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>June update
>they keep flat out saying "end of june"
>this meme still exists
Proof memers are utterly retarded.
>>342241423
End of june is actually means august
>Developer confirms 8-frames was a design choice casually on stream
>Capcom PR says it isn't, and that it was a mistranslation
Everyone tells me this game has the "potential" to be good, but does it actually, or are we just defending a bad game?
>>342241921
Of course it has potential, they'd just need to rebuild it from the ground up to not be shit.
>>342241921
I don't think people expected it to be worse than Ultra, but it is.
This game is fucking trash. USF4 is better in every way, except graphics.
>>342241921
It does. Some things need tweeking but in general I have fun with it. It's there but buried under capcom's usual shit.
>still no Urien gameplay
>need to wait til September cause Jurifags take priority
I need to Aegis Reflector a bitch right now.
>>342242385
all future DLC characters are playable on Story mode.
so no need to worry for urien or juri
>also
urien is fully clothed in this game sorry
Next week Thursday.
>>342242924
In story costume mode. It's getting hot package premium costume eventually.
>>342241921
Where is this happening exactly?
>>342242385
>tfw I will probably jump back st.MP on habit
>>342242924
>grape suit
>also voiced by based Sugita
He looks fucking fabulous.Watch Capcom ruin it with no Aegis Reflector.
anyone down for a couple matches
>>342243605
Depends, how shit are you?
>>342243605
sure whats ur id
>>342243456
v trigger will probably be necali style transforming into KILL mode for the rest of the match.
I want to knee drop bitches again.
>>342243845
very
>>342243859
TheSamoCamo, password is going to be 132
>>342243974
>tears off his suit when he enters v trigger
This game is dead, everyone with brain know that and wait KoF XIV or playing GGXrd.
>>342244305
>anime games prospering outside of jap'n arcades
And I have no doubt kof will be fun as fuck, but you're delusional to think that game won't go the same way 13 did at best.
I'm waiting more on T7 personally.
>>342244092
for some reason it says the password is 0132, so if joining isn't working you may want to try that
>>342244305
I try to like KoF but animations look horrid.
>>342244305
The reason Capcom gets this much shit is because they're literally the forerunners of the genre. I wish I could believe anyone when they say "SFV sucks, and everyone will move onto 'X' game," but that hasn't been the case so far. MKX, KI, Pokken,Smash,and GGXrd (SIGN) have been out since before/around SFV's release and there hasn't been any great "migration" of SFV players to those other games. It's like when people expected the Marvel scene to move onto Skullgirls after a while, but it never came to be.
I don't even care.
I just want Urien and a "super"-type of update.
>>342244305
You are absolute delusional if you believe SF fags will start playing weebshit in droves now. Quite the opposite, actually: You fags have been increasingly obnoxious ever since SFV was announced in your attempts to rile up fanbases against each other. Even the ones who hate SFV won't touch animu shit just because it brings them one step closer to your kind.
>>342245042
Why aren't the ones that dabble in more than one fighter more vocal than the blatant fanboys? Feels like the ones not pledging allegiance are getting rarer and rarer.
>>342244905
>urien
>not Q
>>342245042
This. They won't even play other Capcom fighters that were made by the same people who made Street Fighter and whose mechanics and aesthetics were adapted into Street Fighter.
The visibilty of SFV is only exist because Capcom have a lot of money, but this game are shallowness.
Everyone, who play fighting games need to support Arcs System or SNK for what they do relatived to Capcom guys. This is the true.
>>342241921
>>342243274
It's beyond me why some people were so opposed to the input delay being brought down to at least the 360/post-patch PS4 USF4 standard.
And KoF isn't really a otaku games guys.
>>342245425
I'm supporting them but Capcom also because I'm not letting SFV end like this(and in hopes for new vampire savior).
>>342241921
>Everyone tells me this game has the "potential" to be good, but does it actually, or are we just defending a bad game?
I mean, I was really just playing for the ass and thighs, but it's okay.
I suspect an inevitable Super Street Fighter V will probably show up eventually to fix things up.
I mean, shit, everyone wants a new Garou or Samurai Shodown, CVS 3 but no one want buy SNK games, what the fuck ?
So we should support KoF XIV even if this game looks like a 360 game.
>>342245253
Beats me. Though I believe the internet makes people autistic.
These days it's all about fanboy wars. Sony against Microsoft, Marvel against DC, Witcher against Dragon Age, and so on. It's just so tiresome to read about this shit on a daily basis, let alone know that people willingly engage in this childlike activity.
Personally, I enjoy SFV, but I'm also a huge Tekkenfag anxiously waiting for Tekken 7.
>>342245425
>ASW
Those fuckers are even more jewish than capcom, so "standing" for either of them is fucking retarded. I buy games I find fun. I find SF5 fun so I got it. I find XrdR fun so I bought it. From what I'm seeing from XIV, I might get it. Not pre-order for $20 extra and some goodies because that shit is how the cancer starts, but I'll definitely give it a shot.
Apologize.
>>342245425
>Engrish
Too bad Arcsys and SNK appeal to the niche with their anime-style visuals/themes. SF gets so much attention because of its big name and a more broad appeal, even the typical dudebro fifa player wouldn't feel too weird about picking it up.
>>342246065
Apologize for what? I never hated you. Though adding Elena and Rolento was a dick move.
>>342246138
>Implying SF and Marvel aren't anime
>>342246065
Nah, you were trash.
>>342246271
Point is dudebros are too dumb to tell the difference. Most likely think it's murican game.
>>342244720
Good games, man. It's been a few weeks since I last played, but your Necalli is good. Can't seem to beat anyone with a DP, haha. Being a Laura main is suffering.
>>342246662
>Laura
>>342246662
Thanks man, you were pretty alright as well. Necalli is fun but recently tried picking up Vega, not working out nearly as well. Just wait until they have thrown out 2+ DPs, then bait out the next one and it will most likely work.
>>342241921
Capcom USA and Capcom Japan are basically fighting with each other. Japan is pissed at US for releasing the DLC roadmap since Capcom couldnt meet the deadline, and now USA is pissed at JP for telling people that input lag was intentional,
>>342245253
I play every fighter I can run on my shitty laptop. Messing around with the mechanics and combos in different games helps with execution and keeps things fresh. I'm still no where near good though.
Too busy concentrating on experimenting and improving as a whole to shitpost in autistic fanboy wars.
Why did noone bitch about frames until this month?
The same top players are still consistently winning, so where is your excuse now?
>>342246065
I still hate the focus attack system, but I do love all the characters I could play. I miss Cody.
>>342245737
You don't understand:
>SNK fans want new Garou, SamSho, etc.
>Capcom fans just want SF + Grooves
From a casual standpoint, you end up with people like Maximillian who only end up liking a handful of characters like Terry and Rock. From a competitive standpoint, the only viable SNK characters were Iori and Hibiki. Trust me when I say Capcom fighting game fans are content with just having SF and Marvel. They just happen to like Terry from KoF.Yes, I know he's from Fatal Fury, that's the joke.
Cant wait for the """""""""""""May""""""""""""" update!
>>342246918
Tried doing that with you, but my choppy connection got in the way. Sorry about that too. That said, best of luck with making Vega work. I hate to say it, but being a character without an invincible reversal in this game is hell. I even catch a lot of Guile's trying to Flash Kick upon wake-up only to be reminded that it isn't invincible anymore, unless it's the EX version.
>>342247258
Focus attack is still probably the worst shit and I'm glad it will be 4's thing.
I truly hope SFV becomes as big as SF4
I mean SF4 was refined over 7 years you can't reallly compare them right now
Doesnt excuse SFV of the other provlems it has right now though
I wish I was good and that fighting games wouldnt make me rage as much as they do
inb4 capcuck
I think there is a good chance a "super SFV" will come out after season 1 ends, with balance changes, hopefully a better netcode, and no more 8 frames.
Only after that the game will live again.I really don't want the game to die, I started getting serious in fighting games with SFV and a little of USF4 before, and SF dying just means the death of FGC
>>342247174
This has been going on for a while now. Since one of the first CPT events, I think. SnakeEyez did a video interview and brought the difference between the PC and PS4 versions to light. That said, you can even find some videos during the beta where other pro players pointed out that something "felt weird/clunky/off" about the movements and inputs of the game. Only difference is now we know what it is.
>>342247647
Nah it was more likely my internet, running on Brazil-tier wifi right now. The no-reversal really hurts with Vega as he just melts as soon as someone rushes him down.
>>342247258
I miss Cody too, man. Cody in Five would really make my day.
>>342245620
>(and in hopes for new vampire savior)
If anything they'd probably make something more like Vampire Hunter. It was the most casual-friendly game in the series and the most successful one as a result.
>>342247984
>>342247960
I think SFV could eventually come into its own, but it's going to take just as long as it did with SFIV probably. This game needed Sony's funding to be made, so there's no telling how long it's going to take them to fulfill the laundry list of duties they have ahead of them with whatever small team/small budget they're working with.
>>342247174
people have bitched about the input delay from v sync since the beta
mainstream people only cared like the THIRD time eventhubs made an article about it with snake eyez (where has this fucker been lately? lost so much he is ducking every tournament?) mentioning it in an interview. it's been spammed in twitch chats like a meme.
offline input lag is bad no matter who is winning. don't defend shitty work by pointing the same people are winning.
oh except snake eyez, he's not winning shit.
So how much of a financial failure is SFV? Really?
On Capcom's platinum's list it lies at 1.4 mil. How much were they expecting to sell here? 2.5 mil?
So, at what point does Street Fighter V: Starter Edition come out for $15, like all the other flagging multiplayer games of late?
>>342247296
Did Max ever elaborate on why he's never really liked KOF?
>>342246065
You apologize for Elena first.
>>342248383because they aren't paying him
>>342243456
>also voiced by based Sugita
How do you know?
>>342248551
Wiki said it, but it's all [citation needed], so take it with some salt. I'd believe it though.
David Boat's supposed to be his English VA.
>>342242385
are you sure
>>342241921
It has potential
The problem is EVO is right around the corner so it's too late to actually put some changes in
The game will get better after EVO, updates will come faster since they were just focusing on characters
But it'll be too late anyways, the game is extremely unforgiving to new players who want to get into the game and pros aren't really enjoying SFV as well
>>342247960
SFV is already bigger than SF4. We're just living through the initial arcade vanilla style launch that people, including Capcom, always take for granted. By the end of the year we'll have the vanilla home launch version.
Do you think the full story will be leaked before it releases next week?
I need Urien mang
>>342247960
>I truly hope SFV becomes as big as SF4
Whiles sales wise it isn't competitively it is as big if not bigger
>>342248825
SF5 is already beginning to collapse at an incredibly fast rate. The only sign of it being huge are evo numbers which had 3000 people signed up before the game was even released.
Tons of pro players are saying they dont like the game but are playing it anyways because capcom is funding the scene and after the game bombed so hard capcom doesn't have a good reason to keep funding anything
>>342249076
What do you mean? If they release a patch and not unlock the story mode right away then most likely yes. Also all dlc characters will be fully playable on pc.
>>342242385
>tfw I found juri legitimately fun
>tfw forever associated with the I Need You Juri and footfaggot crowds
>>342249286
Evo entrants are at 4000+ now.
The pro players that are bitching most of the time are also the ones losing all the time.
Most of the Japanese players made a full turn around on their opinion of 5's mechanics for instance.
>>342248325
Snakeeyes was consistently winning every wnf for months after release then fell off the map.
If it was an issue why are top 8 the same players consistently
>>342241532
Remember when they said end of may?
>>342249461
I mean, there already is 30 minutes of gameplay on Youtube including footage of Balrog
Maybe not leak but just release before we get to play it
>>342244827
This, and it isn't like no other games offer money. MKX just got a 50k pot bonus at evo, the game is still dead despite selling stupid well
Individuals may shift what series they play but you just don't see whole communities do that
>>342246065
elana ss+ tier still exists
>>342241921
In the same way you have the potential to become the sun since you're made of the same atoms
>>342249535
Phenom the guy that just won dreamhack in Europe on twitter saying he doesn't like this shit.
Can't remember ever seeing any pros talking shit like this about SF4 when people played it.
>>342248383
He said he can't learn 3 characters
>>342249286
>SF5 is already beginning to collapse at an incredibly fast rate
What is your proof for this? You saw on /r/kappa that one player said that they don't like some aspect of the game? Despite none of them quitting
>>342242924
>>342248748
>one ROUND against a gimped NPC
>playable
Meh.
>>342249662
Elena was good but she ain't no SS tier bullshit if she was then gamerbee might have won capcup/Evo.
Who cares.
>people bought into this after the betas
really.
Come on. No one to blame but yourselves. There was like fucking three months of time over all the betas, to figure out if it was worth a purchase. Anyone with a brain figured out almost immediately that it wasn't. If you're some memer fag who follows "the FGC" you deserved to have your money sucked out of your wallets.
>>342249725
>Can't remember ever seeing any pros talking shit like this about SF4
People did nothing but shit on sf4 before it became to say it was a perfect game
You sf4fags are the new 3Sfags
Gonna host a /v/ lobby. Password is 6969
FT2, 99s, Char select on. Capcom ID is up there ^
>tfw Tekken 7 looks dope as fuck but it's not going to sell for shit and will probably have bunk-ass netcode
>>342249910
>Anyone with a brain figured out almost immediately that it was
Fixed.
>>342249725
Vanilla SF4 was nonstop bitching about DPs and fireball safety/priority. Daigo literally won finals several times in the first year just DP spamming.
Ironically Phenom just won dreamhack doing the same thing by using block string safe DP spams on Necalli.
>>342249765
A sponsored player isn't going to quit their paycheck dipshit.
Why does anyone even care about the SFV story? They showed like an hour of it already, the story is 5 hours long and everything about it screams shit, the acting, the pacing, the story itself is just terrible
>>342249552
it's an issue because it completely invalidates a reactionary playstyle. Capcom designed there entire game around offensive rushdown being the only viable way to play. Defensive characters are nerfed into the ground like Balrog not having a headbutt or 3 frame jab.
Every top player does the same aggressive shimmy play because that's the only thing that works while players that played SF4 with reactions and defense are complete shit since the game is so biased against them.
Capcom wanted to appeal to casuals by making the game look more flashy and they thought the best way to do that was to make it so everyone has to be on the offensive all the time so matches become fast paced
SFV is absolutely trash
>>342249845
No they did say playable in its truest sense.
>>342250058
> Capcom emulated ST, Alpha, and 3 rush down style
> 4 players bitch
Literally the new 3s fags.
Reminder that 8 frames of input delay removes footsies and strategy from the game and basically turns it into a mashing slugfest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CBEVIDwge0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwalITH_cGY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap369ES-6Xw
>>342249981
Thats more fuudo's fault for being a stubborn bastard and going for buttons so often rather than blocking.
>>342249971
SC5 and TR's netcode was ok. I don't see why T7's netcode will be shit.
>>342249986
So
>SF5 is already beginning to collapse at an incredibly fast rate.
Is utter bullshit then? Top players aren't quitting cause they want cash, more are getting sponsored and we are still seeing general high turn out
When will people get over jump fighter 5 and go back to ultra
>>342249910
Didn't you have to buy it to get into the betas in the first place?
>>342249487
>juri is a swiss army knife of playstyles in IV, where you have to keep changing modes to survive against good players
>you just know they're going to make her another rushdown only faggot in V
>>342249970
bumpin
>>342250224
it'll somehow be busted. bet your bottom dollar.
>>342250164
You're an idiot who hasn't been paying attention.
https://youtu.be/5hXLQ5ReY6s?t=1682
>>342249971
Stopped playing T6 online after first try because it was so shitty. Nobody cares about 3D fighters anymore sadly.
>>342250367
I loved how fast you could switch gears with her.
>>342249487
Being a normal human who likes Juri is suffering
>>342248383
Here you go:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l0kCK_mebg
Rundown if you don't want to watch it:
>Skipped KoFXIII because netcode sucked
>"I do want to learn a KoF game, starting with KoFXIV"
>"Characters I really want aren't there, like Rock and Rugal."
>"I'm excited for Kukri, King of Dinosaurs, etc."
>"I actually used to hate not-Capcom fighting games, vividly. Even Mortal Kombat."
>"I'm willing to give KoFXIV a shot and I hope SNK takes full advantage of Capcom's troubles with SFV and learns from them."
>>342250312
> high turn out at tournaments
> higher viewership for a Street Fighter than ever on multiple services in spite of the "SFV is bad" meme
> real sponsors putting in for SFV and getting positive results like Red Bull and Adidas
SFV's competitive scene needs to crash harder.
>>342250195
they emulated it in all the wrong ways
>8 frames making it harder to whiff punish and react to rush down
>dash animations being hard to react to
>Most v-skills being a VERY boring fireball neutralizer to prevent zoning
>>342250195
ST was rushdown and zoning. If anything it was more like IV's variety of styles.
>>342250367
holding fireballs is gone. v skill is her counter teleport. Feng Shui engine is her v trigger but it just gives her a damage buff instead of being able to do crazy combos
>>342250519
>SFV can't even fail right
LOL!
>>342250463
>>342249845
>gimped NPC
It has multiple difficulties, beating each earns more fight money
http://www.capcom-unity.com/street_fighter/blog/2016/06/09/sfv-cinematic-story-and-additional-june-updates
>>342250597
Counter teleport should be her v-reversal.
>>342250597
Well I'm not even playing V anymore, but I am waiting on Juri to make my final decision. If they made her like that I would immediately sell my copy. I don't want another rushdown faggot.
>>342250369
>>342249970
Lets goooooooooo
>>342250597
>v skill is her counter teleport
I'm pretty much expecting that, but just play omega mode juri for an idea idea for what to expect. I will flip shit if I can't hold fireballs anymore though.
Where were you when you found out Snake Eyez is going to be 4's version of a 3shitter?
>>342250519
The few times I've looked at SFV tournaments I haven't seen numbers bigger than what IV had, can you show me some?
>>342249845
i was thinking about the order
>Playing 2 weeks ago
>Everything normal, lots of matches with people my rank around low to mid Silver
>Win some lose some. On average win more than lose.
>Last week
>Every match, be it casual or ranked, is now high Golds, Ultra Golds, Platinums and even one Diamond
>Haven't won a single match all week
Did the community just drop dead or something?
>>342250510
God what a fucking whiny faggot
Why does anyone give a shit what he thinks?
>>342250774
Having difficulty levels doesn't stop it from being one round and against an NPC with no real moveset.
>>342250940
My mistake.
Waiting for the complete Edition
>>342250946
I've had the same actually
I'm an ultra bronze shitter who mostly plays casuals and I had to fight a 6K Ken main
I kinda just stood still didnt even have a chance
>>342250934
Europe has been pretty much the same except for the Kumite having a stupidly huge turn out.
The US has been consistently overwhelming smaller events and making medium events have to run pools longer than before.
>>342250468
Tekken didn't have good online until Tag 2.
>>342250934
did you miss final round having more than 1000 people for sfv? i'm pretty sure no tournament other than evo hit numbers like that for sf4.
>>342251070
CEO did in USF4
>>342251025
>When you try to DANG but you get a DONG instead.
I'll reserve my judgements for the competitive community until after CPT. At the moment they are definitely riding that new game high. Especially with the previous game basically being forced out of a lot of big tournaments, so the players have to find something.
>>342251112
2014 or 2015? because with pre-reg numbers i found, i find that extremely hard to believe since it's not common for tournaments to double or triple their total numbers via last minute/door registration.
>>342251323
It was the final year, it was either ceo or FR. I do remember there being one non evo that had those numbers. Just one though.
>>342251256
Capcom realized their mistake with SFxT when they didn't immediately kill off SF4. If SF4 died then everyone would be playing SFxT regardless of the game quality
>>342249970
This lobby still up?
>>342251427
ceo would be the one i'd expect to do those numbers, but i couldn't find any final numbers, rarely seem to be able to without finding brackets and counting manually.
>>342244305
> playing ASW games
oh boy I love being two versions behind and having to pay 70 dollars if I want all the characters in each game.
For real though, if they weren't so jewish I'd play the fuck out of their games.
>>342251487
Yup, just sitting here waiting for people to join.
>>342249970
I want in dammit
>>342249970
can't find the lobby
>>342251567
Can't find it when searching for lobbies with passwords, try remaking it
>>342251487
he might have left
new lobby, id is TheSamoCamo, pw is 6969
>>342250507
I'm not claiming to be a normal person, but 90% of the porn for her sucks, and when you bring her up, that's what's coming next anyways because most people's juri runs consist of unsafe pinwheels, full rekka divekicks, and whiffed U2s.
>>342251002
Because he's literally the PewDiePie of fighting games. What he lacks in competitive skills he makes up for in personality, which is why he has thousands of viewers that will throw money at him. Only other person that streams fighting games that also gets thousands of viewers is Daigo, and that's because everyone wants to steal his tech and study his patterns to destroy him.
>>342251657
>>342251618
>>342251605
No idea, remaking lobby. 5 slots.
>>342251567
>>342251618
Think i found it, samocamo?
No sakura=shit game famo
>>342251686
still nothing, you sure you made the slots public?
CFN is MFDOOM if you wanna just invite me
>>342251780
Ibuki is next week though and shes better in every way?
>>342251659
>90% of the porn for her sucks
Is there any fighting game girl with more good porn than bad? Even Chun-li, who is the female face of SF, has nothing but weird muscle, hairy-armpit shit. The more popular the character, the lower the standard is for fan/porn art I suppose.
>>342251732
that's me, same rules but different guy
>>342251657
this is unplayable at the moment maybe cos I'm UK, although I've had good connections with america
>>342251882
Search for thesamocamo
>>342251780
Ibuki is when better than stinkura, she's never fucked a hoboyet
>>342252029
ah, got it.
>>342251968
Look at it this way, at least you're not a viper fan. Literally no porn that isn't some kind of hyper fetishized picture that only the original artist will enjoy.
>>342252029
invite me, HustleWizard.
thanks
>>342251780
I main Sakura man, and even I know they won't throw her in SFV because everyone wants Akuma/Sagat back.
>>342251919
>No triple kicks
>No Hien
>No Tsujigoe
>No Neck Breaker
>Better
Good one, anon.
>>342252017
yeah i've got awful connections to anything outside the us, sorry about that pal
>>342246065
>implying I stopped believing
Focus attack sucked, but everything else was almost perfect. And after Elena and Poison were added it had the best waifus in any SF game.
>>342250195
You have clearly never played ST, Alpha or 3
>>342252093
This better be her battle costume I didnt get jewed out of a season pass for nothing
Who's ready for the big bird?
>>342241921
SFV has the best design/balance of any fighting game. It has the least bullshit/gimmicks/meme characters and has the most fundamental and skill based play of any fighting game. The only things bringing it down are some minor technical stumbles and a new division in the FGC between people who like different kinds of gameplay.
Mahvelfaggots and sf4 09ers who are all about muh sick reads, muh mixup, I beat you in rock paper scissors guessing game twice in a row that means I deserve to win the round, what the fuck is a footsie etc, and y'know what that is a valid fucking opinion, mahvel 3 was the most popular game to watch on twitch after the fighting game renaissance, those types of bullshit-laden games have a tendency to produce a lot of hype, and those types of people are now complaining about SFV being boring to play. I think those people should fuck off to revelator since that's got the mixups and resets and setplay focused game design they're clearly looking for.
The REAL cancer though, is the "muh singleplayer fighting game" mortal kombat / injustice faggots complaining about SFV lacking features like challenge modes vs AI or a story mode. Holy shit those people need to die.
>>342252210
Can't invite m8 im not the host
>>342249845
>doubting the power of mustard rice
they will all be playable in training modeincluding the dummies
>>342245620
>(and in hopes for new vampire savior)
After how they handled SF5 do you really want that? Characters like Huitzil and Pyron were designed from the ground up to be zoning machines They'd neuter them to the point of uselesness. Hell, they already did exactly that to Pyron when they brought him back for the later versions of Savior.
>>342252401
I agree with every single thing you just wrote.
>>342252401
>I beat you in rock paper scissors guessing game twice
As opposed to rock and scissors only in V, aka crush counter and everything else?
>>342250934
EVO has been crushing its own records left and right. Street Fighter V has, at minimum, 4000 entrants.
>>342252624
You generally only get crush countered when you make an unnecessarily risky play though
>>342252401
>I beat you in rock paper scissors guessing game twice in a row that means I deserve to win the round
>>342252401
>SFV has the best design/balance of any fighting game.
OP, I think you meant May update, no?
>>342252741
Yeah like teching a throw, or doing literally anything after you get hit by a medium punch.
>>342241532
You mean like May?
>>342252401
>minor
Fuck no, the game still neest tweaking on the technical side and capcom really needs to handle their pr better, I thought they'd learn after SFxT, but apparently not.
As a game I love it FAR more than any iteration of 4, but the way it's handled is such a shitshow.
>>342252797
Name another currently played / sucessful fighting game that has matchups better then mostly 6/4s and one or two 7/3s in a roster with more then 15 characters
>>342252875
Does being in a throw whiff animation put you in a crush counterable state? I don't think I've ever seen someone hit a whiffed throw with a crush counter move.
>>342252485
They really are out of touch aren't they, I also want new Bloody Roar from Eighting but dead dream I guess.
>>342253065
>Does being in a throw whiff animation put you in a crush counterable state?
The startup does. That's why I never even try teching when I fight bison
>>342253065
VF5
>>342253273
>54.png
The autism.
>>342252386
You probably did, actually. Her default is the school outfit and her story mode one is a dress like Karin's. On top of that, if we look at the only other SFIII character in SFV, Alex, you'll see he doesn't even have his original SFIII outfit. Besides, would you really be happy being jewed out for a season pass just to get the same costume Ibuki has had since day 1 and told that it's "premium?"
>>342252875
Have you heard of blocking?
>>342250934
Any run-of-the-mill major or premier puts SFV right at Twitch's top viewed, something SFIV would only manage during EVO or CEO.
>>342252949
I feel like they're minor. I don't know about 8frame meme because I play on PC, the desync in online is a real cunt when it happens but that's only like 1 out of every 5 matches in my experience, a reasonable threshold that doesn't prevent me enjoying the game.
>>342253345
Holy shit virtua fighter still exists has a franchise? I haven't seen or heard anything from them since like the mid 2000's
>>342253484
>like teching a throw
Even if we don't count throws, V kind of reminds me of fighting C. Viper. She does some stuff that you just have to deal with, then it's your turn to do some stuff. Repeat until someone dies.
>>342253273
Why would you do something like that?
Before the "MUH 8 FRAMES" the only constant shit the game would get was "MUH SINGLE PLAYER/ARCADE MODE".
>>342252782
You have to guess wrong against mika at least 5 times to lose a round, unless it's the second round and she has meter, and that character is the single one in the entire roster that really needs some changes other then maybe giving gief his greenhand back
>>342252875
Looks like you literally can't stop pressing buttons, this is something you should improve on.
>>342253827
You're right, he should have used bison/ryu as his example
>>342253665
You could also DP, who do you play as?
>>342253935
What's wrong with ryu? He's the most fair character in the game
nobody realizes that SFV's current negative reception is a lot like every street fighter game's reception at launch. some players hate it, some players love it, and new players come through. technical issues aside, the only difference is volume at which these concerns are being expressed because of the genre's resurgence over the past 7 years or so.
the SFV haters who love to shit on the game at every opportunity are just sad that their preferred game (sf4) is no longer center stage. there are ST players who still feel alpha is shit, alpha players who still feel new generation to 3S was shit, 3S players who feel SF4 is shit, and SF4 players who now feel SFV is shit.
>>342253873
Jesus christ dude can you not read. I'm talking about teching motherfucking throws here. Like one of the most fundamental parts of fighting games. That in SFV you're honestly better off not even trying because you'll take less damage if the throws you three times in a row, then guessing a single tech wrong. And this isn't even high damage characters either, it's the entire cast.
>>342253827
The best ranked Zangief of Dreamhack said that all he needs is 50 extra health.
But then again, he used to play Hugo in SFIV.
>>342254126
SFIV was the only SF game to not have technical issues on the first issue. It even played like the same fundamental game it would become, just with a character or two being OP, the system itself was fine.
Just putting that out there.
>>342253757
>Before the "MUH 8 FRAMES" the only constant shit the game would get was "MUH SINGLE PLAYER/ARCADE MODE".
Um... no.
People were constantly saying how it was dumbed down baby shit with zero fundamentals, depth or complexity.
>>342253345
Anon he said successful.
>>342254186
Yeah I can't really make calls on how to fix gief, I fucking hate grapplers and the people who play them, but even I can recognize how hard he has to work to do anything against a smart player in SFV
>>342253345
You mean wet newspaper figter?
>>342254150
Did you miss that round when Tokido just start chain throwing the other dude until he was stunned /dead? He was conditioned, he would always believe a throw bait was coming, the same happened to you I guess.
>>342254386
Why didn't sega release VF6, this would have been the perfect time to scoop up all the disenfranchised players. With the true pro name (whether you think it is or isn't) like VF they would have been rolling in money.
>>342254442
Yeah he has to work hard but if he gets that knockdown and gets a right guess twice its basically over.
>>342254526
You can condition people in any fighting game. But SFV the risk to reward for crush counters is so retarded that you don't even have to work at it.
>>342254360
I can literally say this about anything, I can call the water bottle I'm holding right now "dumbed down baby shit with zero fundamentals, depth or complexity". Won't make it the truth tho.
>>342254065
In a way, that can be a bad thing. If the entire game is balanced around Ryu (which Capcom confirmed it is,) then that effectively means Ryu has no bad match-ups or problems despite the fact that the entirety of the V-skill system is meant to fuck over throwing fireballs.
Personally, the only thing I want to happen to Ryu is a nerf to his damage. He can keep the frame data, the fast dash, and everything else, but holy shit no one else comes close to the damage he can do in just 3-4 hits.
>>342254065
Damage
>>342252401
way bring up mortal kombat and injustice out of nowhere
When i lose I'm going off to play battlefield hardline
>>342254320
>>342254320
>not have technical issues
not true, it has many
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fE33Fe2474
>It even played like the same fundamental game it would become,
that is completely false, go actually watch some old sf4
>>342254912
No shit it has glitches but not the kind of things you're likely to see in most games. Like stupid huge loading times.
>>342254320
Didn't a lot of places jack up the damage handicap because they thought damage in vanilla was too low in general?
>>342254720
You could also DP out of this if you don't want to deal with it. Even if you get punished at least next time the opponent will be half-expecting another DP to come out, and you can take advantage of it.
When are we kicking this nigger from the lobby
>>342254360
These were also the same people that said there were no combos, resets, or OS. The same people that said Birdie was OP and that Ken and Ryu were the worst characters in the game.
Congratulations, you listened to retards.
>>342255261
That's still something that exists in every fighting game.
>>342254825
>>342254886
Ryu only gets insane damage off of jump ins though, just anti-air and control your space. Birdie gets way more off poke into bull rush and etc. Ryu is already a mid tier character with limited options, the only thing that can really elevate him is doing insane shit with parries. Nerfing his damage would make the character borderline unplayable and everyone would just switch to ken for the ridiculous pressure and almost as good damage as ryu has now.
Can't beat him kick him?
Gonna leave when i lose :^) then play battlefield
>>342255109
>but not the kind of things you're likely to see in most games.
Yeah, these one could actually ruin the game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPn8pDfjo0k
>>342255471
>Nerfing his damage would make the character borderline unplayable and everyone would just switch to ken for the ridiculous pressure and almost as good damage as ryu has now.
Hear me out. What if, instead of insane damage he can use his fireballs to control space. Crazy idea huh?
>>342255213
Don't bother anymore. 4 has become the new 3s and 3s is sitting with ST as old man legacy games.
You're going to hear about how much better, more complex, faster, more complicated, more intense, more skillful everything in 4 was and how it was perfect from day 1 until SF6 comes out. You're also going to have a bunch of pros that fall off the map, like snakeyez, who constantly bitches about how bad SF5 is compared to 4.
The man had to stop streaming three times because he went full LTG/DSP and bitched about lag, pressing buttons, low tier, etc.
>>342255213
Blanka's ultra did 600 damage in vanilla.
I really want to ''main'' Ibuki but I feel she will be too hard for a shitter like me
Hell I can barely play Ryu at a silver level
>>342255689
What if you just played guile instead?
>>342255437
I'm trying to help you get around the throw baits, I'm not talking about what SFV has in comparison with other games.
>>342255690
>4 has become the new 3s
I think EVERYBODY saw this coming, whether 5 ended up shit or good.
>>342255689
Fireballs aren't for space control, they're more like a high priority melee attack for dealing with characters who have insane pressure like karin. Obviously those characters have ways around the fireballs, but this is where not being a predictable shit comes into play.
>>342255859
I know how to get around throw baits. That doesn't change how absurd the risk/reward is.
>>342245620
>new Vampire
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAKill me now
>>342255808
She's already confirmed shit
Worse damage than ISIS and requires more work
>>342255327
http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2015/sep/12/i-feel-it-too-simple-yeah-too-simple-infiltration-discusses-street-fighter-5-fears-game-will-be-too-reliant-5050-situations/
>>342255808
She doesn't look hard to play but she seems like kind of a glass cannon
>>342255913
Of course, but due to the prevalence of social media and streaming we have to hear about it even more than before.
The funniest part is how a lot of the pros that are bitching about SFV are the very ones that were saying "SFV is Americas game. Japan doesn't stand a chance. They don't have a head start."
Then, once the season actually started rolling, Japan just steam rolled everyone except Infiltration.
>>342246065
SF4 is the perfect "baby's first fightan" game but any longtime fighting game fan know SF4 is shit, even compared to SF5.
>>342255998
4 had more ways around fireballs than 5, more ex moves with anti-fireball properties, more things like rolls and super jumps. And a universal focus mechanic that everyone had. And it was the most zoning heavy SF since 2.
It's all in the frame data.
>>342256252
>September 12, 2015
>>342247132
Sounds like it's JP being incompetent.
Not being able to meet already set deadlines and mispreading info and yet it's always capcom jp the one that blames usa.
Corporate gooks are as bad as western jews.
>>342256252
>>342256489
>video does not exist
>>342255998
The problem using fireballs like that is someone is going to jump in on one eventually and all that work is out the window esp against someone like karin.
even then karin doesn't need to jump she can do shoulder right through that shit or st hk and it will trade with fireball in her favor at certain ranges if your using them like a poke.
where did everyone go
>>342256252
> September
> 2015
Anon.
Everyone left the lobby ;_;
Last 1 for me samocamo
>>342256579
Everyone left because some faggot ruined the lobby with gimmicks
Ironically it can be compared to the release of SFV on launch to now
It's like poetry
>>342256386
Right complex setups and 1f links vs 3 frame buffers and medium buttons for days sure bud.
>>342256670
What was he doing?
>>342256670
he won because he was better than you shitter
>>342256670
Who was he playing/what was he doing I want to know why you faggots are so salty.
>>342256252
Wow an event scrubs article from before the game launched.
>>342256670
>gimmicks
Like what?
>>342256386
>game but any longtime fighting game fan know SF4 is shit
You mean the same people that didn't realize focus was a terrible stun punish until just before ultra came out?
Seriously go watch vanilla through AE gameplay, then watch ultra and you'll see what I mean.
>>342256670
Surely if he was doing gimmicks you could of figured him out, you're just mad cos you're bad
>>342256865
t. Cuck
>>342256743
>massive comeback supers you get guranteed every round
>neutral game shit on by focus
>mashable reversals with FADC safety net
>characters like El Fuerte who unless you're in the top .5 percent of players are complete fucking slot machines to play against
>meaties being absolute ass
Lower execution barrier isn't the only factor in learning to play fightng games champ.
>>342256913
5 bucks on Mika or Bison.
>>342257030
you upset
>>342257136
>>characters like El Fuerte who unless you're in the top .5 percent of players are complete fucking slot machines to play against
Yeah because there's no wrestler in 5 who that describes.
>>342257030
good meme
>>342257192
>5 bucks on Mika or Bison.
Bison isn't even that hard to fight though.
My guess is Birdie or Mika.
>>342257291
I realized that after I hit send though to be fair SF4 had several characters like this.
>>342257192
>>342257395
Fuck it, I'll get in on that action.
Mika or FANG
>>342257192
Bison? Get with the times grampa, Bison is shit now. He was only OP for like a month kek.
Input lag is just a simple, objective thing that you can use to knock a game. I doubt even 90% of the people talking about it are actually able to appreciate the difference, but I think what's really going on is that people are disenchanted with the game and just want something better.
People just don't like the rigid, RPS feel of the game and how every character's MO is poke into critical art/v-trigger and crush counter bait.
good matches dude, vega mirror is the most fun i've had all day
>>342250195
You can't just make shit up, anon.
>>342257136
Not the same guy
>>massive comeback supers you get guranteed every round
Ultras will never do more damage than it took to get them. Plus you pretty much always have to spend meter to use them, but they don't gain any super meter for the damage they cause. So if you beat me down and i ultra. You'll not only still be ahead in health, but you'll have super meter ready to go too. Where I won't have any resources at all.
>neutral game shit on by focus
He's going to focus, I should buffer into a special or use a focus break move or just mash two lights together. It's reads like everything else you do in footsies
>>mashable reversals with FADC safety net
Good luck doing any real damage if you never have meter. You're certainly never going to get that "gauranteed" comback
>>characters like El Fuerte who unless you're in the top .5 percent of players are complete fucking slot machines to play against
You serious?
>>meaties being absolute ass
That part is true. But to be fair players never really took full advantage of counter hit playstyles in that game because those weren't the popular characters. Smug was certainly landing meaties.
>>342257648
Fuck you. Maybe it's more of a personal thing, but I still have trouble dealing with some Bisons.
>You were expecting another throw mixup? Nope, have a Crush Counter, son.
It's even worse when he turtles.
Fuck sake someone just logged in with my account I was enjoying that vega mirror
>>342257192
>>342257395
I was playing Birdie, alex, fang, guile and had a match with vega. If he's the other birdie player he was doing unsafe and was allowing me to do guiles ST HP all day which is -4
>>342257136
You actually have to land the ultra though to benefit from it, focus is a part of neutral and not every character had a good one.
FADC of an invincible reversal is only a safety net if you suck and cant punish something thats -5. Are you really complaining about fuerte?
>>342257774
Not him, but Vega mirrors are some of the funnest matches I've ever played.
I wish Street Fighter V had better music.
When is Indestructible coming back?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdKB-6ueD4o
>>342257898
Isn't not getting thrown also a throw mixup?
>>342257136
>>mashable reversals with FADC safety net
????
>>342257898
L2 delay throw tech = you never getting thrown and not eating meaties.
>>342258068
Boy I hated that song when I first heard it. Then it went away in super and I wanted it back.
>>342258068
I unironically liked indestructible from day one
>>342258103
how come you only ever post the same few webms and don't post real matches?
>>342258103
The day I discovered that sakura's fadc backdash is always unsafe was a good day
>>342258068
Bro, SFV has its flaws, but the soundtrack isn't part of it. It legitimately outshines everything SFIV had.
Indestructable is iconic now, but I remember everyone hating it at first.
>>342257136
>massive comeback supers you get guranteed every round
Less comeback mechanics than SFV
>neutral game shit on by focus
Completely false
>mashable reversals with FADC safety net
Completely false
>characters like El Fuerte who unless you're in the top .5 percent of players are complete fucking slot machines to play against
Anyone above 1000pp can deal with Fuerte
>meaties being absolute ass
Completely false
>>342258103
>Cody will never be in SFV
>Cody will never break his chains with his V-trigger
>>342258343
The classic themes are kind of lacking.
Also weren't we supposed to get a theme by man with a mission?
>>342258343
FANG's theme is the best thing to come out of SF5.
>>342258378
His cuffs aren't locked he doesn't need to break them
>>342258343
I hated it when I first heard it, but now with time I enjoy that singer's Faux-Pharrell William style voice.
Much like how I like Pharrell now even though I hated him when he debuted.
>>342257774
GGs sorry to cut it short, I have my account on a mates console so he can have a copy of my digital games and he logged into my account
>>342258103
>>342258320
That's because he knows it's rather hard to react to in an actual match unless you're prepared for it. That or you'd have to be mashing like a madman.
>>342252401
You can't say "what the fuck is footsie" about 4 when you're writing an essay about how V is "the best design/balance of any fighting game." V has strong neutral, but no footsies. Remember that Daigo's advice for Ryu matchups is to just fucking jump or dash.
V has great balance in exchange for a bland as fuck roster that limits playstyles and lacks any real diversity. Everyone's buttons fill the same roles, pressing offense is more important than finding the ranges where you're stronger, where you limit their options. That makes it a weaker game by design than any other fighter out right now that isn't a NRS, and that's only because this game is NRS as fuck.
I understand that V is getting shit on hard, harder than it deserves, but damage controlling by badmouthing all of V's competition isn't the answer.
If juri can't
>hold fireballs
>becomes a rushdown
>can't combo in FSE
I think I may have to quit sf5.
>>342258558
We did. It came out a long time ago. Name of the song is "Survivor."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKdbdT9Cgb4
>>342258796
I really liked how a lot of characters in IV, especially the new people had things that other characters straight up couldn't compete at. Made the roster feel really unique
>rufus' instant dive kicks
>abel's rolls
>juri's retarded corner pressure, even before activating U1
>literally everything about viper/elf/hakan
Even older characters got cool stuff too. Say what you will about FADC, it let you get creative when you needed to.
>>342257938
nah I'm not that salty faggot.
I'm a pad player and was trying stick out for those games which is why none of my tick throws came out and I couldn't finish my BnBs consistently.
>>342258680
it's all good man, I think we both know that I would have ended up winning that last match anyways
>>342259026
If juri can't hold a motherfucker in the corner like her life depends on it, she may as well not be juri to me.
>>342257801
Ultras are still kind of stupid though. At least V-triggers/Reversals give you a boost or a chance to turn things around so long as you act on it, Wakeup/Hard Read/Random Ultras are just damage out of nowhere, take way too long to animate and are just a forced comeback mechanic. Sure you'll spend resources and damage scaling to land an ultra safely but why not just give the player leverage to deal damage through multiple mixups/inputs/resets and make a comeback, instead of free damage.off 1 reversal fadc ultra.
>>342256565
He's just repeating the Daigo notes, I think. Where the advice was to convince Karin to jump or block by throwing plasma right outside of her range because Ryu doesn't have buttons to press against her buttons at any of her ranges.
Can we just get a playable shadaloo soldier already?
I havent really watched much of the story mode footage, but it looks like the ASD-X whatever guy actually has a semi-unique moveset
>>342259026
Well, Ibuki lost every fun thing she had for kunai shit, but Alex came out fine. Think Guile came out a little too strong with his v-trigger though.
>>342259457
Bomb volleyball looks fun though. Should have at least kept her spin kicks.
>>342259360
I agree with you there. I'll defend ultras when people act like they somehow turn the game into vanilla marvel's xfactor. But that doesn't change that they could be better. The first thing that got me excited for V was the fact that V-triggers was basically what I wanted ultras to be.
If you took V's revenge mechanics and IV's meter interdependency/silly number of options. You'd have a fucking amazing game.
>>342259457
Except guiles damage outside of the opponent being in the corner where he can get boom loops is pretty mediocre without that vtrigger damage he just wouldn't be that competetive.
>>342254912
Stop falling for Arturo's lies. Vanilla 4 had issues, but it's gameplay really is just a rough picture of the rest of 4's lifespan.
https://youtu.be/zti53YuQcTE
>>342248383
because max is a faggot
>b-b-but he brings more people into a scene
but they would rather watch people play games than play them. also the fgc is a bit cruel to newcomers and its not very friendly and full of shit talk and drama
>>342258103
>cody ever using ultra 1
for what reason? No one's gonna pick an ultra JUST for punishing FADC backdash.
At least have your webms use ultras that were actually used in competitive play.
>>342259342
You feel me. I have motherfuckers afraid to move when I trap them in the corner as juri. She'll probably be Nash 2.0
>still slow as fuck
>has her godlike dash and normals to compensate
>V-Skill is a parry to get around projectiles
>V-Trigger is her PMS mode
>CA is Seichusen Godanzuki
Please, do it. She'd be perfect.
>>342259360
It's not damage out of nowhere though the opponent knows you have it stocked its their fault for getting hit by wakeup shit, random ultras only ever work if the opponent is doing dumb shit and a hard read should be respected because if you miss that read you eat shit.
>>342254912
People played differently in 4 because they didn't know what they were supposed to do, not because the game didn't work that way. Remember "pick a top tier" where LI joe mentions cammy and akuma probably being pretty strong. Despite people not discovering that shit for like 2 more versions. All that shit was already in the game, even in the supposedly defensive super, people just weren't doing it.
>>342259832
He can punish with U2 easier, U1 was used to prove a point.
>>342259815
Who's playing?
>>342259994
>>342259815
>rough picture of the rest of 4's lifespan.
>they didn't know what they were supposed to do
Not him but that is literally the same thing that happens with every game and not something special to 4
>>342259876
>sf5 is all about strong dashes and medium punches
>makoto is all about strong dashes and medium punches
Makoto confirmed top tier
>>342260410
Mechanically it's the nearly identical to most versions of the game. New generation isn't even remotely close to what 3s was.
>>342260441
If they follow the same pattern as other characters with air specials she'll lose neutral jump axekick and that shit will get a height restriction.
>>342259876
>>342260441
I main Ibuki and I legit don't understand how Ibuki got in at all, especially over Makoto. If "story" wasn't a factor, I don't think Ibuki would've ever come back. Hope Makoto and Sakura become the next two DLC girls for Season Two.
>>342260771
>Juri gets released
>she can divekick out of a neutral jump and a backflip
Probably won't happen, but I'd laugh my ass off.
>>342260914
I'm glad ibuki is in, she looks she plays like I always wanted her to play. Just going fucking nuts with high speed mixups, instead of vortexing, or whatever the fuck is going on in 3s. I don't care if other characters get the same thing for less work, I like having to learn all that shit.
>>342260914
Ibuki is insanely popular in Japan.
Capcom probably thought it'd be best to bait the waifu fags first.
>>342259815
karinfags are cancer
>>342261164
OHOHOHO~
>>342259973
But why should you get an ultra for free every round anyways? You have meter management for super, ex and fadc but you're guaranteed a huge damaging ultra with properties like full or projectile invulnerability, sometimes from full screen, which may or may not go into an extended animation. The V-trigger system gives you an offensive and defensive option using the meter built from taking damage, but you have to do work to get the damage. You can punish a fireball from fullscreen with Abel U1 or you could react with Nash V-trigger teleport behind and do a full combo/mixup. Difference is the latter doesn't break the flow of the game with excessive animation and camera angle shifts and relies on your execution/decision making when following up.
When's Oro?
Wonder if /v/ will cry when they "censor" his shriveled up old man dick, probably not.
>>342261005
They took away jumpback divekick in 4 you had to ex to do that i think it was going from AE2012 to ultra that happened.
>>342261740
It's just an ambiguous looking part of his sprite you silly goose. Probably season 2. Tengu stones V-trigger.
>>342259361
I'm not aware of any daigo notes but that was my own conclusion about the matchup
>>342261897
>AE2012 to ultra that happened.
Yeah, it's amazing the amount of "I need you juri" fags complained about that. While the real juri players were going "holy fuck I can cancel far medium punch into specials!"
>>342262046
nah that is a dick
>>342262057
Yeah, that's what the matchup feels like anyway.
The notes in question are some translated notes that Daigo's fuccboi Jiyuna shared once. You could probably find it by using their names as keywords.
>>342262164
It looks like the fingers from the one arm he bound.
But then again I wouldn't be surprised that /v/ is obsessed with dicks.
>>342261629
It's not free you have to lose nearly half hp to get it and even then you still have to land it and usually that requires spending 2 bar to FADC into it for lower scaling. Getting hit by an ultra outside of an FADC combo almost always came down to the opponent making a poor decision and the player capitalizing on it fun fact dont throw fucking fireballs when abel has either ultra stocked.
>>342262164
3D HD OLD MAN BALLS
SFV
#RISE UP
>>342259268
cheeky
>>342262472
His purpose in the story is to bang all the waifus
>>342258796
>no footsies
The fuck are you on about. Whiff punishing and poking at different ranges is footsies, and that's most of SFV's neutral.
>>342251882
>MFDOOM
>>342252017
Just rememberAll Caps when you spell the mans name
>>342262649
He seals one of his balls to avoid killing them by accident.
>>342261110
Agreed. Target combos and command dashes are practically my fetish, but I'm too dumb to learn Karin, so I'm glad Ibuki is back.
>>342261124
Maybe it's one of those "popular as a character, not as a fighter things." Sakura is the third most popular female right after Chun-li and Cammy, but even she didn't make it in. Didn't see much high-level play with her in SFIV outside of ChrisG and HumanBomb either.
>>342263229
Sakura's tatsu loop combos were so bullshit, I was offended by them even being in a game that i was playing. I'd like to believe other people felt the same way where they were too proud to stoop low enough to pick that scrub character.
>>342263516
I think some segments of the tatsu loops are 1 frame links, so you need pretty high execution to do them, probably why Chris G plays her, he's usually enjoys playing high execution characters
>>342263516
Sakura was one of my favorite characters in 4 because of tatsu loops.
>its june 30th
Fuck me
>>342263778
linking anything off tatsu was a 1f link
>>342249487
>I Need You Juri
Someone post the pic
>>342261740
Yeah, we need more 3S characters nobody played.
>>342262450
Why should you get a free super every round, just because you lost hp? Even if you spend meter to land if safely with scaling, it's still a forced comeback mechanic by means of burst damage. If you see some of the most hype and respected comebacks aren't just one light hit-confirm into fadc ultra, it's a number of consecutive mixups and reads, or just solid patience and outfootsie-ing the opponent and capitalizing on their mistakes to get the life lead. Ultra's are free damage, and combined with the fadc system its one of the reason SF4 is so low-risk/high-reward.
>>342264042
>Thanatos
>Kuroda
>Dirty Music
>Nobody
>>342264042
I rather take any 3S/Alpha 3 character over IV's inclusions. They can stay on Ultra and never comeback.
Instead of going back to that shitty SFIV garbage or any SF, why not play an alternative franchise? Like KOFXIV or GG. Hell, even Blazblue or KI. There are tons of options that are probably better for you than Ultra Shit Fighter IV or Input Lag V.
>>342264006
Any word on what her costumes will be? we know Ibuki has hand me down from Karin but will Juri wear?
>>342264385
Nice try.
You animu fags need to kill yourselves.
>>342264385
I played xrd when it came to PC, I like SFV more and I can actually get matches online
>>342264385
I'd play Kof14, but the netcode will probably be shit.
>>342264372
I hope they bring back Decapre
>>342264518
Then keep complaining about how USFIV is dying and how you don't like SFV, Capdrone shitbrain.
>>342264385
People complain about no footsies and mash and dash in SFV
Then they play KI
>>342264179
Except its not FREE DAMAGE you either have to spend meter you may or may not have to CONFIRM THAT SHIT or make a hard read and if you're wrong you get your shit pushed in. You act like every character is fucking blanka doing U1 on your wakeup for a 50/50.
Nash gets more damage on average doing random vtriggers which he can actually get for doing basically nothing against fireball characters.
>>342264623
It probably will, but let's wait until it comes out to make a judgment on that.
>>342264685
/v/ is not a single person, braindead weebshit.
Have been playing SFV since release and I'll keep playing it because I enjoy it.
>>342264507
Overalls.
>>342264749
I have only ever heard that KI requires you to have some real footsies. I don't have W10, but I'm assuming you don't either.
>>342241423
I'm glad I held out for Tekken instead
>>342264385
>>342244305
>>342245548
>>342245425
I don't even like SF that much but the anti-shilling is out in full force today.
>>342264372
Rufus > The Rest
>>342265062
>anti-shilling
It's straight up shilling, though.
>>342264950
I'm ranked high silver in KI on Win 10
You jump in and you use one of your thousand ways to get in then you just mash buttons and link a motion special into another set of mashes
End the combo with a DP and do it again
Dont even care about frame data thats for actual fighting games
KI
I don't get it, they wanted the game to be more accessible to new players but it sold worse than 4.
Most players are 09ers who got gud with 4 and know how technical 4 was.
>most inputs in this game consist of qcf/b +p/k
>hardly any charge inputs
>everyone's CA is literally qcf/bx2 +p/k except Gief and Guile
Guile has the more unique movelist out of everyone atm.
>>342265157
I actually like Rufus as a character but don't care about his gameplay.
>>342265245
>technical
It was shit shenanigans
You talk about all this command motion crap for specials but Melee is way more technical than SFBore ever will be and it doesn't even need that
>>342265230
Oh. Well, okay then.
>>342265497
I can respect that. You're okay in my book.
>>342265535
>pulling the Melee card
oh boy, don't you have a /vg/ thread to post in?
muh down B and c-stick smashes
I like melee more than any other Smash but come on, it's a party game.also Smash babbies couldn't do simple Ryu inputs in Sm4sh
>>342261740
Bitch you cant even do tengu juggles
>>342264950
>>342265230
I looked into learning KI recently and man, that game takes guessing games in fighting games to a whole new level.
The whole game revolves around the fact that your combos can be as long and as damaging as you want them to be, but in order for the combo to actually do damage you have to end it with an ender move, usually a heavy DP. In the middle of the combo the enemy can do combo breakers, and if you guess they're going to combo break you you can try a counter breaker.
Doing a combo in KI is like going to a casino, you have to make a whole bunch of random guesses that might pay off, and then you either manage to cash out or you lose all your money and get thrown out. It's online gambling with classic rare franchise as a skin.
>>342265853
Those are Tr4sh babies, they cannot hang with us Melee players. But
>clinging on to your artificial difficulty command motions as "technical"
>>342266219
>using the term "artificial difficulty" unironically
>can't even perform a DP motion consistently
This is a fighting game thread, Smash baby. You're lost.
>>342245334
My man
will behemothsenpai notice me today..uguuu
>>342265882
>using Tengu stone
Like using Temporal Thunder over Aegis Reflector.
When Chun players activate her V-Trigger online it feels like someone just hit a lag switch.
Fuck that overpowered whore and her dumb stand Fierce
>>342265535
500pp shitter detected
>>342265245
Guile is one of the few characters that doesn't feel like a cookie cutter. Shame Capcom looked at him and thought, "What do people want out of Guile? Gimmicky corner combos."
>>342265882
Yeah i can.
Cummy is top honest and commitment
>>342266219
>artificial difficulty command motions
lol, good one anon. I'm going to the arcade later today, maybe I'll play some Smash while I'm there-oh wait.
>>342266684
What are you bronze/rookie? As a chun player the only people that get hit by st.hp all day are bronze and rookie players who dont understand you can poke me out of it with lows depeding on character .
>>342266940
I was planning on going there to play SFV.
>>342264372
>>342264654
If story is a factor, the only SFIV characters allowed back would be C. Viper, Decapre, Abel, and maybe Gouken. Rufus, El Fuerte, and Hakan pretty much did fuck-all for anything in SFIV.
>>342266929
Cammy doesn't have to commit to shit in that MU she has buttons ryu can't do much about and a DP so he cant just jump them and when she gets in she's positive on most of her up close buttons.
>>342264762
Lets say someone does a random Ultra with one 2xqcf ppp input, and it hits you and you take full or at least 75% of the damage. How do you feel.
Compare that feeling to if a Nash does a random V-Trigger and may or may not do a full combo depending on his execution.
Also consider that Nash's may or may not have his V-trigger at the time since you could have been pressuring him hard and forcing him to use reversal. Also consider that Nash's V-trigger unique to him due to how he is designed, and every other character's trigger requires you to capitalize on whatever boost the activation gives you to maximize the damage, not just all or nothing.
I'm not dickriding SFV or the V-system, the game is flawed and the v-system isn't spectacular. The point is it just feels better to be given a chance to mount a comeback via an install mode which enhances your character, instead of a guaranteed ultra that just does all the damage for you. I like how some ultra's like Yun U1 and Makoto U2 puts the opponent into a juggle, and it lets you optimize the damage from there, it feels nice having the ability to work in the damage yourself.
If anything just answer me why should you just get the ability to potentially deal 500+ damage from one lucky guess/hard read with a single input in the first place.
>>342267242
>ryu can't do much
lol this matchup is entirely in ryu's favour.
>>342267495
Then why is the cammy in that webm absolute fuckraping that ryu player
>>342267749
because it's the best Cammy in the world
>>342266049
I remember an anon posting the best analogy for playing KI:
>We're playing basketball
>I score a hoop
>Then we flip a coin to see who gets the points
>>342267749
Because its fucking xiaohai. MU's and tiers don't factor in players skill. Players can only stretch the limitations of their character so much though, something that Xian is struggling with atm.
>>342264762
>pend meter you may or may not have
That really isn't much on an issue seeing as no one would ever use super in 4. So the only real case where you'd be fucked is if you have been spending meter on random exs thus were playing like shit anyway, or had just landed a big combo which in that scenario if you had ultra you would use as well. If we say it is scenario 2 and you just earned your ultra after chances are from that damage and whatever confirm you do you'd have at least one segment to do something
>>342267486
Why does nash have the ability to get 40-50% off a 3 way mixup that he doesnt even have to take damage to get access to?
When you eat ultra 90% of the time its because you fucked up and made a poor decision.
Also in my experience with nash having the options and normals he has he rarely needs to rely on vreversal as trigger is usually better as an escape tool as you can also get very damaging combos for little execution requirement.
Who should I play this week if I plan on maining Ibuki
Ive pretty much only played Ryu and a bit of Rashid
I feel like 900 health will fuck me in the beginning
>>342268114
I don't play F.A.N.G. but rooting for Xian and him taking that character far.
>>342268196
You know that you can counter Nash v-trigger on reaction with a crush counter button right?
Unless they use it as a combo extender or with a fireball, it's not hard to deal at all.
>>342268196
>he doesnt even have to take damage to get access to
So what you are saying is, he has to earn it with a certain play style if he wants to do it by not taking damage? So good play gets rewarded, that's fair
>When you eat ultra 90% of the time its because you fucked up and made a poor decision.
That is the same for eating a combo in vtrigger though, the difference is they have to keep working on their offence once using a vtrigger not just easy hit confirm into massive damage they can shit back and watch
>>342266950
I'm Ultra Silver and it's annoying to me, at least as a Karin main. Still beat 90% of Chuns I fight online though
>>342268505
>SFV
>doing anything on reaction
>>342268624
Different anon, but being able to build it with VSkill doesn't detract from the fact that a Nash getting his back blownout will still be "rewarded" with whatever hypothetical VTrigger setup you and anon are arguing about.
>>342268219
Literally no one plays like Ibuki. That said, here are her options, move-wise:
>DP
>Command dash
>Projectile
>Strike-grapple
>V-skill that acts as one solid blow/punch
Based on that, I'd recommend Ryu, Laura, or Karin. That said, Ibuki is combo/reset heavy, so I honestly think Karin would be the best fit.
>I literally bought a PS4 for this
We need Super SFV as soon as possible.
>>342268624
What do you mean earn? backdash and throw fireballs/random scythe if the opponent tries to throw fireballs just hit two buttons to negate it and build trigger and even without that its possible to get 2 triggers a match since they thought it was a great idea to give him a 2 bar trigger gauge.
You can't jump on this character because he has some of the most consistent anti air options of the whole cast and trying to play fireball games with him is always in his favor.
And nash doesn't have to work on any offence he can just let the opponent hang themselves because every character has to work to get in on him and he has 2 get out of corner options one thats nearly 0 risk and one that has a bit of risk but if you land it reaps great rewards.
>>342269268
Fuck off.
>>342268702
Yeah, Chun can be a tough matchup for Karin.
I main Karin as well and a turtling Chun player well aware of Karin's shenanigans is an absolute nightmare to play against. She has reliable anti-air buttons, easily outpokes you both in terms of range and speed, has a faster walking speed ideal for throw mixups and gets in for free if the player can do her instant air legs.
>>342268702
Chun has been overrated since day 1, don't listen to any horseshit that's trying to praise her.
>>342269570
t. Chun player
>>342269009
Why shouldn't he be rewarded? If h puts that much focus into being able to nullify there shit with his vskill then he gets a reward
And when he gets that reward he can't sit back and watch an animation play out he still needs to work
>>342269404
Wow it is so easy, see you at evo
>You can't jump on this character because he has some of the most consistent anti air options
Good joke seeing as his only option cost super meter which in V actually maters cause people do actually use it for super
>>342269570
After Wong won WW using 0 Chun tech, he said st.hp was the best normal in the game.
>>342269454
Karin players just need to react to IA legs with cr hp quicker or just about any buttons really st mp and cr mp both blow it up and if shes fireballing dont do the hcb+p use shoulder or just regular command dash and do buttons after .Once you're in chuns face the matchup is much harder for her and she doesnt get a lot off zoning people.
>>342268196
Why is your opponent being a complete tool and throwing fireballs your way until you build full v-gauge.
The point I was trying to make is that V-trigger is just an overall improvement in CONCEPT as opposed to Ultra. Nash's V-trigger definitely can random you out due to >8 frames and deal a lot of damage from a combo, but the combo is something you actually act on.
I agree completely with you in that being hit by a raw ultra is usually from fucking up and eating a punish. But again, why should you even have access to a ridiculous amount of damage in one input in every round anyways. Just imagine being able to the damage from a full jump in combo and then some, with added properties, just from a simple 2qcf motion. Why not let the player do the work and punish the move with a proper combo themselves, which is what high level players sometimes do to build meter instead. So why should the ultra combo in the way that it is in USF4 exist in the first place?
>>342269645
The tournament results certainly isn't there compared to Karin.
Everyone had Chun as the best character in the game back in February. Turns out there are only two good Chun players. One has to farm points in asia the other lost to a yuropean Zangief at Dreamhack.
>>342269846
Justin Wong has won MvC2 tournaments using Servbot and Roll. He could've won WW playing Rashid if he wanted to.
>>342269683
No, what I was talking about was that the VSystem is still tied to a revenge gauge. You can't just decide it isn't comparable to an ultra because you have another method of building the meter. Someone getting bodied will still build full Vmeter. Animations have nothing to do with it either. That anon isn't wrong when he says that the best and most frequent way an ultra got used was in a combo. So you have to land and earn that damage. Besides, the combos in V are so easy I'm not sure why you're trying to make this point
Most of what you said is right, but the reasoning to get there is off.
>>342270104
>You can't just decide it isn't comparable
well that's good, seeing as the conversation has been comparing them
>That anon isn't wrong when he says that the best and most frequent way an ultra got used was in a combo
Hey anon, guess whatmost people do that with vrtigger. But you just seem to really be avoiding the point that even if they just pop it in the open they still have to get a hit as well and then preform the combo, not just get a hit confirm into ultra and then no need to preform. Again, there is still more work needed to use vtrigger effectively that use an ultra effectively
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpoUwacJi0w
>>342268325
Same here actually, but I can definitely see that he just can't keep up with high-level players using better characters. Hope he manages to iron it all out before evo, I'd like to see him in top 16 at least.
>>342269683
His cr mp is one of the best normal anti airs in the game and cr hp is a close runner up he hardly needs to spend meter to anti air people unless you want to be absolutely sure or want the damage it does. And really what work is nash doing? 3 frame input buffers remove a lot of the work he might need to do on top of having basically the best forward dash in the game to mix people up. Ive never seen a good nash player go in on someone unless the match was hilariously one sided.
>mfw a karin player complains about another character being "OP"
>>342270652
She's a strong character no doubt, but can easily be dealt with if you know certain things.
For instance, she doesn't have a reliable anti-air without meter. Even with meter it can whifff sometimes depending on the angle.
>>342270603
>His cr mp is one of the best normal anti airs in the game
Best in the game? When it doesn't even work if they are too close? Just stop, your argument is off the rails
>>342270576
Except comparing combo's 4 had much more difficult execution requirements than 5 to get to that ultra where 5 is pretty much plink vtrigger after button and do easy combo if it hits or your safe if they block.
>>342270828
>Try to Crush Counter Karins blocked DP
>It whiffs because shes somehow crouching after she lands
>>342270828
She would be beyond retarded if she had a real anti-air. She's already oppressive on the ground. If you couldn't jump at her she would be Fei Long 2.0 aka a moving fortress that pins you in the corner the moment she walks forward.
>stopped playing because I need a new main
>thinking of maining Ibuki because she looks fun
>afraid of dropping the game after maining her because i will most likely be shit with her
What do
>>342271171
>my face when a Ryu whiffs a st. HK
>>342271039
I said one of and depending on the normal the opponent jumps in with it might even beat it up close and every characters anti air normals lose if you do them too late dingus.
>>342271160
>much more
No, more okay but 15 minutes in training and any good player should have a basic hit confirm into ultra down. You are being silly now making out like 4 had stupidly hard execution for everything
>>342271171
yeah, it sucks, use f.hp instead.
>>342270104
The problem here is Nash's V-trigger is a one time use and leads into a full combo which is why its comparable to an Ultra in that regard.
Take Ryu's trigger, timed install that boosts his moves, combo extender/yrc. Still not necessarily free damage/
Dhalsim's trigger deals continuous unblockable but recoverable gray damage and requires the user to follow up and deal a hit to take it all away. Good defense and use of reversal from the opponent can completely negate the affects of trigger.
Most Ultras are just glorified super attacks you get from taking damage the entire round.
>>342271445
>mfw i whiff my CC s.HK after a godlike read because of shitty hitboxes
>>342271203
Karin with a good anti air would be Chun-Li
>>342271593
literally 0 follow up and if i remember it KDs
>>342270576
Wait, that was your point? If you spent less time being snide and more being articulate we wouldn't have had this confusion.
I also disagree. You can buffer the two button input behind anything and you almost always get a combo or frame advantage. Every install is much easier to use than any ultra was. Chun's slide, Bison's slide, Ryu sweep all are a mixup on block. An ultra is a one time thing and dropping your combo or missing made you negative two episodes of Walker Texas Ranger.
Also, 4 does have a much higher execution barrier. You want to land Abel's like every Abel you know? Just try linking off step kick and then getting the cr fierce after CoD FADC every time. Or jump-cancelling with Ibuki/Viper.
>>342271572
It didn't but it required a lot more work than 5 and the odds were higher you would drop something in a high pressure situation because no 3 frame input buffer and combo's generally involved more buttons in 4 meaning more chances to fuck something up where in 5 its usually button button special vtrigger or super cancel.
>>342271714
Karin with a good anti-air, rekkas, fireballs and a meterless reversal option would be an unstoppable fuck machine.
>>342271039
Are you actually saying that in IV all combos are so much harder that it justifies getting to sit back and watch the damage roll in from an ultra compared to actually working for it? The gap is that huge between them in terms of execution?
>>342271637
Glorified supers that can't be canceled into outside of spending very important meter or tight links/counter hit situations not every character had access to.
>>342271663
I think she does go into crouch after a DP though.
I really want to see Balrogs, Juri's and Uriens CA's.
Too bad we won't see them in the story mode
Also I wonder why Urien is in the story mode at all
>>342271714
Chun Li can't get damage unless she's up close.
Karin has an SF4 sweep and she can actually convert pokes into damage.
>>342271773
Just tell me this. Do you think that Ultra combos are a good mechanic, in that it rewards the player with high burst damage potential just from losing hp?
One frame...
Two frames...
Three frames...
Four frames...
Five frames...
Six frames...
Seven frames...
Eight frames...
EIGHT frames, SFV has Eight (8) frames of input lag, ah-h-ah-aha
>>342271436
Play through Story mode and see if you like maining Balrog, Juri, or Urien. Then it's just a matter of waiting.
>>342272034
Its just the way her hurtbox moves on recovery you can hit her standing after ex the timing is just tight and its usually more consistent to do shit like f+hp rather than go for the crush counter combo and possibly miss it.
>>342272261
>Chun Li can't get damage unless she's up close.
Dude, Chun-Li can poke everyone to death. Her range is absurd.
>>342271950
meant for >>342271160
also >>342271805 stop exaggerating how hard it is, some combos were hard but you are making it sound like everything that went into an ultra was stupidly hard
>>342272417
>SFV
>playing the poking game
I guess that's why half of the Chun Lis who make it top 16 at CPT events can't make top 8
>>342272262
meant for
>>342272007
>>342272417
Have you see Karin's sweep and far roundhouse?
If you get hit by a stray cr.mp that an easily be hitconfirmed into big damage
>>342272813
Karin's sweep has great range, but Chun's sweep is faster. And Chun has all the tools to keep Karin out and from using her cr. MP.
Does it even hit low? I'm not sure.
>>342272470
And you make it sound like landing random ultras happened all day.
>>342272245
story is like 4 hours long? urien'sorganization brought Nash back to life
>>342272609
Yeah dude, and SFIV's Gen must be top tier because Xian won EVO at some point.
Repeat it after me: Tournament wins are not character tier indicators. There's still someone pushing the buttons.
>tfw took 4 days off on the end of june
i swear to god, if they delay again ...
>>342273146
chuns sweep starts up only 2 frames faster 7 compared to karins 9 has less range and is punishable at the tip by every other cast members sweep karins is not. As a chun player you can't keep karin out for long between guessing right on a jump or her doing shoulder to get in.
>>342273614
Forgot to add karin's sweep recovers faster than chun's too.
>>342271203
>She would be beyond retarded if she had a real anti-air.
Between standing and crouching fierce her AA options are pretty good, combined with her walking speed, she can move in and out of her perfect AA range to punish most jump ins.
And if she's willing to blow the meter (which more Karins should be doing) you literally cant jump in at her at any range.
>>342273157
That isn't what I said at all though. You made out that combos were so much harder that the added damage for an ultra which doesn't require skill to do after the command is fair. That just isn't the case, you can do some pretty easy ones
And at the same time you are making out that in 5 doing a combo is like playing rising thunder
>>342252401
>I beat you in rock paper scissors guessing game twice in a row that means I deserve to win the round
Literally crush counter.
>>342270084
>Justin Wong has won MvC2 tournaments using Servbot and Roll
Footage?
>>342273614
>>342273715
>chuns sweep starts up only 2 frames faster
That's all it takes. I have eaten enough random sweeps as Karin shortly after pressing her cr. HK in pressure situations.
>>342273729
I hardly ever see silver players drop their combo's where mid tier players in 4 dropped shit pretty often and ultras don't require skill afterwards but they require more skill to land to begin with and scaling was a factor too less damage from ultras you combo into some characters really suffered from ultra scaling in their combo's.
>>342273345
>Braid between butt cheeks
God damnit Cammy another fetish
>>342273545
I never said anything about tournament wins. I said top 16 to top 8. Chun is 3rd most in appearances but it drops off hard after top 16. Not saying she is bad or mid-tier but she has been overrated since day 1 and has underachieved expectations since.
What does that mean? She is a good character but not strong enough to go far in major tournaments. Whilst you look at Ken who is a good character who is strong enough to win tournaments.
I mean if you want to go by tournament wins Karin leads the pack but it's very clear at this point of the game Ken is the strongest character accounting for popularity, results, and frequency.
where my suffering gief bros @
>>342274237
Combofriend even said it himself that ken is the strongest character in the game right now. Chun is really good but her damage is lacking you have to guess right more than other people.
>>342273916
https://youtu.be/lHFCNN1nLcw?t=383
it was a money match but nonetheless still impressive doing it against cable/commando
Season 2 when
>>342274694
Winning in a money match like that is almost more impressive as you're beating a nigga who not only has more money than just a tournament entry fee on the line but ego too.
>>342274368
Surprising how popular Gief is online considering how fucked he is in this game.
Especially compared to Rashid and Vega who I never seem to fight any more
>>342249487
Don't worry anon, Juri will wear boots by default on SFV.
>>342275356
Grapplers have and will always be top tier at low levels.
>>342275356
Rashid is understandable as you have to put a bit of thought into how to crack your opponent but vega just do random slides all day can't neutral jump punish that shit anymore and even on block if spaced right isnt really punishable either.
So, what's the deal with Capcom and Mexicans?
El Fuerte was pretty based and they created an Aztec warrior just for this game.
>>342254320
Every fucking 3S player shitted on IV because it was too slow and no parry
>>342275739
El Fuerte's alt looks cool as fuck
>>342275739
AWAKEN MY MASTERS
>>342275739
pretty much a pillar men, copy of santana.
i love him
>>342246065
I'm sad I can't play as Makoto but god damn I'm glad Cody, Seth, Ibuki, Furte, and Blanka are all long and gone.
Fuck 1f links, and fuck FADC. I swear half the 'pro' community hates this SF5 because they just don't like it. I truly believe they don't like it because they can't bail themselves out of a sticky situation with a reversal FADC and they actually have to play smart
The game are really rough around the edges, but it is fun, regardless.
But I can't fucking play because of the retarded netcode. I know there is problems with IPv6 connections, but I get 5 bars p2p connections, and yet the netcode gives relay to me or my opponent everytime.
If I got p2p every time, the game would be perfect for me right now, since I would keep up with everyone, but right now, I don't even lurk shoryuken forums, since I can't even play to apply shit I learned.
>>342276420
Ibuki is here literally next week
>>342276420
>cant bail out with FADC
>now can bail out twice a round with V-Trigger
Wow so much more honest
>>342263935
>that fucking ken face
>>342276612
>implying SF4 Ibuki = SF5 Ibuki
lol
>>342276420
You realize less than half the cast had a viable DP fadc right?
SF5 is pretty weak but the shills against it are pretty lame though since they end up doing a false falseflag where it just gets people to hate they game they shill like any ASW, Kof or KI.
not ot mention a lot of SF5 folk have no idea how other games work so they usually say stupid shit that then snowballs into a flame war where the non sf5 gives his game a bad rep while the SF5 guy make the sf fanbase look stupid...again.
Not to mention that out of all fg games SF has the worst forums for their game: shoryuken with the alternatives being even worse places.
>>342249575
>>342252918
That was Capcom USA being retarded.
>>342242287
lol nah
>>342276420
>I truly believe they don't like it because they can't bail themselves out of a sticky situation with a reversal FADC and they actually have to play smart
????
>>342278160
Are you honestly defending this shit? They cant even agree if the 8 frames are a design choice.
>>342274097
Why should ultras even exist then, outside of being a flashy new mechanic advertised for sf4.
Why not just do what you used to do when you needed to comeback and play hard and smart.
>>342276991
She's worse because it looks like she's the only character in the game who can combo off an overhead.
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