Why is /v/ anti-Shu?
>>342412887
I don't dislike most of Shu. They've got some cool guys on their side.
I just despise Liu Bei, Zhuge Liang, and Guan Yu.
Shu = Hilary Clinton
Because my favorite color is blue.
>>342413602
but green is a better color
>>342413672
best dw girl
>>342412887
TOUCHDOWN
>>342413312
>I just despise Liu Bei, Zhuge Liang, and Guan Yu.
This. The main characters of Shu drag the rest of them down.
Jin has best boy
>>342412887
I Jiang Wei. But I like him better with Wei
I just want my breakdancing Wei Yan from DW4 back.
>>342415986
Yeah, I liked how he lived in the Jin ending.
>>342413312
>Zhuge Liang
Fuck this guy. Wei Yan did nothing wrong.
>>342416525
It's such a shame what they did to him in DW.
>>342416701
Its far to late to change him without negative feed back. People are used to Ooga Booga Chinese man now.
>>342416525
but zhuge liang didn't do anything to him. he just died.
There's a multitude of reasons, and most of them boil down to being able to look past the blatant Shu favoritism on the creators' part.
The first is that Shu's leaders are beyond incompetent. Liu Bei is an indecisive moron that was too busy ranting about "muh benevolence" to do anything meaningful until it was far too late. Guan Yu is completely fucking full of himself, and the shitshow at Fan Castle is easily one of the dumbest moves made by any character. Zhang Fei is a drunken idiot that got killed by his own men. Zhuge Liang is constantly hyped up as a fucking godlike being of infallible intelligence, and yet Shu's greatest victory against Wei was the Battle of Chibi - all of which was actually Wu and Zhou Yu's doing.
The second reason is that all of their talk of benevolence and "winning the hearts of the people" ultimately amounts to absolutely nothing. Shu was the last kingdom to establish itself - and the first to fall by a large margin. For the kingdom constantly heralded as the "good guys" by the story, they do a lot of dumb shit.
The third reason is that Shu has quite a few decent characters, and it sucks knowing that everything they do is wasted on the aforementioned incompetent morons. Zhao Yun, Ma Chao, Xingcai, etc. They're all solid characters that would look so much better in blue or red. At least then they would get to do something other than risking their lives to protect "Liu Bei's Weekly Peasant Train of Running Away From All of Your Problems."
Jin has muh imbeciles and best girl
>>342413672
>>342414862
100% agreed
Cao Cao did nothing wrong
>>342419510
Nobunaga did nothing wrong
>>342412887
Fedoras are against benevolence and heavenly righteousness.
Don't mind me just posting best character from best kingdom in the best game
>>342412887
I'm gonna assume it's because Shu's the most Idealogical of the three factions, and pushed most as the 'most righteous' and 'honorable', so there's probably the largest disconnect between them and their actual selves in history of all three factions.
>>342420078
>'Benevolence'
Look dude if Liu Bei was fighting for the people why the fuck would he extend the conflict by making his faction in turn cost so many more lives? At least Wu and Wei are honest about why they are fighting.
>>342420380
That isn't Sun Jian
>>342420635
>so there's probably the largest disconnect between them and their actual selves in history of all three factions
That's most of it. The writer of the novel was biased toward Shu. The games just roll with it.
Granted some of the noble things in the novel don't exactly hold up by today's standards. Baby spiking and cannibalism aren't exactly noble acts in current year.
>>342420976
Hey you uploaded my image while I was typing this. Have a random RotTK female create a character portrait instead.
>>342421305
I've noticed that the games nowadays have been putting Cao Cao and Wei in a more sympathetic light.
It's a bit refreshing that they aren't just the villain guys.
>>342412887
Because they hate benevolence and the literal god of war.
>>342421472
>literal god of war.
>Does nothing but lose fights.
>Most of his accomplishments at Hu Lao Gate were actually done by Sun Jian.
>Biggest thing of note was he lost Fan Castle and Jing to Wu
Yeah that's God of War material right there. Fucking propaganda.
>>342421464
I've only ever felt like Wei was villanious honestly. But now I just think they're the most badass, actually seeing Xiaho Dun take an arrow to the eye or Dian Wei slaughter niggas was amazing. Wei is patrician though, Shu is for white knights.
>>342421884
Wu*
all the shu girls are so classy
except that bao whore
>read RotK because of DW
>Liu Bei knowingly eats a guy's wife and thanks him for it
>>342412887
>/v/
Try everyone who knows what Shu became.
Luo Guanzhong was even a well-known Shu sympathiser.
Fuck Shu-han, they did nothing right in the end.
>>342422698
Wait what, Liu Bei ate someone? Were they alive when he started?
>>342412887
Because the game is pro-Shu
>>342418952
>>342420078
>>342420635
>>342421305
>>342421464
>>342421472
It's not just the games that favor Shu, it's pretty much every fictional representation of the 3 Kingdoms period that favors Zhuge Liang and Liu Bei.
Shu wasn't just weak and incompetent, historically speaking they were more akin to rebels than Cao Cao. All three kingdoms did pretty bad things but Liu Bei and co. just wandered around for years until they stole Chengdu from another warlord. Cao Cao was technically acting under the authority of the emperor (although he was just a puppet) and Sun Quan established dominance in the east. Both Wei and Wu had peasants in their care and some kind of government system, like actual kingdoms. Liu Bei was just working under various people (including Sun Quan after Chi Bi) and just tried taking the land he was charged with protecting as his own (Jing province for example).
He and his brothers were bandits who got lucky.
>Threadly reminder that the greatest victory Shu ever had was Mt. Ding Jun and that was because of Fa Zheng and Huang Zhong
>Another reminder that Zhuge Liang was useless as a military strategist and that his campaigns were disastrous. Hell even as a prime minister/government official he was pretty bad.
>>342422874
He shows up at a peasant's farm sometime in the first volume. The peasant has nothing to offer him for food, so the farmer kills his wife, cooks her, and presents the meal to Liu Bei, telling him what he has done.
Liu Bei consumes the meal and, overcome with emotion at the magnamity of the farmer's gesture, weeps grateful tears.
Basically, Cao Cao did nothing wrong.
>>342422874
>dude learns liu bei is visiting his village
>oh shit I don't have any meat
>fuck it I'll butcher one of my wives and cook her
>liu bei arrives
>presents the meat, liu bei starts munching it down
>guy suddenly gets a guilty conscious, confesses what he did
>liu bei starts crying tears of joy over their loyalty to him
Yes, this actually happens in the novel.
>>342423087
>>342423395
>BENEVOLENCE
>>342423087
>>342423395
Funny how this event was added into the novel because the author wanted to show how good a man Liu Bei was.
>>342423087
>>342423395
Holy shit, Liu Bei what the fuck.
When do you think will be the reveal of DW9? I don't think that new strategy game was the big reveal they were talking about for this year
>>342423087
>>342423395
Fucking BENEVOLENCE man.
>>342424507
The big reveal was Berserk Musou. I initially thought that we'd have some news after Toukiden 2 is out, at this rate, I don't think DW9 is coming any time soon, at least not until Berserk is out.
>>342424716
I'm pretty hype for berserk but damn that ain't until February.
>Dong Zhou was a "villain"
When will this outdated meme end?
He was a benevolent and kind ruler.
Harsh, but fair.
His greatest mistake was actually trusting his adopted son, Lu Bu.
![2384836-zhang_jiao_dw8[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Tvih0FF.jpg "2384836-zhang_jiao_dw8[1].jpg")
who /yellowturbans/ here?
>>342425189
>Dong Zhuo shitposting on 4chan 1800 years after he died
I'm all about the Wu
>Lu Meng master race
>>342412887
Because Romance of the Three Kingdoms is putrid trash, it's literally revisionist fanfiction
DW makes me feel a sort of empathy for Lu Bu while RoTK made me see him as a pretty pathetic person
How does Koei do it
I'm a Lu Bu man. The greatest warrior in history.
>>342412887
Who are your favorites?
http://dw-sorter.tumblr.com/
>>342425285
The true hero of the Three Kingdoms
>>342424090
Cultural differences and shit.
It's like the touchdown bit where Liu Bei smashes his baby. The Chinese at the time fucking loved it.
Someone post the image of "accurate" Liu Bei with the huge arms
>>342420380
Wu got the best beefcakes really
>>342427214
Why are chinks so fucking insane, holy shit
>>342425189
It's really hard to defend Dong Zhuo
Best thing i could say about him is that he was a competent general
Sun Jian was superior though
If I'm completely new to this series, what movies, games, and books should I get? I see these threads a lot, (often making fun of something to do with "benevolence,") and I'm in the mood for learning some Chinese history/lore. That said, as interested as I am, I'm also poor, so if you got links to cheap copies of this stuff, that'd help. Thank you, /v/.
>>342427386
Play Dynasty Warriors 7 for a very romanticized version of the period.
>>342427386
>Games
Best story mode is objectively Dynasty Warriors 7.
>TV Shows
Look up Romance of Three Kingdoms 2010. It's fantastic
>Books
Obviously a copy of the original Romance of the Three Kingdoms would be your best bet.
>>342427386
just grab the last dynasty warrior, which is DW8, get the xtreme legends version if you can
>>342427386
>TV series
Three Kingdoms 2010 or the old Romance of Three Kingdoms 1994, both can be found on youtube, I believe.
>Games
Either DW5, on the PS2, for better introduction for characters, or DW7, on the PS3, for better storytelling.
>Book
Obviously the novel Romance of Three Kingdoms itself.
And when you're already familliar with the Three Kingdoms, be sure to check out the manhua The Ravages of Time. It's a really good read, but is not very newbie-friendly.
my grandfather was from Shu, so i use them
>>342427354
Well the first cannibalism story is to imply that Liu Bei understands and sympathizes with the common man and to show how the common man perceived Liu Bei as the one who had the power to restore the Emperor and the Mandate of Heaven
The second story is to show how Liu Bei isn't one that cares about his son over his generals. To show that he isn't one to fall into Nepotism and that he values his best soldiers, followers and meritocracy
>>342427913
>To show that he isn't one to fall into Nepotism and that he values his best soldiers, followers and meritocracy
But when Cao Cao does it he's evil.
>>342427214
>>342413312
I'll never understand the Chinese's obsession with spitting and coughing blood. It's in every fucking form of media.
>>342428017
I don't remember Cao Cao "good eye for talent" being seen in negative light.
Also to be fair, Cao Cao did employ tons of cousins and uncles in his service
>>342428121
lel, what the hell is that?
Anybody got a Torrent for the complete series of the Live Action Show?
I heard its pretty fucking good
>>342428312
Look up Liu Bei`s description in the romance Three Kingdoms.
>>342428121
Thanks m8
>>342428240
It's kinda similar to the Japanese over "hair turns white under extreme stress", it's just a common trope to show a character being infruriated.
>>342428706
I get that, but that someone literally starts coughing blood and fainting is so ridiculously far fetched to me.
>>342422251
Bao is despicable. Guan Suo should slap that bitch around a bit to get her to shut the fuck up. Too bad he`s a fucking fuccboi.
>>342412887
It has nothing better to shitpost about, so it picked up the old LOL MORALFAGS meme and gave it a twist, and off we went.
Everyone in that conflict were either a bunch of shitters, or a bunch of saviors, depending on perspective. You can see /v/'s colors though, when it's constantly shitting on shu, but glorifying edgelords like cao cao, and deifying zhang "shot in the dick like a bitch" liao.
>>342428818
It kinda works in these things since pretty much everyone who didn`t die from murder died from some lung or stomach shit.
>>342429368
Don't talk shit about zhang Liao faggot
>>342429368
>Calling out Shu
>Shitposting
Shufag pls leave
>>342426868
>http://dw-sorter.tumblr.com/
Top and Worst 10
>>342423017
>Fa Zheng
Based character and best Shu strategist.
>>342429758
Fuck his rug weapon though
>>342429682
>Those lowest 10
Did not expect some of those, specifically Zhang Jiao, Yuan Shao and Zhang Chunhua. Figured I was one of the only Zhang He fans though.
>>342429682
>Zhang Jiao that low
Fucking heretics
>>342426580
But can he beatMadara Uchiha?
>>342430056
Oh woops, thought that was an actual poll, not personal opinion.
>>342421728
If I go to china everyone will have statues of the Guanster not Sun "dies in the second level" Jian.
>>342427552
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>>342430056
>Zhang He
mein negro
I am pro Shu because I want to marry Xing Cai.
>>342431291
He manages to get a little gayer every game. Every time I think he's reached peak gay he manages to one up himself.
Sun Ce is the greatest character
Prove me wrong
>>342431630
What is there to dislike with Sun Ce?
>Play SW4E
>Keep wanting to play NA:SoI
>Play NA:SoI
>Keep wanting to play SW4E
ROTK13 really can't come soon enough so I can have an actual new game to play with.
>>342426868
>>342431780
He's an obnoxious dudebro, much like 80% of Wu cast.
>>342426868
Zhang Liao is so god damn strong in 7 and 8. I didn't realize how cool he was until then
>>342426502
you wanna feel empathy for Lu Bu? Try Ravages of Time.
>>342431545
I miss the less-than-sparkling murderer from 3. They are really making him gayer and it's getting to be too much. Those fucking OP combos and dank claws tho.
>>342431741
Couldn't pick someone for 80?
>>342429368
>2016
>Still Shuposting
Zhou Tai and his dash canceling off his instant jumping light attack is so fucking fun.
>>342433193
That just means I don't care enough about those shitters. Fuck those obnoxious old men.
>>342433687
Careful. I broke the Y and B buttons on my 360 controller doing that.
>>342418952
Jesus christ her eyes are fucked
>>342433725
I know, but one of those squares are empty.
The basara guys should do 3 kingdoms. Or at least bring over basara. I find those games much more fun, but I'm a dmc fan.
>>342412887
I don't even know what benevolence means
>>342412887
Because romanticized Shu is different from the real Shu, so people want to be as contrarian as possible and keep pointing out how different they are to sound smart.
>I like the Shu faction in Musou.
>Yeah, well they're very different from real life, you know! Shu wasn't some noble clan like it's portrayed in the games!
>So? I just like the characters and the color green.
>>342416701
And this is why he was a fucking retard and wrecked shu. Way to go Lu Bei you fucking mook
>>342431741
Mah Yueying nigga.
>>342412887
I love Shu, but that is probably solely due to your pic
Zhao Yun is mah nigga desu
>>342434782
>Neither does Shu
Let's settle it
http://www.strawpoll.me/10560431
>>342435226
Enjoy
>>342435726
Those stupid fucks, why they made a pathway for him in the first place
>>342435853
Cause
>1
Chinese rank and file weren't the brightest.
>2
Whenever big Shu names like Zhao Yun or Zhang Fei come onto the field in that show it turns into a low budget musou game for them.
>>342426868
I can't say I really dislike anyone, I guess I just don't know much about them. I really don't like most of the girls in this game. Nice eye candy, but I don't like their voices or I just think their motivations don't make sense
Backstabbing fagets
Wu is the manliest.
When will they put out a remaster or HD collection? I just want to play DW3 or 4 on the PS4. Even a ported version would make me happy but Sony is being so fucking slow about adding new shit on it.
>>342413312
That show did everything in its power to make Liu Bei, Zhang Fei, and Guan Yu look like a bunch of ineffectual assholes.
Must be some sort of cultural differences since they revere Guan Yu as some sort of deity while viewing the pragmatic Cao Cao as some sort of monster.
>>342416701
>.gif
>>342426868
Oh lord this is going to take forever
>>342412887
I like Shu because Zhao Yun is my favorite character
I started with wei yan and it was the best thing in my life
>>342431780
>What is there to dislike with Sun Ce?
He married Waifu Qiao
>>342436664
Is that supposed to be cao cao? The fuck did he throw the baby for?
>>342429625
HAS
>>342437275
Relax. He followed in his father's footsteps of only being alive for like 5 seconds so your waifu was probably untouched.
>>342437489
It's Liu Bei
>>342437489
>Cao Cao
That's Liu Bei.
>>342437489
>not reading the filename
>>342437605
>your waifu was probably untouched.
Da Qiao and Sun Ce had children. Their daughter married Lu Xun.
A lot of people died from getting salty in this period.
>>342437489
Zhao Yun goes into enemy lines and rescue Liu Bei's infant son. Also his wife but she kills herself to allow Zhao Yun and the baby to escape
When he gets back to Liu Bei and Liu Bei learns what happened he throws the baby in the ground because that baby almost cost his best general.
The idea is that he could have another son anytime, but losing a general like Zhao Yun is a loss far too grandDepending which story you read, the baby grows retarded and ruins Shu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQK3pw5c1hY
God this cutscene is so good.
DW7 really had the best story mode of the series
>>342439546
To be fair the idea itself isn't necessarily wrong, at least for the time and situation the event took place. Liu Bei just handled it in the worst way possible.
>>342426868
DW8E made me love Lianshi but I can't believe they did that to Yueying
Rest of the changes were okay
What's the best Empires in the series? I remember playing Empires 6 or 7, not sure which, and it sucked hard compared to 5.
>>342440245
Yeah getting rid of her Dagger-Axe in DW8 Empires was a crime.So I made it our daughter's EX Weapon.
>>342440202
I mean this is seen as a awful move for us, but this was for centuries seen as a great move by Liu Bei.
China had(or has) a very different way of thinking compared to what we have nowadays.
I don't want to sound like a casual butI'd love a Dynasty Warriors rip-off set in Europe during WW1.
INCOMING GOOD TASTE
Don't know how Kongming got so high but the rest check out.
>>342440721
I don't know, i don't think WW1 is the best setting for this kind of game
>>342423087
But Cao Cao rewarded that same farmer for helping Liu Bei in his time of need
>>342425285
Yellow Turbans would have won if their plans didn't leak out and they had a few more years to prepare. It's not fair.
>>342429368
>shit talking Zhang Liao
Actually good quality bait
>>342431780
He died too early
>>342439546
>>342440202
The problem is that Liu Bei never changed who would take over once he died and he killed his actually competent adopted son because he was mad that he didn't go to help Guan Yu(whether or not he could help is another story since he reported he was being attacked)
>>342437590
LONG
Best girls are indisputably Zhurong and Wang Yi
>>342426868
most liked
>>342442257
>>342426868
least liked
Keep in mind I haven't really played as some of these
>>342437590
BENEVOLENCE
>tfw Zhou Yu died too early
shit man I even read about him in my middle school chinese textbooks
ZhugeDan__a best.
>>342420380
>if Wei has Zhang Liao, Wu has Gan Ning
What did he mean by this? Was GN really ZL tier?
Was there anyone more righteous than Zhang Jiao?
help
I'm also forcing myself to not pick middle man responses
>>342443374
They were both blitzkrieg attackers.
>>342443461
Zhuge Liang a shit.
>>342443461
Zhou Yu dude.
See
>>342437226
>>342443434
No fellow turban
>>342426868
I think I broke it.
>>342443893
>Mr. Dong Dong that high
how
>>342443461
One of these guys won the greatest victory Wu ever had and the other took the credit for it because he forecast the fucking weather.
>>342443974
I only preferred him like twice or three times. Daqiao and Diaochan only came up like once. I think I hit no opinion and i like both too many times and it rocketed them to the top.
