are we replacing thermal paste?
>mfw i dropped 30C off load temps. from 95C to 61C thanks to the thermal Jew and a couple fans
>I did 1ghz overclock and temps are still 30C lower. holy Jesus on a stick
how often are you supposed to change the paste? I've had my PC for a year and a half.
>>342459021
Go back to console gaming please
>>342458821
Less important than your GPU.
A mid to high end i5 is still plenty sufficient for gaming, graphics will always be the bottleneck unless your processor is absolutely ancient. Just now are games actually starting to utilized 2-4 threads.
>>342459119
well the thermal Jew meme has some truth to it. at 95C Doom was stutterin a bit due to cpu heat
also 1ghz OC helps make things a bit smoother
>mfw FX-6300 running at 4.5ghz with a shitty cooler from CoolerMaster
>tfw still 2500k
>>342459216
CPU hardly matters worth shit in most games. GPU is really the main variable in terms of FPS in most games.
>>342459440
Yeah, welcome to 6 years ago. Don't help the Xbox players transition to PC just because their console is about to die. Fuck them for not changing sides sooner.
30c with different paste? It sounds like you applied it like shit when you first did it.
>>342459604
i got the gaming pc from a retard chav
I use a 580 card with a 4.4 ocd intel. I emulate more than I play current gen games. I might update my card to a 970 so I can play witcher 3 and doom. I heard the 480x is shit at dual weilding
>>342459725
dont be a silly nigga.
>>342459021
most people never change it at all
>>342459021
op here. change it when gaming temps start becoming stupid
Would an i7 be more future-proof than an i5 or would that be a waste?
My Core i5-2500K only ever utilizes one quarter or half of its power for any particular game since almost nothing ever makes use of more than one core. Unless some overwhelming breakthrough in processing technology takes place (and not just "make it smaller"), it'll probably be all you need for another decade.
I was having some trouble with my old heatsink collecting dust in hard to clean nooks and there was a very noticeable decrease in performance and stability when a CPU is at greater than 70° even to the point that the PC would force a shutdown to prevent permanent damage. So I upgraded to an enclosed liquid cooling system on my CPU and now it's impossible for it to go above 40° Celsius no matter the load I put it under. Everything runs smoothly.
I'm still using an HD7870 from 2012 and I'm still able to play everything at better than 60FPS (just have to turn a lot of graphics down in some games). I may finally upgrade that sometime this year just because a few of the most recent games are getting to the point where it can no longer maintain a solid frame rate.
>>342460371
It would be more future proof and perform better, but if you only have a 60Hz screen, go for a memelake i5 or a FX8350
>>342460371
i5 is enough for gaming, just don't try to do something cpu heavy on the side while a game is running
that said the i7 and i5 sandy bridges from when you were still in elementary school has stood the test of time
>i7 950 @35°C thanks to H70
>HD 6870
I guess I'll buy the RX 480.
>>342460465
>My Core i5-2500K only ever utilizes one quarter or half of its power for any particular game since almost nothing ever makes use of more than one core
Stop playing games from 2008. Nearly every new game is using up to 8 cores.
>>342460371
>>342460492
>future proof
Love this meme.
>>342460552
hello my fellow HD6000 brother
6970 here
>>342459021
There's no exact changing date. I had my PC about 6 years befire I changed it. Though the fans were dan liud over the last two years until I finally couldn't stand the nouse anymore.
My cpu was at like 95 degree celsius all the time.
>>342460569
>Nearly every new game is using up to 8 cores.
Name five examples. No, they cannot be unoptimized AAA garbage like Fallout 4.
>>342460569
This, do the smart thing and buy high-end AMD. They're better for Bitcoin mining too, so you could be making money while you game.
>>342460652
GTA V
Dying light
Dragons dogma
Ashes of the singularity
The Witcher 3
MGS V
>mfw Q6600
>>342460569
I must have gone through a wormhole and not noticed it because I'm pretty sure the new DOOM and Witcher 3 didn't come out that long ago.
>2008 was thirty years ago
Generally less important the GPU, but its the second most important thing. i7 is pointless and as long as you get an i5 at a decent speed you're fine. amd a shit for processors
>>342458821
>pentium G3450
>literal shit house CPU, barely playing games made past 2012
>still able to get about 120FPS in CSGO
>Upgrade to i7 4790K 4.0GHZ
>streaming like it aint no-thang while playing the latest games
its like being blind your whole life and suddenly being able to see in 20-20 vision
>>342460661
>CPU bitcoin mining
Not really a good idea. Everyone is using ASIC miners now.
>>342460552
>>342460615
>Plebs
5670
>>342460724
>Dragons dogma
what
>>342460790
Both make pretty good use of 8 cores.
Especially Witcher 3
>>342460924
Can you even run Overwatch with it ?
>>342461005
>Buying a Blizzard Product after WoD
They can't get me again m8
>>342460635
Look at this atrocious spelling and realize this is the average fag who changes his TP
>>342461116
It's a fun game anon.
>>342461228
>>342460954
Not him but what about it?
Weird question guys.
CPU and GPU idle temps are fine at ~28C and still low when in game.
My motherboard though idles at 50C but actually gets lower when I game.
Is 50 idle OK or should I figure out what's doing this and sort it?
>>342461572
are there actual performance gains from having dragon's dogma use 8 cores?
>>342461575
>My motherboard though idles at 50C but actually gets lower when I game.
What sorcery is this?
What cpu should I get if I have a r9 390? I doubt I'll ever overclock if that helps.
>>342461575
your airflow must be ass then. Find out what's wrong with it. Also post your speccy
>>342460980
>>342461871
intel, amd cpu + amd gpu is ass
>>342462785
Which intel? would an I5 be enough to get me 60fps?
>>342460924
>not the 5770
you made some bad life decisions
>>342458821
So I still have an i5-3570.
Will Cannonlake be worth it?
I hear Kaby Lake isn't too large of a leap.
>>342463036
Either one, which ever fits your budget more
>>342463036
that depends on the game, it always depends on the game, you could have the strongest build but a badly optimized triple A game will bring it down to its knees
an i5 skylake will do
I use my own cum as thermal paste. It works great but smells bad if I over clock.
>>342458821
Depends on what games you wanna play senpai
>>342461130
You mean the average fag who doesn't change TP?
what's a good goal for a "modest" OC on a i5-6600K? I read reviews where people where saying they took theirs up to like 4.4Ghz but I don't know if that takes autismo watercooling magic or what
>>342463440
he did change his thermal paste like a good little reddit meme victim
If you want to use more modern emulators cpu matters.
>>342463627
ever heard of the silicon lottery? if you got a bad one you won't even be able to hit 4.0 GHz
>>342463627
Well if it's a decent heatsink around that range would be fine, give or take a bit.
>tfw i5-2500k overclocks were hitting 4.5 OC on the stock cooler
>>342464108
now you have to delid if you want lower temps to go with that OC
Who gives a shit about CPU temp? As long as you don't go over 90 you should be good. There's no reason to be autistic about it.
>>342464086
well fuck
poorman here.
how much does a i5 6500 benefit from higher clocked RAM like 2800 mhz or 3200 compared to the 2166 clocked ram?
trying to choose my new motherboard being as barebone as possible since i dont need many features.
Got my 4770k @ 4.5ghz, i'm normally matching or beating review benchmarks of the 1080 by pro reviewers. Gonna delid it soon and push for 4.8ghz.
Only want to upgrade so I can move my kit into a Node 804.
>>342464284
>over 90
What kind of shit cpu cooler do you got? I never even go over 60's.
>>342459216
Why the fuck would anyone let their CPU temp to 95C? How fucking retarded are you?
Jesus, if my shit goes past 60-70 in the summer and 50 in the winter, I investigate immediately.
>>342464638
I OC to max my CPU can go on stock cooler. My i5 2500k has been running like that since release, and it hits 85-86 on max load. I don't give a shit, though. My old dual core has been running in the 80s since 2008 and is still perfectly fine.
>>342464895
That poor, excellent cpu.
You're torturing it.
>>342460878
Not quite the best analogy. Many former blind people have extreme difficulty, and revert back to old habits. Even to the point of keeping their eyes closed while climbing stairs or walking, because it disorients them.
A lot of them also have a hard time learning what texture or color means visually.
>>342464895
>stock cooler
literally why? Just drop 25 bucks on something better like a Coolermaster 212 Evo and your temps will drop like crazy.
>>342465041
It doesn't really make a difference. Room temperature stays the same no matter how hot your CPU gets. Water cooling and aftermarket heatsinks are the biggest waste of money imaginable... If heat was really an issue then Intel would ship their processors with a better heatsink.
are people itt actually replacing their paste?
what the fuck
>>342465319
But I could spend that $25 on something else for my computer that will actually do something useful.
>>342465529
welcome to /v/
>>342459021
When the temperatures start going too high.
Mine was going to 82C so I got a new CPU fan, case fan and thermal paste
>>342464446
Lookup DigitalFoundry on youtube, if you have a Skylake quadcore I don't think 2000mhz - 3000mhz makes a difference for you.
It can make a slightly significant difference if you have an i3-6100 though in games like Ryse and GTAV. But for the other 99.9% of games it will make absolutely no difference or a difference of 1-2fps.
>>342460465
Try the witcher 3 then come back. Or battlefield, arma3,
All those will use the cpu basically to the limit
>>342459119
that's unless you actually use the computer
>>342465894
that's not true. Witcher 3 barely uses the CPU at all.
This is my idle temperature in the middle of the night (albeit in a heatwave on the west coast)
Am I fucked? Trying to play a game likeOverwatchgenerally makes me cap out at 60
>>342466038
>not having your idle above 70's
you are a scrub.
>>342465574
that goes beyond the typical shitposting on /v/ tho
>>342465894
Enough of your shit. I played witcher 3 at 1280x720 with a nearly 10 year old phenom ii x4 965 and switched to a new i3-6100 and got maybe a +5fps difference at most.
Witcher 3 is very much GPU bound as long as you don't have a completely terrible CPU, even considering my phenom 965 was barely over the edge of being garbage.
Even the difference between an i3-6100 and a new i7 in Witcher 3 is like +5fps, and the i3-6100 is only a dual core with hyper threading.
>>342465337
>Water cooling and aftermarket heatsinks are the biggest waste of money imaginable
Are you genuinely retarded?
>>342466019
so why did it push my old i5-4460 to 100% usage.
Witcher3 is probably the best known came for being so cpu heavy you fucking cretin.
>>342466193
>I played witcher 3 at 1280x720
>1280x720
So this is how toasters get away with it.
>>342461005
I'd say he can, my 5850 gets 60-fps on high.
>>342460552
Nice I have a i7 950 and I had a 6870. To risk getting abused I upgraded to a fury x. Wish I 18 months for Vega.
The 6870 is coming out of retirement for my budget Marx build
>>342466038
70+ is yellow alert 80+ is red alert
learn this fucking cooler faggots
>>342466193
A better processor won't really increase your idle FPS in Witcher 3, it will just make it stutter less when running into populated areas. For example, on a 2500k TW3 stutters down to 57-59 FPS while running through cities.
This doesn't happen even with the current gen i3.
>>342466239
no
>>342465337
>aftermarket heatsinks are the biggest waste of money imaginable... If heat was really an issue then Intel would ship their processors with a better heatsink.
This. I bought a i7-6700k, and they didn't even ship it with a heatsink, so how how important can they be? Mine gets a little hot sometimes with my OC but if it breaks I'll just send it in under warranty.
>>342466289
Maybe your CPU temps were too high, bad thermal paste or improper seating of the heatsink or any number of things. An i5-4460 with a good GPU maxes Witcher 3.
>>342466404
>implying oc'ing didn't void your warranty
>>342466193
Dream on.
also 1280x720. Please come back when its 1920x1080.
ps I get 100 plus fps on ultra.
>>342465894
I have 110 hours in ARMA 3.
Only 40% to 50% no matter how many NPCs I spawn in Zeus.
>>342466404
Nice try, computers won't even boot without a CPU fan plugged in.
>>342466420
it doesnt, i tried it with my 1080gpu. This is why I know exactly what it can and cant do.
Also when you say maxed do you mean everything? because I did, Hair 8x etc and all post processing to max.
so, who of this CPUs is bottlenecking?
>>342466302
Life is hard with an HD 7850, games like Dark Souls III and Metro 2033 run fine on high/medium settings but Witcher 3 and a few other games will not go above 30-40fps at 1920x1080.
RX 480 will save me tho.
> currently using an i7-3770k
How soon will I have to change it? My motherboard is an LGA 1155 chipset, and I don't think they make CPU for it anymore.
>>342466706
>LGA 1155 chipse
Kill yourself.
>>342459021
every summer
>>342466403
So if you're not actually retarded, why would you make such a stupid statement like aftermarket cooling not being worth it?
>>342460878
OC that bitch
>>342460661
>do the smart thing and buy high-end AMD
>>342458821
They are important on a case to case.
If a game has shit load of physics, AI units or enemies then CPU will play a big role. Examples:
GTAV is CPU heavy because of pedestrains, physics and AI. City Skylines because of AI such as cars, pedestrians and public transport. Any RTS game too.
>>342466502
don't you ever install new drivers or OS updates?
>>342458821
If you have an i5-2XXX or i7-XXX, you dont need to change your CPU at all.
CPU is not that important for most games but is important for multitasking while gaming leading to a better overall experience.
If you are building a PC right now, prioritize the GPU then pick up CPU like a Pentium that you can upgrade to an i5 eventually when you have money.
>>342460552
ATI 5770 represent!
But I still play at 900p ;_;
>>342466289
Any game will display 100% CPU usage, just like any other process that works in real time, that doesn't mean it requires a lot of CPU power.
The Witcher 3 is actually widely known for depending very little on the CPU.
>>342467117
Why is it worth it?
>>342466038
Most CPUs can go up to 80
>>342467320
Drivers, yes, but I don't need to turn off the PC for WIn8.1 to properly use the new drivers. For example I tried the DOOM demo a couple days ago and the old drivers gave off that "cube seams" effect on all models and hellishly bad framerates. Updated the driver, started the game right away, cube graphics were gone and I was playing at 90FPS.
OS updates, nope. I upgraded from 7 to 8.1 exactly 475 days and nine hours ago and turned off all automatic updates. I've no intention of ever getting OS updates so I can avoid ever seeing any Win10 forced updates.
>>342467478
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/836158/the-witcher-3-is-high-cpu-usage-normal-with-this-game-/
Post 11 on there is pretty much what I was saying
>>342461575
Most parts are safe at 70C
>>342463220
Do you render Videos? If not then dont do it.
>>342465529
I replaced mine cuz I had a hard time cleaning my fan. It was a Deepcool fan that performed only slightly better than the AMD fan.
>>342467320
why would you install more microsoft shit on your PC? Stock windows is bad enough.
>>342467359
I5/I7 is a meaningless marketing name.
What matters is the micro-architecture.
>>342467512
Increased performance because of higher attainable clock speeds? Longer component life? Dickwaving in guts threads?
>>342466038
60°C is fine. Hell, the T-case is 73°C, so Intel says you're good
>summer has begun
>still running an fx 8150 on stock cooler
Kind of hoping it just dies so I have an excuse to finally stop using a shitty amd cpu
>>342467320
>OS updates
>trusting microsoft windows updates after the number of shit they pulled over the years
here's an example, look up KB 2823324
shit like that is why I have it turned off, if I have to get an update because a game requires it, I do it manually
Emulators take CPU. For example PSX2.
I noticed the new Doom depends a lot on memory.
>mfw i dont use thermal paste and my cpu never exceeds 40C under heavy load/gaming while the ambient temp is about 35
git gud guys.
>>342467359
Yep. 4 years and my 2500k is still going strong.
Only had to put a new GPU in recently. Kicking myself for not holding out for the 1070, but trying to play Fallout 4 on a AMD 6850 ain't fun.
>>342463807
I didn't change TP for 8 years and my gpu began to overheat and shut down mid games, after changing tp it works flawlessly
>>342458821
Get a i5 and you'll have enough CPU for years to come.
A 4 year old i5 2500k is still more than enough to play modern videogames, and it'll probably will until the next-gen, and only if consoles go back to being centered around the CPU, which I really doubt.
>>342462339
>8 core AMD CPU barely surpassing a i3
Jesus christ, I would tell AMD to pick up the pace, but who gives a fuck when $200 CPUs are still enough for everything.
>>342468850
AMD has really got to stick the landing with Zen or they're done for.
>>342459021
Never changed mine. Little pea size drop in the middle and that's it
I still have a Core2 Quad. If I got an i3 would the lower number of cores be noticeable or is the performance gap bigger than that?
>>342460738
I know that feel bro.
ok but how you guys apply your thermal toothpaste?
Pea in the middle? pea and spread? dots on corners? a square line?
I personally do a thin line down the middle which is roughly 1/2 length of the CPU
>>342470134
great big blob that's 1/4th the size of the CPU right in the middle, then let the weight of my heavy Noctua dh-15 spread it out
>>342470134
Apply thermal paste into japs eye. Masturbate over pedo jap porn and spurt onto cpu/gpu. Wedge shitty poorfag pc part back in.
That should work for the 99% of you peasants.
>>342470284
>not using a nep nep figurine to spread the paste
do you even nepgear
>>342470134
One big dot in the middle, four dots surrounding it. Surprise! It's Kirby!
>>342469920
Does the i3 have hyperthreading? Even if not, it would probably still be ahead thanks to the better architecture. A lot of games run great on the i3, especially if you pair it with fast memory and overclock a bit.
>>342470134
Pea.
>>342470134
They put this to the test on Linus tech tips a while ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2MEAnZ3swQ
TL;DR - Made no difference whatsoever.
>>342470472
>>342458821
Try tuning the voltage so that it runs even cooler.
>>342470510
i3 = 2 cores, HT
i5 = 4 cores, no HT
i7 = 4 cores, HT
>>342470570
I know, that's why I'm asking other peoples preference
>>342458821
still use an i7 2600k. Its great.
>>342469920
Just sit tight until AMD launches Zen. Any upgrade that would be worth your time will require a motherboard upgrade anyway and AMD's hardware will be priced better than Intel's and could at least force some price drops.
>>342470610
apply the paste in such a way that it doesn't drip over the edges of the cpu when screwing in the heatsink, that's all
>>342460738
Q8200 here
Are these temps okay? My PC has been randomly shutting down. I think the motherboard might be dying. Most sub ports dont work anymore, onboard audio is dead.
>>342471005
*usb, not sub. fuck.
>>342471005
mobo is dying
time to upgrade
Make sure you apply the paste with a good butterknife. Spread it about 1 inch thick for a nice depth
>tfw cpu sits @14C and never goes over 40C under strain
inb4 >AMD
>>342471327
you know it's inaccurate to begin with, speccy rarely if ever reports the right temps with AMD cpus
>>342471327
>AMD
>>342471327
>not negative celsius
>not putting your PC in a freezer
So when will the 2500k ever become outdated? When Intel releases cannonlake processors next year?
>>342471076
cool. Been wanting to get a smaller mobo and case anyway. Made the mistake of getting that fuck huge nzxt case.
>>342471654
honestly you could probably use the i5/i7's for the next decade before needing to upgrade.
>>342471654
When your motherboard dies and you cant replace it because they're rare as shit now goy.
>>342472176
Only board i can think of that's still being made was some micro-atx Gigabyte board. Thank god my Mobo didn't die and it was the GPU.
>>342458821
>How important is CPU in gay-man PC?
If you play Japanese eroge games, EXTREMELY important.
The problem is, if your CPU uses advanced single cores, with the hope of spreading tasks between multiple cores, at all times, you could end up burning the damn thing to death.
>>342471654
It already is.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-is-it-finally-time-to-upgrade-your-core-i5-2500k
>>342473790
>RAM making a difference
fucking kek.
Could have at least tried to make it look less fake
>>342474098
RAM makes no difference
/v/
Makes sense. Yeah most new games now dont reccommend a min of 8gb do they?
Remember back when it used to be 4gb
>>342460569
you'd better get that 12 core Intel cpu
>>342474315
RAM speed dumbass.
Higher clocked RAM also has higher latency, it's a tradeoff that ends up evening out and you'll rarely see any improvement if at all unless you're doing some highly synthetic task.
Daily reminder that an i7 for gaming is a meme
[spoilers]I only konw cause I fell for that meme[/spoiler]
>>342474481
Where did you say ram speed then?
All you said was "ram making a difference" and "kek"
Hurrrrr
>>342474683
In your link.
It the tables it's saying you'll get significant performance gains from going from 1600mhz to 2133mhz on ram.
>>342461769
>sorcery
I think his GPU and CPU cooling starts working harder and it adds a lot. Basically, what >>342462237 said.
>>342471654
The 2500k is beginning to get outdated, especially when dx12 becomes the standard.
However, an i5-i7 will be future proof for most of the next decade, if not all of it. The range is already very powerful and efficient, thanks to it's 14nm base. Cannonlake will be an improvement sure, but not hugely so.
CPU's have plateaued desu, especially consumer grade ones. Everything currently available already does everything you can do.
>>342475409
Figured I'd ask this here.
Are the non-founders aftermarket 1070s even out yet? Because all I'm seeing are founders for around $470(or mark ups).
>>342458821
>tfw still using an i5 2300
I've been playing newer games today without a problem. They're mostly GPU based. Overwatch, Rocket League, MGSV, Alien Isolation. I've had no issues with any of these games and I've played them to death.
That said, I would like to get a better CPU. I'm too lazy to switch out my motherboard, so I'm stuck using 1155 sockets. Looking into getting either an i7 3770K or i7 2700K.
Also, I'd like to get another GPU and just SLI the damn thing.
>>342474786
Digital Foundry have done numerous video benchmarks showing this to be the case
>>342475409
Old/slow CPUs benefit the most from DX12, ackshually
