Explain to me why did we end up in a world where paying for playing online is acceptable?
Explain to me why sony fans clapped with enthusiasm when Sony announced it instead of booing?
What's happening /v/?
They have to make money somehow. Stop being an entitled baby and get a fucking job.
>>342349787
This p. much. $5 a month is nothing.
kys OP
>>342349787
first post best post
>>342349787
>>342349853
>>342349914
>>>neogaf
Because they can.
The problem isn't the scumfucks who offer these services, the problem is the giant horde of scumfucks who willing buy into it.
I don't blame any of the shitty business models one bit, a companies sole purpose is to bring in as much cash as possible. If someone could sell a bike for $200 but instead decides to sell the bike frame alone for $150, then the tires for $30, and the seat for $20, and the chain for $30, who should we be more pissed at? The profiteer who tried or the morons who took the bait?
>>342349787
this.
while paying for online is shit
5 bucks is nothing stop sounding like a faggot op
Because they like money. People willingly pay them and there is no reason to stop now that the precedent has been set.
Ethics don't exist in big coorporatins.
because you guys didn't buy their playstations 3
>>342350036
>>342350009
These are correct, everyone else is a faggot.
>>342349729
you paid for 360 because
1) good servers
2) not hacked every 2 months
3) you had 5mb internet and 50ms lag while on ps3 you had 196ms
If anything, Steam should start charging for services too. It's unfair that PC gets the same thing for free.
Sony fans want to win so badly that they are will accept whatever bullshit sony pulls.
>>342349729
As someone mentioned in a different thread. Children nowadays accept being ripped off. Expansions are divided into multiple DLC chapters and are sold individually. Physical copies are sold for less than digital copies. There is no end to the greed of gaming publishers.
boy i can't wait for the shitstorm that happens when nintendo announces paid online
>>342350009
>>342350036
OP here. I don't blame the companies. I blame the fucking sheep that pay for it.
>>342350289
They should try just having online before making it paid.
>>342350363
GOT EM!!!
>Xbox is paid online
>PS2 is free
>hahah fuck u Microsoft
>Xbox 360 is paid online
>PS3 is free
>hahaha fuck u microshit
>Xbox One is paid online
>PS4 is free online
>w-well t-they gotta...
Why are $ony$shills so subservient to thug dominant black cocks?
>"free" games with service
>party chat
>PS4 online stepped up from PS3 in terms of latency and consitency
>higher playerbase than any platform
>no hackers
Shit, for $4 a month it's not bad. It definitely blows the fuck out of the memer Steam community, nigger-infested XBL, and Nintendo's kiddie online
Sony gives you free games for it, so it balances out.
>>342349787
>Xbox 360
Paying 5 dollars for online, lol, fuck u Microshit
>PS4
Paying 5 dollars for online, it's nothing, get a job loser, lol
>>342349729
>we
I'm a part of the PC master race. Speak for yourself, peasant.
>>342350876
>wanting as many games as possible is bad
this is why you are a peasant
>>342350619
>>"free" games with service
>>342350635
Games you can't choose and never asked for.
How the fuck can you not afford $5/month, jesus
Xbox retards made it a thing.
PS Plus wasn't bad since PS Plus offered games with it.
>>342351364
>>342350636
>Saving Ruggarell's images and pretending to be him
I honestly can't imagine anything more pathetic.
>>342350820
And now graphics don't matter because Scorpio is already set to destroy the NEO.
Sony got away with it because they were distracting people by bragging about how their new console would work like their old one.
Considering what they do with that money is actually make games with it, it's alright.
It's basically like a patreon except stuff actually comes to fruition at the end of it in the form of video games
>>342349729
>Games every month
>discounts
>Sometimes early access to shit
The value is there, stop being a manchild
You don't even pay for your internet, your mommy and daddy do
>>342349729
what if i have a gaymen's pc and i only use my 360 like twice in a month
its just not worth to pay online, it would be if I spent more time there but i just want to play some new game i buy sometimes
>>342352081
>you have to pay a monthly fee to get access to discounts
wew lad
>>342352354
you actually make savings even with the online fee included, games are discounted, then discounted further if u have ps+
>>342352590
But I already make mad savings by not paying for my online on top of paying for my online.
>you have to pay to eat the food you already paid for with your friends
>b-but you get free yogurt every month!
>>342350298
So why make this thread? You can't change anything faggot. Kills yourself
Being a fighting game fan for 20 years and still not playing online. Still enjoying SFV despite the lack of single player content.
>>342350820
Sonyponys have short term memory.
>>342349729
Because people like throwing money at shit, vide Mighty No9 or Start Citizen.
>>342349729
The ones clapping were planted shills. PS3 had free online, it's why I bought one. Now with PS4 they want me to pay and I'm not going to. I'm certainly not happy about paying to use my own goddamn internet that I'm already paying for. I just use it for patches and PS store now.
>>342350827
And then there's this one
>>342349729
Paying for online is still unacceptable, the only redeeming quality is that you can get it for 4-5$. The only good free games are now on Xbox Live, PSN has been shit for a while. And ultimately, you play online a lot? If not skip it, it's not worth it.
I subscribe to both Xbox Live Gold and PS+ and while I wish that Sony hadn't followed MS into the paid online setup, it was inevitable and Nintendo will probably do the same thing if they ever offer a service remotely comparable to Xbox Live or PSN.
Currently I pay about $70 a year for both Xbox Live gold and PS+ which sucks but I spent so much on video games that doesn't really matter that much to me.
>Paying to use your own internet connection is fine because it's cheap
Brand loyalists are fags
>>342355352
>Premium services cost money
Whoa stop the presses.
>>342355410
>Basic functionality is a premium
>>342355352
>he says while subbing to WoW
>>342350820
>sonyggers
Ban them
>>342351191
i got sunset overdrive for free a little while ago, shits pretty cash
>>342355463
>basic functionality
>500,000 incredibly low latency servers
dont kid yourself anon
>>342352354
And PSN sales wipe the floor with Steam and XBL. You pat $4 a month for $100+ in free games, discounts, and loads of cloud storage.
Quit being a poor entitled manchild
>>342355793
95% of the games on PSN and XBL are just peer to peer anon. If you were paying for dedicated servers that might be reasonable, except you're just paying for the right to matchmaking.
>console gaymers calling others poor LOOOOOOOOOOOL
>>342355901
ok yeah you're right on that, but they have to make money somehow, paid subs for microsoft and sony are the reason you don't see support for games fall off after a few years
>>342355989
Who are you quoting newfriend?
Get a PC lol
"Pc gaming is so expensive!111" - Someone who pays 2x+ the cost per game and a monthly fee for internet
>>342349729
watch /v/ applaud it when nintendo announces it with NX
>>342356037
support for online games*
>>342349995
Poor faggot is butt hurt.
>>342349729
Because the world is changing grandpa. Thankfully you have a choice as a consumer.
>>342349995
>muh NeoFAG boogeyman!
>>342356037
>but they have to make money somehow
They do that by selling games and consoles. What is that phrase even trying to indicate? That they're entitled to your money without providing a service in return?
>>342356098
>console games are more expensive
>what is redbox
>what is gamefly
>what is used games
>what is gamestop rentals
>what is PSN weekly sales
Epic meme my friend!!
People are dumb that is why. Daily reminder that if you pay for more than one online game network membership you are retarded.
the reason is money, else it would be like the old days where you hit multiplayer, p2p with someone and go.
>xbox servers are reliable
yeah fucking right, every other week at my pals xbox live is down and we have to watch fucking dvds til it comes back online.
for the record I don't know how psn have the balls to charge either, their system was utterly owned at least twice to my knowledge, they have no business charging.
ps3 is still fine though, the only thing that sucks is you don't get free games like xbox live.
>>342356275
you know what's cheaper than any of that?piracy
>>342356098
There are too many games on PC it is a sea of shit. Prove me wrong. Pro tip you can't. More of something means there is less quality.
>>342356384
YARR HARR FLIPPEDY DEEE DO WANT YOU WANT CAUSE A PIRATE IS FREE.
>>342356384
I know, my PS3 agrees.
Fuck me this thread is Neo-/v/ to the extreme.
How long will it take before /v/ starts sucking Sonys cock harder than gaf?
>>342349787
This.
>>342356432but we dont lose money if the game turns out to be shit
>>342349729
>Explain to me why did we end up in a world where paying for playing online is acceptable?
I have no idea. I've never paid for online multiplayer on a console ever, my brother has a PS4 AND an XBone and he's never paid for the online on those either.
In fact the prevalence of paid online is one of the major factors that drove me away from consoles this generation and instead take up PC gaming.
>>342356274
After trying to think of a reason for the paid sub, and the things that xbl does offer besides the dedicated servers, i can think of a single thing that xbl does that steam doesnt.
also i dont even pay for gold, i get it through game share with a buddy. i dunno why im debating this
there really is no reason for xbl to be paid but its pretty cheap so i dont mind too much
>>342356543
I didn't like the ps3 so the jokes on you.
>>342356275
>having to settle for buying games used and or renting them
Lmfao..
So what do you do when a new game like overwatch comes out? Pay $20 more? Yup.
Repeat that 10 times and add in the PS Plus™ subscription and you've already paid enough for a PC able to run any of the latest games maxed out, which your PS4 can't even do at low settings 30 fps.
Delusional console kiddies. Can't even see things as they are.
I bet you think games get you with PS Plus™ are "free"
>>342356432
"Oh no I have too many options my retarded ConsoleGamer brain can't possibly decide what I want to play, thank god I have Playstation™ to suggest games to me on my home screen :)" - u
>>342356665
Two wrongs don't make a right. How many times a year do you upgrade your PC? Genuine question no sarcasm.
If you don't understand why ain't got away with it then you're retarded. You had MS that year pretty much attempt to kill the entire used game industry and force drm out the ass.
Sony used this opportunity to be seen as the saviors of consoles. To most people what MS tried to do with the bone was worse than paying a subscription for online gaming. I blame MS almost as much as Sony for making ps+ a requirement for online play.
>>342349787
This. Give them your money, loser.
>>342356873
Phone changed Sony to ain't for some reason.
>>342356807
Okay if quantity is so great. Name 500 good games that are PC exclusive. Go on. Oh wait you can't because it is mostly shit.
>>342356873
MS made it acceptable in the first place. The early PS3 was such a blunder that people were willing to pay for Xbox Live just to get away from it.
>>342356807
>Pay $20 more?
I only buy new releases on Amazon so they're always $48.
>>342349729
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Consoles<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>>342357012
People started paying for Xbox Live 4 years before the PS3 released.
>drive across a bridge to get to the mall
>for as long as I've been alive the drive itself is free as long as I paid for my car, paid for my gas, and paid municipal taxes so the road can stay maintained
>mall unilaterally creates a toll
>"But it's okay because we'll give you Premium Parking Spaces (that are just the same parking space with an umbrella and a coupon for this shitty store you don't visit! We have to make money somehow!"
>>342349729
You get free shit with the service at least.
>>342357146
Barely.
>>342357248
>Barely.
Barely? Tons of original Xbox users paid for Xbox Live to play stuff like Halo 2 online.
>>342349729
Because the Sony ponies now justified it, therefore it's good for everyone.
>>342357246
>pay for something
"I got it free!"
>>342355847
>shills for a fucking video game company
>still plays with toys
>calls other people manchildren
Lmao the irony
>>342357307
ZE WORLD IS A STAGE MA FRAND AND WE ARE ALL ZE PLAYAZ
>>342357307
kill yourself
>>342357301
And it was still the lowest selling system of the three.
Not to mention less than a quarter of their playerbase payed for it.
Remember when people were saying Pokemon Bank was highway jewing?
>>342357479
The Gamecube sold slightly worse although Microsoft paid billions to marginally beat the Gamecube, while Nintendo still made money in their defeat.
Last time i played on an xbox i had to pay 60 dollars just to use youtube,netflix and even free to play games. I remember that shit was defended even here of all places when you criticised microsoft for it.
Blame the retarded consumers or blame microsoft for discovering how retarded consumers can be.
Because a lot of people thought it would make PSN as reliable and have as many features as XBL. They were wrong. Meanwhile I still can't change my fucking name, and XBL is rolling out two more data centres for XBL in the west, and another 50k dedicated servers for future 1st party games.
>>342357684
They finally got rid of the subscription requirement in 2014 because the PS4 didn't require PS+ to use media apps.
>>342356807
a $350 PC can play fallout 4 with better graphics and more stable frame rates than a PS4. theres a video on youtube
why do people vastly over estimate the cost of PC gaming
>>342357684
they removed that because the ps4 only requires ps+ for online play, otherwise you can never buy a ps+ subscription
sony at least does it right
>>342357690
>PSN still goes down regularly
>>342357789
who the absolute fuck gives a shit about fallout 4 though
no one on this board you dumbshit
>>342357690
>Because a lot of people thought it would make PSN as reliable and have as many features as XBL
Which was dumb. Live is where it's at because they'd been asking money for 11 years at that stage. PSN isn't gonna change for a while, if at all.
>>342349729
I have both PS+ and Live. You're not really paying for the online anymore. If anything it's a way to keep kids from infesting every game by requiring you have some kind of income to jump online with people. Think of it like showing ID at the door.
If anything the money goes to the free games. Pretty much every month the services pay for themselves with the free games you get. PS+ has been a bit lackluster lately but it's still an insane value.
>>342357690
Xbox Live has been down more than PSN over the past 12 months.
>>342357690
>defending XBL
Fucking kill yourself.
>Paying an online console tax is now a thing
I built a gaming PC that same months as soon as that was confirmed.
>>342358010
I have both. I beg to differ.
>>342358024
How did I defend XBL? I simply stated, taht at least with Gold it feels like your money is going somewhere. PSN is shit, PSN is still crap, and the games we get are even worse than before.
>>342350820
To be fair, I was like 13 when I thought Xbox gold cost too much
>>342358036
Mandatory graphics card upgrades like every 6 months costs way more than either XBL or Plus
>>342357690
>and another 50k dedicated servers for future 1st party games.
Is this like the power of the cloud? The Xbox One has been out for 3 years and there isn't a single game that uses the cloud.
meanwhile blizzdrones pay 15/mo to get the privelege to even play the game, a grinding game that requires weekly attendance, 1 month wont do shit in progression and you get no "free games". Can't even play that shit offline to level a character
>>342358129
I have both too, and XBL is fucking crap.
PSN has not been down for me ever since I used it, you piece of shit.
>>342349729
>pay 30 bucks on keysite for 12 months xbox live to play online
>get 48 games on top of it
>suddenly a bad thing.
yes, it is shit for being a subscription to use your own fucking internet and no dedicated servers for multiplayer makes it even look more shady than it already is. but you gotta be braindead retarded if you dont think this is a fucking GOAT deal for games. yes you cant choose the games but this makes it even more interesting. never would have bought sunset overdrive but this game was the best tony hawks game since thps2. never would have bought black flag but dem pirateships. dirt3, xcom2, dark souls and lots of more games i get to play for 30 bucks. come on!
>>342358129
>I have both. I beg to differ.
I have both as well, there is not a significant difference between the two services but I remember last November and December Xbox Live was down when I tried to play Halo 5 multiple times.
Also PSN's party chat has better audio quality.
>>342358183
Uh Hearthstone is free though.
>>342358170
No. It's literally as I said. Dedicated servers for first party titles, instead of P2P. Probably bought for the influx of W10 people about to join the service.
>>342349787
This desu
Just bend over and embrace the sony cooperate cock you fucking jobless loser
>>342358160
PC games more often than not are optimized for mid range computers.
Card upgrades shouldn't be that frequent.
>>342357934
lol calm yourself console friend
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DH6FCgqQB_s
theres the same PC playing GTAV and loads of other games in the related videos. theres guides and what not in the description to help you build one yourself. sell your console and save your allowance and mow some lawns for a while and then you can have a PC yourself and get over your inferiority complex :)
>it's okay when xbox does it
>>342358183
>>342358291
Also there are or used to be add ons for Peggle in WoW
>>342358251
30 bucks for 48 games with at least half of them being real retail games, steamcucks mad can only get that much buying 50 cent indies
>>342358353
>potato masher
Not even gonna bother with this clickbait shit.
>>342358251
>You can't choose if you get shit or not, this makes it interesting
I've never seen someone jump through so many hoops to justify paying to play their games online.
>>342358183
...yes, and? You're comparing one game to an entire "service" that's required to play online games at all.
If I want to play a PC game without paying an additional subscription fee there are literally millions of options. If I want to play a console game without paying an additional subscription fee there are literally zero options.
>>342358183
i wish you could level WoW characters offline, I would do it instantly
>>342357690
>Still can't change my name
>Still 6-8 hour guaranteed down time each month
>Still nothing like gamehubs
>Still capped download speeds
I don't even pay for it anymore. Bloodborne's PVP is shit anyway.
>>342358386
And it's okay when Sony does it
>paying for online whilst already paying for your Internet connection
>>342358537
Exactly
If you got job, 5 bucks a month or 60 bucks a year is nothing
Only ones that are complaining are NEETs
>>342358504
Dont go offtopic retard. My argument is 15/mo to play WoW is cancer, if it was 5/mo I would sub right fucking now
>>342358727
You do realise that it's not the price that matters right but the fact that you're paying to use your own internet that you're also paying for.
>>342358183
wow can be played free online
psn cannot
>>342358778
"Don't go offtopic retard" said the retard going offtopic.
>>342358536
>6-8 hour guaranteed down time each month
bullshit
>game hubs
This is worth bragging about? It takes 30 seconds to load when I want to check an achievement, hardly a selling point.
>>342358825
It's a harsh system yes but what can we do?
It will happen soon on PCs in a few years and spirals out of control
I mean remember paid mods? that's just the beginning
>Paying for another internet bill.
>Not building a pc and saving your hard earned money.
>Consolefags eat this shit up.
Cri moar consolefags.
>>342358894
there are no working/populated servers for draenor. Pandaria is only populated if you're russian and that's only one server.
>>342358536
>Still 6-8 hour guaranteed down time each month
This is false.
>>342358412
its not that hard buddy. you can build your own pc. dont keep looking for excuses to hold yourself back. do it today. read the description. order the parts. it was built in 2014, think what you can do with 350 bux today. i believe in you, live out your dreams
>>342358954
>It's a harsh system yes but what can we do?
Not buy into it maybe?
There's a little thing that used to exist and it was called "voting with your wallet".
>I mean remember paid mods?
You mean the thing that had instant backlash and was removed? Thanks for proving that people can actually do something.
>>342359078
i would, but there's nothing coming out for pc that i give a shit about
emulation is fucking garbage either and i would rather own the console and play natively than use emulation for anything other than screenshots
>>342358917
when you make a rebuttal and reply to my comment specifically, you're talking to me dumbfuck, I can go all day about what's free or not and costs, but I'm specifically talking about wow
>you still didnt answer my question, do you accept wow's jewish 15/mo sub or not you retard?
>>342356037
You buying their consoles and games is how they make their money.
>>342359061
you could also play retail to 19 for free, turn off exp and just pvp.
the option exist to play it for free. psn does not have that option. you pay or don't play online at all.
>>342359093
>There's a little thing that used to exist and it was called "voting with your wallet".
Then how can i play online
>Just get a PC
Already got one, still doesn't answer my question
>You mean the thing that had instant backlash and was removed?
The fact that the idea of paid mods came to existance just proves that these companies are going to go through lengths to jew you out
they will attempt something similar once everyone grows up and get jobs, causing them to think they can afford it and forgot it was free
>>342349729
We didn't know at the time bro :(
>>342359412
but you can play single player offline and beat the story on ps4, that's why I want to play "singleplayer" in wow and level up offline. Comon don't make that shit comparison
>remember diablo 3 launch zozzle "why do I have to be online to play and farm all day"
>>342359482
>Then how can i play online
You don't until they realise it's not doing anything for them and stop, that's the point.
Which leads us to the reason why local multiplayer has been phased out.
>The fact that the idea of paid mods came to existance just proves that these companies are going to go through lengths to jew you out
It doesn't change the fact that there was a large amount of backlash and it was removed once people began abusing it.
>they will attempt something similar once everyone grows up and get jobs, causing them to think they can afford it and forgot it was free
You still think this is about a lack of money don't you.
Servers aren't free
>>342359824
P2P servers are because you host them.
>>342359743
The ones who defended paid mods where people who had jobs, which is a few
Now imagine in a few years when everyone grew up and the same thing happens
>>342349729
Because consolefags have no standards.
>>342359886
>The ones who defended paid mods where people who didn't have jobs
ftfy.
They were in it to get some actual money on easy to make mods.
>Now imagine in a few years when everyone grew up and the same thing happens
Assuming they "grew up" then the cycle will repeat and see more backlash and go down the drain again.
You still aren't getting this are you.
>>342351191
This. Sony's been pretty jewy with the Plus games lately. At one point they tried to push a mediocre strategy game.
This month is NBA 2k16 and... Gone Home.
This is a fucking lame month.
>>342360092
How is 2k16 lame? Probably the best PS plus game since vanquish
>>342359886
Your stupidity and ignorance is astounding.
What would happen if Nintendo introduced paid online for NX?
>>342360092
Meanwhile xbox has goat simulator. Thanks phil.
>>342360259
they will use the "its okay when xbox/sony does it" argument
>>342357307
Oh look, another Nintendofag saying videogames are toys to justify playing your Nintendo babby shit.
>>342360259
Then it would be okay.
What hurts me the most is the fact that Sony would be getting actual criticism on this if it weren't for the fact Microsoft's Gaming Department are the dumbest minds in gaming in history. Xbone's unveiling was atrocious; the Kinect has never been good, the Kinect never became good, WHY THE FUCK DID THEY MAKE THAT THE FOCAL POINT OF THE CONSOLE?
Because of that, Sony knew with full confidence they could do a pay-for-online special, and just had to utter the words"Yeah you get free games." What's the competition, the guys who are currently being torn apart as the Orweillians of gaming?
>>342356384
I'm glad piratefags are being put on suicide watch by Denuvo
>>342360259
No one would use it just like no one bought those shitty ports on the Wii U.
>>342360259
I don't know. Maybe their online service wouldn't be a bag of dicks
>>342360304
thx for ignoring the other 3 real games, the crew, meatboy, and xcom, also e3 gaves us tekken tag 2, limbo. We also got ea access which gave us the ea titles for free two weeks, that's the only reason why battlefield has 80k players on xbox
>>342359195
Not him but your entire point is a red-herring anyway. Subscription fees for a single game have literally nothing to do with subscription fees for an entire console library.
>>342360259
They charged Pokemon players $5 a year for Pokemon bank, so they're getting there.
>>342359824
They sure aren't reliable either
>>342349729
because stupid kids that visit 4chan and are edgy will pay for anything if their (((friends))) do it
>>342356807
Overwatch is pretty much the only example of a PC game having a lower MSRP than a console game.
And I got it on Amazon for $48 and traded it in 2.5 weeks later for $36
Normies. They think they're getting a service worth paying for.
>>342360652
>Gamefreak is Nintendo
That's like saying you should blame Nintendo because Monhun tri's online was subscription based in japan.
>>342360695
that's because the game is unfinished, 2 modes, just as good as street fighter 5, but everyone dickrides overwatch
>>342358465
says the faggot who jumps on the next humble bundle and buys 4 shit games to get 1 decent game.
pathetic.
>>342360587
Thx for ignoring the other 5 games that come with psplus.
Early access is a scam. They delay the game intentionally so as to fool you into thinking youre being rewarded.
>>342360863
steam gave me nothing compared to what xbox did this week, now if you want to add cracks, well you get no mulitplayer with crackers
>>342360587
>>342349787
I know right? How on earth are these indie devs supposed to turn a profit? Jesus christ, know your place as a customer people!
>>342360907
>pay $1-4 for a good game
>sell or giveaway the rest on /v/
I don't see the problem.
>>342360652
To be fair, Pokemon bank isn't mandatory and you only really need it for transferring so it's better than the alternative of paying for a whole new system.
>>342360981
shit games, ea access gives all the sports games with nba 2k16 zozzle, gone home...talking simulator. People without a ps3 cant even play ps3 games
>>342360987
Oh yeah, now they're giving games too. At least thanks to that it makes it worth but before Live was plain bullshit.
>>342361163
Shit games on xbox.
>>342360259
if they made it so that their service resembled some sort of modern match making, social and content delivery platform it would be okay by console standards i suppose
>>342349853
When I subscribe $500 for my phone service, they give me a phone without extra charge. That I get to keep even after the subscription ends if I choose not to re-subscribe.
But if I put down $500 and go for an Xbox or a Playstation, I have to pay for the hardware itself in addition to paying for the subscription.
The whole "$5 a month" argument is ridiculous. Doesn't really matter if it's $5 a month, a cent a minute, $500 up front. It's how much you pay in total that matters.
And to just give Microsoft or Sony up to $500 or more just to be able to play online using the internet service you already pay your internet service provider for, is ridiculous.
I bet you would also give them money just for the privilege of being able to play used games as well. For as long as it's just a small fee each month, right? Yeah, thought so.
Because maintaining platform wide online services is expensive.
>>342360259
Then it becomes the overwhelming standard of the console industry.
And at that point it's only a matter of time before it finds its way into Windows and or Steam.
>having to pay a separate fee on each given gaming platform respectively
B-but it's cheap! Y-you aren't p-poor right!?
>>342361586
You understand that Sony and microsoft's online is using a lot more than just your own internet, right? Remember when either service went down? How did you think that happens if it uses just your internet?
>>342362272
Hmm, I wonder how they do it on PC then.
I like to consider it as a "our online games will actually have decent servers" tax. Or a "you wont have to trouble shoot your console for 3 hours every time you get a new AAA game like you do with a PC" tax.
>>342349729
>Says the guy browsing 4chan on his "free" $50 bucks a month internet
>>342362546
They dont. A huge amount of pc games have to work out their own service for online games and wind up doing things like leasing out to companies like what GameSpy was to manage their online.
There is no real unified platform on oc.
>>342362780
Also, valve has little incentive to shake up their business model with steam as is when they are taking such a huge cut from game sales.
>$50 a year
>free games and shit, good discounts
Poverty must suck
>>342362450
You do understand that they are literally barring you from using your own connection to play games right?
>>342363163
Did you even read that post?
>>342362450
>You understand that Sony and microsoft's online is using a lot more than just your own internet, right?
You understand that most online games don't actually use their Microsoft's/Sony's services, right?
Fucking indies without publishers can maintain online. But that's too much for Sony and Microsoft. No, no, it's impossible unless people pay extra, right?
Online literally wasn't possible before Microsoft and Sony started charging for it. Right, right.
>>342363249
The post is full of shit you can't do a thing online without their service. Even when the game doesn't even use their personal servers.
Where did all the xbots who defended their paywall go before they got their "free" games?
Now that pc users get to enjoy live with dedicated servers for free on microsofts first party lineups. Plus you can change your name for free as much as you want. When did it suddenly change to all about the "free" games?
>>342363384
There isn't a single online game on their platforms that doesn't in some way use their online services, even if just for matching.
Also, the costs for an indie developer, alone, to host their one game that will have a minor player base online is in no way close to the costs of handling an entire platforms worth of games, or multiple platforms with of games, with millions of players.
The indie has to eat it because he wants his one game to sell, but he can because the cost for his ONE game is small, let alone that he isn't also dealing with all the online social cap Sony or Microsoft have to with their online systems that run all the time even outside of games.
>>342363446
That's because you get matched and the games get set up through the services you ding dong. That was the whole point of that post.
>>342363775
>That's because you get matched and the games get set up through the services you ding dong.
>set up through the services
And you're justifying that?
>>342363862
>bawwwww it only uses my internet!
>bawwwww it uses some of their stuff too!
>>342350635
Microsoft has been giving free games with the subscription service since like 2014.
>>342363970
>>bawwwww it uses some of their stuff too!
The problem is that it doesn't need to use it, it's literally only there just so you have to pay for their service.
Literally the only thing it achieves is locking you out of the online content.
>>342363684
>There isn't a single online game on their platforms that doesn't in some way use their online services, even if just for matching.
There is no fucking excuse to block online from online games using peer to peer protocols. No fucking excuse.
Sony and Microsoft take a lot of expense and effort off of devs to run this stuff. If they weren't doing it we'd have a lot wonkier of an online system on consoles than we do, higher costs for developers, and probably more games going offline and closing services sooner.
Doing this requires a lot of hardware, space, and full time employees. All of this costs a lot of money. People point at indie pc games online and go "well they did it" but that's not even close to the same amount of work or cost as maintaining psn or xbl.
>>342364423
>If they weren't doing it we'd have a lot wonkier of an online system on consoles than we do, higher costs for developers, and probably more games going offline and closing services sooner.
And yet there are indie devs with better online services than them.
Hell even assbackwards Nintendo has more consistent online.
Stop being an idiot and just realise they're taking money out of your pocket for no reason.
>>342364408
If the game had you locally configuring a game and sending specific players a code or something to connect, manually, sure. Otherwise, you aren't just using p2p.
Also, you don't understand the scale of this. It's not ONE game at a time. It's literally every game.
>>342364546
See
>>342364423
You are making an apples to oranges comparison.
>>342364671
>It's literally every game.
You mean like EVERY ONLINE GAME TO EXIST?
There's literally no way you can justify this.
>>342349729
Xbox was already doing it and so PS decided to do it. Now the great thing is that PS+ was already a thing where you get free games and discounts and the savings/free content already gave you your moneys worth. So when the pay for online thing happened, for many people it just didn't matter cause nothing changed.
>>342364790
>this company rented servers to run their one game with a couple hundred concurrent players, it's totally the same as managing a unified online system across 3 systems and thousands of games with millions of players and features outside of just gameplay!
>>342365051
So you know what they should have done?
Not tie things to the games. Literally solves every problem.
>>342364671
>It's not ONE game at a time. It's literally every game.
And yet every game doesn't use the fucking servers. And even among games that do, there are games that have options that do not. And yet you can't do shit with the games unless you pay that extra fee just because Sony or Microsoft wants extra money.
A third of Sony's net profit is from fucking PS+ subscriptions. Their profit. And it was just about the only thing related to the Xbox brand that didn't bleed money.
These subscriptions are no mere make ends meet kind of deal where they just cover the server expenses. They are just holding online hostage to rake in as much money as they possibly can. Even if we are talking about games that as stated do not even fucking use their fucking servers.
>>342365051
Here's the thing though: they don't have to. It's entirely their choice. It's not a choice for the players, who have no option to opt-out. It's entirely one massive make-work project that the consumer is required to buy in to.
>>342365170
So you wanted them to not have an online system, for a console, in 2016 and just told the devs to figure it out?
>>342365051
>, it's totally the same as managing a unified online system across 3 systems and thousands of games with millions of players and features outside of just gameplay!
Except that not every game relies on Sony and Microsoft's personal servers you retard and that's the point. The only thing it does is bar you from going online.
>>342365276
>muh always online
>it's [current year], get with the times
>what do you mean you just want to play single-player, it's [current year] so you should play multi-player all the time
>>342365276
Considering the developers just work it out themselves anyway and the service doesn't do a thing aside from block entry to online content?
Yes. The only thing that will happen is that we get online while keeping our money.
>>342359061
It's called paying your sub with gold, mate.
>>342365457
This, to be honest.
>>342349729
Sorry Im a pc+nintendo user, What are you talking about?
>>342365513
The developers don't just figure it out anyway, they actually save a lot of time and expense just setting up for psn and xbl.
If you wanted those extra costs dumped on developers we'd probably see a lot more nickel and diming for content as a result.
>>342365457
That post said nothing about games being always online to work, or wanting games to not have single player
>>342365703
>The developers don't just figure it out anyway
Except they do, PSN and XBL is just tacked on and they see a pittance of the money from it.
>>342356807
For a PC that will last you the same amount of years a console will.
The PC will cost way more than a console.
If you believe that even tho a poor mans computer is better then you are a PCuck and are just as bad as a consolegamer.
>>342356275
Only 6 months- 1 year old games are discounted on sales. PC gets a 50% discount literally before release.
>used games
>rentals
>Selling you library kek
>>342365703
>The developers don't just figure it out anyway, they actually save a lot of time and expense just setting up for psn and xbl.
Only if they add forced multi-player and always-online bullshit to games that don't need it.
>If you wanted those extra costs dumped on developers we'd probably see a lot more nickel and diming for content as a result.
Yeah because that's totally not the case now. Corporations want as much money as possible, they'll nickle and dime us as much as they think they can get away with.
>>342365867
You don't know what it takes to actually run online games.
The tech idiocracy of console gamers is just shocking to a /g/ fag like me
>>342365950
Coming from the person that thinks XBL and PS+ have changed anything when you're getting the exact same quality as when it was free.
>>342365950
>You don't know what it takes to actually run online games.
People have been running private gaming servers for longer than you probably exist
I don't really have a problem with paying for the online services.
I do however, have a problem with paying for services which so often perform like absolute shit. Not to mention I still can't even get a name change on PSN, even though they can clearly do it as they do it for every offensive name.
>>342365890
>For a PC that will last you the same amount of years a console will.
>The PC will cost way more than a console.
You shouldn't pay $500~ for a PC. It'll last you just about the same time as a console and it's a particularly cost effective purchase.
Instead you should aim around twice that at around $1000~.
Yes it's more expensive, but that point your PC ought to last about two to three times that of a console. Meaning that when people hop onto the PS5 and whatever comes after the Scorpio, your PC will still compete. And when those systems are left behind, your PC will still have a use.
>this thread
Reminder to report anything resembling a system war thread on sight.
>>342366827
>Literally DELETE THIS: The post
>>342366827
But it isn't a system war.
They just so happen to be the two companies pushing a totally unnecessary service.
>>342350635
i'm a sonyfag, but this doesnt help our case. every fucking game is a twinstick shooter. i'd rather get a season pass to how i met your mother than play that garbage tier shit. i don't even download that shovelware anymore
>>342351191
>Games you can't choose and never asked for.
And don't even get to keep. I hate having to pay to play online, so I in no way want to pay for PS+ more than necessary. But then I lose all my """""free games""""" so I end up not even subscribing to PS+ in the first place.
>>342367725
Wait so if you claim he free games then stop renewing, you can no longer play them?
>>342367135
If your talking about recently Dead Star, fuuuuuuuuuck you, that game is great team babiesfirstMOBA.
>>342367856
Yep, it's literally just a glorified rental service.
>>342349787
>he pays for internet TWICE
fucking dumbass, this is why i have a 2k gaming pc.
>waaah do you mean I have to pay for things
>>342368510
>>waaah do you mean I have to pay for things that shouldn't be there in the first place and in no way affect the quality of my online service
ftfy
>>342358407
I got the thq pack with 80 games for 20 bucks years ago, as well as several other ones i cant remember. 374 steam games nigga.
>>342367939
didnt even play it cause we had like 5 come out before that.
>helldivers
>galakz
so there were 2 before Dead Star but still. Microsoft gives out Sunset Overdrive. We get twin stick shooters
The bonus games for 360 were great because you kept them even if your subscription ran out.
>>342349729
>Xbox
>A giant middle finger to gamers
>No fucking bonuses
>Shitty network that will never get fixed
>Ran by corporate jews
>PS
>Free fucking games, FREE
>Discounts on games
>A very reliable network that has improved alot
>Most features aren't locked behind a paywall
>Pro consumer
Hmmmm I wonder...
>>342368661
>waaah im this poor
>>342349729
t. Autistic PCuck
Like most things wrong with gaming today, you can blame Microsoft. Sony just saw how fucking profitable the business model was for over a decade and decided to copy it. By the way, I've had a PS4 since launch and I've literally never paid a cent for online because I'm not a retard who plays multiplayer games, and if I did, I wouldn't play them on a console. If you play multiplayer shit so much that you feel the need to whine and cry like a baby over $50 a year, which is less than one new game, buy a PC and pirate everything like the poorfag filth you are.
>>342368930
>Free fucking games, FREE
So does Xbox. You can keep them if you unsubscribe too
>Discounts on games
Xbox too
>A very reliable network that has improved alot
Still not as stable as XBL
>Most features aren't locked behind a paywall
$ony locks fucking demos behind paywalls
>Pro consumer
Can't even change your name
I dropped the idea of buying the PS4 the moment that announcement appeared on the screen. I'll never buy any console that charges for generic multiplayer. It's also the reason I've never bought any xbox
>>342368930
>>PS
>>Free fucking games that no one wants to play on a rental service, if you don't pay you don't play
>>Discounts on games
>>A very unstable network that disconnects often
>>All online play is locked behind a pay wall
>>anti consumer lacking very basic functions such as name changing
>Also run by corporate jews
There's only one single positive and it's not even worth it for what it's taking away.
>>342369145
>haha he doesn't want to burn his money for nothing
>laugh at him he must be poor!
Burning money is so much fun. It burns so vividly in the flames and the smell is just beautiful.
Don't tell me you aren't burning your money in the fireplace right now. It's such good fun and you aren't poor, are you?
>>342369525
>Im really this poor
>>342369245
>You can keep them if you unsubscribe too
Only on the 360. They lock if you don't have Gold on the Xbone.
>>342369245
>So does Xbox. You can keep them if you unsubscribe too
Oh wow fucking Ass Creed and those "exclusive" Xbone indie games nobody gave a shit about. btw Sony wont remove your free games now if you unsubscribe, fuck off.
>Xbox too
Let me guess, 10% off on fucking Battlefield 4?
>Still not as stable as XBL
>implying
>was down a shit ton of times in November and December
>M$ probably didn't even refund shit
>Even Snoop Dogg went Sony because he was tired of Live being down constantly
Good one, fucking retard.
>$ony locks fucking demos behind paywalls
RE7 is a fucking exclusive sneak peak you cuck. What other game did it? Tell me.
>Can't even change your name
I kind of agree with this one but maybe you should think twice before taking a fucking retarded name you stupid cuck.
>>342368930
>>Pro consumer
You are beyond brainwashed, or a paid shill.
How about instead of arguing whose cancer is less cancerous, perhaps you should just trash the very notion of putting online play behind paid subscription paywalls?
>>342349729
i decided to put the cost of a ps4 into upgrading my pc and kept my ps3 for this reason.
>>342349787
>Stop being an entitled baby and get a fucking job.
I don't like the idea of paying 5$ to play online when i barely have time to play. Feels like a waste of money
>>342366119
>The tech idiocracy of console gamers is just shocking to a /g/ fag like me
my favorite is when people who use windows give others shit for buying into closed platforms
>All these "$5 a month is nothing" posts
Ok, then why the fuck don't they sell 1 months anymore?Except Sony when it's fucking $10 a month, on their online store.
>>342369694
>Oh wow fucking Ass Creed and those "exclusive" Xbone indie games nobody gave a shit about. btw Sony wont remove your free games now if you unsubscribe, fuck off.
Have you even looked at the shit you get on Sony systems?
There's absolutely nothing of worth. Even the indies are just shitty shooters and what not.
>Let me guess, 10% off on fucking Battlefield 4?
As opposed to 10% on Fifa?
>>Still not as stable as XBL
>implying
>was down a shit ton of times in November and December
>M$ probably didn't even refund shit
>Even Snoop Dogg went Sony because he was tired of Live being down constantly
Flip and toss to Sony because all of it but Snoop apply to them too.
>RE7 is a fucking exclusive sneak peak you cuck. What other game did it? Tell me.
>paying
>for a DEMONSTRATION
Are you retarded or what?
>I kind of agree with this one but maybe you should think twice before taking a fucking retarded name you stupid cuck.
So the consumer should be punished because they had a change of heart the next day?
Sonycucks.
>>342370085
How about you calm down and take that M$ dick out of your mouth.
>>342350298
>calling people sheep
What's it like being 16?
>>342349729
No amount of whining about it is going to make Microsoft or Sony change their policy at this point, so you might as well just dust off your gaming PC, and shut the Hell up, and enjoy your video games.
>>342349729
>Explain to me why did we end up in a world where paying for playing online is acceptable?
Because companies exist to make as much of a profit as possible.
Explain to me why sony fans clapped with enthusiasm when Sony announced it instead of booing?
They were fooled by the decent playstation plus games they were getting at first.
>What's happening /v/?
Video games turned into a serious industry in the west, and only keeps growing.
>>342370224
Nigger I don't even have an Xbox. Both are equally as shit.
>>342370224
What expression is this?
>$50 a year for Microsoft.
>$50 a year for Sony.
>Soon $50 a year for Nintendo.
$150 a year just to be able to use the internet service you're already paying for.
I dont pay for it . I dont support it. Im just forced to play single player games i guess.
i would build a pc if had money
>>342370654
Aids apparently
>>342367978
That's just made me slightly salty about it.
>>342370847
>implying anyone would pay for nintendo online
come on even if they gave wii u ports every month no one but fags at neogaf will pay for it.
.---
on topic .
i hate this shit, literally only reason i dont buy consoles this gen. This so unacceptable , i cant believe some people say lol its just 5$ stop being bitch. Its not about money , thats so dumb they dont allow you to play games online. %99 of games doesnt even servers. Fuck actually Titanfall is only one i remember has it. Most of them are P2P.
Servers doesnt cost nickel, and if they cost so much why they arent priced on pc? they already get server money from game itself price.
Why would anyone with a fucking rational brain would support these is beyond me.
You can pay it ,but there is no reason to say "muh servers,muh free games".
Also most funny thing about this are these new W10 games. You cross play with Xbox users at games like Forza 3, you just buy game, while other dude has to pay also Internet 2 *(50$) .
And its likely you will buy much cheaper on pc via deals. not mentioning you will get better graphics,mods,periphal support etc.
just
>>342370847
Eh, Nintendo are on thin ice as it is and I don't think they're that far gone just yet. That would be the straw that breaks the camels back in their situation.
Luckily they have Amiibo to fall back on instead.
>>342349787
>>342349853
It's not the price that matters, it's that you get next to nothing for it. Yes, you get free games now, but if you stop shelling out that cash you can say goodbye to any of the games you already got FOR MONEY.
5 bucks a month is literally nothing. Get a fucking job, you crybabies.
>>342373020
If it's nothing, then pay for me.
>>342373020
Go ahead and buy that $10 000 gaming PC right now anon!
It's just 5 bucks a month! Literally nothing!
Don't you want to experience gaming at its best? You aren't poor, are you?
>>342373020
>Paying for a service that doesn't enhance the quality of what they're providing just to play a game you already purchased on the connection you're paying for
Wow.
This is a failed timeline
>>342373283
>people still thinking a good gaming PC costs more than 800 dollars
>>342374040
>a good
But if it's so cheap, why stop at good?
Don't tell me you're poor.
>another 'waah why should I have to pay for stuff' thread
Nice going OP
>>342374763
>Putting things that cost nothing behind a paywall is fine because "lol ur just poor"
>>342374763
Why not pay for the privilege of being able to play used games then?
It limits the amount of kids playing online games. Even if its only a small percentage that are locked out I will always be okay with it because of this.
>>342356807
You know that even when you buy games on Steam, you're only renting the digital license, right?
>>342375295
If you break it down to legal terms it's the same with all software, including physical console games.
In practical terms that's not how it works.
>>342375276
Actually. It limits students in the 18-25 range the most.
Children get subscriptions from their parents who have stable jobs no fuss.
>>342375650
>it's the same with all software, including physical console games
Regardless, someone with a physical copy of a game on a disc that doesn't require an internet connection to play owns their game more than someone who has a Steam folder that requires a DRM client connected to the internet to even run.
>>342375276
Wrong, kids can get their parents to pay. If anything it's enabling them.
>>342375969
>What is offline mode
>>342376238
If you have to set your DRM client into "Offline Mode" to activate and play your games instead of just yanking the ethernet out, you don't actually own the game.
>>342350009
You can't blame a retard for being a retard. It's just who they are.
These people taking advantage of retards though? That's just fucked up.
>ms made paid online acceptable
>nintendo will inevitably fold
it's not fair, lads
>>342376382
You don't have to change the setting beforehand. In the case of an unexpected network outage you can still enable Offline Mode.
>>342376690
Then why make it a "Mode"? That just implies that playing the games you buy offline isn't something they intend for you to do, and it's seen as a mistake when it does happen. Unless your ethernet is unplugged, you're still online.
>>342376505
Except the retards are in the majority
>>342349853
its basically $4 a month.
I got mine on sale for $39.99. Thats $3.5 a month. If you are too poor you can stand outside a grocery store and ask for a quarter every other day and still come up with a surplus at the end of the month.
>>342376981
Because it also disables social features.
>>342377164
>still thinking it's about money
God, you people are retarded. No wonder you bought into this scam.
>>342349729
Online is shit anyway, just don't pay for it.
>>342377335
So like I said, you're not really offline, you're just appearing as offline to other people. Which proves that playing the games you buy offline isn't something they intend for you to do.
>>342377364
Then talk with your wallet and stay offline. We dont need people like you online.
>>342377585
If you weren't meant to have the ability to play offline it wouldn't be programmed in.
>tfw Steam could start charging for online and we'd have nowhere to run since they own our game collections, not us
>>342377678
But you just said it's programmed as a precaution against dropped connections and power outages. They don't intend for you to play your games offline.
>>342377920
Given that offline mode lasts indefinitely, I disagree.
Maybe they'd rather I join in their stupid steam community and trade cards or whatever it is they do, but that doesn't matter. If I were to lose internet connection permanently my library would be going nowhere.
explain to me how we end up in a world where paying $300 for pixels is acceptable
>>342377752
>GoG
>>342349729
Dude, if you can't afford the 5 dollars just be a damn man about and play whatever is available offline or get a pc.
>>342378257
Most publishers don't support GoG and will never support DRM free stores.
Stop being poor
>>342349729
>sony fans clapped with enthusiasm
What? When did this happen retard?
>>342349729
>why did we end up in a world where paying for playing online is acceptable?
Because PCucks were doing this since 90s
>>342378246
Regardless, Steam is set up in a way that being online 24/7 is expected.
>>342378815
but consolefags have to pay for it twice
>you mean I have to pay for stuff???!!
Video game companies have discovered best how to exploit human's tribalistic tendencies to milk the consumer. Most people who play video games have slightly below average IQ. It's not hard to manipulate the dumb goyim into paying 5 dollars for online. It's all too easy.
>>342379014
>paying for nothing
I paid for all my friend's PS+ subscriptions
I bought them all PS4s
I love Sony and will support them as much as possible.
I only buy Sony TVs and headphones
Down with Nintendo and Microsoft and fuck PC. Sony already killed Sega consoles but they still have more work to do and thus I will make sure they have a monopoly.
>>342378843
Who cares what's expected man? There's no hindrance to being offline.
>>342378940
Are you just too young to remember how many online PC games used to cost $20 or more a month just to play them? Even with this recent XBL/PSPlus trend it still happened WAY more on PC. There are people who have probably spent more than someone would on ten years of XBL just with WoW subscriptions. One fucking game, vs every game on Xbox and at a significantly cheaper price.
>>342379116
>electricity, servers, and maintenance are nothing
Kill yourself. The best argument for "free" online is that the cost is low enough that it can be covered by the revenue from game sales.
>>342379252
"MMO" is not synonymous with "PC game"
>>342349787
>>342349853
>>342349914
I know its b8 but
>psssh what's wrong? Can't afford the $5 to be taken advantage of? Suckers
>>342378940
PCucks have to do it twice in 90s too.
First, it was because the first Xbox paraded playing online as the next step in gaming, and implied it was only possible by paying to play the games online on console.
Then during the DRM scandal, people started preordering the PS4 in droves out of sheer hatred for Microsoft's idiocy. By the time it was brought to attention that online wasn't free on the PS4, nobody bothered to care because you could play used games on the PS4, and even play games offline on the PS4. The fact that people saw those options as fucking unbelievable is what rocketed the PS4 to winning the generation early, due to Microsoft's failures. Sony saw the failing that the Xbox One's launch had caused, and they decided to capitalize on it. The market had already stabbed Microsoft for their betrayal, Sony simply started twisting the knife. Sony is now drunk with power, and everyone should expect the Neo to try something jewish and stupid, showing how arrogant Sony has become with its PS4 sales win streak.
>>342379289
>electricity, servers, and maintenance are nothing
You mean the cost that's covered by the revenue everything else brings in?
Also why can Nintendo, a smaller company than both Sony and Microsoft, host their own servers for free while they cant?
>>342379356
Yes it is.
>>342379223
No you didn't
>>342379530
okay
>>342379289
What servers? Most online games are P2P.
>>342379442
>You mean the cost that's covered by the revenue everything else brings in?
Did you even read my full comment before responding?
>>342379442
>nintendo mp
Ugh
>>342379658
Nintendo online multiplayer has proven itself to be more reliable than Microsoft's.
Compare Splatoon to MCC.
>>342378253
But people do it in irl too though.They buy expensive sports cars, unnecessary jewelry, expensive clothing all sorts of shit just so they can show off and think those things will fill their void.
>>342379356
They were until very, very recently. PC gamers used to gloat about MMOs. I think any kind of online subscription is retarded, but don't act like it's a console specific problem when this shit has been standard practice on whole GENRES of PC games since the 90s. Whether you like it or not, one of these dumb console multiplayer passes for a year is like $200 less than a full year of WoW. It's objectively a better deal.
PC also has way more DLC/cashgrab shit, like those CS:GO skins. When you look at the best sellers on Steam half of what comes up in the first few pages is DLC.
>>342379658
>Splatoon online
>90% of the players are japanese
>Nearly never suffer lag or time outs
Yeah, like that guy said. Why can Nintendo have online multiplayer for free, in rather decent condition, while the other two need to charge for it?
>>342379770
Come the fuck on
>>342359023
>Not building a pc
>paying 700$ to play indie shit and delayed console ports
No
>>342379014
>>342379289
>PS3 was free to play online
>Sony introduced it to the PS4
>NOTHING IS FREE, WHY ARE YOU SURPRISED YOU HAVE TO PAY??
stop defending being fucked in the ass, holy shit what is wrong with consolefags
>>342379823
>clothes
>jewelry
>vehicles
>the same as a FUCKING DIGITAL VIDEO GAME WEAPON TEXTURE
>>342379926
>no regional filters
>peer to peer connection
>japanese players always shoot their guns after death or around corners
>>342380023
>Useless aesthetic tat is different if it's IRL
>>342379918
Name 5 popular PC games besides WoW that had monthly membership fees
>>342379950
Not that guy, but its the truth.
I've had the same internet since before getting Splatoon, and while the online had problems at first, I haven't had any real issues in a while. Splatoon online is top notch, even when most of the players are japanese.
>>342349787
years ago you faggots laughed at xdrones for this. what the hell happened to this place
>>342380023
It's the same useless thing like this gentleman said >>342380113
>>342380054
Hasn't happened for me in the last six months. Get better internet bro.
>>342380113
Yes, buying cars, clothing, and jewelry you can actually own and make use of is different than buying a fucking digital texture
Are you really arguing that buying overpriced clothing is the same as a FUCKING DIGITAL VIDEO GAME WEAPON TEXTURE? You can wear clothes, you can't do anything with that shit.
>>342380149
What for?
So we don't play with Cyka Blyats and HueHues all fucking day
>>342380054
Chances are if you're experiencing lag it's your own shitty connection.
>>342380446
I'm saying that the kind of trash people waste thousands of dollars on which has no purpose outside of showing off is useless either way.
>>342380372
>>342380536
Better internet doesn't change Japan's inherent ping advantage.
>>342380149
Ultima Online and Everquest. I'm not going to count games that dropped the subscription model, but that would at add up to probably a dozen.
>>342357789
>a $350 PC
You mean used one?
>>342380491
why 4chan doesnt make memberships with money so we dont have to read your fag opinions
>>342380491
>>342380015
>stop defending being fucked in the ass
I'm not defending it dipshit. Read my comment again. I simply said that *someone* has to pay for online because servers are not free, are not powered by free electricity, and are not maintained by technicians who work for free.
>>342380603
A physical, tangible, usable product is always less useless than a fucking collection of pixels on a video game weapon model.
>>342380790
You're right but neither is a good investment
>>342360167
Pretty lame for people that don't care about sports at all.
>>342380760
They got that covered from game actual price.
then is that console gamers who pays for servers at PC too?
lol
t-thanks console gamers for paying us
>>342380760
Which servers exactly?
It would be somewhat justified if you got low latency dedicated servers for your money. I'd still be a little miffed that I can't play P2P but whatever, I get an improvement for my investment.
I get nothing how things are.
>>342380664
every single game on consoles is $5 a month (if you pay $60 a year)
>>342380291
Neofags
>>342380917
>subhuman ESL
No wonder you play on PC, you can't afford the subhuman tax on consoles.
>>342380446
It represents the same thing you can buy a Mercedes but you buy Ferrari, you can buy a 40 bucks Nike sweatpants but you buy 500 bucks JCrew sweatpants, don't play dumb.
>>342357789
>why do people vastly over estimate the cost of PC gaming
Because when PC gamers talk, they normally talk about their gtx 970s and mechanical keyboards and shit. Toaster fags are a minority.
>>342380896
>people that don't care about sports at all.
Sales of sports games disproves that.
>>342381152
>Toaster fags are a minority.
You'd be surprised
>>342356037
i can't help myself. you're incredibly retarded. it's because of people like you that it's considered acceptable to pay for a free service
>>342380760
>Servers are not free
>Nintendo's servers are free
>???
Its pretty clear to anybody with half a brain that the choice to charge for online is a choice the companies make, not one that they have to do.
So the phrase "servers are not free" as reasoning to allow paying for online isn't a valid argument.
The correct response would be "Sony decided to not let their servers be free"
>>342380917
>They got that covered from game actual price.
Which was included in my comment. >>342379289
>The best argument for "free" online is that the cost is low enough that it can be covered by the revenue from game sales.
>>342381056
>Which servers exactly?
Xbox Live legitimately has hundreds of thousands of servers. IDK about the PSN though.
WoW still costs 15 shekels a month but it's okay because you NEET grind your gold right guys
>>342381321
Nintendo has no games running on dedicated servers, everything is peer to peer.
>>342381421
Neither does Sony or Microsoft if you're going with that reasoning.
>>342381371
>why do you think it's okay to pay extra for online you already pay an ISP for? especially considering the fact that the previous gen console did not charge extra for this?
>W-WORLD OF WARCRAFT!
>>342381421
And Sony or Microsoft cannot do this as well because???
>>342381321
I want all you fucking subhuman BRs and Russians who can't read to be rangebanned from /v/. Let me restate for the third fucking time what I said.
>The best argument for "free" online is that the cost is low enough that it can be covered by the revenue from game sales.
Nintendo's servers are not free. The cost is included in your games.
>Its pretty clear to anybody with half a brain that the choice to charge for online is a choice the companies make
Moving the goalposts, nobody ever denied this.
>not one that they have to do.
Nobody ever said this.
>>342381516
I can't speak for Sony because I don't own any of their consoles, but the majority of Bone games run on dedis.
>>342381354
Not game servers though.
Take the Halo collection. Microsoft promised there would be dedicated servers. That was bullshit.
Like I said. Paying for dedicated game servers is acceptable. MMOs do it. PSN/XBL do not.
>>342381371
There are much more online paid games on PC desu
>>342350289
>implying people play Nintendo shit online other than shittoon
>>342381586
do you even have a point to make?
>>342381547
because on piss3 my games download at like dial up speed and on x360 my games download at 60MBPS
>>342381586
>Nintendo's servers are not free. The cost is included in your games.
So why can't this be achieved with other companies? Why do they have to jew you especially when they're currently doing better here with more expensive games?
>>342381692
>what is smash and mario kartand thats all
>>342381586
I wasn't the same guy you were talking to this about for the whole thread. So I will just respond with "ok".
>>342381641
Everything in Halo 5, except for the campaign, is on a server.
If you pay for P2P you are genuinely retarded. Ergo, if you pay for PSN or Xbox Live you are retarded.
End of story.
>>342381692
And Smash
And Xenoblade
And Mario Kart
And Pokken
And Mario Maker.
>>342381070
>every single game on consoles is $5 a month
Not each, you retard. You're only proving my point that PC did this worse and much earlier than consoles. And who started the subscription shit on consoles? Take a guess.
PC started this shit, got it on consoles as well, and then finally started getting rid of it in favor of DLC-stuffed free to play shit, which I'm sure will make it's way to consoles when the PS5 and Xbox 840 are out.
>>342381912
I wasn't aware of that. That's good, but it's hardly systemwide, and Sony have a bad track record for this.
>>342381721
Do you? You move the goalposts every time you respond to me.
>>342355626
Really though it's a nice bonus since they would just charge for the online anyway. Neither console has great games for free every month but I've snagged some good games I may not have gotten otherwise
>>342360981
All the games with gold games are playable on xbone, did sony add backwards compatibility for ps3 or vita when I wasnt looking? wow they really are #4thegaymers
>paying to use your internet again even though you already pay an internet bill
>using the poorfag argument when you're literally playing on the poorfags platform
o i am laffin
>>342379540
no shit, retard.
>>342381992
>Not each, you retard.
>PC started this shit because of WoW, despite you not needing to pay to play any other game online and disregarding the majority portion of PC gamers who do not play MMOs
okay
>>342382130
>did sony add backwards compatibility for ps3 or vita when I wasnt looking?
Nope, they're still locked to that shitty streaming service.
>>342382182
I agree, master race brother! Only those foolish console peasants would dream of paying a separate fee to play a game online!
*tips WoW sub*
>>342349729
Jokes on you, I still play for free on ps3 but I have plus anyway because of the games I getto play every month
>>342381789
>So why can't this be achieved with other companies?
Because Nintendo's online services are a joke. You have to compare equivalent services to compare the price.
>>342381949
>pooken wut
>xenoblade
doesnt even have mp
>mario maker
doesnt even have mp
only thing online is smash and mario kart.
which nobody would justify paying on them.
>>342380291
Sonyggers and Neofags have never been good people
Nothing has changed except the circumstances
>>342382071
Which goalposts were moved?
Someone said the best argument for "free" is that the cost is covered in the price of games.
Someone asked why that is not the case.
You continue to reiterate that the cost could be covered in the price of games.
>>342382380
The PS3 did not charge extra.
>$5 a month is cheap! Stop complaining about it!
This is not a acceptable response to a question.
Nintendo doesn't charge for online. The other two do. Why can't the other companies make it free as well?
>Nintendo is free because its peer to peer with no servers.
Ok. Why can't the other two companies do that too?
>Nintendo takes the money for their servers out of the game costs.
Ok. Why can't the other two companies do that too?
>Sony and Microsoft need the money because servers aren't free.
Yet for Nintendo they are. Whether they are servers, peer to peer, or ass to ass, they are free. And Sony and Microsoft can't do the same because?
Can someone in the thread please give a actual response that doesn't boil down to buzzwords, hatred, or a response that can just be responded to with "then why can't Sony and Microsoft do that too?" when it comes to Nintendo being able to let people play online without charging them?
>>342382350
I'm not a poorfag, but I fucking hate 15/mo to play one game, that's some serious jew shit especially when the gamehas less than 1 million players playing it right now, it's gonna skyrocket back to 7 million in 2 months because of blizzdrones like myself
>>342349787
Steam
>plenty of features
>allows me to download a 20 GB game in a few minutes
>not hacked or DDOSed on a regular basis
>free
PSN+
>no features that Steam doesn't have
>substantially slower
>frequently compromised, gave away countless CC numbers
>$5 a month. Pay up, sucker
They charge for it because they know you're their lapdog and you would never do anything to hurt them. Sony is your sugar daddy.
Same goes for MS. The online tax should be a violation of consumer law.
>>342382440
>Which goalposts were moved?
When you repeatedly accused me of defending paid online.
>>342382381
>doesnt even have mp
Except it does. Play the game before you shitpost.
>doesnt even have mp
Online nigga
Also you didn't even specify multiplayer until now.
>>342382476
>>Nintendo is free because its peer to peer with no servers.
>Ok. Why can't the other two companies do that too?
They do.
Nintendo's online services are fucking awful by the way.
>>342382476
the only real answer is "because I'm fine being fucked in the ass as long as I still get to pay $60 for exclusives"
and nobody wants to answer that. the only answer you're going to get is cognitive dissonance, strawmanning, memes, and finally nothing.
>>342382562
>>not hacked or DDOSed on a regular basis
I'm a PCuck as well, but lets not be delusional.
>>342382761
>a single attack
>regularly
pls keep giving me 15/mo you blizzdrones, this game will never be free or 5/mo you cucks
>Tfw you were the only one booing the fuck out of sony when you were watching from your computer
I seriously cant fathom why people accepted this bullshit.
How the fuck could we even get rid it endless microsoft did first.
If they did I would switch consoles in a heart beat.
>>342382671
>Nintendo's online services are fucking awful by the way.
And yet they're still the same quality as Sony and Microsoft.
Must be nice knowing that your money is making things "better" huh.
>>342382217
Great strawman, but no. Ultima Online started this shit, and it just kept going from there. Microsoft made a console that was just a PC with a custom OS, and they brought the cancerous subscription shit with them. The "B-but no one plays MMOs!" argument isn't valid, because games like WoW wouldn't be so insanely successful if they didn't. The subscription garbage is a PC practice brought to consoles, and now that PC has replaced that for free-to-play-but-not-really mobile game style microtransactions, it's suddenly hip to act like paying $50 a year to play console games online is the worst thing ever. You don't know what you're talking about because you haven't been alive long enough to have first-hand experience.
>>342382671
>Nintendo's online services are fucking awful by the way.
I have no problems playing Mario Maker, Splatoon, and MK8 online, so I have to disagree with you there. But I can go halfway, Smash is laggy half of the time for me.
>People jealous of Sony once again
>>342382870
>Steam DDoS 2015
>Steam DDoS 2016
How is that only one attack? Fuck off Valvedrone. You're the type of person who would defend Valve if they started charging for online because "they need the money to defend from DDoS attacks and shit".
>>342382562
>not hacked or DDOSed on a regular basis
lol
Steam and PSN are on equal footing in terms of being unsafe, unreliable pieces of shit at this point and I will never attach my credit card to either
>>342349729
blame microsoft, they proved to the world people are stupid enough to pay for something that should be free so sony said "why not?" and did it to.
Remember all things wrong with the industry are always traced back to microsoft.
I wasn't okay with it then, I'm not okay with it now but I only pay because I want to continue using it not because I WANT to pay for it.
Thanks microsoft
>>342382562
>no features steam doesnt have
downloading 1/5 of game and starting playing right there.
>not hacked
it just got hacked few months ago
>>342382476
>And Sony and Microsoft can't do the same because?
They can. Sony just wanted to make even more money than they did during the PS3 era. Because they're greedy fucks, and because people won't just pay up, they'll defend Sony to boot.
And Microsoft knows it all too well as well.
>>342383032
>PS3
>winning anything
>put sony into massive debt
>no games for several years
>got the worst version of multiplats
>sold less than the Wii
>>342382997
>great strawman
My bad.
>PC started this shit because of Ultima Online, despite you not needing to pay to play any other game online and disregarding the majority portion of PC gamers who do not play MMOs
Now implying I said "no one plays MMOs" actually is a strawman. What I said was, "you are disregarding the majority portion of PC gamers who do not play MMOs by comparing the number of subscribers to a game to the entirety of console players who play online".
>>342382870
If you meant to type "A single attack near every sale", you'd be right. Steam is a tumor on PC gaming, I have no idea why you faggots defend it. I'm inclined to think you're actually just console warriors who got bored and decided to buy PCs so you could shitpost even more.
>>342350130
>1) good servers
no
>2) not hacked every 2 months
no
>3) you had 5mb internet and 50ms lag while on ps3 you had 196ms
no
>>342383032
No anon, you will never escape the "$600 PS3" scandal no matter how hard you believe it made up its losses near the end. Which it didn't.
>>342383096
The attack happened in late December, meaning there are probably searches for both years. Please search each of those and tell me what you find before trying to argue that it happens regularly.
>>342382350
>implying
I have a PC for multiplats and a PS4/3DS for exclusives. Stay poor.
It suddenly became ok when Sony started doing because worst fanbase in the history of gaming.
>>342382562
they charge them more because they know console players are poor. thats all there is to it
its the same as how lay away or hire purchase works out to the seller's benefit. a poor person can afford a few bucks a day for a shit load of time and end up paying far more than the face value for some piece of shit car or washing machine(or console in this case) whereas a well off person just buys the thing for straight cash and expects, as a wealthy person should, to have the full product to do with as they please
this kinda shit goes on in all forms of business/capitalism. the poor get squeezed the hardest and believe their overlords are doing them a favour
>This was 3 years ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWSIFh8ICaA
>>342383491
Not a poorfag, doesnt have wiiu and xbox
>>342383151
This.
Microsoft's Xbox brand is literally "con man: the brand". They entered because of how profitable the PS2 was. Proving to them that the console market is profitable to them, and if they can con enough people with business practices, they can scratch up lots of money. Xbox Live problems, death of the original Xbox's online store games, RRoD, DRM scandal, and now with the annoucement of the Scorpio, they haven't changed. Nothing about them has changed. They never will change, and its delusional to ever believe they could. The Xbox One's $500 launch pricetag was unacceptable, and I can't see the Scorpio being any cheaper then that.
>>342350820
underrated post
sonyggers they will shill every shit even paying for online
>>342383328
The majority of PC gamers have paid for an MMO subscription regardless of whether or not they actively pursue the genre. Hell, even people who played on consoles in 2005 have paid for an MMO subscription. It's still cheaper to pay for multiplayer access to every game on a system. As much as I hate modern consoles for imitating all the cancerous shit about PC, I have to give them credit for managing to be 75% cheaper or more than a year of subscriptions for one iconic PC game.
They should've never gave you niggers money.
You probably spend more a year on soft drinks.
>>342349729
>mfw friend buys games digitally on ps4 all the time
>decided to try and push him to gameshare with me
>told him to use my account as a test
>"wow i have your dmc4 theme it works!"
>get his account and download all his juicy delicious free games
>go play with my other friend and tell him
>says i get playstation plus too
i am so lucky. this kid buys literally everything. and i have plus forever, for free. teehee.
>>342384067
You can't buy internet with food stamps, chucklefuck.
I can't wait for automation so you losers can get tossed out into the street where you belong.
Faggot.
>>342362450
If you use a PC, playing the very same games online is free.
So, what's the excuse?
>>342384176
What are you even going on about?
>>342351616
Graphics also didn't matter when PC kept the PS4 BTFO.
Sony fags don't have a clue what they're talking about.
>>342349729
Fanboys.
I keep telling you, they're the biggest threat to gaming. Instead of asking for better they just defend anything their favorite company does
>>342383263
it won. better exclusives, free online, had games every year. better mulitplats enjoyed your 4 disc games? and wii sold more than everything, not an excuse
>>342383456
Kill yourself Valvedrone. I've used Steam for years and have lived through multiple DDoS attacks. The reason the christmas 2015 attack is on the front page of google is because that is the most recent one.
>>342384021
>The majority of PC gamers have paid for an MMO subscription
>The majority of PC gamers have paid for an MMO subscription
>The majority of PC gamers have paid for an MMO subscription
rather than admit paying for online is bullshit, you have convinced yourself that the majority of PC gamers have done the same. despite that even if it were true, it would still only be one game compared to EVERYTHING online on consoles. despite WoW having 12 million subscribers at its PEAK, and steam alone having 125 million active users today. despite me only knowing one person who has played WoW for any amount of time, and only so on free private servers.
rather than admit you are buying into corporate greed, you would rather force yourself to believe all PC gamers are hypocrites because a handful of games exist that you have to pay monthly for. consolefags are useless to argue with.
>>342384480
So you want every gamer to go on a rebellion for "#NO ONLINE!". You know how retarded you look when you act like a 4chan /v/ professional underground "fuck the normies!" piece of shit faggot?
>>342384524
>only weebshit as far as exclusives go
>free online that was and still is terrible
>horribly poor quality multiplats
>still sold less than the Wii
>still put Sony into debt they have yet to pay off
It lost any way you look at it.
>>342384079
unless he have to change password.
>>342384756
I wish you would stop paying extra for bullshit and proving that you'll let Sony and Microsoft take advantage of you.
I wish you wouldn't get mad and start insulting those who tell you that paying extra for online is bullshit.
when is WoW only going to charge 5/mo, how do the chinese afford this shit, I thought they're poor
>>342384664
People outright defending a corporation's product are usually teenagers. No point arguing, they are full of angst and kids today are awful, passive-aggressive little fucks.
>>342384756
Multiplayer always has been and always will be cancer.
Get fucked casual shit stain.
>>342384785
good jap and western games= more games.
free online works perfectly
no they werent
xbox did too, not sure what you're implying
all businesses have some form of debt tied to them. end of 2012 is over, they are no longer hurting. and continue dominating.
>repeats himself
yea blah blah kill yourself
>>342384014
Are you clinically braindead? The xbox brand was never about profitability, it was about making microsoft a household name (also to further consumer R&D) and it was very successful in doing so. If they gave a shit about the money when it came to xbox division they would scrap the whole thing but no matter how much they lose on it they are here for the long haul and they have no problems saying so, I am just happy that at least we have people of passion in higher places otherwise we wouldnt have ended up with somebody like phil running a division
>>342384756
Holy fuck dude. Way to show no backbone.
Anyway if anyone actually saw how bullshit the service is they could do this and have it changed easily because the consumers are the lifeblood of the companies.
>>342385126
You mean online multi
Console payers are literally paying for freeware
Paying for otherwise free voip
Paying for otherwise free online play
Paying for free is is the most anticonsumer crap ever
You can't make this up. If Sony dropped their online fee crap I'd buy a new ps4 but currently there is no incentive plus tons of disincentives to not buy a ps4
it's okay, I buy stolen keys off g2a for this kinda scam
They scam me, I scam them, some eastern european profits, everyone is happy
>>342384898
>>342385126
So you want me to just stop paying for online. That's all? If I go on my PS4 right now and end my subscription, you'll be happy and the world will get better? You want me to PROVE that I won't let Sony/Microsoft take advantage of me?
>>342385046
You can pay for your subscription via in game gold now the same way eve online has for years
>>342382350
sub mmos don't exist on console? console players aren't paying both fees simultaneously? nice try cuck
>>342385303
Yes
In a perfect world people woudnt have to pay but in reality if it means solid, reliable servers and some "free" games on the side Im willing to bite the bullet. The bonus you get for paying is also that it keeps BR folk and the like away.
>>342385265
>g2a
>stolen
Nah
>>342384664
PC gaming didn't come into existence 5 years ago, kiddo. The subscription bullshit has been happening on PC since before you were born. Just because you and your underage friends never paid for WoW doesn't mean that an extremely large amount of PC gamers didn't. PC is where it got popular and lucrative, consoles are where it was perfected by Microshit.
I also find it funny that you got so upset you whipped out your e-celeb reaction image and memetext before reading how I said that the subscription model is cancer probably 10 times. I don't have a use for PS Plus, so I don't pay for it. But it's not like you actually need to read posts when you can hop on the platform war faggot train and whine about "consolefags".
>>342385129
>good jap and western games= more games.
All of the western games were always inferior multiplats that ran worse and often crashed, hell even jap multiplats were worse, just look at Bayonetta.
>free online works perfectly
Yeah because people totally don't complain about it to this day.
>no they werent
Yes they were they would drop frames and crash hard.
>xbox did too, not sure what you're implying
What does Xbox have to do with this?
We're talking about Sony's flop here.
>all businesses have some form of debt tied to them. end of 2012 is over, they are no longer hurting. and continue dominating.
They literally haven't paid off the debt of the PS3 that thing caused heavy losses.
As for the other companies see what this anon said about Microsoft >>342385168
AndNintendo isn't in any debt at all
It lost.
>>342385205
>Holy fuck dude. Way to show no backbone.
You're right. Let's all show the world. /v/, let's team up to create a Youtube video, and make it #stopPS4Online , #stopXboxOnline #GoPC.
We have to show these consumers who is boss. If anyone pays for that shit, let's shitpost them till they change their minds, like you changed mine. Let's do this guise!!!! >>342385396
>>342385512
>Just because you and your underage friends never paid for WoW doesn't mean that an extremely large amount of PC gamers didn't
I will say again, 12 million vs 125 million. Calling me a faggot kid won't change facts.
#FuckSony #DownWithSony #NintendoPride #SonyIsEvil #Sony2012
>>342385363
They actually are funnily enough
One of those final Fantasy MMO's is
>>342385321
45k gold, I don't think I've ever had that much in my bag before, I'm not a neet, the point is 15/mo is cancerous, I rather be a fuccboi and buy gayass costumes on league for 15 then just get the ability to play the fucking game
>>342385403
>but in reality if it means solid, reliable servers and some "free" games on the side Im willing to bite the bullet.
The problem is that those "solid, reliable" servers don't exist and they're just as bad as they were before.
As for the free games they've stopped putting out the decent games to attract people to the service and it's all cheap schlock.
Basically you're biting the bullet for no reason.
>>342385594
>You want me to stop paying for online?
>Yes
>let's team up to create a Youtube video, and make it #stopPS4Online , #stopXboxOnline #GoPC.
the worst part about this is that you can only pretend that a movement to combat the scam of paying extra for online is a dumb idea.
>I am paying for it, so it's better
Why are you people so damn gullible? PSN didn't improve one bit after the PS4 started charging for online. And PC servers were better than Xbox servers.
And for p2p connections, the money you've spent can't possibly have had any effect whatsoever.
Your online experience has in no way been improved by you giving Microsoft/Sony money for it.
>>342385594
You make it sound like it doesn't work when that's exactly how gays and feminazis get their way.
My parents already pay $70 per month for internet. What's another $5?
Isn't there a gayben sale for some indie trash you entitled pcucks should be flocking to right about now?
>>342385512
>PC gaming didn't come into existence 5 years ago, kiddo.
Pc gaming has been in existence for over 20 years
>>342385547
never crashed for me. bayo is the only solid example you have out of thousands of games.
not me, surely you.
never crashed for me. framerate looked good to me.
so you're literally telling me that sony flopped because the wii sold more than it, while the ps3 sold more than the xbox, and the xbox sold less than the wii? you are making no sense and i can see you literally do this to just win arguments, but you lost already.
like i said, they are doing completely fine. they are dominating. ps3 is a living legacy.
>The xbox brand was never about profitability
all i read, and all i need to know.
>nintendo isn't in any debt
they are doomed at the rate they are going.
basically your failed argument is
>debt = fail
nope. kill yourself, and thats my last reply to you. type up another one but i will not read it because idc. last word shitposter!
>>342385958
This
The buyers remorse and confirmation bias is extreme with these retards
Every year there's some instance of Sony losing their shit and their servers goes offline for an entire day meanwhile steam and all steam game servers are free and haven't gone down in over a decade
>>342385639
Those aren't really facts, seeing as how there were a lot more MMOs than just WoW. You're also acting like you can't have a Steam account and pay for an MMO at the same time; not true. Steam has only gotten numbers that high in recent years, and even then, is there any criteria for what constitutes an account as active? Having logged into it once in 12 months? In that case, I make up 3 of those 125 million. Think about how many dummy accounts there are, and the "My number is bigger" argument you're trying to pull loses water like someone cut a hole in it.
Shitloads of people have paid shitloads of money for a very long time just to play PC exclusive, online games. It's only very recently that this started going away in favor of micro-transaction shit. 3-4 years out of close to 20 isn't a big percentage.
>>342385884
>>342385961
You guys are lazy. It looks like you really don't care after all. Guess I'll just keep paying those 5$!
>>342386345
>buyers remorse
What?
>>342386371
>You're also acting like you can't have a Steam account and pay for an MMO at the same time; not true
He never implied that. The fact is that there are far more steam users than wow users at the peak of wows existence. Even if every wow user also had a steam account you'd still get no where near a "majority of pc gamers" because you made that shit up entirely
>>342386516
They don't understand what or why they pay the money so they make up excuses to why it's necessary which is another form of buyers remorse
>>342385827
I mostly had xbox live on my mind when I wrote that. Dont really use PSN all that much.
>>342349729
PS+ is one of the reasons why I haven't gotten a PS4 yet. If Sony could do servers for 90 million consoles for free then why now are they charging money when we already pay $60 for their fucking game. Until it gets enough single player games worthwhile (so until next year at least) I'm not bothering with it.
>>342349787
>>342349853
>>342349914
Go back to Neogaf you samefag
>>342384756
Yes. Objectively what is so wrong with doing that? You do know that type of shit is what suits pay attention to, right?
it's retarded i agree, but blame Microshit for introducing this trend in the first place
if PS4cucks pushed back hard enough and said 'fuck you' they probably would have backed off but i guess not
>>342386371
The only paid MMOs you could name were WoW, Everquest, and Ultima Online. WoW had 12 million subscribers at its peak, UO had 250,000, and Everquest had 500,000.
So, 13 million PC gamers paid for online play. Compared to the 125 million active users on Steam, this is definitely not an "extremely large portion" of PC gamers.
>"My number is bigger" argument
???
Did you forget what we were talking about? The point is that nowhere near enough PC gamers have played a paid MMO to make them hypocrites for saying paying extra for online on consoles is ludicrous.
Not to mention that it's still just one game vs. an entire service. It wasn't a good argument to begin with.
>>342384756
Are you drunk? How is asking for this using Twitter "fuck the normies"?
>>342386682
>They don't understand
But they do.
>which is another form of buyers remorse
That's not definition of buyers remorse. Buyers remorse mean you are unhappy with your purchase.
>>342349729
>>342349787
>>342349853
>>342349914
>>342350020
This is the most blatant samefag I've seen all day
>>342387078
The first form of buyers remorse is denial. They deny that their purchase is unwise so they make excuses to justify it
>everyone to young to remember heat.net
I'm only 26, what the fuck?
>>342386945
13 milion is a lot of people and that's counting only WoW.
>>342387378
please read the entire post
>>342386287
>bayo is the only solid example you have out of thousands of games.
And Skyrim
And Dark Souls
And Fallout
I could go on but you get the point.
>never crashed for me. framerate looked good to me.
Yeah now you're just making shit up.
>so you're literally telling me that sony flopped because the wii sold more than it, while the ps3 sold more than the xbox, and the xbox sold less than the wii? you are making no sense and i can see you literally do this to just win arguments, but you lost already.
Okay lets break it down
>Sony wants money
>Nintendo and Microsoft don't care
>Sony loses a mass of money and doesn't make it back
>Nintendo gains more money
>Microsoft doesn't care
>Sony's services are piss poor and have terrible security
>Nintendo has better services
>Microsoft doesn't care
Starting to get this now?
Microsoft wasn't in the running because they literally don't care.
Sony doesn't achieve their one and only objective.
Nintendo gets money from everyone.
They lost anon.
>ps3 is a living legacy.
Of how not to market and make a console just like the Wii U.
>all i read, and all i need to know.
Good to know.
>they are doomed at the rate they are going.
By being in a stable financial position?
Yeah I doubt that unless they make a Sony tier decision they're in no big trouble at the moment.
>>debt, poor services, shitty games, poor security, anti consumerism, no games etc = fail
Glad you agree.
this shit still could go away if MScucks were riotted why W10 gets free online shit etc.
cause its fucking good point , no interviewer at e3 did ask this question baffles me.
>>342387281
Again, that's not buyers remorse. Just because you don't like their purchase and they disagree with you dosen't mean they have buyers remorse.
>>342387378
13 million was at its peak in 2005 to 2008
Retrospectively that's not a lot compared to 125m steam users at all. Wow today barely has what? 5m active subscribed or some shit?
>>342384756
I think eventually, when you're on /v/ too long, the memes overtake you and you lose your mind, become paranoid that people are being edgy or going against board culture. This looks like an example
>>342386574
>you'd still get no where near a "majority of pc gamers"
Go add up how many people have paid for a WoW subscription, an Ultima Online subscription, and Everquest subscription, an EVE subscription, etc and tell me that the majority of people who play their games on PC haven't ever paid for a month of an MMO. Check a WoW thread on /v/ sometime when that new expansion comes out, it will be full of people saying they hate themselves for resubbing at every new one but they do it anyway. I'm being generous by assuming these people only paid for a month and gave it up, when in reality the majority of people who pay for MMO subs at all will do it multiple times.
>>342386945
>13 million PC gamers paid for online play
I told you I was only going to name the most popular ones. Fucking Runescape had a subscription, I just didn't mention it because it wasn't as big. If you're going specifically off of "PC gamers who have paid to play a single game online", that number could be quadrupled easily. Since the start of the subscription model, the majority of PC gamers have payed for some form of online game subscription. The majority of Steam users have joined AFTER the sub model started being phased out in favor of cash shop shit. The active user number means nothing.
>>342387585
At this point it's more Sonyggers that are promoting this shit.
>>342385980
My PS3 collection is likely larger than your entire PS4/Xbox collection.
But now Sony wants me to pay to play online on the PS4? Fuck that. Fuck Sony. And fuck the PS4.
>>342387617
It's from 2005 so that means shitton of people payed for WoW already unless we assume exact the same people play for WoW now which is of course stupid.
>>342384756
Japan didn't just jump onto the PS+ train like the filthy common westerner did.
And as a result they've gotten and still get dozens of very favourable deals that we gullible westerners do not get.
You make it sound as if simply not paying for PS+ can't pay off.
>>342387829
Cool blog mate.
>>342387604
I didn't say that
I'm saying the blind shills defend it because they don't know what their 5 dollars a Month is actually for whether they pay for it themselves or not. They deny that they are paying for freeware they deny that their purchase was erroneous or needless. Deny any fact that goes against their personal reasoning even if their personal reasons were based on garbage logic or inference. They develop a confirmation bias and any symptoms that go against that are really just reasons to have it anyway.
They invent ridiculous reasons like "if I pay for it therefore the service is better" even if it doesn't at all
>>342387829
>My PS3 collection is likely larger than your entire PS4/Xbox collection.
>we'll never get as much games as we did in the two previous generations
Modern gaming was a mistake.
>>342387829
>IT'S NOT FAIR
>only 5 bucks a month
In some countries in europe is a bit more than that. But let's say "is only 5 dollars", 5 dollars in 5 years for a console life span and then a new console is released and you keep paying that, after some years you will realize how retarded it was to waste that money.
Monthly pays it should be just for a game that needs to keep an online service, not a regular service with Live/PSN discounts that aren't that great and wdlc that are still expensive for costumes and random shit that should be normal unlockable in games.
But this will be a matter of time until the bubble bursts.
>>342387631
Runescape had 1 million members at its peak. Meaning it's bigger than UO and Everquest combined, actually.
And altogether, that would still only be 14 million PC users vs. the 125 million on Steam. There's absolutely nothing to indicate anything but a minority of PC gamers have paid for online gameplay at some point.AND IT'S STILL JUST ONE GAME VS. THE ABILITY TO USE THE INTERNET. WHY ARE YOU STILL ARGUING THIS?
>>342387908
That's active Steam users. You could add an extremely large number of users if you counted total users.
>>342387631
No it didn't if was free to play and jjagex themselves released tabulation that only 10% of their total playing population of 3m users actually paid for it
>>342388107
>I'm saying the blind shills defend it
Just because people pay for thing you don't dosen't mean they are shills/marketers or something. Are you underage?
>>342388349
Do you really have no awareness of human sociology? Because everything I've said is easily demonstrative in so. Many other facets of life. It's literally a confirmation bias which is where it all stemmed from
>>342388302
Sorry 1m user base not 3m
