Monster Hunter Generations balancing
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I'm thinking about pre-ordering this for my Dad and I to play together (since we play MH4U together).
How is the style balancing? Is it still Bushido crap that always dominates the other styles?
I just want a fucking balanced Monster Hunter game, and last I checked, some of the weapons are still useless, and 2 of the 4 styles are fucking horrendous ( I believe aerial and bushido were the only choices that people used for awhile, due to being broken as shit, and free evasion +2 with Bush, etc.)
Bumping because all you niggers are probably sucking Hunter Watson's rigor mortis'ed cock.
>>342300476
>caring about balance in a coop focused game
Nothing is terrible enough to be unviable, and that's really all that matters.
>>342300476
Bushido sounds much better on paper than it does when you're actually using it
Especially on LS because holy fuck it's so easy to whiff the spirit attack because it's a straight vertical attack and you'll get punished really hard due to the long ass ending animation
>>342300476
Short answer
Each weapon has an arguably best style
Bushidp ls, aerial/striker sns, aerial hbg etc
That said, at higher levels of play (with japs basically when u play mhx). You change your hunter arts/style according to the monster. For example against ostogaroa (or whatever its called in english, the octopus), an ls user would use guild or striker, since there isnt much opportunity to dodge, and its more damage efficient to just build up your aura the traditional way.
Against tigrex/zinogre ofc use bushido LS
I can only speak for ls since thats all i use. But this game introduced lots of variety and customizability without making some ways of playing terrible or OP.
That said, bushido longsword is a beast in skilled hands.
>>342300730
Fuck off, nigger.
>>342300815
So there are some drawbacks to using Bushido with some weapons? I just want to make sure that I don't come across person-after-person online just using Bushido.
How is the Striker and Guild style? Will I get kicked from parties for not using the only 2 good styles (assuming all 4 styles haven't been balanced)?
>>342301031
Thank you anon, this is exactly what I was looking for. I was hoping there wasnt a style that was a "win-all".
Know that I really appreciate your post, and hopefully we can bump into each other later on a hunt.
Thanks anon.
>>342300476
The balancing is all over the place, but there's no case where any particular style is always the best, period, across all weapons and monsters.
Some styles may be more popular among most weapons, but for none of them can that be said for any weapon.
Some styles are complete dogshit on some weapons, and some styles are totally broken on some weapons, but even that will waver depending on the monster.
Ultimately the real limiting factor here is the fact that Monster Hunter Generations will not have a G-rank. It brings back a bunch of old monsters that weren't in 4U, while ditching a lot of 4U's monsters, including some of the cooler second gen and third gen monsters.
I don't plan on paying any heed at all to min/maxing efficiency strats. I didn't in 4U, I won't now, especially when the end result is that I spend less time actually enjoying hunts or feeling appropriately challenged.
But yeah, Bushido is EZ mode. Maybe not because it has the best times (although for some weapons it may), but because of that ridiculous dodge window and how completely unpunishing and undemanding the style is. I hope that if it carries over, they'll close the window significantly so it actually does feel like a risk versus reward for the people who trained hard to do i-frame dodges without evasion skills.
Guild is mostly balanced across the board, but the end result is that it typically ends up not being the one at the top of any speedkill chart just because other styles can get pretty strong, but I wouldn't feel particularly bad about that.
Striker is a popular choice for speed runs on weapons like the Lance and SnS.
>>342301049
The main drawback with bushido is how ridiculiusly far a dodge puts your behind a monster. Sometimes, not even the follow up dash allows you to put yourself in between.
And you won't get kicked for using guild/striker. Hell, I find that I play better with striker LS than bushido. Despite losing the left fade slash and spirit follow up, you get to build spirit and your gauge super fast due to the 2 hunter arts and absolute evade is your get out of jail free card
>>342301486
Awesome. Seems like I'll probably go Striker. Also, any mention of G-rank potentially coming in the game? Or will Capcom only do G-rank on MH5 when it comes out?
>tfw no mhgenerations on vita
>>342300476
I'm pretty sure it depends on the weapon, anything that is not Guild Style for Hunting Horn is garbage.
>>342301792
First entries in a new generation never get G-rank. Gen isn't gonna get G if Japan didn't in MHX. If the next entry is MH5, then you won't see G-rank again for another few years yet, so I'd strongly suggest you spend your grinding on making neat, gimmicky things than ultra-efficient, megakilling things, and choose styles that actively gimp you over styles that are unarguably the best, for the sake of challenge.
For the record, striker will do things like: Remove golf swing from hammer for a third pound, remove the new, enhanced third poke from the lance for the old triple poke, remove the slam from the gunlance for a third poke, remove the backhop from the SnS, remove the smash charge on GS for the ability to hold your charge longer with now power drawbacks, and so on. It simplifies things, but that's not always in your best interest, even if it does let you charge arts from taking damage and hold three arts.
Meanwhile, Aerial, once you learn how to use it, becomes effectively an alternative Adept style, as you can jump into monster's direct attacks to jump off of them safely and perform an attack.
post codes
>>342301049
theres drawbacks to picking bushido with some MONSTERS for fucks sake
like the owl thing in the demo, i see a guy go bushido GS and im yelling at my DS going "what the fuck are you going to be dodging, fuckface, his giant confuse cloud? FUCK YOU"
>>342302040
Like clockwork.
>>342300476
The only thing you need to know is that SA in Generations is sword-only central. Easily the worst out of any entry prior in this regard. It has an art that increases the damage output of sword mode even further in exchange for causing the gauge to drop at all times, but it also has an art that instantly refills the gauge and adds an affinity boost, and its third art is a 10 second long combo fest that is even stronger with the demon sword art in effect. Aerial does a sword attack going up AND down, striker is built for infinite sword at all times, and bushido... well, bushido seems pretty half-and-half, given that its axe mode attack is the fucking hack 'n' slash finisher (which is even stronger now, doing 3 hits for 95 MV total) and having only one art means you can't do the demon sword / phial recharge combo for infinite sword mode.
>>342302742
>using meme axe at all
>complaining its a shitty weapon
>>342301486
>Ultimately the real limiting factor here is the fact that Monster Hunter Generations will not have a G-rank.
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>>342303052
Switch axe isn't a shitty weapon at all. In fact, the infinite demon sword puts it as one of the strongest weapons in the game, period.
It's just that I have been lamenting the degradation of the playstyle phasing out axe more and more.
>>342303052
Not him/her/it, but I used SA since MHTri, so if I use it, it aint for the memes.
It's cause it's good.
>>342303052
>switch axe is a meme weapon now
I just want summer to end.
>>342303052
I think switch axe is the only weapon where every single style isfun
What style is best for Hammer?
>>342303718
Aerial and Adept.
Aerial allows you to double pound in the air as well as do a super quick superpound charge, and changes your superpound into a buffed up upswing on third charge.
Adept opens up a whole new slew of charge attacks that you can hold and move around with, making it one of the most lenient Adepts.
>>342303934
>aerial hammer
My panties are wet.
>>342300476
>30 FPS.
Nah fuck you Capcom.
>>342303161
There is literally more content in MHG than there was in MH4U, and it's made even worse when you consider that High rank basically becomes filler in games that have G Rank.
>>342305042
My G-rank set in 4U consists entirely of High Rank parts, with one early g-rank part for an additional but ultimately optional skill, and to fill out the look.
Early Honed Blade, man. Honed Blade, Speed Sharpener, Status+1, with my weaponfu of 4U the Zamtreacherous Maw.
It's a shame people consider high rank to be filler. There's so much good to be found in it.
I need Hunting Horn info. Good Styles, Bad Styles, better or worse then its 4u incarnation?
>>342303718
Aerial hammer, my man
you will feel like Thor
Everything in MHX is moderately balanced. Charge blade has been nerved back to acceptable levels, and nothing feels to over or underpowered. Even the prowler mode deals out decent enough damage to make it viable.
>>342305367
Guild is better than 4U.
Its styles are all... hhhhh. Hrrrrmm... how do I put this politely?
Questionable.
Its arts are fairly lacklustre so striker is right out, adept can be okay if you hit all three notes to encore your previous song, but ultimately you're gonna wonder if you're doing it for the moveset or for the dodging, and aerial's... it just moves the double hit into the air, and loses an art.
>>342305649
God fucking damnit. Those fucking Japs need to get their shit together. My favorite weapon sounds like it's shit now.
>All these shitters complaining about balancing
>All these shitters complaining about "meme weapons"
>All these shitters complaining about no G rank
You niggers know that you could be playing as a cat, slapping the shit out of monsters, catching boomerangs and supporting the team right.
>>342305405
>>342303934
sounds exquisite
Are there any monsters where it would be better to choose guild or striker?
>>342305893
No, the guild's good. Better than ever, actually. When you actually hit the monster with an attack, the note you played for that move gets upgraded. If you play a song entirely full of upgraded notes, it'll encore the previous song you played as well.
But its arts are:
>Sonic Blast (two hits over the shoulder and a damaging soundwave)
>Full Orchestra (any note you play will always be upgraded for the duration of the art)
>Souls Symphony (play all songs your horn is capable of at once, but ONLY FOR YOU)
So kind of lacklustre compared to some other weapons. Still neat but you're not gonna get top 20 speedkills with it.
And ultimately if you find a style to be more enjoyable, just go for it. You're going to need that gimping if you're to find Gen challenging at all, given that it's only high rank.
is everyone going to leave mh4u?
>>342305902
We need to get all prowler rooms up on /v/. Played a bit of nargacuga with them with a full prowler team and we kept each other alive as a team through health horns and the occasional palico rally. It really felt like we were working together while hunting the thing due to the no potion thing.
>>342306250
>>342305405
>>342303934
>>342304070
>>342303718
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfAF_FLEVfA
>>342306263
I'm looking forward to it. Just kinda blows that I hear that Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate is more challenging overall than MHGen.
>>342306284
Depends on how much I enjoyment I will get out of Generations.
Adept LBG will make it hard for me to go back to MH4U.
>>342306551
Depending on who you speak to, the endgame quests can be about as challenging as G-rank, given that you're in high rank gear against some supremely buffed up stuff.
What's the best style for SnS? I was enjoying bushido in the demo, but I tend to gravitate towards a status+trap build, so I was thinking Aerial would allow even more down time on the monster.
>>342306284
4U fucked itself when it made the endgame grinding Rajang for a million years and everyone getting one-shotted
>>342306980
Also the fact that Apex Anything was pretty unenjoyable. Hard as balls, but not the enjoyable kind of difficulty in the slightest.
>aerial hammer
>>342306284
Nah, I'll be going back because I enjoy guild quests and randomized gear (90's Diablo fan). I'll probably alternate between the two, because I like both.
>>342306730
Striker SnS tends to be the best by numbers, but I find it unenjoyable because I can't do Adept Backhops.
>>342306646
>Depending on who you speak to
So, like speaking to people who never played MH4U? Or just retards?
Even if MHGen is much easier than MH4U, I'll still play it when I'm too fatigued by the challenge in 4U.
Being very general, most weapons want bushido.
Notable weapons that don't would be guild GS, striker SnS, and aerial SA.
>>342301049
Striker Lance still has the third poke at the cost of the useless slash while having really good hunter arts.
Evade lancers will always pick striker over bushido
>>342306980
Insect Glaive might have been the meme weapon, but fuck was it powerful in good hands. Saved my ass against Level 140 Rajangs in group hunts all the time.
I've heard it's been rebalanced in MHX so it's not as grossly overpowered as it was in 4U. I'm wondering what the best style for it will be...
POST SOME DEMO CODES
>>342306354
should you always try to go for the air double pound or always go for the single/charged slam?
>bows can stun monsters and break parts that are hard to reach.
>can now cut off tails.
Why are bows so perfect /v/?
>>342307592
Funnily enough, Aerial.
Your upward polevault becomes a forward polevault and you move around with such extreme speed and cover so much distance that you become The Human Nargacuga.
>>342305042
Not True, without counting expiditions, guild quests, and relics, they are very close, and even then, a larger percent of MHG quests are shitty gathering type quests. Once you add in the procedurely generated stuff from 4u, then 4U definitely takes the cake.
Now, the quality and variety of the content is certainly debatable, and one I'm not particularly qualified to comment on.
>>342308092
It could always cut tails, it's just a teensy bit easier now.
I think I'll actually stay away from Adept Bow, because it loses the backhop, arc shot, and has only one art, for instant lv3 on dodge.
This strikes me as a bad deal given that focus arcs are pretty decent, and in guild, if you backhop again after a backhop, you'll backdive and instantly charge to lv3 and don't need to take an attack to the face to do so, plus the second art (which could easily be the Battle Ready Absolute Evade to make up for the lack of Bushido dodge).
>>342306354
>that fucking video
God damn that's cool.
Assuming all things MH are welcome in this thread, how do I git gud with the hammer in 3U? I'm trying to get the two earrings from doing all the arena quests with all weapons and Plesioth and Rathalos keep destroying my anus. I can handle w/e as long as I can bring a buddy along, but the solo quests are a pain in the ass for me.
>>342308092
Here's another one for you.
>>342308514
I don't see how loosing the backhop and arc shot ruins bow for you. Just a swig of dash juice/mega dash juice if you're thinking stamina will be a problem. there's a hunter art that increases bows charge speed and speed when unsheathed so you can stay on the monster. adept bow is pretty great.
>>342302498
autist
>>342302498
You literally CAN bushido dodge his confuse cloud, retard. Try it sometime, just roll into the edge of it.
>>342308910
>I don't see how losing the backhop and arc shot ruins bow for you
I already explained how.
Arc shot is a good long-distance punisher and can deal some stamina damage, which is welcome given that stamina > rage in this entry. Obviously focus bows only, but focus arcs are pretty alright if aimed well.
Backhopping twice does the same shit Adept does, at any time, without having to tank an attack to the face to do it. There's a new move that charges you to level 3 if you backhop twice.
Having one art instead of two is just plain worse. I'd rather have Accel Rain plus something else, instead of just Accel Rain. If I want the bushido dodge to avoid the enemy's attacks, I'll just use Absolute Evasion as the second art and still have access to a more complete moveset than Adept would have.
Not to mention that, you remember that bows are extremely reliant on hitting weak spots consistently, right? A Bushido dodge pushes you so far out of the way it's not even funny, and you're going to have to spend time adjusting your aim and position again to hit decent parts.
played the demo for a bit. Aerial HBG felt fun as fuck, fuck reloading I'll just jump off your head and smack you with my fucking gun.
Any other gunner styles that are fun as balls now?
Aerial gunlance is so fun
If you hop and realize something'll hit you when you land you can fire for more air time, and I don't think any other weapon can do shit like that
>>342309492
Oh. I never even knew that. Sorry.
>the easiest MH game yet
>made even easier with styles
>doesn't even have G mode
>>342309724
There was that one GIF/WEBM floating around for a while that had a Glaive dodging Tigerstripe Zamtrios's returning water beam by doing a pheromone shot in mid-air to extend the air time.
>>342309663
Adept dodges give you something like a 10-second power boost.
Also you tried using rapid shots and doing X+A after stepping off the monster, right? You'll shoot yourself right over it.
>>342309925
>the easiest MH game yet
no P3rd and 3U still hold this
>made even easier with styles
styles and arts still have huge risk huge reward elements to them
>doesn't even have G mode
the variant system/ticket system make up for this
that is pretty much your g rank
>>342309808
If my post had a bit of venom to it, I apologize for that. I'm just tired of seeing people say that adept bow is the only good bow, when a good bow user shouldn't be getting hit in the first place.
Aerial bow is just pure masochism, but imagine doing some ultra-gimmicky Level 2 | Spread Lv5 shit with it for pure funsies.
>>342309978
I haven't tried that shit, but now I kinda have to.
I like this new shit
>>342310197
>3U
>easy
Are you joking me here? Stygian Zinogre was absolute hell, and Gold/Silver Raths are almost as bad as they are in 4U, though thankfully not QUITE as bad.
Never mind Abyssal Lagiacrus being a masochist's fantasy.
>>342309925
The game is easy BECAUSE of the styles, it isn't made "even easier" with them.
>>342310241
It's some fun stuff. Once you get real good with Aerial, you can learn to jump into non-projectile attacks and get i-frames from jumping off them, which can turn into shooting yourself straight over the monster and to the other side.
I can't say it's very good in terms of pure damage output, but it's still very fun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS5z0_wqBv0#t=20
Kind of wish we could natively embed youtube videos straight into the image area, instead of needing to click or copy the link in the post.
>>342310707
>#t=20
Whoops.
Slide it back to the beginning.
>>342305335
What set is that?
>>342311246
Skull Visage (High Rank)
Rebellion Mail (End of High Rank)
Ukanlos Gauntlets (End of High Rank)
Obituary Alae X Waist (Early G-Rank)
Ukanlos Greaves (End of High Rank)
The helm, body, gauntlets and boots alone will give you Honed Blade, plus a slot on the body that gets doubled, and a slot on... either the gauntlets or greaves, I think the gauntlets. I use that with a two-slot charm to get Speed Sharpener and Honed Blade.
Obituary Alae X is for +2 status and two slots, perfect for fitting in a Disabler 2 jewel to get +5 status.
So as little as a status+5 charm with two slots (not even an endgame charm) will give you Status +1, Speed Sharpener, and Honed Blade. This is perfect for my Zamtreacherous Maw which relies on the hack 'n' slash and phial burst to get in paralysis, yet doesn't have a whole lot of purple to work with.
That said, you could swap out the waist with other stuff. It won't look nearly as good, but it's pretty modular given that the primary skill is provided by just four pieces.
>COME ON AND SLAM!
Is there an armor set picture for both male and female hunters?
>>342310528
3U gives you 50 base defense without armor
its one of the easiest games
>>342312253
>defence
>meaning anything
Sure the early game was a little less punishing but pretty much nothing changed about the endgame. You're able to achieve way higher defence values in 4U than you ever have been capable of in 3U and it still won't make up for an ability to git gud.
Is this game actually challenging or do the styles actually invalidate everything?
>>342312586
It doesn't have G-rank so that's right out. Bushido pretty much makes you untouchable, but it's not guaranteed to have the best damage output. Arts and certain styles become very, very strong and can deal untold levels of damage output.
The game CAN be challenging at the end, but it's easy to undo all of that if you only choose the strongest combinations of everything.
For me, the fun is in the hunts themselves, a sort of fair challenge, rather than testing my limits against the hardest things, so I'm gonna actively gimp myself by not trying to min/max everything this time.
>>342306263
Honestly, and this is coming from a Great Sword main, I've been playing hunting horn a lot in the demo and between the encore system and adept style it feels so good. The encore system really shines when you are being aggressive and adept style allows you to stay close all the time. Finally there's a benefit to using the horn the way you are supposed to.
Wait for this game or get mh4u?
>>342314320
We're at the point where you probably won't get even close to finishing mh4u if you got it now, so get this, then when you feel like you're finished with it, go back to mh4u. They have some different monsters and the movesets are a bit different so it'll feel like a mostly different game, if a bit more restricting.
>>342314513
Why won't I finish mh4u? Is coop really that important?
>>342314801
Because these games have literal hundreds of hours worth of content, anon, and MHX is due in something like... 22 days?
First off you might want to wait eight days for the demo to come out to find out if you like the gameplay, first.
30 fps
>>342315050
>>342314801
Actually the MH4U demo might still be up. I don't know. Check for that.
>>342315092
I don't think it ever had higher than that 'til 3U/4U.
Besides, you don't play Monster Hunter for the graphics.
>>342302040
be happy you at least get every other mh clone such as gods eater toukidan freedom wars and soul sacrifice delta
Inb4 tier list is posted based off fastest kill times and autists get triggered
Mhx reduces skill ceiling for charge blade by removing gp -> aed
Unforgivable
You guys are blowing this out of proportion. I pirated MHX back when everyone was pirating shit for their 3DSes. It's a new Monster Hunter game. It's fun, it's got cool shit in it.
G-Rank was always a tacked on mess in the previous games. The game is overall a more cohesive experience than the previous games because High Rank isn't a flyover part of the game just to get to the end. G-Rank isn't even that hard in earlier games and it's clear that it's just tacked on each time.
The game is sufficiently difficult. Even with Bushido/Adept style, it isn't the best or easiest option for all weapons.
I am surprised you guys all didn't just hack your 3DSes and pirate MHX when it was huge. I can't believe there is any hype for this game at all given the thousands of people that already pirated MHX and played it.
>>342307954
The double hit is more for when you know you can hit the monster both times. It takes a while for it to actually happen but is good for building up KO damage or mounting damage
>>342316242
It's non Mon Jun players hyped from e3
Ofc actual players pirated/imported.
These guys are newbloods
>>342316497
Some of us don't approve of pirating, or actually wanted to read the game's dialogue.
>>342316497
I've been waiting on purpose to let my 4U burnout wear off. I've had my 3DS CFW'd for ages
>>342316905
It's probably not that interesting anyway.
The dialogue is just something to get this to happen
>Oh man, you're a new hunter!
>Go kill shit
>Oh man, now there is like 4 villages, don't they look familiar?!
>Look at all these characters you remember from the old games!
>>342306354
Nigger, you just made me super fucking hyped for Monster Hunter Gen.
Thank you, anon.
>>342316497
I'm just too damn lazy to hack my 3DSI did buy it on my Jap 3DS though.
>>342317059
Probably not, but I still like reading it, especially given that some of those villages are going to be completely new to me, being a tribabby and all.
>>342316242
I don't pirate because I don't have/want to, and I'd rather buy it legally and play it with my friends over the internet with my N3DS on the latest firmware.This is not bait.
>>342317272
You'll be really disappointed. The villages are Yakumo (Portable 3rd), Pokke (Freedom Unite) and some other village from MH. Unless the localization team somehow changes Yakumo to Mogi then you're fucked.
>>342317332
You can play over the internet with pirated copies. The 3DS has no way to detect that shit.
>>342317332
You can still play with friends on latest firmware. I'm okay with you not pirating if you don't want to but just saying that the latter is a nonissue
>>342317459
Still don't give a shit.
If MHX doesn't get good enough sales, I'm not seeing my Monster Hunter Stories. You know Capcom is going to hold it hostage, you know this is true.
>>342317272
Okay you know what, I'm gonna admit that my post here >>342316905 isn't totally true. On some level I don't approve of piracy, but ultimately that's just for myself. It has more to do with laziness as >>342317263 said than anything. The one time I was willing to set up my 3DS, it was actually more involved to do than it is now.
>>342317423
...Why? I'm still seeing a minimum of four new villages. I've had Moga in two games already, I'm fine with not seeing it. Yukumo seems like a lovely place.
>>342317553
Mainly, my reason for not pirating, (like I said to >>342317459 ) is not because of the sake of pirating or some shit, but mainly because I want my mother fucking Monster Hunter Stories. And I feel if MHX doesn't get good sales in the West, Capcom will pull some nigger move and fuck us.
>>342317627
Generations is supposed to be a nod to monster hunter fans. No one in the west has even seen Yakumo, because Portable 3rd, the game that introduced Japanese people to the third generation was never released in the US.
>>342317774
...Yeah, and? It doesn't need to pander to my nostalgia for me to appreciate seeing where the series has come from.
>>342317737
Mhx only came to west because a lot of people begged. I don't think we're getting stories
>>342317613
>>342317737
You're seriously better off learning Japanese than waiting and hoping for spinoffs like that to get an english release
>>342317613
that's why i'm buying X, because I want Stories
>>342317923
Honestly, I'm 100 times more fucking excited about Stories than Monster Hunter Generations, and that has been since Summer 2015 when we got the teaser.
If Stories doesn't come to US, I'm gonna kill myself, or kill every single developer at Capcom.
>>342318093
Glad to see I'm not the only one. I mean, don't get me wrong (I loved 4U, a lot, still do), I'm kind of looking forward to MHX, but NOWHERE near as much as Stories.
Especially after the latest trailer/teaser they gave us last month for Stories. I shat my fucking pants because I'm so fucking hyped.
>>342318236
You'd better start practicing your knots then
>>342318236
>>342318374
Better start learning jap
>>342318384
Digging up my Boy Scout handbook. I'm doing this right the first time.Seriously, FUCK Capcom.
>>342314196
>>342314357
When the fuck did they amp up the anime? This what MHX is all about?I don't hate it
>>342318731
They added Hunter Arts, which are basically super moves that charge up from damaging monsters. Depending on which style you use you can equip 1-3 of them. There are generic ones that can be used with any weapon (like a super dodge) and weapon specific ones.
SA main here that's most likely going Aerial style because goddamn that double air slice is sexy. I've been meaning to pick up a secondary weapon for a long time, but could never settle on one. Here are my options...
>SnS
The weapon I cut my teeth on MH back in Tri, would be nice to come back to it.
>HH
Tried to pick it up in 4U, but all the song combos turned me off.
>Hammer
Gotta have a blunt option, and there's only 2 choices. Sadly I've never touched a hammer in my hundreds of hours playing MH.
>Bow
Always wanted to do a ranged weapon and it's supposed to be the most melee friendly ranged weapon.
>>342319342
Nice blog, just play whatever Jesus Christ. Pick one, hate it? Pick another. Noone cares what weapon you use except tier lists fags
As long as you don't play ls, lance or GL online you're fine
>>342319590
>not playing Lance online
What? Why wouldn't I play Lance online? Is it shit again?
>>342320063
You'll trip every melee hunter in your group
>>342320237
No, they'll fucking trip you, retard.
>>342320423
Fucking how? If you're standing right on top of their dick? The pokes have the narrowest fucking hitbox in the world.
>>342320423
*Uses charge poke*
>>342320572
That was meant for >>342320237
>>342319342
You're going to be using Aerial on some things and Striker on everything else, trust me. SA Striker is so damn OP it makes 90% of SAs not even worth making and it's laughably OP.
>>342321783
How do you know its op, it's just a demo
>>342321903
The game has been out for months
>>342322141
It's not out yet
>>342322282
It's Monster Hunter Cross with all the JDLC cut out of it, most people who wanted to beat it burnt out on it. Shit game, desu.
>>342322985
Cross isn't generations
>>342323525
Yes it is
>>342321783
Striker SA loses the sword double slash though, Guild would probably be a better fit unless it's difficult connecting both hits on the monster
>>342320592
What fucking charge poke? You mean the charging attack where you run forward? Holy shit, if you mean that you really are fucking retarded. You barely use that in singleplayer let alone multiplayer. It's not like it's one of its main attacks, you retard.
>>342324046
Yeah, that's how it WAS.
But apparently there's some new feature about striker and lance in MHX that makes "charge constantly" do tons of damage.
>>342322985
>JDLC cut out of it
no
>>342324046
Not him, but Striker gives the Lance charge poke a massive boost in power
>>342324218
Holy fucking shit, you really are retarded. Have you even played the fucking game? I played MHX fucking months ago and mained the lance for over 200 hours and none of hwat you said makes any fucking sense.
>>342308514
adept bow is actually considered borderline OP due to how strong getting instant level 3 is
>>342324315
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiORv0Tu9Zs
this is what he means
>>342323898
Guild is viable too, but Striker charges arts faster and with that last slot, can have the OP energy charge/devilish swordsman combo AND retalative evasion to keep sharpness up without sheathing.
>>342324251
>data from demo
>relevant
kek
>>342324881
explain how its irrelevant
>>342324470
That's fucking hilarious.
>>342324987
they can remove it in the actual game
I want demo now. I'm sick of not being able to progress solo in g2 because of how shit I am.
>>342325902
Then fucking give in and play with others then
>>342325902
wait 9 days or pay $4 to humble bundle, goy.
>>342326050
I want free demo now
>>342326072
That humble bundle is already over anon. So that guy is shit out of luck.
>>342326072
>pay $4 to humble bundle, goy.
humble promo is gone. its officially just wait 9 days now
>>342326403
>>342326431
sucks for him, then
>>342326547
really does. I got sent codes for ORAS, Smash and 4U but didnt get this one and I got pissed then I remembered my 3DS has CFW so I could just wait for someone to dump it
Why did they name it generations? there's already a MHG in japan.
This shit is almost as confusing as the whole early final fantasy numbering.
>>342324470
>lagiacrus without swimming in the game
He always felt really easy on land. So did they give him some new moves or moves from ivory lagiacrus to make him more dangerous?
>>342300815
Agreed. Even GS which should benefit heavily from it can make good use out of it, but the real damage dealer, the Quick Charge Smash attack is almost impossible to aim or get a chance to use since most monsters recover too quickly or you just dodged in the middle of a combo.
>>342326719
Imagine Khezu. Now imagine Khezu fucked Kirin. The resulting monster is an AoE Frontier shitfest, not even really that difficult just tedious as all hell.
>>342326862
>can make good use...
I meant "can't" make good use of it.
>>342301486
If they close the window they need to buff its retaliations (honestly need to do that for some weapons anyways) otherwise it won't be worth the fucking effort.
>>342305335
But for most weapon classes G rank will give them far more and better armor skills.
When are they going to put another Monster Hunter on the WiiU?
It's really not fair.
3U was fantastic and i've played it to death since release.
hows this game on a regular 3ds XL? i was thinking of upgrading to a N3ds but that seems like a waste for just one game
>>342326719
JUST FUCK MY SHIT UP -Lagiacrus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRLevj9k1b8&feature=youtu.be&t=241
>>342327510
What chest armor is the IG player wearing? That thing looks cool, skills are probably shit but whatever.
>>342327362
Never. Because their casual market plays the games on handhelds, and the popular handheld in the market they choose to make games for is a fucking heap of garbage hardware wise.
>>342316242
Basically this. The only reason everyone cared so much about the G rank games was because of the amount of content that meant. Having a High rank game with equal content just means less refighting stupid shit again for a third rank. Although new G rank armors will be missed. Unless this game has unique high rank armor this time around?
>>342327690
Ostgaloa armor #2. It has two skills, one increases HA charge rate, another increases their potency. It's also fully recolorable, like Grand Mizuha.
>>342326676
You can use CIAngel or the Freeshop to pirate the demo from nintendos servers.
aerial GS. you're welcome.
>>342328032
>less refighting stupid shit
>equal content
If only you knew the sheer degree you are fucking wrong.
>>342328186
Only GS style worse than Bushido.
>>342326940
It's actually over Frontier levels.
It is a monster made of nothing but AoEs, which not even Frontier dares to do because they know it's shit.
And on top of that the AoEs are crap too.
Poor Laggy got a very hard shaft.
>9days for free demo
Guess I'll do a fresh run with longsword in MH4U, which will come first?
Me hitting G-rank or the demo coming out
>>342329016
demo is already out
even a way for US residents to get it without the use of homebrew.
>>342329016
>See that crop reposted all the time
>Can never find the full image of it
FUCK
>>342324251
Not saying the original name was any better, but why is Capcom's English localizing team are so shit at their job?
So, how do aerial style dodge iframes work? It seems like it has some really generous invincibility time as well, although not as much as bushido of course.
>>342329957
Only thing I can think of is that Non-native english people have the say so. So they don't know it sounds fucking retarded over here.
I'm HBG primary, GS secondary (although I'm thinking I'll switch to GL).
What styles are best for me?
>>342330303
Considering you literally pick what style you want from your equipment box whenever the fuck you want, it doesn't matter.
Male or Female character?
I've played as male in all the four games I've played so far. Might change things up a bit, even though the tankier sets look pretty bad on females.
>>342330868
Pick what weapon you're going to use.
Look up the optimal end game set for that weapon.
Pick Female or Male based on how it looks.
>>342330990
It's gonna be some kind of rathalos armor in any case.
>>342330868
Most of the time it's males for full sets, females for mix sets.
>>342324470
Are you fucking serious? Did they just happen to give the monsters in MHX some lead paint chips to make them all retarded?
That was at least a whole minute of both the hunter and the Lagi doing their own respective fucking actions over and over again.
>>342303052
>main SA since Tri
>now have to deal with bandwagoners hopping on the weapon because of infinite sword mode or aerial style
>>342331660
Likewise, amigo. We must endure the niggers who think of nothing but memes.
>>342324470
Uh oh. They made a tribute to MonHun 1. Headlock is back.
>MHGen has two sources of Dash Extracts
>>342331660
>get into MH by emulating P3rd
>main SA, since it's 1) an axe 2) a transformer weapon
>but it didn't feel quite right in either of those aspects
>4U comes out
>instantly fall in love with CB
>it's the perfect transformer weapon with heavy axe mode
>bandwagoners and jealous memers ruin it
>they move onto SA in MHGen while I'm left with a broken weapon to pick up the pieces
>>342331660
>>342332245
And when they broke for Gen it they didn't actually fix the one thing that was wrong, the KO output.
It's sad really.
>all these butthurt elitist autists who are mad that people might pick their weapon of choice now
>>342332560
Welcome to MH, newfriend. One of the few co-op games with exclusively competitive playerbase.
>>342332810
>competitive playerbase
>mh
said no one ever
>>342332810
Are you joking or memeing too?
>>342332560
>DB will forever remain mid tier and never become a spicy meme used by everyone
No worries here
>>342302498
You realize you can Bushido dodge through both the confuse cloud AND his sleep beam, right?
>>342300476
Every style has a downside, I fucking hate aerial because the dodge takes longer, and you generally lose super useful abilities (power/arc shots for Bow, ground charging for GS).
Bushido is great for Bow, other ranged weapons have a forced reload after a dodge, so you're vulnerable there if you're against a quick monster. Melee weapons have problems with spacing, so SA and DB get fucked if you're used to staying close range with those small dodges.
Striker has the most limited basic moveset in exchange for three skills and the ability to spam them (they charge by using other skills), but if you only equip damage dealing skills you can really hurt the monster.
Guild is great if you love the older games, but it has no other bonuses.
Started with MH4U but I saw a used cheap copy of 3U the other day and playing through it right now. Really liking the locations, I have a thing for beaches and the sea so Deserted Island is maximum comfiness, nothing like walking through forest rivers leading to the sandy beach.
>>342333562
DB bushido is literally an attack in itself, so repositioning from dushidodge is a non-issue for them, it is one of the weapons that utilize bushido best.
Although I'd say Hammer is the best BM weapon to use it on, since bushidodge puts you in a super charge mode, in which you can move freely and don't have to commit to a counter attack immediately after.
>>342333610
MH has REALLY nice and scenic locations, too bad their beauty is often lost on the player. Doubly so, first because of low 3DS resolution, and second, because you just don't have much time to enjoy the scenery while fighting huge monsters.
>>342333754
>DB bushido is literally an attack in itself
Didn't realize that since I'm not a DB user, Bushido SA is pretty bland though.
Bow was one of my top 3 weapons in MH4U, so I'm loving Bushido.
I want the free hunt from tri to return, I would sometimes just use it to roam around the area because it was so nice and surprisingly peaceful unless a big mon dropped in
>>342334047
Get ready to be called a shitter and a memer for using Bow in MHGen.
>>342330125
You seem to initiate the jump just as the attack revs up, as long as you collide with the kick up you shouldnt get damaged
You can jump up from charging monsters even if you get it right
>>342334398
So, if you collide with the monster as you're doing the salto animation, you're invincible?
>>342334518
Yeah, if you have the demo you can easily demonstrate it by dodging roars or the owls charge
Hammer bro here. I have a feeling I'll just stick with the vanilla guild style. None of the other styles clicked with me.
>>342334682
I have the demoand the full game, but I just don't like aerial style as a concept. I tried it once or twice, but didn't practice the iframe abuse too much.
>>342334227
That's fine, I was called a shitter for using bows other than Kama Sedition in MH4U. Also, I've played with those types already, it's pretty obvious they've never used Gunner weapons, 80% of the Bow users I've played with weren't even at critical range.
>>342335003
That's not exactly what I meant.
Kama Sedition was really strong and deviating from the cookie cutter build was suboptimal.
In MHGen it's the other way around. Bow and especially bushido bow is really strong, so expect an influx of unskilled hunters flocking to the weapon.
>>342333562
>Guild is great if you love the older games, but it has no other bonuses.
Well it has two slots for arts, so there's that.
>>342335386
And it loses nothing from its moveset, making it most complete
>>342335132
Yeah that was kind of a bad comparison, I was just pointing out Bow users get shit on a lot.
People just like to shit on whatever is good at the moment because they like to feel superior. IG in MH4U was really easy to fuck over other players with, but if you knew how to play it well and timed your mounts you could really help the team out and deal massive damage.
>mfw no code for demo
>>342335386
I meant non-arte bonuses, Aerial has the kick-jump, Bushi has the dodge, and Striker has spammability since it feeds it's own playstyle.
>>342335567
>latefags
If you aint guild style sns then you are a nobody
>MH3U
Dual swords
>MH4U
Insect Glaive
Dunno what to go with in Generations. Maybe SnS for once
>>342326719
Capcom calls it MHGen so who fucking cares?
>>342335567
That reminds me, I have a code. Anyone want it? Just post an email and I'll send it to you.
First person to post shoe on head with email gets a code.
>>342335605
It has the bonus of not losing moves and not having the player going "wait what the fuck did this move do again"
Is there a guide to weapons/arts and their movesets, preferable combinations somewhere? What are some most effective weapons in mhg?
>>342336365
There is. The ones that you're good with.
>>342336281
>somone will do this
>that said someone would rather do this dumb degrading shit then spend an hour or so hacking his 3ds and getting the japanese version and the demo for free
>>342336365
Gaijin Hunter on Youtube.
>>342336365
Gaijinhunter has videos for each weapon in the game. Though he'll be right about some things, take some of his opinions with a grain of salt and make your own observations. Sometimes he accidentally leaves out some information.After all, how many people here know that you can go straight into Burst 1 (and thus axe mode) right after loading phials in CB's sword mode? Works in both 4U and Gen, it's seldom used for a reason.
>>342332245
u wot m8, Adept CB in MHGen is amazing
>>342336827
His videos do a great job at showcasing weapon moves, styles and in some cases motion values. Just gather the dry facts from them, and form your own opinion.Every semi-competent CB user does.
Is there any reason not use striker over guild with SnS?
I've never played Monster Hunter before, but since I got myself a 3DS I might as well try. Do you have any tips for a newbie in MH4U? What weapons are good for beginners?
>>342337539
No. That's why striker is the most used style on SnS and SnS is the weapon striker styled is used the most with.
>>342337539
If you really want 4U's backhop.
>>342337565
There is no beginner weapon. Try them all out and stick with the one you liked the most.
You don't even have to choose one, you can play one quest with one weapon and the next with another. Although doing so would obviously entail higher maintenance cost - more weapons means you need more materials and money, as well as more time to hunt more monsters. Also melee weapons and ranged weapons use different armor types too.
>>342337565
Honestly, just try them all. Though do be aware that gunner weapons are fairly expensive to maintain early on, if you go with those, try to save your money and buy most ammo during half off sales.
Personally, the weapons i go with on a new game are GS, SNS, HH, or Hammer. If i can make a decent Power Shot bow then I'll keep that around for shits and giggles too.
>>342337565
starting out you need to strike a good balance between playing it safe and pushing yourself. you need to be patient so you can learn monsters and their movements/attack, but you should also striving to land an extra attack or aiming at a weak spot. sword and shield i feel is the best beginner weapons because it isn't really "gimmicky" and all the attacks are pretty quick, so you can learn how to commit to attacks at your own pace while learning the general gameplay. after you feel you can handle the controls well, you can move onto different slower weapons.
>>342338054
Power shot is baseline for all Bows in MHGen.
>>342338227
He was specifically asking about 4U.
>>342338052
Sent ;)
>>342338292
>new game
The new game is MHGen.
I think I'm going to try gunlance this time around, it's the only weapon I haven't really used at all along with lance and well, gunlance is cooler
What are some important skills for gunlance? Is guard/evasion + a must?
>>342338334
Im aware i said new game, but i was giving advice to someone who asked about 4U.
>>342337565
>Do you have any tips for a newbie in MH4U? What weapons are good for beginners?
>>342337565
Short answer is to try them all. After the first two tutorial quests that tell you to gather shit, you unlock a whole bunch of weapon tutorials that pit you into the arena with the weapon and a Great Jaggi. The only tutorial there that doesn't really do its respective weapon justice is Bow, as you're stuck using the arc shot.
I notice some beginners are often drawn to Long Sword and Dual Blades, and then they move to something else when they hit a brick wall.
>>342338334
MHX is over 8 months old
>>342338586
Thanks, Captain.
>>342338328
>actually worked
Damn anon thanks a ton.
Why cant you immediately turn around after the just guard reload for your slam for the gunlance
you have to wait like a second and thats totally fuckin with my flow, the weapon is so delicious to play otherwise, I can't wait to get my hands on that dash hunter art
>>342338842
No problem, anon!
>Bushido LS's full counter attack has a motion value of 135(25, 30+80)
That's practically an entire spirit combo.
>>342339473
Some Bushido counters are pretty weak, while others are absurdly strong.
Lance's is 44+37, and GL's is something like 64+80+full burst
I wish the new ammo types for bowguns were actually useful
But no, bowguns are still PIERCE ONLY
Even LBGs don't use element anymore, they're pierce guns now too
>>342338395
The usual evasion skills if you want to do lots of dodging, but generally Lance is better for that since Lance has better dodging mechanics.
Guard+2 is essential for reducing stamina chip from blocking if you're going to do a guard set. Guard Up optional for when you're going against monsters like Gravios with the laser.
Other than that Artillery God for improving your shells.
>>342340027
Actually, both LBG and HBG now commonly use both physical and elemental based ammo. Lv2 element and ele-pierce shots are pretty nasty.
>>342338395
Just make the generic blademaster set. CE+2, Weakness Exploit, Super Critical, Razor Sharp.
>people like gs and hammer because they're the easiest weapons to use
>people hate gravios and most elder dragons because they take skill and preparation to fight
>people like piss easy pleb monsters that even a blind retard with mismatched gear could beat on his first try
Why are monster hunter fans such casuals?
What does Rusted Kushala actually do differently from regular Kushala in MH4U? I can solo regular Kushala with some effort but for some reason Rusted just destroys me and I'm not even sure what it does differently.
>>342340163
They only use element against Glavenus.
Outside of that, it's always pierce with the Daora Grande for HBG, and either Pierce with the Hawkeye or Normal with Daora's Hornet for LBG.
Nobody uses element in MHX. This game is raw and blast only.
>>342340252
>GS and Hammer
>Easiest to use
>>342340395
its super fast, deflects everything below purple and hops from side to side every fucking second
You're going to be in there for an eternity if you truly want to solo it
>>342340470
>Nobody uses element in MHX. This game is raw and blast only.
So just like every other MH?
I wonder why element even still exists. It's never, ever been good.
>>342340604
>I wonder why element even still exists.
It still has a place as a noob trap. Not every option has to be viable, they just have to appear viable,
>>342340601
Makes sense. I play turtle with a wide GL and it's moving all over faster than I can safely get a shot in. At least regular had more openings.
>>342340793
>if you don't minmax all your builds you're considered a "noob"
we'd all be playing scatter aerial HBGs if everyone cared
>>342340874
aerial pellet is just a meme
>>342340395
More physical attacks
>>342340815
>bringing a fucking GL to rusted kushala
wew lad
use IG
>>342340815
I mean I'm going to give you props for sticking to GL
but fuck man, it aint happening
>>342341037
>>342341008
I'm certain I can do it if I believe in myself.
>>342302040
Thus the cycle begins anew.
>>342341087
While I admire your determination, you're just going to have to accept that at least for soloing, the game is basically balanced around a small handful of weapons and everything else is left in the dust.
>>342341202
I dunno, I just feel it's more "appropriate" for me to at least be able to solo any monster in the game before trying to grind it out in multi. A mentality I get from caravan mode I guess, it's more satisfying knowing I can take down a monster on my own if I had to. HP sponges like Gogmazios and Dalamadur are an exception though, I know I'll never beat those on my own with a GL.
>>342341202
nah I think he'd be standing a solid chance to solo most things with a GL, unfortunately rusted kushala simply doesn't fall into that category
>>342300476
>CB nerfed to death and got a crippled moveset now not to mention the useless skills heal cb my sides
nice
>SA gets broken buffs but no new moves that are fun to use and the combo sucks also axe mode is not viable anymore
okay
>GL slightly buffed like not even worth mentioning but only if you manage to keep the heat gauge in the right position
not worth the trouble in the end
My favorite blademaster weapons either got fucked or didn't get anything new, at least compared to other weapons that got great new moves or make great use of the styles like LS, SNS and literally all gunners.
>>342341087
Give it up. The ROMAN dream is dead. DEAAAAAAAAAD.
>>342341202
not him but i soloed rusted kush with gl and had like 3 secs left on the clock. won't recommend at all if you don't have anything close to you to let out your rage
>>342341480
Does anyone know if the nerfed the Baguette btw?
>>342341480
>GL starts 10% weaker
WHYYYYYYYYY
WHAT DID IT DO WRONG CAPCOM, AT WHAT POINT DID YOU THINK THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA
>>342341561
Effect extender nerfed, and split. They got a new affinity+30% bug, though. All of its styles(except aerial) and arts are underwhelming compared to other weapons, maybe that counts.
>>342341480
>slightly buffed
It was nerfed.
>>342341561
Motion values were nerfed big time and you don't really have Extract Extend anymore. Usage is still the same and speed nectar is still king, you just won't kill monsters as quickly.
Will this be better than mh4u?
>>342341561
Extract extender nerfed, damage bonuses of extracts nerfed unless you spec your bug for them, and they hit the motion values.
It's still a strong weapon.
>>342341732
Most weapons' arts are shit, that's not even a real drawback.
And Extract Hunter is actually pretty good.
>>342341732
>and split
I don't understand, what is split?
>>342341480
gunlance has always been an enthusiast only weapon
why they gotta kick a dog while he's down I just don't get
>>342341087
If you want to main GL then Frontier and MHO are the games for it.
>>342341881
You know how effect extender doubles all extracts? MHX makes 2 bugs that extends either the double up, or the triple up. The double up bug gets the 30% crit on white extract.
>>342341669
I don't know really.
It's a slow weapon, it sends team mates flying easily while not dealing any damage.
>>342341747
It's supposed to be slightly stronger if you filled the heat gauge.
>>342342071
the heat mechanic makes a already gimmicky weapon even more tedious to use
>>342342071
Even at full heat it's weaker because you're forced to shell, and the weapon has less sharpness than before.
>>342342121
>>342341669
>>342341747
>weapon got buffed
>but now you to press more than one button for maximum performance
>cry how it was "nerfed"
GL shitters exposed.
>>342342121
If the heat gauge only boosts the physical attack parts of the GL it shouldn't really afffect wide GL's playstyle, does it? Wide GLs just blast all day and only using stabs to position the aim. I'm assuming it's not worth it though if the problem is the fixed damage just slowly tapers off late game like MH4U.
http://youtu.be/d0g5JnqQiqU
HOLY FUCK
>>342341978
GL is a meme weapon in those games too
Frontier is DB and Tonfa only with GS and Hammer being great in certain matchups
>>342342330
>have to use suboptimal options to be able to use your optimal options
>said suboptimal option also got its damage cut from the previous game
>>342342360
Shelling only is no longer viable, shell damage is cut by 20% and most GLs only go up to shell lv3 even though most other weapon stats in MHX go quite a bit beyond usual high rank fare.
>>342342330
woah a buff of 5% if you build it up correctly and limit yourself to pokes after the wyvern fire lock removes itself, that's totally worth it being worse than in mh4u for the remainder
>>342341842
It's different. MHGen is an anniversary game that goes up to high rank and has the most unique monsters if you don't count subspecies, but only introduces seven more brand new large monsters. It pretty much recycles a lot of stuff, and has more than double the amount of gathering quests MH4U had for some reason. There's a fair share of good and shitty changes.
>>342342446
>Shelling only is no longer viable, shell damage is cut by 20% and most GLs only go up to shell lv3 even though most other weapon stats in MHX go quite a bit beyond usual high rank fare
Holy shit
>>342342446
ur a meme
frontier has a dedicated style for elemental shelling
http://youtu.be/GMA5AtAJ1vY
>>342342601
Honestly, blame them overtuning bushido GL to the point where they had to gut the rest of the weapon.
>>342342637
That doesn't make it worth using
>>342342330
it basically removes combo flexibility and forces you to do a rotation if you want to play optimally. having to shell outside of combo extending just to keep up a 5% damage buff fells like a shittier insect glaive
>>342342768
not like GL ever had combo flexibility, before the weapon was just about landing as many rising thrusts as possible and NEVER EVER shelling
they should just remove GL at this point desu
>>342342678
Actually it does.
Elemental shelling, especially paired up with the Gunlance tech skills, and load up, and lv10 shelling, you make elementally weak monsters your bitch and have heat blade on top.
Of course if you're going by meta faggots you won't see it because they all have massive hardons for duals.
Worth using and speedhunting are two vastly different things.
>>342343331
Go to sleep, Rhyperior. Nobody's interested in subscribing to your chinese MMO.
>>342303308
sa has been shit since tri
>>342343528
The only time SA has been shit is 4U.
>>342343497
I don't give a fuck.
I'm just correcting some faggot who thinks he knows everything because he watched a youtube video.
>>342343331
I don't play Frontier, why are DB and Tonfas popular in that game?
>>342344000
They are mainly popular because they allow you to do near constant damage with their quick dodges, Duals also have their feature with the 2nd demonization that consumes health instead of stamina for more damage.
Funny enough Tonfas in terms of potential DPS actually rank the lowest overall and grinding groups tend to kick or ask them to change.
Best GS style overall?
>>342300476
Get 3U for you and your dad and skip this one
>>342344164
Ah, right. I take it they are also more suited to deal with the over-the-top stuff Frontier has?
>>342344641
Guild, I believe.
>>342344832
More suited to hitting what I'd consider an "ideal" damage output since you're sticking to the monster 24/7. Paired up with Adrenaline junkies and the other skills, the damage output is massive.
However for every speedhunting video you see posted, there are easily a dozen or more failed attempts.
You can match if not best with the other weapons but it generally needs more work and experience with the weapon itself.
For example my average LS and SnS times against Jho trump my Tonfa times handily.
A lot of the styles add in extra evasive or counter-style moves so that you can stick to the monster without having to pull back back from the monster and instead evade through or just tank the attack.
The weapons and their changes are built around monsters moving faster overall so while some concepts could carry over, a lot of the actual moves wouldn't fit as well compared to mainline.
>>342329957
>glavenus instead of dinovaldo
>astalos instead of FUCKING RAIZEX
>>342345978
Glavenus is so-so, but Raizex sounds just perfect for the English release as well.
>>342345190
Got it. Do you think any weapons in mainline could benefit from some of the liberties Frontier takes on them without compromising their overall feel?
>>342346240
A few, off hand I'd say SnS, Lance, GL, LS would get the most out of the changes without going too far off base.
Also Bow aiming lines showing crit distance would be rad.
>>342300730
>coop focused game that challenges friendships because poor game design and unviable weapons/styles which may look cool but make the grindy fights longer than necessary or otherwise jeopardize the success of a hunt through carting likelihood
>not caring
>>342346151
astalos just sounds like one of those herbivore monsters
>>342346387
Shit, that actually seems usefulI hope mainline SA gets shaken up a bit and gives axe mode some more use
>>342329957
Localization teams get paid by the amount of work they do.
The more they can come up with an excuse to change the better for them.
>>342346626
I'd like to include SA in that list, but the changes are pretty radical to it in Frontier, despite Heaven making axe mode the only real mode you use and just swap into sword for single moves.
But they wouldn't fit for the mainline pacing though.
>>342346151
the names of the monsters were already englishy enough and they really really really didn't need to change them as drastically as they did.
Dinovaldo sounded fuckin wicked. Raizex is rad too.
Like dang they went from Gamuto -> Gammoth to Dinovoldo -> Glavenus like shit what is this they aren't even remotely similar.
>>342346240
MHX already took some of Frontier moves but as Hunting Arts.
>>342324046
T. Not a lance player
Striker lance running charge poke has 70mv. 70 that's insane. To give you perspective that's equivalent to a gs lv2 charge. and you can back hop out of it or combo into more pokes.
>>342347645
what about a run to aerial jump poke, i also noticed it hits at least two times
>>342347185
Such as?
>>342347819
Striker doesn't have that
>>342348102
are you kidding me..... so i have to speel out everything.
ok what is the motion value/strength of the aerial run poke when im in aerial style
>>342300476
>How is the style balancing?
Great on the weapons motion values, horrible on the Hunter Arts.
>>342347984
GL: heatblade, the rocket thruster thing
GS: the superarmor charge move
HBG: supernova
LBG: super rapid fire
HH: sonicbomb
Bow: bladewire from MHO
Off the top of my head
>>342349023
And then there's this memer again...
>>342349023
Uh oh, you're going to trigger autists with that image!
>>342349023
Make hammers great again.
>>342348418
Don't know, don't care. I only use striker lance as every other is inferior. Sorry Anon.
>>342306354
>>342307954
>air double pound
OH GOD HOW DO I DO THAT?
WHY IS THIS WEAPON LOOKING SO FUN RIGHT NOW?
Aw, man. I was planning to buy Monster Hunter 4 RIGHT NOW, but then I saw this thread and it made me really hyped for Generations. I've never played a MonHun game before. Should I buy 4 now or wait for Generations?
>>342349468
4u is better game, and is best at easing new players into the game. It does a good job at teaching you how to play where other games just throw you into the Lions den.
>>342349023
Bow superiority 2 games in a row. I love it.
Shame about those cb nerfs, they didn't need that
>>342349468
What >>342349583 said, but MHGen release is less than a month away, and most of the online will move onto that game. Although I'm pretty sure 4U is not gonna die any time soon. At the very least you will always be able to find people to play 4U with here.
>>342349390
Don't worry, that list is retarded like the anon who keeps posting it.
It has numerous errors, one of which being hammers so low. Hammer gets better times than GS on many monsters now.
>>342350175
It should be against the rules to spread false information like you're doing
>>342349468
Buy Generations for the online.Pirate 4U to get a feel for the series.
>>342349913
CB was ridiculous for what it was in 4U. That said, if it weren't for Striker and especially Adept the weapon would be fucked over massively in MHGen.
>>342349468
Play 4U instead for the time being.
>>342350385
>CB was ridiculous for what it was in 4U
Stop, just stop. CB was in the high tier in 4U, but that's that. GS, HBG and now IG have been ridiculous for ages, but everyone seems okay with it.
All changes 4U CB needed was lowering KO values on the phials. Instead its moveset got gutted and motion values nearly halved... and KO values untouched.
>>342350385
IG, GS, HBG, Bow shitted on CB in kill times.
I dont know where the cb is broken myth started but it was never the case. It needed KO reduction because no weapon should outperform hammer in regards to KO.
Gutting it's moveset and lowering it's overall skill cap was a terrible way to go about things.
>>342305335
>Statust Atk + Tigerstripe Zam weaps
My nig, I use a set pretty similar to yours but I use the Tigerstripe Hammer, Para+KO is almost too good
Post rooms assholes
Hurry before Amerifats wake up
S: Lance, HBG
A: GS, DB, LS
B: SA, CB, C@, Bow
C: Hammer
D: GL, LBG, SnS, IG
E: HH
Objectively correct listwhen soloing Dino variant lvl 10, AKA the only quest that matters. There's about a 20 second gap between the tiers, so they're quite clear cut. Except S tier, which is almost an entire minute ahead of A tier.
Best Style for LBG? that Rapid Heaven super feels so fun I'm leaning towards striker, I don't know if it even does much damage though, is it worth it to go Striker LBG with Rapid Heaven lv1/2/3?
>>342351251
I would but every time I made one it'd be DC central.
Why is SA considered so good? Is it because it's easy to stay in sword mode? Did the buff the damage. Is Striker and Arial that's the best styles? And how are the others?
>>342351315
Post the actual times and videos and not letter grades you collosal faggot
>>342351409
La 04`44`05
HBG 04`54`20
GS 05`45`25
DB 05`52`30
LS 05`54`93
SA 06`25`40
CB 06`35`58
C@ 06`49`41
Bow 06`58`70
Ha 07`23`71
GL 07`40`06
LBG 07`43`41
SnS 07`51`58
IG 07`52`20
HH 08`17`30
Hai, desu.
>>342351375
Infinite sword mode for 2 minutes is really good
>>342351465
Videos.
>>342351493
Infinite sword mode with built-in awaken, mind's eye, extra damage and affinity and all that shit.
>>342351375
>Art that buffs sword damage as long as you have meter
>Art that reloads and gives an affinity boost on top
>>342351570
The japs don't make videos. You can have their clear screens, though.
http://www65.atwiki.jp/mhxtawiki/pages/202.html
>>342351315
>>342349023
So what happened to Hunting Horn anyway? I thought GL was supposed to be the worst weapon.
>>342351465
this is like a specific style, right? I'm playing the demo for generations and Aerial HBG is the best shit.
>>342351824
Capcom forgot it was also a weapon.
![tumblr_n3bfqwZJZR1rrftcdo1_400[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/WpkYJHr.gif "tumblr n3bfqwZJZR1rrftcdo1 400[1]")
>>342306284
I accidentally deleted my MH4U pre-download and the save files trying to hack the 3DS for MHX, 800 hours lost.
So yeah.
>>342352047
This is why you back up your saves, kids
>>342351885
>La 04`44`05 Striker
>HBG 04`54`20 Adept
>GS 05`45`25 Guild
>DB 05`52`30 Adept
>LS 05`54`93 Adept
>SA 06`25`40 Striker
>CB 06`35`58 Striker
>C@ 06`49`41
>Bow 06`58`70 Adept
>Ha 07`23`71 Adept
>GL 07`40`06 Adept
>LBG 07`43`41 Adept
>SnS 07`51`58 Striker
>IG 07`52`20 Adept
>HH 08`17`30 Guild
Occasionally I play the old MH4U demo to kill Gore Magala for fun since it has set loadouts so it feels like a standard arcade game. You can still find people hosting rooms online too on the demo.
>>342351824
HH isnt a bad weapon at all, but it will always be on the bottum list as they will have so much utility.
Giving the whole team attack bonus, infinite stamine and other such thing, plus some decent stun and exhaust makes it a really good. It'll never shine in solohunts, but it was never ment for it either
>>342351970
Bullshit, especially now with double notes
>>342352131
aw shit, thanks anon.
semi related question I see a bunch of people mentioning 'bushido' style. Is that the same as Adept and it was just translated differently?
>>342352217
Yes, bushido = adept
>>342352128
Not like I cared about going back to Rajang Hunter 4U: Rise of the Je Suis Monte, haven't played the game months prior to wiping it.
>>342352217
Adept is the same as Bushido.
>>342306284
I left about a month after it released cause the endgame was so fucking bad
This one won't make me come back either from what I've played
>>342352131
>CB
>striker
Are those Dahren Mohran kill times?
>>342352273
>>342352280
neat, thanks anons.
Hoot Hoot
61-2720-0354-0926
7243
>Styles
What the fuck is this shit and what do I have to think about for hammer hammer hammer
>>342352512
All hammer styles are p.good, except striker.
>>342352462
Ok noones playing
>>342351019
I have the Najarala Horn, Tigerstripe Hammer, Gobul Lance, Gobul SnS, Tigerstripe Gunlance, and Najarala longsword also. I think I also have the Tigerstripe Charge Blade and Najarala Glaive, although I haven't used either very much.
Huge paralysis dork. Strangely, lack paralysis DB.
>>342327289
Perhaps so, but that makes a good set of basics that will carry them well past the point that they'll actually need to upgrade.
>>342327218
The way dodges work in Guild is:
>start dodge
>start of i-frames connect and start to pass through attack
>i-frames end
Most people actually can at least get the middle of their basic, unaugmented i-frame window within an attack, it's just that most people can't get the very, very beginning of their i-frames in to pass all the way through, thus the use of i-frame extension skills.
But with Adept, then as long as you touch an attack hitbox anywhere in your opportunity window (which is already larger than Guild by a significant margin), you'll pass all the way through unscathed.
I'm saying they could probably reduce the window to Guild size and the majority of people would still pull it off just fine, but if they ACTUALLY want to make it a "put yourself in danger for a big reward" style, they'll close the window a little shorter than Guild's got, meaning that only people that are ACTUALLY GOOD AT DODGING will be able to use the style effectively.
But yeah, some of those retaliations need a buff regardless. A little bit more motion value won't hurt.
>>342327739
MH5 on NX will probably be the next thing, given that NX is releasing in March, and the next MH Title will also release in march. They've tempered their sales expectations to 2 million which is typically reserved for g-games or spin-offs, and I'd wager that's because it's a new system.
Possibilities: NX will be a high-power, tablet controller with the ability to stream to TV via HDMI USB, or NX will come in Home and Portable flavours, with interchangeable carts.
>>342350560
Its KO values may have been left untouched, but the accessibility of burst attacks has been limited.
Keep in mind that CB was largely like this in MH4, and most people were in agreement that 4U was overcompensation for the CB in 4 being lacklustre. As it stands now it is a lot better than it was when it started, just not as ridiculous as the previous entry, and furthermore the 4U playstyle can be emulated via Perfect Guards in Adept Style.
>>342352512
>guild
good old hammer
>Aerial
fly into the sky and hammer hammer
>adept
dodge, then hammer really hard
>>342352925
Next monster hunter title must sell 2 million by march 2017. March is the end of a fiscal year in japan. For comparison mhx was supposed to sell 2.5 million by march 2016 and that cameout in november. It's not going to be on this nx, it will come out this november or december.
Also mh historically never launched on a new hardware and the best a new hardware can sell at launch in japan is about 400k-ish.
>>342351375
They buffed up Axe Mode's values and improved the finisher to hit 3 times for a total of 95 MV. However, most styles are geared towards Sword Only: Guild, because it has two arts for Demon Sword + Energy Recharge, Striker, because ditto, and Aerial, because a slash on the way up as well as down. Adept sword dodge actually does this double upslash thing in sword for 50 MV, but the axe mode Adept dodge does the hack 'n' slash finisher so it's nearly impossible to miss with and does 95 MV, so I mean, you could go infinite sword, but the axe is also decent. Just don't use the axe dodges online or everyone will hate you.
Is there a way to transfer my MHX save over to MHG when it comes out? I'd rather not start over. Those gathering missions are fucking exhausting and there's atleats 20 of them that are key village quests
>>342353420
This is the best argument I've had against my theories yet. Shame.
>>342353708
It's not even a theory, just misinformation and ignorance.
>>342352512
Guild is the default and gives you two slots for hunter arts. Every other style will remove parts of the moveset or change them.
Striker guts out some moves for a third arts slot, faster arts charge, and maybe other tweaks. Some weapons lose fuck all, some get some significant cutdowns.
Aerial changes the roll into a hop which will vault you off other players and monsters. Probably the weakest style overall, but can still be rad. One arts.
Adept allows rolling to counter and negate attacks/roars/wind to put you in a running state with followup options. Lance and GL instead get the perfect guard whose timing is much less lenient, CB gets both. One arts.
>>342353867
You didn't have to rub it in.
>>342301031
aerial is the worst style for sns. Striker is the best one, however. Guild style is fine if you don't want to learn new tricks.
>>342353173
Perfect guards does not let you transition into an aed. The playstyle is not even close to being the same.
>>342353708Maybe the game could get an NX port
>>342354030
Then I've been misinformed. My apologies. It was my understanding that you could transform from a perfect guard and attack in some capacity.
>>342353173
It can't. Perfect guard doesn't let you perform AED counters. And it doesn't reward the right execution of the idle GP, you just press R now. And to do the AED attack you have to either awkwardly walk up to a monster in axe mode and try to catch it when it turns, like if you were using a GS. Or do it after a stagger from the previous attack, but that makes you defenseless, because AED recovery animation is much longer than the monster's recovery.
And as I said, CB never was nearly as ridiculous in terms of damage output and ease of use, as GS or IG. It never was the top tier weapon, even in 4U after the buffs it was only above the average. Slight nerfs to KO and motion values would be more than enough.
Its playstyle got broken in X. It has become more awkward to use and more disruptive in multiplayer due to reliance on the second phial discharge attack.
>>342354020
Adept is fun if you're someone who actually learned to use the backhop.
>>342354226
All perfect guard does is refresh red shield
>>342354226
Perfect guard can transition into shield boost or shield thrust, which is about as powerful as regular attacks in sword mode.
>Guild style lance has the god awful 3rd hit
>bushido guard lance just doesn't feel as natural or fun as normal guard lancing
>aerial stance - why are you even playing with a lance then?
>striker is the only decent lance style but you gotta baby sit those god awful hunter arts
who else feels like their favorite weapon was sabotaged?
>>342354226
You can get red shield from perfect guard, or fill up your phials quickly.
>>342354226
He's also ignorant as much as you. Perfect guard still exists, and adept style has also an extra move that guards, the charged A.
>>342354312
Perfect guard is not to be confused with adept guard. Adept guard does what you say and only if you've already put the phials in, its a quicker method of charging the shield while attacking.
Perfect guard is either the transition to axe mode(R+Y) or the roundhouse attack of the standard 3hit combo and you can still transition into axe mode after you've nailed it. Its also slightly buffed, I saw reduced knockback after doing a perfect guard and transitioned into axe mode slightly faster. Haven't tested to see if its a thing with all styles.
>>342354559
>poking
Charge attack is the new Lance meta.
>>342354559
>striker is the only decent lance style but you gotta baby sit those god awful hunter arts
What does this even mean, dawg
>>342353639
How the fuck would they transfer a japanese save of a game to a localized one?
>>342354559
You got Guard Rage though. A damage boost is a damage boost.
>>342354639
That's a guard point. Bushido/adept ability is called perfect guard/perfect evasion. Please learn your terminology
>>342354639
Perfect guard = adept guard.
What you refer to perfect guard is commonly called guard points.
And you don't benefit from executing a guard point vs a simple block anymore, since the benefits got rolled up into regular block as long as your shield is in boost mode.
>>342352337
Striker CB gets a 5% damage bonus in Axe mode, that automatically makes it the only style that matters.
Numbers matter more than moveset.
>>342354639
You haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about. That's called guard point
>>342354690
I don't like using hunter arts. Using them feels clunky, much clunkier than it should be in a game like Monster Hunter where precision and speed are keys to good hunts.
>>342354736
It's the only thing I am happy about with the Lance. At least my 2nd weaponfu, SnS, got the biggest buff ever. Possibly making it the best weapon in the game.
>>342351354
Striker with Full Load, Absolute Evasion and Absolute Evasion Battle Ready.
>>342354639
Do you even play this game?
>>342354806
>>342354897
>>342354904
Then what exactly is missing and causing people to bitch and moan? I'm not seeing it.
>>342354559
>god awful 3rd hit
It's not that bad. Boatloads stronger than the old 3rd hit, you're just gonna have to get used to the wind up time is all.
But yeah, I feel you.
>SA
>sword only central
Stronger than ever, but I'm still mad.
>>342340874
Wait, is aerial pellet spam considered strong or weak? I'm getting different opinions from different people
>>342355019
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS5z0_wqBv0
>>342354982
>I'm not seeing it.
Yeah, it's quite obvious you haven't a clue what you're talking about.
>>342354639
>Calls me ignorant
>Doesn't know the difference between guard points and perfect guard
Wow, you can't make this shit up.
>>342355125
Compelling argument
>>342355124
The fucking stole my idea!
>>342355180
More compelling than all your posts together.
>>342354982
Play 4u or take time to research why everyone disliked new cb rather than being a retard and spewing bullshit out of your mouth. Jesus
>>342354976
>Absolute Evasion and Absolute Evasion Battle Ready.
Do the evasion skills have stuff that sets them apart from the adept style?
>>342355124
That doesn't really answer my question. It's good?
>>342355339
They're mostly for staying on top of monsters rather than dodging . Very aggressive playstyle
>>342355339
They don't have the follow up attacks of the bushido style, just the dodge part.
>>342355525
>>342355643
interesting, cheers
>>342351315
Here's times for Level 9 Thunderlord Zinogre
GS: 7'38'30 (Striker with Tigrex Great Sword)
LS: 7'51'41 (Striker with Incinerating Govandan)
SnS: 8'14'50 (Striker with Incinerating Kashioru)
DB: 6'21'16 (Striker with Shadow Twin Daggers)
Hammer: 7'48'63 (Guild with Tigrex Hammer)
HH: 9'57'46 (Guild with Akantor Dark Melody)
Lance: 5'25'14 (Striker with Incinerating Granato)
GL: 9'47'66 (Adept with Incinerating Burua)
SA: 6'34'20 (Striker with Incinerating Grimar)
CB: 8'43'18 (Striker with Incinerating Bardo)
IG: 7'31'08 (Guild with Incinerating Daito)
LBG: 13'33'18 (Adept with Daora's Hornet)
HBG: 14'01'90 (Adept with La Foi)
Bow: 14'29'98 (Adept with Courageous Wish)
Cat: 8'07'01 (Fighter with One-Eyed S Feathered Fan)
>>342355708
The Battle Ready version also fully reloads your currently selected ammo type, or restores 10 points of sharpness for blademasters
>>342354982
4u cb let's you transition into aed after a gp. Mhx does not and perfect guard is not a replacement for this and only lets you charge your shield. Please learn what the fuck you're talking about
Also you can't aed after a thrust anymore in x
>>342355717
Couldn't even be bothered to order the list. People are going to glance at that and get the wrong information because people are idiots.
>>342354982
Guardpoints are auto-blocks in certain CB actions. It was a launchpad from where you can do multiple actions after blocking an attack with one.
>4U
>Either roll/sidestep, morph to axe, load phials, or even do an amped elemental discharge (AED) out of a guardpoint
>Gen
>When you guardpoint, you continue going through the action you are doing
4U CB could also AED and obtain shield boost from sword mode. Gen CB removes AED from sword and gives you the new yellow shield boost which is weaker, so axe mode needs to be used to gain red shield boost for maximum benefit.
What does this all mean? CB is now clunkier to use in what was probably an effort to make axe mode used more often. Did I spoonfeed you enough?
>>342355717
>Cat: 8'07'01 (Fighter with One-Eyed S Feathered Fan)
Anyone else find it fucking hilarious the god damn nyan hunter shit does faster clears than half the weapons?
>MHX reveal trailer
>everyone was excited about stances
>now everyone hates the changes after playing the demo
What happened? Why did every weapon type have to have one clear cut superior choice thus eliminating any illusion of there being actual choice?
>that one retard who goes in mh threads spewing bullshit
>Promptly gets shitted on
Everytime , I love it
>>342355717
Lance: 5'25'14 (Striker with Incinerating Granato)
DB: 6'21'16 (Striker with Shadow Twin Daggers)
SA: 6'34'20 (Striker with Incinerating Grimar)
IG: 7'31'08 (Guild with Incinerating Daito)
GS: 7'38'30 (Striker with Tigrex Great Sword)
Hammer: 7'48'63 (Guild with Tigrex Hammer)
LS: 7'51'41 (Striker with Incinerating Govandan)
Cat: 8'07'01 (Fighter with One-Eyed S Feathered Fan)
SnS: 8'14'50 (Striker with Incinerating Kashioru)
CB: 8'43'18 (Striker with Incinerating Bardo)
GL: 9'47'66 (Adept with Incinerating Burua)
HH: 9'57'46 (Guild with Akantor Dark Melody)
LBG: 13'33'18 (Adept with Daora's Hornet)
HBG: 14'01'90 (Adept with La Foi)
Bow: 14'29'98 (Adept with Courageous Wish)
Reordered, just for you
>>342356038
That's not true. There is no one best style. They change witch each fight. Some styles are better on x monster than y
>>342355926
after trying the cat in the demo I'm not surprised in the least. That cat was a demon.
>>342355717
>guns are still shit solo
Why, why can't bows be good?
>>342356192
and that was a shit set up imagine the good one like the guy on this list would be using
>>342356192
I played around with boomarang cat some in MHX and it does seem pretty effective but fuck does it get repetitive and have some downsides like no vertical aiming and slops fucking you over.
>>342356167
Now that is not true at all. Some stances lock you out of combos and moves which may be important to your weapon and gear set up. You can't just flip flop between stances willy nilly. You have to gear up specifically for them. And for Gunlances the stances are geared toward the different shell types you use, so there's no mix and matching there either. Stances are poorly done.
>>342355873
>Gen
>When you guardpoint, you continue going through the action you are doing
Thanks for that particular info. Went to tutorial to test that out and found out just now myself. Yeah, I can see it now, its nice to have 0 knockback to the guard point but if its not stopping at all to give you the aed option then I guess its nerfed. Oh well.
>>342354639
I've never seen someone so dumb nor have I seen somone get as BTFO as you did
>>342356285
Depends on the monster. Zinogre's just a poor match up, and also Adept is the meme style for bows so they're not getting the offensive bonuses they could be.
Anybody have a leftover code they'd be willing to spare? Trying to get one for my friend.
Also, as a mainly LS user, this game pleases me greatly. Adept LS, with the added buffs / nerf reduction, feels so good.
>>342355926
I'd thought SnS and CB would do better yeah, the rest though not so much. The gunner weapons simply don't have enough supplies to go through this particular quest with a good time.
>>342356038
>everyone was excited about stances
I remember a lot of people shitting on it
>>342355717
Arts and skills used:
GS:
Lion's Maw III, Absolute Readiness, Absolute Evasion
CE+2, Crit Draw, Punish Draw, Focus
LS:
Unhinged Spirit III, Critical Juncture III, Absolute Readiness
CE+2, Razor Sharp, Weakness Exploit, Ultra Critical
SnS:
Round Force III, Shoryugeki III, Absolute Readiness
CE+2, Razor Sharp, Weakness Exploit, Ultra Critical
DB:
Absolute Readiness, Blood Wind I, Wolf's Maw III
Sharpness+2, Ice Atk+1, Razor Sharp, Weakness Exploit
Hammer:
Spinning Meteor II, Absolute Readiness
CE+3, Earplugs, Weakness Exploit, Dreadking's Soul
HH:
Absolute Readiness, Absolute Evasion
CE+2, Razor Sharp, Weakness Exploit, Ultra Critical
Lance:
Absolute Readiness, Absolute Evasion, Enraged Guard III
CE+2, Razor Sharp, Weakness Exploit, Ultra Critical
GL:
Absolute Readiness
CE+2, Razor Sharp, Weakness Exploit, Ultra Critical
SA:
Absolute Readiness, Demon Riot III, Energy Charge III
CE+2, Razor Sharp, Weakness Exploit, Ultra Critical
CB:
Frenzy Fever, Absolute Evasion, Absolute Readiness
Challenger+2, AuS, Weakness Exploit, Artillery Novice
IG:
Absolute Readiness, Swarm III
CE+2, Razor Sharp, Weakness Exploit, Ultra Critical
LBG:
Absolute Readiness
AuM, Normal Up, Peak Performance, Combo Rush
HBG:
Absolute Readiness
Normal Up, Ammo Saver, CE+1, Combination Pro, Peak Performance
Bow:
Haste Rain III
Add Power Coat Lv1, Rapid Up, Load Up, Irregular Shot, Peak Performance
Prowler:
Boomerang Boost, Affinity Boost S, Affinity Boost L, World's Strongest
>>342356980
>everyone using the exact same set and arts
Fuck that's depressing.
MH5 when?
The shittiest part is, part of what makes cats actually viable is a special event-only skill that boosts their stats through the roof as long as they're not wearing any armor.
So if you want to do any damage as a cat, you're going to have to run around naked.
>>342357069
How is that any different from everyone gearing for the same skills and relics of 4u?
how do you use dinovaldo's boost with gunner?
Will sharpness +2 be worth it?
>>342357206
At least in 4U most weapons used different sets
You also had more than one useful weapon per class
Fuck this game is garbage
>>342357285
No, only weapons with natural white are viable in Gen
The one exception is the Kushala duals which have absurd stats and 3 slots, which actually justifies using Handicraft for them
>>342357285
s+2 is what s+1 is in the earlier games. So yeah
>>342357069
Blame whoever it was that gave silver sol the skills it has.
>Two highly potent damage skills with amazing synergy on the same armor
Then again, if not for silver sol, everyone would probably wear the rath variant armor instead. Capcom and their shitty rath armor fetish, I swear to god.
>>342357206
I did not use the exact same set with each weapon. This looks like garbo.
>>342357286
Not really. Some weapons required to make different elemental weapons but most did not. Get the highest damage gs relic and you're done. Get fatalis glaive and you're done, get gravy giga and you're set for hame. Mhx is no different than any other mh in this regard
If you're worried about clownsuiting not being a thing, it's still there. Remember there is no g rank so we don't have x charm of 3 slots with 2 skills on it to allow freedom in out clownsuitd
>>342357605
>Capcom and their shitty rath armor fetish, I swear to god.
Gotta sell them expensive dolls for the neckbeards.
>>342357285
Nope, Capcom nerfed it into the ground by making it more expensive and adding other options.
Capcom couldn't balance themselves out of the trash can their developers work in, MHG is a complete piece of shit with garbage game balance and isn't very fun.
>>342357643
I did.
>>342356438
Oh, don't misunderstand, you STILL get knocked back by stronger attacks, if you don't have Guard skills.
>>342357995
Trash hunters are the majority so it's not a big surprise.
>>342356285
Because they are inherently less risky due to being ranged and are also geared towards group play.
Why should you be able to do as much damage as the guy who's throwing himself at something's face, directly in danger, when you're all the way over there? That would be retarded. You're already way the fuck safer.
>>342358236
Epic
>>342315609I don't anymore
>>342358313
So you used Focus and Crit Draw with all weapons?
>>342357678
There was a ton more variety in MH4U though. The more varied charms meant people had vastly different sets depending on charm availability, and most of the good weapons had a decent number of commonly used weapons.
GS: Black Fatalis Blade, Rogue Sedition, Cera Cymmetry
DB: Eternal Leavetakers, Suzuka Otakemaru, Neo Acrus Whitebolt, Wyvern Conciliation, Crossenders
IG: all 3 Fatalis glaives, Daora's Samudra, Bounding Dalamadur, Universus
CB: Ceadeus Regalia, Akantor Severance, Garuda Sedition
SnS: Annular Sol, Cursed Rajang Club, Reigning Grissword, Kyrie Ruin
Even LS had a decent selection though that weapon was multiplayer only in 4U
>>342358619
it's funny because most of the time GS doesn't even use crit draw any more in Gen
>>342354932
Then don't use them? Fuck.
Also
>using them feels clunky
>he uses a lance
What an hypocrite.
>>342354932
>I don't like using hunter arts.
Then you're in luck, almost all of them are shit anyway. At least all the ones that aren't just simple damage buffs.
Hunter arts are literally a noob trap meant to draw in shitters.
>>342358665
Cera Cymmetry on average was outclassed entirely by BFB wasn't? Still a nice GS that was easier to hone, though.
>>342358619
My Hh and Hammer use the same set
Challenger +2
Hg earplugs
Weakness exploit
Razor sharp
Both uses serigos weapons
>In b4 no maestro
Maestro is a DPS loss
My dual blade and IG uses the same set
Atk up XL
Challenger 2
S+1
Weakness exploit
Quick sharpen
Please tell me these sets are bad, go on
>>342358665
don't you mean [max raw damage guild weapon with rajang skin]
>>342359046
relics aren't even allowed in TAs, and they're the only thing akin to an endgame MH has
>>342306354
>possibly only person who thinks that looks like boring shit
>only shows a bunch of missed opportunities in attacking from what I've seen.
>looks like the largest crutch style to date
Ill just stick with my guild style, and enjoy the new arts plus taunt.
To each his own, but that style looks like boring ez mode with only benefit being hitting high faces.
PSA: Maybe not everyone knows, but Guild Bow has this move and Adept does not. Backhop twice while holding X to go into a Level 3 charge.
In comparison to Adept's version of the move, it takes more skill and knowledge to use properly, but the reward is that it doesn't send you flying a million miles and require that you line up your shot or position again before firing, as well as being accessible at any time.
People with proper knowledge of bow should understand that you shouldn't be getting hit in the first place given that it's one of the most mobile weapons in the game, so Adept goes against the bow's playstyle in every way, in exchange for making it easier for newcomers to gunner weapons to use while claiming it's the "best" style, even though it loses a second art, this move, and arc shots which, in the hands of a competent bow user, can provide at least one extra exhaustion per hunt as it can be used well outside of standard arrow range for extra attack opportunities.Please excuse the shit-tastic webbum quality.
>>342359039
that's fine, but would you use this same set with every single weapon, like what seems to be the case with MH Gen? Probably not.
>>342359507
Thanks anon
>>342359507
> Backhop twice while holding X
You mean while holding R.
>>342359507
Fastest jap kill times use Bushido so your point about guild being better is irrelevant
>>342317142
>>342349425
That video makes it look fun, but trust me, it's not.
You'll try it once or twice, realize that you can't dodge anything with your gimped ass roll and go back to guild.
>>342300476
>I'm thinking about pre-ordering this for my Dad and I to play together (since we play MH4U together).
>pre-ordering this for my Dad and I to play together
>my Dad and I
Thread should have ended here. This board is 18+.
>>342359507
The backhop is a fucking gimmick, Adept loses literally nothing, and you don't have ammo to spare for arc shots
Hunter arts are also pretty worthless for the most part
>>342359571
It's not even the case in mhx. You keep forgetting that it caps at high rank. Last I checked most of 4us high rank was azure los sets for everything.
>>342359507
>monster charges at you head first
>shoot them in the face
>then adept roll through their charge
>this is somehow less useful than that shitty back dive
Adept may be a "crutch" but it's also just plain better
>>342359684
>he's an edgy teenager who thinks playing vidya with his brodad is uncool
This board is 18+.
>>342359648
Didn't have too much trouble dodging Narga, though I'll have to wait and see how I do against other mons. Also air hopping out of roars is sweet.
>>342349023
>being a faggot
>thinking anyone other than faggots consider tiers in a pve exclusive game
Nice try nigger, but speedhunting is about the highest level of autism you can reach in MH.
>>342359641
>fastest jap kill times
And for a long time, the fastest jap kill times in 4U used Type 1 bow controls, but that doesn't make them inherently better. It took a long while for people to start getting time attack kills with Type 2 as they had to learn a new style, but it ended up being just as good if not better than Type 1.
Not only are 97.5% of japs ultra casual on average (so you probably shouldn't take jap conventions as word of god), but anyone who's actually skilled enough with a weapon to do time attacks is going to have a shit tonne of biases accrued over time with regards to what they need, so all of the major speedkillers are going to be using cookie cutter shit or whatever makes it the easiest. Adept makes it relatively safe to do time attacks, but it's not the most powerful in that regard.
It's going to take more time for them to learn to use this shit properly and start making good TA times with it.
>>342359731
Backhop isn't a gimmick, it's a core mechanic of the weapon.
>You don't have ammo to spare for arc shots
You do now more than ever, given that there's two fucking levels of power coatings now, as well as elemental coatings.
>>342359809
>Play bow properly, so are positioned in a way to easily avoid moves
>Monster attacks you
>Shoot, then backhop twice out of its attack radius
>Shoot again
Else:
>Literally just walk out of the charge's way while still holding your charge and fire as it passes by, like any skilled bow user used to
>>342359587
Yes, right. Even though I use Type 2 in game since 4U, sometimes when writing notation on button presses I default to what I used to write for 3U.
>>342360607
Type 2 was still used. In fact a lot people hated type 1 since it wasn't the same as it was in 3g. Please hold your tongue
>>342360607
>play bow properly
So Adept is shit because it plays differently from what the weapon used to play like?
You're not allowed to play the weapon in a more efficient way just because it goes against "tradition"?
wowee lad
>given that there's two fucking levels of power coatings now
Good to see you know nothing, most bows can only fire one type of power coating without a coating adding skill
>>342360975
Ignore him, he like that cb shitter, know nothing about this game
>>342360786
Eh, no. When 4G first came out, most people were shitting themselves over how much different Type 2 was, and a lot of speedkillers defaulted to Type 1 because that's where their skill and expertise was in terms of muscle memory. When 4U was coming over, everyone was shitting themselves over the demo because Type 2 was "so much worse" than Type 1, and citing Japanese Speedrunners as proof, despite the benefits of not having to readjust your aim vertically and holding your aim mode forever making it plainly better.
Japanese Speedrunners are not the end-all argument of what's good, best, or viable or not. They can provide a decent reference point, but in the end they still have their flaws and make mistakes.
Please don't revise history like that. I was in those fucking threads.
Type 1 bow controls are by-and-large 3U bow controls. Type 2 bow controls are the new ones.
What's the best style for IG now that's it's nerfed and mounting is much harder?
>>342361268
i felt aerial much closer to how IG felt in 4Ueven more than guild, strangely enough
with the added ability to ignore a bunch of shit just by rolling on the monster
>>342361268
It's not THAT much harder. It's just because people think that aerial style is the only way to mount now. Which is not true and regular jump attacks with other styles apply much more mount status per hit.
>>342361157
>apanese Speedrunners are not the end-all argument of what's good, best, or viable or not. They can provide a decent reference point, but in the end they still have their flaws and make mistakes.
They are though, they have the evidence to prove they're the best. You're just a shitposting anon
>>342359918
>He still lives with his parents
This board is 18+ kiddo.
>>342361268
Guild, at least you're still playing the weapon like in 4U much unlike CB.
>>342361660
>what is online play
>what is visiting parent's house to say hi or pass time with them
>>342361157
Why should I care what a Random anon theorizes what is best when the japs showcase what is best. I'd rather have application over baseless theory craft. Show me a faster kill time with your guild style and I'll be all ears, until then bugger off
>>342361076
>he knows nothing
>i'm pretty much the only one that knows that the Backdive even exists because everyone ate up the "Adept is better than guild" meme and will blindly defend it to the death instead of learning what's new or different about weapons
>>342360975
It helps that I have a huge hateboner against adept because I feel subjectively that it's a crutch style in general, but that's not the primary motivation here.
I never said Adept is shit. My argument isn't that Adept is shit, it's that it's not so much ungodly better than Guild with the bow so as to be the only viable Style, which is what many people tout it as, saying shit like "backhop is literally a gimmick" in order to defend their decisions. Admittedly it rubs me a little bit the wrong way that people have taken to using the weapon to smack their faces into the monster's attacks instead of applying the core playstyle it was built around, but this is mostly a retaliation that Guild has its own benefits, that I view to be better than Adept's.
>more efficient way
Less skillful.
>power coatings
Admittedly I did get caught up in the paper and forget the reality, so you've got that on me.
>>342361887
Gb2mother's milk fuccboi.
>>342361157
Show me a video of guild bow outdoing Bushido on lv10 dinovaldo varient
Time to beat is 6:58
>>342361980
At least my mom isn't dead : )
>>342361941
Instead of calling it a meme, why don't you fucking prove the notion that guild >Bushido. Surely you know more than all the japs who play this game religiously
Put up or shut up
>>342361604
They aren't though, and just because I have an opinion that runs counter to the community grain doesn't mean I'm shitposting. Such a lovely meme that is, a way of negating an argument without actually addressing the contents or bothering to reason why it might be wrong.
>they have evidence to prove they're the best
They have a far larger and more organized community when it comes to Monster Hunter, and they get way more into it than we do, so they put up a lot more videos and spend more time doing that sort of thing, but it doesn't mean they're the best. It just means that we're lazy and have stupid fucking "autism" memes that discourage people from getting too involved because they'll be treated like a nolifer.
>>342361919
Valid argument you make there.
Then again, just because I have knowledge of what can be the best doesn't mean I have the skill to showcase it. People hate to acknowledge the fact that it's possible to analyze something without having the skill to back it up, so in the end all I can do is try to convince skilled players to at least try it, and if I'm lucky to work hard at it, to provide a product of proof, but I won't have that chance without making the arguments, even if people call me an ignorant shitter for making them.
>>342318236
Why though. One is monhun and one is weeny chibi cute crap.
>>342361941
"Skill" doesn't matter, results do.
Playing the game without armor and holding the 3DS upside down takes a lot of skill, that doesn't mean it's a wise thing to do.
And your original post was a very holier-than-thou decrying of Adept, and also denying it being the objectively best style for Bow.
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