The hardest boss in all the Souls games.
This is bullshit
Yes, this is true. It's the only Souls boss I have never beaten solo.
>>342377868
All the optional areas of DS2 DLC were made with coop in mind.
That's not Rom or Kosm.
>>342377593
It's not that hard, just learn to dodge into their attacks to abuse your iframes and stay under them as much as possible.
>>342378014
How would a player know that?
>>342377593
It's just annoying cause it takes a while to get there, and those stupid horses on the way waste your resources.
Artificial difficulty: the fight
>Every attack oneshoots you
>Fast as fuck
:^)))))))))))))))))))))))
The boss is designed for coop.
Each DLC chapter has one COOP boss.
I guess some really do say Kosm...
>>342378197
The NPC summon signs at the beginning of the area, all of them had it, unlike all the other areas in the game.
>>342377593
Hello
Agreed. Next question.
What is Solaire, knowing that he is just some random follower instead of being this blessed son of a god.
>>342377593
The path to the boss is harder than the boss itself.
Either way, the fight is just about killing cat 1 before cat 2 drops down.
>>342378289
Still not as bad as Chalice Amygdala or Bloodletting Bastard
>>342378514
He's just over leveled faggot who uses lightning spears. He's DSP basically
>>342378514
just a very determined guy
>>342378757
>Amygdala
run to her tail and she'll repeat the jump attack over and over, hold r2 and repeat until dead.
the full proof strat for farming nourishing abyssals.
>>342378197
Almost every boss in souls games has a COOP option.
After you die too many times you tend to summon a coop friend.
A player would know this is meant for coop by seeing how unfair solo it is.
Also the game gives you the option to summon NPCs.
All souls games that have NPC summon signs before a fight indicate the boss may be kinda hard solo.
Fighting everything solo is just a self imposed rule.
Although in most souls games its not recommended to summon anyone non NPC if its your first time playing the game because chances are they are overlevvekd or have OP gear and may ruin the boss fight.
NPC summons usually have low damage but are tanky so thy basically are only useful as a diversion to give you time to heal or plan your next attack or land your strongest attacks.
>>342379284
>basically are only useful as a diversion
That's not the small benefit you are making it out to be. The bosses in the game are balanced around a single target, their movesets, cooldowns and AI is only meant to deal with one target at a time. Introducing another target into the mix absolutely fucks up their AI. They constantly give you openings they shouldn't have, they have absolutely no idea how to position themselves, they let you heal all the time and there's absolutely no flow to the combat. Summoning is such a garbage mechanics, can't believe they still keep putting it in without any improvements what so ever.
>>342377593
homing stun locking
>>342377593
Getting there is harder than the fight.
Basically one hit death, the fight
Almost beat it on my first try. Then I never tried again because fuck that area
>>342377593
I just remembered how many bosses I ended up not bothering to kill in DS2
>ancient dragon
>2kat
>blue smelter
Almost didn't bother with Gank Squad either but I randomly summoned a super tryhard Sir Alonne cosplayer who single handedly killed everything leading up to and including the Gank Trio, while I stood in the back like an idiot
>>342377593
use a brightbug, retard.
The first tiger will die before it wears off. then its just a repeat of the Aava fight.
>>342377593
I don't have any motivation to beat them
Do you get anything good? What do their Souls make? Is anyone desperate to beat them right now on PS3? They're the only boss I haven't done and I wouldn't mind practicing by helping people.
>>342380420
Ancient Dragon ain't too bad if you know how to bait it properly. Blue Smelter is a dick though from being a pin to fight and get to.
never got to them because das2 got boring so I just rushed the finish, but are they harder than burnt ivory king with no extra loyce knights?I was too lazy to go on so I just went for the bossfight with a single loyce knightdid it on second try come at me
>>342380527
I thought this but those bugs are finite and rare so I summoned
Dual tigers worst part of ds2 which is already bad
>>342380420
>>342380671
why do people find ancient dragon hard? I thought it was pretty trivial. Played latest version of SOTFS for the record
>>342380693
>Not doing Ivory King first tryYes no Loyce Knights
>>342381045
I'm shit at handling adds
>>342381116
Kill the pyro first.
Great fight though.
>>342377593
after the 70th try i managed to best them with offline npc companions
>>342381256
yeah DLCs had some cool bosses, sir alonne reminded me of king allant a lot even though they don't actually fight that similar, probably because its up top or something
>>342380693
how were you able to start the fight with one loyce knight?
i had to get all of them just to activate that fight
Dark Souls 2 DLC is the hardest stuff in the entire series IMO. It wasn't a chore, or boring, or unfair, just fucking hard as nails.
>>342382449
Someone hasn't played Old Hunters.
>>342377593
Id like to see the % of ds2 players who have actually killed these two, most of my friends either didnt realise they existed, or wiped once and quit.
i persevered, it sucked, but feelsgoodman now
>>342382449
Makes dark Souls 3 difficult pale in comparison
>>342382449
Bosses were good but the paths in between them had the same poor pacing issue as the main game, if not worse
>>342382149
No you don't, there is another prerequisite to get into the fight so you're probably confusing it.
Or maybe they changed it in SOTFS I dunno
>>342382760
probably like 1% not even kidding
>>342382686
>oh
>hard
lol
>>342377593
>Everyone forgot about new game + flamelurker
>>342377593
>hardest
this is called artificial difficulty
ds2 is just hard for the sake of being hard, its one of the reasons why its shit
>>342382982
Only the co-op bosses and Sir Alonne. Elana was shit too (unless you got lucky with player messages there's no way you found the wall bonfire yourself fuck off) because of the elevator ride, but dropping down the tomb things is a very nice way to go about the trip back to the boss. Much better than placing enemies in your way, that's for sure.
>>342383361
Try playing Demon's Souls again, the entire game is a cakewalk.
>>342377593
>Souls games
>DaS2
>>342383483
like the rest of the series
>>342377593
This shit was only hard because my toaster couldn't keep a steady framerate. Same with Ava or whatever the solo cat was called. Those fucking weather effects man.
>>342383483
It's hard for the exact same reasons all the other Souls games are hard. Either to enhance the tone/feeling of satisfaction or shitty design thanks to being rushed.
>>342383652
i really want to put a gun to the guys head
>>342383297
I think OH on NG+ is definitely pretty brutal, especially Laurence. But you can arguably say that his health is simply not fucking balanced on NG+
But my main issue with the DLCs for DS2 is with the CoOp areas. Yes I suppose they're the designated CoOp areas for a reason but holy hell are they fucking chores to get through.
>>342379615
This argument is fucking terrible.
One of the core points to the souls series is summoning, from the opening cinematic in DeS which shows the player fighting with three allies summoned in to every single entry in the series having the exact same mechanic and opening that mechanic to the player in very early portions of the game. There have always been NPC summons, characters created by the developers to be used in the boss fights.
To say the bosses AI cannot handle more than one player implies that the developers designed every single boss while assuming one of the largest mechanics of their game would not be used and its ridiculous.
>>342377593
WHAT THE FUCK
Where the fuck do you find these guys?
>>342377593
>>342378289
>>342378465
>>342378757
that's cute
>>342378757
Abhorrent is much harder though.
>>342378514
I like to think he's just another adventurer. Nothing special. He doesn't need a significant backstory to be a significant character
>>342383506
>unless you got lucky with player messages there's no way you found the wall bonfire yourself fuck off
I agree completely but funnily enough a graphical glitch basically showed me the secret so I didnt have too many problems
I never beat 2cat. I just gave up because it took too fucking long to get back to them. God that shitty blizzard area with the unicorns. Worst shit ever.
>>342383960
The Frozen DLC Disney released
>>342383963
>didn't play Bloodborne
Vicar fucking Amelia is harder than this fag.
>>342378757
I must have missed something on my way to fight Yharnam, because I don't much remember fighting that thing
>>342383963
You're cute you fucking faggot
Rat Vanguard was harder than you
>>342377593
No.
The two dark pursuers are by far the hardest (or the biggest bullshit, to be precise) in all soulsborne games.
>>342383963
HAHAHAHAHAHA
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
AHAHAHAAAAAAAAHA
HAHAHAH
Nameless king
hard
HAHA
anyone from das 3
hard
OMG
HAHAHA MY SIDES
OH SHIT HAHAHAHA
>>342383876
>One of the core points to the souls series is summoning
Yeah, too bad that summoning is fucking garbage and the developers put 0 thought into implementing it. They just threw it on top of a game blatantly designed to be played solo and called it a day. They did this not once but 5 fucking times. Or what, are you actually going to argue that the areas and bosses are designed for co-op play? Because you'd really have to be crazy to try and make that argument.
>>342381045
I despised that fight even with loyce knights, fuuuuck
Thinking back, the only DLC boss i enjoyed was Alonne
>>342384182
Just get sword-stabbed by one of them, the other one disappears.
>>342383506
Nah most DLC bosses were top, especially Sinh
>>342383523
Nah. Most of the game for standard new game is greatly balanced and aside from old king allant/firelurker/armored spoidah and that duran fellow its mostly only mildly challenging.
But new game+ with pure black WT is fucking relentless especially if you don't have a perfect build and high soul level, nevermind that the AI for the knights in boletaria is aggressive as fuck and its hardest in the series to avoid them but their black phantoms generally 2-3 shot you with fluted armor on. Defo hardest new game+ experience
>>342377593
>>342377868
Same here, only boss I never beat him solo and never plan on doing so but to be fair I didn't try many times either, it's just that the unfair nature of the fight, the mile long run prior, with infinitely respawning enemies, in a blinding snow storm, with attacks from enemies that could attack from the snow veil and kill you in a second with melee attacks, really bugged me and I just ended up summoning the npcs for the area.
God, what a shit area that was.
>>342383963
what made this boss so hard for so many people?
>>342384183
Why does everyone always say Fume Knight is some awesome boss? Literally just another tall boss with an uninteresting moveset. I dont get it, is it his lore or something?
>>342384465
People are fucking bad at fighting the bird, so they don't have the resources to actually fight Nameless Scrub.
>>342383963
After your first try the boss becomes really fucking easy.
>>342384419
I actually love the snow storm aspect of the area
But the endless fucking reindeers that were damn difficult to kill themselves were just way too fucking much for multiple, sustained attempts on the boss
My first time there I put my sign down to "scout" the area as a summon and it took me and the host fucking forever to get to 2kat, did not have the fucking patience to do that shit myself multiple times
The orphan is a fucking meme. All you need is to dash towards him not away when he attacks.
>>342384665
Applies to all of the bosses
>>342377593
>not just sprinting to the hot spring then to the boss
Its like you guys want to be fucked by horses, still the hardest fight in any of the games I've played. Never got to play much BB so maybe that has something too
>>342378197
Because each of those areas start with similar summoning rooms with multiple NPC summons.
>>342384294
>If you use a glitch is not hard
Thanks, Sherlock.
>>342379615
>>342384189
They do
Since Dark Souls II, area mobs/bosses get more health/resistances per summon. Bloodborne and Dark Souls III added more AOE attacks and side hitting attacks so not only does it make it that bit more challenging solo, but helps make it feel like the boss you're fighting is trying to hit multiple people at one time and leave fewer openings.
Two examples, of which you can find many co-op videos of, are Pontiff in III and Logarius in Bloodborne.
I don't summon but you can still read up on this shit. You're an ignorant shitposter and I won't be replying to any other posts you make.
>>342384782
>any of the souls games I've played
fucking dammit
>>342378197
Because FROM released a statement, which you can google, around the time of hyping up the release of the DLC that there will be co-op areas.
All of which I did solo because Dark Souls II is just that easy. The only area I had trouble with was the snow area because of the infinite rapedeer
>>342384665
>>342384651
The bird is a huge resource drain for first timers.
Also if you follow the age old technique of CIRCLE ITS LEGS, you get the fucking near instant fire AOE breathed at you.
>>342384143
chalice only
>>342381009
He used to kill you in one hit in the previous versions with pretty much everything.
>>342383361
not many people played DeS, not even the sonyggers since most of them jumped ship from the 360
and I dont think it qualifies that much since if you have trouble with it you can just use thiefs ring to abuse him and even restart your ps3 to spawn back right outside his fog gate
>>342384465
The first phase is super annoying (until you figure it out, then it's piss easy)
The second phase also has a bit of a learning curve, but it's a more fair, moderately hard fight.
People just get frustrated because it seems overwhelming the first times you try it, the first phase fucks you up because the camera is bad and you can't see his attacks (though eventually you will know when he will attack even if you cant see him) leaving you with few resources for the second phase.
>>342384782
I tried this plenty of times, but would get ganked by 3 horses at once. Then I learned that the two summons were pretty good at distracting the horses, but then I had to spend an effigy every time those stupid cats would kill me
>>342384143
It's in the chalice dungeons only.
>>342384980
Bird Wouldn't be so bad if the Lock On and Camera coopareted.
Instead its a lot easier to fight him without lock on, looking as high as possible
>>342382449
>or unfair
Bullshit. A lot of the Three Crown difficulty is unquestionably unfair. FROM's idea of balancing the DLC ended up being "make every enemy in the area have ridiculous poise and as much resistance as humanly possible"
>>342380559
100% completion, pretty much. I thought the fight against the one was bullshit enough until I got its pattern down, but two of them can fuck right the hell off.
>>342378757
>bloodtinge meme build
>can just repeatedly shoot Amygdala's weak spot
cheesing never felt so good
can we agree that this was the best boss fight?
>that fucking entrance
>get to bring 2 npc homies plus 4 knight bros
>all out fight war
>that fucking boss entrance
>those goddamn Jedi moves similar to artorias
>>342385138
>"make every enemy in the area have ridiculous poise and as much resistance as humanly possible"
They're all easily backstabable though, way more than the enemies in the regular game.
>>342385036
Oh yeah you need the summons, just to distract horses. You can make it to the fog wall fairly consistently and then either wait and hope the summons make it or crystal them out so the boss doesnt more HP. Also farming the horses on the bridges area is surprisingly easy but so damn risky.
>>342378757
>Amygdala
>Hard
You mean the boss you circle around to his tail and charge attack when he jumps right in front of you exposing his head.
Only hard boss in Bloodborne is Watchdogs because le flaming charge 1 hit.
>>342384093
Amelia is fucking simple, at least choose Laurence or something.
>>342385325
I think the first phase would have been better with DaS3's speed. Because DaS2 is so slow, it just takes a big amount of time to kill the knights and they had to put less of them for you to kill because of that, so it feels less like a war.
>>342384814
The HP buff has for the longest time been the only way they made them more challenging, which is just laughable. They don't get new moves, their AI doesn't change, there are no more enemies that get added. And yeah, adding a few more AOE attacks for the 4th and 5th games in the series is nice and all, but that doesn't change the fact that the bosses are not balanced around co-op play. Pontiff himself is an excellent example, his moveset works in a deliberate way to punish panic rolls, drain almost all of your stamina with his lengthy combos and just generally be on your ass all the time. All of that is lost when you introduce other people because he starts moving between different targets constantly which not only undermines the timing of the fight but also gives you too many opportunities to heal and regain stamina. You will find that it's exactly the same with every boss fight in the series. Instead of getting new moves or other kind of elements to deal with the co-op, it always destroys the flow and distinguishing characteristics of each fight. I have a hard time believing anyone can deny this if they have played co-op at all.
>>342385325
My nigga.
You fucks can shit all over DS2, but this fight was awesome, not only that but the lore was good.
>>342385497
>le flaming charge 1 hit.
50 VIT and wearing the charred set allows you to (barely) survive the charge
>>342377593
You are unironically correct. This and Old Ivory King with no summons on NG+9 are the hardest bosses I've done in a Souls game.
>>342377593
Dont summon dont be a faggot.
>The unicorns have infinite spawn
>Summon the two dudes and run like hell, once at the gates of the boss unsummon
>Kill the first one as quick as posible, buff all you can.
>Then kill the second one just like Aava.
>You need to learn to roll in the atacks
>>342382449
The bosses weren't terribly hard, save Gank trio and the two cats, which were designed to be obnoxiously difficult solo. The areas and enemies were fucking dogshit, though. The mob tactics are worse than in the normal game, and you have to bait everything and basically beat them to death slowly because of their high poise.
>>342385626
The second tiger in Lud and Zallen's boss fight activates earlier the more summons you have.
>>342379121
>full proof
>>342378049
>Rom
>Hard
Please
Why dont more bosses block parry and backstab?
Maybe make them do it a lot more when you summon people to the point where the boss is trying to cheese you since your cheesing him with all the summons you can.
Or at least make more bosses like the champ.
>>342385626
This. I helped people with Pontiff a dozen times or so on my first playthrough and its a cakewalk and its also immensely depressing how mane people just summon 3 phantoms on their first try of the boss and of the level even.
>>342385441
>europeans trying to make american food
First pizzas now this. Please stick to boiled frogs and sheep stomachs and whatever else you eat over there
>>342385738
>not only that but the lore was good.
My double nigga
That fucking lore was too much, felt horrible having to kill him
>>342385831
>The areas and enemies were fucking dogshit, though. The mob tactics are worse than in the normal game, and you have to bait everything and basically beat them to death slowly because of their high poise.
Oh no! You actually have to think to beat the enemies instead of just spamming R1 and dodges!
How is that a problem?
>>342377593
i killed them on the first try
the area before them is the hardest boss in the game
>souls coop
>one guy baits with shield up while other guy wacks until dead
whoa
>>342377593
that boss fight was the culmination of everything wrong with dark souls 2
>reused boss
>multi-enemy boss
>destroys your weapons for no reason
>has a heal
>run from bonfire is the longest by an insane fucking margin
>most annoying enemy in the entire game keeps spawning near you to fuck you up while you run there
>>342384183
Can you spot the 30 vit SS user?
>>342385846
Those DLC areas are the only areas which felt like they were actually designed with co-op in mind. Which only highlights my point since when done solo those areas and bosses are absolute clusterfucks which stick out like a sore thumb from the rest of the areas.
Real question, how hard do you believe the upcoming DLC bosses for DS3 will be?
![4FFEA50FEA0C8663BEB68AF852BCAE275FA0956C[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/4lnnk6Z.jpg "4FFEA50FEA0C8663BEB68AF852BCAE275FA0956C[1].jpg")
>>342377593
>not even champion's covenant
Disgusting pleb.
>>342385993
>american "food"
>bread with salad and cold cuts
Is there even a way to get this shit "wrong"?
>>342385116
lock on is pure shit, every game it really gets worse and shorter plus it drops off/ cuts off on its own, even when you are more than enough in range. I know your supposed to not use it as a crutch but it literately makes things worse by using it. Why even leave it in the game if its not going to be useful, and why give enemies perfect x/y axis lock on your center of mass from a million miles away?
>>342377593
>never bothered with 2cat on the original game
>get prepare to scholar edition
>decide to finally beat them
>doing decently, take out the first one
>suddenly weapon breaks because i forgot about the 60 fps bug
>frantically try to dodge, heal and change to another weapon
>inventory is littered with every single thing from the game
>finally manage to select an unupgraded greatsword and some charms because at this point im out of healing
>get back in the flow and slowly take the other kitkat out
Say what you want about that weapon durability bug it got me some intense moments and great memories.
>>342385591
But that's why i picked her. Compared to most Souls bosses she's insanely difficult, but not compared to BB bosses.
>>342386243
>Those DLC areas are the only areas which felt like they were actually designed with co-op in mind.
If the fight is different when you summon and when you don't summon, then that doesn't mean it was designed for co-op since there's a different version for solo.
>>342384465
The same retards who think artorias is hard with his extremely telegraphed attacks think nameless king is hard
The fact that the moron think NK is harder than orphan or defiled hotdog should be a testament to how mentally deprived these people are
>>342386030
Right? I think he was the single character that made me feel something in dark souls 2, even his queen was diferent from the other shards, the loyality of the knights who went into the chaos and the ones who stayed. Fuck, that was some good shit b-team.
Would DS2 be /good/ if he was the last boss?
>>342385742
>(barely) survive
Nothing beats this feeling, NOTHING!
>>342386591
If you want to get technical then yes. I mean, even in Demon's and Dark Souls the bosses would get a health boost when you fought them with summons, but you could hardly call that "designed around co-op" because of how lazy it was. And the laziness is the entire point.
>>342378014
What a fucking casual. I beat the twin kitties on my second try with a Red Iron Twinblade.
>>342386972
>dude just use the OP weapon lmao it's so easy bruh
>>342385742
oh yeah man let me just get 99 vit xd
>>342386327
>greatshield
found the pussy
>>342386591
It was literally designed for 2+ Players
Lud and Zallen
Blue Smelter
Gank Squad
Are all designed with 2+ in mind, that is why they are the only bosses that you can summon players that DONT have the DLC for.
====>> LITERALLY << ====== Designed for 2+ players.
>>342387096
It's really that strong ? I always go for swords or spears in this games.
>>342386934
Yeah but I mean, if when you solo, the tiger only pops at 30% health of the other tiger and with 3 summons, the tiger pops right off the bat, then it's an entire different dynamic. They could have just said "No, you fight 2 tigers immediately, you should have brought friends stupid american" if it was really balanced around co-op, but they didn't.
>>342387328
Nah, even if it hits hard you can't chain multiple attacks or else you just get combo'd to death, he is just mad he can't beat them.
>>342387445
They have to put in the bare minimum of work so people think they care about balancing their games, just like how they give all the bosses a slight defense boost.
>>342378465
THIS FUCKER
>>342378465
Fuck this asshole, I've beat every Souls boss with no real problem but this motherfucker made me ragequit.
>>342387445
You dont get to bring friends
>>342378465
*backstabs*
*charged r2*
*backstabs*
*charged r2*
*backstabs*
*charged r2*
*backstabs*
Wow, that was difficult
>>342385742
lel, my current char barely has 30 vit.
fuck survivability, git gud or go home.At least i didn't waste too many blood phials during my many tries.cause everythin oneshotted me
>>342384981
>>342385043
so is yharnam
>>342384143
it's in the same dungeon on layer 2.
>>342378757
*unlocks camera*
*hugs left leg*
Wow, its like darkbeast again
>>342383842
calm down ahmed
>>342386671
DS2 would be better if the rest of the game had the thoughtfulness and cohesiveness of the zone and story that this little DLC branch had.
I really loved the sunken city but I think Eleum Loyce was objectively the best part of dark souls 2
>>342378465
The most overhyped fight of all of Soulsborne games
Him and ludwig for such a letdown for what everyone online hyped them up to be
>>342383963
LEL hard
>>342383963
Funny thing is that nameless is the fairest boss Ds3 since he's the one boss who wib't spin around for 5 minutes and then one shot you.
>>342387215
I don't see you killing Lud and Zallen, kiddo.
