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So remind me why they shut this down again?
It was so much better than what we have now.
>that graphics
>that map
>that everything
>>342242229
I agree
>>342242229
Actually it was fucking terrible
The map and everything else was shit though.
Graphics were nice, yes but unoptimized as shit.
i like both
>>342242229
>That WoW HUD
>>342242229
It reminded me of 11, and when they were remaking the game I thought they were gonna give us more of FF11 and not a WoW lite. It was extremely dissapointing when we didnt. That ending server event was incredible, combat was incredible, crafting was off the fucking chain, you felt like you actually progressed and gear wasn't on a treadmill. The bosses were great as well, they should've kept going with it.
>that classic final fantasy text graphics
nice
The only bad part of the original game was the networking.
ARR is gutter trash on all fronts, but it sells because it's simple and accessible to idiots who subscribe just to doll up their character and not play.
Case in point:
>>342242618
>>342242229
Simply put, MMO players are all retarded and they wanted everything to be dumbed down to cater for them.
Every MMO dies in this way sooner or later, but for some reason they got to Final Fantasy quicker than most.
What's the difference?
Final Fantasy has literally always been total shit
>>342242592
Well I can tell you now although 90% of your post is spot on. The bosses were great part is still true to FF14, I actually like a lot of the dungeons it has to offer.
>>342242229
Wouldn't have the best ending in final fantasy history if it didn't end m8
>>342242229
>Worse lighting engine
>Server sided UI
>Game punished you for playing too much even though you're paying a monthly sub fee
>World servers went down multiple times a day
>Game engine was not built for a MMO (uses the same engine as FF13) it was so horribly unoptimized that a i5 2500k and Fermi GPU couldn't get a solid 45FPS and those were considered to be top of the line PC hardware at the time
>Software mouse cursor only which had input lag
>Keyboard+Mouse support was an afterthought
>Literal copypasted terrain and parts of areas to make the world seem big
>Changing classes required extensive macros and waiting to equip each piece of gear individually
>Parts of the game still wasn't even translated, some crafting tooltips were still in Japanese
>>342243247
why do anti-14 fags always use such retarded hyperbole in their arguments
>>342242229
the graphics were pretty on PC but unoptimized as shit, they had to dumb it down to get it to work on ps3. Do you really miss the hugeass copy pasted zones that took forever to walk across. The only part of those maps that was better was being able to seamlessly walk through Lomsa Lominsa and Ul'dah.
>>342243182
Dont get me wrong, I played the shit out of ARR, did all the titans and full cleared coil before my life got in the way. I love ARR, it's still the same FF, just wish it had the slower methodical play that let you soak in the atmosphere that FF11 had, and consequently XIV, I got serious feels running around Uldah and crafting armor with my linkshell. When they added materia people became filthy fucking rich it was awesome.
>>342243247
/thread
The game was game design gone horribly wrong. It may have had some decent concepts but it failed horribly at the execution.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA7GGnyNwEs
lol
>>342243685
>>342243247
>>342243247
We knew it had flaws, the conversation was about how we wish they perfected the formula they were going with in XIV, make it more like FF11 and less like WoW.
>IP count remainds unchanged in this thread since the shitposters turned up
hmm...do I smell samefagging Yoshi-P shills?
What's wrong, subscription numbers falling?
>>342243851
Except 1.x was nothing like FF11. There were no skillchains, switching jobs mid-combat, or a thriving community. The gameplay was utter kusoge that even garbage WoW combat had more depth than it.
>>342244005
>24 posts 19 ips
what the fuck are you even talking about
FFXI's and 1.0's combat are clunky, slow, uninteresting and even visually unappealing. I don't understand how anyone could like them.
The only thing 1.0 did right was not to indulge in casualization like the remake did. However it still had massive flaws that make the current FFXIV overally better by a thousand miles even while being a "wow-clone".
>>342244137
But they were making it more like FF11 every patch, it was looking great at the end of the realm event, I thought it was going to be like that but perfected, but then we got a WoW clone. Which I played to be honest, but still I would've preferred a different game.
>>342242229
They shut it down because it was clearly a rushed game that was outsourced by chinks.
>>342244137
>kusoge
please never post again
>>342243461
all of that stuff is true though, 1.0 was seriously that bad. When a p2p game has to stop charging a monthly fee because the game is such garbage you know the game is truly shit.
I can't believe there are still 4.0 apologists here
https://youtu.be/vNm-t9eWSvA
Let's be serious for a second here, if you actually , genuinely, unironically prefer A Realm Reborn you are a retard and a pleb.
>>342244972
One is a game, the other is an unoptimized piece of shit that deserved worse than the death it got.
>>342244972
And you're a braindead autist if you actually enjoyed 1.x
http://youtu.be/lW5DnpidMiY
>>342245212
What's the matter? Not enough moving out of telegraphed AOE attacks for you?
>>342245212
lmao what is this
everyone is just standing still doing nothing
>>342245370
At least you're actually moving and doing something instead of standing still for 20 minutes alt tabbed while pressing the same 12 buttons with a macro program.
>>342242229
They fixed some shit and broke other.
Its cool now but i can not forgive the asses.
>>342245212
Are you seriously suggesting it's any better now? You just spam a rotation and move out of a red circle every 5 minutes.
All the people who parrot the "it was horrible" line never played it to endgame. It wasn't great and sold poorly, but it was good enough. My computer died and I played it like this for a while on a toaster. Good times.
>>342245619
Why do American's like saggy ass so much?
>>342242765
>ARR is gutter trash on all fronts, but it sells because it's simple and accessible to idiots who subscribe just to doll up their character and not play.
AND FFXIV is now big safe zone for transgender faggots.
>>342242229
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--LOYdzogDA
>>342244743
>you won't be able to make FF 4.0 joke anymore after real 4.0 comes out
>>342245438
>dps nuke nuke
>Go all out!
that was some riveting combat
>>342245662
Compare >>342245212
To this: http://youtu.be/bBmilZaq098
It's not hard to understand why ARR is a success compared to XIV 1.0
This is my character from those days
>>342244137
>switching jobs mid combat
???
>the fatigue system
Still gives me nightmares
>>342245854
>You'll never get to make Krile your personal fucktoy
Why even live
>>342246143
1.X lighting was so awesome...
>>342245787
The fatigue complainers are literally just autistic WoWfag poopsockers who got buttmad they had to do something other than grind trash mobs to max level.
As usual people who think endgame is everything killed another decent MMO.
>>342246347
Why should a game punish you for playing a lot? its salt enough that you're paying $15 a month to play a shitty game but they also restrict how much you can level a week.
Whoa... so this is the power of midcore content...
The Warrens is now playing.
>>342246738
Ozma is easy, just follow this strategy guide.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Vr9mLP6NwnU
Cutscene quality was so much better too, OP.
2.0 onwards feels like a shitty budget indie game.
>>342244137
> switching jobs mid combat
You sure you played 11?
>>342246909
10/10 bait since the URL didn't load immediately and I was about to shit down your throat.
Even after all that shit though there was STILL one alliance that would bring their meteors to the right. Some how we managed to scrub through it.
blame the PS3 for this
>>342246909
>You're gonna die
>>342246956
The cutscenes got better in Heavensward, but still not 1.0 tier. Most of the budget of 1.0 was spent on cutscene modeling and making high quality assets which PCs couldn't handle at the time.
>>342247605
They really need to improve the cutescenes, they were actually really nice in 1.XX
>>342246971
>>342246169
maybe by mid combat they meant
>warp back to mog house
>switch jobs
>spend 10 minutes switching all 50 pieces of situational gear that you need to macro in on ability use
>port back rejoin the fight like nothing happened because it takes forever to kill anything
>>342247863
They were nice because they focused too much time on them instead of making the actual game better
>>342248013
I miss the slow pace. Shame current ffxi endgame bosses are magic chained down as fast as possible because it's the most effective method.
>>342245714
every server has like one LGBT linkshell
every guild on guild wars 2 is LGBT
>>342242229
I remember playing this at a friends house years ago. Couldn't get more than 20FPS on his desktop, menus were clunky as hell and hidden behind a dozen sub menus, and the combat was putting me to sleep just standing around.
i wish i could have played 1.0 more,i remember i got the special edition for 20 bucks on amazon,i enjoy ARR for what it is now but i wouldn't mind going back to see how it was before the big change too
>>342245787
holy shit I never knew it looked like that.
Anyone here from Cerberus who doesn't like players botting? If so then you might want to have an eye on Clara Norman.
She's a gatherer who doesn't appear to do anything else and always seems to be online 24/7. One of those gatherers who teleport to every map to get to the next spawning node, just more "hardcore". She sometimes comes back to a map to continue on the type of timed nodes she was working on previously. Always quick with teleporting and going to places.
Sure, that's no proof of them being a (part-time) bot, but I've noticed something. You know how gatherers go to regular nods to check them for maps or to respawn the timed one? Clara does that too, but sometimes teleport right after checking a regular node. Quite often actually, especially at nights where there aren't many on. To me it doesn't look like human behaviour but a bot following its orders. After all it's forced to teleport away to catch the next one in an entirely different map.
It's suspicious to me, but not enough to bother the GMs about it. She might be a tryhard after all. Still keeping an eye on "her".
>>that graphics
Not as good as ARRs, texture shaders and polycount on hands aside (lolAsses).
>>that map
Monotony at its finest, unless you really like 30 second tunneled walks between 'zones'.
>>that everything
Regular R0 and zones crashing sure were fun times.
It had 0 content at all.
Instead of fixing it, they decided that they could knock off the WoW formula and succeed.
And they were right. They were absolutely 100% right.
>>342249208
There's a 1.0 private server up right now you can play by yourself
>>342248521
I loved the slow pace. Where you got 1-2 levels in a day, had to stop and farm for gear and do quests in order to progress. You were pretty much required to make friends in order to progress through the storyline, do limit breaks, artifact quests. When i finally got to 75 after like six months it felt like such an accomplishment. In comparison ARR you follow a bunch of exclamation marks on the map, queue with a bunch of random people you'll never see again, and hit endgame within a week. I miss FFXI
>>342249403
oh really? i thought someone was just in the process of making one
XIV 1.0 was actually pretty similar to XI.
Vanilla XI that is. People tend to forget that the game already had an expansion out when it released in the west. Before that all there was to do was grind exp and go beat the Shadow Lord.
>>342249403
Seventh Umbral has been down for two months.
>>342242229
wait they shut down 14?
>>342249246
I've noticed her too. I always run into her in the same place in the Sea of Clouds.
>>342249492
Probably the same project. It's playable right now but things are buggy and you can only play by yourself.
But it works enough that you can visit zones, fight a few monsters, and rewatch cutscenes.
>>342249590
or was it 14 and not ARR?
>>342249590
The original release which is called 4.0 due to it getting a 4.0 from gamepot was canned because it was so badly received and ran like absolute shit. They remade it to what XIV is now with a new engine and completely rehauled gameplay.
>>342249650
Quite annoying regardless of bot status, isn't she? Haven't met any other gatherer that obnoxious.
The last time I saw someone as bad was Kamiche Pomiche. A bot in their own FC who was spiritbonding a lot.
>>342249751
making arr arguably better
>>342242618
Sweet.
Fx
Meanwhile 1.xx looks like that without trying at all.
>>342249472
FFXI was a game built for NEETs while ARR is a game built for casuals
>>342249253
H-Hayai!
>>342249983
I just find it kind of creepy how she's always there. and when I switch to gathering some place I don't usually go to, she just shows up out of nowhere. You can run, but you'll never escape her.
>>342249570
You can build your own server now.
http://ffxivclassic.fragmenterworks.com/
>>342249570
The dev hasn't updated in forever.
>>342249983
Leave botters alone. They're making the most of their time in this barely living game.
>>342249997
Overall ARR is a better game. They had to sacrifice some identity to make it resonate with the MMO community but it is a much more polished game now. I would have preferred a game more like XI but original XIV was a train wreck. MAYBE people who had the patience to stick with it as they tried to fix it were rewarded with a decent game but it was too little, too late and the damage was done. Perhaps if it launched with the content and tweaks it had when the end of world event happened then maybe it would still be around today. ARR has serviced fans and new players well enough though and is very profitable for SE. It is not the most novel or original of MMOs but I enjoyed the time I played it (everything before xpac).
>>342250251
What if she is neither player nor bot, butour regrets of playing XIV personified?
>>342242229
The most unpolished AAA game I have ever played. It's amazing that this made it past quality control.
>>342250251
Try to send her lewd whispers.
>>342250071
What sweetfx settings make the game look like that? I'm using https://sfx.thelazy.net/games/preset/1113/ and while I notice the hit my GPU takes when it's active I honestly don't notice anything different other than the game looking not as bright
>>342250346
>barely living game
???
>>342250145
i know it was, I dropped out of school and became a NEET for a year playing that shit
>>342249472
>and hit endgame within a week
I have played the game for almost 200 hours and am just now getting to HW
how the fuck do you people even do this, this has to be a meme
Good thing I didn't play this pile of shit. Sticking with Tera desu senpai
>>342250335
And it's still barely anything. Perhaps in another year.
>>342250898
You being ironic, pal?
>>342250840
i was referring to the launch of ARR where you basically hit 50 and there was no endgame content other than like doing primals or getting raped in the first stage of coil.
>>342251113
At least it's open source now and everyone can contribute to improve itincluding youand me.
Remember when the servers would crash multiple times a day?
Remember when people were using autohotkey programs to play the game for them while they AFK?
Remember when it took 2 minutes just to sell 1 item to a NPC?
Remember when Square Enix had to publically apologize to everyone who bought the game and suspend the subscription fees?
Remember when the director had to resign out of shame and remaking FFXIV caused FFXV to be delayed for more years and also caused the Lightning games to be made by B-teams?
Good times.
>>342242229
>2.5 GCD
>>342251220
Dude, that was the fucking best time I had playing ARR. I plowed through to 50 and grouped with a bunch of people getting gear and doing primals for our relic weps. That is how I even met my first raid group. We all geared together and hit the coil. It was a time where no one knew jack shit about the encounters before T5 was even beaten yet and everyone was learning how to optimize their class and gear. Shit like that is the BEST time to play any MMO. You never recapture that magic of unknown territory, of forging bonds between strangers, of learning to work together to achieve a goal.
>>342251337
So almost exactly like it is now, ok.
>>342251252
Hard to contribute to an MMO with nary any recorded logs, for an MMO highly reliant on the server telling the client what to do.
4.0 is highly likely to drop ps3 support
It was all presentation and no substance. The gameplay was absolutely fucking atrocious and even dedicated gaming PCs struggled to run it because Crystal Tools is an absolutely awful engine.
>>342251927
It's basically confirmed at this point that 4.0 won't support PS3. Heavensward is already unplayable on PS3 with the amount of lag you get and player models failing to appear in the new PVP maps.
the good FF MMO is still waiting for you.
every single expansion comes with a waifu who now joins your party and EXPs for you.
>you share a board with FFXIV 1.0 apologists
>>342244137
>confirmed for not playing the game to its fullest
You could chain together attacks easily. Which would cause extra debuffs on monsters or knock off a body part of theirs. Fighting skeletons with 2 warriors or monks, you could knock the skull off the skeleton cutting off its frontal cone attack for the rest of the fight. It would also drop bonus loot like the Skull Eyepatch + 1, +2, or +3.
>>342245708
Why is everybody American?
>>342242229
Said nobody who actually played XIV. There's a reason everyone hated it.
>there are people who still want playable furry races
>>342252261
Yoshida also said that the dev team want to do things like grand scale dynamic fates and unique battle content in the new expansion, but they can't do it without raising the minimum system requirements or droppin PS3.
>>342252327
Can confirm. When I quit the XIV back in November I picked up XI and all the expansions for $10. Played through the entire story solo with trusts and had a fantastic time. Helps that the average age of the user base is 25-35, everyone I met was great. Asura is still pretty populated, too, I wasn't expecting that.
>>342252495
You also share a board with literal school children. A lot of them. 1.0 fags are fine in my book.
>>342242618
jesus fuckin christ not even 5 posts in and some sissy faggot starts posting their waifu
>>342252859
Asura is a Reddit server
>>342248713
>doing moogle beast tribe quests
>someone is advertising a LGBT linkshell in /shout
>ask him what happened to QIA
>he is confused at first
>tell him that it's LGBTQIA now
>other people start responding
>he says that as a gay person he thinks that trans and the other letters don't belong in the acronym
>queue pops and I get the hell out of there before everybody starts to get mad
What a faggot
>>342242618
How you doin?
>>342250840
If you're just starting out XIV today, there's a shit load of things to do and catch up on. The typical players I noticed in Novice Network don't even reach the expansion until hundreds of hours later.
unless you're one of those people who skip every cutscene, rushes through dialogue, tries to powerlevel as fast as possible, and doesn't bother with anything else other than the main story in the game.
>>342242229
Because there was nothing in the game. The forgot to make the game and they forgot to make a point to the game.
They actually brought it to a point to where it was looking like it was going to be the next FFXI that everyone was hoping for but then they blew that all up with a meteor. Now it's WoW and that's all there is to it. Damn shame about that. The game design was much, MUCH better.
>>342253989
The game design was much worse. Everything was a clusterfuck.
You meant to say that the combat system was better but even then that's subjective since many people argue that the client ruined the potential of the combat system.
>>342253165
>Blaming it on not paying attention to the market
They didn't put shit in the game originally. It had no planning and there was fuck all to do. Not only that, they put a limit on daily leveling, the retards.
>>342254284
t. memer who never played it
>>342253989
and yet you're still playing, while literally everyone else quit. enjoy your balmung ERP
>>342253168
That so? It's also the only server with any population whatsoever so I didn't have much of a choice. Joined the /ffvg/ linkshell and they were helpful guys. No memes or nothing.
>mages 2 handing their staves
>asses
Only things I want in ARR.
>>342254651
I quit shortly after hitting 50 in the official ARR launch. This was only a couple weeks in. Have not looked back since.
>>342242229
The original 14 was pure dogshit
>>342253168
You mean Asura is the ONLY server. The rest may as well not even exist with their population count. Game needs to merge down to four servers badly, but then the BCNM congestion issue would actually require the devs to fix the bloody thing to support proper instancing.
Why is this allowed
>>342256390
PS3 limitations.
3.0 was a mistake and the zones are the fucking worst, I'd rather more memorable 2.0 zones.
>>342249224
Yea.
>>342254407
Except I did play it, I gave the game a try during patch 1.23 which was also ironically the last and most up "optimized" patch and it was still a clusterfuck.
>>342251337
I remember when opening other programs while XIV was running would crash XIV.
it wasnt a complete wow clone
so they shut it down
and relaunched as a 100% wow rip off
and plebs ate it up and praised it
so now all we have are the most boring generic themepark grinds possible
>>342256887
I'd rather take a polished WoW clone than a unpolished FFXI ripoff
>>342256691
>no vagina
>no butthole
Console limitations everybody. Thanks PS3.
>>342256691
is that ada and sayora in the middle and right?
>>342242229
That looks ugly.
>>342257036
>>342257116
But there is a vagina lol it's a shit nude mode though.
Who gives a shit about shitposters.
Full images:
http://imgur.com/a/XBc2f
>>342257072
>all ffxiv ero is western filth
Even XIII had more doujin.
>>342253989
>The game design was much, MUCH better.
Fuck off you never played 1.0 it's entire design philosophy was bad. Yes 2.0 is fucking trash and can never ever live up to XI but it's current design shits all over 1.0.
Just a reminder that FFXIV is literally the only MMO today besides FF11 that requires a subscription fee.
>>342257380
It was called the emerald labyrinth for a reason :^)
>>342257216
I wonder how much money the modder has made
>>342257634
They called it that as a excuse to cover up their bad level design
>>342257216
>people payed $5 to use this mod
>>342242229
Nice try.
FF14 launch was abysmal. Healers couldn't receive exp unless they damaged the monster. That face when all my friends started outleveling me
>>342257634
Fuck you
>>342242229
The head producer at the time (Tanaka) felt slighted about having to maked XIV rather than XI-2 or an improvement to XI. He stayed in his room reading manga instead of making a game. Yoshi Piss comes into the picture, lies to all of the loyal fans still playing XIV and makes a shitty WoW clone.
>>342257852
This is a good thing healers are suppose to dps as well. It just weeds out the lazy healer
>>342257216
shit, i haven't played since the free barbie nude mod
>>342258169
Barbie is still free but you have to pay real money for the nudes. Wonder if anon's reupload of that mod is still around
>>342242229
I fucking love when the FFXI/1.0 hipsters show up and try and convince people how great the game was.
Either your a shitposter or you didnt play it. It was fucking horrible, and everyone fucking agreed. Thats why there was no fucking sub for over a year, thats why they fired the ENTIRE FUCKING TEAM, why they remade the entire game in a different engine and thats why business is booming for em.
If people liked it, if it was good, then it wouldn't have tanked
>>342242618
and people wonder why no one wants to post on /xivg/
1.0 private servers when
>>342258301
>business is booming for em
Nope. Also it tanked because it alpha version of a game, not because it was necessarily bad.
>>342258028
didn't a lot of the development of 1.0 get outsourced to a shit chinese developer?
>>342258451
HAHHAHAHAHA
>>342258515
No, a lot of the members of the animation / 3D team had very chinese-looking / sounding names which started a rumor that they outsourced.
>>342258403
No one wants to post there because you have "chemotherapists" spamming the whole place up.
>>342258105
Healers aren't supposed to dps you faggot. They are supposed to heal. If you can't beat DPS checks without healer DPS then your DPS players suck major ass.
>>342258453
Considering how many retards spend money on their shitty cash shop I'd say buisiness is probably in fact booming. I know people who Fantasia weekly.
>>342258802
Nope.
>>342258403
I've never seen an mmo general that doesn't turn to absolute cancer within a month.
>>342242229
spent hundreds of millions of dollars on mo-cap
>>342258453
If business wasn't booming, they wouldn't be expanding the game globally like they are right now.
>>342258453
I dont know why you dont think the games doing good, because it obviously is.
And Ive been there since beta of 1.0. It was always bad. Sure, they fixed some stuff, but it wasnt just optimization issues (although those were huge and most never got touched). The entire design of the game was wrong, from 95% of the world being hallways with window dressing to the XP limit, combat and questing system.
It was a fucking mess.
>>342258924
>game bombs in Japan/US
>China laps it up
Hmmm
>>342258726
>Healers aren't supposed to dps you faggot.
>"I never used Scholar in any FF game with job switching"
>>342258761
Yes we fucking are. I am a whm main and I still dps because 1 it makes the run faster and 2 I am not standing around doing nothing. If a healer doesn't dps then they are lazy and don't deserve anything as all they are doing is sitting still and casting a heal when the tank takes a single auto attack. Fuck you and fuck people perpetuating that healers shouldn't dps meme.
>>342258965
It was an alpha version of a game and it's still shit / unsuccessful in Japan / US.
>>342259000
>>game bombs in Japan/US
the fuck are you going on about? games doing fine.
>>342259064
It kind of sucks when you get a no dps allowed healer in DF. It takes noticeably longer for sure.
>>342259107
Nah.
>>342259000
I'm pretty sure it only really bombed in Korea.
>>342258301
>your
You sound like a child, even if your opinion is valid. Work on that.
I stopped playing like 3 months after release and I never got back into it again. I miss my catgirl.
MMOs haven't been the same since they gutted FFXI, though.
>>342259183
oh okay guess its bombing then
??
>>342258917
and yet the animations outside of cutscenes were garbage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW5DnpidMiY
>>342259183
And what makes you think its dead.
>>342259287
Gutted FFXI is still a lot better than most modern MMOs though.
>>342259330
Now you understand.
>>342259064
Spotted the autistic healer. Your petty DPS contributes nothing. If I see you DPSing in my group, I'm going to kick you for not doing your job correctly. I'll maybe even report you for griefing.
>>342258761
>Healers aren't supposed to dps you faggot.
Someone never did savage content
>>342242229
I really have some kind of a love-hate to FFXIV ARR. I really fucking despite the majority of the FFXIV community. Never in my life did I see so many autistic, mentally ill retards in one game. Its like EVERYTHING people make fun of gathers in FFXIV. Virgins, autists, faggots, attention whores, greasy neckbeards, waifufags and other scum people instantly think about if you just say "videogames and anime". Heck, the FFXIV general might be the worst general in the entirety of /vg/, not even the tera or Vita general comes near.
On the other hand its pretty much the best MMO to date, I really like the story (especially 3.0), the characters in it (Estinien is easily one of the best dragoon characters of the franchise) and most of the boss fights are fucking great. It definitely has plenty of flaws, but they dont really matter as the good points outweight them. To me at least. All I really want would be more armor bonuses like passive skills instead of just a few numbers on it. Make it FFX style where you have 4 slots on a weapon where you can slap in some skills or something.
>>342258848
Excellent rebuttal m8
>>342259356
I'd reply but you posted Russo, so...
>>342259521
All the evidence points to it being a flop. Shit sales, low sub numbers, worst retention rate in recent memory..
>>342259523
Look. Im on cornettes side as much as anyone who knows vince is, but you cant deny his faces are so god damn good for reaction images.You also dont have any real backing that its dead/dying because its not and your just using the worst thing to ever happen to wrestling as an excuse
>>342259486
I'd love it if they release unique equipment that would change up skills or give you passive skills, but it wouldn't work well unless they release an item to make said equipment relevant in the next patch as far as ilvl.
>>342259763
Posting Russo just makes me want to take a shit.
Also they never release sub numbers, and all their sales numbers are bad. It's dead, Jim.
>>342259642
If it really was a flop, why are they making expansions? Why haven't they gone F2P yet like every other MMO ? Why haven't they shut down or merged servers yet? Why are they still pumping millions of dollars into advertising, conventions, and promotional deals? Why spend so much time and money on a product that "flopped"?
>inb4 hurr cuz companies are dumb I know better than some retarded business japs
>>342259642
Kek it has more subscribers than WoW currently, WoW's subs have tanked so hard after WoD they don't even report them anymore. Top fucking kek, the last time they reported them it was in the 2 million range, fucking pathetic man. Just get over it, FF took over the mmo market, it does WoW but better with more content, frequent updates, great gil sinks and ways to waste your time, you have casinos, choco races, card games, crafting that isn't a iphone app, and people actually communicate in game. In WoW you are literally sitting in your garrison twiddling your thumbs because arena is fucking broken and theres only 2 raids to do that you had to put up with for a year. Get blown the fuck out.
>>342259362
it's such a chore to play though. I think i about restarting every once in a while but then i remember i'd have to rewrite all my macros and gearswaps, i'm just not autistic enough for that shit anymore.
>>342252790
anyone have a full video/album of this slideshow, I want to see them talk about 1.0
>>342259064
>falling for obvious bait.
>>342259178
Yeah it really does cut off five or so minutes from a run which is great. I normally go heals just to dps but sometimes I just get the shit dps who can't do damage and I just wish I went in on my blm instead.
>>342259446
>Your petty DPS contributes nothing
Makes a df run five minutes faster. As most df runs take 25 minutes without a healer dpsing that pretty much makes a run go 20% faster.
Not to mention healer dps actually does matter for savage content friend. Maybe one day you'll get to a8s.
>If I see you DPSing in my group, I'm going to kick you for not doing your job correctly. I'll maybe even report you for griefing.
Sounds like you're the one with autism friend
>>342260009
>If it really was a flop, why are they making expansions?
Because people are dumb enough to buy them. It's probably where most of their money comes from when talking about ARR. Very few people stay subbed, because it's shit.
>Why haven't they gone F2P yet like every other MMO?
Because they'd have to make ways to make money in-game, outside of cosmetics. And they're too lazy and shit at game design to do that effectively.
>Why haven't they shut down or merged servers yet?
Because it's cross-realm. No need to merge cross-realm servers.
>Why are they still pumping millions of dollars into advertising, conventions, and promotional deals?
They're not. Most squeenix promotions cross-promote everything, so it's like one big circle jerk to make XIV look successful when it isn't.
>Why spend so much time and money on a product that "flopped"?
To save face.
>>342260076
>Kek it has more subscribers than WoW currently
lol no it doesn't. XIV, XI and DQX combined have less than 1 million subs. WoW has over 5 million.
>>342260198
People actually believe this
This thread confirms that /v/ is contrarian for the sake of being contrarian.
>>342259936
Who cares if they never release sub numbers.
ALmost every server has a higher pop. They still have character creation restrictions BECAUSE of how many people are constantly in it.
I never seem to not see anyone, and even with that in mind the cities are still overflowing. Square constantly says its a big earner for them in their investment calls, we get huge patches (with more content than any MMO has ever seen via a patch per patch) and still have expansions planned.
The problem is WoW pretended to have so many subs for so long that people began to think you need WoW numbers to survive, but the reality is you dont. You can survive on around 1m subs perfectly fine.And im pretty sure it has more subs than that worldwide.yoshi P was smart with the money given to him and used the budget the games income generated for his team wisely.
If anything, it shows how much better FF is than most MMO publishers/devs
>>342260531
>Very few people stay subbed, because it's shit.
No proof. Not only do you have 0 proof, but you dont know their target number.
>Because they'd have to make ways to make money in-game, outside of cosmetics. And they're too lazy and shit at game design to do that effectively.
No game dev is to lazy to do things that will generate them tons of cash. Especially the money hungry jews at square. Right now its better as a paid sub service.
>Because it's cross-realm. No need to merge cross-realm servers.
only partially true. And everywhere I go, I see tons of people, and the cross realm shit only counts after X amount of time spent searching for dungeons. So no, the pop isnt low.
>Most squeenix promotions cross-promote everything, so it's like one big circle jerk
Thats called smart marketing.
>To save face.
No one saves face at the cost of running a dead MMO. Double that of one who keeps updating with the large amount of content we get
>>342258761
>>342257852
Then why were CNJs given three Elemental nukes at lvl1?
>>342260531
...FFXV-kun?
>>342261095
>The problem is WoW pretended to have so many subs
Yeah, like XIV never pretended to have subscribers or something. toppest kek
>No proof
They never post sub numbers.
>no one is too lazy to make money
Actually they are. Not only are they lazy but they're bad.
>>342261220
We're talking about A Turd Reborn you twit.
>>342261402
FFXV-kun, shut the fuck up.
>>342258761
>Healers aren't supposed to dps
>Have damage spells
HMMMMM
>>342260531
>5 million subs
>when their subs tanked in WoD and kept going down until it hit 2 million then they don't report them anymore because of this
>pulling shit out of his ass
Holy shit man don't get so upset that XIV is beating WoW, it's the better mmo.
>>342242229
The issue wasn't that they shut it down, the issue is that when they brought it back they made sure to scrub any trace of 1.0 from the game and made it into a WoW clone.
>>342261701
http://www.polygon.com/2015/1/2/7480177/square-enix-final-fantasy-14-final-fantasy-11-dragon-quest-10-subscribers
What where some differences from current ffxiv?
>>342258515
>basic healing class tells the player to that you have to do other things then just heal
>people at max level who only heal
every time
>>342261818
Most of the stuff legacy players complained about went totally unchanged. All they did was make it a WoW clone for homosexuals.
>>342261402
Lets say I have 2m subs and 5m accounts and I say I have 5m adventurers. Thats not really a stretch, its just fibbing.
But in the case of WoW, they had less than 8m subs, and those subs where counting trial accounts, every single chineese player that month, despite them having to pay per hour (so if I paid 1 hour, they pretend im a full subber) and had been caught lying about said numbers before.
One says they have X accounts and makes it sound like its subs, the other just lies about the sub count by millions.
>>342259064
>I am a whm main
White mages LITERALLY did not exist in the time frame he is talking about
>>342261810
>linking polygon
hows your wifes black son
>>342261950
XIV has less than 1 million. WoW has around 5 million. Facts are facts boi.
>>342262126
>WoW has around 5 million.
Sure it does.
>>342262217
Alright maybe it doesn't. They both don't have subs. They're both shit. Glad we agree.
>>342261818
>>342243247 is a pretty decent list about what it was like.
The game had to be rebuilt because stuff like the server-side UI wasn't going to be fixed without that. It's a shame they took out any decent ideas like cross class abilities meaning something, having open world content, the old combat system, etc.
A lot of people feel slighted because when Yoshi took over there was nothing to indicate that the game would be changed as radically as it was. The early concept render and alpha screenshots were still using the old combat system, so everyone just assumed the game would be like 1.23b without massive input lag.
>>342262578
From what I've seen of 1.0 the thing I think I'd have liked the most was being able to start as a crafter/gatherer and just kinda live my life as that instead of having to be DA WARRIOR OF LIGHT and shit.
>>342262578
>so everyone just assumed the game would be like 1.23b without massive input lag.
https://youtu.be/Wbaqy_rUxys
>>342261810
Dude learn english shitskin, it's referencing FF11 not DQ 10 and XIV along with it, DQ isn't even an mmo you fucking mongoloid. Jesus blizzdrones are so fucking stupid it's hilarious. Kill yourself.
>>342262858
It was nothing like that. Crafting was just a huge grind, just like now. It was more rewarding in 1.0 though.
>>342262908
>it's referencing FF11 not DQ 10 and XIV along with it
Wrong. I can sense your butthurt though.
>>342262893
>have shit net
>blame the game
>>342242229
>Miqo'te had fabulous butts
>a flower pot had just as many polygons as a player character
>animations were seameless and completely immersive
>no loading screens for every single thing you did
>actual functioning fucking elevators
>custom belt armor fully customizable
>music by based Uematsu that got completely removed
ARR was a mistake
>>342263083
>play shit game
>blame net
>>342263067
Reread the sentence again, and then get educated, FF11 is the one that it's referencing.
>and Final Fantasy 11, which has entered its thirteenth year of operation-maintain nearly 1,000,000 paying subscribers all together
FFXIV has 4mill subscribers, not only are you completely wrong and a blizzdrone, you can't even correctly attain information from a paragraph. Youre fucking stupid.
>>342263283
"Square Enix's efforts in the massively multiplayer arena are pulling in just under one million paying subscribers in total, across three of its MMO offerings: Final Fantasy 14: A Realm Reborn, Final Fantasy 11 and Dragon Quest 10."
>>342262893
Not what I mean by input lag. Imagine if your bags opened like 2 and a half seconds after you hit the button. That's an issue with how often the server updated the player's position. Before 2.1 (or 2.2, I don't remember), it only updated every 300ms. Couple that with lag and you get fun times.
>>342263283
It's actually hard to tell if English isn't your first language or if you're just baiting. If it's the latter, good job.
>>342242414
>>342242414
>>342249115
>>342249115
EXTREMELY wrong ITT
>>342263456
The lag is still really bad though.
>>342243247
^This.
We're talking PS2 here and on that console, this game was 100% shit... EQOA had already been out and was better in almost every single way.
>>342242229
Yes, the art, the design, and the aesthetics were quite fine.
But it didn't even have fucking hardware mouse. Seriously. Everything was software mouse in order to communicate with the server. Not to mention the fatigue system was fucking stupid.
It could have been FFXI 2.0, but they cheaped out by using Crystal Tools for a fucking MMO.
Just another thing FF13 ruined.
>>342243247
But I played it from start to its literal becoming of the shit that is ARR, and this is all fucking bullshit? kys
>>342245212
>I play MMOs for the immersive combat!
faggots like you ruined the MMO genre.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67-WkFw6iKs
>>342263560
>We're talking PS2 here and on that console,
what the fuck are you talking about, retard?
>>342263283
you are fucking retarded if you think FFXI has1,000,000 suscribers, outside of Asura at peak hours most servers have 300-500 players. The total subscribers is probably less than 50,000.
>>342245708
>Americans
>Japanese game
Just stop posting.
>>342244410
>combat
>visually unappealing
is this a fucking joke? I can understand slow being a complaint but are you fucking kidding me?
>square enix account
>lodestone account
>some other bullshit account
whoever designs their online shit deserves to be fired holy fuck
>>342245619
Do other races retain their ass or is everyone a flat board now?
>>342263848
They already were, don't worry.
>>342244401
>>342244005
You guys do know that IP is images posted and not individual posters, right?
>>342263897
then when will they unfuck their website I can't even buy this shitty game and waste a week on it when I have to log in every 2 minutes
>>342263848
that was actually an improvement over the playlonline clusterfuck they used for FFXI
>>342251337
>remaking FFXIV caused FFXV to be delayed for more years and also caused the Lightning games to be made by B-teams?
epic meme my friend
epic meme indeed
>>342264301
They fired the dude who made it, so...
>>342264319
POL was pretty simple in comparison. It just took forever to download shit back then.
>>342242229
Honestly I like the font the most out of everything.
I wish ARR had that font.
>>342263591
Let's go through it together, it'll be fun!
>Worse lighting engine
Character lighting was arguable better but there was pretty much ZERO environmental lighting. Only 'actors' (characters, monsters, crystals, the small houses in outposts) cast shadows Objects like tables just had small circular shadows. Check out the table in pic related
>Server sided UI
True.
>Game punished you for playing too much even though you're paying a monthly sub fee
True, but it wasn't as severe as most people make it out to be
>World servers went down multiple times a day
I don't remember how stable the servers were desu
>Game engine was not built for a MMO (uses the same engine as FF13) it was so horribly unoptimized that a i5 2500k and Fermi GPU couldn't get a solid 45FPS and those were considered to be top of the line PC hardware at the time
Eh, DQX seems to do fine with Crystal Engine. He is correct that it ran like shit because SE decided they had to be le grafix king
>Software mouse cursor only which had input lag
Correct
>Keyboard+Mouse support was an afterthought
Probably true but this is just assuming that because support was bad it was an afterthought
>Literal copypasted terrain and parts of areas to make the world seem big
True
>Changing classes required extensive macros and waiting to equip each piece of gear individually
True
>Parts of the game still wasn't even translated, some crafting tooltips were still in Japanese
True. This still happens occasionally in ARR, even.
>>342263570
Like XI, the mouse was pretty fucking useless in XIV. Better off learning how to work around the game using strictly keyboard inputs.
>>342263663
You spend 90% of your time in an mmo either in combat or running to combat. Why shouldn't it be interesting?
>>342264363
It's true though. XIV literally killed square
>>342246725
Because people who like to turn it into a race ruin it for everyone else. People who say things like:
>the game doesn't start until max level
>but you'll never catch up on gear
>irrelevant content
It goes both ways too: people want things slowed down for everyone else so that they can feel like they are "winning" the race:
>fast travel makes it too easy... of course I use it too, why wouldn't I use it if the option is there?
>everyone just grinds the fastest dungeon, it's so boring... well, I feel dungeon grinding is a huge chore so I do that too but I wish we would be forced to do other things
To everyone who turned FFXIV into a ratrace: consider buying a rope and a stool.
>>342264465
>You spend 90% of your time in an mmo either in combat or running to combat.
I bet you are 20 years old as well.
>>342245879
>GUYS MAKE SURE TO HIT YOUR GCD COMBOS RIGHT AND MOVE OUT OF THE RED CIRCLE
Wow, it's really like theres a fucking difference between the garbage you have now and standing still in combat
>>342264415
>Eh, DQX seems to do fine with Crystal Engine. He is correct that it ran like shit because SE decided they had to be le grafix king
DQX has FFXI fidelity of visuals at any rate.
Even my current PC can't run a perfect 60fps @ 1080p with the model display limit reached in XIV's server emulator. It's like the game wasn't multi-threaded for loading shit so it stutters like a mofo instead any time it fetches something.
>>342264536
27. But that's how I play mmos. That's how I played ff11, just replace running to combat with looking for a group to grind with.
Crafting isn't my thing, and I'm not interested in hanging out in an inn roleplaying.
>>342264505
XIV actually SAVED square, they were literally dying thanks to poor sales of lighting's bullshit trilogy and tons of money squandered on that piece of shit versus 13 that became the abomination that is 15.
Yoshi took a failed side project and rebuilt it from scratch becoming a massive success that was 90% funded by PC fags that saved square enix single handedly with their support, immediately after they announced final fantasy 13 on PC since they were so grateful and now they support the PC platform fully to a degree that final fantasy 15 definitive edition will be released on PC with directx 12 support.
>>342264527
>>the game doesn't start until max level
Didn't Yoshi -literally- say this?
>>342264646
To be fair, it is a Wii game.
>>342264715
>XIV actually SAVED square
Nope.
>poor sales
XIV had poor sales.
>Yoshi made a massive success
Nope.
>>342264679
>But that's how I play mmos
Key point there, "I", YOU. You are not everyone, You are not why MMOs were built, You are not the target audience and never will.
Yesterday it was about building communities and making a giant open world feel alive thanks to the connection between players that made it alive, today it's about making a theme park for people to have a ride in, a marvelous spectacle for a fee.
Don't act like walking outside of giant circle is any more intesive than standing on one place and building effective macros, ARR is babby mode difficulty and that's widely accepted and known already, if you cared about combat you would play vindictus or tera.
>>342264841
>N-no!
nice arguments fag
>>342265075
>game bombs
>delays XV and KH
>saves square
Doesn't work that way dummy.
>>342264841
Not an argument
>>342265258
There's no evidence that it has a good number of subs and its sales are abysmal.
>>342264537
it at least requires player interaction now, jobs like mnk are actually kind of fun since it has positional attacks that you have to bob and weave around in the aoes to do. in 1.0 you could literally just set up macros and then go make a sandwich or take a shit for 20 minutes and come back when the fight was over
>>342265075
I don't recall saying anything about what mmos I do or do not play. I just said if you're going to spend a lot of time in combat the combat should be good.
I also don't really think you get to decide what mmos should or should not be. If all of the sandbox mmos fail and anything that can be called successful in the genre has been themepark, then maybe that's just what people like.
I've played mmos since DAOC and it was never about the stuff you seem to care about for me. It was just about killing stuff and getting gear. I might join a guild but I wasn't wanking over the sense of community.
I will say ARR has more interesting combat than what I've seen of 1.0 but that's not saying much.
>>342265480
ARR's combat isn't bad. It's still a shit unsuccessful WoW clone though.
I managed to navigate through that clusterfuck Square calls a website and now I'm downloading with a whopping 0.06MB/s
I already regret my purchase
>>342265623
Why the fuck would you buy FFXIV in it's current state? You really should have waited for 4.0
>>342265623
>everyone tells you it's shit
>you buy it anyway
Every time.
>>342260346
Is this some weird fucked up chart or have I not played in a long fucking time? I quit after A1S and tanks were not doing 700 DPS, at least not pallies and melee were doing over 1200 DPS.
>male roe is the only race with its own battle stances
Gas the gays
>>342256390
HOL UP
U TELLIN ME
*SMACKS LIPS*
ARMOR USED TO COVER TAILS?
SSSHHHIIEEETTT
>>342265762
i have 3 weeks off and nothing better to do with my time and it's on sale so cheaper than a month of wow where I wouldn't have anything to do aswell
waiting for 4.0 would've done nothing for me either way
>>342265885
like i give a shit what you faggots tell me
>>342266058
Why are you surprised that it's shit when we told you it's shit?
>>342265893
This is the chart for the savage practice mode dummies with the minimal dps to clear them.
Also the power creep in the current 240 gear is pretty high. A good mnk can easily hit 2k damage when before current gear they did like 1600
>>342265598
I don't follow sub numbers or anything, but I thought it was doing alright for itself. Every time I go back I usually have a pretty good time, MMOs are a sometimes treat for me though, I sub for a couple months at a time then get burned out.
Either way, I think the combat now is better than the combat was then. Hell I think FF11 combat was better than what I've seen of 1.0.
>>342266086
>Why are you surprised that it's shit
Read my post you dumb faggot I was complaining about the download speed being slow as shit holy fuck
>>342265952
Lalafells get their own unique scholar and summoner battle stances
>>342242229
You're full of shit. I suffered through that game since launch and while ARR isn't great it's far better than the game was prior to the reboot. XIV vanilla sucked and even with the updates it never approached being anything decent. It was shit until the very end.
>>342266217
>Every time I go back
Here's the problem. Nobody stays subbed. That's how you know it's shit. If you enjoyed it you'd stay subbed. But you don't.
Now consider how many other players (all of them) do the exact same thing.
Dead game.
And yeah XI's combat was better. Still, ARR's combat isn't bad.
>>342266058
did you at least play the free trial before you decided to buy it?
>>342266229
We all told you it was shit though.
>>342266389
Is it? That's how I've always been with mmos. There are too many other good games out there to dedicate yourself entirely to what is generally a mediocre game propped up by socialization.
Play for a month or two, maybe get caught up, then go play other stuff. That's how I've been with nearly every mmo I've ever played.
I guess I played Vanilla WoW and FF11 for quite a while, but I think that's more just because it took fucking forever to get anything done, and I was a kid with a ton of time on my hands.
Did they change the way mana management and consumption works for Scholars?
It was literally never a problem before, I could spam my most expensive spells all day every day and not even break the halfway point
Now I'm approaching empty often and having to time my Aetherflows and Life Drains
>>342266120
I have no idea what savage practice mode dummies means but in the ass gear I got from welfare purps or whatever and EX Ravana weps, I tanked AS1 and did maybe 400 DPS as a pally and I was literally doing nothing but DPS combos the entire time. As a drg in similar gear, I did roughly 1100. How the fuck was a fresh pally without gear from savage supposed to do 700?
>Getting critical directx failiures exclusively in this game that make me have to reboot my computer
>Can't find any soultions on google
>Anon yesterday tells me to revert to an older driver
>Try five different drivers untill i find one that seems stable
>Play for 3 hours today
>Same error happens right when i'm fighting Caliofisteri in the Weeping City
I think i'll just give up untill the next driver comes out i guess.
>>342254407
>botanists stunlocking ifrit by throwing rocks
Ah yes friend! It was truely an amazing game,
>>342266686
Nah, if you liked the game you'd stay subbed. There may not be enough content or whatever else but if you were enjoying it you wouldn't unsub.
And what other good games? I never see anything that appeals to me.
>>342266739
i dont play sch but maybe because they changed how lustrate works so you have to use more healing spells now?
only real thing i could think of as a tank
>>342265952
Eat shit cat fags
I'm convinced all of this thread is two people.
>>342267092
Everyone knows that 4chan is 3 people. Me, you, and that other guy.
>>342266892
Monhun gen comes out next month, that'll be good for a hundred hours at least. Salt and Sanctuary is what I'm playing now and I'm enjoying it. I enjoyed Bloodborne thoroughly, I go back and replay DMC1/3/4 from time to time. Stranger in Sword City was pretty neat. I'm likely going to go back and put some more hours into Dragon's Crown.
If you can't find something you enjoy you either have very narrow taste or you're not looking very hard. Why would I stay subbed to a game just for the sake of it? 15 bucks a month isn't brutal but it adds up, I'd rather get in, get my fun and then get out.
>>342267303
>Stranger in Sword City
Pretty good game. Kinda bored of turn based stuff though.
>I'd rather get in, get my fun and then get out.
Again, if you really enjoyed it you'd stay subbed. Content in a shitty game is just shitty content.
>>342267173
Ya, you right.
>>342242229
Those bland-as-fuck environments
>>342267542
Ul'dah is basically unchanged d00d.
>>342267542
>Shadows? What are those?
>>342267510
Why would I do that? Just to log in do my dailies and shoot the shit with some guildmates? Nah. Call me weird if you want but I don't really make long term friends over the internet, a friendship doesn't really feel worth putting effort into if I'm never going to meet them in person.
>>342267715
>Why would I do that
In ARR? You wouldn't. Because it's shit. In XI there was always a reason to stay subbed. Same with GE and V.WoW and EQ and others. If you don't find it fun enough to stay subbed then you clearly don't find the game that fun at all.
>>342265336
Heavensward sold enough to justify a multi million dollar development budget for another expansion and legacy servers are still full 24/7 to the point where you can't create characters on them.
It's safe to assume that the game is doing well. Otherwise it would be like Wildstar now where they went from having multiple servers and a sub fee to F2P and two servers only.
>>342260082
>Galka
Why can't Roes be manly like them?
>>342267950
Heavenswards sales were even worse than ARR's.
>>342268091
Because for some reason they decided to make all the races worse than their XI equivalent
>>342268124
>expansion aimed for endgame people sells worse than base game
woah
>>342266778
>400DPS
>A1S
http://www.fflogs.com/rankings/7#boss=18&class=Global&spec=Paladin
1800 PLD have done better damage than that. And yes, that has been locked since the end of 3.1, so it's all i210 max. Shit son.
>>342268297
>ARR's sales are bad
>Heavensward's is worse
What's difficult to understand here?
>>342268364
Got proof ARR sold bad?
>>342242229
To appeal to the WoW audience and babbies who need their hand held in a fucking MMO.
The same people who couldn't handle FFXI.
Why does every MMO thread devolve into people shitflinging over sales?
>>342268224
i think elezens are an improvement over giraffes. Elvaans were just so awkward looking.
>>342268443
People can't handle that XIV now is successful so they shitpost without any proof
>tfw changed my au ra to a femroe recently
Best decision ever.
>>342268443
fanboys from different fanbases shit posting
but that's /v/ in general
>>342268434
It was ranked 32 in Japan which is laughable.
>It's a mt and ot in tank stance turning the boss around and killing the dps episode
10/10 banter from Weeping city from people who don't understand directions or to not stand near tanks.
>>342268525
Nope Elezen still looks awkward as fuck when their necks aren't covered.
Plus the females have weirdly small heads.
>>342268091
WE NEED OUR TAILS BACK
>>342268224
I dunno... mithra were dangerously close to being full on furry. At least I can fap to miqote without feeling bad about it.
>>342268360
3.1 includes what, gear gotten from savage? I had 0 items from savage. One of my accessories was literally a blue and my ravana weapon was i190 so my ilvl was lower than 190 total. This was in like August of 2015 when all those logs are from 2016 or late 2015. Why the FUCK would "required" DPS for a fight need items you get FROM the fight and afterwards? We still beat the AS2 and I quit promptly afterwards anyway.
>>342259340
Better than the shitty animations we got now.
Hell all the cutscenes we have now are "character a looks at character b" "nods" "character b looks at character c" "smiles and nods"
Fucking boring ass shit.
>>342268737
Rank of what? Physical sales? Digital sales? Do they even count PSN or SE's digital store sales?
>>342268838
The proportions get better as you lower height for Elezen. Shame most go towards the top end of the slider so you have really lanky long neck fucks that loook out of place.
Also, most use the worst ears available.
>>342269191
Check out the wiki page. ARR was never #1 on any platform anywhere and heavensward was even worse.
>>342264715
>they were literally dying thanks to poor sales of lighting's bullshit trilogy
The trilogy was made BECAUSE of XIV you potato.
>>342243073
This
>>342269015
I bet you were a full vit PLD before 3.2 changed how tank damage scaling worked.
>>342268767
>running mhach
>Calofisteri
>two """mentor""fags fighting over mt, one of them is in my alliance
>my tank steals aggro and flips her around right before a haircut, wiping 2 entire alliances
mentors were a mistake
>>342268838
the necks are still weird, but they don't have as clumsy of animations
>>342269349
>By the end of the first week of release, the PS3 version of A Realm Reborn placed second in Japan's sales charts, with 184,000 physical copies sold.[131] In late October 2013, Square Enix announced that the game had one and a half million registrations.[132] It was the 16th best selling personal computer game of 2013 in the United States.[133] In Japan, the PlayStation 3 version was ranked 32 in sales, with 244,574 retail copies sold.[134] Following an extremely poor fiscal year 2013, Square Enix executives commended the game's sales and subscriptions for its role in returning the company to profitability in 2014.[135] As of August 2015 the game had over 5 million registered accounts, a figure which excludes free trial members.[136] Yoshida has repeatedly emphasized that the robust success of A Realm Reborn was due to its traditional monthly subscription model.[137] He sees the free-to-play model as an unreliable source of income predicated on devoting a lot of development resources to monthly consumable or cosmetic items in order to maintain profitability, leaving little time left for higher quality story and battle content.[64] He also disclosed that over 80% of players are satisfied with the subscription model and theorized that this is due to players' confidence in a steady stream of quality content because of their subscription.[64][138][139] With the traditional model, the player base grows over time as people see the game expand, unlike a free-to-play game which can boast a huge initial player base which changes dramatically in size and revenue from month to month.[137] Yoshida has no plans to change to a free-to-play model in the near future.[138]
All this points out is that ARR was a success, where are you claims that it wasn't a success?
>>342269524
I was never full VIT, not even in Coil. I was a warrior previously anyway but swapped just to see changes to PLD in HW.
>>342268224
>less furry
>worse
>>342269735
>placed second in Japan's sales charts
>"registrations"
>16th best selling
>ranked 32 in sales
>5 million "registered accounts" (not subs)
>Yoshi admits that he should make it F2P
These are all terrible stats for a super-multi-million dollar project dude.
>>342268525
I think they're about equal but Elvaan had some great animations in FFXI.
>>342269349
Aren't you the same guy who keeps bringing up ARR's 2013 sales but also argues that the reason there are so many accounts is because everyone already owned the game anyway because it was pretty much free for 3 years straight?
>>342269845
>Actually believing miqote are even remotely close to Mithra
kys
>>342269649
The problem with Mentor was rewards and an icon to display.
They should've just had the Novice Network and an opt-in for mentoring/auto-join in system/character config.
>>342269978
>are you the same guy that tells the truth
Yes.
>>342269845
>Defending human + 1 trait design for races
Fuck off
>>342270074
You don't see how those lines of through conflict at all?
>>342242229
The graphics were optimized poorly and couldn't run on consoles, which is a huge part of current FFXIV's success. It is by an unreasonable margin the best MMO available on consoles.
And its not just consoles. As much as people complain about it, one of the biggest part of World of Warcraft's success was its low graphical standard. That game can run on any fucking computer made after the 90s, which means A LOT more people can play it.
>>342243851
Final Fantasy XI was a product of its time, just as Final Fantasy XIV is a product of its time. XI just so happened to be made when Everquest was the hot shit, and XIV was made when World of Warcraft was the hot shit. Get over it.
So now that the dust has settled, can we all agree that Ozma is actually way too easy and Forgall is the biggest roadblock to a successful Weeping City?
>>342270224
All I'm saying is that the games sales are shit and I prove it. I can't prove the game doesn't have subs because they don't release sub numbers, but "accounts created" doesn't mean sales or subs or anything else. It's just accounts created.
>>342270110
Beasts must be purged.
>>342242229
Graphics were nice. The cities being whole and not split into different parts and no loading screen between them and the zone directly outside of them was great.
It also had some great music but the same can be said for the new one as well. A lot of the old music is reused there anyway so that never really went anywhere.
Literally everything else was trash.
>>342270482
If you actually read carefully, it said they had 5 million unique people subscribe at one time. That's at least 5 million people who paid $15 at one point and also bought a copy of the base game. Not including game sales or cash shop shit, that's around 65 million dollars earned at one point. How is that a flop especially when the game had a shoestring budget?
>>342270457
>put meteor in same spot every time
>kill ads
>stop moving when you get dice
how the fuck did people ever think Ozma was hard
>>342269968
Can you not read or do basic math?
>>342271048
>it said they had 5 million unique people subscribe at one time
Where did it say that? It wasn't on the square website.
>>342271187
Enlighten me.
>>342271193
>5 million accounts registered (excluding free trial members)
Source Wikipedia and Yoshida
>>342271316
Many of those accounts were from 1.0. They transferred over all accounts, including bots.
>>342270928
fw the city themes from 1.0 will never be back
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oquox8Wnag4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOhP7yiM8V0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF5ewdq0_PM
>>342271419
They didn't count 1.0
Unless you want to provide proof
>>342271193
It says the "5 million accounts" number excludes free trial accounts so some money changed hands at least 5 million times, the exact revenue numbers from there are hard to extrapolate however.
>>342271534
Not him, but why wouldn't they?
>>342271534
How do you think all legacy members were transferred? Because they DIDN'T transfer everyone?
>>342271540
Legacy / 1.0 accounts aren't free trial accounts. So no, money didn't change hands 5 million times.
>>342271656
Not him/her eithe, but they could but no one knows if they did or not. Still waiting on proof.
I wish I had more fun playing ff14... I really do. The game is so aesthetically nice, but the gameplay puts me to sleep nowadays.
How can people say ARR didn't sell well when it's obvious that it did sell well?
>>342271952
Because the evidence says otherwise.
>>342243461
But those are facts.
Just fantasia to midlander that run mistakes were made
>>342271798
They literally said they were transferring all characters from 1.0 before doing it. Everyone who bought or played 1.0 got an account made in 2.0.
>>342271952
>>342272010
The real question is what constitutes "selling well"?
>level bard till 50
>shit this is so fucking fun, why didnt I play this class sooner
>hit 52
>wanderers minuet
>pic related, go back to MNK
>>342270482
at least 700k players have cleared Alexander Gordias DF according to the development team. That means hundreds of thousands of people bought ARR. How is that selling like shit?
>>342272189
>multiple characters per account
>>342242229
Just remember the fucking crafting dear god it was AMAZING.
You needed 4 different crafting crafting classes to make a fucking sword.
And the recipes!!!!!!! 0 HANDHOLDING, you actually had to discover them
I remember one guy discovering a recipe for a sweet sword and selling it expensive as fuck, everyone was mad at him because he never shared the recipe on the cuckwiki online.
That game mang.
You could play as a crafter leveling up without EVER EVER killing a monster.
You could play a fighting class and gain money by selling the shards.
You could be a humble gatherer selling your mats.
Game would have been even better if you could only be 1 fighting, 1 gatherer and 1 crafting class, that would make cooperating even more important.
Then add a PVP server in an update and go crazy with the most expensive AAA amazing graphics full blown sandbox MMO.
Too bad normies couldn't get into it because of how awful UI was.
>>342271076
We hadn't discovered the Kennedy method of dealing with meteors then.
>>342272271
Are you implying that hundreds of thousands of people have alts at level 60 and beat it again? In a game where alts are useless outside of ERP?
>>342272520
I'm implying those numbers are bullshit.
>>342242229
>Buy it day one
>Level up cooking for weeks
>Suddenly realize it's useless because food didn't actually do anything
>>342271901
Me too man. I really enjoyed the story, music, artstyle, but this fucking gameplay man. I wish there was a main series game that had a fantasy theme like this. Because i'm not autistic enough to do endgame shit and there's really no reason to stay subscribed other than that.
>tfw you played XIV for years and can't anymore and just want a single player FF just like it
>>342242229
maybe because it was dogshit?
>>342272806
XV is going to be shit. Maybe you'll like that, too.
>>342272889
I'll never like XV.
>>342272889
i don't want some edgy futuristic shit, just a classic fantasy game, i guess i'll wait for the hd remaster of ffxii to come to pc
>>342242229
right, no one wanted to play it and they had to run it for free while they worked on the biggest revamp an MMO has ever seen (that didn't end in tragedy). but sure the game was amazing and just nobody noticed but you.
>>342272806
Well 12 stole 11's gameplay, maybe 16 will steal 14's.
>>342272608
They come directly from the development team in their live letters. It's more proof than what some retarded anonymous person like yourself is saying.
>>342273359
>Yoshi P
>not a lying sack of garbage
Nah.
>>342273134
>XII HD has become my most anticipated FF game
I'm getting close to giving up on this franchise.
>>342252327
this shit is gonna be shut down soon, sad
>You'll never walk around for the first time on launch day of FFXIV around Limsa Lominsa watching in awe the background, listening to the music and admiring the graphics.
>You'll never explore Coerthas looking for mining nodes
>You'll never ever experience a game with so much mystery and potential ever again.
>>342273776
>shutting down the superior final fantasy MMORPG
seems unlikely
I seem to be the only one bothered by the aesthetics of FFXIV, everything and everyone look like they're made of fucking plastic, the texture work is absolutely disgusting.
>>342273867
It was a mess, but it was OUR mess.
>>342258301
it is Japan they fuckers didn't fire anyone, they moved them to shit positions so they themselves would quit. lol made the game director of 1.0 become a bitch when Realm Reborn was being made and he quit after
holy shit
>>342274030
No, it's something ARR has been criticized for since its release.
>>342257216
>only skin cancer skanks
Come back when you have some real waifus.
>>342273194
Generally speaking, I like direction XV is taking. I hope all future mainline FF games have big, open explorable spaces and towns, large imposing bosses, and action oriented combat like XV does.
>>342274721
I think 15 looks pretty good as well. We'll see in a few months.
>>342269458
>>lodestone account
no they needed to milk the crystal tools like crazy since that shit sucked. the original lighting game sold a lot but the other two had SHIT sales
>>342274721
So basically all things that separate from classic final fantasy?
>>342274950
Well yeah, XIII sold as good as it did because of advertising. Then everyone assumed it's sequels sucked as hard is it did (even though they didn't) and so they sold like shit.
>>342242229
the UI was clunky as shit. Copypasted landscapes everywhere. Story that tried to be deep and complex but just became confusing and disconnected. combat was boring as fuck. world was empty
fucking horsebirds
>>342272889
I thought splatoon was gonna fail and that sold millions. I think FF15 is shit but retards will buy it because it is FF. the boy band group is shit. I like the graphics but this is not a FF game. fucking fag japs
>>342272159
>anyone who still plays BRD/MCH after 50
Just play a fucking spellcaster. I have half a mind to report them for harassment when I get one in my roulettes as one of the DPS for purposely choosing to make my run longer.
I want to kill myself when I get two as dps.
>>342275178
Here's your classic Final Fantasy.
>>342275379
The characters look dece. Boy band camping trip 15 should be fun.
>>342275413
>brd and mch in roulette
>get a sch who doesn't dps
>I do more damage as a pld than the two dps on bosses
Fucking kill me
I will always give FFXIV 1.0 this credit. It tried to be its own thing. It had shades of FFXI, certainly, but it was working to stand on its own two feet. 2.0 and beyond is just the safest pandering you can construct. Everything hinges upon nostalgia created from previous FFs. There's no goddamn soul in it anymore. Just mix together the safest MMO mechanics and concepts you can, and there you go. So very disappointing.
>>342273776
there are working private servers now
>>342274721
I just want that shit in a different setting. The XV setting bores me to tears in the trailers when it should be getting me hyped for it.
I just want XV to come out so the futuristic boy band shit can be in the rear view mirror.
>>342275591
>implying
>>342242229
Yep.
But all the newfriend weebshitters who enjoy ERP, can't endgame and like all the aesthetic garbage (re:not gameplay) of ARR will say otherwise.
>>342275774
Bravely default was trash
What final fantasy games do I actually play?
how many can I run/emulate on a PC
>>342273867
just played it for the first time last week
>>342275774
>censored, rushed, FFV bootleg made by a different dev
>>342263985
>408 replies
>75 images
>129 posters
>1 page
Nigger what the fuck are you even talking about.
>>342276025
you can emulate or find PC versions of every single iteration
>>342275765
Not to get into a big debate on setting, but I'd also prefer a more medieval feel. But I'm not against FFXIII's sci-fi feel or FFXV's modern feel. Along with ARR, I rather like how all three go in different directions. My beef with XV is that it's become so different from what it was shown off as when it was Versus. But I have no idea how people like >>342275746 could like 1.0. There was so much fundamentally broken about it.
>>342276025
you can run/emulate every main series game on pc
>>342276025
>What final fantasy games do I actually play?
Pretty much everyone will give you a different answer. If you know someone who has similar taste to you, check out the ones they recommend. The ones I see recommended the most are IV, VI, VII, XI, and X and even those can be pretty divisive among people.
>how many can I run/emulate on a PC
All of the major entries are now on PC in one form or another.
>>342276025
VI is the only good classic title play that and that alone
>>342253265He's absolutely right.
>>342276338
I'm with you, I'm not hugely against the setting either, I'm just tired of it. It's been since XII released in 2006 that a non-MMO FF game didn't have a modern or sci-fi setting. I know they alternate from game to game but when the mainline entries have 10 year development times it gets a little old.
>>342276747
I kinda agree actually, but he was still a faggot for advertising his LGBT channel
Also ran into this gem while doing a dungeon with a friend
>>342276923
I worry about FF16. About who's behind it, what it'll look like, and if they're going to announce it way before it'll release. The only way I'll have any hope in it is if FF15 is any good.
>>342277069
why would you do that to yourself, leveling all classes equally
he probably doesn't even have the bonus exp ring
>>342277258
Maybe he finds itfun.
>>342277069
Seems like an odd level to stop at. My lowest jobs are all at least 32 to toss out any gear below brayflox but it seems like a huge pain to keep them all at the same spot like that.
>>342246909
Top tier seph ex strats right here.
>>342277069
i did this with gatherers. but 5 levels at a time
>>342277258
We asked, he told us that this was an alt and that he had already gotten to 60 on his main class. He was 'experimenting', and it 'didn't feel right' to level his other classes on his main character
>>342277430
Well he's obviously leveling them all at the same time, but I assume his arcanist is a bit higher due to doing the leveling roulette and getting 2 levels from the same dungeon
>>342277475
Leveling all crafters/gatherers at the same time is actually the best method.
>Final Fantasy
>online
>starting to get into master book level crafting
>all these new mats I've never even seen or heard of before
>700+stat requirements
HELP
>>342278827
IRONWORKS
>>342278827
I don't know what crafting is like, as I only just got carpenter to 59, but with gathering it's pretty easy to get ridiculous stats with just the blue scrip welfare gear.
Or you can splurge some millions like
>>342279071
says
>>342278827
a full glass fiber set, or a hq level 60 set with materia will get you to 2 star easy
red scrip armor is not worth getting. offhand and mainhand are however
>>342279071
>>342279169
I only have 22 million, I can't afford Ironworks shit. Also having to cash in Crafters scrips just to get favor mats that you already have to spend Gather scrips on is bullshit (though I know it was worse before the 3.3 nerfs). I shouldn't have to spend both resources to get things like that.
>>342279715
Well you can always spend more money instead of gathering favors :^)
>>342279715
What server are you on it takes 10 mil to get a complete set here
>>342279917
Brynhildr
Can't stop playing.
>>342280046
I'm on lamia a hq left side is 2mil a piece except chest which is 2.5. was planning on buying some so my crafter will be geared when I get to 60
>>342271901
Literal villain.
>>342242229
LGBTXY and Z have no fucking place in video games
>>342281301
>steam
>>342283840
Not him but I got the base game for $7 on steam when it was still selling new for $25
Glass fiber or relic items,. ah decision.
>only have 4m
How do I get money? I fucking hate crafting and gathering is boring as shit
>>342276338
>But I have no idea how people like >>342275746 # could like 1.0. There was so much fundamentally broken about it.
Look up "Chaser's War on Everything - Eulogy song" on YouTube.
>>342285014
Without crafting or gathering youre only option is people paying you for clears
>>342285014
What's the point of money in ff14.
>>342285308
to buy gear for glamour
>>342285308
Housing.
>>342285605
Oh. Ok then.
>>342285575
I see, I guess that makes sense.
I think I'm fine being poor as fuck then.
>>342285308
Relic
>>342285014
Sell your weekly mhachi matter materia for 300k
>>342283840
This is a non-issue.
Gas all lala players
>>342285605
This.
Glamour pales in comparison to the cost of housing stuff.
>Bought a small house when the servers went up after 3.3
>The skin that makes your house look like a Moogle cabin costs 10 million; triple what I paid for the land
I only have 4 mil on me, and that's after selling glass fibre and the materia from the Moogle quests for two weeks, so I'm gathering the shit to make it myself in my FCs workshop.
It hasn't been too bad, aside from the disgustingly low return rate of duskborne aethersand, but I will need to level Miner to 60 to get Astral Moraine and red quartz.
Getting 324 hardened sap sucked though; about 65000 company seals all up.
>>342279917
Holy fuck. When I checked yesterday most IW crafting is between 4-6 mil on Malboro. For full left side +primary tool would be about 30 mil.
>>342286950
>wanting a moogle house
trash
>mhach is too easy
>Nidhogg EX looks too hard
>>342287631
I'm a fudanshi when it comes to moogle stuff.
I'm going to make a moogle house and fill it with moogle shit.
>>342288028
NidEX isn't that hard.
The hard part is finding 7 people that aren't smacktards, with sufficient situational awareness to avoid getting hit by cauterise. I've not yet seen beyond the first loop of the final phase because everyone explodes during fireballs/Sable Prices, leaving insufficient players to soak Akh Morn.
I think I've given up on clearing it until they add echo.
>>342242229
>graphics
>that retarded amount of bloom
The only thing better about 1.0 graphics were the butts. That's it.
>>342283840
What's wrong with the steam version besides having to get every expansion through steam?
>>342285308
skipping content
>>342289540
>besides having to get every expansion through steam?
That is what's wrong with it
HW and the main game has never been on sale on steam
>>342288904
Any tips you can give to someone who wants to tackle Niggnogg EX? Like some key thing to pay attention to.
>>342288028
Nidhogg EX feels too easy to me. Like the only new thing was fang and claw, and then when you learned how that worked everything else is very self explanatory. Most good groups on day 1 figured out the entire fight and cleared it within the first lockout.
>>342285308
For a raider, as of 3.2:
>Food
>Pots
>Crafted 220 gear until full 220, this was more important when 3.2 came out, not really now since Midas Normal is off weekly lockout, and weekly 230 gear exists.
>Materia, lots of materia, mhachi matter itself is not enough
Starting a raid tier for an entire static is expensive as fuck now.
>>342290334
I heal it so I have a different set of mental priorities to most people, but uh during Phase 1 the first cauterise/dive-bomb always comes from the north or the east; the second from the west or the south.
Whenever he does a Hot Tail/Wings set always wait a moment after the first move to bait the targeted jettatura AoEs that spawn underneath you away from the party.
During the add phase keep an eye out for the shadow dragon's telegraphed cleave and/or fireball attacks because it's annoying healing you back up. If you're tanking the big eel thing for the love of Christ pop a cooldown for the second electric breath attack (you get a magic vulnerability up stacking debuff; he does breath attacks when this debuff has 20 seconds left) because I've seen tanks with stoneskin and adlo instantkilled from full HP with just one.
Aside from that watch a guide and learn your positioning for dragonfire dive and Sable price explosions.
>>342288028
Niddhog EX looks hard at first but it's actually easier than Sephirot EX and Thordan EX. There's no hard enrage, only a soft enrage. With good DPS, you can skip damage phases and don't even have to use LB3 for damage (we save it for healer LB3 in case people fuck up). Go watch Mizzteq's video guide, she explains it really simple.
>>342292426
Apparently there is a hard enrage at like 11:00.
And since with mediocre DPS you kill it in 9 minutes that's really lenient.
>>342291603
Alright. Thanks, i will.
>>342242229
1.0 was so bad that they dropped a Bahamut nuke on it and delayed FF Versus for years to remake FFXIV
Someone use my shill code. I need more twintania mounts.
VNWNA6K6
You'd think they'd consider putting v1.23 back up in a maintenance-mode capacity to milk extra sub fee from its curious subscribers.
The client still operates without modifications needed on modern OS.
ffxi is on steam
should I play it
>>342295217
No.
>>342295123
Among Yoshi's myriad promises is a plan to eventually re-integrate the 1.0 narrative into the current game via an echo flashback (something along the lines of Oolacile from Dark Souls) so people can get a better grasp on the story.
The problem is it would require significant development, writing, programming, translation, etc work for no material player reward so it was and will continue to be on the back burner for some time.
I definitely want to know more about the story, but yeah until that dude gets his 1.0 server emulator running satisfactorily we're snookered.
>>342295801
I'm pretty sure there might be a youtube similar to the story channel for ffxi. I haven't looked though.
>>342295801
Would be less resources to get 1.X back up in a limited capacity than to waste an expansion pack on retconning 1.X events by remaking them.
>>342295217
ded gaem
>>342295217
if you can handle not really seeing a who bunch of people then sure the music in the game is fucking great
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WAcS-1H3BM
>>342296719
I only got to play a few weeks of that game and you posted the one I still listen to on an almost daily basis.
>>342296719
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oz4t44gqvo
>people still don't know how do to a1-4
>>342296719
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5EgbPr50hY
why not link the best song
>>342299691
Savage or normal?
>>342301806
Normal obviously.
>>342262126
>WoW has around 5 million. Facts are facts boi.
WoW HAD around 5 millions MONTHS ago and after that report Blizzard stopped reporting the active subs.
Based on the rate at wich they were losing subbers It wouldn't be surprising if WoW had >2M just now.
>>342301925
But one of them is literally cleaning trash
how hard are ex titans to pug
I have never experienced any sort of end game content in any mmo
>>342302594
that depends entirely on who is in your party
>>342257439
WoW? PTR's don't count.
>>342303154
You can pay for your sub with gold now in WoW
FF14 forces you to pay money or you don't play at all.
>>342302594
you need at least 4 competent people to do titan ex
>>342303401
Doesn't count. You realize someone has to buy those tokens right? Its essentially someone else buying your sub in exchange for something.
>>342303567
tokens cost 20 bucks too. blizzard makes more money with them
Is there a point to leveling desynthesis? I threw some spare gil at my weaver and got it up to 160 but shit's expensive as fuck to level.
I'm just wondering where/when this starts to pay, if ever.
>>342302594
Almost impossible if half of the party don't know how to do it.
>>342303978
desynth void ark gear. get money
