Zelda BotW crazy theories thread!
Here's mine, post yours
>BotW's Link was too unprepared to take on Calamity Ganon and get his ass killed, so Zelda sealed herself together with Calamity Ganon in the castle knowing that one day he will break the seal, the Sheikah put Link in a recovery capsule and hide him until he is fully recovered and Ganon break the seal so Link can defeat him after Ganon is weakened from breaking the seal.
>Calamity Ganon is the Ganon from the same of the same from the defeated hero time line, and the old man in the beginning of the game is this Hyrule Ganondorf that lose his power and the spirit of the Demise to Calamity Ganon.
>The shrines function is to restore the hero spirit within link because he was supposed to be dead them the hero spirit left his body to wait the next hero reincarnation.
>>342139230
>Learn English before trying to explain a theory for games we know little about.
>>342139230
I think this game fits after the Great Sea, between PH and ST
The "New Hyrule" is actually the old Hyrule post-flood
>>342141216
For now is kinda hard to guess, we don't have enough info to make a safe bet
>>342139230
Good theory OP. Hope you don't mind if I pirate it.
>>342139840
>hurp durp I'm too stupid to understand past a few typos.
It's in between ALBW and ALttP, the Master Sword is going to break on us at the end of the game, hence why it's not in LoZ/AoL (the Magical Sword is not the Master Sword).
>>342141914
Go for it anon
>>342141974
but the Master Sword is in ALBW.
>>342141216
I would say this too, Ex: Koroks, Sea salt item
My current idea is that this link is one of the recent past links resurrected, possibly wind waker (The old man is disappointed you don't remember stuff so even seeing the koroks and not recognizing them wouldn't be against link being WW link)
There are elements that could point towards this being more like a zelda that unifies all timelines since there's elements from many games like the koroks, temple of time, and that floating thing that kinda looks like skyloft.
>>342141757
Maybe this game open a new timeline, where the WW Link is defeated or just Ganondorf could make his wish
>>342141974
Err I mean In between ALBW and LoZ.
>>342142079
Yeah I meant LoZ not ALttP, which ALBW is after ALttP anyways.
It being in that time frame also explains why people inevitably end up in caves in LoZ trying to hide from Ganon since that part of Hyrule is in ruins.
>>342142119
Sea salt items exist pretty much everywhere.
Also only 100 years happen between WW/PH and ST, and WW Link is dead.
>>342142358
Yeah I'm not standing by my thoughts at all just rambling
also
>resurrected
>>342139230
THREAD THEME: https://youtu.be/n_mA0qXcqYs
>>342142119
I thought about the possibility of the old man being Ganondorf, but without his "Demise-side", that is actually Calamity Ganonand maybe Malladus too
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>crazy theory
NX is a handheld as powerful as a ps4 powered by a tegra chip
Link is a robot.
Sheikah are in league with the xenos (so called Goddesses) and have been manipulating Hyrule and its people since its inception. Link is just a pawn in their sick game.
>>342142830
NX is a voltron system that combines a handheld unit with a console unit to become a super powerful single unit
>>342142857
get out of here, Kojima
I don't want to think that Old Man is Ganondorf, but the fact that he just takes your spirit orbs in exchange for stuff makes me think he wants them for himself. I don't trust him.
>>342142443
But in one cutscene they say that that BotW Link is "sleeping" for 100 year and that Calamity Ganon appeared 100 years ago
>>342143034
never trust on the first strange old man you find after waking up with amnesia
>>342142947
Never gonna happen
>>342143050
true, forgot about the sleeping part
>>342142830
>very likely theory
The sheikah slate is actually exactly what the form factor of the NX will be
>>342142947
NX is upgradable, you can buy the upgrades separately and plug in as much upgrades as you want
>>342143642
>The sheikah slate is actually exactly what the form factor of the NX will be
Nah, the sheikah slate was probably gimmick to use the gamepad
Time is convoluted.
The timelines converge in this game for some reason. Temple of time has something to do with this.
Am I the only one after beating SS that thought the possibilities of time paradoxes are infinite?
Just having young and old Impa in the same world, the Imprisoned, time travels and all that stuff is crazy.
>>342144207
>was probably gimmick
Sry, I mean was probably a gimmick
>Link is a backup android created by the Sheikah, and defeating each dungeon will upload memories of previous incarnate Heroes of Time eventually allowing him to use the Mastersword.
>It was unable to be previously activated during the Windwaker era because it was underwater.
>You can defeat Ganon without the Mastersword and the full Hero of Time soul, but it won't properly seal him, creating a bad ending.
>>342144272
I dont know if this is confirmed, but I believe the SS Link is the Hero chosen by the Goddess, since he go back to the past and kill/seal Demise, so paradoxes are a thing in the series
>>342144207
hmm true, forgot this game had been developing for a while, but it feels different somehow
Link is the ancient evil that awakened.
>wakes up after 100 years
>destroys landscape
>kills local inhabitants
>uses ancient technology
>ancient defense systems reactivate up his presence
I am going to suggest that this new game, somehow takes place after SS and before OOT.
A. Functioning technology everywhere, and non-functioning technology just laying bare to see.
B. The Temple of Time still stands, even though it has been lost in every post-OOT timeline.
C. The tradition of Link vs Evil exists.
Now the obvious problem with this idea, is Ganon. A loophole that might remedy this, is that Gandondorf is a man and Ganon is a monster. Perhaps Ganon existed before Ganondorf was even born. After all, the moblins and other such pig-monsters are similar to Ganon, even though Ganondorf could not have created the species himself.
>>342144915
Because they when they decided to make it into a NX launch title they had to stop it from every gamepad functionality, so they made the slate into more than just a gimmick to show off the gamepad
>>342145218
According to Skyward, there are 2 Temple of Time, in Lanayru and in Faron
>>342142925
This would really bring back the series to its roots since the triforce was supposed to be microchips
Timeline ruined everything. Timeline was a fun 'what-if' idea, except for when the video games made it obvious what was a sequel to what. Then Nintendo released Hyrule Hystoria and made Zelda threads annoying.
Here's a video from back when timeline was still just a fan idea:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tBwerivCw8
RIP Gametrailers
>>342145395
True, but one is destroyed in SS.
>>342143887
What could go wrong there?
>>342139230
After Hero saving the world in OoT (or some other Zelda game) civilization entered golden age and became technologically very advance. So advanced they created destructive weapons (like those thingies with lasers in the gameplay video) and destroyed the world. Japan will never forget atom bomb and this will be Godzilla style Zelda game.
>>342145025
Yeah, what's up with the guardians? Why are they aggresive? I swear, if the only reason is "to test the true courage of the hero"...
>>342145552
at least it explains why there is a Pedestal of Time/Gate of Time both in Lanayru and Faron
>>342146058
They're corrupted
>>342146058
The things are scattered across the landscape in bulk. Imagine a war, and in one instant all the tanks and war machines were disabled. These tanks now all rust peacefully in the fields where they stopped moving.
>>342146257
Your mom is corrupted
>>342146303
Yes, but they appear to use the same basic technology as the sheikah slate, so why are they aggresive towards Link? Shouldn't they recognise him as one of the "good guys"?
>>342146639
Not after Ganon made that technology his bitch.
>>342145218
>B. The Temple of Time still stands, even though it has been lost in every post-OOT timeline.
You bring up a good point here. One I haven't thought about. How do Hyrule Historia supporters reconcile this fact? Either:
A. OoT Temple of Time is not the Sealed Temple the book claims, because the Master Sword isn't there, yet is clearly in a temple in the ending clip.
B. You posit that the Master Sword has been moved somewhere that's not the Temple of Time. Meaning it's no longer serving as the key to Sacred Realm, so anyone can get ahold of the Triforce.
HH-friends, defend yourselves.
>>342145489
Timeline was never just a fan idea, it's just that Nintendo (especially Miyamoto) didn't give a shit about being consistent.
>>3421468
Do you think he's done that? I dunno, the guardians seem to be too broken down and just lying there to actually be part of ganon's army. The one in the demo who can't even move seem to have been there for years, waiting until something triggered his move sensors.
>>342146851
>B. You posit that the Master Sword has been moved somewhere that's not the Temple of Time. Meaning it's no longer serving as the key to Sacred Realm, so anyone can get ahold of the Triforce.
Master Sword stopped being the sacred realm's key immediately after OoT, in fact the triforce never returned there and in ALTTP/ALBW they can travel there without it
>>342144645
Yeah, SS Link is the boss. He sigle handedly forges the master sword, finds the fucking triforce, defeats Satan and gets to bang the reincarnation of the goddess in Zelda's flesh.
>>342147196
meant to quote >>342146828
>>342139230
>>Calamity Ganon is the Ganon from the same of the same from the defeated hero time line, and the old man in the beginning of the game is this Hyrule Ganondorf that lose his power and the spirit of the Demise to Calamity Ganon.
This is what I'm guessingand hopingis happening. It'd be nice to see Ganon in a different perspective in a way that's lore friendly and doesn't necessarily ruin the canon lore.
>>342139230
I think that someone is trying to merge the split timelines together.
>>342147416
Not likely if they stick with ALttP's backstory of him being a King of Thieves, Ganondorf that seized the Sacred Realm and Triforce turning it into the Dark World. Which as we know is still a thing as of right now.
>>342147268
>Master Sword stopped being the sacred realm's key immediately after OoT,
WOAH! Who said anything about this game taking place after OoT?
I was doing you the courtesy of assuming you knew that.
What if this game were just a LoZ remake, timeline-wise? Would that make sense?I don't know much about Zelda timelines
>>342147629
Probably because Ganon exists. He doesn't exist until OoT, unless they decide to retcon it, but that'd be a pretty major retcon.
What's Vaati's role in all of this again?
I still think this is OoT link. Honestly who cares which hand he holds his sword. At this point all of us should believe that link is ambidextrous
>>342147629
>Who said anything about this game taking place after OoT?
it obviously does since ganon's around, koroks are a thing and temple of time is in ruins
>>342142947
NX is actually a Gundam
>During the game you come to know Ganondorf came back and was sealed in the castle in the imprisonment war
>People are not around because of the war and because most have gone to search for the triforce in the dark world
>Master Sword is useless, but blueprints for a new one get sent to sages, who forge a new Master Sword
>>342147671
miyamoto already said they're not trying to recreate the original or anything
>>342147671
If it was to make a wild guess I would said Zelda 2
>>342148003
Also there are Ritos
I believe that this game is secretly a continuation of MGSV. We all know the similarities between Venom snake and Link, so I wont go over them. I will be going over the Man who sold the world and what it implies about the Old Man.
>we spoke of was and when
The old man is seen telling Link about what has happened to Hyrule and tells him it happened 100 years ago. Was, and when.
>although I wasn't there he said I was his friend
Link clearly has not been there for 100 years, and the Old Man is immediately friendly to him, and acts as a mentor character
>I thought you died alone a long long time ago
Gaebora doesn't die because he's a sage (correct me if Im wrong about that), Ganon doesn't die alone because he is killed by Link everytime, so pretty much the only person who we know died, but also died alone, is The King.
>you're face to face with the man who sold the world
In this case, the world is the ancient Hyrule, and the King "sold" it when he wished for it to be flooded.
>I laughed and shook his hand and made my way back home
>I searched for form and land, for years and years I roamed
Its an open world game and thats what you will do in the game, roaming and searching for land.
Whats interesting is "made my way back home". This Link doesn't remember his home so maybe rediscovering it will be a major plot point. Perhaps "home" is a metaphor for his memory, once he has found his old memories or made enough new ones he will feel at home again.
>I must have died alone, a long long time ago
Link waking up in the "reincarnation chamber" is proof enough that he was dead at one point.
So what does all of this mean? Well it basically confirms that we are playing as Wind Waker link. After all, he's the only Link who would know that the King had died. He also wears a blue shirt.
But here's the thing: Much like MGSV, you're not actually the character you think you are. Youre a fake WW Link, meant to distract Ganon from the real Link, and provide hope for the people of Hyrule
>>342147734
Not really.
>>342148301
That's just a Moblin
>>342139230
>BotW Link
>Not wearing the clothes of the Hero
>Instead wearing a tunic only reserved for "people respected by the Royal family"
>The royal family must know about the hero since the heiress of the family is always the holder of the Triforce of Wisdom
>This Link is not a real Link
>His eyes are of a tone of blue similar to the magic glow of the Sheikah technology
>yfw Link probably is a robot, a Sheikah or a clone of the hero
>>342146992
I know there were connected games, but it was better when they didn't give a shit. I had always thought of Zelda as being different iterations of the same old story told as legend throughout generations except for in the cases in which there are clear sequels: OoT > MM > WW, etc. But no, it's some generation spanning curse, or something. Just makes it seem more lame in that case.
>>342139230
Too bad your theory is deep and too high a quality to show up in a LoZ game.
That being said, I'm about to BLOW. YOUR. MIND. with this theory.
>cRaZy ThEoRy
>ur link
>oshit, ganon's out of the cage again, maybe we should reconsider how we handle him
>... after this one time tho
>save the princess, boi
>WHOaoaodAWOoa, CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT THE SHRINE WAS[your choice of either the container of the master sword or secretly the seal that held ganon down in the first place, unlocking the next 6 dungeons once you fuck it up royaly]
>YOU SAVED HER, and i guess ganon's just in the shadow realm or whatever, man, don't worry, im sure this time it wont go horribly wrong for the historically ignorant youth of our nation's future
>we'll slot this into the timeline later, so just do what the fuck ever, man
>the end
>>342139230
The link you play as is simply another one in a long line of Sheikah Magi-tech clones who have repeatedly attempted to thwart Ganondorf but failed.
>>342139230
The whole game is actually taking place inLorulethe whole time
>>342147671
Sort of actually.
People are living in fear in caves from Ganon in LoZ and Zelda I is asleep, put under a curse, with LoZ Link collecting the Triforce of Wisdom to fight Ganon, there is a Death Mountain and Lost Woods too.
The only real inconsistencies would by Hyrule Castle and the Temple of Time existing. Which the latter is an easy retcon, the other, not so much considering Zelda I sleeps in North Palace which is quite a good ways away from where it should be.
The Downfall Map I made earlier matching up the Hyrules. If anybody wants to know how I matched them up, I'll let ya know.
Based on which way the entrance of the Temple of Time in BotW is facing, Death Mountain would be near the Lanaryu Temple of Time and Hyrule Castle near the Royal Crypts/ALttP Kakariko for a very rough estimate since certain things can move around.
However Link's starting point in LoZ would match that leak from before E3 with Link starting out in the desert oddly enough, though that Link is pretty much bogus now.
>>342148301
the capcom games have a bunch of inconsistencies due to being, well, capcom games
What was that fan created hoax of a game idea between Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword? It was supposed to have told the story of the flood, or something. Surely I'm not making this up in my head.
>>342148669
I still don't understand why they didn't just make the Four Sword saga a separate universe, it would've fit much better
>>342139230
The arrow is on the wrong side of the bow. Dopey artist. Is that actually a nintendo approved image?
>>342148776
To be clearer, this was an idea before the production of Skyward Sword was even known about.
>>342148776
It was between WW and OoT
http://zeldauniverse.net/2012/02/04/looking-back-at-the-legend-of-zelda-valley-of-the-flood/
And yes, it seems EXACTLY what this game is
>>342148776
>Twilight Princess occurs before Skyward Sword
Wait, yes. Yes! This is the answer to all the questions. Breath of the Wild is midquel that connects these two by the reconstruction of the Temple of Time. Twilight Princess is actually the first Zelda game, in a cyclical forlorn tale of the inescapability of fate. The characters don't know they have been at this for thousands of years and will be at it for many more.
The Temple of Time is the base connecting all timelines.
>>342148793
>Four Swords saga began as a sidegame included within ALttP, using the same engine.
>would have fit better as a separate universe
What did he mean by that?
>>342149340
>What did he mean by that?
What did you mean by that you little shit?
>the curse means Hyrule is perpetually doomed and Ganon's ultimate victory is essentially inevitable
Cool.
>>342148947
I meant between in terms of being produced by Nintendo, but that's what I was thinking of, thanks.
Isn't Wind Waker basically the game that tells the story of the flood? Like OoT, it's a time loop story, you go out on the flood to defeat Ganondorf, and the King decides to flood Hyrule in order to kill him resulting in the flood you had to sail in order to beat him. Or am I completely retarded and getting that story wrong? Zelda lore makes no fucking sense to me.
>>342149340
>Wait, yes. Yes! This is the answer to all the questions. Breath of the Wild is midquel that connects these two by the reconstruction of the Temple of Time. Twilight Princess is actually the first Zelda game, in a cyclical forlorn tale of the inescapability of fate. The characters don't know they have been at this for thousands of years and will be at it for many more. The Temple of Time is the base connecting all timelines.
nigga wat
>>342148256
>MGSV
Where does Skull Kid fit into this?
>>342149820
ocarina of time created multiple timelines
>>342149785
Hope Link at least gets turned into Ganon's sex slave after his absolute victory
Why even conquer Hyrule if that's not what you are going to do?
>>342149820
No, you got it wrong
Hyrule was flooded the entire time, but it got protected by a bubble
King lifted out the bubble at the end of the game drowning Hyrule forever
WW Link has never traveled in time
>>342150148
ganon's not gay u gay
>>342150116
I will never understand why the "the hero is defeated" timeline exists.
I mean it doesn't make sense, why is the split after OoT and not after any other game? Technically every game can potentially end with Link losing.
What's the deal with that?
Hey anyone have the image of the guy climbing up the pole and seeing what looks like an airship in the BotW demo?
>>342150327
Because it's not an in-universe split, it's just that they decided to make two different versions of the story, you should read it as an alternate sequel
>>342150327
Because two Hero of Times exist concurrently, one who fails, and one who doesn't. No other games have two Links that exist concurrently, one is destined to fail for that very reason. It's all due to his fuckery with the Temple of Time/Master Sword, with Zelda causing the split between Child/Adult with the Ocarina of Time.
That is why no other game has a divergent failure timeline despite dealing with time travel, they don't cause such massive paradoxes to the point that two heroes must exist at once.
>>342150327
I think it's because ocarina of time was the only game that servery fucked with the fabric of reality
>>342150505
But the Historia straight up calls it a timeline...
>>342150654
ActuallyLink Between Worlds has two Links, but the other, Ravioli, is from another world and looks terrible with his black hair, basically poor man's dark lanky
>>342150367
Thats Skyloft, silhouette matches at 99%.
>>342150654
Oh it's you again
I see you still go around promoting your stupid theory with no logical sense
>>342150805
Well yeah, but you know what I mean, they aren't technically the same Link, as much as say Fierce Deity/Link or Link/Termina Tingle are the same Link.
>>342150857
You sure?
>>342150804
It's a timeline because it's a line of time, that means nothing
So will it be an NX launch title? Will it release on Wii U at the same time? Because I don't want to have to buy it twice.
>>342146851
HH can suck it.
Even when the Master Sword is out in the sacred grove, the grove is really just the bare floor of the old Temple of Time. You see this in TP directly. Even in LTTP, the master Sword has a pedestal, even though there are no other parts of the temple walls remaining. They blatantly recreated the imagery, if for nothing else than the closing credits. Final conclusion is that despite many inconsistencies in placement and names of the ToT, there is only one that holds the Master Sword, and it is the same place seen in SS.
This place is gone beyond repair after WW. This place is decayed beyond repair in TP. This place is decayed beyond existence in LTTP. If the true ToT stands, then the new game must occur during a time before it was lost.
Ganon still remains a potential problem for this theory however.
Suppose this.
The robots were created by Lanayru, the dragon.
The timeshift stones have inscriptions that resemble the Sheikah symbol.
The Sheikah (Impa) existed in the past while the robots were still operating.
The lands of the Gerudo were lush and green, before the robots moved in and mined all the timeshift stones away.
The Gerudo existed in the past while the robots were still operating, because things were named after them in SS.
Koume and Kotake are really fucking old, and had some part of raising Ganondorf.
The Gerudo are never seen again after OOT.
Take all of that and then some, and consider this.
A time period in which the Gerudo have nothing, while Hyrule has everything, between SS and OOT.
A war against the world by the Gerudo.
The Sheikah use the technology at their disposal to create war machines.
The Gerudo summon demons, and Calamity Ganon, to fight against the technology.
The war has been a quagmire for centuries.
This game could conceivably be about Ganon becoming Ganondorf. Young Koume and Kotake may even use Link to make it happen, under the guise of saving Hyrule from Ganon.
>>342150872
It straight up says so in the Hyrule Historia.
>>342150116
That's stupid. You're stupid.
>>342150989
The thing in that webm even has the same bridges and floating mini islands. Yes,
>>342151102
Tell me where it does please
I've got the book here with me, give me the page
>>342151151
Coolio.
Not as cool as an airship but good enough for me
>people still pushing the "it's just a legend retold thing"
Why?
>>342151340
Because that cuts out the useless struggle to try and make it all make sense. Forcing the timeline was a retarded move.
>>342150805
Lots of people consider him to BE Dark Link, but for a different Link's era, in such a way that for every Link there is a Ravio. The dark link that we come into combat with is Ravio, hating you for being the hero that he wasn't for his now-ruined Lorule, or even just fighting you to find out what he could have done better.
>>342151554
It makes perfect sense though.
The only thing that doesn't make sense is why Link was trying to assemble the Triforce of Wisdom in LoZ. Where was Courage?
>>342139230
OoT link that died to Ganon, resurrected
>>342151340
Well, every game has been a legend retold. I don't see why this one wouldn't be. I also don't see why thinking this is "pushing" it.
>>342151941
Courage was hidden in the final palace of Zelda 2, everyone but Impa forgot about it
>>342151186
this page right here >>342150116
You can't tell me that a story retold can lead to such overly drastic different games, let alone eras. Eras are set in stone, they don't just magically change with the time. By your logic they're both the same story just told differently, in one the Hero of Time dies and the other he lives. How would that end up changing the course of history and it's eras through nothing more than words?
It can't. That'd be like us having stories of JFK's death, but no it's just a story, a legend passed down. In one he dies, one he lives, but in the one he lives there is a magical kingdom where everything is beautiful and lovely, that's the Child Era, while we're in the Downfall Era where everything is dark and bleak because of JFK's death.
Do you see how stupid that sounds, that means they're the same timeline but different stories told, so much so that literally history is completely and utterly different on an asinine level. Sure details about the story can change "dark world/twilight world" but not the fact that there are literally massive differences between the two sides.
Besides the Historia has them on different sides for a reason, as opposed to "These are the same, they're just stories retold!"
>>342151941it was inside you all along!
>>342151947
It is plausible that this is the fabled third timeline. Ganon's condition supports it. The state of the Temple of Time supports it. The abundance of technology gets in the way of it, but newer games always have better items.
>>342151554
I've seen so many people since Historia came out make perfect sense of it where it causes no problems whatsoever beyond TP's Hyrule and FSA's Hyrule. FSA should be in between ALBW and LoZ, but the point is, the timeline makes sense believe it or not. Not hard to understand really.
>>342151947
Stylized too differently from both young and adult OOT link, and I don't think it's just an in-between either, since Links are usually related to similarly stylized Links.
>>342142583
>Malladus
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
>>342152051
Never says the split happens in-universe
>It can't. That'd be like us having stories of JFK's death, but no it's just a story, a legend passed down. In one he dies, one he lives, but in the one he lives there is a magical kingdom where everything is beautiful and lovely, that's the Child Era, while we're in the Downfall Era where everything is dark and bleak because of JFK's death.
Because you still see the legend as something passed down in-universe: consider the Nolan Batman and Burton's Batman, they're two versions of a different story: is there a reason in-universe? No because they're two separate work of fiction, and such is Zelda: two different works of fiction with half chunk of the story being the same
>>342151941
You know why it doesn't make sense? Because it doesn't have to in an Earth timeline in which a Zelda timeline doesn't exist.
>>342148081
It was first forged by The Hero to ascend Skyloft, right? Or was that the Goddess sword?
What happened between OoT and TP? In OoT the Master Swords rests just besides Hyrule castle, and in TP, which is supposed to be like a century after, it's abandoned in a very far away grove. How and why did they move the entire castle+city in that time?
What if they reset all timelines or make them converge in BotW, so they can reboot the timeline and stop this autism?
I'm thinking about something like X-men days of future past.
>>342152315
Based purely on this theory, I'd say it's the next generation of Skyward Sword's Link taking the land back for the first time since the humans started living in the air.
>>342152545
Most of the games put the temple out in the woods. OOT just told that part of the story wrong.
>>342152485
It was first created by Hylia herself
If you believe the Historia manga is canon it was reforged like two times
>>342152545
OoT's temple of time is a mistake, they wanted it to be inside the forest like allt he other Zelda games, couldn't because of graphical reasons
>>342152617
Not gonna happen.
Nintendo don't like going back on things they deem worthy to put into print, regardless of how retarded it is.
>>342152373
Guess that means the Adult Timeline is also just a legend passed down, since it also never says the split happens in universe.
Besides you can argue different timelines are different universes from the moment of their split, it's a pretty commonly accepted theory.
Then again I guess the creators showing the clear split off from OoT and all the games that connect from there are wrong, my bad. I guess they view them all as different stories told despite sequels existing.
>>342152716
>If you believe the Historia manga is canon
Not him, but I'm pretty sure it is canon.
>>342152747
The adult timeline is actually said to be an in-universe split on page 91
>>342152617
That would completely invalidate the consequences of any previous games. Not only is that unsatisfying if you actually LIKED most of those games, but it would also entail Nintendo implying that they were WRONG, which is the only real reason I can give you that they will never do this.
Does any other Link, wear blue earrings?
>>342139230
>Here's mine, post yours
Okay.
Oh, but, before I get all excited: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJMEpOiPZG8 This guy posted a pretty compelling video about what he thought about Zelda: Breath of the wild's timeline placement.
>Ganondorf is the old man & Ganon is the calamity/smokey thing. Ganondorf has been separated from Ganon, but all this did was create an unsympathetic, emotionless, cloud of evil due to removing the 'human' elements from it. Ganondorf will be a lesser of two-evils kind of deal.
>This is the furthest(last?) Zelda on the timeline: it's the furthest from the point of skyward sword and this is visible due to the wear and physical degradation of what was otherwise a seemingly invincible sword.
>Despite my link I -do- think this takes place after wind waker: The Koroks/Great Deku Tree WON and was able to unflood the land via planting numerous trees/mangrove groves that artificially created landmasses and so forth on their roots and bows. These Trees may have even raised the sea floor via their roots pulling it up- creating the odd plateaus and dotting the world with ponds, pools and kettles formed from remaining sea water.
>Prominent characters such as Ganondorf, Zelda and Link may have stopped "truly" reincarnating, I.E: Link was sealed away in the sheikah cryo-sleep because they knew this may very well be THE LAST. ONE. Zelda may not be around as we know her- Maybe Ganondorf couldn't contain Ganon anymore or something? Maybe that's why he was spared?
>>342152545
They didn't move the Temple of Time. Forest and shit just grew around it, it was abandoned.
TP's Hyrule is the only Hyrule that doesn't match up with any of the others. The others all match up in some way, especially Death Mountain, outside of TP's. You can assume "tectonic shifts and changes in geography" due to the wide chasms and valleys surrounding Hyrule, but it makes no sense when FSA comes immediately after and everything matches up again and Hyrule is surrounded by water like it is in the Downfall Timeline.
>>342152846
There are so many plot points different from SS, I doubt it is
>>342152925
OoT - adult
Maybe SS
>>342151085
You are missing the point, which is that the Master Sword is NOT inside the Temple of Time, in the Great Plateau in the E3 demo.
Ergo, I'm asking you and HH advocates; where is it?
>>342152925
OoT link uso earings but they are white
>>342153056
I haven't read it in a while, got the plot points on hand?
>>342153136
>Ergo
You should say "therfore"
"Ergo" traditionally comes mid-sentence
>>342152925
Hyrule Warriors
New game is literal legend remake of LoZ.
>>342153136
>>342153389
Therefore*
fuck phone posting
>>342152664
>>342152716
That makes a lot of sense, thanks. It's a pity, I would have loved to see the Temple in full glory in the middle of a forest.
>>342153000
What in TP doesn't match up?
>>342152879
Pg. 69
Beginning with the creation of heaven and earth and Skyward Sword, the timeline splits into 3 branches following Ocarina of Time. A branch depending on whether Link arises victorious or is defeated, and a further branch for the Child Era Link originally inhabited and the Adult Era in which he no longer exists.
>3 branches
>>342153497
Quite a lot actually. All of these are based on some factor or another such as the way the Temple of Time is facing, Death Mountain/Lost Woods, etc.
You can see almost everything matches up pretty soundly outside of TP's 'known' places.
Yellow Dots=Multiple Areas that exist through games (such as Hyrule Castle is the same Hyrule Castle for every single game but TP/FSA).
Black Dots=Singular Areas
>>342153268
>Crimson Bird has a tatoo on his peak, is edgy AF, can talk with humans
>Master Sword existed as a Master Sword before the events of SS, do we really have to believe it reverted to Goddess for no reason?
>Link's spirit existed before SS even though he is supposed to reincarnate following Demise curse
>>342153525
First, it says "chronology" which splitting doesn't mean it happens in universe, notice that only when talking about the Adult/Child split it says "two separate realities"
>>342153948
Link doesn't have to reincarnate for the curse to work. You just need new heroes to show up.
>>342153948
Doesn't in the manga Hylia also not get mortally wounded like Zelda says in the game? I seem to recall Link dies instead.
Not that guy.
>>342153948
>Crimson Bird has a tatoo on his peak, is edgy AF, can talk with humans
I don't understand, is this supposed to be important?
>Master Sword existed as a Master Sword before the events of SS, do we really have to believe it reverted to Goddess for no reason?
Could it not just be a case of naming conventions changing?
>Link's spirit existed before SS even though he is supposed to reincarnate following Demise curse
I thought that Links spirit originated inside The Hero
>>342154187
The point is he's reincarnated before the curse shit
>>342154243
Yup
>>342139230
Relevant banner.
>>342154187
Not that guy, but it doesn't make sense that Link fights Demise before Skyward Sword, and Demise doesn't remember him.
He specifically says "So you're the Goddess' Knight?"
It also doesn't make sense that Link and Hylia are involved in a conflict of evil in general if he wasn't cursed before Skyward Sword.
>>342154309
>I don't understand, is this supposed to be important?
Yes, since he's easily imprisoned by Groose, hasn't got the tatoo and sure can't talk
>Could it not just be a case of naming conventions changing?
No: Goddess Sword is different in looks and everything
>I thought that Links spirit originated inside The Hero
Which is SS's hero
>>342154413
This too
>>342153136
The platform actually greatly resembles the one of the SS Temple of Time, I could simply have had a change of climate over time, possible even as an effect of the events of SS. The only other place I can think of off the top of my head that looks anything like that sword stand ignoring the climate change theory is in the Minish Cap, when you get it in the woods, or rather, when you reforge it there. The game could take place some time after this, with the newly reforged Master Sword replaced in the forging stand in the woods. I sincerely doubt that they'd be trekking into Minish Cap territory, though, especially with a link nearly identical to the SS link. I would even accept that the Temple of Time just up and moved, as it already has a certain jurisdiction over time, which is a significantly more impressive feat than teleportation.
>>342154502
It's supposed to be the same bird?!
>No: Goddess Sword is different in looks and everything
I'll need to look into that, like I said it's been a while.
>Which is SS's hero
Which would make him the first reincarnation, the first official "Link", because The Hero died below, no?
>>342139230
>recovery capsule
full retard
>>342153948
Pg. 92
The Hero of Time is, of all things, defeated by Ganondorf. Ganondorf obtains the Triforce and become the Demon King, Ganon, who continues to menace the world even in later eras. The conflicts surrounding the Triforce happen again and again, the blood of the gods wanes, and the kingdom of Hyrule is reduced in size.
>The Hero of Time, IS defeated
That means he lost, he can't lose and succeed. That straight up confirms that he indeed did lose, but it also confirms on Pg. 91 that he indeed did succeed, that means there are two of them.
Besides Pg. 91 and your split doesn't say they are two separate realities, it says the presence of the Hero of Time caused the Adult/Child timeline, there is no presence of the Hero of Time in the Downfall portion because he's gone, he is defeated.
>>342154773
>Pg. 92 stuff
Geez, no wonder it's sure he is defeated if you literally go on the page where it tells you to go to follow the story where he's defeated, you have already crossed split territory
Pg. 91
It tells that stuff only about the adult/child timeline though, no mention about the other split being in-universe caused
Pic related is the "two reality" stuff
>>342154413
Agreed.
The curse in Skyward Sword, can be directly applied to The Imprisoned attempting to return in the future, even though Demise was defeated in the past.
Interpreting it to apply to Link/Zelda/Ganon is poetic and fitting, but not necessary at all, because the curse is specifically there to account for the seen events in SS.
Even if the curse could be blamed for Link/Zelda/Ganon, it doesn't have to imply any kind of reincarnation or lineage for Link. Link can be a new guy, chosen by the goddesses for being courageous. Zelda reincarnates, because she is housing the soul of Hylia. Ganon comes back when he has a reason to, but sometimes other bad guys are there instead of him to fill the role predicted by Demise.
Demise may as well have been predicting war in the middle east, because the curse was going to happen with or without him yelling curses at them.
Can we please shut the fuck up about the fucking timeline.
It doesn't matter if it's a timeline, alternate what if universes, legends retold, or whatever. Believe whatever the fuck you want, but shut the fuck about it.
>>342154535
But that's what I'm saying!
IT'S NOT IN THE SEALED TEMPLE """""IF""""" THE SEALED TEMPLE IS THE -TEMPLE OF TIME- BECAUSE THTE TEMPLE OF TIME IS VACANT.
THEREFORE (thanks other anon), is the Temple of Time not the Sealed Temple, or has the Master Sword moved?
DO YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN?
Link is not Link.
Either clone or something pretending to be him.
Real Link failed and this is back-up plan.
>>342154649
>It's supposed to be the same bird?!
Yes, the ending page shows it
>>342155172
That page literally confirms there are 3 timelines anon, I don't think you want to use it as evidence that there are only 2.
>>342155391
I definitely need to look into it again.
Thanks anon.
Which is more convoluted?
Zelda or Kingdom Hearts?
Seeing people argue over timelines after all these years really makes me wish Nintendo just left it alone. Trying to make sense of things that weren't created to make sense is something else...
>>342155394
It never says one timeline is split in-universe though
The truth is, there are two different canons, with the Downfall being its own, yet you nsist on forcing it in a only canon because you can't accept something as a work of fiction
>>342155331
It's been confirmed the Sealed Temple becomes the Temple of Time.
You've got to remember that Hyrule changes over time and north isn't always exactly North, the maps do have to be rotated and increased/decreased in size to have everything match up perfectly.
>>342149785
Ganon is always fated to be defeated though, in one way or another.
>>342155223
>Believe whatever the fuck you want, but shut the fuck about it.
The problem is, Nintendo confirmed the timeline. We're doomed to a cursed eternity of these threads
>>342155532
Kingdom hearts isn't convoluted, it's actually pretty straightforward with everything being explained ingame.
The stuff it deals with is just really wacky.
Zelda is more convoluted, as it really requires players to be perceptive.
I hope you idiots are ready to explore all of thisYou aren't
Is he right?
>>>/vg/146077927
>Deku Tree is a liar
>>342155575
I'm not even the same guy. The page you posted straight up said there are 2 branches from OoT, with one of those branches diverging itself.
It's pretty goddamn simple to understand if you have a reading comprehension above kindergarten. Also yes, it does say it happens in universe.
>It splits after Ocarina of Time, with one timeline depicting the events that follow Ganon's Triumph, and other his defeat.
Reading comprehension, do you fucking have it?
>>342155532
KH, but neither are hard to understand if you have an ounce of intelligence.
The game's got me hyped, but shamefully I've only really played some handheld Zeldas.
Popped in WW HD, but honestly it's really boring, sailing is quite dull and the islands are empty as hell.
Should I just emulate OOT instead? Seems like the wiser choice.
>>342155925
Chronology
noun, plural chronologies.
1.
the sequential order in which past events occur.
2.
a statement of this order.
3.
the science of arranging time in periods and ascertaining the dates and historical order of past events.
4.
a reference work organized according to the dates of events.
>a reference work organized according to the dates of events.
That's it, chronology split doesn't mean UNIVERSE SPLIT or something, it's just a timetable split one following one canon and one the other
>>342155831
The map seems to have changed a lot though. The Plateau is very close to a desert, according to what we've seen in the demo, and the closest desert in that pic is too far away.
>>342156138
I'm going to assume you're retarded, that other anon probably isn't right either, but an in-universe explanation is Link is defeated. Simple as goddamn that. You can't be this fucking dumb not to get basic comprehension of things told to you by the creators themselves, you just fucking can't.
>>342156316
Yes, that's what happens in the other canon, but there's not two realities or something causing realities to split
>>342156512
I don't think you understand how time travel and alternate timelines work at fucking all.
>>342155902
The Deku Tree is an old senile moron.
>tfw Historia revealed Majora's Mask and Wind Waker and their subsequent games aren't canon
>>342156602
Since you're so smart, tell me what possibly could've caused it to split in the time travel, keeping in mind in OoT Link never changes the universe flow, he only lives time in a non-linear fashion
The only thing I could accept is a timeline "split" like in Quantum Physics theories where everything that can happen happens, but even there, that's not too different from having two different canons
>>342139230
>BoTW Link is either a synthetic clone or a highly sentient android/guardian created by the Sheikah as a last resort effort to slay Calamity Ganon
>the real Link died 100 years ago to Calamity Ganon's sheer power, so the Sheikah were requested to create an artificial copy; perhaps embedding the deceased hero's latent memories into the copy's mind
>But there was a glitch and most of these of these copied memories were erased either way, which is why he can't recognize Zelda's voice but can vaguely remember the Sheikah slate, or why the old man asks him if he recalls Zelda's voice and why he's testing him
>the only way this fake Link can defeat Ganon is by earning the spirit orbs through the shrine trials he completes, which are remnants of the spirit of the hero left over by the defeated Link from 100 years ago
>cue plot twist where he tries to take on Ganon early, only to realize that he isn't the hero or even human, and therefore has to continue on his search to become more human with the spirit shards + end game plot device
>when he earns enough of the orbs + end game plot device, he has enough "humanity"/"hero's spirit" to wield and repair the Master sword and defeat Ganon. He also gets the green tunic here
>but like the Sheikah monks who disappear once they've completed their purpose in giving him the spirit orbs, Link is destined to deactivate after completing his purpose
>Cue tragic and bitter end for Linkdeactivating as the final closing scene in the credits
>very final scene post-credits hows a decayed robot body hunched over the master sword, in a similar state to a number of deactivated guardians surrounding the area
Basically I just want this to be a bittersweet tale of an android learning what it means to be human, and going so far that he becomes something greater - one of the greatest Links ever.
Would fit well with the somber tone and juxtaposing themes of technology and nature within the game.
Doubt it'll happen though.
>>342157039
>Do hyliandroids dream of electric cuckoos?
D:
>>342156962
>OoT Link never changes the universe flow
>literally creates a paradox with the Song of Storms and a temporal loop
>is constantly going back and forth in between time
>The Temple of TIME is involved
>he's called the Hero of TIME
>One of them dies and one of them lives
Yeah there is totally nothing that he could do that could create a weird timeline, but wait the Historia says the OoT does indeed diverge into two timelines, but one diverges into two more.
Well I guess that's wrong then, guess it's just a completely weird retelling non-canon universe., despite if that was the case a different universe is the same thing as an alternate timeline.
>>342157039
>cue plot twist where he tries to take on Ganon early, [...]
Nah, they confirmed you can totally take on and defeat Ganon in less than an hour.
Also, somehow for what they've said, I don't think this game will have a very "active" plot. You'll passively learn about what happened, but I don't believe we will have many cutscenes or many dialogs. Just explore the world, get strong and go face Ganon when you feel you're ready.
I kinda hope I'm wrong though.
>>342153136
But maybe it is inside the ToT, maybe rocks have formed and grass has been growing inside?
>>342148947
>mfw remembering when people were so desperate for more Zelda news that they actually believed that fake as fuck interview
>>342155603
Am I being rused by a master troll?
>It's been confirmed the Sealed Temple becomes the Temple of Time.
THAT'S THE VERY POINT THAT'S IN DEBATE HERE!
If the Master Sword is not in the Temple of Time, then it can't be the Sealed Temple because the Master Sword rests IN. THE. SEALED. TEMPLE.
You HH defenders and your circular logic make my head spin so hard I could warp into another universe.
>>342141757
But it is clearly a new Hyrule Castle
>>342153136
>>342157637
It's not in the Temple of Time in the Downfall Timeline either, it's off in the woods.
>>342157551
>literally creates a paradox with the Song of Storms and a temporal loop
Literally a paradox that happens to NOT create splits
And all the other stuff still doesn't mean he changes anything
>guess it's just a completely weird retelling non-canon universe
It's a work of fiction: downfall is not canon for the other two timelines and the other two are not canon for downfall, just the same Witcher books and games follow different timelines from a certain point onwards
>>342157039
My problem with this rather popular theory of Link being a Robot/clone etc collecting memories/parts of the Hero's Spirit to create an artificial Hero is that there's absolutely no reason the substitute would be successful where the original Link failed. Why would a false Link utilizing the original Link's essence, using the same advantages he no doubt used against Calamity Ganon like the Master Sword and maybe the Triforce, be able to do a better job? Or is he just gonna lose again? He's also apparently giving those spirit orbs to someone else, so he has even less going for him.
If the old man is supposedly Ganandorf without Ganon inside, and he's taking the spirit orbs from false Link, is he going to use them to somehow seal Ganon within himself once more, allowing false Link enough of an advantage to Seal Ganon again using the Master Sword and Triforce? That's the only way I see this theory working out, but even then, why would Human Ganandorf with the spirit of the Hero fare any better than the Hero?
why is everyone thinking that this game will have mind fucking twists and a complex story?
>>342157551
>There is a timeline in which Link has to learn the Song of Storms from someone else.
>The delay is why he ultimately fails.
>At least he managed to send the song back to his past self, to create a better line.
>>342146058
I think they are inspired by Short Peace.
>>342139230
I think the story is gonna be super edgy, at least for Nintendo. Main characters getting killed off, genocide, slavery, Link being ruthless and anti-social, that kind of stuff.
>>342157637
>>342157894
HOT DAAAAAAAAAMN!!!!!!!
Getting through to you people is like drilling into the earth's core with a sledgehammer.
Listen to me!
I am saying that, the Temple of Time in the E3 demo, CANNOT be the OoT Temple of Time. or else it cannot be the Sealed Temple.
One or the other have to be bullshit, and my money is on Hyrule Historia.
>>342157806
BotW's map straight up says Temple of Time, you see it on the bottom of the screen when you enter the area too.
It doesn't always rest in the Temple of Time, look at ALttP for instance, that's not the Temple of Time/Sealed Grounds. it's completely different, which is where it is in BotW from the trailer.
>>342157806
>That murales in the end
THAT IS CLEARLY LINK
HOW CAN RITO AND ZORAS LIVE TOGETHER TOO
WTF
>>342157965
Because the game demo was dropping such hints, and so was Aonuma in interviews.
>>342158101
>Link being ruthless and anti-social
They've already expressed that Link's traits will always be set in stone, because that's what it means to be Link as the protagonist in a Zelda game. Anything other than that wouldn't be Linkunless this isn't truly Link. This is one of the main reasons the developers are so adamant about him being male too. Link will always be the helpful, courageous hero.
>>342156071
You should get your shit together and play everything, or leave.
>>342158101
Since when are characters dying a lot, genocide, and slavery off limits for Nintendo? Have you never played Fire Emblem?
>>342157965
because they're really clamping down on story spoilers and we got MGS fans hanging out in these threads
all I want is something on par with Link's Awakening and the bittersweet ending
>>342157918
>And all the other stuff still doesn't mean he changes anything
Except the Historia confirms it. Meaning something he does creates it, not hard to understand.
>It's a work of fiction: downfall is not canon for the other two timelines and the other two are not canon for downfall, just the same Witcher books and games follow different timelines from a certain point onwards
No fucking shit, they're different timelines/universes.
>>342158182
Or you know, it's just an inconsistency with Aonuma, not that hard man. It's safe to assume they're the same place. Historia is canon, simple as that.
It's honestly not hard to assume it's just a simple inconsistency, it is Zelda.
>>342158491
>Except the Historia confirms it. Meaning something he does creates it, not hard to understand.
No it doesn't, he just says tht's what happens if he is defeat
>>342154328
Cute banner
Well fuck it, maybe this is the outcome of all 3 timelines. A timeline that could not be prevented no matter what happened.
>>342148612
J-just because something's probably true doesn't mean it's okay to say it.
>>342158456
>Since when are characters dying a lot, genocide, and slavery off limits for Nintendo?
A more recent example is Xenoblade X. You get racism, you get interracial marriage, you get doomsday cults, you get domestic terrorist attacks, you get that fucking 99 exploding red lobster quest scattered all over the fucking city.
Calamity Ganon is the combined spirit of demise and malladus. The world is new hyrule after thousands of years and cycles of links. At some point, the ocean recedes, the master sword is recovered by a link, and Ganondorf is released.
>>342150654
>>342150327
I always thought a better way to create that timeline was this
>Timeline 1
Adult timeline that no longer has a Link, forcing another reincarnation in the WW timeline.
>Timeline 2
Timeline created when Zelda has Link return to before the start of the game, to warn her about Ganondorf before he rises to power, as seen in OuTs ending, leads to MM and TP.
>Timeline 3
Original child timeline where Link no longer exists due to being sent back further than intended. Leads Ganondorf to rise to power with no Link to stop him, leads in to the Imprisoning War and ALttP
>>342158567
>TWO timelines are created from Ocarina of Time
>One where he triumphs, One where is does not
>TWO
There is no ifs, ands, or buts, it straight up says that TWO (do you know what this means?) timelines are created from OoT, with one of those becoming Adult and Child, making for a total of THREE.
It is confirmed, just because it doesn't tell us exactly how there was a divergence due to the Temple of Time/Master Sword doesn't mean that a split didn't occur in some way.
Seriously this is comprehension a child can fucking understand.
>>342142563
That is such a god awful sound track. The original overworld theme would have been so perfect.
Heres hoping its in there still.
>>342158797
A better way would've been to stick with ALttP original backstory for Ganon making it a different Ganon altogether and sticking it and its sequel in the end of the child timeline
>Ganon is the old man theories
>Wind Waker sequel theories
Lazy shit, go back to the writing room
>>342158797
Huh. That is better.
>>342158958
Except in still never says it happens in universe: two timelines are created by the creators of the game themselves
>>342159152
Oh my fucking god, you might literally be the dumbest fucking person on 4chan, and that's a goddamn accomplishment.
It says it happens in universe, it goddamn fucking says it diverges in Ocarina of Time due to the Hero of Time failing, that's a....goddammit you're fucking retarded. I can't do this anymore, I've legit never seen anyone as fucking stupid with such a poor level of reading comprehension in my entire fucking life, and that is also an accomplishment.
Congratulations anon.
>>342158491
IT'S NOT A MATTER OF YOUR SHITTY CANON ANYMORE!
IT'S A MATTER OF WHAT'S RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF YOUR FACE.
Let me put this to you as simply as I can possibly word it.
The Master Sword rests in the Sealed Temple.
Hyrule Historia posits that this is OoT Temple of Time.
Breath of the Wild shows you a Temple of Time.
Either there are two Temple of Times, or the Temple of Time in Breath of the Wild is taking place long after the clip at the end of the trailer, in which case the Master Sword has been moved.
But we both know it's not going to be the latter, so the only conlclusiion is that the Hyrule Historia is full of shit.
>>342157963
>Why would a false Link utilizing the original Link's essence, using the same advantages he no doubt used against Calamity Ganon like the Master Sword and maybe the Triforce, be able to do a better job?
I mentioned that he comes across another plot maguffin that gives him enough power to defeat Ganon or something.
And honestly who knows. You might as well ask the same why OoT Link was defeated by Ganon in one of the timelines, yet perfectly manages to defeat him in the other two.
Also the old man has practically been confirmed to be the King now. In one of the demos, you can hear the Hyrule Castle jingle theme when he approaches you.
>>342157609
>Nah, they confirmed you can totally take on and defeat Ganon in less than an hour.
...And Aonuma implied that you'd be missing out on a LOT by doing so. Like the mystery behind behind Link's backstory and why he wakes up in that resurrection chamber in the first place.
My guess is that rushing towards him without completing the story mode will trigger a bad ending scenario where you die and only manage to achieve in keeping him sealed for just a little while longer.
>>342153136
Theory.
The goddess statues... you don't suppose after a certain amount of requirements, those statues will reveal a path to the sword?
>>342157609
>Nah, they confirmed you can totally take on and defeat Ganon in less than an hour.
What if calamity Ganon isn't the main threat
>>342157806
>mfw this pic is what Zelda threads will encompass for the next 9 months
Truly, BoTW is the new MGSV of our generation.
>>342157039
>decayed robot body hunched over the master sword
>>342159410
>Hyrule Historia is full of shit.
I don't think it is full of shit, but I do think it can be retconed at any time, they just won't stop for a timeline in a book that will soon become outdated.
People are asuming that timeline will get respected for BOTW, but the truth is that if they want to tell a story they won't stop to think about it all making sense for the timeline.
>>342153136
Likely some kind of time travel nonsense or its in a hidden part of the temple, like OoT and TP
>>342159408
It says "after OoT" which doesn't mean in universe in any language
But it's okay, I accept you're too much of an autist to accept to get off from your headcanon
>>342159410
>In which case the Master Sword has been moved
Or it was moved out of the Temple of Time somehow which is why it's not there in BotW. Why is it alright for the Master Sword to be in the Lost Woods in ALttP but not in BotW? I'm going to assume you're basing it on the logic that the Temple of Time/Castle Town become the Lost Woods of ALttP, which is a fine assumption.
Can it also be a different Temple of Time? Sure, I'm going to assume based on it's structure that it's likely not though. It's better to just assume Aonuma fucked up, how hard is that, Zelda does it all the fucking time.
>>342159050
yeah everybody knows it's Zelda 3
>>342158265
>>342158482
if that's the case then i will drop crazy(impossible)ideas too:
>the old man is actually a link from the future
>he has been travelling through time and timelines
>he was the one that made the carvings in the temple of time in TP depicting all of the timelines
>he is the old man you see in the first game
What if "the Wild" is a new enemy?
>>342158230
They're not, it's showing the three timelines, those are different Links
Left to right is: Failed, Adult, Child.
>>342159410
It may be shitty canon, but it's still canon.
The Master Sword has just been moved, simple as that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiAAJQ6ZMdY
neat
Something I wanted to bring up. The original plane for Zelda 1 was that the world is actually a dystopia future and the triforce was a chip that could save mankind. Being that botw is going going TECHNOLOGY on us I wonder if this is a callback to those original plans. Also futuristic elements and tech have always been ideas considered for Zelda games.
Lastly if I remember correctly aonuma said he would like to implement the master cycle from Mario kart 8 into a Zelda game. What if? Might as well do it now
>>342159443
I dunno, they've generally always kept their plot maguffins as the triforce/pieces of triforce, or the master sword/items required to reforge the master sword. I think Introducing another maguffin strong enough to defeat the strongest, literally world ending incarnation of Ganon at this point would be comical. What could exist before/simultaneously the triforce and master sword that wasn't explored already and is stronger than both? Stronger than the almighty powers created by the goddesses themselves? The triforce and master sword pretty much channel the power of the goddesses directly already, so the only option would be for them to intervene directly via some kind of summoning or something, and again, why wouldn't they do something like that as soon as possible if it was an option?
I think the whole Link failing idea is basically considered by many to be the universes Link leaves behind via time travelling. Link is gone in that timeline, so he's failed to stop Ganondorf from doing as he pleases.
>>342160051
Wow that's awesome... This game is going to be great, I just know it
>>342159994
Why should Gorons be on failed timeline? they never show up if not in Oracle games
>>342160118
Silver and Light Arrows, probably triggers a cutscene where Zelda has one of the two and assists you in Battle to take down Ganon in some way.
Why can't Old Man be Rauru?
>>342160193
Rosso in ALBW is Darunia's descendant. He has the Red Coloring on his Portrait as a sage and the Goron Emblem on his belt, that and he looks like a weird Hylian/Goron hybrid.
Could the Temple of Time just have been recreated. Should I play throughard ASAP WWHD and TPHD in preparation? I haven't finished any. Which order
>>342160439
Still, that doesn't seem to be as easily connected to the other timelines as the other two are
>>342160260
Isn't Zelda sleeping or something though? Would she wake up when Ganon finally breaks his Seal?
Has it ever particularly been said what the source of power behind the Light Arrows is? Is it another tool of the Goddesses or something independent? I know in Hyrule Warriors it's literally the power of friendship. They'd have to be stronger than the Master Sword and Triforce still, which I doubt. In all of the other games, they only have enough power to stun Ganon, but the Master Sword and Triforce have the power to seal him.
>all these autists getting pissy over their headcanons and shit thanks to the Historia
Historia is the best thing to happen to Zelda because it shut all you autists the fuck up...well outside of a few stubborn individuals.
>>342160051
Cool shit, reminds me of how Zelda's Lullaby backwards was in Skyward Sword theme.
>>342160531
WW has the best combat system from any of the games. Play TP first, just to not feel bat about when you transition from one to the other.
>>342151330
>>342151151
bullshit
skyloft has already landed.
Also Skyloft does not move like this thing does, the flying island/ship moves all over the map.
>>342158230
>HOW CAN RITO AND ZORAS LIVE TOGETHER TOO
They can't, the mural is split into three sections.
The "Rito" may just be a stage of Ooccoo evolution. Remember they used to be normal Skyloftians
>>342160837
They wouldn't get rid of the Hylia statue though.
>>342160743
that was so lazy. hated it.
>>342160187
famous last words
>>342139230
>the game takes place immediately prior to the great flood
>"Ganon" broke free from his seal, but the hero did not appear
>The people are forced to live underground and in caves, praying to the gods every day to save them
>"Ganon" is "Calamity Ganon". He is the spirit of Demise, which broke free from Ganondorfs body and considers him a failure. Ganondorf is left to wander relatively powerless without the spirit of Demise, where he reflects on his past and actions without the burning hatred and evil of Demise corrupting him.
>Impa and the few remaining Sheikah access their ancient and powerful technology that condemned them centuries ago, to fight back against Calamity Ganon, but their "Gaurdian"s go rogue and attack and kill anything that moves. At the edge of extinction, the last Shiekah boy is sacrificed in an ancient Shiekah shrine that creates souls. The goal- to create the "soul of the hero" within this boy so that he can defeat Calamity Ganon.
>The process took over 100 years, and the boy wakes up without memories. We the player are the "soul of the hero" that guides him and controls his actions.
>Calamity Ganon, and likewise, Demise, will constantly be resurrected if slain. Normal Seals are too weak. So you appeal to the gods to seal time itself and flood Hyrule to protect it from ever being unsealed.
>Ganondorf helps you will some of this, but ultimately his goal is to regain his lost power from Demise and become King of Hyrule- this time motivated by his own reasons instead of Demise's reasons.
>As you seal time with the Master Sword, Ganon sends monsters to storm the castle, but is too late.
>Hyrule is sealed in time, Ganondorf is stuck beneath the waves. Demises spirit- Calamity Ganon, is locked and weakened underneath the Master Sword.
>hundreds of years pass, and Wind Waker happens.
>>342160837
When did you see Skyloft descend? Only the temple drops in the game.
>BotW Link is Tingle, having undergone extensive surgery
>at the end of the game, BotW Link learns the truth through a tape that contains a bunch of grunting
>>342160610
Maybe, who knows with the Zelda thing. I imagine there is something that will allow you to defeat Ganon though in some way. They're pretty consistent on how he's defeated and sealed away.
As for the Light Arrow, I assume it's the power of Hylia since you typically get them from Zelda. I mean Friendship works too, Hylia is all about that.
The Silver Arrows is what is more concerning, are they literally just Silver Arrows? Seems odd that Silver would hurt Ganon, he's not a Werewolf...well he's a Wereboar Demon thing, I feel like other arrows would be made of Silver too anyways, but maybe they're just Iron.
>>342161084
when the ground became safe.
Statue was probably destroyed by Ganon.
>>342160118
Well if the theory about this game being a literal calamity of timelines is true, then maybe this Link won't just be pulling his spirit essence from the Link that died 100 years ago, but from other timelines as well?
Maybe that's why Ganon is so strong now, why he's now confirmed for having multiple forms and was given the 'calamity' title; he also pulled his power from various timelines?
>>342159705
I give up on you. Wew, you are beyond help.
>>342159809
>Why is it alright for the Master Sword to be in the Lost Woods in ALttP
Because there's not a Temple of Time in ALttP to account for.
>Castle Town become the Lost Woods of ALttP, which is a fine assumption.
No, because that's the assumption I'm trying to argue against.
>Can it also be a different Temple of Time? Sure, I'm going to assume based on it's structure that it's likely not though.
What part of, "show me where the Master Sword is," do you not understand?
>>342160039
By who? The Link before the one that's been hibernating? Yes, maybe it was Gramps and we will fight him at the end like Red in Pokemon Silver/Gold right?
>>342161120
Hallucination of Zelda when
>>342160837
Dumbest fucking theory imaginable.. I swear Zelda theorist are on a whole plain of autism of their own.
Its ruined hyrule castle town period.
>>342161174
If you didn't see it happen, it's just fan fiction.
>>342160837
the plateau also seems much like castle town
(although this would mean the eastern abbey is the remains of OoT's hyrule castle, and the new castle was built elsewhere)
>>342161239
one and the same
>>342161358
>>342160837
Whoops, forgot my pic
>>342156314
Part on the left there is clearly the same shape as the lanayru desert in TP
>>342160837
That's barely any evidence.
Sounds like you're just reaching.
>>342161484
Label places so I know what is where
>>342155336
Venom Link?
>>342161152
Well, all I can say is I really hope they don't use Light Arrows as the turning point in the battle again. They've been all about innovation so far with this game, and returning to roots, having the final battle play out as Link fighting Ganon with the Master Sword with the help of Zelda's light arrows yet again would be incredibly frustrating after so much progress. Especially since this is supposed to be ultra mega death Ganon or something.
>>342161567
It's lined up based on the temple of time
>>342161484
Can I steal that?
>>342161221
>Because there's not a Temple of Time in ALttP to account for.
And who is to say that BotW doesn't take place in between OoT and ALttP to account for the Sword being the Lost Woods and the Temple of Time's degradation?
Who is to say this isn't the preceding events of Ganon's invasion into the Sacred Realm, transforming it into the Dark World. We don't see a Triforce on the back of Link's hand in BotW either.
>What part of, "show me where the Master Sword is," do you not understand?
It's in the woods, likely where it is in ALttP, all we know is it's no longer in the Temple of Time, which isn't that far-fetched of a thing considering the Downfall timeline.
It could easily take place in between OoT and ALttP to account for the Temple of Time, Master Sword, and the Lost Woods. It's simple.
>>342161221
Well Lore """"""""Bro""""""" you tell me where the fucking Master Sword is then
>>342161652
Save it, it's all yours my friend :^)
>>342161484
Just curious, where did you happen across that gif or if you made it, where did you come across the OoT map? That's not a common map and I only know one person with it.
>>342161484
Unfortunately the terrain in that area otherwise doesn't match up. No dadongo mountain and there isn't a giant desert to the north-west.
An overlay of a map of OOT on the Great Plateau sing the Temple of Time as a scale and orientation .
>>342161787neogaf
>>342161484
Hmm... not bad.
But what replaced Hyrule Castle on the far right in BoTW? Is it just ruins now?
Theory 1: You'll have a billion ways to attack enemies, but thetranquilizerwill be far and away the best
Theory 2: /v/ will whine about any criticisms aimed at this game
Theory 3: Game will be easy af
Theory 4: The story will be on par with OoT
>>342157826
Don't connect games by art style please, people are saying BotW is connected to SS because they have similar Chu chus, while MC and WW also have similar Chu chus and are so far apart in the timeline.
>>342161625
Agreed. I'd really like to see the return of Silver Arrows myself, or maybe even the Magical Sword from LoZ/AoL. I could see the King tossing you the Magical Sword if you run straight to Ganon.
Then again I think Aonuma is personally lying. I bet you anything there is a an real final boss if you do everything and you don't actually defeat Ganon if you run straight to him.
I'd actually laugh if when you struck the final blow, he just got up and knocked you out and you woke back up in the Shrine of Resurrection with Zelda telling you that was foolish.
>>342161358
Possible, but I kinda doubt it.
The Temple of Time is usually in the woods, and the game starts near the Temple of Time.
Also, Ganon is usually holed up in either Hyrule Castle, or on Death Mountain. Ganon is swirling around a castle, so it is probably Hyrule Castle, just north of Castle Town.
Outset Plateau is likely analogous to the forest. I would not be surprised if you could drop off of it into the Lost Woods.
There is a large rock canyon in the distance, with a river down the center. Possibly the path to the Zora's domain.
There is a desert.
There is a snow area.
There is a volcano.
If the place is surrounded by ocean, then there is a potential for islands.
Seems like all the terrains will be accounted for.
>>342161225
He's already hearing her voice. So, soon.
>>342162004
Yeah but the Hyrule Castle in Wind Waker was surrounded by a lake.
I personally think it takes place way after ST.
This link isn't dead/robot etc.
Destiny says that a hero of courage will always rise. Even if Ganon killed Link 100 times, there will always be another one to take up the mantle.
Just like ganon always comes back.
>The old man is old Link.
>He accidentally left a pube in the resurrection bed, which grew into a clone.
>He has sent dozens of clones out on the same quest, and none have returned.
>>342162360
>Destiny says that a hero of courage will always rise.
Yeah that totally worked for the downfall and adult timelines, didn't it.
>>342161682
>And who is to say that BotW doesn't
You and
>>342161702
You,
are both still missing my point. Which is that I'm not trying to come up with alternative explanations, or deal in hypotheticals, or anything.
I don't have an agenda in this other than to ask you if you really think that that clip at the end of the BotW trailer is not in the Temple of Time. And if so, then why is it not in the E3 demo, unless Hyrule Historia is lying.
>>342162014
So this is Infinity Blade now?
>>342161886
Link maybe?
How much trust should we actually be putting into geography?
Nintendo is very much a gameplay-first company, I don't doubt they'd throw lore under the bus if it improved the level design just a little bit.
>>342162014
Now that you mention the magical sword, what the hell is the deal with the Magical sword, anyway? I guess as an extension, what's the deal with any of the magical items like the Fire Rod etc.? I mean the 3 Goddesses created everything, right? So surely the magic items are their doing as well. What purpose does the Magic Sword hold when the Master Sword exists? Outside of the obvious "It's a bridge between the starting and final sword for gameplay purposes".
This is why I think timelines are kind of stupid. Some things are better left as just means to satisfy a gameplay experience and shouldn't need some extensive lore.
>>342162426
Whoops took off my name to ppost in another thread.
>>342162426
It's not in the Temple of Time, it's in the Lost Woods, same as it is at the end of the trailer. Historia isn't lying, that's still the Temple of Time, the Master Sword has just been moved as it has been moved in the Downfall Timeline.
>>342155831
>All that water
>That little skull lake
>The island and peninsula
I can't wait.
>>342161991
what's special about OOT?
it was just 3D lttp
>>342162421
um, yeah? literally ALttP
What if the Old Man is actually an elderly Link?
>>342155831
So the giant black dot is this thing right?
>>342160837
>people who still think its skyloft
Have people not seen this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZS544TU_L8
>>342162421
>Downfall
Uh, yeah, that's what happened.
>Adult timeline
Don't blame destiny, OOT Zelda is the one who fucked it up.
>>342162550
>How much trust should we actually be putting into geography?
Like 20%.
There will always be a Castle town, volcano, forest, lake, etc and they will usually be in the same relative locations to each other in previous games games, (like Castle Town being in the center, the desert to the west, the volcano to the northeast) but that's about it.
>>342161832
>>342161832
maybe they're reimagining it, like rockstar did for SA
>>342162679
Guess we'll just find out when you're disproven then.
Where is the name "calamity ganon" coming from?
>>342162550
>How much trust should we actually be putting into geography?
Barely any at all.
>>342162737
was the desert in TP interesting?
>>342162770
Yeah, it happened long after the damage was done. A case of too little, too late.
But by your logic, the heroes should never fail to Ganon. But in the case of the downfall timeline, the Hero of Time most certainly did.
>>342162550
Not much, however, there might be something we can predict with it. The plots of the games don't follow "literal legend", but the shape of the landscape kinda seems to. For example, LTTP and TP exist in different timelines, but Nintendo still wanted to create the same ambiance of the Master Sword resting in the Sacred Grove. You can basically assume that no game gives a 100% accurate view of Hyrule, but together they might vote on what is correct.
REMINDER THE FINAL BOSS WILL BE HOOKSHOTTING & CLIMBING AROUND HYRULE CASTLE FO FIGHT CALAMITY GANON.
>>342162903
Alright then, I'll just screencap these two posts just in case and wait it out.
>>342161832
>No dadongo mountain and there isn't a giant desert to the north-west.
How about this: the plateau is both castle town AND skyloft, and castle town and the surroundings were built on top of a sunken skyloft. The sheikah have gotten skyloft semi-airborne again, and they rotated it slightly to get a nicer view/increase their property value.
>>342162527
here ya gohttp://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=207818456&postcount=2863
>>342162976
It was kinda fun messing around with the pigs to ride on, but there wasn't much there to do. Collect some bugs, defeat some bokoblins, do that 100-level-cave.
>>342163069
Calamity Ganon was confirmed for multiple forms though.
So maybe that'll be used for one of his boss phases.
>>342157806
What is the source of this?
Didn't see it on any stream
>>342163087
Maybe we won't have to. Maybe we can settle this right here and now, because I think I just remembered that the Hyrule Historia claims the grove in ALttP is the Temple of Time from TP.
Can anyone confirm?
>>342163069
Nah. If weapons are disposable, then none of them are important enough to be necessary to win. This will be a battle of Link getting powered up to shoot at a weak spot with whatever the hell he has on hand.
>>342162750
I still cant tell if its an island or a ship.
>>342162870
Maybe, and I'm entirely open to the idea of physical changes in the landscape over time, anyways, assuming this does take place before OOT and not after, in which case it is even MORE likely that he is right. Just doesn't seem like they WOULD do something so extreme to the landscape as to procure an entire mountain and desert.
>>342163254
Hookshot isn't a weapon.
>>342163228
Yes, anywhere you find the sword but WW is the Temple of Time
And even in WW it's possible Castle and Temple fused
>>342163056
Yeah but the entire timeline is a "what if" scenario anyway, it's almost like its own parallel universe type of shit.
And think about it, who says that just because a Link is destined to rise up and face evil, that he can't fail his mission? If Link was guaranteed to win every time in every scenario across all the timelines, why does he even need courage? He embodies courage because failure is still a possibility, and in the world of Zelda even ensuing disaster isn't permanent and the struggle will continue even after Hyrule is long gone.
>>342163195
when will he learn?
>>342163195
It's from Twilight Princess HD.
People have been bringing it up because Aounuma has been heavily hinting that the game is connected somehow.
Also, the tablet itself is just fucking weird, since in TP's universe, Rito should not be depicted.
>>342163069
>ganon is the size of king kong
>you have to fight him in and out of the castle, as he's climbing on top/around it and destroying parts
>you have to climb onto his back sotc style and stab him in the head
>>342161043
I too think this game is essentially what is described in the prologue of Wind Waker, and we aren't the chosen hero in this game.I don't think this game is going to have a happy ending, where good defeats evil.
>>342163278
Skyloft probably is a ship, when the extra dirt falls away. SS was made after TP, and Skyloft was probably inspired by TP's city in the sky. They may in fact be intended as the same location.
>>342163195
It's from TPHD, you can see it in castle town, as you're approaching Hyrule Caste.
>>342163228
Not him, but I recall the Historia only talking about SS, OoT, and TP with the Temple.
>>342163195
TPHD. It's all over Castle Town. The easiest place to see it is in the observation deck. Walk to the balcony, turn around, and look up.
>>342162903
Well, the Temple of Time is in "Lost Woods" in Twilight Princess.
>>342139230
I'm not some timelinefag, but does anyone else think this game might actually acknowledge the timelines and merge them?
It's so bizarre to me that TP Link and Koroks are in the same game.
>>342162737
It always triggered me super hard how you could see this lush greenery just outside the supposedly dry desert in TP. I guess they wanted it to feel more connected to the rest of hyrule, but it never stopped bothering me.
I think it might irk me in BOTW too, since when you're on top of the frozen mountain in the plateau you can see this really hot looking mountain less than a kilometer to the west.
>>342163563
It's likely the case honestly.
>>342139230
set after twilight princess but before 4 swords. Map looks exactly the same at twilight princess. Ganon is not the enemy, the enemy of the game is the sages, who are hell bent on ending the triforce cycle even if it destroys the land. The robot things are programed the kill any hylian bloodline. and drag people to thesacred rellm where sages power is absolute.
Yes i know the kokoro things are there, but they could have just evolves into that given time in any timeline.
How am I supposed to wait for a year? XCX almost killed me with the latecensoringlocalisation
>>342163134
Thanks broski.
>RagnarokX
Lol, this guy is everywhere these days. Translated the runes in BotW, this....
>>342163563
Nope.
There is a strong chance that this is intended to follow OOT on the failed timeline.
The closest you will get to merging timelines, is Hyrule Warriors.
>>342163668
Well Historia does say the Kokiri are nowhere to be found in TP's timeline. We can assume due to how fucked up TP's Hyrule is due to Earthquakes they needed to evolve to fly.
>>342141757
>he skipped the korok sidequest in Wind Waker
Where exactly is it confirmed the ruined temple in the Demo is THE Temple of Time? Or that the Master Sword couldn't have been removed and then lost by a previous incarnation that failed? Or that the Demo is even representative of the final game and that they didn't just include the temple area as a showcase and to fuck with people?
It's way too early to say or think anything, so calm your tits.
this is pretty spooky.
>>342163849
>Temple of Time is underwater
>Suddenly it's above the land as is the Master Sword
>A hero that wasn't Link somehow had to go to the bottom of the ocean and rip the sword out of Ganondorf's head in order to place it in the sea
Doesn't work out anon.
>>342163904
Can you climb Hyrule Castle?
>>342163683
>One of them is already dead
>Miyamoto is ageing and probably will soon
Reggie will have all three pieces of the Tri-Force then.
>>342151141
The third timeline is stupid but the other two are fairly reasonable, make sense, and you see those two endings IN Ocarina of Time.
You see the ending where you defeat Ganon and everyone is celebrating in Lon Lon Ranch, and then you see the ending where Link puts the Master Sword back and goes to meet Zelda as a kid again.
>>342163563
didn't games past OOT put in gorons even though they had no connection to it? anyway, the timeline stuff is sort of boring and joyless. I like the reimagining aspect better.
>>342141216
>>342163965
I think it's thousands of years after Spirit Tracks.
>>342163867
It's on the Map and look on the bottom left of the screen when they enter the area in some of the gameplay, it says Temple of Time
>>342163474
I will check the public link on infendo.com just to make sure. It might take a long time.
>>342163367
>>342163540
So why isn't it in the Lost Woods in BotW?
I think we've corned this sucker.Or should I say, I did.
Justice Always Wins, good always prevails over evil.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3R8tkvlAlk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY9Cs9EsPyw
>>342139230
>Link wakes up in a place called the "Shrine of Resurrection"
Perhaps hes a Link (or a clone of Link) that failed before Ganon was temporarily sealed?
The "voice" often kept stating that Link has to remember something, maybe its trying to get Link to remember that he has a job to finish.
>>342164092
What? Why are those 2 different endings? They celebrated and then he got sent back in time. That should be it.
>>342164017
Defeated Hero timeline confirmed
>>342164442
Don't argue, people apparently can't believe something unless they personally see it despite being told it.
>>342164323
Oh and if anyone else wants to help me bring the just deserts to the Hyrule Historia, help me find that page! While you listen to the Pursuit music.
http://www.infendo.com/ZELDAHH_WM.pdf
>>342163867
>The map says Temple of Time
>Aunoma called it the temple of time
>Temple of Time music plays at that location
>Big, giant dark souls style subtitles show up on screen when you approach it, that say "TEMPLE OF TIME"
>Old man refers to it as the Temple of Time, Camera zooms in on it while he discusses it.
>"BUT OH GEE ITS NOT CONFIRMED ITS TEMPLE OF TIME, HOW DO WE KNOW FOR SURE"
The mysterious old man from the start of the game is Ganondorf from Windwaker.
Screencap this.
>BotW is WW link.
>>342164763
sure thing anon
>>342164016
You just need to ask yourself one thing...
Can you see it?
what if
every single zelda game was a dream
all of them
and this game starts with link waking up to the real world
>>342163965
The water receded.
>rip the sword out of Ganondorf's head
Don't you find it ironic that Link went to sleep and Ganon started wreaking havoc at the exact same time?
>>342164763
He got a master sword to the fucking head. When will people stop with this meme.
>>342139230
>No Gannon
>time travel will be heavily involved, probably something where a dumb wizard did some dumb ritual in the temple of time
>Hyrule isn't even a unified kingdom yet
>Link changes that and Zelda is chosen to rule as Link beats niggas asses in the countryside
>old man dies near the end
>>342164748
ITS A DIFFERENT TEMPLE OF TIME MAN, EVEN THOUGH THATS NEVER BEEN A THING
ITS DIIFFRREEEENT TPAadjad
>>342164748
It's the Temple out of Time you dang idjit
>>342164748
maybe it's a decoy temple of time. like the decoy sword in lttp... and the decoy master sword in the botw demo right near the temple.
>>342164998
Was thinking about this too.
That's why the voice says "remember". From his dreams, everything.
But I don't think this is the case.
>>342152545
We don' t know.
I always thought Hyrule was attacked by the Gerudos (because Ganondorf was arrested and sentenced) and the people had to flee north.
>>342164763
The old man is Ganondorf, but this is the timeline where link failed and both link and ganon are sealed together. The game takes place in the sacred realm that is why kokoro are there as well.
>>342139230
Link is not Link and has no ties to the hero of time nor will the hero of time even be mentioned
My evidence is the lack of the tunic every Link ever has worn
>>342164442
Alright, so bear with me here. Why would Link go back in time? Because Zelda wants him to have his childhood, right?
So he goes back in time to meet young Zelda.
Then, wouldn't he just not do the events that lead to Ganon's rise to power? So, all the stuff he did as an adult would be pointless, right? Everything you did as an adult, didn't need to happen, it would just get overwritten. EXCEPT, it didn't. When Zelda sends you back in time it creates a divergence where Ganondorf didn't touch the Triforce and rule over Hyrule, but the original timeline where you came from still exists, except you're not in in anymore. In THIS timeline, Ganondorf was sealed away, eventually he broke free, except you weren't there to stop him, so the people prayed to the Goddesses, who then flooded Hyrule.
Meanwhile in the new timeline, Link sets off to find Navi and ends up in Termina. But before doing that, he meets with the King and informs him of Ganondorf's scheme, the King believes him because Young Link now bears the Triforce of Courage (which you can plainly see on Link's hand in the ending, that is deliberate and not a normal part of Young Link's model), and sentences Ganondorf to death. Unfortunately, it was destiny for the Triforce to split, so it does anyway just because muh fate, and Ganondorf gets the Triforce of Power, and because of that survives his execution and swiftly gets sealed in the Twilight Realm, leading into Twilight Princess. We've known this shit since Wind Waker was released and re-affirmed when Twilight Princess was released in interviews, and the Historia goes more in depth about why Ganondorf gets the Triforce in the Twilight Princess timeline, etc.
>>342164763
This one's in the twilight princess timeline
>>342165214
I know this is a crazy theory thread, but dude come on.
>>342165545
Not all Links start with a Tunic. We've only been shown the very start of the game.
>>342165736
>even giving this much of a shit about the lore
it's not like these games have deep storylines or anything. link doesn't even have a personality.
>>342163867
>>342165214
OBJECTION!
I can't disclose my source, but I have it on good authority that the E3 demo is in fact, indicative of the final version of Breath of the Wild.
Now all I have to do is find the missing piece of evid-
>decoy.''
OBJECTION! As this witness' statement proves, that cannot be the case.slams on table
The Temple of Time in BotW is a REAL Temple of Time.
>>342160051
Do you see the light closing in around you yet?
So this game takes place in the WW timeline or the ALTTP timeline?
Why do people take geography seriously in Zelda when how often it changes should give you a clue that how you see it presented is merely a representation of Hyrule and not the actual Hyrule? I mean, in Twilight Princess characters act like Ordon is days away from Kakariko. That should tell you that Hyrule is just presented in a way for the player, and not to be taken literally.
A theory.
A link from the SS technology era, was stored in hypersleep, to awaken in a world after OOT's bad end.
I think calamity ganon is gonna be guaranteed to have a giant form. Its a cool revisit to oot since originally the final boss was to be huge at some point.
>>342165574
The fact that the Triforce can split itself for the sake of destiny makes me wonder what else it can do just for the sake of destiny.
Maybe even... lead three separate versions of Hyrule into similar states of decay to converge them into a single timeline?
>>342139230
The game will be on CT because of pic related and Aonuma's comments.
>Timelines will cease to matter, as they introduce a major plot element regarding this; they will have Koroks and Twili and Rito in any and every timeline and game they want to have them in.
>Sheikah will be this element
You assholes made me waste my time to make this
>>342166358
100 years is too short a time for that to be true.
>>342166646
Citation?
>>342165926
> I have it on good authority that the E3 demo is in fact, indicative of the final version of Breath of the Wild.
are you telling me pop-ins and framerate issues are here to stay?
>>342164442
It's 2016 and people still don't understand the original split? Come on dude how'd you miss this?
>>342166834
>are you telling me pop-ins and framerate issues are here to stay?
Not if you buy the NX version :^)
Why do I get the feeling that Calamity Ganon is a huge red herring and Ganon isn't actually in this game at all?
>>342166808
http://www.zeldainformer.com/news/aonuma-zelda-u-will-make-people-want-to-replay-twilight-princess-hd-titles
>While making the latest title for The Legend of Zelda, when I look at this remake, I feel like this is the origin point of the new title we’re making right now. After playing this game you may have some “Oh I see!” moments when playing the [upcoming] new game, so I’ll be glad if you play Twilight Princess HD while waiting in anticipation for the latest title of Legend of Zelda.
>>342166721
you're retarded
>>342167073
He's talking about Twilight Princess being the biggest version of a nonflooded Hyrule in Zelda. He means gameplay wise, not plot wise.
>>342167197
oh shit makes sense.
damn, everyone just assumed he meant plotwise, but it makes much more sense that he's talking about it in a practical manner.
>>342152956
that is all fucking retarded
>>342167047
He was barely in TP, as if he was an afterthought. The game didn't really need him at all.
>>342167154
" Q: Where does The Wind Waker fit into the overall Zelda series timeline?
Aonuma: You can think of this game as taking place over a hundred years after Ocarina of Time. You can tell this from the opening story, and there are references to things from Ocarina located throughout the game as well.
Miyamoto: Well, wait, which point does the hundred years start from?
Aonuma: From the end.
Miyamoto: No, I mean, as a child or as a...
Aonuma: Oh, right, let me elaborate on that. Ocarina of Time basically has two endings of sorts; one has Link as a child and the other has him as an adult. This game, The Wind Waker, takes place a hundred years after the adult Link defeats Ganon at the end of Ocarina.
Miyamoto: This is pretty confusing for us, too. (laughs) So be careful."
" –When does Twilight Princess take place?
Aonuma: In the world of Ocarina of Time, a hundred and something years later.
–And the Wind Waker?
Aonuma: The Wind Waker is parallel. In Ocarina of Time, Link flew seven years in time, he beat Ganon and went back to being a kid, remember? Twilight Princess takes place in the world of Ocarina of Time, a hundred and something years after the peace returned to kid Link’s time. In the last scene of Ocarina of Time, kids Link and Zelda have a little talk, and as a consequence of that talk, their relationship with Ganon takes a whole new direction. In the middle of this game [Twilight Princess], there's a scene showing Ganon's execution. It was decided that Ganon be executed because he'd do something outrageous if they left him be. That scene takes place several years after Ocarina of Time. Ganon was sent to another world and now he wants to obtain the power..."
>>342163668
>Implying Saria goes evil
>>342152956
>Ganondorf is the old man & Ganon is the calamity/smokey thing
stopped right there, anything else said can only be equally as stupid.
>>342167431
There are different sages in every game you numb nut.
>>342152956
>Deku Tree strong enough to go against the Triforce's wish
kek
>>342167431
Saria didn't become a sage in the child timeline.
>>342167672
The Triforce is a cheeky cunt. in ALTTP Ganon got stuck in the sacred realm and asked the Triforce if he could rule the world, so the Triforce made him the ruler of only the sacred realm.
>>342167712
True. My mistake.
>>342155683
How can he be defeated if he kills everybody and ensures no more people can be born to stop him.
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Ah, drag.
My crusade against the Hyrule Historia comes to an anticlimactic end.
There's no written confession. It claims the Master Sword was stored in "a temple." But it doesn't call it the Temple of Time.
Sure I could cite this as proof of the obvious, but it'll just get turned on me in a court of /v/.
The book will get by with a Not Guilty verdict.
DAMN! I WAS SO CLOSE.
>>342168789
Tripfag BTFO by the Japanese
Link gets the Sephiroth treatment in this game. He figures out that he is nothing but an empty vessel that is made to do the goddesses' bidding.
>>342168992
>Tripfag
![Princess_Zelda_Artwork_2_%2528Skyward_Sword%2529[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/WL9JzZZ.jpg "Princess Zelda Artwork 2 %2528Skyward Sword%2529[1]")
>>342169108
And he's fine with it because Hylia is a qt
>>342166358
>Always found it weird that the ancient robots in SS referred to Link as an LD-00 model, like he's some kind of robot himself
>brushed it off, always assumed that it was just the robots' ways of categorized non-affiliated people and items
>then BotW happens with its fishy AF opening and all of these plot theories and hints
>>342168789
>HE WAS WRONG THE WHOLE FUCKING TIME
>ALL THIS AUTISM WAS FOR NOTHING
Why is the Master Sword so fucked up, in TP it was abandoned for a long time and still looked great, has the sword even been that damaged before?
>>342169858
>has the sword even been that damaged before?
Never.
It was dormant in The Wind Waker until your unlocked it's power but it wasn't busted
>>342169665
I don't believe that the new Link is robot, but it probably would be true to think that the creators come up with ideas for future games while working on the previous.
>>342169858
Has it ever been water damaged before?
Nothing fucks up your equipment like water damage. RIP my 3DS.
>>342169665
Link is an artificially created spirit formed by Hylia for the sole purpose of taking down Demise.
>>342169858
Master Sword doesnt exist in some games, particularly near the end of the Hero's Defeat/Downfall timeline and the Adult Timeline (but thats because its still stuck in Ganon's head)
It has never been busted, and Link left it nice and shiny in A Link Between Worlds, so something happened somewhere, or someone created a new Master Sword at some point and replaced this busted one, or its all a ruse.
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>>342169841
The only thing that I was wrong about was thinking that I could convict it by finding a smoking gun in the Hyrule Historia for its falliciousness.
But since the stupid book is written in a pretend first-person perspective, it didn't pan out because "MUH IMAGINARY AUDIENCE THAT I'M BULLSHITTING WOULDN'T KNOW WHAT THE TEMPLE OF TIME WAS!"
>>342169858
Pretty sure all the "damage" you see on it in BotW is superficial shit that grew on it over time and will be washed off once you get it.
>>342169858
As long as the magic batteries are strong, Fi keeps it looking good. The sword in TP was almost fresh out of OOT, with an almost full cast of sages doing whatever the hell they do to keep it charged.
>old man says the Shiekah saved Hyrule time and time again
>this entire time the Shiekah have been helping Link from the shadows in every timeline
>yfw Impa and all her incarnations are Skull Face
>>342170423
There's literal chips missing from the sword, those cant be washed off.
It looks BEAT.
>>342163170
>MULTIPLE FORMS
You fucking what? Is thia going to be the next OoT? Like how they wanted volvagina to be multithreaded among other bosses?
>>342170436
If Wind Waker is any indication it probably involves making sweet music.
>>342169858
zelda or the sages could fuck it up. It is evils bane, even the triforce of power could not hurt it. but the ages and zelda can affect it.
kinda supports this>>342163668
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>>342170496
Who helped Link along his journey in Skyward Sword? Impa.
Who taught Link Zelda's lullaby and lead him in the right direction in Ocarina of Time? Impa.
Who helped him in BOTH Oracle games? Impa.
Who informed him of Zelda being captured in Zelda 1? Impa.
Who told him the tale of the sleeping Zelda in Zelda 2? Impa.
Who lead him to the city in the sky in Twilight Princess? Impaz.
>>342170636
that has not been confirmed. But I can expect it to happen.
I also expect some boss, not just the Great Steepe rock monster miniboss, where Link is able to climb on it and attack it like that, in a SOTC type way.
>>342170496
The Sheikah
>created the gossip stones
>created the lens of truth
>created the mask of truth
>created the gate of time
>created the timeshift stones
>created the ocarina of time
>created the fused shadow
>created majora's mask
>created the tower of the gods
>probably created the skyward sword and fi
>probably even created BotW's Link
>>342166025
I know one theory is that it takes place before ALTTP.
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>>342170936
Interest but kinda derailed by how impa became a sage.
>>342170729
>Fi is listening to the music, and dancing on the inside.
>The power of the Master Sword is directly linked to Fi's happiness.
>>342170936
They've always been there. Watching. Of course the secret agents of Hylia, who represents Wisdom would hide in the shadows, wait, and plan everything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhSHXGM7kgE
>>342171227
Hail Hylia
>>342170138
So basically like Fi and Ghirahim, but with a different function and he doesn't transform into a powerful magi-tech blade.
It is also worth nothing that, unlike Fi - Ghirahim seemingly developed a personality and emotions over time; even created a flesh/human form to hide his true self.
>>342171227
Of course. They were always keeping an eye on you.
I personally think the Sheikah are going to play a much larger role than we think, probably some massive world building stuff.
"Open your eyes"
"Open your eyes"
Perhaps this is meant to allude to the fact that
Link is one of the Sheikah and needs to awaken his abilities pr something, or at least gain some sort of Sheikah power? The eye symbol of the Sheikah, the "open your EYEs" message... it all seems linked in some way.
Not much of a theory but there's not much to make out, but I do think this will in some elaborate way, be the case.
>>342171227
>>342171686
guys stop its clearly illuminati.
>>342170936
The timeshift stones had their symbols. They had some connection to the mining operation.
>>342171813
She was actually trying to say
>OPEN YOUR EYES SHEEPLE
She want link to realize the fast sheikah conspiracy
>>342161152
In folklore, silver is strong against demons. That's the reasoning behind the Silver Arrows.
>>342142925
This, hopefully Link breaks the cycle of reincarnation this game and destroys the triforce.
>>342171380
I have to say, for all the shit SS gets, Ghirahim was a great villain, had great fights and I absolutely LOVE his black form.
>>342172146
Anon a kingdom already tried that and it nearly caused the entire world to be destroyed.
I would so like to see the internet's reaction if they went the KotOR round.
You were Ganon all along, just forgot about it due to cryopod fault or something *dramatic sting*. NIntendo won't do that OF COURSE. But imagine how insane that would be.
>>342172146
But ALBW reveals what happens if someone destroys the Triforce...
Not that I think the Triforce is a good thing, by any means. I personally think it was designed to keep mortals in their place, to never evolve to the same status as the demi-gods or gods themselves.
>>342170936
sheikah are clearly illuminati and therefore villains
>>342172405
>it was designed to keep mortals in their place, to never evolve to the same status as the demi-gods or gods themselves.
>>342172387
I would consider dropping the franchise if they did something as autistic as that.
Hey /v/, I want to play Majora's Mask. what would you say it's the go-to emulator?
>>342155010
fuuuuck
>>342170615
>You have to reassemble the pieces of the MS, just like reassembling the triforce in LoZ
POETRY
>>342172387
Why do people act as if Nintendo has never done crazy shit before with Zelda and its storylines?
Are all of you forgetting about MM, WW and LA? Did all of you forget just how fucking crazy these games were for their time, and for the Zelda franchise at large back in the day? Or are most of you just underage and take their plots and themes for granted?
>>342172737
that guy is an actual retard, so probably the latter.
>>342168751
Aliens
>>342172662
I would just like to see the shitstorm. That's all. I don't think it would ever happen. But that shitstorm would make ME3 Ending look like nothing in comparison.
In relative honesty, is there a way to "break the cycle" so to speak? To stop all the regeneration and return of things? If breaking the Triforce won't do it, is there a way? And if so, would Nintendo ever let that be the story? Wouldn't it stop the ability to milk the franchise for ever? Or courld the timelines BEFORE that moment just get more and more and more convaluted?
>>342172737
How is Windwaker anywhere close as crazy as that would be though? I loved Windwaker, on GC and on WiiU, but that you are Ganon with Amnesia would blow that craziness out of the water. No pun intended.
>>342172125
It's also that silver is white and so associated with cold. Demons don't like cold because in Buddhism, hell is a cold place.
Ganon is based on the Hakkai, an antihero or demon from a Chinese tale with Buddhist allegories.
>>342172737
WW
>It's literally the story of every Zelda game, but with more water
LA
>It was a dream all along, LOL
>No AoL
Pretty underage yourself, ehhhhhhh?
I am really leaning towards this game being a remake of LoZ. It just has all the elements required.
It could come after TP, if they hand wave Ganondorfs death away as temporary.
It could easily be the failed timeline, except that if they want to take another stab at the Imprisoning War, then that need a plot that involves Hyrules sages working to seal Gabon. From all indications, Link won't be doing that, and will probably act alone.
For it to be after SS, they would have to redefine Ganon as a demon that exists before Ganondorf was born.
For the game to occur after WW, the entire staff of Nintendo would have to get high as fuck.
>>342173261
It wouldn't be AS crazy of course, I'm just saying that WW was crazy for its time. Crazy plots are nothing new to Zelda, it's not out of the realm of possibility like so many people seem to think.
>>342173025
Well I was thinking, what about Spirit Tracks? That game takes place in a new land which they've called Hyrul, but it seems to go by a different set of rules. It's another land just like Termina but it's in the same dimension as Hyrule.
The lore of New Hyrule seems to disregard what happened in old Hyrule.
>No Ganon
>No sages, though there are Lokomos
>No Master Sword
>Not even the Triforce seems relevant
>A whole new set of rules revolving around a central tower, train tracks, a demon king (Malludud), etc.
I've always thought, why not set a new Zelda game here? It'd be an excuse to totally go against the grain in terms of plot, though for all we know BOTW might do that anyway.
Think about it though. New Hyrule has LOADS of potential. They've played the train gimmick card, but I can see them using trains again in a really cool new way, or just having them forgotten about/destroyed somehow. Maybe centuries later, New Hyrule has changed and trains are irrelevant, the landscape cwill have changed, etc.
Lots of possibilities.
>>342173438
AoL doesn't really get crazy until the very end, aside from that it was rather generic.
>>342173627
*Malludus
>>342173445
>It could come after TP, if they hand wave Ganondorfs death away as temporary.
No it couldn't. See: Temple of Time.
BotW is definitely not part of the Child Timeline
>>342173261
Wind Waker destroyed the existing timeline, in favor of a new matrix. It proves that timelines and old 2d lore didn't mean anything to the developers at the time.
>>342173627
Zeldas following New Hyrule could get very damn interesting.
>>342173445
Except they already confirmed that this game is not meant to be taken as a remake or re-anything in any way. But to capture the feeling of freedom of the original is all they intend.
>>342173812
Ultimately, a building is probably less telling than Ganon. The temple has never been reliable.
>>342173828
what are you talking about, its the game that made the timeline important to them. Its now a factor in how they craft their settings.
>>342173879
Oh my fuck
>>342173879
Hell yes. Either this or going full steampunk would be great for a post spirit tracks game.
>>342174085
Yeah but the devs have to resist falling back on old Zelda lore, because at that point Hyrule is destroyed.
>>342139230
I think they are going to have Link transition in this game in order to appeal to SJW's. I mean he already looks like he's just aching to be BLACKED by Gannondorf's BBC and we've only seen the games intro.
Throughout the game you will collect magical items that will further feminize you. ie: a magical chastity cage that will atrophy your tiny boi penis and make it more girly and stuff like that.
Then at the end of the game Gannon takes turns cucking you with Zelda and then creampie-ing in your boipussy.
>>342174283
>Throughout the game you will collect magical items that will further feminize you. ie: a magical chastity cage that will atrophy your tiny boi penis and make it more girly and stuff like that.
This gave me a boner
>>342173627
What if you need to rebuild the central tower again but this time use it as a weapon?
A huge sword that can only be handled with some sort of New Hyrule lokomo (New Hyrule sages)-made technology. Instead of freeing the sages for something like, attaining a piece of the triforce, you need the lokomos for something technology based? It could be a really nice parallel to the regular sage quest. Rebuilding the central tower could be done AMAZINGLY in Spirit Tracks, I believe i was actually called the Tower of Spirits. ST already handled that gimmick well but a new, fully realized 3D Zelda like BOTW doing the same thing? my boi
>>342173992
Anyone old enough to remember playing LTTP before OOT existed, knows that OOT was made specifically to tell the Imprisoning War story from LTTP. WW broke that connection, by occupying the same place in story progression as LTTP did. Nintendo essentially ignored the existence of LTTP, and replaced it with WW. The third line was invented purely to cover the obvious mistakes.
>>342174529
*Rebuilding the central tower could be done AMAZINGLY in the new Zelda
>>342174283
Enough is enough, I'm sick of you faggots posting irrelevant shit about nigger dicks and girly men's anuses. Please end yourself for the good of mankind.
>>342174650
As cool as some stuff might be, this game just doesn't seem to require big plot maggufins like past games. They've said that Link could hypothetically storm the Boss from the start, which kinda implies that nothing else done in the game is totally necessary to the plot. The game essentially has no more real plot than the first game. They will surely pepper the game with some kind of narrative, but it won't really matter.
So apparently someone tried to steal the demo and had all their equipment ready, but were too late and arrived when the kiosk closed.
>>342147980
this
>>342145428
That's a bullshit theory that someone on /v/ made up
>>342150116
There seemed to have been a war sense weapons are casually scattered throughout the land. and temple of time existing I'm thinking either TP or fallen hero timelines.
>>342147980
Well he is ambidextrous, his preference just varies.
>>342147980
In Zelda 1 he uses both his left and right hand, depending on which direction he is facing.
>>342176112
its from a real interview, but translation might be mixed up.
They've always thought of Sheikah as tech-savvy since the beginning, thats for sure.
>>342176281
Tech savy? You mean like Majestic 12?
Odd how the Twili really weren't represented in SS, or really any other game but TP. Kinda adds weight to the idea that they are an offshoot of the Sheikah.
>>342176845
>Odd how the Twili really weren't represented in SS
Interloper war happens before Ocarina, but after SS. The Twili are hinted at being a rogue faction of Sheikah, given their symbology.
Bout to archive soon, someone make a new thread
>>342177420
It could have happened at any point before OOT. A placement far far before SS could be supported by both the level of their technology, and by how hard it is to find their remnants in Hyrule.
>>342178079
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