Post pleb opinions you're sick of hearing.
>turn based combat is outdated
>How do you know it sucks if you haven't played it?
Because I have an ounce of critical thought and decades of experience. Gameplay footage is more than enough to form an accurate opinion of a game.
>so and so is uninspired
Fucking hate this because it doesn't really mean anything specific. You might as well say something doesn't have soul.
>>342326491
>shitting on indie games
Conversely
>thinking indie games are superior
>>342326648
I don't always agree anon. Watching a game of baduk is not enough info to understand what is going on or why that game is so fascinating. Same for a game with a ridiculously high skill floor like DoTA 2.
>It's a good X game just not a good Y game
Kill yourselves, all of you
>flying killed WoW
>it's better with friends
>Nintendo won E3
>mods make it worth it
>mobage *makes a LoL reference*
>who's hype for <x>, fellow gamers?
>should i buy <x>, fellow gamers?
>apologize
><popular indie game> is shit
>MOBAs are good
>>342326491
>overwatch is a fun game and worth the money
>Shall I buy the crates for 20,-
Buyers remorse threads are already starting.
>>342326976
>><popular indie game> is shit
Well they are
>>342327046
>micro transactions in a full priced game
>the more "difficult" (annoying, poorly designed, and grindy) the game, the better it is
fuck
off
> It's not supposed to be realistic!
Also in the same vein:
> In a game with ____, ____, and ____, you're complaining about _____ being unrealistic?
Usually used as an excuse for fantasy/scifi games that contradict themselves with the fantasy/scifi stuff.
>>342326491
It is though. RPGs were only turn based due to the limitations of consoles back then.
>>342326976
>someone without friends.
>Style of game is outdated
That's like saying chess or archery is outdated because it's old. You are legitimately fucking dumb
>>342326491
>Point and click adventure games are outdated and dead.
>60fps is unnecessary since most people can't tell the difference.
>PC gaming costs way more than consoles ever will.
>*Insert corporation here* totally won E3, gaiz!
>"Unpopular opinion here, gaiz, but *insert incredibly common opionion here*.
>>342327205
Spotted the child. Real time RPGs predate turn based ones.
>>342327153
>the challenge is the only thing making it fun!
Penis enlargement surgery IS a thing if you need it, /v/
>Games can be art
>tales is a good series
no, it's not. quit liking it immediately.
>the souls games are good
it's even worse when they think this objectively mediocre series is the pinnacle of gaming
>soulsborne games are hard
>>342327381
>Games can't be art because they're for kids and neckbeards.
>>342327230
>someone with autism.
>>342327153
This is a lie that Soulsmeme players tell themselves for imaginary bragging points.
>"Wow, Ludwig, so difficult! I don't know if I'll be able to beat him tonight!"
>WELL I BEAT HIM FIRST TRY NO BLOOD VIALS AND I HAD FUN DOING IT, AREN'T I A BETTER GAMER? LOOK AT ME, PLAYING ARTIFICIALLY DIFFICULT GAMES AND STILL HAVING FUN
>"Wh-what?"
>GIT GUD GIT GUD GIT GUD
>>342326491
>Episodic Gaming is Pro Consumer
Literally being served shit but treating it as chocolate.
>Fallout 4 has good DLC
>>342327424
>no, it's not. quit liking it immediately.
When someone doesnt like a franchise you like
>>342327381
So if I draw a character and have him fight another character I drew, but I give control of one of the characters to another, it isn't art?
>>342327334
Horrible bad games though due to the controller lacking many buttons.
Turn based RPGs are outdated.
>>342327153
yeah I'm tired of this too.
>x has aged poorly
>>342327464
>>342327468
The souls games and especially Bloodborne are good games though, nothing outstanding but they are consistently solid gameplaywise
>fast travel is bad
>>342326938
>Watching a game of baduk is not enough info to understand what is going on or why that game is so fascinating.
GOOD example
>>342327732
I think they're pretty clunky actually and I love them, character movement feels like an early ps2 game
>>342327653
>due to the controller lacking buttons
Keep displaying your ignorance, my man.
>>342327624
>implying anything you drew has artistic merit
>>342326491
>Why do people think *insert old but trend setting, ground breaking game here* is so good? It's old, plays bad and looks like shit.
>Controllers are way better than keyboard and mouse, they're built for gaming.
>>342327424
>tfw finally playing vesperia on my xbox
shit taste senpai
>>342327624
The "are games art debate"
a) Is far more complex than that
b) Will totally derail the thread, stop. Make a new thread.
>>342327716
x HAS aged poorly. are you implying it hasn't?
>>342327816
Can you name some early ps2 games that have comparable character movement?
I hear this argument a lot and I emulate lots of PS2 games and control wise they never really bother me
>This game just didnt age well
nigga tell me why you didnt like the game
>>342327839
>key point
>consoles
Keep moving those goalposts though anon.
>certain games in a certain genre are shit
>all games in that genre are shit by default
>>342327816
but they're wearing heavy armor. you expect them to control like ninja gaiden?
>>342327205
and most modern games put a spin on their TB combat to make it interesting
>>342326491
>Dark Souls X sucks
All of them are pretty good when compared to most games. There is still lots of room for improvement though. Remember that people often consider different things important than you, to some the games might be amazing, but to you they might be shit, it's okay to have different opinions. This applies to everything.
>Open world is automatically shit.
Open world is a good concept that's poorly utilized. Many games miss the point and have it basically act as an overworld between levels, but a fully fleshed out and detailed open world can be very good.
>Games aren't art.
Everything made by a human with some thought put into it is art. The problem with "Cinematic experience" games is that the people who make them try to be movies, and fail to understand that crafting good gameplay is an art in itself.
>Flavor of the month sucks
Just because people are posting about it constantly and being annoying does not automatically make the game itself bad. It is the game itself that matters, not the fan base.
>Other people should stop liking X because I don't like X.
Mate you are genuinely fucking autistic if you think like this.
>>342327991
and surprise surprise most original PC RPGS were turned based
>"Overwatch is a competitive, skill based game"
>>342327928
a love of shit, i think maybe the ratchet games, that one stealth game with the ninjas or whatever, turns out I don't really remember that many ps2 games, but the souls games just feel like games with a small budget so I understand they can't fix everything but god the kick move is awkward and the standing in place and spinning thing is very early gen shit
>>342327464
>>342327468
What I find funny is people who say this can't back it up.
Let me see your psn, shoe me you platinum the games. If you don't have a psn then how can you judge DeS or bb. I'll be even lenient if your pc bro, show me proof you sl1'd all bosses of either game of your choice, das1,2 or the laughably easy, 3.
Put up or shut up shitposters
>>342327928
Hey anon, I like how you owned that guy. Can I suck your penis?
>>342328227
>Overwatch is named Overwatch
>People compete to win
>It's possible to be better at it than other people.
>Overwatch is a video-based game
Nothing in that statement is wrong.
>>342326491
'X is fun'
>>342326491
FO3/4 is better than FO:NV
Honestly though, nobody like waiting just to attack, it's so slow and boring . Real life just doesn't move like that. It's pretty outdated , especially when games like the tales of series fixed that problem.
>>342327991
And even on consoles, you had action RPGs like Hydlide predating Dragon Quest. And even before that, D&D game on Intellivision was real time (though barely an RPG).
>>342328036
>>342328036
I said clunky not slow, if anything they respond to quickly with turning and movement and have very slippy slide physics
>>342326648
Basically this. There are a very few exceptions (as always) to this rule... but you can pretty easily tell if most games will be good or shit just by seeing them in action. You can visualize the play experience you would have by watching the gameplay.
>>342328251
>kick move
Sounds like you are using it wrong
>standing in place and spinning thing
What
>>342328330
no butill suck yours instead
>>342326491
A majority of gamers want VR
>>342327928
Tenchu, dmc, dw, godhand, gungrave, ininja, ratchet, metal arms, chaos legion
>>342328429
>Real life just doesn't work like that.
that's a pretty pleb opinion and i'm sick of hearing it
>>342326953
Its a valid criticism though. If you want X genre then go play games in that genre. Don't infect Y game with your bullshit when it wasn't about X in the first place.
>>342327928
Mon hun+dos
>>342326491
I'd rather have a game with a good story and shit graphics, than a game with excellent graphics and shit story
Also "TLOU is the best game ever made"
>>342328515
True. The majority want it cheaper.
>>342328528
>>342328594
Most of those games have shitty controls because their camera is ass though
>>342327337
Haha, true.
>>342328502
actually I have a problem where i cant get it to trigger when I want to actually use it and it goes off randomly in battle, the controls are not very good, lords of the fallen was a pretty good example of how to fix that shit, the characters in the souls games feel floaty and off
>>342326491
RNG are a bad thing in rpgs
>>342328528
>dark souls, devil may cry, godhand
>"comparable character movement"
i suppose in the most literal sense that we can compare them, but no
>>342327153
Basically this. I liked the souls games but they have their bullshit and could be vastly improved. And other games need to stop trying to poorly reconstruct the "difficulty" of these games too. They suck at it and need to work on balancing out their own experiences rather than just adding in artificial bullshit to make it "harder".
>>342328473
This only consistently applies to action games. Lots of games look boring as fuck if you're not playing them.
Guitar Hero and Animal Crossing are two games that come to mind that wouldn't be great to watch. Or a Paradox game where you pass and mull over your options for 10 minutes at a time just clicking through menus.
>>342328723
>floaty
i can see that and i actually prefer the combat from LotF because of the weighty feel behind everything
>>342326491
give me an example of a good turn based jrpg within the past 5 years
protip:you probably can
>>342328641
Did you even fucking read the top choice?
FAD DOES NOT INTEREST ME
>>342327163
God, I agree. I hate this argument. Because we all know that some things aren't realistic in a game. But this argument is often used to excuse inconsistent or unexplained bullshit in a game that someone (who can't accept valid criticism) wants to defend.
>>342328651
Movement is still similar if not on par. Besides souls cameras are notoriously bad, especially lock on camera
>>342328204
no they weren't anon
>>342328731
what's the alternative?
>>342328748
Outside fancy teleports cuhrayzee offers they're very similar
Thank god TBRPGs are a thing of the past, tired of waiting just to attack, what a stupid system. Final fantasy evolved , why can't you? Only reason someone would like Turn based RPGs is nostalgia. No current hardcore gamer likes it. It's good it's going the way of the dodo,Imagine FFT without the turn based bs, would've been way better.
>>342328853
>tfw mastered the claw grip on MHFU
>never have any issue with cameras in game ever
>>342328838
I can guarantee people would be more willing to try a fad that cost far less.
>>342328818
SMT 4 is pretty good
>>342328846
To be fair, as someone who like realistic armor in videogames, the people who sperg out over unrealistic/skimpy armor are fucking insufferable.
But defending plot holes with magic is dumb.
>>342328926
Skyrim
>but can it run 4k
4x the bandwidth required, totally worth the minor increase in quality and AA reduction kek
>>342328807
yeah its hard to be good at movement when your character feels off and weightless like in the souls games, sprinting in DS feels so awkward
>X isn't a poorly designed and thought out turd, you just need to git gud!
>>342328989
I'm not going to try out VR until there's a way you can do it without looking retarded.
>>342328986
I'm 24 my hands are too old to claw without significant pain
>its too technical for me
then go play fucking COD you simpleton
>>342329014
this
>>342327757
There are better alternatives that don't completely break game flow though.
>>342329014
anything that flew under the radar?
or do you only play mainstream games?
>Who cares if I'm in my late 20s and I still play Kirby, ALL video games are meant for kids anyway!
>pixel art games games can't be good
>[open world game] looks so cool!
>microtransactions are optional, who cares
>Halo 4 and 5 are redeemable guise
>"basebuilding has no place in Dawn of War", "muh shock assault lore"
>console wars
>MOBAs are good
>TF2 is good
>Difficulty = Quality
>Sure the gameplay is shallow, but the story was great!
>Games are art
>"I hate Dark Souls because of the memes"
>Bloodborne > DkS3/ DkS3 > BB
>>342329129
Well man you have to decide between being a shit or pain
>Denuvo will never be cracked
This one rustles me most since I work with people that actively do just that. Denuvo isn't hard to crack, but it takes a shit ton of time for how it works.
I want this meme to end
>>342329123
Seriously?
If you could pick up the gear in 4-5 years for $100, you'd still not buy it if you looked silly in the privacy of your home...?
>>342328192
Of the open world games I've played only maybe Risen and Gothic 1 had actually good worlds with plentiful enemies that made sense and lush environments. Also plenty of secrets and quests filling that space.
>>342329215
>BB somehow isnt comparable to Ds3
>MOBAs are bad
>>342329129
>my hands are too old
I know that feel, friend.
>>342329295
Yep.
I don't try to impress other people, I try to impress myself.
>>342329236
;_; it hurts
>>342329336
Bloodborne and Dark Souls 3 are both great. I don't see the need to constantly compare them.
>>342327464
If the Souls games are mediocre what games do you consider to be above them?
>>342328804
I still don't really enjoy animal crossing. And I did think I would like Giutar Hero from watching because I like games with timed input challenges. But that's just me.
>>342329189
the only JRPGs I can finish are all megaten games so those the only games I can personally recommend
>>342329246
>le entitled gamer
this is one that irks me.
why even play it if you don't like it?
you're scum.
>>342329378
to be honest i'm also noticing my carpal tunnel syndrome slowly advancing
i'm scared
>>342329353
That's one of the most retarded arguments I've ever heard on 4chan. Well done.
>>342327153
this
a game doesn't have to be hard, it just has to be not easy
>>342326491
>Maintaining suspenion of disbelief is your job, not the creator's.
>>342329451
Thank you friend.
>>342328989
Yeah, try. Just like when motion controls were cheap everyone tried them and then went back to standard ways of playing. Try doesn't mean enjoy or want.
>>342329408
>i see no need to compare 2 similar products
It's so you can make out flaws and improve upon them in future products
>>342329445
Oh, I've got something for this thread.
>Megaten games are superior and have dramatically different battle systems compared to other JRPGs
>>342329451
they're not wrong. you should.
trying to compete with others isn't always practical. what if everyone around you is content to wallow in mediocrity? then you'll only be slightly better than them.
>>342329448
Someone has to test the cracks that get released
I pirate almost everything but only because I know I'll play about an hour of it and just never pick it up until years later for a couple bucks.
I also pirate then pay for the retail version if I like it and want more after that initial hour, but that happens so infrequently that it feels good to pay for a game because when I do its because im actually paying for a game that deserves my money
>>342328429
have you considered that video games are not real life?
>>342329527
I guess only time will tell on that score.
>>342329575
You should feel ashamed to don a VR headset even in private.
That's full retard.
>game takes place in feudal Japan
>You play as generic white man
>>342329571
>smt mainline is more challenging/in depth than persona
>>342329036
Yeah I'm on a 32 inch and I never notice blurriness on 1080p. So when 4k was trying to claim "it won't be blurry anymore" I was like "what"? That shit is good in movie theaters only.
>>342326491
Anything relating to modern Bethesda games being held in a positive light
>take those nostalgia glasses off
>>342328931
>Outside fancy teleports cuhrayzee offers they're very similar
combat motion in dmc1 consists almost entirely of jumping
in dark souls you can't even jump
>>342329627
let's be honest here anon. it's way more than an hour.
>>342329693
Japs actually see themselves as pretty white. If you were playing a caucasian man, they'd portray you with an enormous nose and a chiseled jaw.
>>342329781
It's sometimes a legit criticism though.
>>342329804
>most games i pirate arent even an hour in length
its absolutely worth pirating if i finish it in an hourlike mighty number 9
>>342329546
That's fine as is, but to keep saying hurr my games is superior because [generic reason] gets stales. Undermining quality gets tiring to read over and over.
>>342329725
did someone get bullied?
>>342329781
Tbh though it really clouds alot of /v/ judgement.
Super metorid is overrated
lttp is overrated
etc. And I've played them fully.
>>342326648
It depends on the game really
If it's some Hello Kitty Island Adventure type bullshit then you can tell whoever is trying to convince you that it's good to fuck right off
But something like Gears of War where all its praise comes from what people experience while PLAYING it, you should probably hold your breath until you actually get around to playing it
>>342329897
Its not if its a game people are still actively playing to this day like Morrowind or Deus Ex
>>342329961
I agree that both of those games are overrated but neither of them are bad either. Still great games.
>>342329693
Yeah fuck those goddamn white supremacist zipperhead Japs for representing Asian PoC as heterosexual white males.
>>342329932
did you? is that why you avoid games with high school girls?
>>342327337
is it really
I looked once because I have a 3" sick but all the ones I saw seemed to turn my dick into frankenweenie
>>342329906
You can't expect people on /v/ to have arguments that aren't 100% retarded and completely biased
>>342329961
>oot is just lttp in 3D
>oh but it's still way worse somehow
>>342330040
It totally is. They started playing when they were younger. I don't disagree they're good, but I doubt I'd say that if they weren't part of my youth.
>>342330225
OoT is overrated as well so you're right they're pretty much the same
>>342330135
I played through P3 and P4 2 times and P1 one time, if you can tell me the gameplay depth I missed please enlighten me as most bosses can be made much easier by grinding a few levels unlike most mainline titles
>>342326491
>Fallout 4 is a bad game
worse when followed by
>Fallout 3 is a good game
>>342329905
why do you pirate flash/ios games games?
>>342329781
I've had people tell me that I think I'd rather play Vanilla WoW when I really wouldn't, when Vanilla WoW was actually the most recent version I played and it was the most fun I've had with the game.
>>342330285
Bait? FO4 is terrible Todd.
>>342330143
Yeah I know, but the sad part about that is most Souls threads on here are just pure cancer with hardly any valuable discussion whatsoever. I miss having DeS and DaS lore and bridge PvP threads man.
>>342330140
>3" sick
I kek'd harder than I should have.
>>342326491
>this is a great age for gaming
>good graphics and sound = good immersion
>>342330345
bad fallout
bad RPG
good game
as opposed to Fallout 3
bad fallout
bad RPG
bad game
>>342330345
Not that anon but why is Fallout 4 terrible? I've just finished New Vegas and I feel like playing another Fallout game.
>>342330140
Lemme see
>>342330279
>implying most of the "challenge" from mainline games doesn't come from the fact they're artificially difficult
>>342330430
Yeah this all the way. Good immersion is more about gameplay and options/interactivity. Also environmental detail is a plus.
>>342330448
You're better off replaying New Vegas.
>>342330438
>Good Game
In what way
>if it had dark souls combat, it will definitely infinitely better
>>342330438
Todd, who are you trying to fool here?
>>342330506
>I shitpost about games I never played
good going champ. Here is a game that has artificial difficulty
>we desperately need a new generation of consoles
I'm not even mad. now I now how my mom must've felt when I had all these toys and I wanted new ones as a kid.
>>342326491
Turn based combat isn't outdated, but random battles and jarring battle transitions are. They are symptoms of limited technology and shouldn't be carried across to modern games because they rarely serve a purpose. Fortunately developers are finding ways to maintain turn based combat while streamlining the tedium without sacrificing any inherent depth a standard turn based system may have - some more successfully than others.
>the games not easy if [imposes a bunch of arbitrary rules restricting you from certain aspects of the game]
>Beat a boss using game mechanics, get called a cheesing faggot
Soulsfags are the worst
>>342326491
> I used to love this game, but it didn't age well
If you think this then you should probably kill yourself.
>>342330697
DOS interfaces do that, man.
>>342330678
Nothing about ninja garden is artificial, stop posting
>>342330727
Fuck off, UFO defense is still GOAT.
>>342330681
>They are symptoms of limited technology
random encounters existed before rpgs used technology
>>342330681
Random battles are perfectly ok for dungeon crawlers since they help stress resource management.
>>342330679
Agreed. Devs can make better experiences on solid hardware. Upgrade cycles are often too fast. Even the 5 year bullshit is too fast IMO. I would rather actually have 7 or 8 years. Devs don't avoid making better games because of hardware anymore. It's because they are shit or their publisher is shit.
>>342330678
>random encounters
>not bullshit
whatever. just keep your outdated edgy garbage with its cringy metal to yourself.
>>342327110
>people will pay money to roll the RNG and HOPE they get the thing they want instead of being able to just buy it directly
Why isn't Blizzard getting shredded harder for this bullshit?
>>342330768
>jump for a ladder
>bird spawns half way through the jump
if you dont know about where the bird will spawn its an instant kill if its your first go and every other ladder after 3-1 does this. not to mention that you get buttraped if you stand still thanks to how respawns are
>>342326491
>Video game consoles should still stick around because nintendo brought the industry out of a crash
>>342330810
Pen, paper and dice are forms of technology.
>>342326672
It means it's generic, boring and uninteresting.
>I don't want coop because I want the developers to focus 100% on the singelplayer campaign
>>342330681
how is TB deeper than an arpg?
I mean potentially.
that's like saying civ is deeper than starcraft, which is nonsense. if anything, having to think on your toes ads a layer of skill/strategy not present in turn based games.
>>342330557
With a ton of polish I think this is true for many games.
>>342330928
Because memewatch is popular...?
>>342330904
random encounters in SMT1/2 can happen literally every step and are a living hell but the modern titles make them happen at a fixed rate and tell you how long you have till the next
>>342327110
Where is it full priced? On consoles?
>>342330951
none of which is required for an rpg
>>342330557
True for a lot of games.
>>342330995
>bannerlord
>>342330928
Because there are enough blizzfags to silence any dissent against their fav. company.
It is bullshit though. Whether you can buy the shit outright or not its still a shitty and unrewarding system in-game that depends on horrible RNG only to sell microtransactions. The fact that the micros are RNG only makes it worse than it already was.
>complains about a genre
>only mentions one franchise to prove his point
Casuals talking about rpgs
>>342330995
there's nothing wrong with this
>>342331087
>Random encounters
>In minds eye theatre
You high...?
>>342330727
All you have to do is take literally 5 minutes to figure it out, instead of trying it for 5 seconds, declaring it trash and then going to bitch about it on /v/ because you're a spoiled millennial who's used to playing shitty games but thinking that it's the best thing ever because you underdeveloped mind can easily understand it.
>>342327153
This is all I can think of whenver I see people shitting on modern MMOs for having more streamlined mechanics. No, having to build 73 layers of macros just to be able to perform well in certain instances is not more nuanced and fun game design you half-wits. There are plenty of reasons to shit on modern MMOs (lack of true world-building, shitty cash shops, no interesting open world content) but having shitty combat mechanics doesn't make your game more "hardcore" it just makes it fucking tedious to play.
>>342331060
glad IV ditched them.
now all we need is to address those bland characters.... meh, guess that's why persona was made.
>>342331128
But it's okay when valve does it?
>>342330904
you can avoid almost all random battles if you just fucking use Estoma
>>342330986
Its a literal attempt to make an opinion seem like a fact though through use of a glorified word.
>>342329781
Hate this shit. People use it as a thought terminating criticism regardless of what game it is or when the person they're talking to played it. I've been told I am merely "nostalgic" for old games that I hadn't ever played until weeks at most before getting into discussions about them.
>PC is better than consoles
Haha like that is true, the only bad console is the Wii U
>>342330781
2012 is leagues better.
>text based dialogue is out dated
>nice atmosphere
I legitimately stop talking to this person and immediately think less of them, the moment those two words come out of their mouth.
>>342331208
No it isn't. I don't play that memegame either. Its specifically why I stay away from those games and ones like them. Fuck microtransactions and all cancer of their ilk.
>>342331037
>>342331113
>hurr slash roll dodge slash roll dodge
>losing can't be fun
>>342331193
>Using the term millenial
>Under 35 and Over 16
Moron.
>>342331307
Why?
>>342326648
This isn't always true, but it hits home more often than not.
>>342331307
how would you describe games that are immersive then
dead space for 1 for instance had nice atmosphere
>>342331252
It is better
>>342327381
There is no strict definition of art and as such literally anything can be art.
It's a dumb fucking concept to begin with.
>>342331215
what's that, something you get later on?
that reminds me:
>game requires you to jump through hoops to get some obscure item it never even tells you about and you have to use a FAQ to find out about in order to do something that should just be a built in mechanic from the start
fuck tales of vesperia and that stupid red spectacles or whatever just to switch party members during battle. it's like they go out of their way to make it as joyless and tedious an experience as possible. no wonder jrpgs are in the shitter.
>>342331326
It's better than
>hurr slash slash slash slash slash slash slash slash
>>342331252
>says this while posting a game that had a special game mode on PC that kicked ass
>>342331206
Mainline SMT has always been about archetypes rather than fleshed out characters. That's why SMT I and Nocturne let you just name all the characters yourself. It's not for everyone, but it certainly is intentional, at least in those two games.
>>342331326
As opposed to
>hurr slash
>durr facetank enemy hit without major consequences
>>342331326
I mean thats one way of playing and maybe the best for dark souls but the main thing is how attacks work, how it's all bout timing and distance.
>>342330530
Good Map
Tolerable Quest Writing
Good Terminal Writing
Good Shooting
Better Loot
Settlements
Armour/Weapon system
Good Side-Quests
Better Radiant Quests than Skyrim
The world is a lot more fun to explore than Skyrim and the game doesn't fall apart at level 10 like Fallout 3 does
The level system isn't a mess like Oblivion
You don't have to roll to hit like Morrowind
This is genuinely Bethesda's most competent game release.
>bioshock 2 is the worst bioshock game
Fuck you you retarded faggots, it had the best gameplay, and the best daughterfu, and the most feels
>>342331252
>PC vs Console wars
Neither is better or worse, one suits your needs better than the other. Nothing more.
>>342331437
Estoma is a skill on Demons that you can fuse onto literally every other Demon to stop any and all low-level random battles. Never leave home without one
>>342331172
>It's not worth to add something that lets you replay the entire game again in a different way from NG+
Doubling the playtime for adding netcode and spawnpoints is a good investment and does not require anyone working on the SP to drop what they are doing. George the leveldesigner won't be pulled out of his chair and forced to make an entirely new map to fit coop instead. It works the other way around.
>>342327757
It isn't bad in itself.
It's because devs use it as an excuse to not bother with making good enviroments between major areas you can fast travel to..
>>342331493
Ah, so we're just lying.
>>342331438
At least put a combat mechanics like in mount&blade or chivalry
>>342331306
Fucking this.
I literally do not care about there being voice actors in the game at all.
>>342331483
No, I prefer Ninja Gaiden Black's approach.
>>342326491
>2D is outdated.
>>342331329
I'm 48
>>342331387
kys hisss
>gross anon turn off subtitles if I wanted to read i'd buy a book!
>>342331593
Why the fuck are you still here then?
>>342331440
What game in the meme image? Is it Dante's Inferno?
>>342331565
This. Most the time you finish reading it while they're halfway through their lines anyways.
I've always enjoyed the semi-voiced stuff where they'll say a line or two.
>>342331306
Who doesn't just turn on subtitles and read faster?
>>342331593
you are about as 48 as I am a 54 year old man that does nothing but play AoE2 all day
>>342331523
Shut the fuck pussy. Defend the things you like. You must be an agnostic faggit
>>342331689
>having autism
>>342331662
DMC 4
>>342326491
>Minecraft is shit
Literally the greatest concept conceived in gaming. It's a few coats of polish from being the greatest execution too and a 10/10 master piece.
>>342331561
show me a bethesda game with less flaws in the fundamental gameplay (combat)
>>342331275
Nuh uh, ufo defense had
>Procedural maps
>Multiple base building
>Airgame that wasn't total shit where you could send crafts out on scouting missions for enemy bases
>Multiple enemy bases instead of a single cinematic mission
>Failing a single mission wasn't the end of the world
>Free aim
>Different weapon tiers had pro's and cons instead of Ballistic< Laser<Plasma<fusion
>You could actually feel like you were winning instead of just delaying failure, supporting countries would increase funding if you did well.
>Night missions were hard as shit and required extra caution
>You could capture aliens without needing to use a taser, sometimes they would get knocked out by a shot instead of outright killed
>Time units
I love 2012 though, long war kind of gives it a new identity.
>>342331493
>Fallout 4's Level system isn't a mess
It's a mess that forces artificial longevity
>Legendary drops are good, "UNIQUE" items just being named Legendaries is good
Idiot.
>>342331739
Defend againt what? Dishonest shitposts and crying wojaks?
>>342331493
Everything you listed is bad to medicore, not good.
Fucking Far Cry 3/4 does a better job at all of those.
>vee gayme become popular
>i hate it now
>>342331739
>I like screaming at the top of my lungs for inane bullshit
you've got some growing up to do
>>342331763
Its Bayonettas boyfriend you fucking dumbass. Looks like summer is already here lmao kys
>>342331772
Minecraft is comfy as fuck, it's a shame that it's impossible to talk about it here because of all the autistic 12 year olds playing it.
>>342326491
>Classic Resident Evil is bad
>>342331306
I'll bet you play stuff like this
http://store.steampowered.com/app/492370/
