The original trilogy was and still is perfect. In fact, it's circular. It needs nothing else. In going straight from MGS3 to MGS1, there is an eerie sense of continuity and completion that is not reflected in the later games. Furthermore, all the games flow into each other thematically.
Discuss?
I feel the same way. If the series ended after MGS3, it would be a perfect trilogy of games.
>>342161660
Considering that 2 ended with several cliffhangers and 3 introduced more questions than answers I wouldn't agree with any of that.
MG1 + 2 duology was better
>>342162496
What questions did MGS3 introduce?
>>342162725
>How did Big Boss become the villain in MG1?
>Why are there detailed documents of Rex and a scale model of it in the Russian man's office in 1964?
>Why did Ocelot try so hard to kill Snake multiple times when he knew who he was?
>Scar snake
>>342161660
>MGS2
>good
uh
>>342163790
>How did Big Boss become the villain in MG1?
Are you serious? Throughout the entire game Naked Snake demonstrates a creepy fixation with weapons and combat, and the ending leaves him broken. Combine MG2's dialogue with him and MGS3's ending and it's pretty clear why Big Boss turned out the way he did.
>>342164150
Sure is.
>>342164893
>creepy fixation with weapons and combat
PFFTT what? He likes guns, welcome to anyone in the armed forces. That's hardly any sort of indicator that he would become a militaristic warlord and build a doomsday machine.
And the Boss's death just isn't enough to explain the radical change of character between 3 and MG1. It's too big of a gap to fill with only hypotheses.
>>342162072
>>342162496
>>342164893
To elaborate on my previous point, all three games perfectly segue into each other.
MGS1:
>Weird shit goes down.
But who is truly responsible for it and what does it all mean?
MGS2:
>It was The Patriots who were responsible and want to control society.
But who are The Patriots?
MGS3:
>Half the cast is connected in one way or another to The Philosophers aka The Patriots.
>Ocelot is the literal grandson of a member of the Wiseman's Committee.
>The Boss is the ultimate source of all events in the series; she "birthed" everything.
>Government member in the ending mentions creating a team like FOX; hinting at Foxhound.
>Les Enfant Terribles
Absolutely amazing. What happens next?
MGS1:
>Ocelot, all three BB clones, and rebelling Foxhound members are all officially in action.
MGS2:
>Shadow Moses is mimicked to make a point about information control.
>The 4th wall slowly erodes and a meta-narrative reveals itself.
>TFW you realize 9/11 came true right before the game came out.
>>342163790
>How did Big Boss become the villain in MG1?
The same way The Boss is the villain of MGS3
>>342165650
The difference is that it's the only thing he shows much enthusiasm for, aside from eating weird shit.
>hardly any sort of indicator
On its own, no. Combined with his own explanation of his life in MG2 it's easy to see it as a hint, though.
>It's too big of a gap
Not really. Again, he explains himself without ambiguity in MG2. His problems were a psychological dependence on war and post-traumatic stress. MGS3 sets this up pretty well. The only thing MGS3 doesn't set-up is his intense ego, but it's not hard to imagine how he might develop that.
tfw nobody cares about MG2, the hidden gem in the franchise
>>342161660
>trilogy
>>342166757
It's one of my favorite MG games period. Ghost Babel, too.
>>342166757
It was included in the HD Collection but forgotten
My favorite in the saga is metal gear solif portable ops
>>342166881
Being forced to make anything past MGS3 was the straw that broke Kojima's back. After putting everything into it those three games, he made the rest of them bad on purpose. It's so blatant.
It's almost like Kojima wanted the series to end after every game starting with MGS2 or something.
>>342167374
To even insinuate that bullshit as an honest opinion is offensive to my soul.
>>342165650
>the Boss's death just isn't enough to explain the radical change of character between 3 and MG1
He executed his mission under the belief that the Boss was a traitor, which turned out to be the exact opposite. He was used by his own country to kill his mentor and mother figure. If that's not reason enough to want to break away to form your own private military nation I don't know what is.
Also getting your DNA hijacked by the true world power pulling everything from the shadows for cloning without his consent probably didn't help things.
>>342168173
Plenty of characters went through traumatizing and life changing experiences in the series. Raiden had it worse than him by a significant margin.
Solid was literally used by his country to kill his own father, and brother, and he didn't feel the need to build a nuclear weapon.
>>342168879
Yeah, that's why Solid Snake isn't the cuntwipe Big Boss, Liquid, and Solidus were. That's kind of the point.
>>342161660
This. A lot of people say 2 was the downfall of the series, but 4 was really when it jumped the proverbial shark, before it hit rock bottom with V.
>>342169209
So the most thorough and satisfying explanation for why Big Boss changed so drastically (as of MGS3) was just because he was a giant pussy?
>>342161660
>the original trilogy was and still is perfect
>he says while showing metal gear 3-5
>>342169534
It was because unlike Solid Snake he couldn't find anything else to live for but war.
You know, just like he spells out to you in MG2.
>>342167636
>plebsoul
>>342169905
So he was a giant pussy that couldn't handle mommy dying. We agree on that at least.
That's still a pretty big narrative leap. His character development makes more sense from the subsequent games, but going from 3 to MG1 is still way too big of a stretch, and Kojima himself obviously felt the same way.
>>342169534
Big Boss never got to try bobsledding. Imagine if you had the perfect genetic structure to be a champion bobsledder. It's the only thing you were truly good at naturally. You didn't have to train your whole life, or anything, you could just smoke cigars and bobsled around.
Only Solid stumbled into this knowledge, and it's the reason he turned out the best. Every other clone/BB was dead set on their angle, whereas Solid knew he could just fuck off back to mushing whenever he wanted. He's like the guy who finds it easy to pick up girls because he would honestly rather be cataloging his spider collection.
>>342170718
I like your way of thinking, anon.
>>342170391
>That's still a pretty big narrative leap. His character development makes more sense from the subsequent games, but going from 3 to MG1 is still way too big of a stretch
Not really. See >>342166576
There's a bit of a gap, sure, but given how explicit MG2 is in exploring Big Boss's failures as a person it isn't hard to put the pieces together. He grew more obsessed over time (again, just like MG2 makes clear: "You crave ever bigger thrills") and combined with MGS3's ending's implied disillusionment with politics and nationalism ends up establishing a war-obsessed military state. Look at MGS3's ending with what he says in MG2 in mind.
The ending of MGS3 was the perfect setup for Big Boss as a Villian in my opinion, he obviously lost faith in the American government and since there was still a huge time gap until MG1, I could believe that Naked Snake turned into Big Boss.
Peace Walker, and especially V (fucking hell, it still hurts) just muddied the consent and made it needlessly convoluted. He didn't just build Outer Heaven, he build 3 of the fucking things. He didn't slowly turn more and more evil, he was a good guy and saved the world a few times, then did some bullshit with a body double.
MG1, MG2, MGS1-3 are fit together really nicely and make a excellent series that is tight storywise and each one is an expansion on the previous'D gameplay mechanics.
Remakes of MG1&2 with modern gameplay, graphics and production values (plus fixing the small plot holes and inconsistencies) might have been great, but every game made after 2004 has done more harm to the series than good.
Kojima should have started a new IP for the PS3 generation.
>>342162496
>Considering that 2 ended with several cliffhangers
that took 4 to explain/fix
>>342172038
>Peace Walker, and especially V (fucking hell, it still hurts) just muddied the consent
We all agree 3 is still the best right?
>>342172038
>Remakes of MG1&2 with modern gameplay, graphics and production values
Sounds awful.
>>342172427
>We all agree 3 is still the best right?
yes
3 > 1 > 5 >>> 4 = 2
>>342172427
Nah. There are a few Metal Gear games I like more than MGS3. Great stuff, though.
>>342172427
No. And especially not if you're referring to the original release.
>>342172427
Yes. MGS3 >= MGS1 > MG2 >> MGS2 > MGSPW >> MGS5 > MG > MGS4
>>342172482
Kojima himself would spit on your for an opinion like that.
>>342169617
He said the original trilogy as in the solid trilogy
no one cares about the older games, well at least the first one.
>>342172482
I honestly place MGS2 the highest. Much tighter and sneakier gameplay considered to MGS1.
MGS3 gave you a breadth of techniques and tricks but the areas were to open and I didn't feel forced to take advantage of them unlike in MGS2's claustrophobic and long tight corridors.
I really don't know where I'd put 4 and 5 though.
>>342172602
I'm referring to subsistence, That's when you could control the camera right? I never bothered to check the features of the different releases
>>342172716
Why does everyone think 4 was the worst?
Were the portable releases that good?
>>342161660
As much as I want to agree, you can't deny each iteration brought something significant to the storyline at large
Plus each post MGS 3 metal gear game still had important messages worth telling, like with PMCs and industrialized war in MGS 4, and nuclear deterrence and the ethics that come with launching a nuke in PW
That being said GZ and TPP were nothing but mindless filler
>>342172921
No, he said the original trilogy as in the original trilogy, you fucking retard. Just because you two are ignorant doesn't mean he's right.
>>342172873
Why?
2 was shit.
>>342161660
>The original trilogy
Already triggered.
>>342173039
No they weren't. The stories in both were pretty stupid, and that's coming from a borderline MG apologist. The gameplay was swamp ass in PO and PW wasn't much fun without doing co-op on top of that.
I loved 4, but I don't blame anyone for liking it less than the rest of the main entries.
MGS2 is legit great.
Too bad Raiden was butchered by Quinton Flynn in the English dub. He's literally the reason people in the west dislike Raiden so much.
>>342172110
>>342173039
Because it takes the events of MGS2 literally, is nothing but a giant fanservice, explains away everything mystical with nanomachines, has 10 hours of melodramatic cutscenes, it totally sold out (hence iPod, commercial at the beginning, and the various brand plugs), Old Snake's disillusionment represents Kojima's reluctance to make any more MGS games, and the total ass-pulls throughout the game that skewer continuity.
>>342173372
Not true at all. People hated Raiden because they thought they were getting Snake. That's been clear for fifteen years now.
>>342173161
just because you're pedantic doesn't make anyone else wrong
>>342173161
OP here. I was, in fact, referring to the Solid trilogy.
>>342173372
>I was 6 when MGS2 came out: the post
shut up retard
>>342173329
We re too old dude maybe its time to hide in the shadows and see how kids shit up everything with memes
>>342173573
>>342173482
Actually he's right.
>>342161660
Completely agree OP. MGS1,2,3 will live on for eternity. MGS4 will be remembered as feces. MGSV will be remembered as Peace Walker 2.
>>342162565
No it wasn't you piece of shit. MG1 is terrible and MG2 is a great game but has shit even more retarded than the rest of the series, like Zanzibar stealing ALL THE NUKES IN THE WORLD HURRR.
>>342173573
>I had a man baby fit when I realised I wasn't playing as snake: the post
shut up cunt lugs
Although I agree with OP, plot-wise there were many things unanswered after 3
Actually many things in 2 than 3 didn't even touch
We needed 4 and maybe a 5 that actually conect MGS3 and future
>>342173372
>Too bad Raiden was butchered by Quinton Flynn in the English dub.
and the bad writing
>>342173482
nice strawman
>>342173679
No, he's not. You honestly think that everyone hated Raiden because of his voice and not because they were lead to believe that they would be playing as the character that they loved?
You don't have to like Flynn's voice, but that's not why there was fan backlash after release.
>>342173070
I don't know. There is something to be said about V's idea on information being manipulated
Actual SpoilersBig Boss used Venom to grow his legend. While he was laying low and preparing Zanzibarland, Venom is building Diamond Dogs and chasing CIPHER all over Afghanistan and Africa and everyone attributes it to Big Boss. He used the title he was given against his enemies and used it to hide.
>>342173172
It was literally designed by Kojima as a pleb-filter. If you hated it, you weren't paying enough attention. Back to Call of Duty with you!
>>342173898
Not everything in MGS2 needed to be "touched". Just leave it as Liquid going after the Patriots. That doesn't need to be concluded.
>>342174018
Wow man the MGS fandom. 2deep4u bullshit. Chill
>>342173948
>Doesn't know what a strawman is.
>>342173623
>>342173329
>>342162565
>implying you actually played, enjoyed and were big fans of Metal Gear before Solid
Tryhards posing as oldfags are the worse
>>342173172
Except 2 had the best gameplay. Did you even play all the vr missions and get all the dog tags?
Did you know that in MGS3 you can just peak around corners in first person and guards won't see you?
>>342174010
>there is something to be said about V's idea on information being manipulated
The final codec speech in MGS 2 covers this in greater depth though
>>342173401
>Because it takes the events of MGS2 literally
only because MGS2 didn't take itself seriously
>and the total ass-pulls throughout the game that skewer continuity.
you mean the fixings that happened to 2?
>>342174018
>Back to Call of Duty with you!
joke's on you. I have never touched CoD after they went to Modern Warfare.
>>342174130
>Wow man the MGS fandom
only the MGS2 fandom is like that
>>342173948
>bad writing
He was deliberately made the way he was just because he's not cool or whatever doesn't mean he's bad
>straw man
just end it now
>mfw I love MGS4 and can't stand the undeserved hate
For me it is 3 >=1 > 4 > 2 >> V > PW
>>342174204
>Tryhards posing as oldfags are the worse
I know right. People think they're special for playing the originals.
HINT: They're not rare or difficult games.
>>342174208
Yeah but in V it was done without the need of super computer AI to collect, sort, catalog, and dispense the information.
>>342174223
>only the MGS2 fandom is like that
Well it gets frustrating when people can't pay attention to a plot that goes to great lengths to lay out exposition for minutes at a time at every opportunity.
MGS2 is just like the rest. It has symbolism in many places but isn't exactly subtle about its storytelling. And people STILL don't know what happens in that game.
>>342174206
>Did you even play all the vr missions and get all the dog tags?
No. I didn't care for 2 so why would I play more of a game I don't like?
>Did you know that in MGS3 you can just peak around corners in first person and guards won't see you?
you can play MGS3 in first person?
>>342174236
>He was deliberately made the way
and? He's still shit and no amount of ""HE WAS SHIT ON PURPOSE" does not change things
>>342174502
>to great lengths to lay out exposition for minutes at a time at every opportunity.
but the exposition is delivered by annoying characters. Who the fuck wants to listen to Rose talk about shit?
>>342174657
If a character to was wrote to piss off entitled fans like you and the character was successful at doing so then he was a well written character
>>342174339
They're pretty great though. MG2 in particular is one of my favorite games in the series period.
>>342174657
>you can play MGS3 in first person?
You didn't know about first person in MGS3? You press one of the shoulder buttons (R1 is default). How the fuck did you beat the game without using first person mode?
>>342174878
It's funny to think that MGS1 only really innovated with it's cinematics and narrative. Everything everyone loved about the gameplay was introduced in MG2.
>>342174843
>entitled fans like you
entitled? How?
It's a MGS sequel, advertised that you would be playing as Snake, and you instead get a whiny, shitty, prettyboy for 90% of the game
>>342175030
I know of the first person mode in cutscenes but never did it in gameplay. I mean first person aiming, I did all the time but never running around in first person
>>342175242
For going around corners, you press R2 or L2 in first person mode. Guards in MGS3 don't see you around corners when you do that. It's an incredibly huge oversight. MGS2 did not make that gameplay design mistake.
>>342175197
What's interesting is that I didn't get around to playing it until well around Peace Walker's release. I still think it's one of the best.
Ditto for Ghost Babel.
>>342174130
Nah, senpai. It's not too deep for you; in fact, I shall humbly explain it to you right now.
Fans wanted more MGS games and more Solid Snake. Kojima, knowing fans totally missed the point and just wanted to sneak around and kill things for eternity, decided to subvert those expectations for the sequel by tricking everyone into playing as Raiden. Raiden represents you, the player. He was trained through VR (MGS1 and VR missions), is a Solid Snake fanboy, and in fact has the same reactions to Dead Cell's appearance as the player (he mentions in codec that he feels like he's in a bad dream *WINK WINK*). Raiden's actions, aka the player's actions, are fruitless since even in success people still die and shit still gets blown up (Stillman, Olga, and Emma). The player is robbed of real success and everything the player was lead to believe both prior to and during the game was a carefully constructed lie.
The game world starts breaking down and not only does Colonel start glitching up, but everything that takes place in Arsenal has virtual qualities to it (floating digital decals, characters literally appearing out of nowhere during cutscenes, and the platform for the RAY fights looking EXACTLY like the MGS photoshoot room).
In the end, Solid Snake (as an avatar for Kojima's message) tells Raiden to just live out his life and carry on the things he chooses to pass out without falling prey to the preconceived context that the establishment forces upon us.
YOU are the "soldier" being trained in a VR mission (since the game isn't real and just a virtual world) created by Kojima.
Clear enough for you?
>>342175242
Kojima wasn't obliged to make a sequel with snake
yet here you are 10 years later crying about it still because you can't take the ruse cruise
IMO MGS1/2 are the definitive MGS experience
nothing else hits close to those high notes but MGS4 was a good send off. And MGR is good enough for me to think its the real MGS5
Big Boss did NOT need any other games beside Snake Eater
>>342175406
Ghost Babel is easily the best portable MG. I don't understand how they couldn't manage to make a better one on such hugely upgraded hardware after four tries.
>>342165650
Nigga how is killing your waifu and then seeing her reputation ran through the mud despite being a hero not be enough motivation?
>>342175514
2deep5you
>>342175814
it's honestly piss easy to understand
>>342175615
>Kojima wasn't obliged to make a sequel with snake
and yet the sequel was marketed that way. At least Raiden got better:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErRAM2wuMJg
i don't know what kris zimmerman was thinking when she chose raiden's va. i mean if kojima cast an old man to voice him in the original version that means he's supposed to sound like an old man. it shouldn't be hard to find someone who sounds similar
>>342175638
Because it was more focused on stealth
PW is an action game
Acids, although very good, aren't really the same thing you were expecting
>>342174204
I wasn't implying I played them first, just that OP is a fag for calling it that.
My first Kojima game was Snatcher.
>>342175894
I'm just messing with you, I'm not even the anon you were explaining it to
>>342175926
MGR Raiden is cringe as fuck and you're stupid if you think he's an improvement, I'm just glad they were' self aware about it.
>>342175514
That's a decent approximation of it. The main method the game has of fucking with you is subverting what you thought you would get from a sequel.
I still don't mind that it was taken literally in 4 though.
>>342168879
Shit man it's like they're different characters with different personalities and motivations or something...
>>342161660
I feel you. I was just thinking about this earlier today.
>>342173070
TPP was all about proliferation and the arms race, about warmongering in general. It highlighted just how fucking pointless it all is. Think about it, what could you really get out of an extreme like the parasite soldiers? How far is too far? Does anyone really know when to stop?
>>342175638
After MGS2 the series adopted a more-is-better maximalist mentality. Ghost Babel's successes lie in how well-balanced it is. It emphasizes tight design over a bunch of shit for the player to fuck with like MGS3 and everything after it.
>>342175514
Kinda something that tried Kojima to do with V but everyone thought that it was shit?
>>342175514
>Raiden represents you, the player.
this shit again?
>>342176048
>MGR Raiden is cringe as fuck
and yet better than his MGS2 appearance
>>342176143
so basically it was another spin on MGS4
>>342175926
>that fucking scene
please don't say you thought that was serious and bad ass
and do you realise that kojima made mgs2 to take the piss out of people like you who missed the point by a mile?
>>342175329
Isn't it the otherway around?
What purpose would peeking serve if they see you anyway?
This. I decided I want to replay the series but this time I'm only going to play MG1+2 and then MGS1-3 in release order. Anything else and the story gets convoluted and less interesting. Not to mention the gameplay falters a ton.
>>342176240
>please don't say you thought that was serious and bad ass
I thought it was okay. Better than anything 2 crapped out
>>342176229
MGSV was shit for reasons other than the story, when will people get this..
Ignore the retards prattling about "Big Boss going nuclear" because they're idiots who dont even understand the basic ideas set up in the previous games. Big Boss is NOT someone to be idolized, no matter how many fucking times they get Donna Burke on stage to sing about his bullshit.
>MGS1 is a copy of MG2
>No one bats an eyelid.
>MGS2 is a copy of MGS1
>GENIUS. KOJIMA IS GOD
Why is this allowed?
>>342176237
>this shit again?
I don't know how many times the game spelled that out for you. YOUR NAME IS ON HIS DOGTAGS AT THE END.
>>342173546
What the fuck is the "Solid trilogy"?
1 2 and 4?
MG 1 2 and MGS1?
>>342176237
>and yet better than his MGS2 appearance
nah, its an honest to god regression but its forgivable since the game is technically fanfiction
>>342176572
One came out worldwide on launch and the other was stuck in Japan for ten years.
>>342176595
>YOUR NAME IS ON HIS DOGTAGS AT THE END.
except I put random shit on the dogtag because I dismissed it as something useless. Like naming Link in the Zelda games
>>342176595
I didn't put my own name in the dogtags, retard.
>>342176645
>the game is technically fanfiction
but canon. Just because Platinum made it doesn't mean you can dismiss it as "fanfiction"
besides, MGS4 Raiden > MGS2 Raiden
>>342176595
My name isn't Dookieface asshole.
>>342176595
I want to name my character Dookie and the dogtag at the end says the name of my character. oh wow!
>>342176773
>besides, MGS4 Raiden > MGS2 Raiden
I can accept that in the sense it was something of a natural progression
but if you ever try to put MGR Raiden above any of them you're just dead wrong.
>>342162072
Trilogy means 3 fyi.
4, pw and V are the second trilogy
>>342176595
It's like saying "Oh see how at the end of FF VII they refer to you as Cloud? But you could change the name guyss"
I get where you are coming from but I have enver liked this theory
>>342176357
Peaking is for making quick shots with your first-person mode at the ready. It's useful in certain firefights, especially the Tanker guard fight where you can use R2 and L2 at the same time to quickly peak above the box.
What purpose do any of MGS3's stealth gameplay mechanics serve when you can abuse the peaking exploit?
>MGS3 fags in charge of game design
The only good things that game did were better sniper controls, limited suppressor, and better hand-to-hand combat.
>>342176934
MGS4 Raiden was to... "emo" for my tastes
>>342176673
>>342176686
>>342176789
>mfw I made a stupid looking character in the begin of TPP
>that last scene just went weirder
>>342176972
Unnecesary correction. If from a collection of games you end up with 3, you have a trilogy. it's not like he doesn't know what the word means lol
>>342176934
>I can accept that in the sense it was something of a natural progression
No it wasn't. MGS4 Raiden is just a relapse of his MGS2 character arc. It's the dumbest shit ever meant to pander to MGS3 kids.
>>342177041
Seeing him get over it was nice.
>>342177172
yeah.
I just wish Rose was not real. God, what a cunt
>>342177168
>MGS4 Raiden is just a relapse of his MGS2 character arc
How so?
> It's the dumbest shit ever meant to pander to MGS3 kids.
MGS3 "kids" (according to the MGS2 fanbase, anyone who like 3 is a kid) would not know who Raiden is.
>>342177041
>child soldier
>found out his girlfriend was a government plant
>dragged through an insane conspiracy that revealed his whole world was a lie
>most of his body chopped off and replaced with cyborg parts
I'd be pretty emo too if I were him.
>>342177356
I never got the hate for Rose, to me she was just someone who wanted to look after Raiden but didnt necessarily know how
>>342177112
>mfw called myself solid dong
>>342177474
she was acting like a nagging girlfriend
>>342176603
Metal Gear Solid 1, Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty, Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
How fucking retarded can you be? He's referring to the 'Solid' in the title, not the protagonist of the games you idiot.
>>342177356
>How so?
He doesn't know who he is and isn't comfortable in his own skin. He's a walking pile of angst unsure about everything. Then uncle Snake knocks him to his sense and tells him he still has things for live for.
Literally the last cutscene between them in both games is the same shit.
>MGS2
>Count me in Snake. I'll help you and Otacon find the Patriots.
>Not yet Raiden. There are still things you need to do first and people you need to talk to (Rose and Raiden's baby)
>MGS4
>Snake, I have nothing to live for. I'll go through the microwave hallway QTE piece of shit glorified cutscene.
>Raiden don't be an idiot. You still have your youth (Raiden still has Rose and his baby)
It panders to MGS3 kids because it makes Raiden out to be lame, just like Raikov.
IT WAS NEVER GOING TO WORK OUT FOR ME
IT EVEN RAINED THE DAY I WAS BOORN
>>342177474
>I know that you are on an extremely important mission to stop Arsenal Gear but WHY WEREN'T THERE POSTERS IN YOUR ROOM?
Just a friendly reminder that Metal Gear Solid 3: Subsistence is the greatest video game of all time. It is a perfect combination of story telling, gameplay, and music.
>>342177910
Thats not RE4
>>342177864
if MGS2s localization wasnt completely gimped I do wonder how that situation would have played out.
Its weird how MGS1s dialogue flows so naturally while all the rest feel like anime
>>342177972
Resident Evil is shit.
Just a friendly reminder that Metal Gear Solid 3: Pachislot is the greatest video game of all time. It is a perfect combination of story telling, gameplay, and music.
>>342178116
>if MGS2s localization wasnt completely gimped
how was it gimped? The writing was outright bad
>>342177864
What about it? That's a pretty realistic depiction of a dysfunctional relationship.
>>342177910
>No vr missions
>Boring 15 minute motorcycle chase with unlimited ammo
>Easiest game in the series to get max rank
>DUDE FLIPPING MOTORBIKE IN MID-AIR LMAO
Into the garbage it goes.
>>342178120
RE and MGS arent that different as a series
both lost their way around the mid-point after a very solid entry. RE4 was that game and so was MGS3 - only that RE4 was one of the few games thats close to perfection and MGS3 was more of an experimental work that didnt exactly improve anything.
After both games though, their respective series went to shit
>>342167236
Jesus Christ Deven is that you?
>>342178124
>>342178201
I'm guessing you arent aware of the whole translation drama, but it was a thing.
>>342178413
To think of how much money went into this excrement.
>>342178124
Holy shit. Are those Fox Engine re-renders of various cutscenes on the left?
>>342178124
>>342178413
I wonder if they used the Fox engine to make it.
>>342178116
Based Jeremy Blaustine localization. That Snatcher localization wasn't bad either.
>>342178497
not as much as what went into MGSV, I reckon
>>342161660
>The original triology is perfect
I mostly agree.
MGS4 ruined everything.
MGS5 almost set things right.
>>342178413
MGS3 ruined this series. Everything since is just big boss everything. Fucking hell.
>>342178349
It's funny the coincidence that both downhill happened when they turned HD
>>342178596
5 could be a playable tutorial of watching grass grow and it would be better than goddamn pachinko.
>>342178124
>>342178413
>>342178551
>>342178569
We could have a remastered MGS3, but instead they're making cutscenes for a fucking pinball machine.
>>342178291
As if Vr mission were the shit
>>342178201
>Talking shit about MGS2's writing
MGS2's writing jumps all over the place in quality from absolutely amazing (the final dialogue with Crazy Colonel GW before the end) and cringe worthy (EMPTY LIKE YOUR HEART), but if there's one thing that is consistent throughout ALL of MGS2's writing is that pretty much every line or situation works towards its narrative themes
>Check images
>Don't have that image of the Colonel and "Creating Context"
fuck
>>342161660
OK, I'll bite.
MGS1 was good. It was a nice mix of military spy thriller plus comic-book tier superheroes.
MGS2 was a statement. I get that some people didn't like it. I love the futuristic soundtrack and in some ways the gameplay is the tightest in the series until V.
MGS3 was cinematic gold. The pacing and the environments were excellent. The only thing I didn't like was how larger-than-life The Boss was. Her reputation was excessive to the point of ridiculousness, even for the series. Leading America to victory in WW1? Seriously? Single-handedly developed the Special Forces? I understand that Snake needed a huge motivation to turn his back on his country, but he could have scaled Boss back a bit to make her a little more believable. I think The Boss was intended to "birth" the events of the series, but Kojima just takes it too far.
I really like Portable Ops. It scales back the ridiculousness of the series. It's just a little side-thing, but I enjoyed it.
I can't play through 4 or PW. I get that Snake is still butthurt about shooting his mentor, but seriously, his obsession goes way too far, to the point of feeling manufactured. Like, let's talk about THE BOSS some more. Like what, did Kojima run out of ideas? The whole Paz / Chico arc is dogshit. Are they surrogate children for Snake, who can't conceive? Maybe, but I don't want to play through the mess to find out.
I fucking loved Ground Zeroes, and loved the entire dark turn. Haven't played through V yet.
Personally, I think the series should have ended with 2. 3 is a great game, but it should have been done with different characters.
>>342165650
>>342163790
REminder that this is the type of retard that sent death threats to kojima and wanted garbage like MGS4.
Does the random good vibe chatter happen in PW, GZ or V
I recently finished 4 and noticed it was missing one of the things that made me love mgs
>>342178441
>I'm guessing you arent aware of the whole translation drama
there was a translation drama?
>>342179242
>from absolutely amazing (the final dialogue with Crazy Colonel GW before the end)
that was amazing?
>mfw your post
>>342179457
Its there in 4 but you have to dig for it.
Its very much there in PW, but not there in GZ or V.
If you havent played Rising theres plenty there too
I remember falling asleep in the middle of the cutscene that happens after you beat Solidus in 2. I was so beyond caring at that point that I didn't even try to go back and watch it.
>>342179475
You need to be 18 to post on this board senpai
>>342179568
> but not there in V.
This hurts knowing mgsv is a very lengthy game, whether the story is shit or not. Oh well
>>342179707
>You need to be 18 to post on this board senpai
typical MGS2 fan
>>342179707
>senpai
Cringe. You need to be 18 to post on this board.
>>342179457
Not really, mgsv stays pretty melancholy all the way through
>>342179290
Why is this allowed?
>>342173070
How is 5 mindless filler? It expands tons of what we know about the legend of big boss from MGs 1-2. It touches on the cycle of revenge in war being hollow and unfillfilling, shows how much big boss changed from 3 to the time it's set, and follows the theme of the legend not being as cut and dry as the reality that's been in the game since mgs1.
Big boss is very much a villain by the time GZ ends and TPP starts.
just because you didn't get your anakin skywalker turn doesn't mean the game is bad
>>342180438
>It touches on the cycle of revenge in war being hollow and unfillfilling, shows how much big boss changed from 3 to the time it's set
>shows how much big boss changed from 3 to the time it's set
>I'll trick this dupe into thinking he's me so he can fight my wars for me
>I'm too stupid to realize he's a big softie
>But at least he's a dumb lug that keeps up the charade and dies for me in Metal Gear 1
It certainly showed us what a coward Big Boss became.
Great characterization.
Really, MGS5's only impact on the franchise's narrative as a whole are
>Explains how Big Boss survived Metal Gear 1 (which never needed explaining anyway)
>Fixed the stupid MGS4 retcon of "MAJOR ZERO WAS THE BIG BAD ALL ALONG" to "Major Zero was a dumb idiot that let things get out of control."
>>342180891
>Explains how Big Boss survived Metal Gear 1 (which never needed explaining anyway)
This is true. Someone in MG2 clearly says that he was likely rebuilt with cybernetics.
Even if that wasn't the case, you could easily imagine a scenario where he escapes the explosion anyway.
>>342161660
Yeah, it's almost as if Kojima had a co-writer to keep his shit straight for MGS1-3.
>>342180891
>Great characterization.
I get the sense you're being sarcastic, but Big Boss being selfish and manipulative was established with the original game nearly 30 years ago.
Venom was an awful idea. But the game did convey that much.
>>342181638
but MGS1 and 2 have the same writers, so how did 2 have bad writing?
>>342181520
There's even a radio call from Big Boss at the end of MG1 where he says he didn't die.
>>342178441
>>342179475
The only reason Agness Kaku had issues with how Konami forced her to localize MGS2 was because nobody wanted to use her shitty script changes.
>This is Snake. Do you read me, Otakon? Over.
> Loud and clear, Snake. Over.
>Think I'd wait forever [the comment is directed to the player]? I'm at the infiltration point [SP for 'sneak point']. Over.
>Everything going okay? Over.
>The stealth camo's busted. Landing impact. Over.
>We did use the hell out of that thing. Sorry, but you're gonna have to deal. You're not in the military-industrial complex anymore, Dorothy.
>Right. I don't plan on relying on this gadget either way. Over.
>Hey, the private sector's not so bad, though, huh? Privacy guaranteed...
> I'm happy as long as no one slips a Mickey Finn in the morning glass of OJ.
>You mean that thing with Naomi?
>And I can't say I miss the chattering nanny.
>Mei Lin's not so bad. That reminds me, I have to get in touch with her again about that new Natick flashware.
> Diverting toys from the SSCEN (U.S. Army Soldier Systems Center) again? Someone will find out, sooner or later. She's better off assuming it's sooner and quit while she's ahead. Tell her I said that.
>The mission objective is to make visual confirmation of the new Metal Gear being transported by that tanker and bring back photographic evidence. No destruction, please. Got it?
>Don't worry. I know the drill -- we're not terrorists.
>Very good. We're a 100% UN-recognized 'Opposition to Metal Gear' aka OMEGA*. Don't you forget that you're a part of an NGO and can chew granola with the best of them.
>Recognized, but still fringe, Otakon.
>>342181830
Different translator.
>>342181638
Man, that Murata guy really started Kojima down the wrong path. What happened to Fukushima?
>>342170718
I like you.
>>342181830
Some dialogue aside, it didn't.
>>342182003
>Different translator.
did they get the translator from 1 back for 3?
>>342182205
>Some dialogue aside
like the entire Arsenal Gear segment. That was some super bad writing
>>342181997
There's that and the guy from MGS1 got fired because Kojima got pissed at him, which was a mistake in the long term IMO
>>342180891
It's not about being a coward, it's about becoming exactly what he and snake fought throughout the entire series. He went along with a plan to completely fuck one of his own men's life over to keep his plans going, then tells that same guy that he should be grateful to be apart of HIS legend.It shows exactly where his intentions and heart are. Kaz and all of diamond dogs are an extension of what big boss is, all they want is blind revenge. Venom undermines all of that because he's still his own man somewhere in his mind.
The fact that you dismiss the entire game because of the overall narrative tells me that you bought way too much into the fan fiction everyone thought was gonna be the real game.
>>342182369
He wasn't fired, he just didn't worked on the sequels.
>>342182338
nope, jeremy blaustein translated only solid 1
and since he made a lot of research and dilogue adaptation to make it sound good and real. he has able to work as 2nd voice acting director.
that's the reason kojimbo fired him forever.
he wanted literal and sometimes retarded translation
>>342183060
>Fired
See.>>342182707
>>342177656
There's 6 games, that's not a trilogy you dingus
>>342184146
Holy shit I've never seen stupidity to this extent.
The first three games of the Solid series. Three is a trilogy.
>>342184146
You act like people don't refer to 2 trilogies in Stars Wars with that
>>342184564
People refer to them as the Original Trilogy and Prequel Trilogy.
Calling the first three MGS games the Solid Trilogy would be like calling the first three SW movies the Star Wars Trilogy.
