't come up with what link would do if you play zelda
>also can't come up with how the triforce would work if you're female (?????)
>not bullshit
Please. It is Bullshit because you and me both can think of ways to deal with this in a couple of minutes and we're not even writers. (unless you are)
And the last argument that the triforce wouldn't work isn't even a fucking argument. How would the triforce not work? The triforce works by 3 people having it. Slap it on 3 people BAM triforce. I don't see at all how the triforce wouldn't work with fem link. or zelda mc. or even triple female fiasco with fem link fem zelda and fem ganondorf (with thick thick thighs) I mean fuck, in OoT the triforce originated from 3 godesses. 3 Females who created basically the whole planet and all life on it. If a female god created the triforce of courage, I don't see why a female couldn't wear it.
And like i said before. I don't even particularly want one. I don't care either way. I just think their explanations are BS.
>>342488110
>saying sorry for a game that suffered through Sharia law
>surprised casual sjw betacucks like it and would be supportive of the cultural appropriation
no YOU apologize for defending it OP!
>>342519654
It depends on what the catering consists of.
If it means say, not going out of your way to remove dialogue or change scenes, then you should cater to them.
If it means changing an entire central character's gender just to placate a vocal minority then no you shouldn't.
>>342519915
>I don't even particularly want one. I don't care either way.
You can keep saying this but it isn't convincing anyone. >>342518440
>>342519654
>>342519982
Honestly a huge problem the hardcore SJW people have in video games is not recognizing that Japan is completely different from us; they're a different country with a different set of values and a different way of thinking about things, especially women and sexualization and all that good stuff. Complaining when they don't adhere to feminist values and trying to make them change is never going to work because they just don't care.
They accept our feedback when it comes to game design stuff because that's pretty universal but when it comes to this shit they don't care at all. People just need to accept this already.
>>342517923
>Which is what sparked this entire argument ITT to begin with.
Nah, dude. People have been wanting a female link for a long time. Personalities like Anita have only co-opted Link as their example for their agenda.
>Same could be said about you.
I had a feeling you would say that. I of course don't speak for Aonuma, the Zelda team, or the fanbase. I do however, recognize the people within the fanbase who desire a female Link, and I use those people as examples.
>How? You already determined that being male is completely meaningless to Link as a character. You can't have it both ways.
See >>342518043
>I'm not going to even address how retarded you sound right now.
See >>342517558
>On what grounds?
That people enjoy playing as a girl. Which people just so happen to like doing.
>And how is it any more potentially fun than being black or gay or crippled?
I don't know if it's more or less fun. It's fun in it's own right though.
>Neither is his sexuality. Still not a valid reason to change either that or his gender.
Link's sexuality is invisible though. One's gender is physical.
>No different than saying the game is to offer player adventures though play of a male individual.
It's different in that a disabled person can't do everything an able bodied person does. However, you could allow a girl to be equally as capable as a boy.
>NO U
Compelling...
>Change for the sake of change is not a valid argument.
I'm not arguing change for the sake of change. I'm arguing for a game to be more fun, as games should aim to be. Every change you make in a creative field, is about potentiality.
>>342520109
Nigga why would I lie to you? If I really wanted a fem link I would just say "fuck i want a fem link" I'm ok with the Idea of a fem link but I don't care what they do either way as long as they're honest.
I have more than enough games where I can play as a girl. Even some I can fap too.
>>342489410
the difference between this and FE Fates is that FE had a preestablished fanbase. This game is still going to bomb because entry level anime fans hate weeby idolshit and the weebs hate the censorship and will pirate. No matter how many 9/10s this game gets it won't break numbers.
>in b4 HURR USING SALES AS A DETRIMENT OF QUALITY
It matters when the majority of fans from both crossover camps still don't care because this game appeals to none of them.
>>342510812
>review mattered on star fox, now it doesn't
ebin
>>342488110
If they just did not censor such unnecessary stuff. I would be interested in it.
Swimsuits are not profane.
>>342520486
you said it, it's unnecessary stuff so it doesn't matter that it got removed as it has no impact on the game at all
>>342518280
Link being male doesn't matter to the core of his character. However, I understand that a male figure is a cosmetic that people enjoy, that is why I proposed a gender option. So you can choose to play as the figure that best frames your experience.
Yes, without context, tan skin makes you non-white. Especially in cartoons, where features aren't accurate to reality. For example, a lot of black characters in anime, look just like the non-black characters, except their skin is darker. The style overrides the telling features of the person. So if they are introduced tan, are always tan, and never de-tan, then they might as well be another race.
>>342497193
Censor the nipples in that pic and it would be perfect
>>342520749
>Link being male doesn't matter to the core of his character.
FINALLY someone else who said it. Yes, all Links were male. but at the core was not his gender it was always his courage. What makes a good link is courage. Not dick.
>>342520713
Not necessary to censor was what I was trying to say.
>>342520227
>Nigga why would I lie to you? If I really wanted a fem link I would just say "fuck i want a fem link"
Because it's easier to dismiss the reasons with "I don't care" and "Nigga can you read" than actually address the fact that the "link should be female" camp has even less of a point than Nintendo and everyone else who thinks link should maintain his gender. Especially when spending so much time arguning and then triyng to pass it off as being upset you were lied to.
>>342520937
so the fact that link has ALWAYS been males isnt an issue? if gender truely isn't an issue then why are people suddenly demanding for link to be female? seems like you are bitching because Aounma refuses to pander to you.
>>342518613
>All the people who were clamoring for a female Link got what they asked for but weren't happy with it because she was not a mainline Link. Then they tore it apart once she became Linkle.
Take a step out of the SJW battle arena for a second, and just look at this issue from a creative perspective. If Link has the hero's spirit, and Link has these certain characteristics that define who he is, then the fact that Linkle isn't Link, is actually a reason to dislike her. Because who is she, if not the hero? Just some random girl in Link cosplay? That's not the same.
>>342495745
Adding onto this:
>announce game as an SMT/FE crossover
>shit out some idol persona bullshit instead
From the very beginning this project has been a clusterfuck
>>342499578
Link being female is actually consistent with a lot of the genderbending going on in moden Japanese culture and alot of the pretentious "girl power" aspect in Western culture. /v/ is being contradictory because they think SJWs are behind everything.
>>342521210
>just look at this issue from a creative perspective
There is no merit for changing Link's gender, race etc from a creative perspective. It's as simple as that.
>the fact that Linkle isn't Link, is actually a reason to dislike her. Because who is she, if not the hero? Just some random girl in Link cosplay? That's not the same.
You wanted femlink, you got a femlink.
The fact that people are disatisfied that femlink is not the mascot hero protagonist just proves that this was never about creativity and always a moral argument.
>>342519550
>Just saying that a character shouldn't be gay or female is entirely bullshit. Totally different and not a pedantic argument at all.
???
>There is no reason needed beyond creator dictation.
Fun?
>>342512250
He wasn't born at all since he doesn't exist.
He's not a person either. Persons are legally recognized human beings.
>>342521542
>/v/ is being contradictory
Oh the irony. The entire argument for Link being female is contrarian in nature.
TSUBASA IS CUTE! CUTE!
>>342519654
>Sales are the only reason to implement a feature into a game.
What?
>inb4 a paragraph spewing a middle schooler's understanding of industry and profit.
>>342520749
>>342520937
Link being a male is an important aspect of his aesthetics, just like Mario having a mustache.
Remove the mustache from Mario, or make Link a female and you're already blurring the image of the character.
It's not an hard concept to understand.
>>342521638
>???
Reading comprehension
>Fun?
We already went over this. You can't use "fun" as an argument when it's entirely subjective and your placing your version of "fun" (pandering to you by making link female) over everyone else who is fine with Male link
>>342521849
>let's shell out the extra money on our budget to please a few retards
Okay
>>342520749
A crapload of non-nigger characters in anime have brown skin.
Either watch more anime or don't talk about shit you don't know.
>>342521849
That's not what he actually said. nice strawman.
>>342520749
>>342520937
If Link being male doesn't matter to his character, then making link female does not meanignfully change the expereince. You can't have it both ways. They're two contradictory ideals.
>I understand that a male figure is a cosmetic that people enjoy, that is why I proposed a gender option. So you can choose to play as the figure that best frames your experience.
That's not the kind of game this is. Zelda is not a RPG. It's an action-adventure game where you play as a preset character as defined by the creators of the game. Not every game needs a character creator or customization to suit your prefences.
You might as well be arguing that we include a race option so you can "play as the figure that best frames your experience". even though that's never what Zelda was about.
>buying censored crap
>>342521185
>why are people suddenly demanding for link to be female?
People be bitchin' since always. I remember faint cries for fem link since OoT but back then it couldn't organize and be as loud as now. Also there is this special breed of retards who think that by inserting stuff like strong females or minorities into a story that normally doesn't have them is "equality" when in reality it is "pandering" R.R. Martin runs into that a bit. People have called him secretly racist because his stories feature a bunch of white people. Pure bullshit. I'm of the believe that you should be able to make up any story you like with as many or few minorities in it as you think fits for the world you create. I just don't like seeing nonsensical excuses like "the triforce can't work if we do it different" when really you mean "we think this sells better"
>>342520749
Zelda was never black or other race in any of the zelda games. You're delusional.
>>342521620
>There is no merit for changing Link's gender, race etc from a creative perspective. It's as simple as that.
Yes there is. If you are a game creator looking to make their game as fun as possible.
>You wanted femlink, you got a femlink.
But it's not Link. It's a blond girl wearing a green poncho.
>>342522474
Jesus Christ.
>>342521857
If his male form is his key Aesthetic, then why did they purposely make him ambiguous this game?
>>342495635
Yeah you dumb shit.
The embargo for Starfox ended weeks ago.
The embargo for #FE is still active.
>>342521857
Aesthetics? Latest link looks like a sissy faggot. What the fuck are you talking about.
Mario is a single character, Link is a group of characters that look alike. They could make a female Link that looks androgynous. But they shouldn't for reasons you're too stupid to come up with.
>>342522275
Zelda was arguably a RPG before and with BoTW it certainly is.
>>342520749
Link being male matters. It's more believable for a male to be courageous, powerful, have the willpower to fight and not be submissive.
>inb4 it's fiction, there is magic so who cares about believable!
In art, no matter what piece of fiction, human condition always remains (or tries to be) realistic.
>>342522474
>If you are a game creator looking to make their game as fun as possible.
By letting you play as a female or black link?
You are batshit fucking retarded
>But it's not Link. It's a blond girl wearing a green poncho.
It's Linkle, the female link. It satisifes the request for a female link. the only people left disiatisfied are those who wanted the Zelda mascot protagonist to be female for moral reasons.
>>342521742
No it isn't. You're confusing how it's argued to the argument itself.
>>342521210
I wasn't looking at it from just a SJW perspective when bringing up Linkle.
How they reacted is how just about anyone would react to a female Link if it doesn't line up with exactly what they wanted.
They also risk alienating many fans in general with how it would be handled.
Linkle wasn't liked before anything was known about her the second it became apparent that she wasn't replacing Link.
Note the word REPLACING here.
And Nintendo doesn't want to do it, so why even worry about it anymore?
>Make Link a girl
>Ms Male arguments come up if it's just Link but a girl
>Make Link a girl that's different from male Link in personality
>If it's anything less than perfect she gets shit on by everyone
If you all just want a genderswap then do some modelswapping on your own time.
>>342521953
>Reading comprehension
Yes. Help me understand.
>We already went over this. You can't use "fun" as an argument when it's entirely subjective and your placing your version of "fun"
That's ridiculous. Fun, as subjective as it may be, is the most important reason to do anything in a video game. Of course I can cite fun. Everyone else fine with male Link would still have the option to choose male Link. Adding a female option doesn't take away the male option.
>>342488110
the gameplay doesnt seem that bad but the setting fucking kills it for me, how can you come up with that by merging SMT anf FE?
>>342495150
>no subs for battle dialogue
Really?
>>342522797
>Zelda was arguably a RPG before and with BoTW it certainly is.
Wrong.
Zelda has never been an RPG. You do not roleplay as a character that you chose to best frame your experience. You play as a character defined by the creators themselves. Link is a pre-set character. This is not Mass Effect.
>>342522037
Yes, they have context that assist in your understanding that they are of the same race as the fair-skinned people in the show.
>>342522797
Thank god someone finally said it. It's because he's male that he's strong enough to do the shit that he does. You can try to hand wave it but he is quite literally (The Guy).
>>342521857
>Mario has to be a certain way.
Well, didn't stop them from taking an entirely different game (Doki Doki Panic), plopping mario sprites in it, and selling it as "Super Mario bros 2" so much for the integrity of their franchise. Also they removed the mustache from mario whenthey made him a baby
But also, Link has never been as consistent as mario. We had Link in a bunch of different ages, different styles and even different bodies and it all worked just fine because each of them had the core aspects of Link held intact.
And even after all that. They could avoid "blurring the image of the character" by just playing as Zelda. After all Zelda has already been established as a capable fighter and quite resourceful person.
>>342522678
>>342522797
Being a feminine (read young-looking and Japanese handsome) male is a key element of Link.
>>342522797
Rpg implies stats. Its the foundation of d&d
>>342522078
Fair enough. Let me rephrase it then.
>The need to cater to interests of a minority is determined by the impact they will have on sales.
Better? Still just as retarded.
>>342522275
I never said it would change the game in any truely meaninfully way other than maybe give the story a bit of a twist for once.
Nah I believe it would play out pretty much exactly the same. A bit of fresh coat of paint on this old formula at best. But I'm sure the game would be equally as good or as shit regardless of what gender you play.
>>342522943
>Yes. Help me understand.
I can't teach you to read. Sorry.
>That's ridiculous.
No, you're ridiculous.
Using "fun" as the reason why Link needs to be a girl or that there needs to be a gender option is the most ridiculous argument ever. There is no justification for the female option.
>Post Fire Emblem 13 Fire Emblem
Here's a good FE song for you, lads
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tGebjYkJDw
RIP Good series that is generic weebshit now.
>FE is so bad that everyone talks about Link tits instead
>>342523385
>I never said it would change the game in any truely meaninfully way
Don't backpeddal You argued that it would literally create a different experience for the player.
>Cosmetics frame the experience. It's like if WW was remade in the style of TP's graphics. Would it be the same experience? Even though the game is to the core the same, the framing has changed, and thus the experience has changed.
Either Link's gender matters or it doesn't. And if it doesn't then you can't claim it changes the experience.
>>342523120
Wrong.
You can usually tell if a character is a gaijin or not, by simply the way they look.
Nigger characters are especially easy to distinguish from tanned characters.
>>342522275
>If Link being male doesn't matter to his character, then making link female does not meanignfully change the expereince. You can't have it both ways. They're two contradictory ideals.
They don't contradict. You're only having trouble understanding. That there are ways to alter the experience the player has, without changing the core of the character. Because the experience the player has, is made of an amalgam of factors all playing out at once. The way the player's gender frames the experience is similar to the way a picture frame frames a painting. You can put the Mona Lisa in a new frame, and it will be a different experience for the viewer, even though the painting is exactly the same. However, in this instance, that "framing" goes a little deeper. Because we're talking about the appearance of the character. The thing you're looking at for the bulk of the game. Aesthetically, changing the gender actually changes the picture of the game, while simultaneously keeping the character intact.
I wouldn't be opposed to a race option.
>>342518043
WW with TP graphics would be cool as fuck. I'd replay that so fast.
>>342497505
>bruh
this can't be real
>>342523173
He wasn't really aesthetically androgeouns in OOT or in the first games artwork. Short and not bulky? Yes. But that's not equivalent to androgynous.
>>342523103
Zelda has manipulated stats (you can choose whether or not to take hearts). It has exploration like other RPGs. In the 3ds version of games, you have some diaolog option (inb4 they don't matter, FF has them as well).
Zelda was always a RPG, albeit on the lighter side. Denying that BoTW isn't a RPG is ridiculous. It has many roles and behavior character takes (cooking for example), stats in weapon, variety in those weapons, and all of the above that's already been mentioned.
There isn't much difference between Zelda and Skyrim at this pont.
>You play as a character defined by the creators themselves. Link is a pre-set character. This is not Mass Effect.
Other RPGs do this as well. Ever played Shin Megami Tensei games? Ever played FF? What about the Xeno games?
>inb4 SMT has multiple endings
It's more of a RPG then. Not all RPGs have that feature.
>Mass Effect
Why is it that everytime I speak to the deniers, you only know about Western games. The same goes for the typical Zelda fan.
>>342522412
No one is saying she was black. I'm saying that practically speaking, you could claim she was, and there would be zero difference, as the context of the game does not contradict the claim. *Hypothetically* Tetra was a black character.
>>342523289
Link has hearts that you can choose or not to take, which increase HP. Very basic stuff but it's there. And with all other elements, that makes Zelda a light RPG. The new Zelda has even more RPG elements.
>>342523725
That is retarded. There are no stats its not a rpg.
>>342524416
>HP (hearts) is not a stat
>bigger mana gauge not a stat
Dumbass.
>>342522797
>It's more believable for a male to be courageous, powerful, have the willpower to fight and not be submissive.
Impa, other Impa, Sheik, Nabooru and the entire Gerudo tribe, Aveil and her pirate crew, Tetra, All examples of courageous powerful figures with the willpower to fight and not be submissive.
>Link needs to be female!
Why?
>Because my feelings say so!
>>342524615
And that's bullshit. They shouldn't have a whole race of female warriors. Sure they can get away with a few strong female individuals (there are exceptions to the rule). But that's it.
Just because they fucked up doesn't mean they should do it again.
But then again, that female tribe is dominated by a single man, so it's not so bad.
>>342522926
>And Nintendo doesn't want to do it, so why even worry about it anymore?
Personally, I find it perplexing that people are against the hypothetical that Link could maybe possibly be a girl. That's the fight I'm fighting. If a person can't even imagine it happening hypothetically, then they're being unreasonable.
0-4: I buy a Wii U and this game and support the censorship
5-9: I never buy a Wii U or this game ever and go buy a new 144hz 1440p monitor instead
>>342524257
>No one is saying she was black
Yeah you were just saying she's non-white til proven otherwise.
>I'm saying that practically speaking, you could claim she was
And you would be objectively wrong, seeing as she's the same race as every other hyrulian.
>as the context of the game does not contradict the claim.
The context of the game does not substatiate it either.
>*Hypothetically* Tetra was a black character.
*Hypothetically* your mother chose not to abort you.
>>342524934
There's nothing wrong with not wanting Link to be female when the whole industry, heck the whole is full with the image of "strong women".
Also pragmatically with the type of people who demand for Link to be female, if they're given an inch, they'll take a mile.
>>342523443
>need
>need
>need
>>342524613
>Choosing whether to pick up hearts
>the same as customizing your character
Idiot
>>342525402
>not choosing to increase HP is not customization
Customization:
> to modify or build according to individual or personal specifications or preference:
You have a modicum of cognition.
>>342525352
That's the argument though. That Zelda needs a character creation option in order to make the game more fun, because "I find playing a girl fun, and am certain others do too"
>>342525523
Are beat em ups and character action games RPGs because you choose to pick up extra lives or get new skills?
>>342523805
Of course, when characters have features that appear racially distinct, then it helps draw the distinction. That falls under the umbrella of context. But then you have characters like pic related, who are stylized in such a way, that they could be colored white, and it would be the same.
>>342525523
>being this intenitonally obtuse
Choosing whether to pick up hearts is not RPG chraacter customization. People who intentionally disregard hearts do so for the challange or speedruns, not for roleplay purposes.
You have no cognative function. You're just straight up fucking braindead.
>>342525232
>seeing as she's the same race as every other hyrulian.
How are you able to make that distinction?
>The context of the game does not substatiate it either.
By making her brown gives credence to the claim.
>>342525724
Are those HP increases permanenet for a whole playthrough? Maybe. Another customization like Mana increase? Then that's more likely they are RPG.
And Zelda doesn't just have those things, as argued in another post. However, it is still considered a light RPG.
Dragon Ball Xenoverse could also be argued to be a RPG.
>>342525889
>it's not the same thing because I say so
A shitty argument. You cannot even explain why.
>People who intentionally disregard hearts do so for the challange or speedruns, not for roleplay purposes.
False. One can do so for roleplay purposes. Maybe not the majority, but that's beside the point anyway. The game should be judged for what it is, not for what people strictly do with it.
Come back when your few synapses are capable of connecting the dots.
>>342525282
Pragmatically, people can only take what they're given. The complainers have no real power, unless you kowtow. And it's not fair to deprive others of what they want, because some other people might complain.
I don't care if people don't want a female Link. But that's why I say make it an option. You don't want to play as a woman? Fine, don't choose to.
No one makes a huge fucking deal about a gender option in Dark Souls. You just choose what you like. Being against the option is just getting in the way of other people's fun.
>>342526352
>it's the same thing because I say so
A shitty argument. You cannot even explain why. Your logic is batshit fucking retarded.
>False. One can do so for roleplay purposes.
But they don't, because the amount of hearts you have has no meangful impact on the roleplaying. Becuase Zelda is not a roleplaying game, hearts do little else than affect the difficult of the game.
>The game should be judged for what it is
Which is not an RPG. Zelda is not a roleplaying game.
Come back when you're able to rub two braincells together instead of shitting all over the thread and exposing yourself as an ignorant fuckass.
>>342500545
I guess if anons really want to send a message to ninty they should just buy shitloads of SMT Apocolypse in the hopes that gets the idea across that they want a meaty SMT game that doesn't cut content.
But SMT doesn't really have fan service, so there isn't really anyway to indicate you want fan service except not to buy TMS and also to send Nintendo tweets, emails and whatever else that say "I'd have bought this game if you left my anime titties in".
>>342525663
>That's the argument though.
No it's not. you're arguing with me, here, now, and I'm not saying "need" or "should". And many other people aren't saying "need" or "should." If you want to have that argument, then go to Anita's twitter or some shit. But stop putting that on everyone else.
>>342488294
>buying reviews for a game that wont sell even 100k
Kek
>>342526339
>By making her brown gives credence to the claim.
Except it doesn't because she's only tan and skin color is not the determining factor for race.
Zelda is not a different race. Get over it.
>>342527038
I'm not putting anything on anyone. Thats literally what the fucking argument was, it's the argument I replied to and the same argument that hasn't changed since you butted into the conversation.
>There is no merit for changing Link's gender, race etc from a creative perspective. It's as simple as that.
>Yes there is. If you are a game creator looking to make their game as fun as possible.
>>342526802
No option. People need to accept playing male characters. Gaming companies shouldn't promote delusions.
>Being against the option is just getting in the way of other people's fun.
If a single option is enough to ruin their fun, then they weren't Zelda fans to begin with.
>>342526959
>A shitty argument. You cannot even explain why.
I did, you're just so dumb that the only thing you can do is repeat observations made about you like a child.
You have failed to explain how it isn't customization. So then you deflected and talked about speedrunners.
>But they don't,
They do, there are some who roleplay.
>because the amount of hearts you have has no meangful impact on the roleplaying.
Sure it has impact. Link is about the whole courage thing. It's very courageous to tackle the adventure with little hearts as possible. Heck, he could go midway and ignore some hearts instead of all.
>It's not a RPG
>Becuase Zelda is not a roleplaying game,
>Which is not an RPG. Zelda is not a roleplaying game.
You're quite the retard. That's circular reasoning there.
>Come back when you're able to rub two braincells together instead of shitting all over the thread and exposing yourself as an ignorant fuckass.
You're projecting your stupidity. "X is X because I say so" is the epitome of retardation. Even SJWs aren't as retarded as you.
>>342524216
>Zelda has manipulated stats (you can choose whether or not to take hearts).
Nigga, are you retarded? As in literally fucking retarded?
Zelda ist not and has never been an RPG. Yes, the game has RPG elements, but it's still an action-adventure game first and foremost. And no, being able to not pick up hearts does not make it an RPG anymore than having combat makes it a fighting game.
>In the 3ds version of games, you have some diaolog option
>inb4 they don't matter,
They don't. Zelda is not a role playing game.
>Denying that BoTW isn't a RPG is ridiculous
And using the ability to pickup hearts to label Zelda as an RPG and justify a gender option for character creation isn't?
Get
your
head
out
of
your
ass
>There isn't much difference between Zelda and Skyrim at this pont.
This is patently false and you clearly have never played any TES game let alone Skyrim if you think otherwise.
>Ever played Shin Megami Tensei games? Ever played FF? What about the Xeno games?
You are completely fucking retarded if you think Zelda is in the same genre as those games.
>Why is it that everytime I speak to the deniers, you only know about Western games.
You literally brought up Skyrim as a point of comparision you shithead
Why does it matter if the game is western or Japanese? It's still a valid example. Zelda is not an RPG where you customize your character and roleplay. It's an action adventure game with a predetermined character defined by the creators which you have little to no say in. Get a fucking grip.
>>342527350
go back to /pol/ nigga
>>342527115
How do you know it's only a tan? You ever see her tan. Other characters spend just as much time in the sun, and they aren't tan.
It's understood that she's Hylian, because of the ears. But being Hylian is considered a species. Within that species, there are various races and ethnic groups.
>>342499578
maybe, just maybe,Linkle and Prince Zeldar?
>>342488294
>all paid for by NoA as usual
stop being paranoid, this isn't sony we're talking about
>>342527405
>Nigga, are you retarded? As in literally fucking retarded?
You're conceding that Zelda games have manipulated stats.
>RPG elements
>it's still an action-adventure game
Not mutually exclusive.
>>342527405
>And no, being able to not pick up hearts does not make it an RPG anymore than having combat makes it a fighting game.
Sure that's customization of stats.
The only way you can argue against that is to try to argue they're not stat and there is no customization (which is false).
>They don't. Zelda is not a role playing game.
It's a role playing game.
>And using the ability to pickup hearts to label Zelda as an RPG and justify a gender option for character creation isn't?
Fuck off retard., Link should be male.
>This is patently false and you clearly have never played any TES game let alone Skyrim if you think otherwise.
There aren't much difference when it comes to the latest Zelda, BoTW.
>You are completely fucking retarded if you think Zelda is in the same genre as those games.
You're incapable of making a counter argument and so you resort to Ad Hominem. I'll take it that you're conceding.
>You literally brought up Skyrim as a point of comparision you shithead
You (or your boyfriend) mentioned Mass Effect first. Learn to read, retard.
>Why does it matter if the game is western or Japanese?
Irrelevant.
>Zelda is not an RPG where you customize your character and roleplay.
False.
>predetermined character
Like many RPGs.
You have no argument.
>>342488294
Nintendo wouldn't even foot the bill for this game to have English VA's, you seriously think they bothered paying reviewers off for this game?
>>342527276
I "butted in" Here. >>342507439
And it was in reply to a reply of a guy literally all cap screaming at people that there is no obligation or expectation to make Link female.
The argument you're having is completely concocted in your head.
>Yes there is. If you are a game creator looking to make their game as fun as possible.
In no way implies a need or an obligation. It implies that there is merit for the decision to be made. Not that they necessarily need to make that decision.
>>342497505
>What are the haps
>>342527350
>there are some who roleplay.
There is no roleplay though. You play as the same link that everyone else does in the game, except with less or more health/items/mana
>Sure it has impact. Link is about the whole courage thing. It's very courageous to tackle the adventure with little hearts as possible. Heck, he could go midway and ignore some hearts instead of all.
You're desperately grasping at straws to turn Zelda into a roleplaying game based on fucking heart pickups. Think about how retarded you're being.
>You're projecting your stupidity. "X is X because I say so" is the epitome of retardation
It's also your own argument.
>you're just so dumb that the only thing you can do is repeat observations made about you like a child.
>You have failed to explain how it isn't customization. So then you deflected and talked about speedrunners.
Your precious observations are based on retardations and the misintepretation on the meaning of character customization.
Your brain is literally broken. You don't know what the word deflection means and you're too stupid to comprehend why I brought up speedrunning.
>>342527405
>It's an action adventure game with a predetermined character defined by the creators which you have little to no say in.
So like FF characters. Like SMT main character in some entries.
>inb4 but those don't count since you can choose which stat gets what point
So there is customization. Hence, that's a key defining feature. Well, Zelda has those things as well. Manipulating HP and magic stat.
>inb4 it doesn't count
Deflecting because you're losing the argument. The best you can do is argue that Zelda is a light RPG. But to claim it isn't, just shows how emotional you are with no logic. You're probably a feminist.
>>342527350
>If a single option is enough to ruin their fun, then they weren't Zelda fans to begin with.
Who said anything about "ruin"? You read too far into what I said. The fact of the matter is: no matter how fun a game it, it could always stand to be more fun. And even though the vast majority of the fans are sane enough to have fun with a male player, that doesn't mean that having a female opinion wouldn't be enhancing to an already fun experience. Getting in the way of that, is getting in the way of fun.
>>342528215
>>342527276
Er... Imeant I butted in here >>342506940
Accidental linking.
Who needs a female Link when we already have Linkle?
The people who want female link so badly don't actually play video games or Zelda. That's an objective truth. Arguing against this just kind of means you're retarded.
Unless you want female link because you like cute girls. Than right on, you do you.
You gain practically nothing for pandering to SJWs because they don't play video games and aren't actually people.
>>342528375
>There is no roleplay though.
Well let's you, argue against that...
>You play as the same link that everyone else does in the game
>except with less or more health/items/mana
You're not even consistent with your own bullshit.
>>342528375
>You're desperately grasping at straws to turn Zelda into a roleplaying game based on fucking heart pickups. Think about how retarded you're being.
Grasping at straws is code for : "Those differences don't count because it proves me wrong!"
>It's also your own argument.
Go ahead and quote me verbatim where I said anything resemblem circular logic.
>Your precious observations are based on retardations and the misintepretation on the meaning of character customization.
There is no different meaning. The definition of customization is the same in the English language as the one used here. It means to modify to one's own preferences and will.
>You don't know what the word deflection means
Considering you keep deflecting, you're proving you don't know what it means.
>speedrunning
So min maxers in RPG who do it for speedrunning makes those games not RPG.
You're incredibly retarded. Every single argument you made dismisses most RPGs from the genre.
>>342528763
>Unless you want female link because you like cute girls
Soooo.... like 50% of all video game players ever.
>>342525865
>one on rights color looks fake along with the blond hair
Porlly gyaru or watever the fuck its called
>left looks like a southern AZN
Really not that hard
>>342497505
>>342506571
>>342524163
I am from Nintendo Localization USA and I can confirm that I have researched numerous black twitter posts and Vine compilations when rewriting the script.
Please look forward to my next project as "youth culture consultant" on Watch Dogs 2. It will have all the memes.
https://youtu.be/6Jy6QtWpHSc
>>342528379
There is no deflection. You lost the argument the moment you said there isn't much difference between Zelda and Skyrim.
Being able to not pick up hearts is not a defining feature of Zelda. There is a difference between optinal pickups and choosing how to customize your character for the purposes of roleplay in something like Skyrim.
If you think Zelda is in the same genre as Final fantasy and Shin Megami Tensei then you're too far gone to be reasoned with.
>to claim it isn't [an rpg], just shows how emotional you are with no logic.
Says the delusional idiot who thinks heart pickups makes zelda an rpg in an argument whether that justifies a character creation option for gender
Commit sudoku my man
>>342493962
this is fake as shit, even the arms are white? kek adobe fag detected
>>342529043
They're South American.
>>342528215
You're being pedantic for the sake of argument. You're saying there was no implication that the game needs to be as fun as possible but using fun as as merit for gender opitions in Zelda because muh fun is disingenous as fuck.
>>342529109
>There is no deflection.
>You lost the argument the moment you said there isn't much difference between Zelda and Skyrim.
First, not only do those two statements not follow, you're actually proving the fact that you are deflecting by that latter statement.
>Being able to not pick up hearts is not a defining feature of Zelda.
You're moving the goal post. Deflecting yet again. So now it's about defining feature? Again, that would make Zelda not a heavy RPG instead of not a RPG. It still has customization and thus it's a RPG, but on the lighter side.
>There is a difference between optinal pickups and choosing how to customize your
Those differences are negligeable. Picking up big hearts is literally a choice of customization. It doesn't have to be intentional, like how your childish mind plays RPGs when you randomly assign whatever stat.
>If you think Zelda is in the same genre as Final fantasy and Shin Megami Tensei then you're too far gone to be reasoned with.
Ad Hominem fallacy, you have no argument. You cannot repeat the arguments and dimiss them because you say so, escpecially not when you have no capability for reasoning.
>Says the delusional idiot who thinks heart pickups makes zelda an rpg in an argument whether that justifies a character creation option for gender
Like a retard, you're only repeating without being able to form a counter argument.
You're conceding even more. You're on your last leg.
>>342528852
Nigger you're being assinine as fuck. Chosing whether or not to pick up a heart or MP item does not change the character that you play as. How the fuck is that inconsistent? You're still fucking link, only stronger or weaker depending on how hard you want to challange yourself. That's not the same as roleplaying
>>342528763
>You gain practically nothing for pandering to SJWs because they don't play video games and aren't actually people.
Here's what fractures my ass about this, chicks and homos CLEARLY like the new Link. These are people that SJWs rush to "protect" at every opportunity. If even they don't want a female Link, then who the fuck does? Numales?
>>342529301
I really wasn't making that implication. I was making the case that in an entertainment medium, your goal as a creator is to make entertaining experiences, and try to do that to the best of your ability. So by that principle, the potentiality that a female option would increase the entertainment value of the product, inherently gives it merit. Whether or not the creator decides a female option works for the product, is up to him.
Saying there is no merit, seems rather limiting to the scope of what the character can and can't do.
>>342529650
>Chosing whether or not to pick up a heart or MP item does not change the character that you play as.
It certainly does. It makes the character more endurant in taking damage and more endurant in casting magic.
Do you even read what you're writing?
>You're still fucking link
And Cloud is still fucking Cloud in FFVII.
>That's not the same as roleplaying
It can be. People input their roleplay if they want. Anyway, it's not like RPGs are solely meant for that. Plenty of RPGs are played for solely min maxing.
>>342528917
Yeah, I fucking doubt the people with LGBT flag avatars are doing it because they want to stick the tip inside girl link and jerk off a bit.
You fucking tool.
You god damn buffoon
You fucking fool of a Took.
You think if Nintendo caved and made Link a girl and made her fine as fuck they would be able to sit well with that?
People that defend censorship in this site make me sick
>>342529968
A ton of men like playing as cute girls. And a tone of girls like playing as cute girls. How re you not aware of this?
>>342529846
Its perfectly fine to sexualize male characters.
Its only a problem if its a girl character. If there was a female link that could run around in a bra people would be up in arms.
>>342529990
This.
>LINK CAN'T BE A GIRL
>why?
>BECAUSE IT TRIGGERS ME. CENSOR IT AONUMA. CENSOR GIRL LINK.
>>342530070
Not enough to justify increasing the budget to develop a female Link. There's no demand outside a vocal minority.
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