So since the PTR has been out for a week how are we feeling about this.
>>342178443
I like it.
I actually like it, I feel like most of the homogenization was removed with the class re-works.
But it's unbalanced as fuck and needs fixing before it's official.
Iffy. Doing damage is fun again but losing a fuckton of utility is putting me off.
>>342179228
But the utility was the problem. What's the point of having groups if every class can solo everything?
Specs which feel completely different:
Enhancement Shaman
Discipline Priest
Combat (Outlaw) Rogue
Mistweaver Monk
Blood Death Knight
Survival Hunter
In general two things I find to be common with Legion class design is firstly that there has been a fairly significant ability reduction and secondly there is less of an emphasis on managing resources but instead pressing abilities on a more frequent basis. The specs don’t feel quite as fun to play as the current design but with the artefact this could change. Tank damage is probably the most disappointing thing to come out of these changes as it is absurdly low. I can give specifics about every class specialization if anyone is interested.
>>342178443
Just hopped on ptr for my BM and I fucking love it. I was planning on dropping my sub this month, but now I'm in it for at least another 3 months. Going to take some getting used to with no arcane shot and the new cds, but it feels really nice right now. The mog collection is stellar too.
I'm still not hyped about the story and haven't seen enough of the zones to judge them, but Legion is the first expansion ive ever preordered.
>>342178443
I'm very uneasy about playing a pure DPS class due to artifacts. Until you max out your main artifact, which may take a while due to costs becoming progressively higher, you are gimping yourself by not putting all your points into your main artifact. If you choose the "wrong" spec and invest all your points on its' artifact then you are making a massive mistake. The only viable pure specs will be the well-rounded ones with low ramp-up and decent AoE e.g. Outlaw and Destruction.
wait what, the prepatch is out ? Did the game change
>>342178443
Is that an evil Broken behind Illidan or a weird half-orc/Dranei
>>342180180
On PTR.
>>342180217
That's Akama
Hows Arms in the PTR?
I hated how they gutted the fuck outta Arms in WoD.
Battlegrounds are still a mess.
>>342180635
Arms is fantastic.
>>342180397
The lead up book made him seem much softer and reluctant then that evil-looking gormless face shows
Took a while for me to make Beast Mastery feel as good as it currently does in WoD. I still think the cooldown timers are weirdly spaced out, and it leaves a lot of dead time where you're really not doing anything, but a few talent choices can minimize that.
>>342179751
Are Frost and Unholy DKs rad? I'm currently frost ( Switched from Unholy during WoD), and I was wondering what would be good to go with.
>>342180779
>Whirlwind and Slam spamming
>Fantastic
>>342179751
Tell me about blood DK. Been playing blood for a long time and quite like how it is on live (though I miss Heart strike)
I actually like how skills feel engaging
Shame I wont be able to resub until the Patch finally drops.
Probably 2 weeks from now.
>>342181026
You forgot colossus smash and overpower.
My friend used to play Fury, but he's essentially quit WoW out of anger and frustration with how shit they made it in WoD. I don't play a Fury myself, my Warrior is Arms, but could anyone who does let me know how it feels compared to WoD and MoP's variation?
>>342181019
DKs now have universal runes and a fairly independent set of diseases. Unholy doesn't need any stacks to do the dark transformation and there's less emphasis on resource management. Probably the best aspect to unholy is you can get two pets and also change your ghoul to an abomination which has more abilities.
Frost felt pretty similar to how it does now but even easier because blood plague isn't even available. Additionally frost is now purely a one handed spec.
>>342179484
Group content requires groups regardless. Now we just have less tools to utilize.
>>342181234
colussus smash is a 45 second cd
>>342181340
I might switch to Unholy, then. I remember being a younger kid and hoping that they'd let me get more ghouls in the future, like I could be a cool dude hanging out with undead dudes.
Thanks for the response, anon.
I'm probably going to resub at some point.
But not at launch. That launch for WoD is the worst experience I've ever had playing video games.
>>342180224
And when public ?
>>342181587
The artifact weapon's ability for unholy is like a second, weaker army of the dead on a shorter CD
Looks tight
>>342181720
Stuff is usually on the PTR for 3-4 weeks. So probably mid to late July.
I don't think you need an active sub to play the PTR though.
>>342181690
Why? Aside from the connection and server meltdown issues the first two or three days, WoD's first month was its best time. For a while, people were even saying it was the best expac since WotLK.
>>342178443
They ruined sub rogue.
They can go fuck themselves.
I'm not playing their shit expansion and I'm not falling for their "we prumis moar content now xd it was a mistake :) "
I actually have no idea how to play this game.
I get all my chars from boosts, I need to get carried in BGs and I don't even touch arena.
WoW is not easy I have no idea what people are talking about. Too many fucking buttons and random shit to deal with.
>>342181587
Unholy is pretty fun right now.
>>342181970
That is correct, you don't need a sub to try things out on ptr. It's an excellent time for those of us who dropped out because of WoD to decide whether or not it will be worth coming back for Legion.
PRE
PATCH
WHEN?
>>342182094
> doturds getting confused when there is more than 4 buttons
>>342181069
For starters heart strike is back and is pretty much what you spam at a cost of 1 rune to generate runic power. Death strike now costs 40 runic power and heals you as usual. This alone doesn't suffice as protection and has to be used in combination with a new ability called marrowrend which uses 2 runes but grants you bone shield with 3 charges attached to it but each time you use an ability it reduces that charge by 1, You need to keep bone shield up because it gives you haste and reduces all damage by 20%. Additionally blood boil is charge based with 2 charges and a 7.5 second cooldown.
So it felt fairly weird switching between marrowrend and death strike but the worst thing is the damage is way down. At least bloodworms are back as a talent.
So what else from Chronicle and the Illidan book is the expansion retconning already?
>>342182176
~4 weeks away
>>342179751
tank dps was always cancer, anyone that wants to go back to MoP self-sufficiency is a retard
>>342182254
Shut the fuck up. WoW is
>follow your class flowchart
>don't stand in the fire
Its on the same level as ASSFAGGGOTS.
>>342182254
You can do decently at most specs only using 4 buttons
He's just retarded
>>342182424
THAT'S TOO LONG
>>342182094
Well if you're looking for an easy class in Legion look no further than arcane mage
BECAUSE THIS IS LITERALLY THEIR ENTIRE SET OF ABILITIES RIGHT HERE
>>342182094
WoW is shit since you need gear to do well, and until then you just have to get destroyed over and over until you scrap together enough points to reach the viable ilvl. Gear should be just aesthetic for PvP.
legacy servers when
Aff feels so weird. I feel like I'm missing spells or something, it just doesn't feel right despite my dps being good.
Do I literally only dump soul shards on unstable aff?
>>342182647
It pretty much is in Legion.
Ele shamans shit yet again.
News at 11
>>342182647
>Gear should be just aesthetic for PvP.
you can do bgs/arena naked on legion.
>>342182647
I just love when people complain about games they have done no research on.
>>342182647
It is in legion. Every ilvl past 800 literally only gives you a .01% stats boost in pvp.
>>342182846
Hey at least you get to keep your elementals
>>342182621
what the fuck
So you can't even frostbolt as arcane?
Whats those two on the top right?
for some reason I get annoyed by the fact that people are still playing this.
>>342182647
>MFW he hasn't tried the Ironman Challenge
>>342182969
no you can't
invisibility and time warp
>>342183026
>mfw when he think mememan challenge is hard or fun
I have no face because you're a faggot
>>342182621
Even balance druids have more spells.
>>342183026
>purposefully gimping yourself to make the game harder
I hate this argument. You can make any game hard by doing shit like that.
>>342183091
of course they do, druids are the chosen class
>>342182660
>Warlock post vanilla
Theres your issue.
>>342181870
>>342182159
I'm wondering if I should just drop Blood and go for Unholy, I like the twin swords but I'm starting to feel nostalgic for unholy. It's a tough choice.
>>342183260
Then it appears we've reached an impasse...
>>342183205
Fun for leveling. Annoying for raiding.
>>342183287
Frost is kinda boring I mean you spam hb(only if you have a rime proc), obliterate and frost strike the whole time, no downtime or anything just hardcore spamming of those skills.
>>342182846
In pvp ele shamans can dumpster on kids easy.
>>342182987
That seems pretty normal on /v/, everyone seems to get angry when someone likes something they don't like.
>>342183514
Now that you mention it, frost doesn't really have anything particularly interesting going on, it's just "hit stuff with blue glow" the class.
>>342182901
Wait seriously?
>>342183287
I'd say the reason you should drop blood is if you don't like how tanks in general play, and no other reason
The only reason to swap off a tank spec is to get away from tanking, and with the changes being made, it's hard to blame you
>>342183702
Maybe I'll hold onto it just for doing casual things with friends, or fast queues. Having two dps specs seems kinda counter-productive.
>>342183514
>>342183676
that's how frost has always been
>>342178443
Vast majority of class changes are horseshit. I was really hoping for better considering the rest of Legion looks pretty good to me, minus the order hall missions, but I can't shell out the cash for an expansion when the classes all play like such boring crap.
>>342183863
I'm starting to wonder why I was attracted to it in the first place
>>342183402
>Fun for leveling. Annoying for raiding.
Destruction was a lot of fun in Wrath. Minimal pet management and the rotation wasn't tedious.
>>342183828
They're doing away with dual spec, you'll be able to swap to either of the other specs without having to visit a trainer in legion, the question is though, which is going to be your main?
>>342179751
>Not mentioning the assraping that Ret paladins are taking
>Literal removal of hand of wrath and emancipate
>supplication now has the opposite effect where it is only triggered when people die
Fuck man for as long as I've played ret they've never been competitive enough to run rbgs since LOLdks and warriors always take the spot and now they're getting gimped to fuck.
>>342183686
yes anon
seriously
>>342179484
Utility wasn't the problem.
They're limiting the player and what they can do because they're too lazy to up the challenge on their content.
Lowering the skill cap of my classes for whatever reason, is unacceptable to me.
>>342183993
I think I've decided on unholy, I'm starting to fondly remember my time as one throughout WoLK, Cat, and MoP. I appreciate your help, anons
Still testing the waters with each toon. Debating who I'll main. Anything by a Paladin as I mained that in WoD. Holding off until Demon Hunters are playable before making a choice.
>>342184254
The only problem with unholy (and most specs) in the ptr is the lack of artifact. Most specs are balanced around with but you can't get them till legion.
>2016
>1,000,000 health blood DKs in ashran
I shit you not.
>>342178443
The PTR says Warlords of Draenor still?
Can I try Demon Hunter or anything?
>>342184385
>The PTR says Warlords of Draenor still?
Is a prepatch ptr.
>Can I try Demon Hunter or anything?
No DH just the revamped specs.
>>342184374
Weird.
>>342184374
Artifact doesnt fix shit for 70% of specs
>>342184607
It increase damage, change rotations and other kind of shit.
>>342179138
Wow has been unbalanced in one way or another since its been released.
>>342178443
Classes have lost so many tools I don't know what they expect pvp to look like in Legion. PvE you'll still do your boring old dps/tank rotations and it's up to the encounters to make them fun but pvp isn't getting any new BGs or world zones or anything and every single spec is losing the majority of their utility and tools so you're just gonna be spamming damage at people.
Hell they haven't even done any tuning passes for pvp on the beta yet, let alone actual mechanic changes. PvP has been dead for nearly all of WoD and I can't see it getting any better now.
>>342184676
>increases damage
big fucking surprise, a weapon boosts damage. Its still horifically unbalanced
>changes rotations
only a handful of artifacts can be used frequently enough to change your rotation, most are just a CD
>other kinds of shit
none of which fixes major problems. Im playing at cap in beta and its awful too
>>342183091
>bliizard sucks off druids again
What a shock.
I think there is no telling without artifact weapons. Some classes need them to function.
>>342184676
It doesn't really change anything for the majority of classes. Unholy's artifact is a really good one with an interesting active ability and passives that all affect the main rotation and give you good burst options but most of the other specs are just a bunch of boring passives that don't interact with anything and a single active that you'll just stack with your trinkets and other cds.
I mean shit, look at sub's artifact. The major passives in it aren't even functioning correctly.
>>342179751
>For the love of god tell me about Shaman.
I haven't played since MoP and Resto/Enhancement were fun as fuck. Don't tell me they've ruined it.
>>342184938
If you want to see a bad artifact look at survival
NO gameplay changes, half the passives are only usable for soloing world mobs and everything else is literally meaningless
>>342184820
>it's horrifically unbalanced
i'm actually going to disagree with this one
By giving every player using a particular spec the same weapon, blizzard can tune numbers easier
If a spec isn't doing enough damage they can just throw more numbers at the weapon, and because nobody else can use it, it will only effect the spec
It's up to them to make it work in their favor though
Still feels too early to know what specs will be strong or weak with the beta still going on. Enhancement does mongoloid levels of damage, but there's absolutely no way it ships out like that on day 1. Same for demon hunters and possibly frost/unholy. Hasn't stopped people from having complete meltdowns on the forums and in trade on the PTR though.
Who /retadin/ here
>>342184240
But it's not like vanilla had more spells than this and it was plenty hard.
>>342185396
but they havent, and thats the point
Furthermore, because artifacts can all be progressed they dont have the specs all doing the same damage. Maybe they are equal with 0 traits but when you start throwing in new traits it goes out of whack
>>342185659
time consumpting and tedious isnt hard. vanilla being hard meme needs to stop already
>>342185396
There's no way that some broken as fuck synergy between trinkets/legendaries/artifact traits isn't going to make it onto live.
>>342185874
difficulty will always create "tedious" gameplay, it was harder fucboi
>>342185874
I think the real issue is that vanilla has a mythical feel to it for a lot of people to the point where they only want to play vanilla because that was when everything was new.
Its nostalgia. There were tons of shitty things about vanilla, and BC, and Wrath, but since its not 'live' we tend to gloss over these things.
This happens only with a few MMOs, like SWG where they change the game so drastically people just want the old game back.
>Final quest in DK campaign still bugged
I-I just want to be a Deathlordand raise Darion as the 4th horseman after we fuck up and fail to raise Tirion
>>342186160
The problem with that is that SWG was actually good before they ruined it.
>>342185396
Disagree with you.
There is going to be unbalance due to the fault of the game design itself
With Druid and DH it's demonstrated that they can truncate and add specs when necessary and atm they have way too many of both, everything can be silmed down one way or another or add a different way to play.
They could easy cut down the specs, but I'm like everyone else is gonna give it a try,.
>>342186061
>trinkets
ah shit forgot about those
>>342186257
>raise darion
he's already undead senpai
>>342185054
Hunters have got it pretty bad in Legion, but I still think sub rogues got shit on the worse. You know how they backpedaled on the baseline Lone Wolf change for MM and ended up making it a talent? They did the same thing for sub but instead what they removed was the core mechanic that the entire spec revolved around, they didn't make it a talent but replaced it with the shitty, clunky shadowdance charge system, and they didn't even change all the other shit that relied on constant restealths to work. Instead they just added more crappy, shortsighted stuff as bandaid fixes that just make the spec less fun, like the +20% damage maintenance buff that you have to keep up now, can only use while stealthed or sdancing, is on the gcd, and costs so much energy that refreshing it with sdance means you just lost 1/3rd of your sdance time and energy.
Energy regen is absolute shit but the spec also throws combo points at you like no tomorrow which makes it flow like shit. The only slow it has is tied to a DoT finisher with a really low duration. Whereas sdance is fun to use on live because it means you can either burst or throw out heavy CC with your stealth skills, in Legion it's only good for maintaining your shitty self-buff and getting off one or two shadowstrikes.
And the worst part is when they made these changes to sdance they removed the bar-paging functionality that made sdance call up your stealth bar. COMPLETELY removed it, so you can't even call up your stealth bar with a macro or add-on anymore. Which means you need to have every stealth ability you'd want to use while sdancing bound on your normal, non-stealth hotbars/keybinds which makes the stealth bar fucking pointless in the first place.
Between this and the combat/outlaw changes Rogue went from being my favorite class to pure shit that I'd reroll from instantly if I was even picking up Legion at all. Assassination is ok, but only because it's practically the same spec.
>>342185659
I don't give a shit about the grind, I want challenge in mechanics, reaction times, and prediction.
I played Vanilla and the "difficulty" there was time investment, which I don't mind but really don't care for.
I don't play this game for the MMO shit anymore, I play it to be challenged in arenas and mythic raiding, and instead of creating an environment where I can stand out, they're trying to slap me in line with shitters I want nothing to do with.
>>342185396
Reminder that this is what they said about the Mastery stat, talent changes from Wrath through WoD, and a billion other shitty class changes over the years.
And in the end they NEVER fucking use these crappy systems to tune numbers easier. They still never do big balancing patches during expansions because "oh we don't want to confuse all the retards out there so we only make big changes when new expansions launch, you'll have to buy the next one if you want us to fix it"
>>342186160
No not that, the story was clear and unbroken, how come in Vanilla BC and WOTLK there were things that were bad but the game was generally good? Lore was fine, the story was fine, everything was updated. Like patches are 60% class, 40% lore updates.
Then came Catalyscm which is deemed a "reset" except they didn't reset anything. Outland and Northrend should of been closed down as well as several dungeons and raids and reused in COT. Now the story is broken, Blizzard doesn't care about the lore and everythign is appearing in multiples.
They haven't thought the game through.
>>342186428He gets fucked up real bad when you try to storm Light's hope and raise Tirion. You basically raise him from the dead again as the 4th horseman after he uses the last of his energy to make a portal to escape to Acherus.
>>342186435
>Between this and the combat/outlaw changes Rogue went from being my favorite class to pure shit that I'd reroll from instantly if I was even picking up Legion at all. Assassination is ok, but only because it's practically the same spec.
What's going on with subtly?
>>342186675
why do we have to be the only class in game to actually lose in our class quests again.
hows demo lock?
>>342186659
I don't know what game you've been playing anon.
Vanilla->wrath felt like you went out to the sea in the middle of fuck where and talked to an elemental then ran to winterspring then 60 minutes later you turned the quest in after killing eighty bears to raise your rep.
Remember the Waterlords rep questline for MC? Like that, that shit kept the game alive. Now they just throw shit at you and theres no struggle, just button mashing.
>>342182094
Pick a fucking class, read a guide, read the tool tips, and level it from 1-100 yourself using no boosts, heirlooms or anything; doing as much dungeoning as you possibly can
If you don't get the ropes by at least level 80 you're pretty shit and should just uninstall the game.
WoW is shit anyway nowadays
>30g download for a game I already have installed
JUST
Reminder that WoW is casual trash just like every other Blizzard product and that you should avoid these shill threads
>>342186951
>to actually lose in our class quests again.
the light hope chapel is not your class hall
>>342187130
what?
I said that we lose in a class quest. We go to get tirion, and lol the light stops us and we have to retreat like hurt puppies out of super secret paladin hall due to it. No other class in game go in legion loses a mission they undergo in, not like that
Hype as fuck
>mfw I got three of my friends back into the game
I feel kinda dirty... They were clean for like 2 years.
>>342187123
anyway to get around this bullshit?
>>342186814
If you never played rogue before, you might like it. If you liked rogue already, you probably won't like it. Every spec is losing shit that had been part of the rogue's toolkit since vanilla. Assassination is the only spec that gets poisons and garrotte now, for example. Outlaw is an even more boring and barebones spec than Combat currently is, and is only made enjoyable through an RNG maintenance buff that is so inconsistent that you could do godly DPS on one pull and pure shit on the next, and if you want to spec into a consistent replacement then the spec has absolutely nothing going on. Sub is entirely different, which is not necessarily bad, but in this case it is absolutely bad because the whole thing plays like complete shit. Nothing interacts with each other at all. The artifact ability and passives are terrible. You have less options than before. Shadowdance doesn't ping the stealth bar. Massive energy problems. Shadowdance in general feels terrible to use since the duration is such shit, you have to use it to keep up a maintenance buff, and it's up to RNG on how often you're regaining Shadowdance charges.
I always suspected that subtlety ended up as good as it did from cata to wod purely by accident, and this rogue revamp makes me certain that was the case.
>>342187326
When you can use addiction metaphors and not even be ironic you know your 'game' is really just a skinner box that sucks money.
>>342187296
Oh sorry I get it nowTHE LIGHT ABANDON NO MAN YOU UNHOLY MONSTER
>>342187443
I have been a rogue since vanilla but I was thinking of rerolling dh.
>>342187443
>Shadowdance doesn't ping the stealth bar.
What the fuck man
>Barrage
>one-stun kills
>Overpower
>>342187502
the worst part is that considering how mind-boggling selfless tirion is, and how he actually considered becoming the new lich king before bolvar stepped in, I think he would be totally okay being raisen as the fourth horseman. Aka it's just the silver han being little bitches a usual.
>>342178443
Windwalker feels way better, Mistweaver feels like shit. Hopefully the latter gets better at 110.
Why should I give a fuck about Legion over another MMO like FFXIV?
>>342187604
Yep.
Like I said, the worst part is that they completely removed that functionality. You can't do it even through macros or add-ons. Now you've got to have all your sdance skills bound seperately from your other rotational skills.
And after a shit ton of complaints Celestalon said it was intended and not a bug, that it was supposed to make our hotbars seem less empty since they removed so much shit.
>>342182621
As a facerolling arcane mage since 3.1 I can approve of this. It got convoluted during mist and warlords.
>>342187502
>but I was thinking of rerolling dh.
Demon Hunters are barely half a class. Two specs, with absolutely minimal amounts of abilities. Pretty much ALL their utility spells were ripped straight out of the Death Knight spellbook.
>>342187491
$15/month is trivial for the amount of time you get out of it.
That aside.. I don't play for the skinner box mechanics. I'm too old for that, full time job. I play to experience the world, quests, try all the classes, etc..
Legion is going to be awesome for me. All those class quests.. Suramar.. Great shit
>>342187694
>Mistweaver feels like shit
explain, it looked like it was getting much better
>>342187843
>not playing fem demon hunter with huge futa cock
>>342182621
It's been like that since Wrath.
It's all about dat mana management..
>>342187347
you could used to copy and paste the retail data folder to the ptr data folder and it would shrink the download
>>342188004
the Mana management Mastery is removed in Legion.
>decide to try ptr
>it downloads a little bit
>its now playable
>37gb left
>>342181340
>frost is now purely a one handed spec
>>342182621
ret paladins are 100% easier. Arcane charges require SOME management; Paladins just need to spend their holy power every 3 button presses.
>>342188004
Mana management started in cata. Arcane in wrath was AB AB AB AB arcane missile. Repeat
how long does ptr last?
>>342187843
Still better than the rogue
Not sure if I'll return. Haven't played in a while, since just after Tanaan Jungle went live.
However, if I do play again, it's between Enhance/Resto Shaman or Guardian Druid. I hope neither of them feel like shit in Legion. I haven't tanked a raid since Wrath, so that makes me want to pick up my good old bear again.
>>342188053
Wait.. Did they remove evocation?
>>342183205
Put up coe then spam showbolt. Wow so complex
>>342188263
nah you still destroy your mana, you're just not punished for doing it anymore (aside from being unable to cast spells when you run out, obviously)
>>342188243
im going to test enha shaman right now
>>342188263
No, but overall it's vastly reducing the need to manage your mana. Your Mastery gives you more Mana in Legion, and it doesn't affect your damage at all.
You still have the burn/conserve. It just doesn't matter at all if you fuck up because Arcane Power doesnt last long enough to dump all your mana anyway.
>>342188201
What did they do to rogue?
>>342188408
Let me know how you feel about it.
>>342188608
Going to set my bars and test enha
>>342182094
I want to believe this is a satire of the kind of players progressively ruining this game.
>>342188408
I like what they did to Enhance. I was a fan of Enhance back in Wrath, and I hated how they kept adding more and more shit it since then. Simplifying it back down was a good move.
>>342187942
Effuse and Vivify both feel like the exact same ability, except one also heals 2 nearby friends as well. Ideally Vivify would be used for AoE damage and Effuse would be used for single target, but right now there's no reason not to just spam Vivify since mana's not an issue.
Stances are gone, which means you can do your melee rotation without having to switch stances. Problem is if you're like me your healing buttons were different for each stance, so you gotta re-teach yourself how to melee if you ever plan on doing that.
Speaking of the melee rotation, it's pretty bland. You only have three buttons, and you basically just go 1-2-1-3-1-3-1-3-1-2, while occasionally replacing a 3 with a 2 depending on an RNG proc
And the icing on the shit cake is that none of your talents feel any different from live, except now if you want your Jade Serpent Statue you gotta talent for it. The only one that feels new is Mist Wrap which lets you channel your straw while moving, but once mana becomes an issue you'll probably end up taking Lifecycles which is just a boring static increased healing.
I could go on but you probably get the idea.
>>342188179
Nah, paladins now have their own version of colossus smash that they need to take into account
>>342188894
It has an 8 second duration and an 11 second cooldown. It doesn't even need to be managed.
>>342184919
They are still sucking off druids but only after they broke their legs first.
Is it possible to play Warcraft 3/Throzen Throne on Windows 10?
>>342188824
Is fistweaving viable or just gone entirely now?
>>342189210
Yes. And Diablo 2.
The thing I'm most excited for is the transmog update.
>>342188608
>>342188782
I don't like the fact that we lost flame shock but fuck it the maelstrom generation is good, you have a few ways to use it not to mention you have to manage several buffs like boulderfist and flametongue.
>mfw using sundering
WEW LAD
>>342182085
Fuck rogues. Glad you're gone.
>>342189331
Fistweaving's completely gone. You can still do your melee rotation which doesn't cost mana anymore, but you don't get any benefit from doing it other than a little bit of extra DPS on the boss.
>>342182159
How do I get into PTR? I want to play
Did they dumb down Arms warrior even more?
>>342189463
>warlocks
lmao
>>342189667
>Tfw they fucking removed Gladiator Warrior from the game
Stupidest fucking bullshit. Jesus christ are they fucking dumb.
HOW IS DEMO LOCK REEEEEEEEEEE
>>342189667
They actually feel better than they do on live, especially Fury.
>one hand spear
fucking finally
>>342189517
Fuck that! I always like leech healing even when it was gimp like fistweaving, so of course they remove it rather than make it even semi worth while
>>342189775
Pretty comfy tbqh senpai
just sit back and send an army of imps and doggos to do the work for you
>>342178443
a couple friends played it and said the new animations are really cool
thats all Ive heard about it.
Pirate rogue is cool and shadow priest is a complete rework again.
Feeling kinda optimistic since expansion soon but prepatch will probably end up being like 2 months long and wont be fun when legion hits
>>342189862
Do they feel anything remotely close to atleast Cata/WoTLK state?
i stopped playing when MoP hit, i felt like they dumbed the spec down way too much
I really hope Unholy doesn't become the FOTM.
I've been wanting to try them out for a while now, but it seems like everyone's getting hyped.
>>342189369
It's gimped from what was said at Blizzcon.
>>342182094
>illidanstr
>dkphobos
>moonmeander>I have the name Artour, Arteezy, ArtourBabaev, Rtz, Rtc and sever other player names across multiple realms and accounts on eu :^)
>>342189369
transmog is cancer, kill yourself catababby
>>342190050
>Pirate rogue is cool
No is not.
>shadow priest is a complete rework again.
Yes they new spriest is pretty good.
>>342190218
lmao @ your life kiddo.
>>342188520
>>342188201
Were Rogues destroyed?
>>342189463
Rogues are going to be even more annoying in pvp, so have fun with that. Sub is not nearly as fun to play but it's also unpeelable.
>>342190242
git gud shitter
I stomp scrubs like you
>>342190218
transmog is life, kill yourself neckbeard
>>342190297
Yes.
>>342187129
Go on any other video game thread and they say the exact same thing about the game they're discussing, please put a bullet through your skull, you autistic piece of human refuse.
>>342190358
consider suicide, shitter
>>342189369
>not having twin shamans and challenge mode sets
fucking plebshitter.
you will NEVA EVA
>>342190378
WHY
>been a Destro lock since BC
>all these shit changes
RANDOM DAMAGE AND TAKING AWAY BURNING EMBERS? FUCK YOU BLIZZ!
Now blizz just needs to nerf druid cyclones and I'll be happy. Fucking druids need to burn.
>Gladiator Warrior is kill
>>342191703
It was killed a long time ago breh
Like two years ago during highmaul
>>342183528
no they cant, gimme lightning bolt on the move or i aint playing that shit
guys help
in legion do i play
arms/fury warrior
whichever dk spec is cool
arcane/fire mage
or ret
I cant tell which class is good if Im rolling with greens, also we dont start at max honor, theres so me extra spells/passives/buffs with each honor tier which doesnt really determine which class I wanna play
So far I wrecked with warrior and hunter, but I feel like I could do more with balance and spriest if I could use extra shit and not get one-shotted JUST
>>342183205
Demo looks fun in legion
>>342192553
They're all goodexcept armsand blood, but that's only because tanking in general is garbage
>>342191703
really small percentage played with that talent
>>342193054
yeah so i suppose its either ret, fury, fire, arcane, or frost dk
>>342190170
no its not
>>342193283
Fire/Arcane are both garbage. Blizzard is neutering Fire so baddies can play it and making Arcane even MORE boring.
>>342178443
I want to get back to WoW /v/ help me
>went to see that shit wow movie with friends
>hated it
>yet I'm excited about being a faggy ass Illidan and want to play the game again but missed the last 2 expansions and now I have a job so can't play it 24/7 like I used to
what to do
Also I was a huge PvP tryhard, Arenas+RBGs
>>342193490
Wait i thought it was the opposite. i thought frost was garbage and arcane and fire were garbage.
okayyy so i guess i'll cross those off. desu i havent been paying attention to wow since mid mop
How are Unholy DKs shaping up?
Every fucking time.
>>342193594
All three mage specs are shit, nobody cares about Frost though because it's always been shit.
>>342193586
Just play Warcraft 3 again.
>>342193747
Okay, i guess i'll finally move away from casters then.
Ret/fury/frost dk or unholy dk
>>342184985
Enhancement is all about using shock like abilities that also give you self buffs. You build Maelstrom instead of using mana now, with the majority of your spells generating Maelstrom and Lavalash/Stormstrike consuming Maelstrom.
It's a fucking blast, having Rockbiter and Flametongue again as temporary buffs along with your Stormstrikes buffing party members when you use it gives a really good unique feeling to the class.
>>342193828
Stay the fuck away from Ret. It's awful.
Fury is looking pretty good with some of the best animations and sounds in the game. Whirlwind alone is amazing.
>>342193828
Frost if you enjoy being a walking blender.
Unholy if you enjoy diseases and ranged combat.
I hope they do a character service sale sometime before Legion. Want to make some changes.
How are healers doing this time?
>arms is finally not shit
WEW
>testing fire
>all them new effects
>huge fire around my hands
>flying phoenix out of nowhere
Playing make never look so good
>>342193648
Are you one of those guys who cares about the pointless leveling process?
>>342194352
Too bad it basically boils down to two buttons.
>>342194568
Arcane mage here, thats twice as much buttons as we've had for most of WOD
>>342194568
I would say 3 because is fireball, inferno blast and pyroblast.
hows moonkin?
How are Rogues doing?
>>342194501
it's so great having a huge world that's 98% pointless
>>342194851
Assassination is the same, they add more dots I think.
Combat is super shitty right now because they removed insight and now is all about using a rng finisher.
Subt is pretty shitty compared to what he have now.
>>342194827
it's been overhauled in a huge way
AGAIN!
other than that I've got no idea
>>342194965
Assassination lost Dispatch but added Garrote as another DoT.
>>342195034
did they remove the shitty cycling crap?
>>342195095
Yes.
>>342194886
It had a point in its day, but its illogical to go into Legion and whine about non Legion content. Either way, levels are archaic and should outright be removed from the game.
>>342179968
>no arcane shot
what the fuck is blizzard goddamn doing?
>just remove all the iconic OLD FUCKING ABILITIES EHHEHEHEH
shitties goddamn company, of course they made that shithouse of warcraft movie. only they could fuck it up that bad LMAO.
>>342194965
I hope they "fix" Outlaw Rogue before launch, the shit with True Bearing is the absolute worst.
>>342178443
>game finally gets to be decent again and direction looks solid
>too tired of Blizzard's shit and the game in general and have lost all interest by this point
>zero hype regardless
shame...
>>342186659
i agree it the wayb they butchered the lore was really hammered home when i watched the warcraft movie, which wasn't that good but still it made the story seem important
now we're full infinite universe with multiple versions of characters and everyone coming back from the dead. its like DCU meets naruto. if they made a movie about the story of legion who would be the main character? your fucking mage billybob? i mean you're the "class leader" right?
the story is at an absolute standstill, they stopped doing anything that made sense with the major characters after cataclysm. the whole garrosh story and the stuff with jaina and rewriting the lore to include pandaria and now involving alternate universes in the main story and all that nonsense they just really made it feel like nothing even matters
the major patches used to meaningfully advance the story. what happened to that?
>>342182094
Goddamn all the gear looks absolutely fucking shit now, big part of why i stopped giving a fuck about this shit. Progressively looked lamer and lamer and sets had less relevance as time went on.
>>342195541
Marksmanship still has arcane shot, except it now generates focus
>>342182094
Oh and if this is true you should kill yourself, wow is the easiest shit in the world even vanilla.
I simply wish it didn't cost so much money to play this game.
Im fine with being a casual wow player and just doing BGs and guild stuff.
But why do I got to pay so much? Other games I just pay once and never get asked for money again...
>>342196201
pay it with gold
>>342196086
I remember getting kicked out of an lfr for being a bad tank on archi because other tank didnt taunt off me when i was ported to star thing
QUICK SOMEONE TELL ME HOW MY BEASTMASTER IS GOING TO BE I'M NERVOUS
>>342196291
How easy is it to farm gold?
Can I just do the daily quests or do I have to grind?
>>342196364
mindless as always
>>342196364
My best friend is a hunter and he said bm is super shitty right now, like 2 buttons rotation.
>>342196413
I'm not sure, right now farming gold is really, really easy because of the garrison but that's going to be nerfed to oblivion in legion.
>>342196331
The other tank doesn't need to taunt. He will automatically take aggro because he is the second highest on the threat table and you are not a valid target.
>>342196445
oh thank christ. Fire Mage? I'm one of those retards who was going back and forth between super good and super shit combustion damage
>>342196589
Combustion is being turned into a generic 2 minute CD that gives you 100% crit for 10 seconds. Also you can't stack a Heating Up with a Pyroblast! proc. You have to use PB as soon as you get the proc or your crits are wasted.
I for one am excited for Roll the Bones shit for Outlaw Rogues
>>342196896
Have fun being told to respec if you want to raid anything harder than Normal.
>>342197059
It can't be that badright?
>>342196896
you're a cuck
>>342196538
Is it true there will be a new Warchief? I liked Vol'Jin
>>342197262
Voljin is going to die during the broken shore event
He survive the fight but die from his injuries
His body is burned in a pyre
>>342197359
Is it actually confirmed he dies? I know it was confirmed he was "missing" or some shit.
>>342197423
>Is it actually confirmed he dies?
Yes.
>I know it was confirmed he was "missing" or some shit.
Not really, people said he was "missing" for some reason I don't understand but he is dead.
>>342179751
As someone who started in WoD and only played Protection Pally, how much whiplash is Legion going to give me?
>>342197113
It's literally non viable. 80% or more of your DPS is tied entirely to an RNG dice roll. I am a Raid Leader for a Mythic guild and I have made perfectly clear to everyone who is playing Rogue in Legion that they will not have a raid spot as Outlaw unless things change significantly before launch. I don't care if it's an offspec they play on farm content or some shit, who cares in that case, but they aren't playing it on progression.
Outlaw
>Does inconsistent overall DPS
>Can't hold its cooldowns for burst phases
>Has zero unique utility
>Has shit survivability (Curse of the Dreadblades, an effect of their artifact deals damage to them)
>Competes with specs/classes that are actually useful for gear
Just not worth having.
>>342197423
there was datamined a coffin with troll motifs as well as dialogue that implies sylvannas is the leader now
>>342197530
Here Lies Warchief Vol'Jin
He Didn't Do Anything
>>342197606
That makes sense. I knew Outlaw had RNG tied to it but I didn't know it was that bad. I mean I could stick to Assassination but it seems like it's still the same boring spec.
>>342197607
also. wtf did they do to her face!
I've seen men have more attractive faces, I'd look look at Voldemorts face
>>342197756
Made her look more like a corpse
>>342197756
her face and midriff were problematic
>>342197756
shit I didn't really pay attention to her face in that cinematic, I thought elves were supposed to be pretty
>>342197747
Assassination is a little better than it is in WoD. It's a legitimate DoT spec now, rather than a 2 button snorefest. It's not fantastic but it's better than it is.
>>342197863
naw chill with that, my warrior, priest, and rogue are all Forsaken girls.
So for the sake of "Realism" is Blizzard gonna make them look like men too?
>>342178443
I've been in the beta for a little over a week. Class campaigns and artifact traits are heavily gated, world quests are interesting but once you've done the ones you want and are waiting for your next class campaign mission there's not much to do but sit in a dungeon queue. The leveling experience is pretty nice and the class changes are interesting. I hope they listen to feedback about how little there actually is to do once you hit a certain point. There's still a shitload of broken stuff though so who knows?
>>342197756
She looks like a guy in drag. And not even a feminine guy.
>All warlocks now have soul shards
>It's all combo point bullshit
Combo point systems annoy the fuck out of me. I'm not even sure why.
I'm glad they got the summoning circle shit in the talent tree, hated being balanced around a leash in pvp. Especially since I play random BG's alone.
>>342190218
No it's not, end yourself wrathbaby.
>>342197606
>I am a Raid Leader for a Mythic guild and I have made perfectly clear to everyone who is playing Rogue in Legion that they will not have a raid spot as Outlaw unless things change significantly before launch.
You also forgot to mention that you're a faggot. Stop acting like a shitlord and let people play what they like.
>>342198548
>I'm not even sure why.
Because half the specs in the game have it?
>All 3 Warlock specs
>All 3 Rogue specs
>Feral Druids
>Ret Paladins
>Unholy Death Knights
>Enhancement Shamans
>>342199025
shamans don't have combo points bro they have maelstrom power
>>342199175
They still have the shitty stack to 5 for Instant Lightning Bolts cast thing don't they?
>>342199008
When it comes to Mythic raiding, what he thinks is perfectly valid.
>>342199269
Not in the ptr and that thing is not combo points at all.
>>342199008
He's right actually.
Moonkin plays like ass, it just feels stiff as shit
Give me back my old Starfall dammit
>>342197607
>Sylvannas leading the Horde
F U C K
O F F
>>342199507
you can meme as much as you want but she is the warchief
>>342196364
Looks pretty good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EA1xwKKt9dw
Feels like an actual Beastmaster instead of just a guy with a bow who happens to have a dog bite people.
>>342199507
she is tho
>>342183205
Warlocks were literally tier S+ in MoP.
>>342199507
>>342199607
Gonna drop another spoiler on you so be ready.Yes we have seen Voljin's funeral and its presumed that he has died and Sylvanis has temporarily taken over. However. In the latest build the achieve for killing the city leader has changed from Voljin toSaurfang. Objective: Damage High Overlord Saurfang until he humors you by pretending to die.
>>342199847
That's because Saurfang is in charge of orgrimmar, he is the orc leader but not the warchief. Also Voljin gave her the title of warchief before dying from his wounds.
>>342188087
It hasn't downloaded the textures yet.
It'll keep downloading them as you play.
>>342199975
Yeah but in the beta hes on the throne there. I'd say even if she is the leader of the whole, she has no real sway over Saurfang and the people or Orgrimmar after the shaky past.
>>342199607
>>342199714
>>342199847
>We have to put up not only with Blizzard being shitters in their handling of Sylvannas even more, she's also in charge of everyone and uglier than a Vanilla model
>>342200181
Like I said he is the regent lord of orgrimmar that's why he is on the throne room but he is not the warchief.
I hope protection warriors can level effectively because that's what I'm gonna start my artifact as. Too bad glad stance is gone, that was a lot of fun early in WoD until they nerfed it and it never became competitive with arms/fury again.
>>342179751
>The specs don’t feel quite as fun to play as the current design
So they managed to make it even worse?
>>342199008
When you push progression content you will understand that what he says is perfectly reasonable.
People don't wanna babysit shitters and special snowflakes during the raid night when it comes to actually getting shit done.
Alot of people have lifes outside of WoW and don't want to waster their time.
>>342178443
Does it have the new animations? If it does I'll install it right now.
>>342190218
Transmog carries wow hard, we need to get rid of recolors clogging up transmog and just get armor dyes in this game and it would be perfect.
>>342201369
Yes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glZfVFxTR6k
>>342195136
Hey fuck you, I'm new to WoW, playing thorugh with 2 very veteran WoW players and I fucking love leveling. I've played around 5k hours of ARPG's and have come to thoroughly despise leveling in video games and WoW still is really fuckign enjoyable, to the point where I already have alts rolled for when my friends aren't on so that I can still play and level, don't fuck with that just because you're a whiny faggot.
>>342199426
I feel the same way. I enjoyed Wrath Balance because Eclipse was something different. My favorite time with the spec was Cata. Haven't been a fan since. Now it's just a builder+spender like just about everything else, just without something meaningful.
Like Shadow Priest, I build up and shift into Voidform and have a fucking ball. On Balance I get to dump Starsurges or Starfalls. Yay?
>>342199305
>>342199370
Only shitters need to minmax for mythic. Idiots who know how to avoid a fire can mythic regardless of build.
>>342201846
kk bro
Where's Maiev?
>>342181498
It has a chance to reset.
>>342179751
sub rogue
am i the only one that still plays this
>>342201901
You rescue her in a dungeon or something
>>342201889
I haven't kept up on the spec but, what's the kerfuffle over, Roll the Bones?
>>342201996
He's mad that nobody will want to bring Outlaw Rogues because they offer absolutely nothing to the raid because their DPS is RNG, their survivability is shit and their utility is nonexistant.
>>342201996
Roll the bones and the fact they removed insight.
>>342192172
You ovbiously haven't played them at 110 with pvp talents.
you can dump people w/ 2 lava bursts
>>342202096
>>342202113
I heard it was performing below the mark during the Alpha, but I had a feeling it'd end up being trash with Roll the Bones being what it was. Generating procs is one thing, but that level of RNG is completely different.
Then again Legion is turning into an RNG fest so I guess we shouldn't be surprised.
What are the different tank specs like now?
>>342180830
No, it still made him seem like a treacherous asshole. Even more so, because he planned the betrayal from the beginning.
>>342202278
It doesn't even matter what its "average" is, even if that average is high. Unless it's brokenly overpowered to the point that it trivializes encounters, nobody is going to want them. I'd rather have an average DPS than someone who is sometimes great and sometimes completely fucking terrible.
>>342202296
Guardian is good, Prot Warrior is good, Prot Paladin is kinda lame but looks flashy, Brewmaster sucks, Blood DK is a complete travesty and should honestly just be removed from the game at this point.
Mythic raider hereas if that fucking means anything, still feel like I need to qualify myself as a non-casual though
>Only healers that recieved any significant changes were Mistweaver and Disc
>Mistweaver was absolutely trashed as a spec. Numerically it's fine, but the unique feel of the class is gone. It's nothing but shitty feeling AoE smartheals now.
>Disc is a new hybrid DPS/Healer. It'll either be overpowered or underpowered. I don't believe for one second that Blizzard will be able to appropriately balance it.
>Tanks had their active mitigation nerfed. It now feels like you don't control incoming damage. It happens regardless of what buttons you press. You're a glorified DPSer that holds aggro.
>Massive prunes. I can fill 3 entire bars in WoD. In Legion, I won't be able to fill 2 on most specs.
>There's actually world content this time. So yay for that.
>Mythic+ looks decent but I don't think it's going to be content that lasts us the entire expansion. Something to do on offnights for the first tier? Sure. Anything beyond that? I doubt it. It's basically CMs without the rewards at that point. I'm kind of indifferent on it.
>I don't pvp so I won't comment on that.
ANYTHING is better than WoD and I know the raids are going to be fine, which is all I really care about. I dislike the prune but it is what it is at this stage. Nothing is gonna revert it so might as well let it happen. I'm just happy knowing that there should NEVER be another prune in World of Warcraft. They can only go up from what it is now in terms of buttons to press.
>>342201407
transmog saves the art team from scrutiny of their piss poor designs
pre transmog not a day went by i didnt hear someone in my guild complaining about how bad current gear looked and they weren't wrong
theres only so many variations of simple good looking gear you can do. every set since ulduar has just gotten busier and cluttered with effects
meanwhile the BC sets still look fantastic and ooze class flavor
>>342178443
That fucking Akama in the corner.
Illidan paid for being too kind and not killing him at the first sign of betrayal.
>>342202546
rogue t18>everything
the mythic one ofc
>>342202440
Oh absolutely, that's why those kinds of abilities just do not work in multiplayer games, MMOs or otherwise. Any role shouldn't have the majority of their success left to the game's RNG mercy.
>people constantly shitting on outlaw even though taking slice and dice solves the biggest complaint about them
Like do you even look at the talents?
>>342182341
>what else
What did it retcon? They literally wrote Illidan and Chronicle as a lead up to this expansion, so I find it hard to believe they retconned anything. They probably wrote story for Legion at the same time, they can't be that stupid.
>Nature's Swiftness has been removed from Druids
Oh god why. I feel empty without it. I'm healing fine without, but it's had the same keybind and action bar spot since vanilla.
Also, the ghosting thing you appear as for a second when you change forms is gay as fuck..
I might quit Druid after all these years.
>>342202762
So Outlaw takes Slice and Dice, now they just do mediocre DPS while also offering nothing else to the raid and competing against useful specs for gear. Or, I could make them go Assassination, which, with Marked for Death, is one of the burstiest specs in the game and extraordinarily good at dealing with priority adds, or Sub, which is just plain better. Outlaw is fundamentally tied to RtB, it's the entire spec in one ability. Take it away and you just have a shitter rogue of another spec.
Outlaw is bad.
>>342202762
Picking snd is a huge dps loss.
I picked up WoW a month ago, friend got me all the xpacs and is power leveling me.
I have a boosted 100 Shammy
and a 80ish DK
I'm more interested in playing the DK because me and my friend can Tank Healer combo and insta q. However we plan on playing PvP, I pvp'd in a lot of other MMOs but not Wow. He plays Druid, is DK a good choice to partner that too? Dont think I can get a Warrior/Pally to 100 in time. How fucked are we?
>>342202546
Theres' a lot of cool armor in wod/mop and transmog means you can look at individual pieces of each set and judge them seperately.
Also the belt slot actually getting models of it's own saved one of the shittiest armor slots ever.
>>342202993
Been alternating Balance/Resto Drood and Ele/Resto Shammie for nearly 8 years now.
I can't take the abuse anymore.
>>342201586
I meant the PTR. I assume you thought I was asking about legion since you linked a video talking about Legion and not the PTR.
>>342203206
Do you want to hit 100 before legion? You have plenty of time.
>>342203098
>>342203169
>mediocre dps
>literally the aoe spec
>it does less single target than the single target specs
TELL ME MORE OH GREAT MASTER, TELL ME HOW CURRENT COMBAT IS WORTHLESS BECAUSE IT DOES LESS THAN SUB
>>342203206
Blood DK is complete garbage in Legion. But you said PvP so who the fuck cares.
>>342203295
Legion prepatch is on the PTR, it has all the Legion shit.
>>342203206
If you're entering casual BGs or arenas it doesn't matter. DK is real fucking strong with a pocket healer though.
>>342197606
So what are going to be must take dps classes? Mages and druids?
>>342203325
>>342203353
Should I roll a Pally or War then?
>>342203351
meme as much as you want faggot outlaw is a shit spec.
>>342203247
now if only we could get full cloaks instead of just a cape
>try installing PTR
>they took out heroic strike
The straw that broke the camels back for me; fuck this shit game.
So Rogues are now Useless: The Class?
>>342202440
RIP Blood.
Give me back MoP classes.
>>342203516
outlaw is useless but the other specs are far better (even assassination).
>>342203516
No, on the PTR at the moment, Rogues are the highest DPS by a LONG shot, followed by Enhancement Shamans.
Both have their damage WAYYY overtuned. Don't let what people say about damage discourage you from anything.
Changes have been going nuts right now, the only thing that's confirmed dumpster fire is PvP. The new PvP talents and system are GARBAGE. Healers are utterly worthless and Melee 2 shot people.
>>342203439
Demon Hunter x2. They're getting DK mass grip (DPS DK's are losing it) so they're basically mandatory. Then Two Mages for dat burst. Then an even mix of others so we're 5/5/5/5 on tier tokens, or as close to as possible.
Ret Paladin x 2 and Shadow Priest x 2 looks really good for a tough Execute phase as well. Ret Paladins get a 50% damage buff for 10 seconds whenever an ally dies, so have your Shadow Priests Surrender to Madness 10 seconds apart and do FUCKHUEG DPS as you enter the home stretch, then your Paladins both get +50% damage for 20 seconds as the Priests die.
>mfw pandaland cmode sets are being re-used for shitters to have at the end of a quest line
>>342203516
Assassination is great, sub is okay. Marked for Death is really, really good for dealing with regularly spawning, high priority adds and general utility. They're an easy pick for a raid spot.
>>342203678
>Healers are utterly worthless
good, healers aren't supposed to be PvP tanks
>>342203620
>>342203678
Oh good, I hated playing Combat. Sub is my go to now
>>342203516
Their role has changed literally 0, the same specs are still good at what they are supposed to be good at
>>342203484
I've wanted actual ring/necklace models since vanilla
y'all motherfuckers lied to me, to everyone. Guess what? /v/ was WRONG AGAIN
Warlords of Draenor is the most underrated expansion ever, and after really putting a great deal of time into it, I have to say it was one of the better expansions. It's not what everyone was probably expecting, but it's a lot more functional to the player than a traditional expansion, so it is really doing new things for the first time. And I think that's what is great about it
>>342203917
is this from reddit, mmo champion or the official forums?
>>342203917
(You)
>>342203718
Source?
>>342203718
>oh shit another chance to get the mage set
>check the new one
>mfw
is so fucking red
>>342204119
what is it from?
link?
>>342204157
They were posted on wowhead a few weeks ago.
>>342203917
>it's a lot more functional to the player than a traditional expansion
What does that even mean? 1/10 for effort
@342203917
You'll never get one of my prized (You)s
>>342204157
They coem from completing your class hall questline iirc.
They're the base models of the CM sets but recolored and have some of the details removed.
>>342204456
>golden
>no stupid wing things
the new one is better
>>342204574
>>342204456
post more
>>342204574
>no retarded shoulder glow
>better color scheme
this one is also better
>>342195987
Forever LFR confirmed.
>>342179138
But the game was most fun when it was broken.
Every class was OP in their own ways, by making them all underpowered and boring everyone lost.
>>342204456
only shoulderpads are changed
>>342204670
>>342204509
>muh minimal all armor should look like regular real life armor in a fantasy game
kys faggot
>>342204757
amazing post faggot
>>342204797
Nice meme
>>342204648
fuk u fgt i h8 ur fkn guts google it urself nerd!!!!!!!
Here. The blue sets are them. Click on the set you wanna see and then hit the "View in 3D" button in the top right corner.
http://legion.wowhead.com/item-sets?filter=13;7;0
>>342204670
Personal preference. The DK set is absolutely fucking awful though so I'm happy the 1 of 2 I got was on my DK.
>>342204736
Colors are different too famalam. But yeah, they're basically rehashed unique sets given out to every single player that will play the game :^)
>>342204974
the dk one is perfect, the new one is so fucking green
>>342204757
You do know the most saught after armor in the game is preBC normie looking shit right?
My mythic sells doesn't make a fraction of what selling a full set of jade, Mail combat, or silver threaded
>>342205060
rare != good
>>342205052
Fuck you faggot DK CM set is nearly perfection. The horns on the helmet are the only thing holding it back.
>>342205147
That's what I'm saying faggot. The new one is ugly as fuck.
>>342180779
Arms is terrible atm, it feels like a free time project of some intern in Blizzard. No synergy between abilities what so ever. RNG fest too. You spam slam none stop until you get a CS proc then MS once and you keep spamming slam. Since they killed sweeping strikes there is no cleave advenrtage so zero reason to play. Go fury
>>342205106
No, but there is way more rare shit then stupid shit like Hyperion and Glorious armors
>check this with blood elf female http://legion.wowhead.com/item-set=1270/battlegear-of-the-shattered-abyss#modelviewer:10+1
LEWD
>>342205197
Work on your writing skills then!
>the dk one is perfect
This is implying that the new one is perfect since that's the topic of conversation!
>the new one is so fucking green
This is implying that you like it being that green!
God I hate you!JK I love you I just misunderstood what you meant.
>>342179751
>combat rogue completely different
thank fucking GOD this boring ass spec got a change up. hopefully sub doesnt get destroyed in the process.
>>342205272
whoa momma
>>342205334
WELL OK ENGLISH IS NOT MY MOTHER TONGUE
>>342205272
Good
OG female armor was best, we need more HD slutmogs, especially since they're going to work on adding in chestplate models rather then texture skinning.
>>342205392
DELETE THIS
>>342205459
Every chestpiece is custom made for demon hunters to show a lot of skin. This is because of their tattoes.
>>342205498
Still doesn't change the fact that we need OG blizzard style back.
Now that hiding your shoulders is a feature, they better be working on new robe and chestpeice models.
>have purchased every expansion
>farthest ive played is on my pallly who is in outland in the mushroom forest place
>only partially paid attention to the story so i dont really know what im doing there
I fucked up.
dam wod was shit
>>342205801
why do you have my screenshot saved
>>342205801
At this point as long as there isn't a patch like 6.1, Legion will come out ahead.
If they can get around to improving the leveling experience from 1-100, I'd learn to live with the pruning.
>>342205801
So far legion isn't shaping up to be better
Hopefully the mythic only dungeons and attunement based progression will solve the content drought though, but as long as Ion insists on forcing RNG/Point grinds, the game will forever be shit.
>TFW artifact power is just new valor
>TFW RNG loot tables doesn't make copy pasted faceroll loothallways any less boring after the first time
>>342206040
What exactly was wrong with 6.1?
>>342205801
>the SELFIE patch.
>>342206140
That was the selfie patch wasn't it?
>>342183950
because procs are fun
>>342205641
The leveling story is completely fucked. Here's a timeline.
Vanilla WoW. You're just an adventurer travelling the world.
TBC. We travel to Outland and kill Illidan.
Wotlk. We travel to Northrend and kill the Lich King.
Cataclysm. The world is torn asunder. The vanilla world that we knew is gone. What you experience now leveling 1-60 is after the Cataclysm. We kill Deathwing and save the world. Thrall becomes green Jesus.
MoP. We find a new land that the Cataclysm revealed. The Alliance and Horde race to claim it. There is a slain Old God that has affected the land and Garrosh takes it's heart to gain more power and to try and make a True Horde.
WoD. Garrosh escapes with the help of a time dragon and goes to an alternate Draenor where he prevents the blood from ever being drunk. They invade and we counter-invade. We finish the expansion killing off a big bad demon.
Legion. The legion invades Azeroth and we must fight them off.
The lore has steadily gone downhill and it really wasn't that great to begin with.
>>342190076
unholy is the "go to" spec for anything aoe which is like %95 of the content. pretty interactive gameplay too considering other abominations (aka Arms , DH etc)
>play Fire Mage since WOTLK
>recent iterations have always been bad early in the expac and then ridiculous later with good gear because crit skyrockets
>Legion: "we're going to try and make it so you're more viable early"
>nice, that'll make early expac less painful
>your spec will now be more consistent in damage
>hmm well thats okay, but...
>no longer have cool moments when your crits go out of control and you drop a ton of DPS at once
>no longer have to decide when to use your cooldown on Combustion in order to maximize DPS and take advantage of a high Ignite
>phoenix flames automatically replace Pyroblast and are consumed immediately instead of letting me choose when to time it with my cooldowns or the raid cooldowns
This class is going to lose what made it fun at the cost of being "consistent" isn't it?
At least the graphical effects look cool, although there should be three fire orbs when I have three phoenixes stored.
>>342206140
>Selfie and twitter integration
>More daily/weekly garrison grinds
>no real content
I don't even think Watcher knows what the fuck "content" means, but hey, as long as the 2% mythic raiding scene is still world firsting he's content.
>>342193628
so great that it looks and feels like Blizz only worked on that and Ench shaman
>>342206140
Added a Selfie Stick and Twitter integration and that was it.
A raid unlocked too, but it was a raid that was in since expac launch and was promised to not be 6.1 content.
It was the first content patch since Vanilla to not have a subtitle and trailer too.
>>342194327
it is though, have fun spamming slam none stop all day erry day
>>342203353
>it has all the Legion shit.
No it doesn't. If it had all the Legion shit it would be Legion, not a prepatch.
>>342206484
I'd rather spam slam then micromanage 20 RNG procs
Seriously FUCK the proc based system, give me back all my good abilities.
>>342206256
It's really a shame because Blizzard has this really fucked up view on how to make the whole world feel alive. It worked in Vanilla-TBC because the influx of players at all levels had people doing shit and there weren't 6 iterations of the game worth of landmasses.
Now we have all these places and art that just sit there and only serve one purpose, level through. I'd kill to have a reason to go back to fucking Red Ridge of all places that isn't just the leveling experience.
But no we're not going to add old world content to the world quest system, fuck you. It's the world building (or there lack of) that kills the immersion. It would be fine for some of these zones to be locked in a time capsule during the leveling process. But if we were given more reasons, aside from the artifact quests, profession quests, and class hall campaigns, to go back to a beaten path to see what's up and what's changed. We would then have a proper "World" of Warcraft.
>>342187123
data capped fag reporting in
fucking infuriating
>>342205392
>The Demon Hunter changes for Leather chest armor
>Demon Hunter Customization in general
>Compared to DKs, which is literally 3 faces and 3 skins per race
I'm actually kinda salty about that.Demon Hunter Order Hall set is amazing on the female models though.
>>342187123
Remember Star Wars The Old Republic? Well, do you know what people who play that game have to put up with? Many of them have to re-download the entire game through a slow and buggy launcher every time a patch comes out.
>>342206742
Imagine this.
>You hit level cap
>The entire old world enters a new phase after you complete a short questline
>Old contested zones are now conquerable by guilds
>World is seeded with max level mobs, rares, ect
>there are also exotic crafting mats all over the place, like "perfect" versions of old world gems which give minor bonuses to crafted goods, which add up to better items
>there are also rare BOE items that temporarily give you super buffs, similar to ashran, but not died to that shitty zone, but world wide instead.
>Every day there is a legitimately hard world boss running around killing shit, who drops good loot
>BM is literally a 1 button macro spec again
>is shaping up to be the best of the hunter specs
Who's ready for more salty tears from fags who have to hit more than 1 button
>>342207068
>updating the whole game to max level every time the level cap is raised.
>>342207157
I wouldn't mind a 1 button DPS rotation if I could actually do more then raw DPS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbBKOmMgInM
>>342202475
>Mythic+
it rewards raid quality gear after some point though thats why they said it will last long and will be an alternative to raiding
>>342178443
>open question
>followed by 2 shill posts
Did you marketing firm learn nothing from WoD? You can't fool me this time.
>>342207068
I wouldn't update every little thing to max level, the world quest system is a fine replacement for that kind of change though. And if they added in level scaling for the leveling process then I think we'd get an even better overall experience.
>>342207308
It'll last longer
The playerbase wont.
There is only so many times you can copy paste the same faceroll content before poeple go back to compaining about the lack of content.
>>342207401
It really comes down to whether or not Blizzard adds new 5 mans. I think they are trying to gauge how viable it is as end game content before the dedicate more resources into pumping out 5 mans. They already said they will include one more new 5 man in 7.1, but aren't promising anything after that.
>>342206256
>What you experience now leveling 1-60 is after the Cataclysm
This is actually really bad for new players because majority of all the content in the revamped zones are just nostalgia wank off material for Vanilla players
So many references that new players simply will not get. Who is Mankrik? Who are the Defias brotherhood?
Every decision they've made since the end of wrath onward has just alienated new players. That's the games biggest problem is retaining new players. The Cata areas and leveling in general is so braindead there's no worth getting invested and end game just filters people in LFR to be burnt out.
What's funny is looking back Vanilla and TBC were probably the most casual friendly because the game didn't just burn you out because you didn't finish it in a week
>>342207589
Doesn't matter if they add more 5 mans, if you can beat tem in a day then everyone's just going to become utterly jaded.
Tahts why WOD tanked so hard, once everyone hit 100 they could see all of highmaul, and by now most WOW vets know the current ilvl based gear scaling is fucking boring, and gets replaced by welfare gear every single patch
Legion's saving grace might be the mega dungeon in 7.1, or the fact that legendaries do more then increase your DPS by 5-20%
>>342206742
There are a lot of things about FF14 I don't like but keeping old content relevant and being run at max-level was something I wish more MMOs would do.
>>342207306
>used to do this back in the day
>the sea of tears because hunters could solo this and make mad doh
I really need to get my hunter to 60 on Kronos
>>342207603
And they don't realize this, there is literally no incentive or investment for new players or even middle tier players. The game shits everything out at you too fast for you to have any investment in the rewards, and because there's only Mythic left to do, people bounce within 2 months of subbing. So what's the point?
Then on the other hand what's the incentive for a long standing player to help out newer blood get into the mix? Right now if I tried to get someone to play this who never had, we'd have the recruit a friend bonus, sky rocket to end game and what then? So my incentive is getting yet another level 100 character to sit in a garrison, and lost the potential of a friend to do shit with because he experienced everything he needed to in a couple weeks.
Gone are the days of logging on with two bros leveling through Vanilla then Outland when TBC was on the bend.
>>342207949
I give XIV a lot of credit for the simple things. That is one of them, and attunements are the other. But the game is too shallow and boring to keep me entertained.
>tfw I miss playing my DK dearly
>But WoW has been shit since WoD
>I bought into the WoD is good meme at launch
fuck you cunts I have been unsubbed since feb of last year. Games gonna go 14 months without a major content update. This is the 4th time blizz has said this wouldn't happen. You deserve to get shit on like I did.
>>342208291
>majority of my friends started playing in the middle of Wotlk before revamp and dungeon finder
>leveling with them through Vanilla content was one of the most fun experiences I've ever had
People give wrath a lot of shit but its one of the last times this game actually felt whole
>>342208291
>Tfw spending hours and hours and hours helping guildies through scarlet monastery
>>342206256
>Garrosh escapes with the help of a time dragon and goes to an alternate Draenor where he prevents the blood from ever being drunk.
This happened in WC3 or right before it, right?
>>342207603
>The Cata areas and leveling in general is so braindead
Im lucky enough that even though I have been uber casual at WoW in terms of dedication i did play the original vanilla content pretty far through. Everything used to be better.
The removal of skill trees irked me (even as a pretty casual player) because I felt like I lost most of the agency of speccing my character. I know there are alright reason for why the loss of the skill trees is pretty irrelevant, but fuck that I want control over my shit.
Then there is little stuff, like that really weird skin-tight rainbow plate armors you get in low-level cata content. What the hell is that?
I want to play the game in the Wrath era again, but private servers just always feel dead. I dont even like playing WITH people directly, I mostly solo PvE, but I like having others around doing shit, too.
>>342208669
Orcs drinking mountain dew is before they even came to the human world, so thats before WC1, although some of them had some code red in WC3.
>>342208607
And that's when everyone who had any love for designing this game left. Which is why we've had now 6 years of apathy.
>>342208621
>Helping two dudes get both the Defias set and the set from Wailing Caverns
>They used them for over 10 levels
>I'd do it all over again if I could
>>342208669
>just always feel dead
Because majority of them are hosted in third shit holes and "populations" consist of a small group of turbo autists.
Every single TBC server I've tried is fucking garbage with either instant 60s, unscripted Vanilla content or donation bonuses
Kronos is only decent right now because of the Nost refugees and that they just opened a new server.
>>342208850
Did they drink the blood before they destroyed their world? If they go back, don't drink the blood, don't destroy their world, they have literally no reason to even go back to fuck with Azeroth.
>fire mage
THEY TOOK MY FUCKING BLAZING SPEED
HOW THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO GO FAST WITHOUT BLAZING SPEED
>>342208669
No the orcs drink the blood in WC1
>Demonology isn't actually about pets
>Pets are just a debuff with a client side model instead of a spell effect
ONE JOB BLIZZARD
YOU HAD ONE JOB
>>342209496
>Unholy is more of a pet spec now
I can't wait to have lumbering Abominations explode on niggas while my Patchwerk and Skeleton Archer fuck shit up.
>>342209496
How would you do it then?
>>342209679
Even something as simple as having 2 demons at once would have been infinitely better.
Of course, this is neo blizzard we're talking about.
And this asshole is running the show, and has no idea what so ever how to design a video game, let alone an MMORPG, he just likes making raid bosses and hates when people beat it a different way, its why the game went to shit after Ulduar.
I thought about trying to get into wow again if legion looks good, since I used to have a lot of fun with my FDK, I checked what they are goona be like
>universal runes
>no blood tap
>no plague leech
>km only works for obliterate
>no more 2hand frost, which I find a lot more interesting to play than dw because you have to pay attention to the swingtimer and get a feel for your downtime unlike the buttonmashing with dw
well I guess not then...
Do blizzard really only want literal braindead zombies playing this game?
>>342209035
>Kronos is only decent right now because of the Nost refugees and that they just opened a new server.
Is kronos progressive? I dont want to play straight vanilla for long, Id love to dive into the TBC and wrath content.
>>342210003
>Is kronos progressive? I dont want to play straight vanilla for long
What, as opposed to gay vanilla?
>>342210437
french
>>342210003
No Kronos is just vanilla progressive. The only good TBC server is Vengeance
>>342209167
They baked Blazing Speed into Cauterize. It's fucking retarded. Not to mention making Blink a FUCKING HEAL
>>342210624
Is there a good Wrath server? The Moltens have high pop but run like shit, right? Id rather have a moderate pop and stable gameplay.
>>342209897
Killing Machine works with Frostscythe and Frost Strike. KM working on Obliterate was garbage because it made Obliterate not scale with anything.
>>342210774
oh, the class preview reads
> Killing Machine now only affects Obliterate, and making wise use of its effect should feel more meaningful.
I guess that's outdated then? (btw the last part of that sentence is so stupid, it hurts)
how does the dynamic for km procs work then? I think it's very important to make players think about how to make sure that they use the correct ability with their km procs (like fs>obliterate for dw and obliterate>fs for 2h used to be )
>>342210773
Warmane is alright.
>>342211246
Basically at the moment Frost DK's just take Obliterate off their bars. Frostscythe scales with Mastery, is AoE and has a 400% crit modifier when used with KM, so there's no reason to ever use Obliterate.
>>342182621
Well did you try MM? I heared it is ablastto play now.
>>342211278
That runs wrath content with WoD models?
>>342211807
so when you proc km you try to use frostscythe rather than fs then?
>>342211917
Oh wow look at all those abilities it's just too bad FF14 is shit
>>342212002
Yep.
>>342178443
Loving it. Every class feels fresh again.
My only problem with it is that they've really cut down on the abilities.
I know I didn't use most of them, anyway, or they were just carbon copies of other classes abilities, but I miss feeling like I have tons of options.
>>342179138
Its the same as every pre patch. At least this time its the dps doing broken dps and not healers.
Mop pre patch with hpallies using holy shock to 1 shot people was much worse.
>>342212130
that does sound somewhat interesting then. What is frost scythe vs howling blast like? Do you start spamming frost scythe once you're above a certain crit threshhold or something?
I'm still having issues with the universal runes since that basically encourages spamming you best move rather than using the best move according to the kind of runes you have
>>342211917
>tons of buttons is a good thing
why do people think this?
>>342182621
What a dumbed-down piece of shit
>>342212565
FS only has 400% crit modifier when used with KM. Normal crits are a standard 200%. Also you only really used HB to apply diseases in AoE. Frost in Legion is heavily, HEAVILY about gearing to maximize your Breath of Sindragosa uptime. Rather than trying to build and spend resources, your goal is to generate RP consistently so that you keep BoS up, Frost Strike is what you use when BoS is on cooldown.
To put it in perspective, BoS is a 2 minute cooldown, and it's possible (but very difficult) to keeping it running for the full 2 minutes at 110 with ilvl 810 blues. As gear increases, it will be much easier to maintain.
>have no interest in playing it
>friend keeps shilling it to me and talks as if I've already bought it
This is awkward.
>>342211917
I'll give this one thing: Every single Machinist skill has its own character animation as opposed to the Hunter who has the sa,e fucking animation for all 4 of its damage skills.
>>342212813
s-so you spam frostscythe and other than that just use your cooldowns, most importantly BoS every 2 minutes and apply diseases?
>>342202546
>saves the art team from scrutiny
People shit on them just as much as before. If anything its worse now since its either they make literally the best set every tier for a class or people will just transmog it.
>>342213104
Spamming Frostscythe will overcap your RP and lower your BoS uptime in the long run. Frostscythe is your primary Rune spender, but without KM it doesn't hit particularly hard. Depending on how much Mastery you have, Obliterate may be better. Then you also have to maintain Remorseless Winter. If you're scrambling for an excuse to hate it then sure, you just spam abilities and that's it.
So how are warlocks holding up in this xpac?
>>342213396
Affliction is garbage, Destro is RNG bullshit and Demo has Imps riding Felstalkers that suicide bomb your target.
>>342213396
Im not sure why but warlocks seems to be crying harder than almost anyone else barring rogues. Both of these classes are fine im not sure why people are crying so much.
>>342213523
Affliction and Destro are legitimately shit desu. Affliction only has 2 baseline DoTs and the Destro Mastery is literally "You will randomly do more or less damage" which is fucking cancer for Mythic raiding. Demo looks legit though.
Love the quality of life improvements.
DPS seems dull tho, I'm still having more fun with my healer.
>>342213443
>>342213616
So if i'm not rolling Demo I should just jump ship?
Already cleared most of the content on the beta
Im probably going to cancel my preorder, its WOD 2.0, new animations are great, the abilities are okay too, but man, they STILL dont get that ilvl is the most boring stat ever made.
>>342214137
Destro is passable, it's just the Mastery is completely bunk and the spec is kinda dull. Once you're geared and have enough Crit/Haste it will be decent.
If you want to play Aff you should reroll though.
>>342214137
aff plays better than it did in wod and the only complaint about destro is its mastery.
>>342214137
Affliction is fine if you aren't a fan of filler rotations.
Multidotting is better then ever, and with enough haste you pretty much are the affliction lock of the old days but with actual scaling.
>Blizzard is now cutting content from Legion, including dungeons and a zone.
>typical Blizzard mental gymnastics rationalizing why it was a good idea to cut the content instead of just saying "we don't have the time".
It will be just as disappointing as Draenor, if not more so. Blizzard is lies and deliberate deception incarnate.
>>342214683
I have no idea how their staff gets bigger and bigger and yet the expansions get smaller and smaller
I know a lot of it is feature creep and making sure all the old content and mechanics keep working but their hard line stance on no "WoW2" is going to keep compounding this problem until we get a content patch's worth of content from an expansion, because they had to spend so much time on making sure that pet battles and pvp and dungeons and world quests and etc etc all had content for them
>>342197552
playing a prot paladin in legion is like playing a slug, playing a prot paladin in WoD was like playing a road runner.
>>342213523
Rogues are crying?
Aren't they the most op class on ptr that 3 shot people?
>>342181340
>frost
>even easier
how is that possible? they were already just obliterate->frost strike->obliterate->frost strike the spec
>>342215001
>>342214683
Personally I think they should try and focus a bit of time on what I call "renewable content" that is, making sure old content is still useful instead of just disappearing after the expansion they're associated with is over. They seem to be fond of that Time-Walking shit, so how about the actual raids?
I'd also like to see major profession updates and profession quests, factions and rewards that begin at low levels and continue through end-game content. That is to say, you'll still be doing things for the profession factions you belong to from lvl 1 all the way to lvl 110 and beyond. As an alchemist, it would be nice to have a few sets of Transmog gear that visualize this.
>>342214683
What is getting cut?
Give sauce faggot.
>>342215431
Thal'daranath has been cut.
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20745126178
>>342215430
>profession quests
You're in luck buddy!
sadly they don't start until 100
>>342215602
Blizz said it was cut the day Legion was announced. Why are you acting surprised?
>>342178443
>suddenly everybody likes wow again
Ok so where did everybody went? This place is reddit 2.0 now. All oldfags are gone right?
Anyone played ret on the ptr or beta?
Curious how fucked in pvp I'm going to be. I'm guessing pvp isn't "tuned" correctly on the beta yet as they'll wait until the last minute if ever, but kind of getting the impression I'll be kited endlessly in arena.
Why did you guys quit WoW in WoD and do you think Legion fixes those problems?
If yes, how?
If no, why not?
>>342215429
>obliterate->frost strike->obliterate->frost strike
that's not nearly how you play it, but yes it still was pretty easy and the changes don't seem so great
REMINDER that Holinka mains an enhancement shaman if anyone feels like choosing a class/spec that is 100% going to be decent in pvp.
>>342215896
>Paladins were OP in Wrath and Humans got bullshit racials during WoTLK because one of the developers played a Human Paladin.
>>342215001
You hit the nail on the head with WoW2 - the slavish adherence to extending the current game just means every expansion is going to take longer, because they have so much legacy cruft to make sure they don't upset. Oh shit, we changed this feature, now we have to fix all the regressions all over the game. I'm surprised they get anything done at all.
If they could start from scratch with everything they've learned over the past decade of developing MMOs, I'd be interested to see what they came up with. We'll probably get there eventually, when the subs drop below 1 million, but not before.
>>342178443
>this thread
the shills have won
>>342216475
It is a WoW expansion, what did you expect? Of course everyone will be HYPE for some fucking reason.
>>342216475
>the middle one
The old lady should have stopped before the head.
>>342216574
>hyped after wod
you can at least pretend you're not a shill.
>>342216305
>with everything they've learned over the past decade of developing MMOs
unfortunately blizzards learning process seems to look likethis
>dumb the game down
>people start leaving
>"oh, it's still too hard for casuals then"
>dumb the game down further
>more people leave
>"wow, players must be idiots, it's still too hard for them
>dumb down further
>more people leave
>etc.
>>342216223
>Kalgan played Warrior which was broken as fuck in TBC and any class combo that remotely came close to countering them in arenas got nerfed to the ground.
>He then swapped mains to arcane mage in early WoTLK sue to public outrage - arcane mages instantly became face roll tier abominations which could dominate casters and melee alike with counter spells, freezes, silences, cc, mobility and most importantly - a 1 button instant cast nuke rotation with zero cooldown.
>>342216943
>warrior
>op in tbc
somebody did not play in tbc because WL/Druid were op and nothing else.
>>342217065
>Stormherald Mace Specialozation Warrior
>Anything but retarded
>>342217065
Top kek. Warlocks were Op until they nerfed fear into the ground with their "heartbeat ticks" which means fear was used as an interrupt and nothing else.
Warrior + healer topped every arena chart and got buffs (some times. In the form of specific nerfs to others classes which countered them) according to their needs.
You must've not played TBC as much as I have because blizzard forums had a mass-ban wave after a shitload of angry NEETs started spamming their every boards with an ASCII middle finger macro with the text "Fuck you Kalgan".
Having a Demo lock and BM hunter in a group is absolutely terrible. The fucking flood of pets is Battleborn tier of visual clutter.
>>342178443
Which tank is the least shit? I have a DK and a Monk, and I could use my boost on a Warrior or Paladin. 0 interest in playing a druid.
>>342217285
yea I stopped playing after season 2 because the game was shit after that but season 1-2 druid wl were op as shit.
>>342217454
Have they addressed Hunters aggroing everything on the map with rapidfire?
>>342217516
Druids are the best, followed by Warriors. Brewmaster and DK are the worst.
Pic related, Celestalon on why Brewmasters are MEANT to be at half health all the time.
>>342217686
this just flies in the face of their design decision to reduce tanks in power to allow worse tanks to participate in endgame raiding
But now I have a decision to make
WW or MW
>>342217923
Windwalker is the better of the two. MW got gutted.
>>342217686
>use Fort Brew when you're already kneedeep in shit
Great advice! That's like telling people to use Shieldwall at 10% hp.
>>342215734
Just for the typical shitposting
