I can't fucking stand A Link to the Past. I've never even been able to finish it, even back when I was a kid. I don't see how anyone ranks it among the top of Zelda games when literally every 2D Zelda that exists is more engaging. It doesn't even have good music, and it's such a boring slog to play through.Minish Capis the true best 2D Zelda.
>>342120720
>I don't see how anyone ranks it among the top of Zelda games
WOW, it's almost like people have different tastes.
Eat shit and kys, OP.
>>342120720
>I've never even been able to finish it
THEN YOUR OPINION MEANS NOTHING TO ME.
>>342120940
That's why I said "I don't see how", it's their opinion, but I don't understand how they can hold it
>>342120720
>it doesn't even have good music
literally the intro is well into Zelda standards
>>342121087
By having better taste.
>>342120720
>doesn't even have good music.
That one hurts the most.
>>342121087
Because they don't have shit taste.
>>342120720
I got scammed out of a pokemon once
>>342121396
elaborate?
I can't figure out how to play stealth games and it bums me out.
On the rare occasion that I successfully perform stealth, it feels great and satisfying, but most of the time, I end up getting caught, murder everyone, and then run away.
I just dunno how togit gudat stealth.
Pic related, it's what I look when I play.
>>342120720
I don't hate it but its low on my list of Zeldas that I'd want to play again.
>>342121560
nothing really interesting, I was new to it and wanted a shiny genesect, so some french dude offered to trade me it for some random lvl 6 shiny mew and and a meloetta I'd both gotten through random trades, then proceeded to take them and run without giving me the genesect. I suppose it's my fault for being a retard
>>342120972
I never been able to finish it too, but because my file erased 3 times and in one of those files I had 7 dungeons done. I might retry again.
>>342121843
either go as slow as possible or as fast as possible.
you can at least play a game like Metro 2033 where stealth is is easy and it's all about knowing the golden path to take.
>>342120720
I wasn't really into the first dungeons of LTTP either and only decided to finish it 17 years later just to see what the big deal is. I really regret not finishing it sooner because it is actually a really amazing game.
>>342121396
When I was little I got a Gohan card for the DBZ TCG and my brother convinced me his Nappa was better and he would trade me. He took advantage of me
>>342122230
>TCG
I know that feel m8.
>tfw pokemon cards
>friend trades me shit card because it has more HP so he says it's better
>gullible young me believes him since he's older
>>342120720
I often start a game and nearly beat it but never quite do. I got the last level in Uncharted 3, almost beat gta4, never quit finished bloodborne, havent beaten A single farcry game even though ive played them all and many more games. A game has to really hold my attention for me to commit enough to time to beat it.
>>342121152
>>342121270
But if they didn't have shit taste then why do they like the worst Zelda? :^)
I think both Zelda games on 64 are really mediocre. Sure, the world and characters are nice, but the games are just so dry and lifeless. The combat is terrible, there's huge open spaces filled with ABSOLUTELY NOTHING like Hyrule and Termina Field. Majora has 4 dungeons and a ton of shitty fetch quests. I don't know why people can even prefer Ocarina or Majora to the original one on NES, ALTTP or Link's Awakening.
>>342120720
Despite all it's flaws, the Gamecube controller is my favorite pad. Not even a melee fag
HDR is the best SF2
Ribbit King is the best golf game
>>342120720
It's definitely overrated. Almost everything LttP does, OoT does better. Link's Awakening is still the best though.
>>342120720
Pokemon and Chrono Trigger are the only 2D games I have completed.
I just can't feel the emotion that 2D games they try to emit.
>>342123272
Well a lot of 2D games don't have a story so that might be it. Or are you talking about the feel that the creators had made the game with?
>>342120720
I bought a PS4 to get back into gaming but I seldom play it. I prefer going on 4chan and posting in threads over playing games by myself alone
I used to play all the time in high school with my friends we'd go online and spend the whole night gaming but after high school they sold their consoles and pretty much stopped. I kept mine but I cant play by myself without getting bored. I still think about those nights and miss them
The Ps4 is literally right next to me and I tell myself ill play it so it doesnt feel like a waste but I often dont. I wanted to get a gaming PC but I probably wont play that either. I can really only play games with a great single player story now, I haven't bothered with online gaming in almost a year.
when I played red dead redemption, Ii never finished the story. I stopped playing after John Marston got his ranch and family back because I know how it ends and I wanted to end the game on a happy note
>>342120720
>it doesn't even have good music
fucker I will cut you
I've never been able to wrap my head around the Link's Awakening meme. I mean it's a good game sure, but so is Minish Cap. They're just "good".
TIER TIME:
>OoT
>LoZ
>LttP
>MM
>WW
>OoS
>MC
>LA
>OoA
>TP
>SS
I respect Zelda 2 but its the only one I could never beat. Lack the skill and interest.
>>342123496
I know that feel man, I think the last thing I ever played with a friend was Yoshi's Woolly World. Fun as hell, throwing each other into pits, I wish that those times could come back.
>>342120720
>it didn't even have good music.
All I can seem to remember are the generic zelda songs....and they were fine to me.
>>342123674
>that tier list
wew lad
>>342120720
>he doesnt like the classic story
>he doesnt like the freedom of exploration once you get the hammer
>he doesnt like the massive arsenal of weapons and items
>he doesnt like dungeons that are actual labyrinths some with red herrings
>he doesnt like the most important part of any zelda, SEQUENCE BREAKING
>>342123795
You're free to revel for as long as you like. It's literally perfect.
I hate paying for an indie game just moments later find out that the game is also for mobile phones for fraction of the price for PC. Fuck, hate that shit. Refund.
Also, I hate Metroidvania games. It's SO fucking boring. Too much backtracking to unlock rooms and finding more items. I've spent an hour or so just to try to figure out how to progress further. It's just not fun at all.
I can hum any theme from this game from memory.
>>342120720
The sad thing is you're probably not trolling and genuinely believe ALBW or Minish Cap are better than ALTTP despite being a step down from ALTTP in pretty much every way that isn't the ost (ALBW) or special moves (Minish)
>>342120720
I also find ALTTP really, really boring.
I think the people who love it tend to be those that played it when it came out. I would imagine, anyway.
For me personally, the world feels empty and lifeless. Dungeons all feel the same. It's like nothing matters and it's like there's almost no story.
Still a great game, as good as any other Zelda, but it's not for me.
>>342120720
It's not my favorite either. I wasn't a fan of the dark world, the gameplay wasn't as tight or fast as the gameboy games. But "how can somebody like it" is a stupid question - It came out before all the better ones, so that's hardly fair. Compared to Z1 and Z2 I like it better, and it was also the first one on the SNES - People playing that after fucking Adventures of Link were going to get their balls blown off regardless.
I do like the music though, so you're on your own there.
I cant get into magic/alternate reality games at all. Bioshock, gods of war, zelda, any of them. I think theyre good games and in a way it takes more creativity to make create them but at the same time they feel cheesy and I just get get into them. I need a game that is based to some degree in reality
the last of us was probably my favorite game Ive played in years and I was really hoping for a sequel at E3
I was really disappointed in E3 this year, there were some good games but generally it fell flat. I think the gaming in industry has gone to shit in the past few years. Too many companies are focused on competing with one another and making deadline dates rather then putting heart into games
I wanted to game into game design (Lol like every other 20 something) but I just wanted to focus on artwork and story design. The school I went to only offered coding and I dont have the patience for that. So ive got literal books filled with art and desgins thats gathering dust
I think calling LttP trash is overstating it but I do think it's overrated as fuck. It's alright but nowhere near the best Zelda.granted my favorite zelda is wind waker so I'm sure my opinion is meaningless to most people.
>>342120720
I liked link to the past until I got to the dark world and didnt know where the fuck to go
>>342120720
I like Metroid more than Super Metroid.
>>342122230
this sounds like me with my brother and literally any even remotely half decent yugioh card I got as a kid.
>>342124473
Wind Waker splits me so hard over it. I love its combat, overall aesthetic, and dungeons. I hate that it's so clearly lacking content including at least one cut dungeon, and I loathe the great sea. Last mainline Zelda with a great soundtrack though. I hear ALBW has a good one.
>>342124528
>until I got to the dark world and didnt know where the fuck to go
This right here is why I love this game so much. The dark world is designed so amazingly well with its various shortcuts and hidden paths.
A big problem with albw for me was the separated dark world.
>>342124473
Windwaker could've been better 2bh
Dodging made combat easy as piss
The game forced you into doing dungeons in a certain order but it didn't feel as bad as other linear zeldas because you had a lot of freedom to fuck off and do other shit on the various islands.
There was a HUGE amount of hold handing.
Not my favorite but I'd put it in the upper half.
>>342122230
>>342122557
I'm an older brother and I still feel guilty for doing something like that when I was a kid. I don't know if that means anything to you.
>>342122858
Why are you such a turbo-teen?
>>342124528
My nigga there are big giant crystals telling you where to go on the map.
I can't enjoy any of the witcher games.. I don't know what it is. I've bought all of them because I really want to like it but I just can't. Maybe it has something to do with my hate of crafting.
I hate space games
>>342125035
I played it as a kid and dont remember all I remember is that I got stuck and then dropped it
>>342124528
when you get to the dark world it highlights all 8 of the next dungeons on your map and tells you the exact order to do them in with numbers
how do you fuck that up?
>>342124362
How old are you? I'm seruously interested. I know a 17 year old who doesn't like fantasy or sci Fi but plays video games like crazy. It's fucking bizarre to me.
I make the same shitty comments in theses threads over and over because I like to vent about my petty frustrations and have people to bitch with about them
even though my life isnt all that bad
>>342125371
21
some are ok. Ill admit I liked bioshock, and the god of war/witcher games are kind of cool but they dont give me that interested spark like other games
I have never been able to get into Zelda. to each their own I suppose
>>342120720
I think arin hanson is really funny, and agree 75% with his OOT sequilities.
>>342122925
You actually have good taste. Seriously fuck OoT fanboys.
>>342124362
I feel you about E3, My brother actually went and I was sad I couldnt go until I heard about it. Saved me some airplane ticket money and a lame vacation
>>342124528
If you check your map, all the crystals have numbers on them, and it's recommended you beat them in chronological order.
>>342120720
Zelda is one of my favorites series but sometimes I will drop a Zelda game more than halfway through for some reason. This happened in Link's Awakening and Oracle of Ages, I just got tired for some reason.
>>342120720
Took me many playthroughs to enjoy Mario 64 and I still think that the star collecting thing is dumb as shit.
I'm terrible at 2D Mario games
The Gameboy was overrated; The NeoGeo and Gamegear were the better handhelds, but lost solely due to marketing and price which is unfortunate
Story in games is a fucking joke. The best games have no story. If I want a good story, I'll read a book.
Every WRPG sucks and just rips off D&D
If I spend more than 2 hours trying to get past a part, I'll just cheat. I'm in my mid 20s and don't have patience anymore.
I like Fusion better than Super
I agree with you OP. I have beaten ALTTP, but it took me forever because I kept having to force myself to turn it back on and play it after months-long breaks, it was so boring. I just never felt any motivation to continue.
Really, I just find I vastly prefer the 3D Zeldas to the 2D Zeldas. I did enjoy Minish Cap and the Oracle games, but as said LTTP was a chore for me, and I can't stand the original game. I get how others can like them, but it's just not for me.
I can't stand any fallout game otherr than Tactics.
>>342126009
>but lost solely due to marketing and price
and battery life, and library, and design
>>342124925
Oh I know what it means, I gave some kid a fake card in exchange for an Omastar years after. No regrets though, that guy ended up being a total shitter who almost blinded my little sister then tried to blame her when his mom asked what happened.
>>342124225
Most of the story is told through npc dialogue that can be missed, but there is a good fleshed out story.
>>342125389same here
this is good picture
>>342125371
Not that person, but I'm 30 and really don't like most sci-fi. I like fantasy and magic stuff, but if something is set in space that's automatically a turn-off for me. I can tolerate some sci-fi/spacey games but only if they're heavy on comedy and cheesiness, rather than technobabble and serious/grittiness. Then again I also hate dark/realistic stuff in general and prefer my shit bright, colorful, and fantastic.
I liked Skyward Sword, I found it had good direction, good controls, fun gimics, the best princess Zelda, a cool final boss, and I liked girahim as a re-occuring boss
It was just compact, and I feel that's what bothered people so much
>>342126380
Not him either but I seem to be opposite you. I hate a lot of magic only and medieval settings but love technologically advanced settings (not necessarily space). Although I have to agree on the dark/realistic stuff, I love bright colorful stuff like Kirby PR.
I can't bring myself to finish Majoras Mask. I love the game in principle, the strange atmosphere and game mechanics, plus it has tons of memorable characters and events. But I just don't care enough to carry on. Every clock reset feels like a massive step backwards; I'd rather play a linear game where the progression is more obvious.
>>342120720
I could never understand the appeal of Zelda in general. The plot is always barebones and rehashed, the combat terrible and the puzzles easy garbage for toddlers.
Like, you put ALTTP against Secret of Mana and there's no comparison possible between them. I never understood why ALTTP is the most popular between the two.
>>342120720
I have never beaten Final Fantasy 7. What do I win.
>>342120720
>I've never even been able to finish it
stopped reading there. summer is sure here
>>342125389
welcome to the club, fucko
>>342120720
The shitty taste is unbearable
>>342126062
Fusion is a fucking GREAT game despite its flaws. Good difficulty, great bosses, neat enemy gimmicks, new and modified upgrades to put a new spin on things, pretty solid exploration once you get far enough, actually interesting story elements. It's easily one of the best Metroid games.
>>342126491
The combat in SS is fine really, a bit tedious but compared to other 3D Zelda's it's probably the best combat system they've done.
>>342127158
Nothing, I've never played it.
>>342126062
I don't like Metroid very much but I love Metroidvanias.
>>342126009
>The NeoGeo and Gamegear were the better handhelds
In terms of technical prowess they were more flexible. Game library was comparatively very limited, though.
>>342120720
I think all 2D games are garbage. This includes games which are regarded as classics like Castlevania.
I just fucking hate 2D. I also intensely dislike isometric views like in Baldur's Gate, but not nearly to the degree that I hate 2D.
>>342126130
3D Zelda's are mostly boring though, they get atmosphere down right but they're just downright easier, simpler games overall.I only ever beat AlttP with a guide on the GBA, unsure how it holds up without one. Link's Awakening is for sure amazing though.
Also a lot of NES and older games are genuinly shit. All the esoteric shit in Zelda 1 and 2 make those games almost unplayable now, same with Metroid 1 and 2. There's a reason the Mario series was so popular on the NES, it was straightforward and it hit a pretty perfect difficulty without being too punishing or needlessly confusing.
>>342129181
Neck yourself you dirty homo.
>>342129181
>I think all 2D games are garbage.
I never had the SNES but I had the game boy, GBC, and N64. The thing that bothered me the most and prevented me from playing ALTTP more than 30 minutes were link's pink hair.
>>342129270
ALTTP isn't all that hard without a guide. It's fairly straightforward.
>>342129270
The only esoteric thing about Zelda 1 is that bush you have to burn. You're exaggerating. And I played the game last year, it still holds up pretty well as one of the best Zelda games ever.
>>342120720
>Minish Cap
My nigga
Graphics are ugly for a SNES game
>>342130139
To be fair I never played 1. Point still stands for a lot of older games. and from what I've seen of 2 it's pretty bad in that regard.
>>342129181
Why do you not like 2d games? I could understand specifically hating side scrollers or something, cause they feel pretty limiting compared to other perspectives to me, but even a 2d Zelda type thing you hate?
>>342130335
Go do so, seriously, it's a great game.
I personally enjoyed 2 all the way up to the very last dungeon (and the road to it), that's where shit got esoteric and too bullshit for me. But the rest of the game is pretty good. Also, the final boss is too easy.
>>342129181
Confirmed underage
>>342130526
Top down 2D like zelda is tolerable but distasteful. What I truly can't stand is sidescrollers.
>>342131868
I'm 28 actually.First game I ever played was SM64 though.
>>342132728
End yourself literal child
>>342132883
:^)
>>342132728
You're fucking retarded. Kill yourself.
>>342122925
>both Zelda games on 64 are really mediocre
>the games are just so dry and lifeless
>The combat is terrible
Please just stop quoting to anything that Arin says in his shit reviews, the combat was great for its time and it placed the idea for future third person combat in many 3D games.
>huge open spaces filled with ABSOLUTELY NOTHING like Hyrule and Termina Field.
Hyrule field, sure whatever, but Termina field is crowded with holes and treasure chests everywhere, dedicated monsters for each area and a couple fun puzzles, so keep your shit opinion to yourself.
>I don't know why people can even prefer Ocarina or Majora to the original one on NES, ALTTP or Link's Awakening.
Even though I could agree on a solid opinion about those being better than 3D Zeldas, I could bet that you didn't even play those.
on the zelda note, the last zelda game i played was tp and i cbf finishing it. i'm pretty sure i almost got to the end but i just stopped playing it and traded it in. i think i traded it in for the wii version of re4 and i have no regrets because that game was fucking awesome.
is albw really worth buying? the only reason i haven't played is because i got bored during tp which didn't happen with any of the others, despite mm being a hard slog through the last dungeon because i kept running out of time.
i never finished 4th gen pokemon for the same reason. i got bored and i picked up white when bw2 came out (borrowed from my sister) but i never want to try playing that 4th gen shit again. it has the same feel as roms for me, they simply aren't engaging.
>>342133334
I hate Arin's review of the game. He hated it because he fucking sucks at playing video games. I dislike OoT and MM because I find them boring.
The combat was not great for its time. It was super mundane and repetitive. Zelda 1 on NES had better combat and better bosses.
Termina field isn't crowded with things to do, it's just a main hub with some holes for some masks and some chests here and there. There's nothing remotely interesting in there.
And I've played all those.
>>342133634
>roms
i meant rom hacks. i've started a few but could never be assed finishing them. idk why, i just get to a point in the game where i decide that i have better things to do than play some shitty version of a pokemon game. i also never played hgss despite gsc being my favourite pokemon games when they first came out.
>>342123674
You forgot the ds zeldas :^)
>>342120720
>it doesn't even have good music
you disqualified yourself with these 6 words
Should I play the Oracle games? I love ALttP and LA but I've never tried the Oracles for some reason. I'm not sure why they're never really talked about. When they are talked about, people seem to rave about them like they're the best 2d Zelda games out there, but they always seem overshadowed. Are they not actually that good?
>>342134279
they are good as games, but only mid to low as zelda games. making fun for one playthrough, though
>>342134279
They're great, although Ages pissed me off halfway through for some reason.
>>342134041
>Zelda 1 on NES had better combat and better bosses.
It really didn't.
i really, Really enjoy games that are hated by /v/
>>342120720
In other news I finally beat the shitshow that is Ocarina. I want to see one person passionately defend that game now. As a kid I loved it, got stuck in water temple because I was an idiot, but I had fun as a dumb kid. Tried replaying it years back in 3D and I made it to the Fire Temple before I deemed it unfun. I beat that save today and I felt relief, I finally beat Ocarina. I wasn't proud,I was happy that I didn't have to play it again. Where is the enjoyment!
I will say the credits looked pretty, I liked them.
I'm not huge on ALttP either. I don't dislike it but it ia handily my least favorite Zeldathat doesn't feature Toon Link.
>>342134686
me2
>>342134041
>Zelda 1 on NES had better combat
bosses are subjective based on difficulty and how much fun you had beating them but the combat system is objectively better in oot and mm. literally fucking revolutionary. the fuck is wrong with you?
>>342120720
I'm pretty sure me and my sister cracked the board inside our first console (a second hand Sega Genesis) because we rammed the carts in too hard when they didn't work
>>342134821
Its design is of its time but these days it's more rudimentary than bad. It was a major building block for 3D games in general and while bigger, badder games have come and gone OoT's foundation is sound enough for it to retain its classic status. For a nearly 20 year old game it remains surprisingly playable.
I agree with you OP.
I like most Zelda games a lot, but I can't bring myself to finish them completely. I always just stop at the halfway point and call it a game. I don't really no why because I don't really get that burnt out on games like Zelda at all normally, I just stop for no reason.
I love Skyward Sword and it bums me out how people always talk shit about it. Same shit happened to TP and now people praise it.
But it's not that. I think SS is the best 3D Zelda game since MM. Sure TP had the best dungeons but as a whole SS delivered greatly.
From the story, to the level design (while linear, it was focused), the progression (as in how the Master Sword was improving as the game went on). I was truly invested in the game and the motion controls were great, not perfect, but Nintendo couldn't get much practice with its development. SS motion controls are the 3D of Mario 64, unrefined but impressive.
It's a shame they won't do another Zelda like that, with even better controls and mechanics. I'm happy about BotW but it's a pity I'll never see a mechanical sequel to SS.
>>342134205
Oh no. I did not forget. Neglect? Sure.
>>342135301
>I always just stop at the halfway point and call it a game.
Then you must like zelda 1 alttp and albw while hating tp an ss
I've never really even heard somebody give substantial reason for why LttP is supposed to be so great. It's always just vague nonspecific praise.
I really think it's just a game people like because it was the first game they played that was big, open, and detailed.
>>342135243
Playing it now, OoT aged like fine wine in my opinion.
>>342134041
oot paved the way for shit like dark souls. there weren't any games like that before oot.
if you want to bash combat in it then that is fine but it makes it clear that you only played the 3ds versions. personally i think the combat is pretty solid to this day.
>>342120720
Is this any good on Wii U VC?
Can I use a pro controller?
Thinking about buying it from the sale, but that extra 10% isn't coming through.
Ocarina of time is a pretty big step down from LttP and few have reached so high.
Replayability is king and alttp doesnt disappoint with the later 2/3rds being so non-linear
>>342135448
I do like Zelda 1. that's really the only Zelda game I gave 100%ed before. I still stop halfway in ALTTP and ALBW.
>>342135893
Oh wow, for some reason I thought you said I always just stop at the hallway point and call it a game.
Well fuck, I blame my shit tv
>>342122925
>tfw I have a general dislike of pretty much every 3D Zelda bar Wind Waker (and elements of Majora's) but I love the 2D ones
>Have held these opinions for 10+ years
>If I dare speak of my tastes on /v/, I am without question labelled a Game Grumps kiddie or a contrarian hipster
I fucking hate /v/ memes.
>>342135362
What about ALbw? (^:
>>342135762
Emulate it on your laptop or desktop pc. If you don't have one then yes buy it, it supports the Pro Controller.
>>342135619
Eh, I still think its great but I do think it was more mindblowing back then compared to now. These days it's just another really good game whose "failings", like it's even fair to refer to them as such, come strictly from how old the game is. It is one of those games where I can't name any sincere flaws with it.
>>342135619
Explain. I'm legitimately curious. I can see the basics of a "great game" just the execution is flawed. It set the Zelda formula, which is a good formula, but it's just the fucking formula. There's nothing special about it and no 3D Zelda has used this formula to its potential.
>>342135604
>I've never really even heard somebody give substantial reason for why LttP is supposed to be so great. It's always just vague nonspecific praise.
It's held in high regard because it established the foundation for modern Zelda games. The NES ones feel like prototypes compared to ALttP. Good prototypes, mind you, but ALttP fixes most of the obscure stuff that holds those games back to the 80s. It's pretty timeless.
Also it has a large number of items, and some secret optional ones too. The level design is top notch for the most part and most of the dungeons give you various options to explore to find your path. I general it is a well designed game, but yes, it is loved by many because it was the first. I think it also helps that is a core Zelda experience. As if, if you want to get into the series you play this and OoT to understand 2D and 3D Zelda games respectively.
I think other 2D Zelda games improve on some aspects of ALttP but in other areas they feel like a step down. The portable games are more limited even though they are huge. The controls too are kinda more awkward. It's a shame we never got another 2D Zelda for consoles.
I hope that helped.
>>342136057
Its okay anon, I dislike the 3d games as well after the initial playthrough. I blame epona and too much focus on muh story and muh atmosphere for ruining the franchise.
>>342120720
It's ok
>>342136078
I should get around to owning a 3DS huh? Any games other than Pokemon (heard this gen was pretty bad for them) and Zelda? I heard something about Dragon Quest 7 coming soon, was that remake any good?
>>342136240
> emulate
I'd rather play it on tv/gamepad. Also I have eshop credit.
>>342134041
Are you a fucking retard? Zelda I combat is literally mashing one button for the same animation. Over and over.
OoT has horizontal, vertical and jump slashes. Different animations and dodges based on Whether youre Z targeting. Shield stab when not Z target ing. Back flip sidestep and roll. Spin attack. And a seamless integration of other items and weapons into combat.
>>342136323
>The NES ones feel like prototypes compared to ALttP. Good prototypes, mind you, but ALttP fixes most of the obscure stuff that holds those games back to the 80s. It's pretty timeless.
Yeah like all that pesky exploration.
>>342136257
There's really not much special about OoT honestly, it's just that with just about every other Zelda game, especially 3D Zelda, people always have one gripe or another with the game, while Ocarina of Time, while not doing much unique, does very little wrong, so when picking one favorite OoT tends to be the safest pick for most people.
>>342136257
OoT didn't set the modern Zelda formula, ALttP did. What it did do was translate it into 3D while simultaneously pushing 3D action adventure design forward for its time.
>>342136249
>I still think its great but I do think it was more mindblowing back then compared to now.
Well, obviously. But I consider it better than half of current releases because of the philosophy of game design back then.
>>342136257
What aspects do you consider its execution flawed?
What I find so good about it is that it's just 3D Zelda as its most basic, purest form. The dungeon design is pretty good, the story is simple but effective, like the contrast between past and present, and while it has obvious flaws like Hyrule being so empty because of the limitations of the era, the overall game is pretty great.
I don't know how to explain my subjective opinion better.
>>342136868
>hurrr you dunt need to explore in alttp
He means the trees and bombable walls in the overworld. Getting max hearts in zelda 1 without any help is downright awful.
>>342135604
Really? There are plenty of things on the Internet you can read about A Link to the Past.
I think the game's biggest strength is in its pacing. Hyrule and the Dark World (and their connections) are engaging to explore unto themselves, too, without falling into the tedium of the Oracle games and The Minish Cap or the dull hub-mentality of Ocarina of Time and its successors. The series found a balance with A Link to the Past that keeps it compelling. I replayed it for the first time in years a month ago and love it more now than I did before.
>>342135604
Alttp has actual dungeons that are intimidation, confusing, and most importantly designed to fool you with red herrings. The entire dungeon is a puzzle because of how open the routes are with the keys and doors, many times you can optimize your routes to save time and not use all the keys or explore all the rooms if youjust want to speed through, not many zeldas give you that freedom.
Same goes for the dark world progression as well, once you get the hammer from the first dungeon you can basically go anywhere else in the game, I often avoid the hookshot or get it as early as possible because of how much that changes the dynamic of the rest of the game.
If new zelda can do the same, being able to do dungeons in many different orders and the items atually impacting the playthrough of each dungeon we might have the sequel to alttp i always wanted. Also I love how many weapons and other items you end up with at the end, its amazing how useful they all are.
OoT is good but too limited and lacking in dungeons. Most zelda games are lacking dungeons if they dont have more than Zelda fucking 1
>>342120720
The problem isn't the game, the problem is you. You have rancid diarrhea taste.
>>342135104
You don't smash them in you blow in the cartridge and in the machine. Fucking moron.
>>342136868
>Yeah like all that pesky exploration.
I'll be honest. I don't like LoZ1 exploration. Not because I don't like exploration and I think ALttP does it better (and by the way, you can do the majority of the dungeons outside of order anyway), but LoZ1 is too obscure at certain parts to the point of being annoying. The exploration is not reguarding half the time because everything is hidden in unfair ways. Can't try to burn the bushes in one single screen until very late in the game because your lantern only works once per screen. Can't bomb everything because of limited bombs and for both cases there's barely any indications where you can bomb or burn in the overworld. It's awful, it makes you grind for rupees and bombs.
Exploration can be done so much better. LoZ1 is only fun with a full map of the overworld with all the important places already marked.
>>342137534
No you pull it out about a millimeter
>>342135848
>>342137340
Where have I read this before?
>>342120720
you need to use the silver arrows. and savestates.
>>342120720
I'll just list the things that usually get me a lot of hate on /v/.
I think FF4 is the shittiest Final Fantasy by far, I hate /v/'s universal top games like Dark Souls, Morrowind and Stalker. (Loved Mount and Blade though), and I think those ASCII roguelike games are for autists.
I still haven't preordered Skyrim Remastered!
>>342137340
>OoT is good but too limited and lacking in dungeons.
OoT has much more progression than LttP, and while there are less dungeons, they are all MUCH bigger and more well designed (except Water Temple). That and OoT's dungeons had clear distinct themes unlike LttP's which is just bland and uninspired.
>>342120720the only game I have completed is star fox 64on the easy route only
>>342137534
m8 we were little kids back then, all we knew how to do was use an eraser on the plug part, blow on it, and if none of those worked we would ram it in. Thing worked like shit when we got it anyway so eh.
>>342137873
>progression
Whoops meant content.
>>342137590
>people still complain about the fucking bush
The game straight up tells you which bush to burn down in one of those little hint rooms.
>>342137845
You are DEAD to me.
>>342120720
>It doesn't even have good music
eat my anime asshole you FUCK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuN9Y7MNJW8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOb0CcSA04c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuQ1GrgBul4
>>342137691
Definitely wasnt the other zelda thread that died
>>342137873
>they are all MUCH bigger and more well designed
HAHA no. Misery mire is easily biggar than any oot dungeon, many late game dungeons are very very large with winding paths that force you to THINK about where to use that precious small key. The small key is worthless in new zelda working only as a gate to the next room rather than an option to choose where to go next.
>That and OoT's dungeons had clear distinct themes unlike LttP's which is just bland and uninspired.
>lttp had no themes in its dungeons
Thats just plain wrong the dark forest has the strongest theme out of any zelda game with its multiple entrances and exits into a crypt full of mummies and overgrown vines. Ice palace, turtle rock, misery mire, swamp palace, desert palace, tower of hera, almost every dungeon is extremely distinct with completely different challenges. OoT did the same just far simpler and with far fewer themes. Just compare ganons tower in both games and youll see what I mean.
>>342134279
Seasons is amazing. Ages has the same problem the ones on 64 have, it has a main hub that leads to every other temple/town and it takes from the labyrinthine nature of the game. Still a great game, tho!
I never finished Tomb Raider 3 told all my mates I did
>>342134503
>>342138837
So if I only get one, should I get Seasons?
>>342138045
Pretty sure he means all the secret bushes where the only way to know is help or checking every bush on every screen. Level 7 or 8 is insanely easy to stumble across because its a bush blocking a clear path.
>>342138415
>Dark World Mountain/Forest
Good
>>342138947
>not getting both to complete the true quest and get the master sword and mirror shield
Its worth it anon, they are fun alone but work so much better together. More quests, carrying over all your rings for even more power etc..
>>342139138
well which one do I play first then
>>342120720
Im in the same boat OP, I fucking hate alttp
>beat the first three dungeons
>fight the sage
>that was a cool game
>reach the dark world
>7 more dungeons to go
>fuck this
>>342138808
>HAHA no. Misery mire is easily biggar than any oot dungeon
It's really short mate like all other LttP dungeons. Like the Forest Temple in OoT alone is longer than any dungeon in LttP by a fairly large margin.
>many late game dungeons are very very large with winding paths that force you to THINK about where to use that precious small key. The small key is worthless in new zelda working only as a gate to the next room rather than an option to choose where to go next.
I'm not sure what you're going on about because this is also the case in OoT as well.
>Thats just plain wrong the dark forest has the strongest theme out of any zelda game with its multiple entrances and exits into a crypt full of mummies and overgrown vines. Ice palace, turtle rock, misery mire, swamp palace, desert palace, tower of hera, almost every dungeon is extremely distinct with completely different challenges. OoT did the same just far simpler and with far fewer themes. Just compare ganons tower in both games and youll see what I mean.
They all look exactly the same. Having a different palette doesn't change that. OoT's dungeons are very distinct. Might I add OoT actually has unique music for every dungeon as well?
>>342139198
Shit this is worth looking up because if you do it wrong there is letierally a screen of one of the games you CANNOT get to.
I raged so hard when I found that out and had to do it ALLL over again. Pretty sure its ages that needs to be second for that screen if you ever want to complete boths games maps.
>>342139471
It's better off you don't play, if you're so shit at following a story that you think Aghanim was a sage.
>>342134575
>>342135013
>>342135654
>>342136725
But what's the point of Z-targetting and so many kinds of sword slashes if you're never going to use any of them and the final boss is just magic voleyball?
>>342138947
If you can only get one, for some strange reason, go for Seasons. But if you can play both, do it.
>>342139471
Man I came when Link got on top of that pyramid for the first time only to find out there are 7 fucking more dungeons. What a ride.
>>342139471
If you don't like dungeons it makes sense you wouldn't like LTTP or any Zelda. Your taste is still shit though.
I think Paper Mario 64 as a whole is better than TTYD as a whole.
Me and my friends still play Minecraft regularly
I have a secret tunnel in my house that leads to each of their storage rooms, I constantly steal their shit
I also switch around entire chests frequently, so they get confused as to where their things are
>>342138947
Pick Seasons but if you beat one of the games you get a password that unlocks extra shit and the true ending in the other.
>>342139734
not using them is your fault, not a flaw in the game design.
>>342139734
Rule of cool and camera control. We forget how ungodly horrible some early 3d games were when it came to managing the camera in a precision situation.
![zelda1[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/p65pus8.jpg "zelda1[1].jpg")
>>342120720
I love both ALTTP and OOT, and I don't feel any need to choose between them.
Am I a filthy casul?
Ultimate DOOM is my favourite FPS by far but I've never finished the entire campaign. I also didn't play it until I was 20.
I got Dark Souls in 2011 but didn't beat it until this year.
I rarely finish games that I begin. I've only beaten 2 this year, Dark Souls and Deus Ex. I think I might have ADD.
I know a lot of things about video games because I read a lot about them, discuss them, and watch videos. I've grown to do this more than actually playing games. I am the cancer.
>>342140214
No. Opposite. True patricians can see the quality in two masterworks without dividing themselves and quibbling like American politicians.
>>342134279
Ages is one of my favorite zelda games
>>342120940
>kys
I want Youtube cancer to leave.
I guess my main sin is that as I've gotten older, I've become so shit at games. Or just completely uninterested, despite there being praise for said games.The last boss on Starfox Zero took me like 30 mins idk why.
>>342140259
>Ultimate DOOM is my favourite FPS by far but I've never finished the entire campaign.
You really should finish it. The final stages of Inferno are the best stages in the game.
Also, Doom II is even better, if you can believe it.
I love Majora's Mask. At the moment, it's my favorite Zelda of all time.
Ocarina less so. Every time I go back to it, Hyrule Field just feels really lame. And there are more dungeons I hate or am altogether indifferent to in Ocarina than in any other game. I like the Forest Temple, but I'm ambivalent towards Dodongo's Cavern, don't care about the Shadow Temple and hate the Water Temple. There are multiple parts of the game where I have flashbacks to the last times I played it and go "Yeah, I kinda don't wanna do this anymore."
>>342140214
they're two completely different games
>>342140214
lol no you dont you idort
Wind Waker (Gamecube) > Twilight Princess > The rest
>>342140360
ALTTP is bright, accessible, fast-paced, light-hearted, and colorful fun.
OOT is a dark, complex, slow-paced, bittersweet, atmospheric journey.
I don't see why anyone would arbitrarily choose between such widely different games, especially since they both excel in their respective fields.
I love Zero Mission but cannot stand Super Metroid because of the physics. The ending is GOAT though, I will give it that.
>>342141046
TP > OoT = MM > SS > WW
>>342141342
Still the best planet explosion from any game I've ever seen. Impressive considering it's a SNES game.
>>342141081
You get no argument from me. I love 'em both.
>>342122858
This isn't a Skyward Sword thread.
>>342120720
My "sin"?
Not really a sin, per se, except maybe here. But I admit that I would never have known that there was a Wii U sequel to Xenoblade Chronicles without the people here kicking up such a fuss about the censorship.
Then I buy it and continue to sink triple-digit hours into it, with the censorship never bothering me.
I greatly enjoyed Genesis's character and Crisis Core as a whole. The ending was subpar compared to its depiction in the original FFVII though
I own all 4 mainline Senran Kagura games.
>>342120720
It's certainly a sin to have shit taste.
>>342120720
I like every Zelda game except Ocarina of Time. Sure, OoT has the best story out of them all, but it's just so fucking boring.
I thought MM was x10 improvement in terms of shit to do.
I think SMB3 is one of the best (maybe even the best) Mario games ever made, but I can't fucking stand Super Mario World. I don't know exactly what it is, maybe it's the level design, maybe it's the enemy respawn system and erratic placement, maybe it's the same-y environments, but I just can't fucking play it for more than 10 minutes at a time without wanting to play literally any other Mario game.
>>342130192gracias medico
>>342143187
>best story
I wouldn't say that. In terms of just writing, I'd say Majora's Mask, Wind Waker and Twilight Princess beat it. Probably Skyward Sword too.
>>342143187
That's kind of understandable. OoT is a jack of all trades, master of none title. The only other Zelda that really pulls that off is ALttP, most other Zeldas have some specialty approach to their design. In MM's case it's world building and sidequests.
>>342143805
That's the best description I've read in regards to Ocarina of Time.
>>342143805
From another perspective, you could say that Ocarina's very well-balanced, hence its popularity.
>>342120720
>It doesn't even have good music
You're a fucking retard.
>>342144415
>he likes something I don't like and therefore must be wrong
back to memebase with you
Confess my sins? OK. I started playing games at the N64 and didn't really touch 8/16 bit games until I was much older and interested in them. I fucking suck at all sidescrollers because of this, even the NES and SNES Mario games.
>>342144538
He dislikes something that I like is more accurate, you braindead shit. But saying LTTP doesn't have good music is objectively wrong.
>>342120720
I think Ocarina of Time is the worst 3D Zelda
The best 3D Zelda is Twlight Princess
The best 2D Zelda is Link's Awakening
I also think 3D Marios are kinda shit. 64 is alright tho
Heres the worst one
Mighty No. 9 looked bad from the fucking beginning and anything resembling Megaman deserves a slow and painful death. Megaman has always been shit, and there's nothing to do to shed light on it, not even sticking a new name onto it will save it.
Ain't I a fucking savage
>>342146378
>the best 3D Zelda is Twlight Princess
>the best 2D Zelda is Link's Awakening
Are you me?
>>342146378
>Megaman has always been shit
Explain yourself.
I traded like 25 TF2 items including buds for Binding of Isaac and asked "is this enough?"
That was back in 2011 and I still regret it.
>>342146378
Megaman's overall quality is indeed lower than most people would like to admit but the series did eke out some great action platformers, influential even. It's a fools errand to try and diminish the reach of games like Megaman 2 or Megaman X.
Twilight Princess is by far the worst Zelda, 2d and 3d combined. If you like it, it was your first or your waifu is Midna. The game was ugly and bland and completely forgettable, aside from a couple of good dungeons.
>>342146964
OoT was my first Zelda and I have never waifued Midna, yet TP is my personal favorite. Disliking it is fair but your accusations are grossly erroneous.
>>342146964
>completely forgettable
I have some very fond memories of Gerudo Desert and Snowpeak. Mid-game TP is completely amazing.
