How did they fuck up Fallout 4 series so bad. They literally had gold mine in their hands and they fucked it up.
>>342297650
>Got rid of attributes
>No more skill points
>Special is fucking worthless
>Hardly any weapons that looked like crap
>Shit story line
>No actual free will
>Shit DLC that does what modders could have done if the GECK came out in time
>Shitty dialog system of yes, no, sarcastic yes, more information.
>No fucking RPG elements what so god damn ever.
But hey the power armor was good ill give them that
>>342297650
Bethesda has been shit for quite some time now. Everything they touch turns to shit. Even fallout 3 was shit but it was still one of the last beth games that were still okay.
>>342297650
I miss skill points and skill checks mostly. That and quest branches. Everything was so fucking linear.
>>342297650
It doesn't matter since they make insane profit anyways.
They'll just go on like before thinking it's their genius descisions that sell those games and not the aggressive marketing that makes retardes think they need to buy the game to be hip.
As a sidenote though, we can't be sure how much of the fuck-ups are actually Bethesda's fault and not Zenimax's.
I've been playing the DLC today and another complaint I have is just the lack of detail and low effort. You know the game is glitchy, it runs like shit, and stuff like the settlement I made, that has TONS of defenses, and full happiness not recognizing me as the leader and boss man annoys me.
They just come ask me like any other quest giver to go kill nearby raiders because they have been putting the dick down their throats and taking shit. And that they can't do anything. I'VE GOT TURRETS LINED UP AROUND THE PERIMETER OF ALL KINDS NOTHING CAN GET THROUGH.
I have not been attacked by raiders ONCE. They lied about that too.
I mourn the death of Fallout's writing more than I do the death of Fallout's isometric CRPG gameplay, to be quite honest with you desu. I'm all about SRPGs, but for some reason games like Fallout or Baldur's Gate just bored me to tears.
>>342297650
Fallout 4 was better than Fallout 3 and just shy of Vanilla Vegas
WHY IS BOSTON FULL OF ORCS
>>342299146
>just shy of Vanilla Vegas
is this retard for real?
>>342297650
Fallout 4 is not an RPG.
>>342297650
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp61CWg8XY0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A34poZ6paGs
>>342299016
the writing died after fallout 1 tho
>>342299584
>1+ hour
>>342297650
I like all 3 of the 3D games. Git fukt
>>342297650
because bethesda were too blinded by "LOL SO WACKY RETRO FUTURISTIC MAD MAX"
and forgot to actually make a meaningful world space with characters that actually have semi-human reactions.
everyone in bethesda games is soo eager to stroke off the player for the smallest fucking thing
but if you go and play FO1 and FO2 people dont bend over backwards to make you feel like a super special snowflake for doing something
not to mention the absolute lack of world building, like in fallout 1 & 2 you see a progression of communites building them selves up with farming and trade
but in fallout 3&4 its like there is no communites except maybe megaton or diamond city that have any actual history or reason for being
>>342297650
>How did they fuck up Fallout 4 series so bad.
YOU JUST DON'T GET IT
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
The Glowing Sea should have been a literal sea of Glowing Ones and feral ghouls.
>>342297650
>there will never be a good atmospheric fps stylized fallout game
God that old concept looks amazing, closet thing we had was Dead Money, I'm not sure about Far Harbor cause I haven't bought it yet
>>342299291
Vegas vanilla had a lot of problems that really hurt it for me
a good story isn't the only aspect of a game
>>342297650
they are misguided
>>342300102
>Good story
>Hurrr...who will win 'New Vegas?'
Bethesda don't have to try.
They have this ability to automatically fuck up.
DUDE
NUKES
LMAO
>>342297932
All this plus the decade old engine bugs that they refuse to fix (items moving when you pick one up, npcs getting stuck on geometry, etc).
>>342300180
I enjoyed it
the Story was pretty wonky as well in Fallout 2 and outright awful in Fallout 3
>>342297650
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5UflPhz-Do
>>342297650
I never noticed it before but now I'm seeing a huge similarity with this art to the 1993 DOOM boxart.
ashes, GO HOOOOOOME
Erin misses YOUuuuuuuu :;;(
>>342297932
Probably by releasing Minecraft DLC that costs half the price of any other Fallout game
>>342297650
saw this the other day
>>342297650
>FO1 was almost perfect and groundbreaking
>FO2 was 9gag tier memeshit which completely destroyed anything that made the first one good
>FO3 picks up where 1 left off and brings it to first person, while keeping everything that made the first one great
>NV again shits all over the previous games by emulating 2 and failing to live up to 1 and 3
>FO4 saves the franchise again by focusing on the strengths and expanding the ideas and mechanics much further
Your opinion is objectively shit.
>>342300389
Ah yes
because Classic Fallout never had any jokey bits
maybe Fallout 1 was serious but Fallout 2 definitely was not
>>342297650
I put over a hundred hours into new vegas and all its expansions, about a hundred into 3 and its expansions, i finished the main story in 4 after about 40 after doing the few interesting side quests i could find, and ignoring huge chunks of "content" like the base building and ALL of the radiant quests. I never want to touch that game again. The DLC looks terrible and theres no build variety. In the end I just console comnanded myself a bunch of shit and fucked about for 30 minutes but even that wasnt fun. Worst AAA open world game in years.
>>342300641
>the Borderlands 2 of Fallout
>>342297650
i love how Bethesda refuses to acknowledge New Vegas or anything related to the original games.
They think energy weapons are made out of trash you find in dumpsters and yet believe the Institute is this highly intelligent faction with all this advanced technology.
They and I mean EVERYBODY easily had access to this type of technology. This is considered Pre-War.
>>342297650
>they HAD a goldmine in their hands
>make more money than ever
shit kids on /v/ say
>>342300605
(you)
>>342300641
those are special encounters
>>342300523
Oh wow! Its africa! Look everybody!
>>342300641
older fallout had stories and jokes
in newer fallout the story is the joke
that's the difference
>>342297650
i thought it was pretty cool
>>342300812
Creative goldmine, not a financial one.
>>342300641
>small random encounters that are an obvious reference to something that doesnt affect the rest of the game
vs
>and entire aesthetic of "LOL NUKES AND 50's LOOKING CARS IN A MAD MAX WORLD XD"
i rather a few small jokes from time to time than an entire game built around the prewar aesthetic
>>342300785
worst of all is that all the pre-war energy weapons were military equipment and should bloody look like military equipment
FO3 plasma pistol/rifle doesn't look like something you'd send to war, it looks like a bad prop that falls apart the minute you look at it funny
>>342300920
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geLiEiAiQJA
>>342300882
the truth hurts, doesn't it?
>>342301000
Happened sometimes when you were moving with the brush gun too.
>Beth has prewar segment in FO4
>War, war never changes
>Literally the goddamn 50s and not a single shred of the actual collapse of society that was happening just before the Great War
>War, war never changes
>Pre-war vertibirds
>War, war never changes
>Protag and family literally stare at a full scale nuke going off without being instantly blinded, vaporized, or lethally irradiated
>War, war never changes
>>342301106
>YEP LOOKS LIKE FALLOUT TO ME! SHIP IT!
who approved this?
>>342301309
I like how the survivalist's logs from honest hearts made for a better representation of nuclear warfare than Beth managed in 4 with full on visual action
>>342300893
quests had jokey bits too
like getting a job as a "fluffer" becoming a porn star, NotJackie Chan and NotBruce Lee, Grampy bone and the tribals who became tribals after a few decades outside the vault, the Navaro base, talking deathclaws, the guys who dressed up as scorpions to steal cattle, lots more I'm not mentioning.
humour is nothing new in Fallout and FO4 isn't any more jokey than the other games really.
>>342297650
Probably the same way they fucked up Fallout 3.
>>342297650
They cucked it. They removed almost everything that made Fallout an RPG, and what little remained they made so shallow even the most retarded casual could become a god in 10 hours of playtime. The interesting world of Fallout was reduced to that of a Hollywood movie, and all choices were reduced to "Yes". Oh and your stuck being a goodey two shoes, no more evil characters to roleplay as, you can only be an angel. Fuck Bethesda/Todd and their lies.
>>342301425
honestly I'm still assuming bethesda wanted to make a post-apocalyptic rpg and just bought the fallout name for publicity's sake
literally every single thing about FO3 feels like it takes place barely 20 or so years after the bombs fell, not 200
>>342300523
What exactly are you trying to get at here?
>>342300372
I don't think its a case of refusing, the engine is just so dated and shit that you can't fix those bugs
>>342301108
Still one of the best intros to a video game I have ever seen.
Bethesda likes to focus on edgy pre-war HUMAN NATURE shit in their fallouts
and big monsters vs. big robots with big guns so they can impress all the review outlet$
and getting rid of ron perlman what the fuck?
>>342297650
Bethesda were too fucking lazy to make memorable locations and towns, so in true Beth tradition they said, "Fuck it, the player can do it for us" so we got ~3 towns in the game, only 2 of which are half decent and a bunch of shitty factories.
>>342301106
>its a /v/ talks out of their ass episode
>rpg codex shitposters who literally do nothing all day but shitpost bethesda
>literally every day this is all they do
guys we have to nuke boston in order to save it
even though boston only ever received a single nuke in the past and was utterly fucked for over 200 years because reasons
>>342297932
>Shit DLC that does what modders could have done if the GECK came out in time
Modders basically did the DLCs before the GECK was even out
>>342301889
he is the announcer on TV at the start
>>342297650
Dear noobs. You all need to learn to never buy Bethesda games when they first come out. Wait for the "Legendary" or "GOTY" versions.
If you fall for the hype, you're going to get burned.
>>342301959
>was utterly fucked for over 200 years because reasons
because mongoloids won't stop fighting
things must have settled down at least 50 years after the bombs since that's when cities started setting themselves up and the minutemen were almost like a proper army for a little while
>>342297650
if they actually made fallout 4 it's own game with less ties to the fallout universe i bet people would bitch less
but they marketed under it anyways, and took a huge risk adding the voiced protag. Oh well, we always have 5 to look foward to
>>342301837
Look at the Mediterranean Sea
>>342301915
>one weapon made post war by brotherhood that can only be found in one place in the entirety of fallout 1 & 2
vs
>a weapon that can be found nearly every fucking where and was supposedly made prewar.
hmm something dont add up here m8
>>342300373
Everyone always shits on FO3 story and I don't know why.
Is it just because there aren't really factions to side with?
Because having people fight over a way to make clean water in the wasteland is way more interesting than having groups fight over real estate.
>>342302223
Well, the shape is there, it's just the wrong color.
>>342302207
No, we don't. Unless the planets align perfectly, and the miracle that would be Bethesda asking Oblivion to make another Fallout game, the franchise is fucked. 4 is what the future of Fallout is gonna be, watered down, shitty normie-tier crap.
>>342301837
Canada
>>342300728
I'm about 60 hours into 4 and I haven't even been to Diamond City yet.
>>342301915
yeh just look at all the WACKY shit on this pistol
>>342302390
I was just pissed at the forced ending unless you have DLC. For me is that was the only memorable part of the quest, and I mean that's the only part I can remember. Shit was bland yo.
>>342301889
it is supposed to be about human nature.
that hack Emil Pagliarulo can't write for shit.
>>342302604
no way this could pass for military equipment
>>342302291
yes this looks ready for battle
>>342302390
because the whole wasteland is just so decrepit and destroyed, the towns have nothing in them besides the main quest really
and quests connect with nothing plus the characters are so dead.
>>342302604
the crazy weapons are much better than the realistic ones
>>342302795
given that thing was designed to be used by power armored troops as a heavy weapon equivalent to say a portable missile launcher it looks pretty alright
remember in FO1 and 2 plasma rifles were a god damn big deal
>>342302223
That's when todd used the fill tool on the ocean and he didn't bother to fix the mediterranean
>>342302506
I think you mean obsidian
>>342302390
The ending is absolutely fucking beyond retarded and you have to pay money to unfuck the writing. This is objectively true.
Not to mention the entire main quest is James' quest and journey, not yours. You are essentially a spectator to his story instead of having your own.
Not to mention the fucking Potomac shouldn't even be radioactive in the first place.
Not to mention the only people that have water troubles are the bums outside Rivet City and Megaton who possess a metaphysical thirst that cannot be quenched with actual water. Everyone else is fine.
And if you dare give said bums too much water then the BAD GUYS and their infinite clone army that possess infinite resources in a supposed worthless wasteland will hunt you down forever because they are bad because bad guys
>>342301837
Sudan isn't split
>>342302542
Canada was annexed, but it's still technically a separate entity.
JINGLE JANGLE
>>342303040
And pretty fucking difficult to use if you fuggered up your build.
>>342301995
My tin foil hat theory is that the GECK was done when it was originally going to be launched, but papa bethesda found out that modders were already doing their robot mod, and they said fuck it! Launch DLC NOW!
Ie robot shit DLC, crappy contraption DLC, and the shit that is the far harbor DLC.
So far the only DLC that looks decent is the vault building because again, what mods will do for it.
>>342303648
as long as you had power armor on they weren't to difficult to use
using one just regularly did require a dedicated build though
>>342303512
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zGSkMImDlk
>>342303218
>James' quest and journey, not yours
Only if you just blindly chase him around. I basically told him to fuck off and did my own thing for as much of the game as possible.
When I heard of the institute in FO3 I thought there would be so many crazy inventions and stuff, but when you go into FO4 there's only robot people. Good jorb, bethesda
>No more H&K CAWS
>No more Pancor Jackhammer
>No more FN-FAL
>No more P90
>No more AK patterns
Why does Beth hate "modern" weaponry in Fallout?
At least FO3 had AKs and other similar rifles. FO4 rewinds the goddamn clock even harder and eliminates them and makes the "assault rifle" a fucking WW1 machine gun.
>>342303990
The institute are pretty shit already
>>342302652
>Emil Pagliarulo
Was thief 2 any good then?
>>342297932
At least they are more sincere now, it isn't Fallout 3 ridiculous system to emulate a real rpg without being one
>>342304050
they are retroacticly trying to rewrite the lore
its prob why they largely ignore fallout NV and most of the originals
>>342303990
when i heard about project purity in 3 i thought we were going to save the wasteland
instead we just purified a lake into drinking water
good jorb bethesda
>>342303802
I needed this in my life
>>342300605
>>342300605
Fallout 1's major strenght was its writing and atmosphere. Are you implying that Fallout 3 and 4 have good writing ?
>>342303974
Thats why I said main quest in the same sentence anon.
You can't tell James that he is a fucking imbecile that is wasting an extremely powerful matter manipulation device on a fucking water purifier for water that wouldn't even be contaminated.
I mean fuck, he only gets slightly disappointed at you for fucking nuking Megaton.
Ignoring terrible writing is no excuse for it to be there in the first place.
>>342304105
>The BOS fight an AI in Fallout 3
>Forget that AIs exist in Fallout 4
I enjoyed fallout 3 alot. It was my first fallout game. Loved it, got all achievments including the dlc. Got alot of shit out of it.
Loved it so much i completed Fallout 1. I have to admit, i have to mostly use a guide to complete it, still enjoyed the heck out of it. I have yet to play fallout 2, but i heard great things about it.
For some reason, people dislike fallout 3 and love new vegas. I personally stopped playing new vegas after 10 hours or so, i didnt find it fun.
I knew from the start fallout 4 would just be the same engine, the same shitty performance on console, and even more dumbed down. Im going to buy the goty edition when it goes for nothing like i did with fallout 3 back in the time, cant go wrong with that.
>>342304481
fallout 4 improves on many of those things
>>342304530
>FO3 states that Liberty Prime was unfinished when the Great War occurred
>FO4 states that Liberty Prime was fully operational and deployed in Anchorage before the Great War
What did Emil mean by this
>>342300605
>>FO2 was 9gag tier memeshit which completely destroyed anything that made the first one good
>>FO3 picks up where 1 left off and brings it to first person, while keeping everything that made the first one great
>keeping everything that made the first one great
>>NV again shits all over the previous games by emulating 2 and failing to live up to 1 and 3
>>>FO4 saves the franchise again by focusing on the strengths and expanding the ideas and mechanics much further
Transcendental B8
>>342304786
that the brotherhood of steal are dumb shits
>>342304593
>i have to mostly use a guide to complete it
>I personally stopped playing new vegas after 10 hours or so, i didnt find it fun.
Hand holding much ?
>>342304050
because LE PERPETUAL 50'S WACKY ZANY WASTELAND
>>342304786
OMG yo i fucking neck beard ranged about the fucking power armor bullshit they pulled.
>Uh uh uh.....T-60 was deployed at the same time along side the t45 power armor....even though the t51 was just coming outta prototype....
Why are their x01 power armor suits in old bunkers that have been locked for 200 years...
>Uhhhh uhhhhh ummmmmm it was created pre war.....
>>342305095
What do you mean?
The time limit in fallout 1 really put a big pressure upon me, and i wanted to get the most out of it, so i used a guide which let me complete alot of quests, which were really interesting and fun. I dont really remember alot, but i remember interesting scenarios with some sheriff, in some bar etc...
I just really didnt enjoy fallout 4. After 10 hours i went into the dlc with all the smoke and that one btfod me hard to the point where i had to stop playing because there was no way to get out of it. No food and the smoke fucks you up the ass. People value the story in new vegas but i really found nothing special about it, i dont know, thats just me, im sure im wrong.
>>342302390
>Because having people fight over a way to make clean water in the wasteland is way more interesting than having groups fight over real estate.
>the real estate they were fighting over was one of the largest sources of power and clean water in the wasteland
There's a reason why it's called the Battle of Hoover Dam 2: Electric Boogaloo
>>342304593
I had a similar experience to you. I loved F3, finished everything and when NV came out the year after, and I played that first on my computer for around 5-6 hours before I was bored of it, and didn't enjoy it.
I eventually got it for the 360 that Christmas, and loved it even more than Fallout 3. It took me around two days of playing until I truly was enjoying it (around getting to New Vegas) and now I consider it one of my favourite games. When I finished Fallout NV, I went back to playing Fallout 1 and 2.
I finished 1 using a guide since it was really confusing where to go since it was the first time I ever played a game like that. I disliked Fallout 1 a lot at first since it was so boring to play, but it really picked up when I started to understand the gameplay and all my shots actually started to hit people. Fallout 2 was a lot better since I knew how the game played and didn't rely on a guide.
Fallout 4 is terrible though, don't have high hopes for it.
>>342304460
I would has it's okay in case of 3, but very good in 4.
>>342305406
>The time limit in fallout 1 really put a big pressure upon me
I finished every single side quest in Shady sands, Junktown and the HUB, and still had a shitload of time left, plus you can send water to your vault
>so i used a guide which let me complete alot of quests
Fucking disgusting
> People value the story in new vegas
Not just that, New Vegas fixed every thing wrong with 3 and was aiming for even more without Beshitsda's interruption, it's an actual RPG with solid gameplay, story and actual moral choices, not hand holding sim
>>342305236
>Go to some locked vault for the first time 200 years.
>You find pipe guns and jets from there.
Heh.
Why did James need a G.E.C.K. for the purifier?
>>342304990
>Somebody wrote that
>Being that autistic about a vidya
I'm sorry they broke your dolly, anon
>>342305880
DUDE
FALLOUT 2 REFERENCE
LMAO
>>342305763
Thats great for you, but just like another anon said, it was my first real crpg. I didnt want to spend my time getting good at the time. The only reason i went trough it was because i enjoyed fallout 3.
You can find it disgusting, i dont care, i dont even want a discussion out of this, just gave my opinion, didnt really see any change of new vegas to fallout 3, im sure if i replay and put more time into it i would think differently.
>>342305891
are big words making your brain hurt?
>>342305891
>ad hominem and no actual argument
discarded, he pointed out extremely basic shit related to real life, and he didn't even delve much into how lore breaking it is
>>342305454
Except the Dam is in like 7 minutes of the game.
>CURRENT YEAR
>>342306038
>he didn't go to the dam before the battle
SHIGGY
>>342305880
Isn't the G.E.C.K. actually just a packet of seeds and a D battery?
>>342306120
I actively avoid areas that I know are end-game places.
>>342297932
wait what there are attributes and skillpoints, have you even played it? they just changed the menu around. I personally think the building fits perfectly with the setting, the entire history of the game is people making shanty towns out of debris, it just adds more to the game play cycle, go out do quests and explore, come back to your base to unload and build more onto it. I hope all the free roaming rpgs add building elements because it makes the world feel more meaningful.
>>342306291
>end game
>never did an NCR run
>>342305880
Because the GECK was changed into a powerful matter manipulation device in FO3 that was also very unstable and could easily explode and instantly kill you
Now what I want to know is how Dad designed a water purifier to use a component that he has never seen or worked with at any point in his life
Or why none of the other vaults in D.C. had a GECK except for the super top secret super mutant factory that was seemingly made to be a failed vault
And why he wastes a fucking GECK on a goddamn water purifier for moving water that wouldn't even be radioactive in the first place
And why he designs the purifier to have a fucking radiation trap in the goddamn control room that summons deadly radiation from nowhere since the purifier wasn't even active yet
Or why the Enclave just didn't brute force the code with a really long stick in order to avoid the "radiation spike trap" on inputting a wrong code
I would love Bethesda to retcon FO2 completely and make a new game covering the complete bay area. SF was soooo fucking disappointing.
the premise is so stupid.
parents will never stop looking for their children.
another settlement needs my help? I gotta go on a quest to find paint?
well how is that my problem? if NPCs can't understand that then I don't know what to tell you.
>>342306291
>go there for NCR jobs
>go there to solve King's Gambit
>go there for Arizona Killer/You'll Know It When It Happens
>go there to steal some phat loot
It was there for more than the final battle.
>>342306534
>I would love Bethesda to retcon FO2
no.
>>342299016
Because you're an ADD faggot that can't handle entry level CRPGs
so uh where did the institute get FEV from
just asking for a friend
yeah a friend
>>342304786
Transcription error
>>342299717
Worth every second of it (first video)
>>342297932
Man the power armor is so entertaining I'm even willing to overlook how poorly thought out the Cell system was.
Now if only F:NV had it...
>>342306661
But the game is 90% shit. So much wasted potential. I'm not from the US, but visiting CA right now and there could have been so much more.
>>342306751
because the game needed orcs
>>342306917
Bethesda can't make use of any of that potential
If supermutants are so godamn hard to make then why do they suicide bomb themselves? How will this help their goal to increase their population?
The first thing I think of when I hear of Salem, Massachusetts is giant crabs.How did they fuck up Salem?
>>342307261
Confirmed, dogs are tougher than East Coast super mutants.
>>342297650
They didn't. It's just a meme because /v is NO FUN ALLOWED. If it's popular it must suck and nothing is ever good.
>>342306917
>But the game is 90% shit
Literally wot, elaborate
>>342305891
Fucking normie, what are you even doing here?
>>342307261
Even better question, why doesn't he just spike the bomb anyway while the dog is grabbing his hand? It's not like he needs to save that hand when he's about to detonate a nuclear warhead in his own face.
>>342300605
I lost.
+1 Internet, best YLYL ever.
>>342307436
Except this is one of the few times it's true.
there's just not enough quest except radiant quests after the main story and the main story is shit
>>342307440
>the story is mostly shit: I have to save my tribe!
>GECK = macguffin
>Frank Horrigan is the worst shoe-horned in villain in video game history
>MEMES
>the whole bay area are like 5 houses with chinese people in them
>constantly breaking the fourth wall
>even today many quests are broken and don't work properly even with unofficial patches
>doesn't feel post-apocalyptic at all
I could go on but I don't have time for this. I guess the enclave was cool...
>>342302449
>surrounding nations drained bodies of water around them.
Peep the red sea.
>>342300523
wew there were so lazy they didn't even color in the Mediterranean
>>342307940
What do you consider post-apocalyptic? Also what videogame has the best plot?
>>342306159
Fuck load of seeds and s shit load of instructions to suit whatever predicted environment that could've spawned from the war plus how to rebuild infrastructure and the such.
>>342307940
>doesn't feel post-apocalyptic at all
That's the point Todd, it's post-post apocalypse. It's been 200 years since the war, not 20 (which is how 3 looks).
>>342307825
>Walking along the overpasses
>Yelp from Dogmeat falling to his demise every 75 seconds.
>>342307940
>>the story is mostly shit: I have to save my tribe!
It's not bad, it's decent t bh
>>GECK = macguffin
Absolutely not, F2 is the only one that described the GECK accurately, a tool to bring back life and boost farming
>>Frank Horrigan is the worst shoe-horned in villain in video game history
And the most intimidating one for sure
>>the whole bay area are like 5 houses with chinese people in them
In contrary to
>>constantly breaking the fourth wall
Not constantly, mostly side conversations and few easter eggs/encounters
>>even today many quests are broken and don't work properly even with unofficial patches
I agree on this one
>>doesn't feel post-apocalyptic at all
.......that's the point ?
>>342308243
FNV
Did any of the recent changes make the enemies in Fallout drop something better than fucking pipe weapons yet? Pirated it, beat it, and dropped it round the first month of release.
>>342307781
Hey, I'll be the first to admit it's not perfect. As a matter of fact, in a lot of ways I like New Vegas better and I was somewhat disappointed with 4, but at the same time it's not a shit game. It's a solid 8.5/10 compared to New Vegas being a 9/10. But /v doesn't do nuance. Every game must be either the GREATEST GAME OF ALL TIME!!!!1111!!! or OH MY GOD THIS GAME IS A PIECE OF SHIT!!!11111!!! autistic shit.
IMO, Fallout 4 is a good, interesting game that is better than 90 percent of games out there.
best combat though
>>342308408
Their weapon drops are based on level. And didn't you encounter any legendaries?
>>342308408
around 30-40 levels they do but they still do drop pipe weapons for the rest of the game
Nothing to do nothing to see. No one talks about the quests because none of them were good. No one talks about any of the characters outside of 3 companions because they were all shit. No one talks about the factions in a positive way because they were all awful.
FO4 is about walking around killing things and hoarding junk to build shit you don't need. FO4 was garbage. Even if you took away the fallout name it would be a bad game because most everything is half assed.
>>342308460
>interesting
kek no, ultra normie basic trash
Dumbed down everything that made fallout great and turned it into a settlement building sim.
Alsobthe story was by far the worst.
>>342308404
The Master was better than Frank.
>>342308243
FO1 is post-apocalyptic and that's what's great about it. 2 and NV not and thus don't fit into the series.
>>342308271
nevertheless, 3 captures the atmosphere of the first game much better.
>>342308408
different factions get weapons at different rates. Super Mutants pretty much always have a lot of pipe weapons cause their idiots, low level raiders have a lot of pipe weapons but as they get higher in level they get better weapons, and gunners rarely have pipe weapons and start out having better shit.
>>342308832
>The Master
Personality wise, yes but too easy
>>342308535
Yeah here and there, though you can't dismantle legendaries IIRC, so I ended up resorting to buying all the mods I needed for my weapons otherwise.
>>342308673
go back to your call of duty shit, then. hey, RPGs aren't for everyone.
>>342306312
heres your you
>>342309051
I was referring to F4, should've made my post more clear, oops
>>342308986
You can't take off the mod that makes it legendary, but they are otherwise as moddable as everything else.
>>342307940
Frank Horrigan was the embodiment of the Enclave. They were fed patriotic lies to twist their beliefs and justify their goals. Go talk to some of the Enclave soldiers at the Oil Rig and see for yourself. They are all buddy-buddy with you until the moment you mention you are not of purebreed. They can't tell the difference.
Also wasn't the water purifier chip a macguffin as well?
>>342307940
>the story is mostly shit: I have to save my tribe!
Well, when your tribe is suffering from a drought the more or less the whole region is suffering some degree or another what else would you do?
>GECK = macguffin
F2 was the only one to describe it in a sensical way. It's a giant case full of modified seeds and instructions, not some press to fix everything tool.
>Frank Horrigan is the worst shoe-horned in villain in video game history
I can agree on that but for the most part he is just there doing his job as a secret service member while being scary as shit.
>MEMES
Special encounters that you really have to go hunting for sometimes. If you mean references they are not directly in your face.
>the whole bay area are like 5 houses with chinese people in them
as opposed to most of the towns? mind you the towns are supposed to represent something bigger while not trying to crash the damn game.
>even today many quests are broken and don't work properly even with unofficial patches
Agreed, but rarely happens.
>doesn't feel post-apocalyptic at all
It's not supposed to. It's the post apocalypse and everyone's moved one, hell even the first F1 felt like everyones moved on with their lives.
This is the product of a few factors.
1. The people with decision making authority at Bethesda are not people who understand the appeal of the games.
2. The highly compartmentalized development process results in a disjointed game experience rather than the game seeming like a unified creative vision.
What you see is a complete lack of inspiration and a bunch of people phoning it in.
>>342299865
t-todd p-please dont get angry
>>342307940
Kill yourself
>>342308849
3 only captures the atmosphere by ripping off the bare story elements of 1.
>Vault dweller fights super mutants and finds water chip mcguffin
>>342309318
But he has no character besides being evil and no real motivation. As a character he just fall completely flat.
The water chip might be called a macguffin as well, but it's pretty clear what it does. The GECK somehow is a briefcase capable of creating vault city? How?
>>342310058
>But he has no character besides being evil and no real motivation.
That's the true spirit of being a nationalist killing machine, making him a relatable character will make him paladin-tier
>The GECK somehow is a briefcase capable of creating vault city? How?
Seeds do wonder, and Vault city has a shitload of food, water and tech vault stuff to trade you know, more than enough to establish a good settlement
>>342309318
And god, if even one person on his team knew what he truly was what could they do about it?
>>342310058
Well, Seeds ontop instructions with the already large supply of shit from the vault can do wonders saved for helping them build up their maxed out power source.
>>342310058
>he has no character
did you read the backstory on him? The Enclave built him.
he was just a guy doing his job until he was afflicted by the FEV. He became a mutant which they studied immensely and his brain was fried. He returned a hero but also they couldn't let everyone see what he really looked like. They were able to subdue him and control him to be their big enforcing puppet.
Do you get it? He is literally a mindless brute who spouts propaganda and blindly serves his country.
>>342297650
got it for free today because i gameshared. does it play well on ps4?
>>342299146
New Vegas and 4 are leagues apart.
>>342310468
Really? i just thought he was just a really loyal solider. Note i haven't beaten fallout 2 yet and I've gotten to the part of retrieving the stuff for the boat.
What is the atmosphere that 3 manages to do so well since its the only positive thing people ever seem to say about it
>>342310290
>>342310410
But if the GECK is just seeds in a briefcase, why is it so special and important?
>>342310468
Describe Frank Horrigan WITHOUT saying what he looks like, what he wears or what his profession or role in the game was.
>>342310812
Well, think of it like this. It contains literally manuals and a computer chalked full or pre-war information and information suited "Most" post-war environments to attempt to rebuild itself. The seeds for the most part are tough and require little water but the success of the user is up to really...just the users and community it land onto.
>>342310812
Seeds and a bunch of tools to facilitate living in an irradiated shithole, mostly power related stuff I think
>>342310751
he literally couldn't speak in complete sentences. They trained him to only give generic patriotic responses and not to think at all. Only to follow commands.
>>342310812
you are really reaching for something that isn't there. i don't know what you're really trying to ask. You are trying to convince us that Fallout 2 is really that bad, yes?
>>342310715
like I said, story isn't everything
Vegas was wonky as fuck to play, corrupted my saves, and was borderline broken in vanilla on release. plus there were too many invisible walls and the casinos were complete shit and horribly done.
>>342310962
>>342310963
is there any in game info on this? I don't remember that.
>>342310984
I am just saying that FO2 has obvious flaws which is why I cannot grasp how anyone could say it's by far the best in the series.
>>342311253
>Bethesda actually bugtested NV themselves
hahahahahahaaaaaaahahahaha
But invisible walls is definitely valid, and I suppose casinos are a little underwhelming, but I barely played them
>>342311472
I was so hyped after the initial first game slog around the south to get to Vegas and gamble and was horribly dissapointed
>>342309051
>Fallout 4
>RPG
kek
>>342311253
>like I said, story isn't everything
Story has nothing to do with my post. New Vegas has vastly better gameplay.
>>342311351
Did you explore any of the text or did you just go complete the objective and powered through information? Harold gives you info, vault city vault gives you info, vault city staff gives you info and if I remember correctly you could find out shit from the enclave ontop of the information being in the games hand book and fallout bible.
>>342312651
>did you even bother reading
if he did then none of us would be even having this conversation
>>342312651
I read a lot of the in game stuff. However, it's been some time since then. Alsothe fallout bible is not canon.
>>342313175
Bible not being canon? Boyo it has been sometime hasn't it? IF that;s the case I'm fine with answer lore stuff since you seemed a bit confused on it.
I enjoy Fallout 4 quite a bit. Is the DLC any good? I was thinking of getting the season pass but $50 is pretty steep
>>342313338
Okay here's a lore question for you: Why do people get really upset about the ghoul in the fridge quest in 4, when there are even fucking ghosts in the original games?
>>342313768
Because Ghouls can't live without food or water, who cares about Ghosts why can't they exist? But Ghouls explicitly need food and water to survive
>>342313338
>>342313726
Chris is lamenting the fact that the bible is no longer canon here, though.
>>342300491
Oh my fuck im glad im not the only one who noticed that. What the fuck was the direction for that line.
>>342313767
Far Harbor is great, best Fallout DLC hands down. Haven't played the rest yet.
My only big complaint about the game is that power armor is pretty useless
>>342302118
I had no idea what Bethesda was even like until this.
I had only played 3/NV way after they were released, and thought they were good, if buggy.
I thought that with the years of preparation they had, all the hype Todd drummed up, that it would be a good game.
I learned my lesson.
At least I didn't preorder the season pass too.
>>342314034
And the information is within context of the game at the time hence it being the most accurate description and explanation for the universes information for F1 and F2. As sad as it is with bethesda doing such a thing is their shit lore breaking will not destroy what is well established in the past. only for stuff in the future.
>>342313992
My point is that there have been far more ridiculous things in the franchise about which nobody complains.
>>342313768
Because psychic phenomena is canon in Fallout so people seeing and interacting with "ghosts" is not out of the question
But ghouls explicitly need food and water. This was established back in FO1 where if you snatch the water chip from Necropolis without fixing their shit then the ghouls die off because no water
>>342310812
You can't be this retarded
>>342314713
Because a ghost isn't Contradictory to previous knowledge
>>342314243
100% certain you're a shill.
Far Harbor is in the bottom tier of Fallout DLC, the only thing I can safely say it's better than is Operation Anchorage.
Point Lookout did the same thing infinitely better.
>>342302390
>rubble piles everywhere
>endless fucking repetitive subways
>nonsensical story
>hideous graphics
>green tint
>barely any side quests
>two armor slots
>hardly any weapon variety
>fewest/worst cities in a Bethesda game
>some of the worst gunplay ever
>bullet sponge enemies
>absolutely retarded ending "lol, it's destiny for you to die even though I'm immune to radiation" -Fawkes
>black and white morallity
Fallout 3 is absolute trash. Oblivion with guns is an insult to Oblivion. Worst Bethesda game by far. I've never been so disappointed in a game and I never even played FO1 & 2. Can't imagine how classic Fallout fans must have felt.
>>342315475
Of course it is. Ghost don't exist if you didn't know. And since fallout was supposed to be an alternate timeline of our universe, it is contradictory.
>>342315624
Are you literally retarded? Point Lookout is the second best DLC. Far Harbor had much more content, factions, choices, quests and interesing characters.
Although I agree that Operation Anchorage was absolutely awful.
>>342314262
After a certain level every armor is useless
>>342316127
The skeleton is holding another skeleton in an embrace thats 10/10 environmental storytelling so you cant remove it.
>>342315986
>Far Harbor had much more content, factions,
Quality > quantity
>choices
wew lad
It's pretty much the same ending as the main fucking story; kill synths, nuke people, or peace. Wow, such diverse choices.
>quests
Ah, yes. I particularly liked the series of fetch quests about some womans family, and the quests where I had to clear out settlements for the Minuteme- I mean, Harbormen.
>and interesing characters
Literally fucking who was interesting? DiMA? Fucking least interesting AI of all time.
>>342297650
>>342297932
Play Underrail faggots
>>342316498
Okay suspected as much, but now I definitely know you are just bating.
>>342316127
>those correspondences between raider groups
You could feel the spirit of the scenario writer trying to break free of the design constraints because he wasn't authorized to utilize the questing tools to fill out the raider content.
It's so bizarre to see game content working around entirely self-imposed limitations just because the head designers, writers, and programmers felt they needed to focus their efforts making every dialogue work with four voiced choices and other inane bullshit. Meanwhile Jim has to fill out the giant empty spaces Tim handed him as an afterthough but is only allowed to play with the basic level editor for fear of breaking their already bug ridden quest scripting.
>>342316857
Fuck off shill.
Far Harbor isn't even better than the base game, and that's saying something.
>>342317113
>everyone who disagrees with me is a shill
don't you have to go to school tomorrow or something?
>>342300728
Fixed your image for you.
>>342299682
>Implying Fallout 2 wasn't leaps and bounds better than the first.
t. Anon with bad taste
I like Fallout 4 because it has the best shooting, but goddamn if it didn't take a huge dump on literally everything else.
>Can handle Benny in a bunch of ways
>Can handle Kellogg in exactly one way
>>342317454
There is no fixing Shad's art work
>>342318350
It really was but people pretend the first was better just because it was short and sweet the first time through. Fallout 2 is way more replayable and has way more content with different ways to solve quests.
>magic enchantments instead of mechanical improvements
>>342297650
he tried to warn us
https://archive.is/WVCxd
>>342297932
Also, I can't get it to launch 90% of the time. Not sure if cause AMD card or what. But I've uninstalled reinstalled, fucked with the files and updates my drivers multiple times and it still seldom just starts up when i want it to.
>>342300605
I was about to finish a reply but then I realized this is an obvious troll...And I enjoy FO4 as a game, but it's a bad fallout game.
>>342321237
But he was completely wrong. FO4 is the best in the series.
>>342301869
They can fix them, they're not because people are still buying they games.
>>342302795
that thing reappeared as the plasma caster, it's still in 3/NV
>>342308849
>3 captures the atmosphere of the first game much better.
no, 3 has a completely different atmosphere. the first game felt like people in waste were isolated and traveling was dangerous. in 3 you move from place to place with relatively no problems.
1 feels more like mad max. while 3 feels like neo-post apocalyptica, if that makes any sense.
>>342322748
Imma be pissed if i cant recreate vault 13
>>342323072
made out of wood and rubber? and not lead and concrete?
>>342323197
Yes its the ikea brand vault, but now that you pointed that out its stupid as fuck
>>342322807
>the first game felt like people in waste were isolated and traveling was dangerous
But that's exactly how 3 feels, at least before you max out your character. 1 didn't really feel like mad max to me, however it felt like a desolate wasteland after a nuclear war should feel. 3 has more of this really desperate and hopeless feeling to it in addition.
>>342323072
Why wouldn't you be able to? It's not like it had anything special in it. You might even be able to make the deathclaw nest from F2.
>>342323504
Room sizes and styles are my problem
Anyone who complains about Fallout 4's lack of freedom to roleplay has never played 1 or 2.
Fallout 1 forces you to be a vault dweller on a quest for a water chip to save his friends and family, and Fallout 2 forces you into the role of a dirty savage looking for a suitcase full of seeds.
People like to pretend that Fallout: NV is the closest thing to what Fallout Van Buren was supposed to be when Fallout 3 is closer in plot.
>>342324219
And by "closer in plot" I mean closer to what Fallout originally was. A trek down a one-way-road to the ending with some neat dialogue and fun choices along the way.
Fallout New Vegas was a mess. It was over ambicious for it's medium and, as a result, everything that was implemented was implemented extremely poorly.
The devs treated it like a 2d Fallout where you could just use your imagination, ignoring the fact that in a 3d game, lack of detail like that is just not acceptable.
>>342324219
I am pretty sure this is bait buuuuttttt.....
Those things do not determine the personality of your character. They are just the starting point of their character arc, whatever character that may be. Being a Pre-War veteran with a wife (or being a lawyer wife to a Pre-War veteran) with a child is going to inform very strict choices on the character of the Lone Survivor, which pretty much happened in the dialogue options.
>>342323620
I gotcha. Yeah, Vault 13 was pretty spacious and that could be a problem. I don't know how big of a sandbox for building vaults they're planning on allotting, but you might have to settle for a LEGO style version.
>>342324608
>Fallout 2 has you play as a tribal
>Your speech options reflect how you're a dumb tribal who isn't used to life outside Arroyo, and people pick up on it
>Fallout 4 has you play as a veteran
>Speech options reflect how you're a dimwitted army grunt, and people pick up on it.
>>342318452
Better writing than Fallout 4.
>>342324795
>have 10 int
>still be a dimwitted army grunt
What if I want to RP as a graduate of military academy, who barely saw real combat?
>>342324795
That's great, except try playing anything other than a 'veteran' in new fallout 2 and it breaks apart.
>>342324460
>What Fallout originally was
Fallout was originally a story about people. The line of "War never changes" is strong with this theme because people never change. They will always be assholes, nice guys, cheaters, business men etc. even in extreme conditions. It shows that even under extreme pressures, the usual personalities of human kind will always come out eventually.
But it is also a game about change. How one action can affect the course of everyone around that person. Yes, the end is set in stone for Fallout 1 that you do not return to the Vault, but you can give the location to your vault showing that your character does not give a shit at all after seeing the wastelands or you can defeat the super mutants by force or by showing their ways are wrong.
Change and human nature is what makes Fallout what it is. The main thing from this is choice.
Fallout 3 limits this and Fallout 4 ignores this taking the themes at face level value.
>>342324795
>Speech options reflect how you're a dimwitted army grunt, and people pick up on it.
Lies.
>>342324460
>Lack of detail
>Likes 3
Explain to me how Megaton or Rivet City stay alive with no farming or trade routes.
>>342324219
I agree. But, and it's a huge but, F1/2 allowed you to determine the future of every settlement you came across. Fallout 3 doesn't. The overall stories are similarly simple for all Fallout games (even for NV, admit it everyone), but what really matters is the paths you take to reach the end. There are no consequences to anything you do in 3, except for deciding on whether or not to poison the water at the end. People were PISSED at Mass Effect 3 for essentially only allowing 3 endings while Fallout 3 had a grand total of 2, yet no one cared.
New Vegas is much closer to the original Fallouts than 3 because every faction mattered and the game allowed you to make decisions that would affect their individual outcome.
>>342297650
>They literally had gold mine
Fallout 4 sold more than the previous ones by far
>>342299960
They made ghouls and all mutated creatures a fucking chore to fight so I'm glad they didnt
>>342325191
>were PISSED at Mass Effect 3 for essentially only allowing 3 endings
that's because they continuously advertised that your choices mattered and would be reflected in the final game at the final moment, they did not.
besides Mass Effect 1/2 writing > Fallout 3/4
the choices in Mass Effect are alot better too.
But they didn't fuck it up. The only people who believe this are core Fallout fans who are less than half of the audience. Instead of making a CRPG style game in the first person perspective they looked at current open world trends and made it Fallout themed. In that they succeeded and thats why the game is so widely loved with only a handful of nerds like us saying its the worst ever.
>>342325335
Ghouls are alot easier to kill in 4 than 3, in 3 they were alot more bullet spongy
>>342325071
I hate Fallout 3 but there ARE traders that visit both towns. They come from the town with the cartoon ant and robot.
>>342300491
>>342314189
This 9 second video summarizes everything wrong with Fallout 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UX5gOTMsSag
>>342324941
Fallout 2 and 1 were just as narrow in their scope though. People are just now noticing because it's 3d.
>>342324986
Try playing as anything other than a tribal in 2.
>>342325043
There were assholes, nice guys, cheaters etc. in 3 and 4.
>>342325071
That's not exactly what I meant. Fallout 3 didn't do a lot but it did what it did well. Example:
>Fallout 3
>Only 2 factions, brotherhood and enclave
>You can actually join the Brotherhood and get power armor training
>Fallout New Vegas
>Ass-ton of factions
>You can't actually join any of them, best you can do are some quests loosely tied to each of the factions.
>>342325191
I can see what you mean, but having a reputation slider and getting a slightly different end slideshow isn't exactly "every faction mattering."
>>342325503
I will trade my not-food for not-food.
There's still no farms so what's the point.
>>342297932
Pretty much.
>>342325451
It's like every other medium. It takes effort, passion and time to really get into a subject and the grand majority of people just don't care enough to do so. Look at movies, books, music, beer and fast food, or anything, really. The best selling thing is rarely the best quality thing.
>>342325736
>There were assholes, nice guys, cheaters etc. in 3 and 4.
And they were mostly one note. I did mention the part about change. Although those personalities will ALWAYS be around, you can convince individuals or small groups to change.
In 3, it can be achieved but very, very, very rarely do you have it more than 2 ways.
In 4, this never happens. All groups are ingrained in their beliefs and will refuse to change.
Although the BOS was and will always be xenophobic assholes, the other factions in Fallout 1, 2 and NV offered a chance to redeem them to change the course of how they affect the wasteland. This kinda answers why
>Ass-ton of factions
is better than
>Only 2 factions, brotherhood and enclave
because it assumes only 2 factions affect the wastelands instead of each faction affecting a small part of it.
>>342322897
Wait, what?
>>342305114
I don't know who you are, but (you)r hateboner for the 50's is one of the dumbest reasons for hating Fallout 4.
>>342326302
i don't know who you are but you should read posts more clearly before responding to them.
Reminder that the source material was treated with nothing but respect.
>>342326514
based Pete Hines
>>342304050
The one resposibel for the setting and design joices is a retard.
>>342325736
>Try playing as anything other than a tribal in 2.
What was the tribal's job? Farmer? Warrior? Healer? The town drunk? Thief? Trader? They don't tell you.
What was the soldier's job? Infantryman. Oh.
>Only 2 factions, brotherhood and enclave
And they were cardboard cutouts of GOOD/EVIL. You aren't given the option to join the Enclave. You're not even given the option of letting their base survive. It just blows up.
>You can actually join the Brotherhood and get power armor training
No, you can't. You get an honorary title. You never become a full member. It's not even membership in the BoS, it's just for Sarah's squad, too. In fact, in the course of the game, it happens no matter what.
>You can't actually join any of them, best you can do are some quests loosely tied to each of the factions.
Have you played it? You can fully join some of them (like the 3 main factions, among others), and in others get the BS honorary title thing from the BoS in Fallout 3.
>>342311253
New Vegas
>See movement in distance
>Equip Binocs
>Change ammunition type
>Take them down with 4-5 shots
Fallout 4
>See movement
>Click on guys
>Take 20-40 shots because the damage scaling is fucked and ghouls (see : decayed and withered walking corpses) have enough resistance to take a few fully upgraded Hunting Rifle rounds to the head
>>342325736
>You can't actually join any of them, best you can do are some quests loosely tied to each of the factions.
No actually thats just wrong.
The NCR considers you to be part of them in many situations once you have the reputation. One of the speech checks for HELIOS ONE is that you can say that you're essentially a member. ( You can also lie and say that you're a member too)
When you obey Caesar's will you are as much a part of the Legion as a free man can be. I admit maybe it would be nice to become a slave directly to Caesar, but that would mean you wouldn't get to really choose what you do. And man wouldn't not choosing what you do suck?
I don't know how much more 'joined' you can be with the strip than to be working for house. It's a business, you don't need citizenship.
You're admitted as an honorary member for the brotherhood of steel.
The boomers give you a jacket and everything. So do the Kings.
Maybe you can't join the cities I guess, but they're not technically factions.
So at the end of the day, I gotta ask. Why lie on the internet?
>>342325736
>You can actually join the Brotherhood and get power armor training
I think you mean that's all you can do.
Try joining the enclave, or doing anything else besides going to the Brotherhood to help finish dads project with his former colleague.
>>342326302
It's not the 50's style that bothers people. It was in all the games. What pisses people off is that it's overdone and crammed in your face in Fallout 4. There is such thing as oversaturation of a style and F4 is a prime example.
>>342323112
Where is the updated one after that one anon debunked some of that shit?
>>342297650
Whats weird is that they've somewhat brought skill checks back in Far Harbour.
>>342326593
What a wonderful world.
>>342316998
A lot of the raider fluff was really good, but you can tell that it was just one or two guys doing some under the radar stuff
>>342326623
>You can fully join some of them (like the 3 main factions, among others)
that faggot must be baiting you, you can take full control over the institute, yet you have no power over it.
>>342326162
It's a nice thought, but Obsidian executed it poorly in NV. You can make the right choices and everything, but you never actually see the results of whatever it is you did. You're just told that this or that happened and expected to be satisfied with a bit of dialogue or your extra end game slide.
It's better to drop all pretenses and focus on making the best game possible for your medium, not try to transpose elements of a classic CRPG into a modern WRPG when you know that it's only gonna be disappointing.
Obsidian spent so much time on the lore that they didn't think about making the game fulfilling to play.
>>342326623
See above. What worked in classic Fallout doesn't work in modern fallout. New Vegas tried to make all that happened but they just ended up with a buggy, hollow mess with no central focus.
>>342326737
Right. In most of those situations you're TECHNICALLY a member, you MIGHT AS WELL be included. It just felt like a really tacked on way to say "yeah, you support the NCR/ Legion/ BoS, but we're not gonna give you a story where you're a fully fledged supporter because that would be too hard." It comes off as an absolute cop-out. Bethesda were right in not trying in that regard because they knew that it would be more complicated than just giving PC a uniform and some new quests.
>>342326757
It's better to join one faction than to be able to gently nudge 8 different factions toward an alternate ending.
>>342326996
https://archive.is/1zlat
>>342319898
>>342319973
This annoyed the fuck out of me
It's bad enough that the weapon variety is almost nonexistent but Jesus Christ
What the fuck were they doing for those 7 years of development
>>342297650
>had gold mine in their hands
<Bethesda reveals that Fallout 4 has shipped 12 million units around the world, setting record sales at retailers and earning over $750 million of revenue.
Yeah they really fucked up!
>>342327278
The man that couldn't be moved.
>>342327207
>It's better to have no choice at all than to have a handful of possible choices in an RPG
>>342323072
Oh you want to actually personalize your vault instead of have a 101 clone?
gibe more moni
>>342327546
WRPGs are barely RPGs though.
>>342297650
They didn't fuck up their gold mine. In case you didn't notice, the game is absurdly popular.
>>342327207
So what you are saying is you are GLAD bethesda removed choice.
>>342301721
Rumor has it (as in I have no sources but memories of various forum discussions over the years) is that F3 was originally meant to take place only decades after the war, not centuries. Then they realized they couldn't hamfist in Brotherhood and Enclave so easily. This explains the random crazy lady in Arefu who is familiar with prewar culture and the extreme shoddiness of everything.
>>342327207
No, in only with Caesars Legion are you not technically a member.
I know reading is hard but I'll work with you.
Factions you can join:
[ X ] New California Republic
[ ] Caesar's Leigon
[ X ] Strip
[ X ] Boomers
[ X ] Brotherhood of Steel
[ X ] Followers of the Apocalypse
[ ] Great Khans
>>342327694
[ X ] The Kings
I'm still pissed that DC was anything other that a glass crater. "But in Fallout bombs are low yield!" Bullshit.
>>342327207
It's better to try and fail rather than to never try and still failing.
The story is a mess in Fallout 3 despite having less factions and quest lines.
Looking from a gameplay perspective, NV is still the better of the two older 3D fallout games. 4 may be the best with surface level but getting into the nitty gritty and it falls apart. The lack of stats that informs a character's choices and knowledge plus the repetition of enemies without logic (Chameleon Deathclaws are the same as regular Deathclaws except different colours even though Deathclaws were genetically modified chameleons in the first place that lost their camouflage).
Gameplay, NV is still better for long term, 4 for short term. Story wise, it represents the themes much better and can be built upon because it tried. The little things it got right could be improved for a better experience. Also is a mess with a lot of freedom than a mess with little freedom.
That is why trying to do stuff and failing is better than wallowing in nostalgia and never changing.
>>342323478
except unlike in 1, 3 has bland, soulless characters and overall shit writing. the best parts of 3 were when you ignored literally everything bethesda wrote and instead dicked around aimlessly. best part of the good fallouts was their writing, world building, and sense of immersion. essentially bethesda is good at making sandbox, dick-around fests, interplay/black isle/ obsidian are good at making RPGs.
>>342327593
Todd please i just want the holy 13
>>342327823
but then you couldn't play the elder scrolls there though
>>342327595
What does that leave us then?
CRPGs are pretty much dead at this point unless a resurgence comes and JRPGs are less RPGs than WRPGs.
>>342324219
Yes but in Fallout 1 it is a starting point where as in Fallout 4 it is a plot element, you can pretend to be some bumbling fuck who wandered in from the next town over (or actually believe that, depending on your characters intelligence). and since there is no Voiced Protagonist to deliver the line in one way, it's up to YOU to determine how it is
>>342328121
>CRPGs are pretty much dead
*cough* Original Sin *cough*
>>342327694
>ESSENTIALLY a member
>CONSIDERED part of the NCR
>HONORARY member of BoS
This is exactly the point I'm making. You can't join NCR squads and raid Legion hideouts.
You can't help BoS combat Enclave remnants.
Joining the Strip means what exactly? You gamble a lot and get a free suite?
Whoopedy-Doo.
Boomers are 90% irrelevant.
Followers of the Apocalypse is nothing but dropping off stimpaks and doing that one sidequest where you help the junkies out.
On the whole, very, very shallow.
>>342327959
It's better to have an attainable goal and reach that goal than to have an over-ambicious goal and absolutely fail at attaining it.
>>342328121
It means we can stop beating the dead horse and move on to greener pastures.
>>342307940
In F1 to F2 to FNV you see progress in society. Out the rubel rebuilding.
In F3 nope. As if yesterday the bombs did fell.
There is a constant them of progress. Every town every person had its story to tell.
Not in f3 and not in f4. Again stagnation.
I could go on for houers. But no time.
>>342324219
Did you even read Van Burens plot
The closest Fallout 3 gets to it is the "old evil man is scheming"
It's really sad knowing so many talented individuals work at Bethesda, yet their potential is completely wasted.
>>342328198
In terms of a variety of releases anon.
I can't play the same games for years on end without a new one to play every so often.
>>342328220
>Actual role playing
>Dead horse
A lot of cool games came out of role playing. Doom for one.
>>342328284
I acknowledge that in my next post.
I didn't mean a literal plot, I meant an overall theme.
>>342328220
But you can literally do the things you stated.
>>342328220
If F:NV is very, very shallow. I guess that makes F3 a drop of water in a desert.
>>342328362
>I can't play the same games for years on end without a new one to play every so often.
I can.
>>342328220
You're as full a member of the brotherhood in NV as you are in f3.
If that's your argument, then f3 doesn't have any factions either. And we're on the same page that NV was a much better designed game.
>>342328432
No, you get to do a different branch of quests relating to that faction depending on who you choose.
You're treated like a super-special secret agent no matter what though. You can't just play the role (hmmm) of an ordinary grunt or a BoS initiate. While Fallout 3 and 4 had a lot less "choice", they actually made the story you play through seem substantial.
>>342328617
Except the BoS of 3 actually has some bearing on the plot.
>>342328220
>On the whole, very, very shallow.
Explain why Fallout 3 is so much deeper then, please.
>>342328730
but you can't join them, Because you specifically said that being an honorary member doesn't count, and the only other way is to be born into the Brotherhood.
>>342297650
they don't have people who care
>>342328730
>Except the BoS of 3 actually has some bearing on the plot.
Whoever you pick to side with in NV has just as much interaction with the plot as BoS does in 3. The only difference is you're not on rails to ally yourself with the good guys.
>>342328730
You do the same thing in F3. Everyone treats you like a special snowflake in F3 and F4.
>>342328730
>Except the BoS of 3 actually has some bearing on the plot.
So does the NV BoS.
Legion hates them because they are reliant on technology.
NCR hates them because the war they had with them.
House hates them because they are xenophobes sitting in a bunker all day not doing shit.
You can choose to hate them.
Their plot point is that everyone hates them and using your knowledge of the wasteland, you can change that hate or destroy them, affecting a part of the wasteland (Like having the Brotherhood actually go out and steal more tech or them having an alliance with the NCR, strengthening the NCR's reign over their area.)
>>342328765
Because Fallout 3 focused on 1 plot and was able to put a lot more effort into that one plot.
Fallout New Vegas instead decided to have a loose main plot and a billion different subplots, and thus couldn't actually make any of them fun to play through or even feel like they had a point.
>>342328960
But it doesn't. I didn't see any Paladins up at hoover dam.
>>342329018
Right, but it doesn't make it ok for NV to pull the same shit. To try and make an authentic roleplaying experience and fall into the "special snowflake" pitfall only shows that Obsidian is a bunch of fucking hacks who are really no better than Bethesda.
>>342329028
Right, but they don't change the ending one bit.
>>342329028
He's cherrypicking hard, stop replying to him, he's just shitposting at this point.
>>342325736
Caesar literally puts your face on Legion money while your little honorary membership to the Brotherhood in 3 is completely forgotten by everyone in 4
>>342329153
They do though.
The consequence of the Brotherhood being destroyed is exactly that, no more brotherhood in that area. Tech is free for anyone to gobble up and this time, no crazy person in an overpowered tin can is going to do anything.
Inversely, letting them live means that the wasteland is now a lot more dangerous due to crazy men in tin cans harassing people for tech.
There is an effect this has, unless you are talking about immediate effects in the last battle, in that case you can fuck off. Fallout, from the very very beginning was about long term effects from your short term actions and were not always apparent until it was too late to change anything.
With 3, everything tied together too nicely in the end, it felt like everything was building up to one moment instead of each little thing exist to change one part of the wasteland.
I want everyone to look at the wiki page for Legion and Institute
Just look at them and know that this is all the Institute fluff aside from some cut content, while for the Legion it is only a quarter of what got it
>>342329468
Ending slides don't count, no bearing on gameplay. Maybe obsidian should write books instead.
>>342329512
>more ending slide bullshit
>>342329229
It's fun though.
I like talking about Fallout plot points, trying to see how many I can remember.
>>342325736
>Try playing as anything other than a tribal in 2.
Well here is the difference from all other fallout games to 4
The beginning will always be the same be it you are a vault dweller or tribe or courior but they always give you a way to separate yourself to some extent, allowing you to build your character the way you want. just because you are a tribes men doesnt mean you cant be a tough greaser guy who decides to use nothing but his fists to solve everything. sure you did grow up in a tribe but you are allowed to develop a personality
In 4 they already made a personality for you. you will always talk like a pre war vet who lost his kid. you will always act like one. cant change who you are. cant change how you talk.
Thats what makes the other games better.
>>342329153
So you agree that F3 is shit?
>>342329654
I'm only saying that /v/ needs to stop putting their precious shitsidian on a pedestal. They're really not that great.
>>342329729
I'm guessing you're probably hyped for Skyrim Remastered
>>342329153
Fallout 3s plot is literally one of the worst written stories in video game history and makes absolutely no sense at all in addition to 50% of it being a literal recycling of Fallout 1 and 2s plot
>>342329557
You want everything to be apparent immediately and show if you made a good or bad decision straight away huh?
The slides are there to show the after effects of your actions. You can't just brush them off because they are not playable. They are there to show there are long term effects to your actions.
Besides, there are gameplay moments that show your actions caused shit to happen, such as the Ghouls in the rocketeer facility.
Also, there is no point for the Brotherhood to show up at Hoover Dam at all. No point for House or others as well. The ones with a point to be there (Boomers, NCR, Legion etc) are there because it makes more sense since this is a conflict between those factions. 3's battle felt like the entire wasteland was only those two factions instead of a... wasteland.
>>342300739
neo/v/ at its finest
go pick up a book once in a while
>>342329557
if the ending slides dont count then the ending of fallout 3 was you died to radiation
>>342329865
It wouldn't be that fucking hard to have a playable epilogue.
>>342329848
That's subjective. Also, Bethesda can do whatever the fuck they want with the plot, considering they own the IP.
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>>342311253
Bulshit.
Your just having a nigger system.
I was playing on a potatto and no coruptions. Playes like a charm till this day.
>>342329729
All your arguments are either wrong or strictly opinion based though, you are just saying that Fallout 3 has a better story, or that Fallout 3 wore it better
We can't really disprove that but you can't really prove you are right either.
>>342300641
They did go overboard with the zaniness in the new games
>>342329153
>Because Fallout 3 focused on 1 plot and was able to put a lot more effort into that one plot.
It was a fucking hot mess, from how your dad knew where a G.E.C.K was located and how it looked, to how it was somehow the missing piece to get the plant working in the first place, somehow. How the BoS reacted in regards to taking the purification plant back (liberty prime and its use of football nukes) to a handful of other problems in regards to the story arch.
While F:NV wasn't some masterpiece that could've benefited from a handful of things like a longer development time, it's still a mile if not miles ahead of F3.
>>342330138
>It wouldn't be that fucking hard to have a playable epilogue.
Which 3 didn't even do at all. It showed the final battle then cuts away pretending nothing happened. It tells you that things changed, but nothing actually did.
>That's subjective. Also, Bethesda can do whatever the fuck they want with the plot, considering they own the IP.
Doesn't make it less shitty they are contradicting basic elements, let alone the major stuff that Fallout 1+2 were trying to do.
>BROKEN STEEL
>We needed a DLC because we fucked up hard.
Pic related is a breddy gud take on FNV vs F4.
>>342315712
A constant reeeeeeeeee
Scream the whole game throu.
>>342330661
TOO FUCKING LONG, it would take me a hour to read thati read slowand it's probably just something i agree with.
i liked fallout 4
>>342330138
>you need to buy dlc to get the full ending
>>342297650
it's still a gold mine but instead of extracting pure gold they mine for fool's gold and year after year, millions of miners waste their meagre possessions with this shit
it's been like this since skyrim
>>342330661
this should just be posted at the beginning of every Fallout thread
>>342331546
did you read it? tell me about it.
>>342331761
>Bethesda misses the point of Fallout
>Bethesda misses the point of Fallout being an RPG
>Bethesda misses the point of Fallout having choices
>Bethesda misses the point of the factions of Fallout
I think that's a general look over it, but you have to read it to get the full detail.
Wonder how it feels to have pop-culture references turned into hated memes retroactively. I can't remember a single person hating on the "BLATANT 4TH WALL IMMERSION BREAKING BULLSHIT MEME 90S GARBAGE" up until 2010. Not even online.
>>342297932
> the power armor was good
Strongly disagree.
It was a half-amusing gimmick that added nothing but another level of collection tedium.
>>342331761
To summarize, The original fallouts had some set rules in place
#1 - Multiple Decisions. We will always allow for multiple solutions to any obstacle
#2 - No Useless Skills. The skills we allow you to take will have meaning in game
#3 - Dark Humor was good, Slap-stick was not
#4 - Let the player play how he wants to play
#5 - Your actions have repercussions
Then it's a wall of text explaining about how Bethesda just shitter shatters all over this so they can instead replace that with TES elements so they can be even more lazy
>>342331905
yeah i thought it would say that, thanks for the tr:dr familion
>>342332303
>#1 - Multiple Decisions.
yeah there was like, speech, stealth and i think killing.
>#2 - No Useless Skills.
what skills are useless in 3?
>>342332417
>I didn't read the fucking post
Go read the fucking post. Those were the guiding principles for FO's progenitor. The author explains how FO3 breaks them purposefully and without sound reasoning.
>>342332417
If you are trying to dissect a fucking summary then of course you are going to have an advantage
read the post
>>342332530
already said i didn't read it here >>342330916
that should also be implied from here >>342331761
>>342324460
Stop throwing buzzwords around and provide evidance for the lackof detail.
FNV is by far the most flesht out and detaild f game.
>>342330138
>That's subjective. Also, Bethesda can do whatever the fuck they want with the plot, considering they own the IP.
That is a strange excuse for bad writing.
And yes, bethesda is OBJECTIVELY bad at its writing.
>bethesda
>get an rpg
>make it an fps
>start removing rpg features from it
>turn it closer and closer towards far cry
Why?
>>342334641
Because RPGs are a relic from a time when the closest thing to real life we could approximate was numeric values on a piece of paper symbolizing armor values and weapon attack. Now, we can visually create those things on screen, rendering those numbers obsolete.
The real crime here is that we can't keep the complexity of the D&D approach as we inch closer and closer to this mindless endgame.
I've never played fallout vegas.
Should I? Tbh I find the iterations of Fallout 3, 4 and Vegas to look really, really ugly.
>>342334824
all the elder scrolls game look like shit too
>>342301576
And stay extinct yah sacks of shit.
>>342332417
>what skills are useless in 3
What's that instant level up skill? That shit is actually worth less than not getting a skill.
>>342335257
that's not a skill though, that's a perk.
>>342335385
Oh, then speech. Speech was absolutely worthless because everything was a percentage chance and you could savescum every dialogue option.
>>342335558
yeah new vegas fixed that by making them a hard lock.. then fallout 4 went back to the random chance.
>>342335661
>>342335558
it's so stupid. perks and skills are ruined forever.
>>342307940
But you can meet frank horrigan in a random encounter. He isn't shoe horned in. Hes clued at multiple times in the story.
I was just playing far harbor. Nick Valentine said "I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds."
felt awesome when he said that
>>342336148
>i recognize that reference
>fuckin' epic man
>>342336201
I didn't even know what it's from. just a good quote.
>Its a "We expected FO4 to be like FO2 rather than FO3" episode
>>342297650
This picture perfectly exemplifies how Bethesda got it all wrong.
The missed the mark on the artstyle, on the retro scifi feel of the universe, on the themes of it, on the mood, on how the gameplay highlights it...
Fallout 2 was the last good Fallout game, Bethesda will never make it great again, just like they will never make Doom great again, just like Actiblizz won't make Diablo great again, just like 343 won't make Halo good again, just like Squenix won't make Tomb Raider great again...
I fucking hate this industry.
>>342297650
>How did they fuck up Fallout series so bad
They didn't.
>>342336368
maybe you should start your own game company because you clearly could do better
FO4 fails at being a great Fallout game if you consider FO1/2 to be what one should be.
However, I feel like people wouldn't shit all over it anywhere NEAR as much as they do if it had just simply been called something else. Almost certain people wouldn't give it literal one-star ratings if it was just a completely different IP.
Which is a wrong way to look at a game, in my opinion.
>>342336368
that picture is from the long cancelled fallout mmo
>>342336531
It's a loading screen from Fallout 1 or 2.
>>342336431
Way to miss the mark anon, that's precisely the point: I couldn't do better, and no one could other than their original creators.
All those devs think they're such hot shit, they can make sequels to such legendary series, but then why don't they create new franchises? Well they won't because they're not hot shit and can't fucking create anything. They just rape those dead franchises because they think it'll be enough to make their games successful, when people that DO remember those old franchises hate those new sequels, and those that buy those new sequels DON'T FUCKING CARE about the previous games.
They're just raping old franchises for no fucking reason other than their admission they fucking suck.
>>342336468
agreed, I don't understand why you wouldn't give the game you bought the benefit of the doubt and try to find the fun. fucking kids today have no concept of finding the fun it's either 100% fantastic from minute one or it's complete trash. I swear I can't imagine how badly /v/ would rip Mario 64 apart because super Mario 3 was the last good one, assholes
>>342336468
>this game is inferior to the others sharing its namesake
>YOU SHOULD JUDGE IT BY ITS OWN MERITS
If it was a new IP, it would just be a mediocre game. Since it actively fucks with the canon of the series it goes leeches off, it becomes a mediocre game that damages the entire series by existing.
>>342336468
>people shouldn't criticize drastic changes done to a franchise
wow, you could make COD and Gears of War, who cares right? there's no nuance there to be had, one is the same as the other, just with a different name.
>>342336639
Maybe you should stop romanticizing the past bro
>>342336416
They did.
>>342336531
>>342336640
And somehow that means they got the artstyle wrong?
>>342336723
he's a nostalgiafag
>>342297650
Fallout 4 is better than Fallout 3
>>342336723
Try romanticizing the present anon.
I'll be waiting.
>>342336663
If you say so. I don't think its mediocre at all.
I think its fairly close to STALKER once you do a little modding to it (which is also what makes STALKER great), and I don't see people shitting all over that. Most of the whining stems from weak RPG elements and bad implementation of what you were expecting from a Fallout game. If you don't actually expect those, then it wouldn't be disappointing you.
>>342336670
Don't even know what you're saying. Its nothing like CoD.
>>342336796
I agree solely because I truly believe the building fits the series perfectly
>>342336639
THIS!
BETSEDA IN A NUT SHELL!
Its a factory not a game studio.
>>342336823
It was the best of times it was the worst of times
>>342336848
>Don't even know what you're saying. Its nothing like CoD.
that's the point faggot, it's a different IP and should be judge different because of what it is trying to be, not what everything else is.
>>342336823
The most enjoyable day is today.
>>342336960
What its trying to be is an action game with RPG elements. In that I think it does pretty well.
Doesn't have to be Fallout or CoD. Thinking that it could only be such extremes is childish
>>342336468
>Which is a wrong way to look at a game, in my opinion.
No one other than the game itself claimed to be a sequel. If it makes such a claim, it better deliver. It doesn't. It just purposedly plays on expectations of fans, only to fool them.
If it's so different, it may as well not be a sequel.
fallout 1 and 2 could be tabletop games
>>342336848
>it's okay once you mod it
Yeah man, that makes it COMPLETELY fine.
It is a mediocre game in every way. There are no wonderful systems, at least no wonderful systems present in the core gameplay. Crafting is fun and settlement building is fun once, but nothing else is even above average.
>>342337053
then what was you point in your original post? >>342336468
>>342304050
>>342304184
>>342305114
These threads are hilarious.
>>342336857
>>342337035
You suck at this.
>>342336639
Sure, Faggo did such a good work in Wasteland 2, aka Fallout with a dull setting and the same shitty SPECIAL with an even worse skill system.
>>342336848
STALKER was flawed, but had a vision, it had issues, but the foundations were solid, and it certainly didn't need mods to be awesome on its own. People modded it to make it better.
FO3 and 4 need to be reworked from the ground up to be enjoyable, and even then, they're still not really interesting games.
>>342300491
CANNOT UNHEAR
>>342301869
Ah Bodd, lying to little boys on message boards I see!
>>342337123
That people are shitting on it because it bears the name and taking that bias into calling it a bad game, rather than a bad implementation of an IP.
Try to keep up.
>>342337164
Thats the stupidest image I've ever seen.
A Hi-power is inexcusable for some reason?
>>342337264
FO3 is fucking garbage because it tries to be the action-RPG hybrid FO4 is but without any of the refinement to gunplay or combat that it requires. It fails in all departments.
FO4 can actually lean on those mechanics because they are solid. I enjoyed it vanilla, especially the new survival mode.
But I would never claim its a good Fallout game. This seems to be something people are physically incapable of separating.
>muh shaun
>muh baby boy
>my last request is for you to take care of this fake robot kid
>no
>YOU ARE LITERALLY HITLER
How can anyone claim that previous Fallouts are just as bad? In Fallout 2 you can literally pump and dump women and you find out your son did some shit in the ending.
Bethesda would never ever do that. You'd have your character talk about muh family all the time.
>>342337382
you're saying that just because it's the next game people are bitching about it? anon, nobody is bitching that it's the next fallout game, people are bitching because it's a bad game.
>>342337556
Most complaints I see or hear are in reference to other Fallout games.
i.e "They dumbed the dialog system down from FO3!"
>>342337178
two different people, if you didn't get #2 reference then you're a____
>>342337646
>"you" is always plural
Here are your (yous)
>>342337620
that's not what you just said.
>it because it bears the name
you said that because it had a 4 in it people bitch about it. no, it changing the way the IP previously was to a worse state is a legitimate complaint.
They're not trying to sell a new IP, they're trying to sell something family to people, that's the whole point of a IP.
>>342337210
Years have passed, development team is different, budget wasn't the same... you can't really compare those things anon.
For the budget it had, it was a great game.
>>342337620
>They dumbed the dialog system down from FO3!
That is a completely legitimate complaint though.
>>342337748
Bears the name Fallout.
"4" isn't a name.
I know they're not selling a new IP. I said people wouldn't complain as much if it was.
You are genuinely illiterate.
>>342337808
Its awful, yes. But like I said, people probably wouldn't give much of a shit if it wasn't for the "Fallout" in the name and people expecting an RPG experience.
>>342297650
Fallout 4 is better than the 3 and New Vegas.
>>342337912
>You are genuinely illiterate.
throwing insult won't get you anywhere.
>I said people wouldn't complain as much if it was.
ofcourse they wouldn't, then they might not even have bought it, geez you're fucking dense.
>"4" isn't a name.
oh yeah? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0445161/
>>342337785
The budgets of F1 and Wasteland 2 are pretty much equal, only that this time they just needed to get a Unity license instead of creating a game engine from the ground up, so yeah, they can be compared. And it wasn't a great game, if was a massive pandering to mouth breathing retards who think that all of the stuff old games did was good, instead of realizing that for the most part those mechanics are a bastardized version of some tabletop RPG's rules that might not have been that good from the start.
>>342338180
>The budgets of F1 and Wasteland 2 are pretty much equal
And FO1 was made by a well established studio full with the tools required that had worked on many games before, far from the "let's start over from scratch 20 years later" that Wasteland 2 was.
You can't compare the two, really.
>>342297650
Fallout 4 might be Bethesda's 2nd worst release (worst is skyrim) in terms of quality but it's their most competent release in terms of not having glaring flaws in the core gameplay
>>342338345
I don't think inXile was created overnight just for Wasteland 2. It was already around when Bard's tale came out. So yeah, that covers the well established studio too.
>>342338580
And until then they made shitty phone-tier games. They didn't have the shoulders to make anything truly big and were struggling with anything.
>>342338734
Hunted the demon forge is anything but a phone game. It's a crappy, forgettable game, but that describes well most of Interplay's early output.
>>342297650
All Fallout games is, like all the other games in the big franchises of Bethesda, is a GOTY game.
This is proven true by no other than how well it sells, the dynamic open game-world which is robust, detailed and filled with various content.
No other game offers such features, such enormous amount of content or such a deep variety of tasks you can undertake in it's virtual world.
It's modding community speaks for itself proving that both the game engine used by Bethesda's leading franchises are one of the most cutting edge creations of all of modern gaming and that their virtual worlds are just as excellent. There is almost nothing their engine can't do within some limits considering the complete simulation it provides and has to provide. Weapons for example are truly weapons and can be identically treated as such from various enemies to containers through a wide-range of activities from an NPC choosing the best gun for the job to looting a corpse to looting a container. Every single design consideration shows their future proof ahead-of-their-time thinking and this unified container based thinking is one of it's best proofs.
The variety of stories happening in these games and how their combined length is hundreds of hours long again shows the rank breaking nature of Bethesda's and Todd Howard's games.
Despite this I too feel that Fallout 4 is in some ways weaker then it's great predecessors, I also believe this can be attributed to the never ending innovation done by Bethesda, Todd Howard and their incredible engineers. It is merely a small setback in some ways on the long run mostly compensated by the incredible innovations Fallout 4 and it's revolutionary iteration of Creation Engine brings.
No other games in the same category can even come close to the award winning franchises of Bethesda nor to Fallout 4.
>>342311253
> quest structure = story
Nigga it's literally just a wide variety of ways how to approach a quest, and has NOTHING to do with story.
what a fucking wet fart FO4 was. they decided to turn it into half of a terrible bethesda game and half of a terrible settlement builder and it controls like shiiiiiiit and is pointless
>>342297650
Everything is Synths. Generic legendary enemy number 3020, no interesting quests and so on.
Also 95% of the weapons have no trigger.
I'm not kidding, you couldn't shoot a bunch of weapons.
>>342339573
You don't know what you're talking about.
See >>342339191
>>342301309
at least with far harbor and the synth guy's claim you can headcanon-retcon it with "mc is most likely a synth, that memory was fake, implanted" and handwave the entire pre-war segment away as what the institute thought it was like.
>>342339191
> popularity = quality
Nice appeal to popularity fallacy, gr8 b8
>>342303731
vault building looks similar to the cellphone fallout vault building.
>yfw you realize that dlc will just be the mobile app ported into f4 engine.
>>342340005
>Nitpicking a single point from the whole.
I guess you agree with me, because you don't seem to have a counter-argument.
>>342306097
During that time, modders have too much free time.
https://youtu.be/OSPYfFalzHw
>>342306038
>>342306120
>>342306291
>>342306573
>Not going to the dam for the NCR supplier that have a shit ton of ammo of all type, even .50
>>342340257
how he can have counter argument, when you didn't tell the argument first. It was only marketing talk.
>>342302390
>having people fight over a magical radioactive miricle machine, when its canon that you can just dig a fucking well and water caravans already exist
Fallout 3 contradicted its own plot way too much. Fresh water is cool, that's why any tiny settlement can produce it with their robot butlers in Fallout 3. Not to mention fresh water and Nukacola vending machines are literally everywhere. Why is a GECK needed to produce fresh water? It was never explained why that one VR vault scientist lived for so very long. We just had to role with it. And yeah, goes without saying James is an idiot. Fresh water for the wasteland, despite there not really being a water problem. Also, Enclave didn't really pose a threat at all. They wanted to.... Purify the water, but kill mutants? Oh, but they're the bad guys, so we need to kill them apparently. Certainly doesn't help Ghouls and Super Mutants just became baddies rather than having memorable and reasonable people. Don't even get me started on what they did to Harold.
Anyways, sad to see what happened to the new Black Isle Studios. They basically became a trash bin Indie studio now. Never played Vegas, but sounds like Obsidian is where a lot of the talented people jumped ship to.
>>342319505
>freezing flamer
>shoots frozen flames at enemies
I should really go back and finish Fallout 3 one of these days.
Did we ever found out just how many copies Fallout 4 sold? I assume it was successful but I want to compare it to other fallout titles in sales.
>>342302390
>walk into first town
>go to bar
>some dude randomly asks me if I want to destroy the entire town
>blow his head off
>You gained karma! :D
Wow, what amazing moral choices and roleplaying. I can either kill a bunch of people or not kill a bunch of people!
>>342337164
I know that's a bait image.
But it does have a point.
But I still like realguns in my FO. It was one of my favorite things aboutTactics.
also
>cyberpunky
yes I read the fine print still fuck you
I found it. New Black Isle/ New Interplay's youtube channel. After basically stealing people's money through crowdfunding Project V13 (rebranding of a cancelled Fallout MMO 'cause Bethesda) now they make smash hits like generic mobile Santa game. Amazing.
https://www.youtube.com/user/InterplayGames/videos
>>342297932
They should honestly just remove every single RPG aspect at this point. It's clear that they can't manage it properly anyway, so they should just give up and make it a straight faced action game. And then maybe, just maybe, that action game will actually be decent.
>>342297650
>How did they fuck up Fallout 4 series so bad.
They gave it to Todd.
>>342309051
That'd explain why you liked FO4 so much then.
Why do people hate Fallout 4 so much? I liked it more than 3 and New Vegas.
The biggest improvement is nearly every place you visit has its own story for you to discover.
The only things 4 does worse than the other two is the lack of meaningful dialogue options, shit factions, and what they did to Charisma.
>>342297932
It kind of bother me that they made the power armor more of a vehicle than a suit of armor.
It's no damn mech. The military did have tanks and aircraft and such. If they were to go through all of that trouble they would have used them instead.
>>342334641
>Why?
because they know the vast majority of potential buyers are retarded people who just end up shooting everything and play minecraft
>>342302390
>character creation
>set age slider to max
>white heir and beard
>player character is now visually much older than their father
, James
Now thats what I call roleplaying
Should I cheat my way up to get infinite junk in Fallout 4? Scrapping all those things and looking for junk is pretty fucking boring, I want to mod shit up
>>342326714
New Vegas
>See movement in the distance
>Equip scoped rifle
>See another of Boone's victims ragdolling
Fallout 4
>See movement
>Kill them in one hit with a x5 sneak attack to the head
FTFY
NEW VEGAS > 2 > 1 > 3 >4
Also fuck Bethesda for trying to rewrite all the fucking lore
>>342321813
Stop toddposting without the pics at least
>>342346625
Isn't it true that when Synths were introduced, the Brotherhood of Steel became assholes?
Let's be real though. FO4 isn't a bad game, it's just mediocre.
And this all comes down to them completely removing everything that made the originals roleplaying games.
What it is now is a fairly competent FPS game series.
>>342297650
>Fallout 4 series
What
>>342344197
Except power armour isn't a mech, it's a powered suit. There aren't any controls or anything, you slip your arms down the arms and your legs down the legs and off you go as if you were wearing any other suit of armour.
And it combines the resilience and (most of) the firepower of a tank with the natural mobility of a human, so how exactly does a tank make power armour redundant?
>>342347492
>Except power armour isn't a mech, it's a powered suit.
Exactly. But in Fallout 4 it's treated more as a vehicle than a suit. That was my entire point. I don't like it.
>>342347631
Describe to me how FO4's power armour is a 'vehicle' instead of a powered suit. Because I'm really, really not seeing it.
Anybody else interested what the world looks like in places that weren't considered worth wasting Uranium on? Places like most of South America, Syberia, Africa, Most of inland Asia etc. I understand Island states would be fucked due to sea polution basically fucking up 90% of their food income if isolated, but radioactive rain isn't somethings the world couldn't recover from in a decade, especially with Fallout's take on radioactivity.
>>342347831
He means a way to move faster while carrying more, you dense ape.
>>342330138
>Subjective
Not only does it completely fail to make any sense within the science of our own reality, but it also makes no sense within the rules the universe already has set up.
If it took place like 40 or so years after the war, it would make sense. But 200 years?
