Let's settle this.
Which one is better, tank or mech?
>>342380345
as long as its not a hover craft tank, walker.
mobility > speed
>>342380345
let's see which is better;
>tank,a military vehicle with artillery grade firepower & can go at high speeds
>mech, a walking tank that has better firepower than a tank & has better mobility
>reality
tank
>videogames
mechs are for weeb children, tanks are for grown ups
>>342381317
>mech
>has better firepower than a tank
>has better mobility
Source?
>>342381567
not him but if you question the mobility part, Im sure you dont understand why we walk on 2 legs then aswell.
>>342380345
Tank, since it's
>faster
>cheaper
>easier to mass produce
>higher cost-to-efficiency ratio
>>342381705
Why do we prefer to use vehicles instead of our own legs then?
check mate, atheist
>>342381705
You walk faster than wheels?
Tank beats Mech, but Mech does what a Tank do, but better except Anti-Armor.
>>342381909
>mobility means speed
uh
>>342381878
>Why do we prefer to use vehicles instead of our own legs then?
Spot the amerilad :^)
>>342381745
>easier to mass produce
This part wins wars. This is the reason why soviet tanks beat german tanks in WWII.
>>342382113
And the fact that they were under supplied.
And the russian winter.
And the whole with fighting at multiple borders at once.Who am I kidding, fucking t34
Assuming we talking about real life and not just bf2142 gameplay
the walker would essentially trade mobility for durability. it wouldn't take an absurdly powerful weapon to damage a joint of either leg, rendering the whole thing immobile.
And when I say mobility, that's all it is, mobility. The ability to traverse steeper, uneven terrains. We're definitely not talking about speed here, something regular tanks would be much better at.
Source : I graduated top of my class of the Bullshit Officer Training School of the Faketown USMC Military Base.
>>342380345
Mechs could have some use in crowd control and urban warfare and maybe some role in horrible terrain, but tank is just more robust, less complicated concept with less change to get fucked up by over engineering.
Or maybe this whole question is a trick?
I'll answer tank that transforms to a mech.
And what about the civilian vehicles?
>>342382465
These things are amazing, shame its hard to try it if you dont have a friend/company with one.
>>342381745
Tanks were none of those things when they were first introduced in World War 1, so thinking that a mecha will be any of that at the start is stupidity.
>>342381317
>mech, a walking tank
>>342382452
>it wouldn't take an absurdly powerful weapon to damage a joint of either leg, rendering the whole thing immobile
Same thing with hitting a tank on the treads, yet everyone is willing to overlook that part.
>>342383048
The exposed part of modern tank treads offers much less area than two big T H I C K walker legs
>>342383048
Break a tread, the tank is stopped, maybe. It can also still shoot.
Break a mechs leg, it falls on its face and is useless
>RL
tank, the idea of walker is absurd
>vidya
walkers all the way
>>342383048
If a tank loses a thread, you've got a bunker until it's safe enough to go outside and repair it. If a mech loses a leg, it's a pile of scrap once it hits the ground.
>>342382912
>Treads are for bad roads
Yeah just look how German tanks could easily travel along the eastern front
Fucking Kojima
>>342383310
it loses it big selling point if being a a heavy mobile firepower. Might as well use artillery instead
>>342380345
Power armour beats both
If both have the same tonnage, the tank would win hands down as long as the mech can't jump.
The only mechs that would actually be superior to tanks would be basically giant super acrobatic humans like Jehuty or Snufflesophacus.
youre a fucking mongoloid autist if you think the answer isnt tank
>>342383571
Mud and swamps is bad news for anything that doesn't fly. Even Genghis Khan had to detour because of it.
>>342383810
That's a big tank
>>342380345
Tanks were better in 2142 so...
>>342384258
For the Emperor nothing but the best.
Also that's a scout tank.
>>342384236
Still doesn't change the fact that Kojima should pick up a book or two.
>>342380345
why was BF2142 the best battlefield
>>342384415
I said "that's a big tank"
Walkers would be better in certain situations but honestly a tank walker hybrid would be more feesable than a tank.
>>342384303
Imagine being a human and eating that shell right in your leg
>>342384476
You know it, big is best.
>>342384690
I wanted my "for you" you prick
fucking asshole robbed me of a meme.
>>342384690
get this hothead out of here
>>342384783
Hehehe.
>>342380345
>tank or mech?
The holy union known as Spidertank is the master race.
>>342384438
>walkers
>hover tanks
>great guns
>launch pods
>TITAN MODE
>last great FPS of the golden age of PC games
BF2142 was nearly perfect.
>>342384783
He is an hero to us all
Well. An Armored core from for answer could beat any tank in any game. So my answer is mech.
>>342385023
I don't know how bf4 is but I couldn't stand bf3's netcode and bazillions weapons that mostly feel the same.
Just give me a few, wildly different but solid weapons with little customization per loadout and I'm good.
>>342385023
Yet they refuse to make another. They just go backwards in time hoping everyone likes it.
>>342385290
>I don't know how bf4 is but I couldn't stand bf3's netcode and bazillions weapons that mostly feel the same.
You would hate BF4 then. There are so many fucking more guns it's retarded. Yet people only use a select few.
>>342382896
Tanks were still better at their job than the conventional ground AFV of the time, the armored car.
That's why they built and used them. Because right from day 1 they were better than what they already had at the task they needed doing.
If a mech can't compete with normal vehicles at some niche right out of the gate, they'll never be made.
Assuming every problem with real life mechs are solved, I'd say mechs. Mechs have a better view of the battlefield, they could probably carry more specialized weapons than tanks can, they're more imposing to enemy forces.
But drones beat them both, so it's not really a question anymore.
>Which one is better
When it comes to real life warfare, tank. Mechs don't even exist IRL, excepting the Kurata.
When it comes to videogame fun, mech. Tanks can only roll and shoot. Mechs can jump, fly, shoot, melee, which makes gameplay more varied.
It ain't that hard, man.
>>342386002
What about a drone tank controlling a mech?
>>342386215
It's like you haven't even watched Gundam Wing. They lose to teenagers every time.
>>342386536
Okay, what about a teenager in a mech controlling a tank in a mech?
>>342382359
t-34 was an unreliable piece of low-budget shit designed for blind 3 foot tall soviet mole men.
fun fact: the only half way decent tank in WW2 was the Sherman. this is an objective fun fact.
>>342386002
>Mechs have a better view of the battlefield
install periscope, get all the advantages of being tall with none of the drawbacks. 99% of the time, you want to be short when people are shooting at you.
>they could probably carry more specialized weapons than tanks can
Why? There are tanks with regular cannons, autocannon, missile launchers, machine guns, hell, even a few with all of those at the same time.
Most just come with a big cannon and machine guns because those have been tried and true optimal "take all comers" weapons. a big cannon can penetrate just about any armor, and can have a variety of shells for different purposes, while a machine gun can kill anything not worth throwing a cannon shell at.
>>342386667
No. Gundam Wing made it clear that in order to have a warrior's spirit you have to be risking your life and if you don't have a warrior spirit you'll never beat someone that does.
Somebody post that one anime webm where a squad of tanks shoots down like three or four mechs down from the sky like it's nothing.
>>342380345
Tank
>cheap to mass produce in comparison to mechs
>not as versatile armament wise but can be easily fitted for the situation
>generally faster on terrain
>tech is fully understood and is easy to repair and maintain in relation to mechs
Mech
>lots more options for weaponry due to "slots"
>lots of complicated moving parts that would require a lot more maintenance
>legs are a critical weakness
>better at navigating uneven terrain
>should be generally slower threads>feet
>would very likely be cost prohibitve
Mechs are cool but are generally impractical in real life, in a real war scenario it would just get swarmed by anti armor tanks/infantry and vehicles and be a huge fire magnet for aircraft
tanks are a smooth ride anon.
Imagine the extra effort that has to go into a mech just to make sure it doesn't disorientate and/or kill it's pilot by just walking.
>>342383810
>Mechs would lose because they can't jump
>>342385004
How did that tank manage to shoot straight down?
>>342387508
>pilot in the head
>mech trips
>pilot is now a pancake on the windscreen
>>342385023
You forgot these.
And the Baur is still the most awesome AR ever conceived.
>>342387685
/thread
>>342387297
>due to "slots"
>cheap to mass produce in comparison to mechs
I don't see why these couldn't apply to either.
Really this debate is just legs vs. treads, rather than mechs vs. tanks.
>>342387297
>tanks
>not as versatile armament wise
what the fuck are you putting on a mech that can't be put on a tank?
>better at navigating uneven terrain
based on what? tanks can't trip over themselves, roll an ankle, or sink 4 meters into the ground because your 200,000 ton mech only has 2 teenie weenie feet to disperse all that weight.
>>342386683
>the only half way decent tank in WW2 was the Sherman.
If you like being on fire.
>>342387685
Pray tell, what is this from?
Thanks in advance.
>>342388057
>what the fuck are you putting on a mech that can't be put on a tank?
A sword!
>>342388087
early war shermans caught fire at the same rate as everyone else, and mid-late war shermans rarely caught fire ever.
>what is wet ammo storage
>MFW Empire lost AT-AT's to some cheap Rebel shit airspeeders with tow cables
>>342385004
Fucking amazing. Got any more?
We all know giant mechs are not viable
but how about power armor?
Battletech makes Mechs practical, but in the setting the scale is fucking huge (transporting 12 mechs and pilots is easier than shipping an army through space), and the mechs themselves are the only platforms large enough to tote around the fusion generators that power them (which means they get way bigger and nastier energy weapons than conventional vehicles).
But yeah beyond that mechs don't really confer a lot of tactical advantage if we're talking real warfare.
>>342388425
why did the AT-AT armor stop working when they face planted?
>>342387853
I mean I could post a clip of a dude in armored core wiping out entire platoons of shitty tanks.
>>342386683
>t-34 was an unreliable piece of low-budget shit designed for blind 3 foot tall soviet mole men.
Yes and see how that worked out.
>>342388249
>implications
>>342388485
Power armor where we're actually going.
Over the history of modern war, more and more money has been spent on each individual soldier, and the death rates of individual soldiers have dropped accordingly. It is mind-blowing to me that if a single soldier dies overseas, we hear about it on the news.
There's already powered exoskeletons being developed to assist soldiers with heavy lifting. Actual power armor will arrive eventually.
>>342388734
DRIVE ME CLOSER
I WANT TO HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD
>>342388710
>early soviet eugenics program to rid the motherland of manlets
truly stalin was ahead of his time.
>>342388610
AC possess a fictional thing called primal armor and assault armor.
why put primal armor on a mech if you can use it on a tank too
>>342388832
>Actual power armor will arrive eventually.
But it won't be like anything in video game though.
Tanks are better in almost every single way
But mechs have rule of cool.
>>342388995
Only Armored Cores are good enough to harness Kojima particle thingamajig.
>>342388832
just imagine when we get something like this shooting something like a rail gun at tanks and other armored vehicles
>>342388995
The reactors are big enough that it's more practical to just make a mech. A tank would have to fly to be practical in that universe anyway with the speed things move at.
>>342389157
>like a rail gun
Dont we already have Railguns but uneconomical as fuck?
>>342389274
We do, we just havent figured out how to make them stop melting the barrels after three shots.
>>342380345
Tanks are better, mechs are cooler
/thread
>>342384424
Doesn't change the fact treads are good for bad roads.
>>342388057
>what the fuck are you putting on a mech that can't be put on a tank?
unless were talking about baneblades or some other fictional tanks,modern tanks typically have 1 main gun a combination of mg's maybe a missle or rocket system
of course you can mount similar weapons to tanks but if we go by some mechwarrior designs you can put basically everything on a mech
also should have clarified, uneven terrain as in mountainous and very rocky
I'm not favoring mechs here tanks are the objectively better choice
>>342389358
>>342389274
ace combat chandelier when?
>>342389274
i heard the US does but its nothing amazing...
like they were able to achieve the same results with traditional gunpower guns (hard to belive imo)
A mech would lose in a match of Panzerfahren.
>>342384667
Hydrodynamics says "what leg?" and then some.
>>342389489
its the anon with terrible taste, hows it going shit taste anon?
>>342389489
that is the most retarded thing I have ever seen. And I've seen a lot of anime.
>stalker exos here we come
cant wait
>>342389489
>tank drifting without losing speed
WHAT THE FUCK?
>FUN
mech
>REALISM
tank
there's nothing wrong with both, my little anons.
Mecha all the way bitches.
>>342389203
>Not making tanks that fly
>>342389157
>I are sirius squad
>this are sirius thread
>>342387885
>I don't see why these couldn't apply to either.
imagine just how much maintenance a several meter tall walker would need, the costs of developing a reliable computer system for navigation and movement, the power source that it would to need not to mention how easy it would be to bring down compared to a bunker on wheels as cool as they are they would be highly impractical as you said legs vs treads mechs are technically just walking tanks
>>342389671
You're right. Mechs would be completely outclassed.
about the railgun problem
"The Navy’s futuristic electric cannon, or railgun, received yet more hype this week for its ability to fire a shell at up to 5,600 miles per hour, and do it far more cheaply than a missile. But there’s a daunting reality behind the hype: the Pentagon is already looking past the railgun to a less power-intensive, more easily deployable alternative. The railgun rounds can be fired from more conventional cannons, giving the same capability sooner and cheaper."
>http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2016/06/04/Navy-Abandoning-Railgun
Mechs under 11ft>Tanks>Mechs over 11ft
>>342380345
Mechas are cooler and therefore the best.
>>342389397
You can put all our weapon systems on trucks or tank/tread bodies. It is a concept of Zerg. Lose one, only lose one weapon. Lose a mech and just go fuck yourself right off planetside.
The mech argument has a real shot in hell of working when it isn't trying to compete against tanks but instead is playing some heavy infantry variant.
But we all knew that.
>>342383810
Why is that image so fucking blurry you cunt
>>342380345
To wreck a mech you need only disable legs, if it falls it is pretty much useless.
Tank can be still deadly without any mobility.
>>342390019
>The railgun rounds can be fired from more conventional cannons, giving the same capability sooner and cheaper."
What. I thought railgun rounds are just chunks of metal you accelerate, because thats all you need to hit through armor.
>>342390279
>disable canon
>what now
>>342390405
Im going to drive closer and hit you with my sword
>>342390405
>>disable canon
>>what now
Well now only fanfic remains.
>>342380345
In fiction, anything can be anything, so the question is nonsensical in that context.
In reality, bipedal multistory mechs would be unable to walk at all, so the answer is obvious.
>>342390405
We become pillbox.
>>342390643
>this is all gone forever
>now we have WW1 with muslim women war leaders wielding swords and fighting together with literal niggers
Thank you Sweden.
For Ishtar you gaylords!
>>342390405
>>342390860
We can still transport troops/supplies.
If we're talking in real life, I'd take a tank over a Walker anytime of the day.
Shit's just ain't reliable, let alone be possible, and let's not talk about Japanese-type mecha.
>It is a concept of Zerg.
that's why I said mech's were impractical, they'd just get swarmed and the cost of replacing one is cost prohibitve
>>342391001
You äre Welcöm :^)
METAL GEAR
>>342391428
The tanks are the zerg. The mecha is the lone protoss warrior who's human bro will fucking forget about the first chance he gets at railing his murderer.
>>342389978
I'm not one to go mad over the shit you see in anime but this one is pushing it.
>>342391908
It's fun.
>>342392040
I still haven't seen the movie yet.
>>342380345
If you ever choose mechs, you're a fucking retard. Name one (1) fucking setting with mechs that does not require some hamfisted "science" to make them viable. Whenever mechs appear in fiction and are better than tanks it's thanks to having some "totally not magic guys, I swear" superscience that for some fucking reason can't be applied to tanks/airplanes. It's disgusting
>>342392040
PHYSICS
>>342392709
WHAT THE FUCK ARE THOSE
>>342392040
Hahahahaha holy fuck
>>342390643
>that intro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk4wEAO07hM
>>342380345
a mechtank
or a tankmech
>>342388593
Reactor was destabilized. Ion shots from. The speeder caused an electric discharge inside the AT-AT hull that caused the explosion.
Real question is why Rebel troops were running towards it when it could have just shat troops out at them, and they were supposed to be in full retreat.
>>342392040
I heard this is based on a real life battle too, apparently this was used once?
>>342392040
>>342389978
>>342389489
two nukes weren't enough.
>>342392871
He wanted to loot the corpses? Get a kill with his knife?
>>342392796
best version of the theme
>>342392618
BWWAAAAAAAA!!!
>>342392901
Don't be stupid, anon. It's just a cartoon.
>>342393057
Nah, /pol/ would have sided with Japan simply because Japan was allied with the Germans.
>>342392618
Good luck fighting in space with tanks.
>>342393069
>exoskeleton
>doesn't even protect the squishy parts
Gee wiz, what could possibly go wrong?
Tanks can come in a various amount of sizes and shapes, a mech has to walk, so mechs.
>>342393221
See the part about magic
>>342393208
/pol/ hates anime
How many moving parts must a mech have? Like 10s of thousands right?
How many moving parts does a tank need? 3
The two tracks and the turret.
This is why tanks will always be better.
>>342393221
>Says earthnoid's souls are weighed down by gravity
>puts legs on their space fighters
zeon, ladies and gentlemen.
also
>>342389921
>>342393128
Watched it a few days ago, great movie.
>>342393591
>puts legs on their space fighters
Heard you talking shit.
>>342392796
>todays gamers would find it too hard to understand and complete all the objectives necessary to destroy a titan in 2142
i play dirty bomb occasionally and god damn some people just cannot comprehend specific objectives short of "kill the other team"
>>342393498
>/pol/ hates anime
>twitter world now associates anime with Trump thanks to /pol/
>>342392040
>People believe 100% this is what tanks do
Hahahahahah holy fucking shit anime can be cancer sometimes hahahahah this is fucking embarassing what the fuck holy shit ahahhahahahah
>>342393893
>the anime meme candidate is now Trump
Where has the time gone? Hold me, lads
>>342392796
>you will never re-live the glory days of PC gaming
RIP 00s
>>342393221
He said no hamfisted "science"
The only reason mobile suits in gundam are viable is due to minovsky particles
>>342393892
I miss those pro ass teams you get in 2142.
The moment of seeing a Titan's shields go down they are in and busting generators.
Then the glorious escape.
>>342393591
It's for extra mobility.
Legs serve as directional thrusters.
multiple crewmen > single pilot
>>342394329
two pilot mecha is a deal breaker for me
literally makes me want to shit
I prefer tank over mecha because inside tanks, there is something mecha don't have.Friends.
If we ever get mechs then I think they'd probably be slightly larger then human sized with a focus on mobility. Something like the Walker Gears in MGSV or Bastion in Overwatch. They'd be used for urban combat, clearing rooms and enclosed spaces where it'd be dangerous or impossible for the enemy to take them out. Right now room clearing pretty much guarantees that the first man in is going to get shot, hopefully in the plate and not the face. If they sent in a hunk of steel with a few guns on it and the ability to deal with stairs and obstacles, then the terrorists would have little they could do against it. Cant use anti tank weapons in an enclosed space unless you want to kill everybody or at least receive horrible blast injuries, and from the stuff Boston Dynamics has been showing us it looks like tripping or knocking over one of these would be pretty hard. Maybe if they had some very heavy gun in there that could pierce the armor and hit something vital, but the military is really good at redundancy and bulletproofing.
>>342394439
Your mecha is the only friend you need.
>>342392040
Who watches this shit
I'm serious
Even kids would find this embarrassing
>>342387621
See how the clouds are sideways in the first scene? It's firing upwards.
Hint: From the top corner, the "A" in "MACS" stands for "artillery".
>>342394428
>>342394561
>have giant walking machine of destruction
>have it manned by only one faggot
Plebes get out
>>342394238
>camp gibralter
>attackers stuck at the usual spot in front of the wall
>that one glorious bastard of a squad leader who could get behind enemy lines, lay down a squad beacon, take a flag, and completely break the stalemate
being a squad leader is too much pressure for me
>>342394428
unfortunately its objectively superior but way less cool
>>342394837
too big
>>342388832
You can buy civilian versions of that thing for like four or five grand over in Asia. They can curl a hundred pounds, though Im not sure if thats per arm or not, just on the motor. Also have a three hour battery life. So with some dosh and a welding torch you could make some clunky power armor right now.
>>342394714
Weebs
>>342393807
Wasn't it going to have legs, but they ran out of time and cashmoney?
>>342394267
You know what else serves as directional thrusters?
Directional thrusters.
>>342394895
FOR YOUr mom maybe
>>342389456
They have one that can shoot something like 17 miles from 0 elevation. Its pretty new, and is still goddamn enormous.
>>342394949
DELETE THIS
>>342394837
Hello again Warhammer. Thanks for making Anime look reasonable you fucks.
I wonder if mechas would get stuck in glorious Soviet mud
>>342380345
Mechs are cooler, tanks are more practical.
>>342394714
More realistic than giant robots flying around.
>>342395372
Get fucked weeaboos
>>342389978
>Kay takes it three-way
I ain't even mad.
>>342394837
>tfw cant tell if satire or an actual thing
fucking 40k
>>342380345
Tanks are real, so I'll go with whatever actually exists.
>>342394865
>Way in the back of Camp Gibraltar
>Just me and some other chump
>We're not even in the same squad
>Suddenly entire enemy squad seems to materialize out of thin air
>We cover each over even pulling off moves that make those slow-mo moments of Army of Two look like easy shit
>At the end 10 enemies lie dead
>Just look at each other
>Nod
>And keep going
It was fucking surreal.
>>342380345
Tanks. Mechs the way we think of them are the dumbest idea ever. They are essentially easier to hit tanks that are nowhere near as maneuverable that also cost a lot more. A mech may potentially have better mobility, but again only on a more standard ground environment. What a fucking waste.
BUT, mechs exist in this day and age in things like drones. Why make a thing with fucking legs when it not having legs will make it that much better? Like I understand why arms so it can carry stuff, but legs are the dumbest fucking thing. Robots are fucking robots the more human you try to make it the more impractical it becomes and the weaker it is at its primary function.
>>342382359
>And the whole with fighting at multiple borders at once.
The russians was beating the Germans way before D-day. Unless you count the fight in north africa.
Tanks are basically mechs that actually work.
>>342395575
>mechs
>cool
>>342395452
>bourgeios western extravagance
>russian roads
What do you think?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DljgSrTbNE
>>342380345
Mechs should have aircraft tier mobility to have a true role.
I don't understand this obsession in trying to compare them with tanks.
Do you compare tanks with aircrafts? Their roles are completely different
>>342394086
>Hahahahahah holy fucking shit anime can be cancer sometimes hahahahah this is fucking embarassing what the fuck holy shit ahahhahahahah
Jesus fucking Christ
>>342386683
>fun fact: the only half way decent tank in WW2 was the Sherman
t. history pro
Someone give me some good tank games
I'm sick and tired of having to play for a month to unlock a single tank without paying in War Thunder
>>342395985
What's mech role then?
>>342395783
I think power armor/walker mechs ala Lost Planet 2 would be useful for dense areas such as jungles and cities. Maybe you can make a case for underwater combat but that's unlikely going to be useful. Other than that tanks and other traditional military vehicles will do the job.
>>342385004
>That pinpoint accuracy on the guard tower
Fucking Christ I'd hate to be infantry in this day and age.
>>342395618
Should I have said you make DC comics look reasonable instead? Cause you're that shit. Bottom of the barrel trash.
>>342394837
>Not posting best traitor titan that made Collegia Titanica shit bricks n lose most of titan battlegroups,literally forcing them to kamikaze tactic.
>>342395830
Don't you greentext me slut, mechs are practically the definition of cool
>Those Girls&Panzer webm
What the fuck I don't remember the series being this awesome
>>342381705
I'd really like to see wheels evolve.
>>342396264
Being in a tank isn't much more fun when you take a look at high-end AT equipment.
At least you can hide as infantry but everyone wants your ass dead when you're in a tincan
>>342380345
Tanks are practical and cool.
Mechs are fucking cool.
Rule of cool is stronger than realism in fiction.
>>342396337
Stay mad faglord
>>342396353
>>342396529
>mechs are cool
"no"
>>342396472
Yup, a tank is basically a mobile coffin if you're up against half-decent forces.
Zoids are the most realistic futuristic mecha the human body is flawed
>>342380345
Mech can carry a giant Katana.
Mech > Tank
Now they need to make a tank with a Katana gun, and it spins its turret real fast and slices other tanks and mechs in half. Only way to make tanks better.
>>342396548
Calm down.
>Only recent tank games are F2P multiplayer only garbage
>pretty much no recent mech games
>Space sims still dead, and the people trying to revive them keep trying to make massively multiplayer online only universe simulation shit like E:D and Scam Citizen.
niggas please. I may be autistic enough to want those genres, but I ain't autistic enough for this shit. Give me missions with customizable loadouts and I'll be happy.
>>342396652
It'll take more than that, chummer.
Tanks, easily.
Playing Armored Warfare, the highest tier tanks have shit like 1000mm of fucking penetration from KILOMETERS away. What in the sweet fuck.
Also, they can fire goddamn missiles, thermobaric rounds, etc...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wj1b8wh2Ul4
>Tanks are death traps
The US has never lost a modern battle tank.
>anything but battleships
Air superiority was a mistake, we have to turn back time
>>342396896
>That poor dummy at 0:15
Did they have to fire it at his crotch?
>>342396916
>1st world country curbstomping insurgents and bumfuck 3rd worlders for the past 3 decades
I'm an American too man but that's just a dumb argument.
>>342395452
You'd need a lot of mud for that.
>>342395830
>western extravagance
But they are eastern Ivan
>>342393221
>FZ
Ah, hamburger grade.
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>>342396201
Slow mechs are basically retarded and tanks can fill the same role as them, yes.
Mechs flying at twice the speed of sound while having the ability to stop midair or even land on any type of place is a completely different beast and tanks would have no chance in hell against them.
Before starting this kind of thread OP should at least specify what kind of mech he means.
>>342396916
>The US has never lost a modern battle tank.
>>342396916
The U.S. isn't the only country operating tanks.
>>342396924
Yeah, battleships should come back so they can get raped by fucking ballistic missiles. We're already outfitting destroyers with railguns. We don't need battleships.
>>342396652
Are you some kind of favela child, who grew up not knowing the joy of robot fights?
I'm sad for you honestly
>>342397065
>Mechs flying at twice the speed of sound while having the ability to stop midair or even land on any type of place is a completely different beast and tanks would have no chance in hell against them.
Yeah, but if your mechs can do that, why wouldn't your tanks not be able to do the same? That's always the argument with mecha shows, if the mech has bullshit super-advanced tech, then why don#t the other weapon systems as well?
>>342397275
>wasting ballistic missiles on battleships when you can just fuck them up with a plane
>>342397275
>>342397465
>Yeah, battleships should come back so they can get raped by fucking ballistic missiles
Did you read even a single word of what I wrote?
>>342397456
>#
Geh ins Bett, Bernd
Aircraft.
>>342390351
>>342390019
I thought one of the main attractions of naval railguns was that you don't need to haul around a magazine of potentially self-destructive shells.
What's the point of firing them conventionally then?
>Tanks vs Mechs
Mechs should only fight other Mechs
>>342396472
In a city, a tank is a deathtrap, sure.
But in a city, being infantry is a death sentence. Infantry take higher percentage losses than armor in cities. Having armor on your side in urban combat dramatically increases the survival rate of infantry.
A tank can basically lock down an entire street in front of it, with relatively little to fear from man portable weapons. To engage it, the enemy has to get to it's sides or rear or top. Urban terrain makes that very easy to do when vehicles are driving around unsupported, but when moving slowly with the infantry, it makes enemy moves really predictable.
>Tanks
>Mechs
Gunships.
>>342393221
It's almost like threes a type of Tank in space or something.
I think it's called a "Space Ship".
>>342397586
Nein, ich kann nichts für meine kaputte Tastatur
>>342397574
I did and I just told you that a BM is wasted on a shitty battleship that can't do anything to you anyway
>>342380345
I like both.
>the tank squad in muvluv that would go in knowing they were nothing but Beta chow
>>342397757
No, my orginal post was about battleships. It contained the words 'Air superiority was a mistake'. So both of your arguments, about bm's as well as planes are kind of retarded
>>342397893
Just because you post the "X was a mistake" meme means I'm not allowed to call you out how much of a waste a BM against a BB is?
>>342397075
>Tank literally has an iraqi flag painted on it
Really, nigger?
not that the US hasn't lost a number of Abrams tanks, mostly to buried explosives.
I think the strongest statement you could make like that is "The US has never lost a complete Abrams tank CREW to direct enemy fire"
What about a tank that turns into a mech?
>>342398081
Do you have mental deficiency? I didn't make the post about bm's you mouthbreather.
>>342397691
I think the Russians gave a perfect example on how to fuck up immensely with tanks in a city and I'm pretty sure it was Grozny during the First Chechen war. If I was gonna be in a tank I'd only get into it if it was NATO driven.
>>342398162
what about a mech on a tank
>>342397574
I ready
>Battleships
>Bring back
And that was enough. Battleships are fucking done as a concept.
>>342397465
Yeah, because that thing won't be defended by other ships. Anti-ship missiles or torpedos are actually preferred over just sending an aircraft.
>>342398220
Not sure how you expected me to know that
Anyway allow me to respond properly then
>Air superiority was a mistake
No it wasn't, and just because you like jerking off about shitty outdated ship designs, your opinion isn't worth shit
>>342397075
Saudi M1, it's the export version that doesn't have space age magic armor.
>>342398486
>Battleships are fucking done as a concept.
You don't fucking say.They're still cool though
>>342398534
>your opinion isn't worth shit
Neither is yours ;^)
>>342398789
My opinion is that battleships are useless
Oh would you look at that, 90 years of military history agree with me
RAILWAY CANNON!
>>342398901
>My opinion is that battleships are useless
I never doubted that though. A lot of cool military equipment is useless. Doesn't change the fact that it looks cool. How is that so hard to grasp?
Tanks.
Is Gundam Breaker 3 any good? I need a new mecha game, waiting on a new Armored Core is suffering.
>>342396916
Neither have the Brits, or any other developed nation. Mostly because you're going up against WW2 tech and ancient RPGs, when you have reactive armour and more computers than an autist's basemen.
>>342380345
Tanks would most likely win longterm skirmishes. They're cheaper, mechanically simpler, and at the end of the day, a tank could hold harder artillery. At that point, the mobility of a Mech is beat out by sustainable, harder firepower.
But in smaller skirmishes, such as simple brushfire wars, I wouldn't be surprised if mechs found a place there. A wider arsenal of weaponry that's better suited for smaller targets and the occasionally heavy hit against an enemy structure would give one mech more worth over dozens of men. The war of the mech is a war of attrition.
>>342389632
That's what I think of whenever I hear about exoskeletons. STALKER introduced me to them, so I gotta say that's what I'm probably expecting from the future. Heavy hydraulic frames and well-armored suits combined to essentially make a walking tank to be used in conjunction with other ground troops.
It's probably why Monolith was able to wreck just about anyone that came near.
>>342399273
Obviously
>>342398427
>Throw fresh conscripts right into the middle of snackbar city
what could go wrong?
>>342397645
Soo, Battlebots?
>>342398901
The funniest bit about battleship history is they got the most use during Operation Desert Storm. The Missouri and the Wisconsin bombarded the hell out of Iraqi positions distracting their military while the main offense came from land.
>>342399498
I wish I had bought that model but I'm completely inexperienced at painting so there's no way I would have done it justice
>>342391145
this shit was cool as fuck
>>342397645
>people call gundams mechs
fuck off, gundams are blocky power rangers
gay
nothing to do with "mech"
for fags
>>342398789
>>342398486
>>342396924
Did the railgun video teach you people nothing?
>>342396896
>>342380345
It is simple, the mech despite everything else comes form the future so it is more likely to have better weaponry than the tank
>>342398789
Isn't that the battleship the Japs kept at port because they were too scared it would get sunk right away? According to some diaries of some sailors on board, they described their time aboard as being on a "floating hotel".
>Tanks vs Mechs
Warthog. Warthog always wins
>>342400160
Save it for a waifu thread.
>Mech
>Can fly
>Tank
>Can not fly
Mech, obviously.
>>342400075
Didn't they keep it at port because they literally couldn't afford to use it, as they didn't have any oil left?
>>342400160
Modern AA weaponry laughs at you
>>342400257
If you can make a mech fly, you can use the same technology to make a tank fly.
Unless we're talking about some tiny ass mechs
>>342400257
>why to implying this, comrade?
>>342400395
>Mech
>Can fly and use a sword
>Tank
>Can not fly and not use a sword
Bruh, It's so one sided.
>>342393261
The armor was useless against the enemy they were fighting. The suits were for infantry to make heavy weapons man-portable. In the book they were issued 20mm Automatic Rifles. In addition to whatever spike or melee weapons or explosives they carried.
Shoot the mech in the ankle with a rocket. You now have one useless busted up expensive piece of metal.
>>342400550
>tfw imperialist pig-dogs still think they stand a chance
>>342380345
>the 10 year anniversary of 2142 is in October
>no word on a sequel other than endless teasing and easter eggs
>>342400654
>replace a tank's gun barrel with a big sword
>up the turret rotation speed
>now you have a flying tank that chops everything to pieces
what can a mech do to that?
>>342380345
Form a game perspective, mechs, tanks are pretty much always tedious as shit to control in games.
>>342381745
Mechs don't actually exist, so you don't really have a basis for any of those statements.
>>342383221
*more area
>>342400875
>Mech
>Can fly and use a sword and combo it with a roundhouse kick
>Tank
>Can not fly, can not use a sword and cannot deliver roundhouse kicks
>>342401059
>Can not fly, can not use a sword and cannot deliver roundhouse kicks
Up your tank game faggot
>>342401059
Fuck off you unrealistic anime faget.
>>342380345
>real life
tank every single time
>being fucking rad as shit
depends on the setting
>>342394267
I really like these mechs. Why are they always made out to be shoddy pieces of shit that always get fucked up by everyone else? Has one ever had a good enough pilot that it could survive longer than three seconds of screen time or is that just how bad Gundam is with handling non-main characters?
>>342401219
>tank detected
There'll be tanks AND mechs you dumb anti-mech faggots.
A mech is basically just a bigger human with a bigger gun and more mobility and survivability.
No, it doesn't need to be armored like a tank.
No, it doesn't need to be armed like a tank.
It doesn't need to take over the role of a tank on the battlefield, you unimaginative dumbfuck anti-mech morons.
All it needs to do is be infantry but bigger and better.
>>342401313
8th MS Team has some good Zaku/custom pilots in it.
I like them as well.
>>342396207
That game was great. Really liked using VS Suits.
>>342394714
>Thinking people watch GuP for a realistic depiction of tank combat
Tanks do crazy, stupid shit and occasionally cute girls do cute things. It's exactly what it says it is on the tin.
>>342401059
>cannot roundhouse kick
>>342402097
>Mac drives a tank
>>342402097
Mechafags BTFO
>>342380345
The idea of a mech is implausible to begin with. Balancing a shitload of military equipment on a pair of knee-joints is asking for trouble. It's foot catches a boulder on rocky terrain and it trips over - its fucked. It gets pushed back by the inevitable recoil created from firing a massive cannon - it's fucked. You have to get somewhere fast but the legs, already straining under the weight of a metric ton of ammo, armour, guns and chassis, can only manage a slow, meandering shuffle - it's fucked.
A tank is more practical in almost every way. That's why nobody has bothered making mechs.
Still, mechs are cooler, especially MechWarrior stuff. I'd take slow, bulky death machines over those faggy Jehuty's and Gundams any day.
>>342382112
>no one uses vehicles for anything ever
Spot the African ;^)
>>342396207
>game makes an solid effort at realistic mech designs
>final boss makes your mech go full anime with laser swords and infinite air time
>next game takes it over the top 2x as much
I loved both games to death but its like the plot designer died right before they could tie up any of the plot lines
Gasaraki made some really interesting depictions of mecha vs tanks. Mecha were dominant in urban warfare because they could go in buildings or climb stuff easily, and then shoot tanks from vantage points. Like armored, heavily-armed infantry.
>>342392040
Why the fuck do they want to use 3D so much in anime nowadays?
It looks fucking terrible and lifeless. Plus it seems japs are shit at animating anything when it comes to anime.
Why would you drop the very special charm that anime has to replace it with some soulless 3D?
Get your shit together Japan, this is painful to watch.
>>342401524
>All it needs to do is be infantry but bigger and better.
>implying you aren't the unimaginative dumbfuck
Infantry is great because it's the smallest unit of combat power your can get. it's the only one that fits in buildings, in tunnels, can take cover anywhere, etc. Not coincidentally, it's also the smallest unit with human brainpower. Any vehicle can't be made smaller than infantry, because then a driver wouldn't fit inside.
The real game-changer will be autonomous drones, giving you the power of a combat optimized design (as opposed to a normal dude with some equipment strapped on), at the size of infantry or smaller.
What's the point of big infantry if it can't make use of all the infrastructure designed around normal sized humans?
Face it, the future is robotic manlets.
>>342400059
Future tanks would have the same weaponry chummer.
>>342380345
Mechs are inferior to tanks in pretty much every way possible.
They can look really cool though.
>>342402871
>Militarized /r9k/
>>342402302
>country mac drives a tank
FTFY
>>342380345
Tank because mech was invented by weebs.
>>342380345
>>342380345
If Mechs were a thing they would need the agility that comes with a set of decent legs.
Ducking, diving, jinking all that crazy shit.
Otherwise you're a big lumbering bad fucking idea waiting for a Tandem HEAT charge to the knee cap to turn you into a fucking Turret Installation.
Unless materials science advances in some big ways. A fuckin' treaded vehicle will reign supreme.
>>342401859
They were fucking great, had good designs and a good feel. Shame LP3 was shit and probably killed the series
>>342402592
Oh cmon, shit was fantastic. Especially this bit.
>>342403151
Is that true? Are you sure? Sonuva, we need a litfag in here. When was the first walking robot/machine/tank/artillery whatevers written about?
I swear to god if it's Vern again...
>>342402908
Well then whats the differance, one can walk another can roll
>>342403097
Queers can't do proper roundhouse kicks.
Leave it to the real deal, jabroni.
>>342403268
>tfw this moment while cooping stoned with a good mate
10/10 vidya
>>342403365
Exploding knees.
>>342399404
Mechs can't move like anime mechas at all. The law of inertia and square cube law prevents most of the feats, along with putting enormous amount of stress on the structure, which can even tear the structure apart.
Not to mention the INSANE amount of nightmarish CONSTANT maintenance mechs require.
>not wanting a land battleship that can BTFO everything in it's way
>>342403268
Bought that game but never got the chance to play it.
Whatever happened to Joe from LP1?
>>342403268
>flying a fucking railway gun
>mechs can fly they said
>it's their advantage they said
>>342380345
Mechs are cooler because they're less realistic
>>342403602
Go to bed, Adolf
>>342403581
"you can't be that big, square cube law prevents it!" - ant scientist talking about the mythological humans
>>342403365
I wasn't making any claims otherwise. Follow the reply chain brah.
>>342384667
>imagine being a human
>>342403268
still my favorite hype moment from any video game
>>342403268
>Buddy bitched and moaned through the entirety of LP2 and ruined it for everyone involved
>'It's boring' he whined as we ran around in mech suits and tried not to get eaten by a giant salamander
Hover tanks > Mechs
>>342403765
muh wunderwaffe
Would mechs be viableon the Moon?
Mechs are hilariously impractical and mostly impossible without the aid of magic of some sort. That said, they're significantly cooler and way more interesting than tanks which are basically just metal boxes on treads.
Meanwhile tanks are basically the pinnacle of practical, realistic war-machines that are mass-producible. They're boring, efficient and reliable.
If we're talking grounded-in-reality modern day industrial style mech (like titanfall or hawken), tanks would win every time. That's not even a competition.
But if it's a setting where the mechs are powered by mettatron, the power of friendship, and spiral energy then I cant even see a tank existing in such a world, but if it did exist, it wouldn't for long.
Honestly mechs and tanks are in completely different ball parks and the winner of this theorized battle completely depends on the context of the universe it's taking place in.
Also Jehuty is the best mech ever.
When it comes to style, nothing beats oldschool tanks
>>342404031
Build some more of pic related instead
>>342403317
1897 H G Wells, probably.
>>342380345
>Lets make something that is so technically complex that it will require near constant maintenance and huge sums of money to build. >Then lets have it walk bipedal raising it's profile for the world to come wreck it's shit. >Finally lets add some weight to unwieldy limbs causing near constant, massive changes in weight distribution.
Yeah sounds great
>>342404062
>mechs
>cool
>tanks
>boring
Where do you autists even pop up from?
>>342393128
>that explosion
Isn't this suppose to be a safe competition?
>>342404151
The musical was the hottest shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1xlcLtO4yg
>>342403784
You really have no idea what you are even talking about.
>>342402730
>Next season of Berserk is completely 3D
cbu-105
The only mechs competent mechs are anime ones. There's not really a purpose to walking tank mechs because of their inferiority to tanks except for special situations.
Once science discovers the next easy-to-manufacture, near-indestructible metal alloy or future-techâ„¢ shield generator then we'll see black ops teams from each country with their own mechs to perform military operations.
>Just put those science things on tanks
>Putting a reactor in a tank
Tankfags completely fail to acknowledge the psychological effect a mech could have on the battlefield. When Jihadi John and his buddies hear a Cobra helicopter they know death is approaching, same could be said of a next-gen superweapon. Shooting a rocket at a mech and having a shield of blue hexagons or mass carbon nanotubes brush it off in a cloud of smoke would dramatically decrease morale. What's the point in attacking if the enemy houses a mech to protect its forces? VIPs, supplies, assassinations, all can be accomplished with a future-techâ„¢ mech.But without some bullshit excuse for mechs to operate without destroying themselves, tanks will always be superior.
Mechs in space will be a reality, though. No gravity and space-age materials will allow for the U.S. to shoot down dirty Russians trying to invade Mars.
I like mechs, but only because I'm weird and I like that hard-to-explain "space mysticism" aesthetic that you can only achieve by creating weird impractical sci-fi designs and leaving them unexplained
Does that make any sense
>>342404062
>aid of magic
>>342404417
Dude, he called you an ant scientist.on the internet
>>342404594
no please no
no
are they fucking retarded?
>>342404606
real mechs would most likely be more powerarmor than mecha
>>342404594
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btfOWs98r3E
We can only hope it is this tier.
Also, Appleseed gets close to having realistic mechs then goes apeshit. As planned.
>>342404606
>Tankfags completely fail to acknowledge the psychological effect a mech could have on the battlefield.
Yeah, because that isn't a maor aspect of tank warfare at all ;^)
Also,
>putting a reactor in a mech, but you can't put it in a tank
Well memed, as always
>>342404606
It doesn't take an engineer to know how little of anything you just posted isn't delusional bullshit.
>>342404257
I'm talking from a strictly visual standpoint there. Mechs allow for a lot more creative freedom in regards to basically every single aspect of their design. Tanks are basically all the same, bar a few exceptions.
Did someone say mechanized infantry
>>342404828
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejBQL8nfLpI
Doesn't help guts looks nothing like how he does in the manga.
>>342404407
My niggah
The remixes from the games were even hyper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoJ5nCd47sI
>comrade, tank is too long. how will it be of turnings?
>Oy tovarisch. No need for that. It will drive straight to Berlin)))))
>>342405241
>Tanks are basically all the same, bar a few exceptions.
Not much room for improvement left, visually
>>342403892
>mfw finding out you can go insides it mouth and kill it from the inside
>>342405124
It looked very good when it came out but holy shit it aged like piss.
>>342389034
It will most likley at first just let a soldier have almost full protection against small arms via thick kevlar and cermic plates that would not be possible to carry otherwise, after that maybe lightweight metal alloy and plastic polymer to create something that would last longer.
>>342389274
right now just shooting them destroys the rail after a few shots, yet the US is planning on making stealth ships that can fit naval sized railguns
>>342405421
Exactly, as far as looks go, tanks are about as good as they're gonna get. Adding anything else will probably end up just looking tacked-on, retarded, and really out of place.
Meanwhile tacked-on, retarded, and really out of place is pretty much the staple of the mecha genre, so it's welcomed there.
>>342405298
Looks fucking terrible, also these sketch-like shadows, what the hell.
>>342405728
I found some clips of the old Starship Troopers 3d show a year or so ago. I was stunned how bad they were.
>>342405298
>The musou game looks better
WHY
Berserk doesn't deserve such shitty adaptations
idk bros these robo dog mech things are pretty cool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8YjvHYbZ9w
>>342405728
It looks fine though
>>342405851
>Polan preparang for into space war
>>342389274
We do but problem is the instant power consumption a railgun uses to shoot. Uses a ton of power all at once which is contradictory to the steady power flow of a nuclear reactor on a naval ship.
>>342406008
The cyberpunk future is so close I can taste it
>>342402730
it's cheap senpai, market is to saturated to support such a show right now.
>>342393128
>>342392040
what the fuck, wasn't the first season atleast grounded in reality besides a few things?
>>342405935
It looks horrible, yeah, but it was a damn good show. Similarly, exosquad.
>tfw there will never be another american mil-scifi show with actual story arcs and dark themes.
>>342406256
It's the movie.
You know how movies work.
Deliberately aiming at the legs in MWLL was considered being a bad sport and was a bannable offense on some servers. I think that's very telling.
>>342404062
>without the aid of magic of some sort
>not cold fusion reactors
>>342380345
Reality: tanks because mechs don't exist
Fiction: Mechs because they're cooler
>>342406334
>>tfw there will never be another american mil-scifi show with actual story arcs and dark themes.
Don't say that anon. Don't.
>>342405851
>posting an empty pic
why
>>342392040
>>342389978
fug I really need to watch GuP again
>>342397691
>>342398427
>>342399498
WE COMPANY OF HEROES NOW
Depends on the mech
If we're talking about mechs from like armored core for answer then a tank doesn't stand a chance.
>>342406395
Mech fags try to ignore the massive achilles heel that are legs, and get upset when you point it out.
>>342406479
>not using cold fusion reactors on your tank
>>342406716
>tfw nobody posts that Fred Perry's Robutts comic in a /v/ mecha threads anymore.
>not having mechs that are also space jets
Tanks BTFO
>>342407074
mechs that turn into jets are the dumbest shit every conceived when most of the time the mechs just fly already.
What about a mech that shoots tanks?
>>342407074
Mingmei a shit
>>342406979
next war was the hottest shit
>>342381745
See? Someone here played Gihren's Greed.
>>342407198
that make sence if they use jet mode to fly into atmosphere and mech mode for space and ground
>>342406395
Only on the shit servers.
There was nothing like toppling a Jenner with an Urbie's AC20.
>>342407074
>not having green-lantern mechs.
>>342407198
Jet form is for speed, mech form is for precision combat.
>>342407029
>>342407074
Has there been ever been a successful transforming military vehicle? The closest I can think of are amphibious vehicles, but those just have hatches that close to make it water-tight, it doesn't really change into a new type of vehicle.
It seems like too much of a gimmick, and all the moving parts would just make it more vulnerable.
>>342407198
>most of the time the mechs just fly already
I don't think flying a robutt is quite the same as a jet
>>342407416
that makes about as much sense as painting your gun red to shoot faster, those same jets all already in use and if they work well enough to support levitation and dodging the extra air stability of a jet form isnt going to do much
>>342384236
Mechs wouldnt have a problem though.
>>342407660
Sherman easily transformed into a BBQ grill.
>>342380345
I don't really see a mech fulling any other role than infantry support of some kind now it too depends on the size of the thing if you go full anime it's an incredibly retarded idea but if you go a little more for "realism" i can see them working on some battlefield in the future.
Pic. related is the kind of mech that would kinda work.
>>342407198
Or zeta gundam, where the mechs spend the entire time they are in atmosphere riding around on top of jets like skateboards.
Like, it's probably to save on animation, but they're basically being really heavy gun turrets.
>>342407816
Any vehicle in a hot enough place can become a grill.
does this count as a tank
>>342407795
>Mechs wouldnt have a problem though.
Explcitily, why not?
Things sink into loose surfaces because your concentrating too much force into too small an area.
Spreading the weight of a tank over it's two long, wide treads will deal with moist terrain much better than a mech which focuses all of it's weight into two feet, one at a time when it's actually walking.
>>342403268
I don't remember this scene at all.
How the fuck?
>>342408181
I feel like the scale here is wrong or that's just a very small and cute monolith.
>>342403268
Is this Monster Hunter in the future?
>>342408209
did you not get to the last chapter? every single scene was just as crazy when everyone united
>>342408181
>minilith
>monolite
>monolithlet
>>342408343
it's a little off I think
>>342400160
it doesn't win in congress when it comes to getting scrapped for the f-35
feels bad, man
>>342380345
Tanks obviously.
Because mech legs would be mechanical nightmare and very likely vulnerable against lowest tier AT weaponry, not to mention just about as maintenance heavy as modern fighter jets.
Because their high profile makes them easy targets.
Because 100 ton hunk of metal standing on two narrow legs would sink to any sort of softer terrain.
>>342408190
>higher clearence means small bodies of water are no problem
>mud would prboably slow it down but not stop it since its tall enough to just walk through it and its engine should be powerful enough to drudge through if it can lift a "tank"
>shrubs and small trees don't matter to its mech legs
Maybe BETA PROTO-TYPE 0 mech will have trouble with mud specifically but if it can balance its X axis, its infinitely better than a tank in this situation since a tanks treads wont work in mud or swamp lakes
>>342380345
>we could have gotten Battlefield 2143
>we just got a reskinned battlefront 3
I hate it
>>342404606
>The only mechs competent mechs are anime ones
and disregarded, You must be a faggot thinking that arrows can also destroy a helicopter because fucking anime
>>342409181
That happens in videogames much more often than anime
>>342392796
it was fun to help make that video
>>342408626
>not to mention just about as maintenance heavy as modern fighter jets.
You mean magnitude significantly more.
Tanks.
I'd consider something like the AT-ST to be about the most you could expect for practical walkers. A light scout that also can work as an infantry support vehicle.
>>342394837
This is just fucking disneyland on legs
The mech is best used as a psychological weapon against certain types of "retard horde" such as religious extremists.
For you see, the proper way to utilize a gigantic bi-pedal war machine is to cover it in a fake skin and make it appear to be some sort of god or demon of the extremist's religion.
That would fuck with their heads like crazy but you also have to make it near-invincible with an energy shield so they think there really is a god opposing them, it can't ever be defeated.
Or you could make them a horde of mech-monsters that melt/explode so there's no trace of what they really were when they're defeated. That would be more reasonable.
The saddest part is how so many retards from all over the world would think they were real supernatural monsters if it were kept secret what they really were.
Americans would absolutely fall for this.
>>342380345
Mechs are way cooler but tanks are simply more practical
>>342397456
>if the mech has bullshit super-advanced tech, then why don#t the other weapon systems as well?
because the mechs are expensive as all fuck and tanks are still made for economic reasons, it's like asking why arab countries still use soviet tanks, they can't get or afford modern battle tanks
>>342400075
they did have that one battleship that was huge as shit and they just ended up beaching it at okinawa after getting harassed by carrier planes for days
>>342402871
Just put a brain petri dish into a drone. Why bother with manlets?
If Mech's are so goddamned good why aren't they in use yet? Militaries have had the technology for them since the cold war pretty much.
A mech might have mobility but at the expense of being extremely expose to enemy fire and has a fuckton of moving parts that could easily be taken out by a 5 dollar IED if not even small arms fire. Tanks have a much lower profile, can use cover more effectivley and because they are flat and designed to ride smoothly, can much easier dish out firepower while on the move. For a mech to outclass a tank it would need to be able to get into some sort of hull down position, perhaps have some tread ability like that nigga on the cover of starfox, and would need to have some way to attach a rotating turret, otherwise the entire mech would have to turn to change the facing of it's guns, giving it an extreme disadvantage against a tank
>>342411943
>Militaries have had the technology for them since the cold war pretty much.
not really, its mostly a "what do we power this thing with" issue, that and just getting robotic legs to work well has not even been close to perfected yet
The people talking about the psychological effect of a mech or how useful they are in stomping sandniggers is just being silly.
Conventional 1v1 tanks backed by infantry and aircraft win due to reliability, low profile, mass production etc.
Against an inferior foe, use more aircraft and drones.
Against a superior foe, use mostly guerilla infantry with anti-whatever weapons.
There is no situational which a mech is more useful than alternatives.
>>342412895
Mechs could fit in old urban citys like rome and still get around unlike tanks
>>342413026
Except mass infantry works better in those cases, and tanks still work in more open streets whereas mechs will collapse old bridges with their feet and hit the roof of tunnels. Even at its most disadvantaged state, tanks are superior to mechs.
In a war, mechs have higher profiles and will take more fire while being less protected. As for mobility, modern cities are designed for cars to go around which is more similar to a tank than a 100-ton walker.
Tanks are already practically evolved, purpose optimized mechs.
Well, except mechs never existed.
>>342413524
Also good luck trying to fight a defensive battle with a mech. What the hell is a Mech going to do in preparing an ambush? Make a mech size foxhole?
Meanwhile the process of hulling down a tank in the country side or in a ruined city isnt all that hard. Then a tank has good cover and will be hard to see but you sure as hell are not going to be able to hide a mech in a timely matter.
>>342413932
The only way mechs work is if tanks have never been invented and both side relies on mechs exclusively. But then, aircraft will still utterly destroy mechs far worse than tanks due to being far more easily spotted.
>>342414324
wouldnt a mech have less width than a tank making spoting it from above slightly more difficult?
>>342380345
Depends
If the terrain is mostly flat with no enemy aircrafts, tank. But the mech is not that bad either.
Unruly terrain with enemy aircraft. Mech, hands down.
>>342390351
For naval applications it's better to focus on range. Put guidance fins and a conventional warhead on a railgun projectile and you have something that still does the job without needing the accuracy of a pure ballistic strike.
>>342415092
Its just like my american video games
>>342415289
We need a racing game based off the Tank Biathlon.
>>342414830
>Giant bi-pedal robot running through fields toppling over everything in its path
vs
>Low, easily camouflaged, smooth rolling tank
>>342414830
No. Every time we have ever seen a mech it is always the same size or wider then a tank.
But even so, because Mechs are so much taller it would be far easier to see then a tank.
Tanks are already difficult to see from the air because they blend in with their enviornment because of their small size. Times x10 if you throw a camo net on it. While mechs are practically a giant "look at this tall object that stands out from the environment around it."
The problem with mechs is 2 simple problems. 1) Impossible to hide/make cover for
2) Far easier to neutralize because of its legs. Not to be confused with disabled. Destroy the tracks of a tank its now a dangerous vehicle that cant move. Destroy a leg of a mech and its lying in a pool of its own fluids
>>342414315
>trashy mexican music intensifies
>>342414830
Directly above, maybe, but if you're just talking "from the air", then it's a wash, and probably worse.
Tanks get easier to spot from the air as an aircraft gets closer. Mechs get easier to spot from the air the further away the aircraft is.
Tanks can hide under a lot of normal things like overpasses, garages, etc.
>>342416257
>mexico
>having tanks
>>342417261
They may not have tanks, but they do keep up with the latest in hydropneumatic suspension.
>>342380345
>Mechs appear on the battlefeild
>Tank one shot's it's knee while hidden in trees
>Mech is now disabled, Infantry move in and seize the thing
>>342380345
Tanks are much, much better than most mechs. Stronger armor, perfect stability, lower profile, faster than any mech in its weight class, better shielded crew compartments, easier to pilot as well. For the price and weight, tanks have a lot more to offer than a mech does.
However, mechs do have several benefits, namely that they require only a single, well trained crewman, legs give them better all terrain mobility than tanks, they're slightly more agile and able to shift direction easier, and can still carry a lot of firepower for their weight across all classes. A light mech can carry sensor suites, cannon grade firepower, and still be small and cheap enough to be a cost effective tool. Medium and above scale up these qualities, although the price does rise for them.
In short, tanks are good at being heavily armored fortresses, mechs are great for fire support.
>>342415682
I would think a bipedal machine would leave less disturbances in the ground an air compared to a vehicle that is mostly touching the ground
>>342417539
NO THE SHOT WOULD BOUNCE OFF THE SHIELDS AND THE MECH WOULD DESTROY THE TANK
>>342380345
Hover tank > all.
>>342417639
What is it about a mech that would make it easier to operate at full capacity than a tank? One dude can drive a video game tank just fine.
The reason a tank has more crew members is because splitting up the work means that every job can have more attention directed at it, and be done better.
One guy to drive, one guy to shoot, one guy to talk on the radio and coordinate with all the other forces in the area, and to tell the other guys what needs to be done.
Weren't they going to make a new MechWarrior game?
>>342411943
> Militaries have had the technology for them since the cold war pretty much.
No they haven't you giant retard. We're nowhere close, even today, to having a viable way to power them, keeping them falling over, or straight up destroying themselves under their own weight. You may see boston dynamic videos of slow, clumsy robots that don't face plant or break themselves but scale that shit up by a hundred and you're fucked.
>>342419791
IIRC, there was a kickstarter for a turn based tactical game like the ye olde 1980s Crescent Hawk games.
>>342419687
if we cant even make a tank automatically select ammo how the hell do you think one man can control a mech and have it be combat viable?
>>342419687
Do they still have loaders in tank crews or is that automated in most MBTs now?
Even anime knows that mechs would get owned.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHoCPtWaCtw
>>342420440
>literally an armored inf transport with legs
>>342387685
>Flying mechs
So effectively gunships.
So Tanks > Aircraft
>>342420437
The American Abrams and German Leopard 2 are use manual loaders. Russian tanks and the French Leclerc use autoloaders.
>>342420290
Pretty sure autoloaders are a practical, mature technology by this point. 'merica and bongistan and germany just have manual loaders because tradition, and because the rest of the crew like having someone else to do maintenance and break track and shit.
>>342420437
Most modern tanks, by number of types and by absolute numbers of vehicles produced have autoloaders.
Some of the current high-end ones still have manual loaders, and a lot of the autoloaded ones are slavshit.
That said, the fancy new K2 has an autoloader, as does the Type 10, Leclerc, the new T-14 armata, etc. I can't think of any with manual loaders which aren't based on original designs from the 80s or earlier. It's probable that from now on, any new tanks will not have manual loaders.
>>342392618
Built up Dystopian Cyberpunk future.
Where Wars are between corporations and a tank being a lugged hunk of metal is a deathtrap unable to handle vertical and subtle warfare.
Like Ghost in a Shell or Appleseed or Shadowrun.
>>342408434
>
yep
>>342421581
what you describe is power armor more so than mechs
>>342387685
It never stops bothering me that there are major human conflicts going on in the midst of the BETA invasion.
I know it's a common element in post-apocalyptic stories but in ML it's just extra disgusting to me for some reason. The Coup arc was hard to sit through.
>>342380345
/thread
>>342421906
Mechs would basically be upscaled power armour or things like the spider tank from GITS
A bit too large, but it's basically a tank with legs so it can go into built up areas a tank will take forever to traverse.
>>342380345
Depends.
In space a mech is supreme due to how incredibly fucking useful arms are. Even currently existing spacecraft have arms. The ability to grab shit to orient or kick off of would decimate any conventional spacecraft.
On the ground it really depends on if they have support. Alone a tank would be fucked, even MechWarrior tier mechs can jump enough to completely fuck a conventional tank, and a Mech's ability to use a more diverse variety of arms or even just fuck with the environment makes it pretty good one on one.
However in a combined arms scenario a tank would be a fuckload more useful. A tank,
Can be used as cover.
Can be (relativity) quickly repaired.
Isn't completely fucked when disabled.
Doesn't also fall on teammates when disabled.
Isn't easily hit due to not being vertical.
Doesn't instantly give away your position due to not being vertical.
tl;dr
A mech is good for zero-G combat or hit and run tactics, but a tank is better for conventional warfare.
>>342422445
>Depends.
>In space
How about this.
Bolo vs. ACU
>>342422682
>All conflict will only occur in Earth's atmosphere for the rest of time.
>>342381561
Mechs are for weeb children, tanks are for autismo History Channel Tiger sperglords
Aircraft 4 life
>being a ground pleb
>>342422682
not like you can prove him wrong until actual attack craft end up duking it out in micro G
>>342422445
>In space a mech is supreme due to how incredibly fucking useful arms are.
>Even currently existing spacecraft have arms.
Then why is a mech useful compared to a conventional spacecraft? After all, they have arms too.
>even MechWarrior tier mechs can jump
With rocket engines, which I don't see any reason you couldn't build onto a tank as well.
>>342422203
>Spider tank
>Spider tank
>Does whatever a spider
>Cank?
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>>342423014
>With rocket engines, which I don't see any reason you couldn't build onto a tank as well.
You mean vertical boosters, like a landmaster?
>>342422376
>dat accuracy when moving
Any other tank test (NATO/Chinese (variant of Russian T-90s)/Korean/Japanese?)
>>342423014
>Space ship has arms
>Added legs for kick off too
Nigga it's a mech then!
>>342422946
No one is going to send a tank into space.
It's the same thing as sending a fucking transport jeep into space. The shit won't move with no ground
>>342422445
Dude, don't even try to justify mechs realistically for ground warfare. I'ts embarrassing.
>Alone a tank would be fucked, even MechWarrior tier mechs can jump enough to completely fuck a conventional tank
Are you implying that bunnyhopping is an effective military tactic?
>and a Mech's ability to use a more diverse variety of arms
I assume by 'arms' you mean weapons, in which case stop being a retard please, swords don't count.
>with the environment makes it pretty good one on one.
If for some fucking reason you really need your war machines to 'fuck with the environment' then you could just stick a folding arm on a tank.
>>342423190
Here have some worst Korea.
hover tanks a best
>>342423418
>blue flags as identification
What is this Total War: ShoTanks?
>>342423170
>You mean vertical boosters, like a landmaster?
Yeah, exactly
>>342423256
why legs?
99% of the time it's going to be a dick move to push off against something, since it will fuck that thing's orbit up.
>>342385964
Hows bout anti tank personel with higly agile and speedy exoskeletons equipped with shoulder bazookas?
>>342423014
Because a mech presumably has an arm on each side, meaning it can grab shit from almost any angle. Shuttles would have to rotate every time they had to use an arm which at best wastes time and at worse makes their profile easier to hit.
>Give a tank the ability to jump
>good change that the treads will become utterly fucked upon landing
>It can't even fucking shoot while jumping because the main cannon can barely point down.
10/10 design
>>342423463
>magnetic landmines counter it
What a shame
>>342389397
>>342390259
it's important to note that mechwarrior has tanks that are exactly what you described, and they are used much more widely than mechs. mechs are predominantly used for smaller scale battles, as they can be dropped from orbit due to plot armor.
this doesn't apply to the clans because they don't fight to win, they fight to jerk themselves off later about how honorable they are
this also doesn't apply to the steiners sometimes, because they like using 50 lances of assault mechs for some retarded reason
this sometimes doesnt apply to any noble because mechs are essentially knight armor to those pricks, they just want to look cool
>/m/ vs. /k/ argument that neither board is retarded enough to care about themselves
>on /v/
Videogames.
>>342391145
>fighting for the mesopotamian goddess of prostitution
>>342423809
Turkish tanks are Ottoman Empire derived relics
Prove me I'm wrong
Protip: You can't
>>342423809
>still using M60s
Bitchboys of NATO
>>342423651
Then its not a mech and its not doing the literally number 1 job of being a tank, to clear a hole for the infantry/smash an enemies frontline. So you would still need tanks.
>>342394837
this is the only thing i don't like about 40k fluff
it just doesn't look cool to me
>>342423418
>>342423540
>>342423809
>>342423908
>>342424035
What video game is this from?
>>342423979
The upgrade pack for the M60 looks neat.
>dude Mechs are fucking stupid, all you have to do is give a tank arms and not put it in any situation were a Mech would be better and they're totally better than Mechs in every way!
>>342424129
Even SK and Japan can build tanks at home.
>>342424154
>any situation were a Mech would be better
Name one, I'll you a year to think of it.
>>342423686
>Because a mech presumably has an arm on each side, meaning it can grab shit from almost any angle.
>put a second arm on a shuttle
was that so fucking hard?
>good change that the treads will become utterly fucked upon landing
>It can't even fucking shoot while jumping because the main cannon can barely point down.
>not using thrust vectoring to own the skies, macross zero style
>not landing using the same rockets you took off with
nigga we can land rockets on a fucking barge on the ocean right now, I don't see why we couldn't land a tank on the ground in the future. It's not like the suspension can't take some pretty decent hops as is.
>>342424223
Does space count?
I agree with you. I always found mechs to be asking to get fucked in the face. Or in the Mechs case, the kneecap.
>>342424154
If mechs are so good then why arent we using them to kill people yet?
>>342387885
>Really this debate is just legs vs. treads, rather than mechs vs. tanks
that's what I thought too
I think legs would be better for crossing small streams or rocky uneven terrain but for literally everything else I don't know why I'd want legs given
>less surface area means it'll sink in muddy terrain and the feet will take a pounding
>if a tank loses a tread it has to stop and be repaired or replaced, if a mech loses a leg it'll tip over and wreck the whole thing
>while i assume being in a tank compartment is no day at the beach, tanks can go fast with relative crew comfort whereas a sprinting mech would be jostling everything around hard even assuming gyroscopic stabilization
>>342424223
Anything that requires armour and power but a rotating barrel and not very agile(although fast) treads are suited for.
Imagine a tank made of meat that is supposed to function like a human, then compare it to a human.
That analogy should tell you the advantages of a mech.
>>342424365
Space counts if underwater does but honestly it's kind of cheap if you can only come up with areas where tanks will never be used.
>>342424494
*are not suited for
>>342424494
Mech fags are truly delusional.
>>342420290
>we cant even make a tank automatically select ammo
t. american
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6nlvii-bP0
>>342424494
If this meat-tank was the size of a person then it would be always be superior.
>>342424318
>dude if you make a tank exactly like a mech it's totally better than a mech
Okay.
>>342424746
It takes space and it takes more mass than it should
>>342424826
I bet I could do ten pushups before a meat tank could do one.
>>342424889
The point is that literally the only thing Mechs could do better then a tank is something that could easily be adapted for tanks as well which means mechs would have no advantages over a tank but several huge disadvantages.
>>342403268
The boss fight with the giant railgun train is awesome, it's a shame so many people bitched and moaned about it because it actually required cooperation to accomplish properly and instead just killed it with the helicopters. It was faster to kill it with the rail gun when you were good at it, even with only a 2nd person.
>>342404031
>>342403602
I bet these things would've went 10 km/h at best on a good day if they ever got made
If there's ever a solution to the square-cube law, mechs will probably be able to take better advantage of it due to their shape.
>>342424892
Funny that it's one of the lightest tank around.
