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NX cartdriges confirmed
No other Wii U game mentions cartridge in the classification. The images come from the US trademark site.
Ok.
>>342457356
It also says memory cards
What.
>>342457356
anon where did you get this?
>>342457356
Makes sense.
DvD/Bluray is shit.
MicroSD/SSD is where it's at.
>>342457791
http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=4808:9x6301.3.3
So will the physical game copy cost $150+?
What does nintendo gain by begin so secretive
>>342457424
Interesting.
But it makes sense if the NX is still the handheld/console hybrid everyone is saying it is.
>>342457424
>>342457356
Let's say it's a 50GB cartridge. How expensive it will be to produce?
I see
Killing the NX before is out
Classic Nintendo.
>>342458245
3 maybe 4
>>342458040
64g usb flash drives are under 20 dollars.
what if it's a console/handheld hybrid gimmick
>>342458074
>handheld/console hybrid
This phrase doesn't mean anything. Stop using it.
Flashcard when?
>>342458245
https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Cruzer-Frustration-Free-Packaging--SDCZ36-064G-AFFP/dp/B007JR5304/ref=sr_1_6?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1466669496&sr=1-6&keywords=flash+drive
20 bucks~
>>342458245
$30-$70 probably
>>342458421
They already tried that with the GBA link cable, the DS/Wii wireless connection and finally the Wii U tablet.
I doubt they're dumb enough to try again.
>>342458532
Those are totally diferent
>Cartridge
NX is a mobile device?
>>342458473
Bluray solds at 1$
This solds at 20$
Except 70$ games
>>342458532
>I doubt they're dumb enough
Those are fighting words for Nintendo.
>>342458593
NX will be the new handheld and the new console. in other words, an extremely powerful handheld. more powerful than the neo.
>>342458684
Oh God
>>342458040
Probably the same as 3DS games. 3DS carts go up to 8GB
and very few if any games actually utilize all the disc space of bluray/whatever Xbone and WiiU use now, much of it is duplicate data so the disc doesn't have to seek as much which means faster read and load times, also uncompressed audio
Like most PS3 games are less than 10gigs if they don't use uncompressed audio
>>342458245
pretty cheap
>>342458447
>handheld unit for on the go gaming
>console unit the handheld plugs into to gain more processing power for better visuals/effect at home
>>342458465
Probably never, seeing as how 3DS and WiiU still got their asses busted wide open despite their best attempts at locking it down
They're going to step up their security game, I wouldn't be surprised if a Vita-tier lockdown of the system is what hackers will run into and promptly give up on
Remember when the NX was supposed to be more powerful than a PS4 and Xbone?
>>342458612
>70 dollar games
you're probably right.
the quality stays the same but the price continues to soar.
>>342458447
Makes sense to me. He's assuming a home console with some sort of detachable on-the-go functionality.
>>342458692
god damn this picture makes me feel bad
>>342458684
Anon, I am the ultimate Ninteno fanboy but
>handheld
>more powerful than the neo
What the fuck are you doing, nigga? Surely you realize what you just typed.
>>342458729
what's the point otherwise?
if they want to attract third parties they better.
>>342458245
You can get a 128GB microSD card for as low as $30.
Flash storage is fucking cheap as hell nowadays.
>>342458861
So add 30 to initial game price?
You dont get this shit arent you
>>342458245
I can literally get a 128gb flash drive for 5 bucks.
>>342458842
that's why it's a hybrid
and please refrain from using the "N" word again. my boyfriend gets very upset.
>>342458753
>uses cartridges
>zero load times
Sounds more powerful to me.
>>342458532
Except that Nintendo only has 1 new console coming out and if you look at it objectively, the 3DS was a much more successful console compared to the Wii U. They have many handheld only series, it would be very strange if they just walked away from the Handheld market
>>342458692
>Fuck, that's what ours looks like.
>>342458930
Link
>>342457356
Solid state storage is objectively the best way to play video games and was only replaced by disks due to the expensiveness of solid state media in the past.
>>342458930
where?
>>342458835
That looks more like a look of contemplation than 'JUST' to me
Part of trade shows is seeing what everyone else is doing, hell, maybe he's hyped for it. Nothing says the CEO of one game company can't enjoy playing the games of their competition. I mean fuck, Shuhei Yoshida comes off as a mega idort who plays all sorts of games
>>342458763
I haven't alive before 2000: The Post.
>>342458740
>console unit the handheld plugs into to gain more processing power for better visuals.
The NX is a Wii U meets 32X? Do you morons want Nintendo to fail?
>>342458924
>retail price = price of production
Absolutely dank.
>>342458245
A couple dollars maybe.
Told you fucking faggots it's a handheld.
It's literally WiiU being slimmed and repurposed into the next handheld.
It'll be a disc driveless WiiU, in a sense. Future NX games will instead release digitally on the WiiU instead of retail disc. WiiU may get a card reader attachment, even.
>cartridges
>zero load times
>>342458931
Sorry my african american friend.
>>342458692
>"why didnt' I become a dentist like mom wanted?"
That sounds cool from a novelty aspect but I don't know how the masses would respond to something like that
>No backwards compatibility confirmed
Eheheheheh
>>342459002
Would be awesome to see USB or SSD used as old school cartridges.
So are they going to be Carts or cards?
My dream would be SNES sized carts just for nostalgia sake
>>342459110
WiiU and 3DS emulation are well on their way
>>342459092
it's alright, nigger.
>>342459091
doesn't installing get rid of load times anyway?
>You will some day have 1TB carts for your NX with all the best games on a single cart
MY DICK
>>342459091
Not with games today, faster than HDD for sure. Think GCN fast.
>>342458784
The phrase doesn't mean anything. It's either a handheld or it's not. Even if the handheld can plug into a television, it still has to meet the size, heat, and power consumption requirements of a handheld.
If it's basically a Wii U except the controller is its own portable in its own right, that's not a hybrid device. It's just two devices that work together.
>>342459123
Lots of rumors are saying cartridges. I think they're just a pleasant thought like the whole hybrid bullshit. Nintendo wants to deviate from the norm but they also want 3rd-party support.
Cartridges have always been the superior way to play video games, much like vinyl being the best option for music.
>>342458924
Sony and Microsoft add $59 to the cost of mass-produced blu-rays.
I can get a 64GB microSD for ~$20, and that has more storage space than a blu-ray.
>>342458956
>the 3DS was a much more successful console compared to
But a failure compared to the DS. They're done, even in the handheld market because the handheld market itself is done. The NX will not sink or swim based on hardware gimmicks like the Wii did, it'll have to go back to what made them famous in the first place and have a killer software lineup. Judging by their performance this gen I don't see that happening. That's life. You can take comfort in the fact that Sony will probably be joining them in the grave too though.
B-but what about the 3DS?
Has it's time come to an end?
Sleep well pupper, you did good.
>>342459164
>installing
I don't know about your experience but every game that I could install still had load times after doing so.
>>342459260
why not just use flac. It's lossless.
>Nintencentimeters will defend this
>>342459234
I dont really see how carts would hurt 3rd party support. Its literally just the same info from a blu ray but on a cart
>>342459204
isn't blue ray faster anyway since it has a shorter beam?
>>342459281
Not for me, my 3DS backlog is huge
>>342459272
Because all casuals went to phones
The 3DS was a bigger success than DS in the sense than it proved you dont need the uber phone casuals to make a very profitable handheld
>>342459220
It could also be an auxillary processing unit, the handheld gets plugged in as the 'brains' of the console and then the aux unit supplements its processing and graphics/memory power
this would probably be prohibitively expensive though
>>342459272
>le nintendo is dying
Post invalidated.
>>342459304
even digital downloads? cartridges don't mean no loading.
>>342459349
Same here. I'll get around to them eventually.
>>342459306
>Digitalshits
No. Vinyls are organic pressings. The sound your hearing, if you've got a proper analog speaker and amp setup too, is REAL shit. Exactly the same timbre that the microphones picked up. Digital shit it's all flattened into 1's and 0's. It sounds "the same" but it doesn't hit your ears the same and give the same effect.
Listening to pristine mint vinyls on my dads setup at full blast is an insane experience. It sounds like you're in the room with the band.
>>342459092
He meant
>Nintenonigger
>>342459281
Time for the king to come back.
>>342458692
>Shit, I didn't think they were going to announce it this soon
>I hope Kimishima doesn't beat me when I get back because of this.
>>342459281
3DS didn't get shit.
it was a joke compared to the library of the DS. are you kidding me?
>>342459326
Third parties have to buy their physical media. Cartridges cost more than a Blu-ray disc. When you are talking about hundreds of thousands to millions of copies for a print run, the cost difference between a 50 cent Blu-ray and a $2-3 cartridge [and I'm being generous here -- it was $7-12 on N64 but a modern cartridge wouldn't be EEPROM] is significant.
>>342459306
He's retarded, that's why.
Records are obsolete and he can't handle that
>>342459391
>auxillary processing unit
So return of the EXT port or Nintendo paying for a Thunderbolt license? Neither seems particularly likely to me.
>>342459415
>record digitally
>release on vinyl
I hate that shit
>>342459272
A successful console is a successful console. Just because it didn't do DS numbers doesn't mean it wasn't a good product for Nintendo. And actually having the thought process that if it isn't as good or better then the DS can be pretty cancerous for a company to have.
Fact is, if Nintendo believes that they can have a successful, profitable handheld system, they would make it.
>>342459458
3DS library shits on the DS's though you utter retard.
>>342459349
Ha! Jokes on you, My backlog for EVERY console is huge!;_;
>>342459415
w-what do you listen to, senpai?
>>342459458
It got tons of games and there are still games coming out for it
>>342459220
A hybrid is just
>a thing made by combining two different elements.
As long as Nintendo sell the NX as a single product it's a hybrid system, deal with it.
>>342459549
They could use the cartridge port again if it has one.
>>342459569
damn nigga that's a funny ass joke.
>>342459375
>Because all casuals went to phones
Casuals weren't on the DS, stop making excuses. Were "casuals" on the GBA? The 3DS was an expensive failure with a 3D feature nobody wanted. 3D is poison. Their next system won't do any better.
>>342459391
>le Nintendo will live forever
Like zombie Atari maybe.
>>342459550
Fucking literal aids
tape > vinyl was fucking wasted on an era of music that was largely derivative, save for the few greats.
There's some pretty good stuff this past decade and a bit and it's all wasted on the youtube mp3 earbud gen
>>342459468
I think I read somewhere that developers had the option on the 64 to use cartridges supplied by Nintendo in exchange for some marketing or some crap but I may have dreamed it.
Any way I'm sure they could work out a deal.
>>342459714
>Casuals weren't on the DS
>>342459710
he's right though. ds lib is overrated as fuck. 3ds blows it out of the water with ease.
>>342459429
>Nintendo makes a new phone
>Its literally a gameboy that can make calls
>>342459703
something like this is probably what they'll do.
> all games compatible with both portable and main system part
>put cartridge into main console and it looks much better.
or something like that. maybe like a more portable wiiu pad.
Nitendo gonna be selling hardware addons?.......before sony and microsoft?......N64 expansion pak coming back?
I'm still kinda iffy on the manufacture cost of an individual SD/microSD card over an individual Blu-Ray/DVD per GB.
>>342458692
>it's not the hardware that matters... It's all about the games
He tells himself
>>342459549
It'd be more like a cradle and the handheld part plugs into it when you're at home, which charges it and lets you use it as a home console.
It won't be like that obviously but it's an interesting though
>>342458473
>20 bucks RETAIL price
So 2 bucks to produce
>>342458930
Nigga don't leave us hanging on a deal like that
>>342459790
I disagree.
you're probably just praising them because they look prettier. also, the nub sucks. if 3ds wasn't bc it would be complete garbage.
>>342459645
>Radiohead
>Triphop(Massive/Portis etc)
>God is an Astronaut
>MBV/Lush/Ride etc
>Stereolab
>cocteau Twins/The Cure/Dead Can Dance
and a host of old dad rocky shit like 70's Genesis and such
>>342459832
For lower data needs its dumb as shit, but if you plan on shipping games that are in the dual layer/triple layer range for bluray its much cheaper to go SD/MicroSD
>>342458692
>T-that's a lot of teraflops
>>342459857
doesn't seem like they're taking either to heart.
where is the third party support?
>>342459396
Built-in HDDs in consoles are pretty slow still.
All I hope is that if it's a handheld it has two circle pads instead of that shitty nipple.
No wonder he looks so sad, weaker than the PS4 and XBOX One confirmed!
>>342457356
>video game cartridges
>video game discs
Why does it have both tags?
What does it mean?
>>342459945
>dad rock
this term needs to die.
>People still parroting the whole "On the go and at home" shit that was a shitty rumor based on a single patent
Wew lad, and the wii was backwards compatible with cartridges too
>>342459563
>A successful console is a successful console. Just because it didn't do DS numbers doesn't mean it wasn't a good product for Nintendo.
Didn't do GBA numbers either. They made far less on the 3DS than they did on their previous calculators, and if that trend continues they'll make even less on the next one. Not exactly sustainable or looking good as a business model.
>>342459905
m8, you're chatting shit and sound like a complete retard.
let's end this little charade.
give me a list of good ds games and i'll blown you the fuck out with a list of good 3ds games.
don't worry, i'll wait.
>>342460007
God damn, I HATE that nipple. I read people saying that it feels and plays fine so I got a New 3DS XL.
I fucking hate the nipple so much. It feels fucking terrible. Anything else would have been better.
>>342459164
>doesn't installing get rid of load times anyway?
Only if it's on a SSD or flash memory. If a system uses an HDD then no.
>>342460035
I know. I just put it into terms that the 19 year olds seem to understand. I'm 27, what classifies as "dad rock" keeps fucking changing. Cunts are gunna be calling Oasis dad rock soon.
>>342460019
WiiU games compatibility.
>>342459776
>no other successful console had shovelware
>>342460164
>This kills the Wii U
>>342459958
Let's not forget this is Nintendo we're talking about here. unless they stop compressing their audio files, there's no way they could possibly fill 40+GB of data without increasing dev time to 6 years, and their teams are already stretched thin right now.
>>342460131
You can try replacing the rubber bit with a PSP1000 nub cap, I did that and it's much more usable now
>I CAN GET A 50 GB CARTRIDGE FOR 20 DOLLARS!
Who gives a fuck, that's 20 dollars that comes out of the developer's pocket every single game. That means they are getting less profit every single game sold. If a developer is considering porting their xbone/PS4 games to nx, that's yet another hurdle nintendo added to the porting costs.
This is going to be nintendo's LAST console.
>>342458397
And discs are 5 cents
So add that 19.95 to your game or you are losing money
>>342459831
>pak actually spelled correctly
Mah nigga
>>342460156
Even a sub 7200rpm mechanical harddrive gets drastically better load times than optical media, disc reading is super slow anon
>retail price are the same as bulk price
I hate this meme
>>342459306
Flac is CD quality you mongoloid. Vinyl is analog so it theoretically has infinite quality.
I can't tell the difference between flac (1.2mbs) and mp3 320kbs, so I just do mp3 though.
>>342460273
Wasn't the reason developers went to the PS1 because cartridges were so expensive?
>>342460447
Well, it may have to do with the fact that the N64 was a bitch to program for.
>>342459091
3DS and Vita games have load times, most of them much worse than the home console version
>>342460447
The memory limitations of cartridges were also prohibitive. Even if a n64 cartridge had the same capacity of a PSX disc, it would have been impossible to have the Final Fantasy games on n64
>>342460364
The only console still streaming off the disc is the Wii U.
>>342460247
I would, but I have one of the limited edition ones and I don't want to open it up.
But if I'm ever able to pick up a New 3DS for cheaper in a couple years I'll remember that.
Thanks, anon.
>>342460438
>analog
>infinite quality
It's either lossless or it isn't.
Well, that's kinda awesome
>>342460000
Built-in HDDs will always be slow
>>342460273
>developer
>profit
You mean the distributor
>>342459857
>>342459964
That's the Xbone slim, you doughnut
Serious question, will this impact third party development? I mean, Reggie may have implied the NX is weaker than the current consoles and that already makes things hard.
I hope Nintendo does it.
All the hipsters will flock to it and a lot of Bluray VS Cartridge shitflinging to be made.
>>342460572
My point being that installing to the hardrive to reduce load times is drastically faster than streaming from disc.
I was responding to the claim that HDD's don't reduce load times in comparison to disc streaming which is a load of bullshit, sure SSD's are faster, but HDD's are still substantially faster than reading from disc
>>342460162
quit reminding how terrible everything is.
>>342458473
>Retail price is mass production cost.
>>342458684
I suspect it'll just be an Nvidia shield or something.
Except worse because its linked to a Nintendo console.
>>342460305
nah, like 7-8 bucks.
hope you're ready for 70 dollar games! this is the future you chose.
>>342458948
>shit audio quality
>less storage space
Making the same mustakes they did with n64.
Aussiecunt from nintendo here in melbourne, just a marketing guy, I've just popped into this thread to sit and laugh but I've had 2 whiskeys and I'm kinda tipsy so fuck it.
NX uses carts, but it's not what you think. The NX comes with "blank carts" like 2 or 3 of them I think. You can then buy more.
You basically take the blank carts to the retail outlet i.e. gamestop for you yanks, and the retail stores will be outfitted with a copy transfer device by nintendo where nintendo sends them a "master" cart, and whenever people go in store with their blank carts to purchase a game, the game is simply loaded up onto their cart and they pay. A much MUCH cheaper retail price than any system has ever had. They'll tell you how much space the game takes up on your cart and if it has the room.
You will probably be able to store like 2 or more NX games on one cart, I think they'll be about 30-50gb each.
New games will be 49$ US on NX from this. No retail overheads at all, it's like a digital copy sold in store transfered directly to you.
Otherwise, you can just purchase the games digitally from the online store. The NX carts themselves sold separately will cost about 50 bucks each.
Dev's don't have to do shit or worry about costs. Nintendo is sending gamestop digital game copies and a device to transfer them to users on purchase.
>>342460870
>shit audio
Can you hear the difference between 320kbps mp3 and FLAC?
Would cartridges be faster than Blu Rays?
3DS still have awful load times
>>342460742
It was more in a response comparing NX to project scorpio/neo which are chasing VR and 4k and stating that they are more focused on giving people content over chasing gimmicks and ultra hd
>>342460156
Flash memory is no silver bullet either. The cheap solutions that anons are suggesting are slower than you'd think with maximum speeds in the 30-50 MB/s range. Something of that caliber is effectively useless since you have to install the game to the HDD anyway, it just makes the initial install less painful and slightly simplifies streaming assets. I'd wager no console manufacturer is willing to go for those minute advantages for all that extra cost.
Actually fast solid-state media is a whole another can of beans and nobody wants titles retailing around $100, so that's not a path worth exploring
>>342460920
Flash memory >>> discs
>>342460742
Third part development is pretty much going to be nonexistent like always. Even if Nintendo did everything like Sony and Microsoft, the third parties still wouldn't focus on them. Like always Nintendo is better off making good games on their own supplemented by the few third parties who want to throw them a bone. Now whether or not they'll actually make good games in the quantities needed remains to be seen.
>>342460641
If you stretch a "lossless" digital file out, it'll distort .
Analog can be stretched to the end of time and it just smoothly lingers on. It's why vinyls are still used in djing and not digital copies. They have TRUE infinite quality so they can be messed with in any manner.
>>342460941
probably cus its a 3ds with shit hardware
>>342460913
Stop lying aussie
>>342460913
>Implying Gamestop, a venue that is dying and suffering due to digital distribution and online retailers, would ever agree to this
You really must be drunk
>>342457356
No backwards compatibility then, NX only adopters BTFO.
>>342460913
They did something like this back in the 80s with the Famicom Disk Drive, which used floppy disks.
Can Nintendo do anything without a gimmick, holy shit
>>342460913
Are you stupid? Retailers still take a cut from games from advertisements and "carrying" the item. So publishers still factor that in.
>>342461160
I was using it as an example shit for brains. I mean retailers in general. Here in australia it'd be places like harvey norman and jbhifi etc.
It's literally just a black box thing, they'll have the master game carts behind the counter.
Nintendo literally sells gamestop a single master cart of a game, instead of shipping shitloads of bulk. The plan is to make money off way less overheads to nintendo and offer slightly more returns to the retailer because of this. Also to sell more cards to people who want to stock up on loadsagames.
>>342461184
>implying this isn't the best gimmick
>>342460913
So it's the 80s again? Thanks 'straya.
>>342461184
>Complaining
>While posting overwatch memes
>>342459156
1. Only for people with really expensive rigs
2. You still won't have any online functionality.
>>342461184
Not anymore, no. They can't keep their games fresh so they try to do that with gimmicks instead. Funny thing is a lot of older fans just want a console with a decent hardware.
>>342461291
At that point why even bother? It's basically digital.
>>342459002
This to be honest.
Considering that we nowadays have cards and flash drives for between 5 - 30bucks, I think it's safe to say that it's not that implausible for Nintendo to do this now. You also have to consider the fact that they will more than likely do their own cartridges too (Though a manufacturer will of course massproduce it for them of course)
Heck, it's mighty possible that it's a lot better than discs since it means less loading time and less risk of damage during transport and such I imagine.
>>342458340
Do you have any idea of how the technology currently works?
>>342461246
As did I. Nintendo will not be suffering any overhead. They send each retailer a single mastercart of the game, the initial copying devices obviously and any retail stuff like controllers as standard. They're offering the retailer more price per NX game than they'd be getting from PS4 games even despite the price drop.
>>342460919
Nigga the n64 us well known for its inferior sound quality and storage compared to the original playstation. Hell it dow right pissed developers off. They do carts and it's the same mistake
>>342461184
>Cartridges
>Gimmick
We truly are in the worst timeline.
>>342461184
Last time they did, nobody bought it.
>>342461364
Yes. but it's digital that works in a retail sense too and everyone wins. People don't have to wait to download a game, they can take their card in and buy the game and take it straight back home, just like retail, but with less cost to nintendo, the user and it's more convenient with better load times.
>>342460913
sounds bretty good if this is true. Would encourage more 3rd party support, lower costs. Only issue i think is making people buy carts for that price.
>>342461476
but no one wants to do that shit. I have remember a cart to get a digital copy of something that doesn't even have a box or sticker or anything? Fuck that.
>>342461291
>Box breaks
>No games to sell and lost profit
>Easily lost
>Essentially DRM
>>342461291
Yeah, and all the gamestops in all your hick towns will risk the same investment as the gamestops in the cities.
>>342459096
Kek
>>342460913
I don't think this is remotely true, because that sounds like an ACTUAL fucking good idea and Nintendo wouldn't do that because they've been retarded as fuck the last bunch.
>All the bonuses of retail and digital in one fell swoop
Not gunna happen
Is this the beginning of the end for bluray?
Finally.
I guess this helps cut down on manufacturing costs. Not only for the NX Console, but also the number of SKUs for one game that Nintendo would have to print.
>>342461450
Even the gamecube had some "gimmicks" that didn't help. The tiny discs for no reason had shitty memory capacity, and if you consider visual design a gimmick, kids who want to seem cool don't want to play their games on a purple lunchbox
>>342461416
Carts have come a long way though. I still don't think it's a good idea, but to say they're still limiting isn't really true.
>>342461349
>2. You still won't have any online functionality
That's hardly a bad thing.
>>342461450
>Good console with good graphics and plenty of third party games
>No one bought it because "It's not Sony!!!"
I fucking hate console fanboys.
>>342461416
And?
Why would modern carts have shit audio quality?
We weren't talking about the N64.
I fucking hate when you fucking retards and journalists base rumours on trademark applications. It means nothing you dense fucks. Look at the WHOLE list of goods and service that are applied for.
t. lawyer who works at a national trademark office
>>342461539
>no one wants to do that shit.
Fuck you, I'd do it. I'll do ANYTHING that doesn't require actually downloading the entire game. My download speed is fucking abysmal.
>>342461664
>Splatoon
>Mario maker
>Mario kart 8
>>342457356
Link?
>>342461476
>everyone wins
>Game is shit
>Can't get a refund
>>342461391
I thought they should win publishers over, not retailers?
>>342458930
Is this from wholesale stuff in bulk or...?
>>342461695
Gee tell us something we don't know. This is just speculation you fucking doofus.
You're conflating journalism reporting on a rumor (which they should always avoid) to a bunch of fans just talking about the feasibility of the rumor.
>>342461695
Stop ruining our fun.
>>342459980
3rd party support doesn't exist anymore, and the ones that do are on exclusivity life support.
Everything is a multiplat, first party, or second party.
>>342461764
Remember, anon, Nintendo is a publisher. One of the largest game publishers on the planet. They share the same exact ideas as EA, Activision, and others [you don't think Microsoft came up with digital-only without any input from major publishers, do you?] who want to get rid of used game sales.
>>342460870
Anon, what decade do you think it is?
>>342461689
Because nin r endos current carts for 3ds are 8gb maxed and they have terrible sound quality due to compression and if nintendo wants to use cart with any decent sized memory for audio and fmvs devd still use today they will jack the games price up for the consumer. Bluray had its flaws but its cheaper and if the game has an install feature it loads pretty fast
>>342460237
there are first party wii u games size of 20gb like xenoblade.
no way games arent going to be bigger with 1080p support
>>342460913
Reminds me of my PSP days. Just bring my PSP to my local game shop and they'll load up on all the pirated games you ever want at almost nothing
>>342461764
That's going to be the downside, pretty much.
Nintendo is hoping though that the lower game cost will make it less arduous to the user. That and refunds will get you a credits based thing on the eshop instead. Game purchases in stores will be tied to your account (you have to setup the memory cart to your account in the beginning)
>>342457356
So the NX will be like a chromecast or slingbox then, take it with you on the go and then sling it to or put it into a home unit so that you can play your games on the big screen.
>>342458072
Lets a see
>game boy releases and is popular
Within a year, there's copies
>Wii releases and is popular
Within 2 years there's copies on competitors systems
>WiiU revealed a year before release
Competitors implement similar split screen tech for their new consoles
It basically cuts down the R&D time for competitors to copy your shit.
>>342461885
I never said the price wouldn't go up.
But thanks for proving my point.
>>342461876
Suppose that's a point actually.
>>342460913
>implying there is gamestop at europe or middle east or asia.
good , way to kill console
>>342462001
So what are these carts, anyway? SD? Something else proprietary?
You're full of shit but I'm curious.
>>342461350
>Funny thing is a lot of older fans just want a console with a decent hardware
I think "older fans" just want good games. There's no way they can compete with PC and Playstation in terms of getting AAA shitfests ported at this point and I don't think they have the dev power to churn out games like that themselves. The withered technology thing will only work for them if they have must-play exclusives like they used to, not the horseshit they tried to pull this gen. Hell, the Wii stole MonHun Tri from the PS3 so it can be done, but they need to convince people it's something they need to buy first.
>>342462061
>Competitors implement similar split screen tech for their new consoles
Not really. Very few Sony and MS games did dual screens.
>>342458930
>aliexpress 128gb cards
KEK
>>342457946
>>342458861
>>342459002
>>342461370
>You can get a 128GB microSD card for as low as $30.
9 MB per second transfer speed.
Welcome to load time hell.
Guys...there is also video game discs stated
Backwards compatability confirmed
GET HYPE
>>342462174
What's the joke here. I've been buying SD cards and USB Flash cards from chinese online stores for years, and they're all still alive and kicking.
They're so easy to produce not even the chinese can fuck them up.
>>342458245
For a ROM chip? Couple of bucks.
Read-only memory is a lot cheaper than read/write memory like a flash drive or SD card.
>>342462289
>Wii U version
>>342461675
>and plenty of third party games
Compared to the competiton? No not at all.
You are the fanboy here unfortunately.
>>342462289
For the WiiU version.
>>342460913
I'm a real marketer and holy shit, this is just hilarious to read. Is this some pasta? Love it.
>>342462275
Good thing it costs way less to mass produce a quality cartridge than to buy at standard retail anon! You don't really think Nintendo pays $20 for each cartridge they will use right? McD's pays like 5 cents to make a hamburger that costs you ~$8 to make on your own
>>342461675
>I fucking hate console fanboys.
>he says as he blames Sony for the GC being a flopping piece of cube shit
>>342462421
I'm actually sloshed right as of now cunt.
Kinda just typed it out, that double spacing is shameful shit
>>342462456
loading...loading.... looooooooaaaaaaading.
>please wait warmly while your cartridge loads by 8MB/s
>>342457356
Sweet. Time for frenetic blowing.
>>342462147
They didn't know how popular it would be, but I guarantee the Glass/Vita linkups were in response to the WiiU and its perceived popularity at the time of reveal
>>342458924
>you don't get this shit aren't you
>>342461776
publishers wouldn't have to worry about physical media, and could potentially get more profit per unit.
>>342458532
>>342458643
This.
Just when you think "they wouldn't censor THAT!"
>>342457356
>Devs will actually have to compress their audio instead of bloating a disc with 20GB of FLACs
IT'S OGRE, NINTENDO IS FINISHED
>all these people arguing that retail price is the same as a custom made cartridge
I hate summer
>>342462456
Nintendo pays even lesser using discs
>>342462275
more like 20
>>342460273
Anon do you have any clue how business works?
>>342462678
>FLAC
WAV you fucking tool.
>>342462681
>all these people ignoring the 3ds has atrocious load times even with small games.
>>342462713
True but by like half a cent if anything. It costs nothing for cartridges these days this isn't the 90's anymore
>>342462724
>6,5 MB per second.
Good luck loading HD games and full HD games with that.
>>342462775
It's not even just the 3DS, the Vita does too.
>>342462551
>>342462275
Are we seriously going to pretend that USB 3.0 does not exist with 120 mb/s read speed?
>>342458072
Getting people to buy their product without knowing what they're getting into.
>>342460913
So if this is true we get 2 or 3 games for $50 then everything after is $100.
Terrible lies, aussie.
>>342462316
A battery powered 3d ram chip would be more efficient. Having the battery recharged/bypassed when plugged in would ensure longevity as long as you plug it in every now and then. It's kind of pointless though when you can just download games from the internet now.
>>342462807
For a cartridge that would perform reasonably close to or superior to an HDD in read times, no it does not cost "nothing".
>>342462859
high capacity microsd is very slow, has fuck all to do with USB 3 spec
>>342462859
Microsd doesn't use usb3.
>>342462859
Yes
>>342462887
Nah. Just do what the 3DS does: A bunch of read-only storage for the game, and a little bit of read/write for the save games.
>>342462275
>what are 681mb/s transfer speed sdcards
Nigga. Please.
>>342462775
The 3DS also is a weak handheld. A console will be more than able to handle load times in 2016 if it could do it in the 80s and 90s
>>342462967
newer cartridges are moving the save to the sd card
>>342460913
I wish, my mexican pesos can't handle the price of the dolars and i can't buy games anymore
>>342462994
Enjoy your 100 dollar cartridges.
>>342462807
Oh wow. Retail blank blu ray discs are 50 cents each and a same size retail flash drive costs 20 bucks so it must mean the difference in production price is half a cent. That's about 4000% profits for the flash drive makers!
Why the fuck would they use cartridges when digital releases are more profitable by a huge margin?
You fags are delusional.
>>342463017
The processor isn't the bottleneck when you transfer from a microSD storage.
>>342458763
What is inflation. Games have been $60 for decades without an increase and systems have been in the range of $400-$600 for a long time as well.
Of course over time prices do fall.
Go look up the price of an NES game and system in 1986 and factor in inflation from then to now.
Most people hate when this is said but games are cheaper now than they were in the 80s/90s because of inflation.
>>342463125
Because no one buys digital on Nintendo consoles.
>>342458245
http://www.dramexchange.com/
>64Gb 8Gx8 MLC
>Session Average : 2.776
>NAND 64Gb 8Gx8 MLC
>Average : 2.02
>>342463250
I wouldn't trust them with digital purchases.
>>342463176
game prices were all over the fucking place in the 80's/90's they were selling carts for $75 which is over $110 today.
>>342463250
because Nintendo has no capacity
>>342462913
I really think your underestimating how cheap it is to mass produce things
>>342461423
We have to make a Jump anon
maybe if we all gather together and try to kill each other one of us will gather enough "______" to jump back
>>342462967
>have console copy what a handheld does
no, please don't run a manufacturing process ever.
>>342463394
There is literally nothing wrong with read-only flash cards for software distribution.
>>342463176
>Most people hate when this is said but games are cheaper now than they were in the 80s/90s because of inflation.
Different anon but that's not really true--you have to look at incomes. Incomes have been falling since the 80s so they're actually more expensive as far as the average consumer is concerned. A good chunk of 'murrica is now next to starving.
>>342458931
Nigger
You guys better hope the NX renders games in low resolution.
853 x 480 is about the limit you should have your device at, if your device is cripple by MicroSD transfer speed.
Unless you want load time hell.
>>342463348
>$50 for a gameboy pocket
Pretty good deal famalama.
>>342463446
>read-only flash
that's not how it works, please stop talking
>>342463612
handhelds were always the best prices, if you notice, each gen Nintendo raised the price of carts by $5
>>342463519
that's not how it works
games aren't "streamed" from the media
>>342463341
>>342463348
Exactly.
>Why the fuck would they use cartridges when digital releases are more profitable by a huge margin?
This is why.
>>342463708
Oh for fucks sake, anon. Stop acting like you don't know what I mean.
A fucking ROM card for software distribution. There, happy? You nitpicky cunt.
>another desperate nintendo shitpost thread
>>342463519
Wouldn't it just use flash memory though?
>>342463735
If we're talking about 3D games.
Higher resolution = Larger filesized games needed.
>>342463789
what
>>342463746
battery powered ram is better and cheaper to make though, especially considering 3d ram is more common. ROM is sequential and would have to be loaded to ram anyways. Fuck off m8.
>>342463818
You've been inside own little world for this long, and never gone outside your bubble?
>>342463750
Every single post in this thread is a shitpost almost.
This was playing in my head the entire time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USvMWm-ZqvQ
I don't care that "apparently" traffic doesn't increase that much even though that was said years ago. It feels like shitposting levels go off the carts.
>>342459415
Top, fucking, KEK. Everything today is recorded digitally. What you're listening in vinyl is just a physical copy of a 32bit wav. Spending ca$h in wax instead of 1s and 0s doesn't make you superior if that's what you think famalam.
>>342463885
what
>>342463735
If the game isn't going to be read directly from the cartridge, what the fuck is the point of using a cartridge? You might as well just use an optical drive and hard drive.
The point of a cartridge would be to remove the optical drive and the HDD, right? Otherwise why incur the higher cost of ROM over discs?
>>342460752
>Bluray VS Cartridge shitflinging
Is the Xbone even using BDs? I thought it was some HD-DVD-related solution.
Haven't really followed that to be honest, though.
>>342463474
Wages on average have gone up since the 80s, you think a construction worker or accountants have a similar or lower salary now on average than 30 years ago?
What you're trying to say is there is a difference in PPP (purchasing power parity). Our dollar may not stretch as far in say buying a house or car because things like that have gone up in price faster than inflation.
This is true for other things in the exact opposite manner as well. Food nowadays is cheaper because it has not increased in price as fast as inflation.
This doesn't change the fact that Nintendo games and systems took a bigger bite out of your wallet in the 80s/90s than they do today.
http://m.ign.com/articles/2013/10/15/the-real-cost-of-gaming-inflation-time-and-purchasing-power
>>342463893
So why did you read through the thread?
>>342463963
I suspect the retard doesn't even know what 3D textures are, and why they need to be larger for higher resolution games.
>>342463997
Nope, HD DVD was a massive failure and was abandoned fairly quickly. The standard is blu-ray now.
>>342458763
>the quality stays the same
>>342463929
>ca$h in wax
it's not a gramophone, what millennium are you from?
Someone explain to me the benefits that a cartridge would bring over a disc.
>>342463997
Microsoft caved in. It's now emulating the Sony disc solution.
The Scorpio also caved in. It's now using the PS4's GDDR5 memory hierarchy, instead of the ESRAM on cpu.
>>342464083
So a chunk of each game sold for Xbone goes to Sony?
That's brilliant in a way.
>>342464028
>So why did you read through the thread?
Bordem.
>>342464134
if they do it properly it would be like inserting a ready stick of ram with the game already loaded creating zero load times aside from rng/cpu computations.
>>342464134
It could result in a lower price for the console if an optical drive and/or the HDD were not included.
>>342464134
durability and maybe capacity plus technically harder to pirate
>>342464134
No load times.
>>342463519
A read only sd style storage will run a lot quicker. DS games run off of similar media, and they have almost zero loading speed.
>>342464285
>>342464217
This thread is full of retards who still live in the gameboy age.
They think their video games only take up 8 BM in filesize, so they think their MicroSD cards are adequately fast enough.
>>342464134
What's the benefits of 3ds cartridges? Exactly.
>>342464285
3ds has tons of fucking load times are you brain damaged?
>>342464195
not playstation sony, but yes, it sort of does. Nintendo refuses to use blu-ray and uses some panasonic optical disc solution.
>>342464285
This is not accurate. 3DS has load times. If the cartridge has a fast enough read time, though, it could eliminate install times.
>>342464241
Production of the cartridges themselves would also be significantly less than discs.
>>342464318
>DS games run off of similar media, and they have almost zero loading speed.
Do you even know what the average filesize for a DS game was?
>>342464318
3DS games most definitely have loading.
>>342464005
>IGN
https://mises.org/blog/us-median-income-falling
Why do you think companies are shifting to F2P or episodic/DLC models? Why is Steam making money hand over fist compared to the industry dinosaurs? The days of $60-80 physical games and $400-500 consoles are done. All it'll take is another 2008 and the house of cards will come crashing down.
>>342461675
There's a difference between blind console fanboyism and
>no-one bought the gamecube because the PS2 had too many fucking games to play
>>342464420
Zero chance on that. Blu-ray is cheaper than SD cards and a contract order from Nintendo isn't going to change that.
>>342464442
Yes and it was generally proportional to the technology of the time circa 2004 laddo.
>>342464341
no you nigger, they wouldn't use MicroSD that's dumb as fuck. Flash storage for something that is being read only is stupid. They should use actual 3D ram instead.
>>342464372
yeah the 3ds has shit load times because it isn't using efficient tech.
>you going to have to blow dust off cartridges again
>>342464514
But 40 million PS4s tho...
>>342464560
Sure, if you enjoyed 250x190 resolution gaming.
But do you actually hope the NX will be low resolution enough for your cheap microSD memory speeds?
>>342464442
I'll answer for him: The average size was somewhere around 32 megabytes. The largest game were 512MB, includes some of the later pokemon games. However, 3DS cart rips were padded from the end of real content to the end of storage capacity - meaning 1MB or 255MB of the cart (or anywhere in between) could be filler. It wasn't uncommon for 30% of the cart to be such padding.
>>342464673
How fast is the average Bluray disc?
>>342464603
>They should use actual 3D ram instead.
What is this, and how much is it going to cost?
I bet the carts will be something like UMD but will use HVD as the media
>>342464763
That doesn't matter much, both the Xbox and the Playstation installs all their content to the harddisk.
>>342464668
Compared to 80 million+ PS3s, 80 million+ 360s and 100 million+ Wiis? It'sogre.
So from what I get ITT, NX games will cost 20 dollars and the the hardwate costs 200 dollars? Zero load times, highest quality graphics and fully portable? How can Sony even compete?
>>342464778
3d ram is like regular ram but it's stacked for better speeds/size. As to how much it costs that depends how well nintendo makes the manufacturing process and how much of a loss they're willing to take to push cutting edge tech out like they should be doing.
>>342464841
>HVD
It's vaporware.
JUST wait until
>Nintendo's return to cartridges is the reason why we won't develop for the console
>Price of cartridges makes 3rd party support difficult.
>>342464763
72 mb/s I think at most when it comes to read speed.
>>342464871
>As to how much it costs that depends how well nintendo makes the manufacturing process
Nintendo doesn't own any semiconductor foundries at all.
>>342464763
>>342464849
slow as balls which is why they install instead of read off the disc
>>342457356
Sounds good. Flash memory is the future. Disc based systems are shit tier.
>not just buying everything digitally
Loving every laugh.
>>342464867
Holy shit you're right. And after 2 and a half awfully long ass years too...
>>342464871
Are you talking about stuff like HMC and HBM? Or is there some other kind of stacked memory I'm not aware of?
>>342464920
well then it's up to who they get in contact with and again how much of a loss they're willing to make to get it cheap and available.
>>342464929
Installation solves all problems.
So you can keep the expenses low with cheap discs.
Nintendo will lose the 3rd parties yet again.
>>342464995
Yes, Nintendo should spend 5 billion USD to build a top modern semiconductor foundry so you can brag about how awesome your cartridge is.
>>342458245
Ignore everyone saying 10-40$
Licensing fees and engineering included they'll probably need $20-$30 for the first few years like DS it is first few years $20+
After 2 years I'm positive it'll go down to $5-20
>>342464942
>paying for digital goods
top retard
>>342464979
HBM is different but closely similar, so if thinking of it like that would help you better understand, then yeah it is.
>>342460305
I was pretty sure Nintendo was using something similar to Blu-Ray disks for the Wii U, aren't those more expensive?
>>342465005
you'd think so but only on PS4, it takes over an hour to install a game on the Xbone.
Let that sink in for a minute, you get home all excited to play your new game and you have to wait over an hour after you insert the disc.
I don't know how PS4 does it but you can play immediately after putting in the disc.
>>342465106
Using something like that for game cartridges is probably the worst fucking idea I've ever heard on this board.
>>342465005
>Installation solves all problems.
lol
>>342465061
>thinking I implied they build a foundary
no you shit, they should contract it with a company who is capable jesus fucking christ why do I have to explain shit to you.
WHERE'S THE LINK
>>342460913
This is convoluted and stupid that I believe it. Nintendo is this dense.
>>342465214
So, how technically inclined are you? It sounds like you're just being contrarian without explaining why.
>>342458684
Nintendo gets sued to oblivion after causing first degree burns fucking kek
>>342465221
>uld contract it with a company who is cap
They already have company for cartridges for 3ds and they reported to have way more profit around time of NX.
>>342465221
Adding another middleman just makes it more expensive.
> mentions cartridges
>turns to "AHAHAHA THEY'RE USING MICROSD"
Is everyone suddenly retarded?
>>342465119
>you'd think so but only on PS4, it takes over an hour to install a game on the Xbone.
Lol wut? PS4 isn't any better
Even small games like das2 remake took more than half of hour to install from the disk
>>342465312
I've always been able to play within 5 minutes on PS4
>>342463519
dumb animeposter.
>>342465292
how do you think they make consoles. Just shit them out with magic fairy dust?
>>342465287
well there you go
>>342465312
What the other guy says is true.
The PS4 discs are segmented into partitions, and there is redundancy copied into each partition so they each act as their own small mini game which you spent time in while the other segments are installed in the background.
>>342465280
>The anticipated price per bit was expected to be higher than NAND and lower than DRAM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D_XPoint
Awful, awful, awful idea. The console market is not high end. It's not cutting edge. You haven't stumbled upon some incredible nugget of insight. You want Nintendo -- fucking Nintendo -- to incorporate expensive proprietary tech that's partly in the hands of turbo kike Intel?
Sounds you really thought it through.
>>342459790
i agree, gba and 3ds are for me have the best libraries in the portable gaming consoles department
>>342458074
Not a hybrid, it's a platform like the Xbox meaning you could use that cartridge for both the console and the handheld which probably be sold both separately and bundled that way you could play your games in your console or on the go like Microsoft's Xbox Play Anywhere.
>>342465495
the point of consoles is to provide cutting edge tech at a low cost for home use. OR AT LEAST IT USED TO BE INSTEAD OF SHOVELING SHIT OUT TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE. fuck this industry.
>oh you mean people will eat this garbage up since it has out name on it and we don't actually have to try to innovate? well okay then!
>>342464929
>1x speed is faster than a SD card
>>342465284
I thought Nintendo didn't use Nvidia chips in their consoles though?
>>342458684
I guess that handheld gonna literally melt my hands off.
>>342465624
>>the point of consoles is to provide cutting edge tech at a low cost for home use.
Not for Nintendo.
Nintendo took the game cube CPU and overclocked it with less than 250 Mhz and hoped people would consider it next generation.
You need to understand this is what Nintendo is at its core.
>>342462275
are you an idiot? flash memory is faster than both SSDs and normal disk drives.
>>342457356
Ever heard of covering all bases? They're not making cartridges, they're protecting themselves against cartridges. Go watch the Classic Game Post-mortem of Ms Pacman at GDC if you wanna know why that matters.
>>342465786
Good luck Ivan. Id you thought your 3ds had atrocious loading times, just wait for the NX.
>>342465682
maybe it'll come with a dedicated cooling backpack?
>>342465718
yeah I understand nintendo and modern companies are jews. The only solution is to boycott but fat chance that is going to happen.
>>342460913
this is fucking retarded and you should feel bad for lying
>>342465624
The console industry has much more often than not, not featured cutting edge tech. The reason why it's at a low cost is precisely because it isn't on the bleeding edge. That's exactly why neither Microsoft nor Sony went to the bleeding edge with their latest consoles after the absolute bath they took in the 7th generation.
>>342465926
That's actually a portable VR machine.
It's a pretty cool concept, but I think it will only have potential in huge game arcades.
>>342465682
That sounds really fun, sign me up.
>>342464134
they look cute
>>342465386
Rumor also suggsted using one of latest AMD chips for consoles.
>>342465949
You understand this much, and yet you still believe they will use 3D ram instead of slow as shit SDcards?
>>342466001
>alright time to play some games
>let me just put my glasses on and now the 22kg backpack, now where did I put those pesky motion control thingies... yup there we go
I get there are situations where it'll have use but holy fuck this VR fad is just begging to be made fun of
>>342466129
That was a long time ago. Old rumors that doesn't generate any buzz anymore.
>>342458692
>I told them to match the NX specs of the PS4 Neo and Scorpio
>they matched the Xbone Slim
>>342457356
So no BC. Fuck. I guess I need to buy a used Wii U to play Bayonetta, W101 and Tropical Freeze.
>>342465980
yeah if you're under 25 years old and haven't seen old consoles then you're exposed to nothing but cheap shit from them, but back when consoles were first introduced they led the market namely because it was cheaper better and higher quality to play on consoles and was innovating tech. Sony flopped with the ps3 which had high end tech pitched at a low price for what it was mostly due to they didn't lower the price enough for consumers and the fact it was ridiculous to develop in that environment. Their solution was to create a similar dev platorm as pc since that is proven effective. The problem with copying the pc architecture is that it's a shit architecture that should 100% be dropped but wont due to consumer investment and familiarity.
Everyone hates change and people are afraid of using something different, this is the cancer that is plaguing the tech industry.
>>342462775
Isn't the 3DS CPU ridiculously dated?
>>342466191
I'm saying they SHOULD use it not that they WILL use it. I agree 100% that they most likely will just make big 3ds carts or something since that's cheap as shit and people accept it. Do I like that and think it's a good way to go, clearly fuck no.
cartridges only make sense with a portable system because nobody wants UMDs again.
>>342466469
Yes, and even if you upgraded the CPU, its storage medium and cartridges are still slow as fuck.
Calculation speed and transfer speed are two separate things.
>>342458753
It better be.
The NX being on par with three year consoles which were a bit weak to begin is pretty stupid.
I kinda like the cartridge idea, though.
>>342462313
>and they're all still alive and kicking
Kicking in their "bad by 2001 standards" performance, yes.
>>342466641
>The NX being on par with three year consoles
When you see the actual NX, you would wish they were on par.
>>342466423
I was alive back then, times have changed. It's affordable to buy computer components that well out preform consoles these days unlike it used to be. In the past we didn't have that kind of power cheap enough for non-millionaires to afford but we do now. Plus PC gaming offers so many perks and benefits that console gaming does its more appealing for tech companies to cater to that market rather than build a super console. You'll never return to days where the SNES was out performing PC games again because it isn't affordable anymore
>>342459803
If the NX was that, I'd be pissed off.
But if Nintendo did end up releasing a phone, that would be sweet.
This is good news imo
I just hope there is BC. A seperate disc drive will be good.
>>342466423
>yeah if you're under 25 years old
No, you dumb faggot. Consoles have, for the most part, been lower end tech that is NOT on the bleeding edge. It doesn't mean they are bad, but it's the truth.
Two consoles that tried to be on the absolute bleeding edge, the PS3 and Xbox360, were massive financial underperformers. Other than those two, I guess you could count the Trojan horse DVD drive in the PS2 or the SGI collaboration with Nintendo, but even that was based on workstations that had been around for years and years.
>>342466738
Where is your proof
>>342466264
ya well cartridge rumor is old too.
>>342466842
My proof is in Nintendo.
The company who thought a 243 Mhz CPU overclock was good enough to qualify as nextgen hardware.
>>342466884
The cartridge rumour just got revitalised. And pretty much confirmed.
>>342466914
That is not enough proof for the NX
Nice projection and assumptions though
>>342466914
They actually downclocked that chip from the 1Ghz that IBM had it running at.
>>342466973
Not really trying to start argument but yeah Cartridge idea looks cool I just hope they got good anti piracy.
>>342460164
I wonder if it'll be BC all the way back to the Wii.
I'd regret my Wii U purchase then.. but if it isn't.. well.. my Wii was dying anyway.
This isn't the 90's anymore, kids.
>>342467029
>Cartridge idea looks cool
In flawed theory.
But then you need to be reminded of how large the Full HD games are in this day and age, and consider how feasible slow cartridges are as a medium.
>>342467063
Well yeah. You wouldn't be born yet if it was.
>>342460162
>Jerry Cantrell gets on stage to promote Rocksmith 2014 at Ubisoft's conference
>everyone is asking "wtf is this dad rock shit"
People probably refer to Nirvana as Dad Rock too.
God, I want to relive the feeling of popping a cartridge into a console.
>>342467094
>of how large the Full HD games are in this day and age, and consider how feasible sl
Whats all the hub bub about no load times man they could easily get 512gb space.
>>342466993
Those were more fair than your assumptions, considering Nintendo's personality.
>>342459873
Against 0.1 for bluray
>>342466750
great, but you forget that the common pc gamer uses a 4+ year old laptop or is in a shithole country with a deathgrip on how well tech gets sold. Plus the nightmare of the peacock-like pc echosystem doesn't help.
>>342466805
3rd to 5th console generation
>>342467173
>no load times man
Just like the 3ds, right?
>>342467254
Personally no point for all of us to get up in arms when none of no shit and we got wait out and find out.
>>342467254
no, just like the n64 my man
>>342458692
I feel like he's scoping that design to copy it or something.
Oh my god. Why are people so retarded?
When one says "no load times" in most cases he's implying "virtually". Come on it's not that hard to get.
>>342467308
Yes, lets go back to 16 MB game sizes.
>>342467354
this board is full of literal autism, on multiple levels.
>>342467354
Virtually?
The NX doesn't even have VR you retard
>>342467483
lol so funny joke
I love the "pretend to be retarded" meme
>>342467394
SM64 and OoT are still extremely influential games, so maybe we SHOULD go back
On a serious note, carts can't afford to have a marketing disaster like the gamepad. Average joe doesn't understand the medium is actually viable nowadays, he'll even think it's Nintendo being archaic again. They need to drive the point home real good
>>342458740
>very few if any games actually
Yeah, no they fucking do. Anyone who buys digitally knows that more than half of the games are more than 30 gig.
>>342467618
>Average joe doesn't understand the medium is actually viable nowadays,
It's viable for games than are 2-3 GB filesize max.
A 1080P resolution console needs a faster medium.
I imagine being like this:
>SO...how can we fuck this one up fampai?
>what about using cartridges again?
>(everyone) SUGOOOIIII DESUUUUUU!!!!
man, its like someone in nintendo doesnt want them to success
>>342457356
i never thought /v/ was this retarded, but i guess it is europe time
I gotta say, I think this would be cool if true.
What if
>cartridge to insert into handheld NX
>play SD version of game
>insert cartridge into home NX
>installs HD version of game onthe console's HDD
>>342467796
Yes, people tend to be very ignorant of the high costs and low performance of cheap cartridges.
>>342467725
unless it actually is a split handheld/home console device, they could regulate the handheld portion to cartridge and then have the home version be a "digital patch" so to speak.
i.e. you'd have to download such and such extra data to get it to run on the home version of the device
>>342467774
Great argument there
>>342467764
so, dumb frogposter you don't like it simply because it was used in the past? Got a suggestion for them to use instead oh mighty tech innovator?
>>342457356
why not
>>342467880
That's actually a good idea.
They would just need a mechanism to control the cartridge, so only one of its installations can play at any given time. Use the cartridge and a unique DRM somehow.
>>342467962
Well, having to keep the cartridge inserted into the console to play te game should be enough, right?
>>342467952
Maybe he just want cartridges because they cause long ass load times in modern sized games.
>>342467962
the home version is probably just complimentary hardware that you drop the handheld version into, that adds more power, etc.
>>342457590
this is what interests me.
maybe the device will have limited storage and expandable memory but to fit certain games on cartridge they need to have those games save to a memorycard?
i really want to know what it looks like now.
>>342468063
>that adds more power
The storage transfer speed is the problem here. High resolution games need more storage than ever before.
>>342468129
So the home console will have an HDD built-in, problem solved.
>>342468129
which is where the downloaded extra data comes in, the certain files would run off the cartridge and everything else gets installed from the patch.
>>342459281
We still don't know for a fact what NX is.
>>342457590
GAMECUBE 2
Ooooh please dont let them pull stupid shit like sony's 80-100 darasu memory cards!
>>342468450
that was the Wii
>>342468460
Look at nintendo history vs Sony , I don't think they ever did that crap. I mean was like 10-20 bucks right.
>>342468503
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Wii, is in fact, Gamecube/Wii, or as I've recently taken to calling it, Gamecube plus Wii. Wii is not a console unto itself, but rather another gimmick of a fully functioning Gamecube system made useful by Dolphin, Gekko and vital system components comprising a full console as defined by casuals.
Many casuals run a modified version of the Gamecube system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of Gamecube which is widely used today is often called "Wii", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the Gamecube system, developed by Nintendo.
There really is a Wii, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the console they use. Wii is the gimmick: the part in the system that allows casuals to waggle the wii remote and send signals to casual game you play. The gimmick is an essential part of a console, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete console. Wii is normally used in combination with the Gamecube console: the whole system is basically Gamecube with Wii added, or Gamecube/Wii. All the so-called "Wii" sales are really sales of Gamecube/Wii.
>>342467158
They absolutely do. Anything before the 00's is potential dad rock now.
It's only going to get worse, anon. I'm sorry.
>>342468665
00's and 90's rock is fucking garbage though who the fuck cares?
80's rock and metal is far superior, the performers may have looked gay but at least they didn't look like a bunch of fags
>>342457356
Games sved on ssd?
The manufacturing costs should be around ~2$ right?
Is there any flaw to cartridges that cannot be mitigated with current day tech?
>>342458931
Nintendo?
>>342460162
>classifies
>"dad rock"
can't classify something that is hated based on literal daddy issues and "I'm young I'm the best" teenage power trip.
>>342468969
high capacity is stupid slow unless they come up with some new media to put into the cartridge
>>342468969
Good memory with read/write speeds that were acceptable in good quantities (25-50GB, rivaling blu-ray) will not be that cheap. Read-only might be cheaper but it's still going to be more expensive for memory with acceptable performance
>>342468969
>2$
If they use slave workshops in the 3rd world.
I cant imagine direct (material, labor), indirect, fixed, variable, overheads, etc. fitting in $2. Selling & admin costs too plus tax, but if its in cheap labor industries...
>>342469138
Do you have stats?
>>342469318
scroll up
>>342469138
And yeah what is the tipping point?
>>342468216
>So the home console will have an HDD built-in, problem solved.
So at that point you might as well use Bluray if you have to install the games anyway.
>>342462578
Sony was teasing the dual screen thing since the psp came out
>>342459045
You are a stupid fucker.
>>342469360
An actual source please
>>342458931
if it upsets you you deserve to hear it more
>>342458763
games have never been cheaper, retard. You should question your poverty if 70$ seems like a lot to you.
>>342469406
But you can't play blurays on th handheld NX, dummy.
>ITT: People who have no idea what they're talking about
Never change /v/.
>>342461851
Insomniac games is a bit of a whore in that regard eh? Iirc sunset overdrive was xbone exclusive but then they rebooted ratchet and clank for the ps4. It's like if the last of us was an x360 only game
>>342468248
Essentially an internet requirement.
This will ensure Nintendo will be locked to Japan, Europe and North America. And even then there will be large chunks of Europe and North America which won't be able to fetch those patches.
And in addition you wave goodbye to emerging markets like Turkey, Indonesia and other south east asia territories.
>>342470087
What the fuck are you talking about
>>342470207
Read our conversation before you butt in.
>>342460913
This sounds like Nintendo trying to re-invent itself, but as we all know, it's way past its prime and keeps falling flat on its arse
It could be true -- like 5% chance... but this is bullshit through and through
>>342464617
>not owning an air duster
>>342461450
I have no idea how this didn't sell
>cheapest
>2nd most powerful
>literally made to be easy to develop for
>durable so kids don't fucking break it
>best controller of the gen
>actually had 4 man co-op
Well actually I do realize now how it didn't win, forgot about the PS2 being a cheap as fuck DVD player
>>342458072
>What does nintendo gain by begin so secretive
for starters. not fucking tipping Sony and M what are they up to.
many people agree Showing WiiU 18 months before release was a mistake
>>342464134
They'll keep working if you scratch them
>>342458245
>50GB cartridge
single write, by bulk, 3-5$ each
>>342470660
>>cheapest
Are you sure it was?
Maybe you remember wrong, and it was only after some price drops.
>>342458447
>This phrase doesn't mean anything. Stop using it.
>HH Is a handheld, it have the cartridge port etc
>Console is a dock station that have extra power. where you put in the handheld
>>342470919
xbox and ps2 were both $299
gamecube was $199
>>342459164
>doesn't installing get rid of load times anyway?
yes, also install takes time, space from your HDD, and cause is reading the fucking HDD reduces its life spam
>>342470087
Are you retarded?
>>342461416
>Nigga the n64
>cartridges stagnated from 20 years ago tech
you stupid?
>>342471210
Ignoring emerging markets is what retarded.
>>342457356
If they're gonna bring back cartridges, I hope they bring back sweet ass packaging
>>342460941
>3DS still have awful load times
>3DS are toaster hardware wise
geee I wonder why
>>342471248
Do you not know that pretty much every modern game and console has patches you have to download?
>>342471248
Are you assuming these people have no internet or something?
>cartridges, memory cards
This is going to be some Vita level jewing I just know it.
>>342471181
Using the HDD isn't a bad thing.
It serves to lower the loading time, which is its purpose. You might as well say turning on your computer is bad because "it reduces its life span"
>>342471318
Are you one of the retards who blame CPU for the storage transfer speed?
>>342471541
>Have awful load times in games on a shit PC
>Build a good PC but use the same hard drive
>Load times are much much shorter
HMMM.
>>342471323
Not all of them. And most of them will function fine without being patched too.
But you will ignore the emerging market at your own cost. Just don't come and cry and ask why your competitor is dominating those markets in 20 years.
>>342467837
that would be the bomb
it would also be nice if I could just pop my 3ds games into the NX or if n3ds could play sd nx games
my 3ds has served me well, should nx surpass it like that I would happily upgrade
>>342471640
Show me the sales stats in these emerging markets then.
>>342471348
>tfw I want to insult you as a rabid vita fanboy but you're right
>>342471639
Did you measure this in scientific manner, or did your spending give you good enough placebo?
>>342471801
>no actual numbers
lol ok
>>342471890
Just don't cry and ask why Nintendo sucks in the Asia market, okay?
>>342458692
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F07HbfgzpG8
>>342471940
Why should I care about how Nintendo does in the Asia market though? I care about games, not sales.
>>342472031
Because you were roleplaying as a decision maker at Nintendo.
You were arguing for mandatory online installation, and the counter argument was killing your product in emerging markets.
>>342461476
But can you sell the games? a cartridge alone is 50 bucks and only takes 2 or 3 games, it's just cheaper to buy $60 games, and what happens if you delete your games? any way you see it, this is anticonsumer.
if this thing is somehow a HH too. Nintendo is in for a win, cause people will Mandatory buy it for Pokemon and Monters Hunter
and once they have it "I already have it, I might as well also buy Zelda or whatever is on Consoles", and if Nintendo gets 3rd party support, the "I might as well" feeling transmit.
If you add up all HH games and Console Games Nintendo hardware see every year. you can live out of what they give you alone
>>342472169
And you are assuming that they don't have Internet or something?
I don't get this conversation. I will back out
>>342472298
Even americans have metered internet now.
So expensive metered internet around those parts is fair to assume, yes.
>>342472416
>assume
That's pretty racist yo
They don't have money for internet but they have money for games and consoles?
>>342472559
They might have metered internet is what I'm saying.
>>342472251
>paying 300+ for a handheld
no body is this dumb
>>342471721
Yes I measured. What do you think loading times are anyway? You think it's just about accessing the data and that's it? You think all the graphics are just ready to go on the storage and don't have to be generated using the CPU and GPU based on data?
>>342472772
Normally the bottleneck is in transferring from HDD to system ram.
That's why I don't' believe what you're saying. Talk is cheap, especially when it comes from /v/tards.
>>342469159
Maybe they are read only and that's why there's memory cards, that way the memory isn't written on the cartridge.
>>342468664
10/10
I can smell the fedora
