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http://shoryuken.com/2016/06/17/gamespot-interviews-capcom-at-e3-regarding-the-future-of-street-fighter-v/
That was fucking painful to read.
Does Capcom actually expect people to buy this game just because of story mode?
after playing both i think Pokken is SF5 was trying to go for
- super low execution
- limited moves, all with some use
- it's just a guessing game (shimmy/grab, jab/counter/throw)
the only thing is anti airs do good damage in Pokken, if SF5 had the same thing it would be much better
>>342072938
whoever that artist is, needs to be fucking murdered in their sleep.
>>342072938
Capcom deserves everything bad it happens to them, I'm still mad because of the MvC3 fiasco.
>>342072938
>that """art"""
please tell me this isn't real
>>342074576
What's wrong with MvC3?
>>342074487
I think it's Bengus
>>342072938
and yet people will play it anyway because lmao street fighter
>>342074487
>>342074645
theres no way its official, it definitely isn't bengus
>>342074732
>announce the Ultimate version a few months after vanilla was released
They can choke with a bag of dicks.
Eventually they will put out a disk called Super Street Fighter V that is just the base game with all the DLC and balance patches, and the relaunch will have decent word of mouth compared to the original release.
>>342074936
So basically Final Fantasy XIV-2
>>342073363
>limited moves
but Pokken has lots of moves?..
It just tucks them away in other tab so that normies don't get too overwhelmed
>>342072938
>Capcom tells consumers that this is bare bones and content will be added post release
>Consumers buy anyways and complain about lack of content
I think the game is shit and 8 frames of lag is inexcusable. But what the fuck. Why are people so dumb. Do they not research what they buy
>>342073363
I hate anti airing someone all match only to fuck up/not react once and that lead disappears.
Wanting to throw fireballs in this game is suffering.
All Capcom did was try to expose why Early Access is SHIT and the world turned on them. Incomplete games are sold all the time, except Capcom plan's on finishing theirs.
>>342074815
they blamed it on that tsunami that happened at the time too i think
I don't get it? What's wrong with Street Fighter V?
>>342075569
>>342075353
What pisses me off is people who don't research what they buy and aren't fighting game players to boot
>Waaah muh vs CPU
Like Jesus fuck off, especially shit when reviewers do this
>>342074805
Its official. They've been doing them for tons of characters in the SF universe for SFV
>>342075747
No arcade
No story
No depth
8 frames
DLC characters
No vs CPU
No balance
Specializes both genders
Mika is stupid
>>342075787
there are hardly any reviewers that play fighting games and thats the only shit they can focus on,either way it still seems so odd for this game to not have your basic arcade mode
>>342075810
well shit
Also what was I supposed to get from the interview that shows SFV is officially dead?
Its just the guy saying they'll keep producing content and are working on issues and most stuff is coming.
Like its all stuff we already know and none of it is bad
>>342075787
I love online mode but shipping a fighting game with no Arcade or Free Battle mode is fucking stupid.
I play arcade to learn the basics of a character. Training mode is boring.
>>342076007
Capcom already explained why
Beside survival is a decent temporary arcade alternative
>>342075924
>specializes both genders
What?
>>342076157
Hell they even said the the new version of the PS3 won't change their original promise of no Super editions or anything like that.
sfv is sfxt all over again. 10 bux says its dead after evo
>>342074753
>Bengus
If that's true then, jesus christ, what the hell did he do with his art style? Or rather, why did he stop copying the other artists?
>>342076197
survival is shit especially since thats the only way you can unlock color
>>342073363
I just wish Pokken didn't have that shitty fucking input delay. People turned 8f into a catchall excuse for SFV's shit, but not one person has bitched about how Pokken has a year's worth of input delay.
>>342076197
>survival is a decent arcade alternative
>70 matches that are too fucking easy and then all the rest are cheaters
>One round matches
Arcade mode, this is not.
>>342072938
did they confirm we will get an arcade mode with endings yet, story mode won't cut it
>>342076303
fgc wont let a mainline sf game die,not like most of them play anything else anyway
>>342076379
>>342076431
You want vs ai. So survival and training vs CPU is what you got.
There is nothing wrong with survival. Like every vs ai scenario you can exploit their shit programming.
>>342076532
Vs CPU mode and an "Extra Battle" mode are confirmed, no word on what extra battle is.
Can't recall if they mentioned arcade mode. Its definitely not coming soon but they might be planning on it.
>>342076678
arcade mode wouldn't be hard to put in would it?
>>342076318
It ain't Bengus you sperg, just some Udon chump. It's got that Udon Brand Vaseline shading.
>>342076303
Nah, this is the main game, it's a good game, just you know missing all that other shit. Just like KI, it will be a full game down the road.
>>342076751
all they have to do is have like a one minute opening and ending with each character
>>342076751
Making arcade intros and endings would be when they still needed to get Story Mode out, continue working on the DLC characters, bug fixing, vs cpu and extra mode, daily challenges, trying (and failing) to get the zenny shop up, etc.
They have a lot that was previously planned before they add something as intensive as arcade.
>Beg for Balrog to be released
>Every day I pray for Balrog
>Email Capcom about how much I want Balrog to be in already so I can finally play this game for real
>THEY RELEASE FUCKING IBUKI
I'm done with them this game can burn in hell forever
>>342077006
>They release fucking Ibuki
Not yet they haven't ;^)
But in all honesty you can get a taste of Rog in the cinematic story and he'll probably come July
Shoryuken niggers are the whiniest bitches on earth.
>>342076160
why not just play Survival though?
You definitively get more than 8 matches in that mode
>>342076870
I don't think it will get as good as ki did. Especially considering this shit ain't free.
they censored the game for casuals now theyre spending all their time working on shit to entice casuals. capcom is fucking retarded. if they would have focused on the core audience the game wouldve been good and the casuals would gravitate naturally.
>>342076431
Arcade mode would be 8 matches that are too fucking easy and one that would be cheater.
Whats really the difference?
>>342077462
KI looks and plays like a free game.
>>342077508
The core audience is still playing, though. It's the casuals who are butthurt.
>>342076303
SFVST was legit broken.
>>342074936
Very likely. I'll feel a bit bad about buying vanilla version, but 92 hours playtime was way more worth from my money than the usual. I had some good fun up till now and intend to play a good tad more yet.
>>342072938
>>Does Capcom actually expect people to buy this game just because of story mode?
Would have helped if the story mode was FUCKING FINISHED when the game was released instead of shitting out an unfinished game so the EffGeeCee could have it at their slumber party
>>342077462
>KI
>free
>comes with a SINGLE fucking character unlocked
>>342077526
sf plays like LESS than a free game so that says a lot.
They had all that beta time and they didn't fix shit.
>>342075924
8 frames of input delay is fucking absurd. why is this allowed
>>342076540
Tell that to SF3, it was never even alive to begin with.
>>342077771
Its a demo, the good thing is that a single season character pack is only 20 dollars .
>>342077829
It improved significantly, though. To say the game has problems would be an understatement, but they're constantly making it better and it's a blast to play. Which is more than I can say about KI.
>>342076303
SFxTK had shit gameplay with the gems system, and how you can cheese every match by scamming the timer. SFV has good gameplay but that's all the good you can say about it other than the netcode. Everything else is bare bones and sort of forces you to play survival to get your money's worth. Story mode won't get the casuals to buy it since that's the only thing that would get them interested. Who knows, maybe casuals would buy it since its less than $40
>>342075924
>No depth
This is the fastest way to identify someone who's shit and doesn't understand fighting games. It's valid to not enjoy the game's particular style, but it has plenty of depth. People are just grasping at reasons to not play because they just don't want to play. Certainly some pros feel this way, but a lot of casuals will also use this argument when they get bopped and need an excuse for not improving.
>No balance
The fuck?? Say what you will about this game, but it's probably THE MOST balanced vanilla Street Fighter game to date. Even supposed low tiers like Gief and F.A.N.G. are getting regular use.
>>342072938
yikes who the fuck drew that
i could do better
>>342078215
I love how the shitter opinions are always either "it's imbalanced" or "it's too balanced so everybody plays the same".
>>342077006
>Balrog confirmed to have no headbutt and no 3f jab
He's fucking dead before he's even released. Cacpom doesn't want any real defensive character in the game they want everyone to do the same crush counter set ups so every retard can play every character.
>>342078570
>Wooooowww, he doesn't have the exact same tools and exact same playstyle in this new game? FUCK Capcom, man!
Newsflash: Guile is still valid defensively, if you want that. Same goes for Dhalsim or even the shotos. Only difference is you can't just throw out your cute Sonic Booms because you have to actually think about when to use them.
Adapt, shitter.
>>342077764
Its not story mode, people want arcade mode. That its. But the funny thing is the reason why they dropped arcade mode is because not that many people play it. I have an achievement in USF4 for beating the game on normal difficulty with Rolento and only %0.96 of people have it. I think the steam spy number is fucked for USF4, it says 700k owners. But that is 24k that beat that on normal. I did the math for 100k owners because ultra sold 500k cross platforms. and I got 4k people that beat arcade mode rolento. So ya, capcom cut arcade mode because people don't play arcade mode.
>>342076410
Pokken 'gets away' with massive input delay because it has 9 frame jabs like Tekken. 8f delay in a game with 3 frame jabs is insane. Some characters have 13f jabs in Pokken. It does ruin throw breaking and turns it into throw guessing though. Then again throws would be worthless like in Tekken if they could be broken on reaction easily.
>>342078879
The only problem with defensive play is because muh intentional 8 frames fucks with reactions. You have to preemptively think about anti-airing instead of reacting to a jump in with one.
I certainly hope the reputation of one of their flagship franchises was worth shitting this abortion of a game out for the Capcom Pro Tour.
>>342079121
>cut arcade
>the game does horribly to the point where it won't even reach half of SF4's lifespan
This is not a coincidence.
>>342078949
While I can understand the surprise that a basic and classic mode was missing, this fact actually makes me pretty salty about all the casuals whipping up a negative press-storm because of it.
I mean Capcom deserves the negative press for the game's infrastructure problems. But casuals seemed to bitch the loudest about arcade mode when it's a place where people fuck around in for less than an hour and never touch again.
It's like people who don't even play fighting games had some of the most damaging impacts on the game's news presence.
>>342072938
>that art
They made this whole Capcom Fighters Network thing and now they're never even gonna make any other fighters.
>>342079126
>You have to preemptively think about anti-airing instead of reacting to a jump in with in.
Not to defend the 8-frame delay, but no you don't. It is harder, but you can still absolutely react to a jump in. It's natural to NOT react jump-ins when your heavily focused on the neutral or on something else, though.
>4 months after release
>all of the stat tracking is still broken
10/10 quality game capcom
Still amazed that they didn't patch a simple arcade mode in.
That was the single most dumb decision a dev could make for a fighting game release. We literally wouldn't be having 90% of this shit-storm if they hadn't been this immensely stupid.
>>342079489
The delay is shit.
I do not understand why the fuck they abandoned a working engine to fuck this up.
>>342079597
This is the developer that intentionally put 8 frames on input delay into their game. They are the dumbest developers in videogames right now
>>342079673
8 frames are not a problem. People love to use it as an excuse though and it has officially reached meme status.
>Sony Collab
>Successful
pick one
>buying into early access game
>>342079801
Pretty much it is an excuse for them not adapting to the game. Hell the asians have no issue with the 8 frames.
>>342079801
8 frames combined with 2% damage anti airs combined with having to know 3 of them for different angles is the issue. It's a meme because lel keep jumping gets 50% damage combos
>>342079801
8 frames aren't so much as an excuse for bad execution/reaction as it is something that forces the game to be more aggressive and promotes going ham and less about defensive footsies and reactions just so they can make it more flashy to appeal to casuals.
>2016
>fighting games
it's so bizarre to me that the players don't understand how incredibly dead this genre is, and are now resorting to playing online and thinking that's a normal thing in order for the genre not to be dead.
fighting games. online.
>>342079801
>>342079967
It's true. Most people seem to ignore that most games have native 3-5f input delay. 8f may sound like a lot, but it's not that much of a jump that makes the game unplayable.
>>342079801
>8 frames are not a problem
yeah thats not going to mess up reactions or whiff punishing at all
>>342080131
>it's so bizarre to me that the players don't understand how incredibly dead this genre is
It's not dead, it's just an Arcade thing, always has and always will be. Think of the console versions as a "gym" in prep for the arcade scene.
>>342079613
It's not a problem for anti airs, this is true. It is a problem for situations where you need to react much faster, such as the whole shimmy situation. Some may still be able to react in 8 frames, others maybe not be able to react in as low as 2 frames delay, but there is certainly a group of people that get lost in those 3 extra frames this game has (SF4 has 5 frames input delay naturally).
>>342080263
there aren't any arcades though, this is why i have my perspective. i used to love fighting games, but arcades died. like 99% of the country has 0 access to arcades
>>342072938
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>342080131
>I don't play that genre
>I find it weird that other people do
>it's officially a dead genre
>>342080495
Not everyone lives in burgerland anon. Just saying.
>>342080495
Arcades died in the mid 90's. The only places that still have them are places near colleges.
>>342080649
Pretty much everyone who matters does. I can't imagine europe has many arcades either, you never had nearly as many as america to begin with.
>Capcom's releasing the characters in order
>"Alright cool. I'll have Juri by July or August. That's awesome."
>May hits
>"UHHHH DELAYED CUZ....FUCK IDK"
>Now May is June, June is July, July is August, etc.
>Have to wait another fucking month.
Current year
Still no arcade mode.
>>342075924
>memes the post
Jesus christ, SFV is full of bullshit yet you decide to make shit up to artificially inflate the complaint list?
>>342080785
If you already stopped playing the game good luck not getting killed 0-2 online wise. Those people will just wipe the floor with you and more so the beginers to middle end players are going to be a tiny pool.
>>342080941
>Implying I won the majority of my matches anyway
I only really played Ken and Laura anyway, desu.
>>342080752
>Pretty much everyone who matters does
I think we're done.
So like.
By SF5 Sakura has got to be in her 20s or so, right?
I know the official reason is "She's always a school girl!" and "She feels comfortable when taking on a hoolgian in her old school inform" or whatever.
I mean like, what is the female equivalent to a manchild? What do you call a woman in her 30s wearing clothes that don't even fit her anymore and stalking hobos across the globe?
>>342081068
how about the pie chart that shows 80% of the user base of this site is USA.
get the fuck out, thanks.
>>342081068
>huge, dominant minority arab populations in your most major cities
>you attempted to use this infographic to somehow make the UK look better than USA
shooting yourself in the foot and not even realizing it makes you look so stupid dude
This game is fucking boring, even for FGC people.
>Adding in shit characters
>No matter how many shit characters they add, the tier-list has not budged a single inch
>It's the same fucking 8 characters online, the same fucking 8 characters every tournament
>Defensive play is heavily decentivized, making it a braindead rushdown game with almost no neutral
>The rushdown is as pure as rushdown gets (i.e. pure rushdown means braindead play), even Guilty Gear you have to work harder to break your opponents guard
>Crush Counter advertised as a footsie tool but has no real purpose but to keep players from attempting to get out of shitty oki
>R. Mika still exists as she is
>V-Trigger a silly gimmick that overpowers some characters and others have hillariously shitty V-Trigger or Reversal (Vega for example not even being able to V-Reversal because it's actually that useless)
>Despite using Quickrise to advertise the end of Vortexes and Oki Fighter IV, new setplay revolves around Quickrises and other garbage tricks like restand have been found
Why the fuck is Tekken 7 coming out NEXT FUCKING YEAR?
>>342081152
Womentally retarded.
>>342081152
Sfv is after 4 but before three. sf2 is like 1992. and sf3 is 1999. and alpha is before 2. She is 16 in alpha 3.
>>342081352
ADAPT. Learn how to play the game.
How Capcom can make up for the shit launch:
Make all the year one DLC chars free.
>>342081605
it would fuck the people that bought season passes. What they did was good enough. They gave everyone 2 free story skins and the ability to play Guile, and Alex for free.
>>342081440
>even SFV dickrider's favorite dick to ride, Infiltration, has said the game is fucking boring because it never changes or has any interesting matchups
>>342081068
>his country has 16% of the population of the US with only 2.6% of the landmass
how does it feel knowing that we can go our entire lives seeing only white people, while Mohammad's dick slides into you if you so much as take a step backwards?
>>342081440
Go to bed Ricky
>>342081695
>deliver less than half a game
>"here's 2 skins"
lol no that isn't good enough
>>342081440
>All of these complaints don't count because you're bad!
Seriously stop posting.
>>342081695
>it would fuck the people that bought season passes.
Like I give a fuck if you're a retard that bought a season pass.
>They gave everyone 2 free story skins
For characters I don't play. Oh joy.
>and the ability to play Guile, and Alex for free.
Two characters I don't fucking like. Again, oh joy.
>They gave me nothing.
>>342081753
Half the game meaning no arcade mode that you expected to play and which Capcom took out because only .96% out of 100k people bothered to even play a single character to completion.
>>342081820
A whole lot of me me going on. Go cry to your 2 dads.
>>342081897
>only .96% out of 100k people bothered to even play a single character to completion.
LOLLLLLLL yeah nobody ever plays the fucking arcade mode in fighting games
did they actually feed you that garbage and you swallowed it? even with the unbelievable, hyperbolic tiny percentage?
If the game had an arcade mode, who would the boss even be? This game still hasn't got a final boss.
>>342081964
I have two moms actually.
>It's okay if Capcom's "We're sorry lol" is shit nobody fucking wants or cares about.
>Their apology is a demo and 2 skins that are borderline free to begin with.
>>342075787
>>Waaah muh vs CPU
>Like Jesus fuck off, especially shit when reviewers do this
>WAAAAH MUH HARDCORE E-SPORT! Games are only for showing off with people online you don't know
Fuck you
>>342082245
It's mind blowing that people in these threads are pretending that the majority of the fighting game market is hardcore players like people who come here
do they not realize they are literally 1% of people who buy fighting games
How come I can play as Alex, and Guile?
I didn't buy them or the season pass.
is it just me or devs just can't handle this whole responsability of "keep the game interesting even after release"?
Like 10 years ago you would release a street fighter or any other fighter, people would pay $50 and devs would just forget about it. You did mass marketing on every magazine (which barely exist anymore), and bribed every gaming website to give you high reviews. But now with steam reviews and the DLC shenanigans galore devs are forced to somehow find a magical content generator that will keep people playing their game and spending even more on it.
Is this logical? do people really want this? to be glued to a single game and have devs keep spouting low quality content for the sake of increasing revenue when the game's community is just losing interest? Do they expect the game to keep selling units in large quantities somehow?
Seems like the devs don't have a clear idea of what the players want, or they're forced into releasing stuff no one asked for, either way everybody loses.
>>342082507
it sort of is. Because each version of a game gets less and less sales. SF4 had something 3.4 million and then super was 1.9, AE 1.1 million and then ultra with 500k copies. So I got numbers and what do you got?
>>342082507
>It's mind blowing that people in these threads are pretending that the majority of the fighting game market is hardcore players like people who come here
You know what I sincerely love about SF5?
It proved that the hardcore FGC isn't the ones carrying this genre. Capcom ignored the casuals and got wrecked for it.
>>342082751
>4 fucking copies of a single game
so wait how much money did you have to spend to play SFIV over its lifetime?
I don't need numbers I have common sense anon. The subset who is highly passionate about something out of a general population will always be a minority. Really can't help you if things like this aren't self evident to you in life. Being able to think about things in that way is pretty much a foundation of rational/logical western thought
>>342072938
No. Anyone who actually cared about SF either purchased the title for online play/competitive play or choose to ignore it. The only thing a story mode fulfills is the promise Capcom made at the out front about tons of post-release support for the faithful and a fat press release to try to snatch a few casual fans.
As someone who loved SSF2T and SSFIV, I choose not to even try SFV. Mostly due to life being in the way of me dedicating that much time to learning a new fighting system (grad school, full time job, new house), but also due to general fighting game fatigue.
>>342082589
Its because their metrics say one thing and the "vocal player base" says another.
Players whine over no arcade mode, capcom looks at their metrics and see less than 1% beat the game with their 4 new characters in arcade mode. What the fuck do you think they do?
>>342072938
I got a huge fetish on unconscious girls. i willpiratethis game when the story mode comes out with the expectation of watching a lot of scenes of this kind
>>342073363
It's not a guessing game until you're executing all your inputs perfectly, even then certain characters like bison need to be spaced meticulously in they're going to maintain their more powerful options
>>342075810
I liked his Rufus
>>342082768
Capcom marketed this game directly to casuals with the gameplay, but didn't add any of the extra shit that they usually look for.
What's left is an extremely bare bones fighting game that isn't particularly interesting to the hardcoreunless you're making money off it like the people defending the input delayand still has no appeal for casuals.
I'm honestly surprised it's still alive at this point. Maybe it's just because everything else is still so dead in comparison.
>>342082921
players whined about wanting a more hardcore experience and when capcom listened the game flopped
They don't fucking care if people beat the game. They care if people BUY the game.
I seriously hope Sakura looks the way she does in the ending of Super Street Fighter IV rather than whatever the hell that atrocity is suppose to be.
>>342083148
Capcom refuses to change Ryu and Chun Li outside alts you think they're gonna do anything to change UNIFORM FETISH THE CHARACTER
>>342083060
No Capcom was pitching this game as the introduction game for people that want to get into fighters and people always forget that fighting games are hard to play. Doesn't help when Capcom has never done a single tutorial mode that actually teaches you the ins and outs of the game like some of the Arc System Works fighting games.
>>342082859
About 130 bucks over four years. Sixty up front for vanilla SFIV, Super was offered exculsively as a stand-alone upgrade as it was "too big" to be released as a patch/DLC--it was 40 dollars new. To upgrade from SSFIV to SSFIV:AE was 15 USD to download or another 40 bucks if you wanted a disc copy. And finally ultra was another 15 dollar download or 40 dollar disc.
>>342074815
To be fair, it was either that or we would've stuck with the broken vanilla version forever. Disney was pulling the plug on all licensed games at the time because they thought they could grab the entire pie for themselves if they made games on their own rather than letting others use Disney IPs. We saw how that turned out.
If anything, Capcom did FGC a favor by developing Ultimate. Yeah, it looked bad in the eyes of public, but Capcom knew FGC would rather get an updated version.
>>342082529
It's how they are going to beta test them since they are basically last minute.
>Capcom boss says rush game out
>Slow down playerbase by making characters need to be unlocked not by beating the arcade mode because that shit doesn't exist yet.
>Make them free to be tested then lock them later
Yeah thats right, they are going to lock alex and guile later after you get used to them being select able.
>>342083419
Ya that is just being under the mercy and guns of a contract.
>>342078879
>>342079126
The shotos do not have strong defensive play because all your options that aren't outranged are your fireballs.
Characters billed as "the defensive characters" actually shine best when they go in ala Fang and Sim.
Guile is actually a rare case in V of having frame advantage for blocked projectiles so even he gets the biggest dividends when he goes in on someone.
Part of playing V is accepting that you just don't get to downback. Some people don't like not having that option.
Considering casuals only give a shit about cinematic experiences and don't actually play games, yes.
That was literally the number one thing the vast majority of people bitched about with SFV.
They didn't give a shit about 8F delay. They didn't give a shit about 3F buffer. They didn't give a shit about battle lounge issues. They didn't give a shit about 2P 1F increase on some moves.
They only cared that it didn't have a fucking cinematic mode.
>>342074487
>>342072938
>why is she wearing khakis under her skirt
>oh fuck god no
This got tossed around a lot but if Capcom charged 30 bucks instead of 60 I honestly wouldn't have given a fuck.
Even DOA released a core edition. DOA. DOA was less evil than capcom
>>342083534
If I'm going to be forced to rushdown, I would rather play some anime fighter or melee. They're considerably better at it than SF5 is.
I like SF because it was one of the few games that actively tried to balance offensive and defensive playstyles instead of just all rushdown all the time.
>>342083463
Nigga are you really this stupid? They're free right now because they couldn't get the zenny system to work properly with Steam and PSN.
>>342078215
There is no depth lmao, can spot the brainwashed drone easily.
>>342083582
he thinks this
>>342083661
After all the fucking shit doa4 did to the community, 5 better had fucking stepped it up.
that shit almost killed the series with all that political bullshit fixed pots and whatnot.
It made for a good read though.
>>342083730
You can best bet that shit is gonna be locked so they can get the cash grab going.
They did the same shit with kanzaki estate in the beta just as a cuck test.
>>342083582
well the thing is MOST gamers play games with their friends and only casually touch the online mode.
I played a shit ton of 4 and 3 with my friends, but I don't give a fuck about online. It was our weekly hangout thing. And most gamers play for fun, not to show of their mad online skills.
>>342083284
jesus fucking christ. and here you are in an sfv thread. i hope you don't own this game
i feel embarrassed to be around you guys i gotta leave this thread sorry
>>342083721
I still play V because my locals do. If other games were an option for them, I would feel exactly like you do.
>>342083838
Again, are you really this fucking stupid?
They already said the characters would be free until the shop system worked. And they're keeping fight money as well. I literally have enough fight money for all of the season 1 and season 2 characters.
>>342084081
Personally, I'm out of the genre until KoF14 lands.
I still can't believe I'm more excited for a PS2 game than I am a mainline SF.
>>342084012
>im so embarrassed for you guys -_- *hides $800 receipt for Melee and Smash 4*
>>342083582
The other big thing was that for a few days the online play was extremely shitty. It was two days of server issues, but when that's all the game had to offer it left an extremely damning first impression.
>>342084371
All it did really was prove that Harada was smarter than Ono and that, even if it gives the Nips a competitive edge, a fighting game really needs a 1 year beta in arcades.
That being said the first year of competitive fighting games is always bullshit and insane. Vanilla SF4 was rush down reversal nonsense until year 2.
>>342084512
Harada has always been smarter than ono. Thats why he whooped his ass in the promo commericals.
>>342084512
But anon, every other thread said that Vanilla SF4 was nothing but Fireballs and uppercuts.
>>342084371
See to me online is fun and should be a major component. But online isn't going to be around forever. I can boot up any old KOF any old SF whatever if I feel like having some fun and it's pretty much as good as the day it came out.
When the next game comes out and all the online players move onto the next thing whats gonna be left for SF5?
>>342084757
DPs were an extension of footsies back then. What a strange time.
>>342084512
People have really short term memories.
>>342072938
NO SAKURA NO BUY.
>>342084763
That's actually what people are saying happened with V when Overwatch dropped. At least by people, I mean Arturo Sanchez.
>>342075123
Not compared to a fighting game.
its their fault for making it ps4 exclusive
>>342085168
But they needed the money or the game would never be made!Definitely doesn't have anything to do with poorly managing all that money they're raking in from MH.
>>342074732
They buffed fucking Zero while my girl got absolutely nothing.
How do I get good at Birdie?
>>342085339>Definitely doesn't have anything to do with poorly managing all that money they're raking in from MH.
How do yo-
>Capcom
Oh.
>>342085401
Why your girl was in the game in the first place is a bigger problem.
>>342081713
It's like different top players in the FGC throughout the decades have preferred different games or something.
'09er confirmed
>>342074645
This is SFV. Where all your nightmares will come true.
>>342082768
Casuals only carry first month sales it's not like they stick with the game
>>342085557
Seriously tho I don't know why they made her so shit, she already had all the tools in VampSav to be at least a mid tier character but they for some reason thought toning her down for FUCKING MARVEL THE GAME WHERE THEY DIAL SHIT UP TO 11 was a good idea.
>>342077928
It is still alive-ish in Japan. Check TheShend of the 3RDSTRIKE channel on Youtube. A LOT of Makotos nowadays, and the best player is typically held to be Tominaga
That 3S remained as an official SBO game until the very last SBO despite being released in 1999 is by itself pretty fucking impressive
>>342085659
MKX is a really clear example of this. It was praised unanimously by the casuals and the press but it's tournament numbers tanked after the honeymoon period.
>>342085481
V-Skill to condition your opponent and rack up trigger so you can enter gorilla mode. Birdie has amazing buttons too. Random ex dolphin dive once in a while because >8frames.
Watch Genius/Crusher/Alucard. Alternatively switch/sub Necalli because this game rewards more aggressive in your face play.
>>342085659
>Casuals only carry first month sales
so just the ones that matter
>>342085698
>Best player is typically held to be Tominaga
I love the guy, but what the hell are you talking about
Best player is either Nuki or Kurodawhen he's not playing bad characters
>>342086130
I don't think Kuroda plays regularly anymore. OR Nuki
Tominaga has remained faithful to 3S and has leveled up tremendously (he was already top 20-ish back in the day). He's an execution wizard with Makoto and 100%ing from karakusa
>>342085654
quality character rigging
>>342086240
He still loses pretty consistently to Mimora
If you want to go off success in the ranking battles, the best would probably be Mochi
>>342083052
input delay wasn't for casuals
input delay was for online warriors so they could have a long buffer like Namco fighters.
>>342086130
Does DirtyMusic still play?
>literally who Oro player nobody even knows
>wrecking Kuroda at his prime with the machine set to 5 rounds, even getting perfects more than once on the same set
>Kuroda mysteriously goes on an Oro main phase before he kinda fucks off 3S
Wouldn't surprise me if it was inspired by Dirty's Oro
>>342086462
I am an online warrior and I don't want to play SF5 with 8 frames of delay + online delay when I can just go play something on GGPO and have 1 frame of input delay.
Capcom still appears to be misguided on how to make their netcode appealing.
>>342085905
Say I wanted to go to a Weekly 6 days from now. Which 2 Bnbs will get me the most mileage?
>>342075924
>specializes both genders
What the fuck
>>342075924
>Specializes both genders
Explain you memeing fuck
>>342072938
I think that 2D fighters are just over and that they aren't meant to work with all their stupid mechanics.
>>342086904
cr.lk>st.lk>lp.bull head is pretty much all you need. If you have meter and trigger you can just do ex bull head and trigger cancel off the first hit to make it safe/followup. For CC punish just do st.hk into cr.mp xx bull head/horn depending on if you have super/trigger cancel.
Why do SF threads always start with bait these days?
>>342088096
It's the new Monster Hunter thread, except sometimes it is valid criticism.
>officially dead
>link doesn't say that
>biggest fighter by a mile
>>342088318
SFV has an army of dedicated shitposters. There is an agenda behind the scenes.
>mfw this entire practice of "let's release a broken, barebones game for full price and just patch in fixes over the next year or two before dropping support" in modern vidya is the fault of PCucks and Steam because console developers are now realizing the retards on PC still buy this shit when they put no effort in so surely console players will as well
>>342088375
All fighting games have an army of shitposters. It's just salty players that never got any good at a fighting game so they have to justify their ineptitude by shitposting.
>>342088595
I'm pretty good at a couple fighting games.
SF5 is still shit.
>>342075747
For me its just not as fun as 3 or 4.
I appreciate a lot of the bullshit that they tried to fix like option selects, 1 framers, ridiculous invincibility on 3 frame meterless moves, but they got rid of a lot of the fun as well.
Not having to do 1 frame links all the time is nice but they also took away cool juggles.
The game is faster but neutral just feels so empty compared to 4
>>342085956
It's about how much money you can get out of whales in the long term now, look at DoA5
5 $90 season passes and people actually buy them
Anyone who dislikes sfv is just low test
>>342072938
>Does Capcom actually expect people to buy this game just because of story mode?+ 0 post omitted.
It's the #1 reason people bashed SFV for.
No, of course nobody's going to buy it, the novelty is gone already and SFV is forever branded as a "bad game".
>>342089953
>small peek of midriff
>that hips
Holy fuck, these two sluts
>>342089953
>that slight hint of midriff
Well done miss Kanzuki
>>342079801
>>342080084
>>342080064
>>342079967
>>342080228
keep defending it all you want, 8 frames are inexcusable for a fighting game, you wouldn't know since SFV is your first one
there's no "adaptation" to be had here, the game has much larger input delay than every other notable fighting game in existence, making it hella clunky and extremely unresponsive
>Most people seem to ignore that most games have native 3-5f input delay
3 frames of input delay is the absolute minimum you can achieve with modern tech
skullgirls has 3 frames, mortal kombat has 3 frames, even 3rd Strike has 3 frames on the original systems, the emulated X360 version has huge input delay that people have been complaining about ever since it came out
for a fighting game every frame counts, MORESO than any other genre, YOU might not operate on a level that makes them count but others do
there's a huge difference between 3, 5 and 8 frames especially in a game with fucking 3f jabsand before you start foaming at the mouth and mindlessly post another uninformed opinion of yours because I'm apparently bashing your favorite fighting game:
SFV is still fun to me, but I realize its faults and it's no fun to try and play it at a high level
>>342090110
>>342090461
Here's some real thicc with midriff!
>>342082986First time I've ever seen anyone on 4chan have the same fetish I do. it's nice to see that
If the game had more than "autofootsies into unga bunga guessing situations" than it might be more fun to play.
>>342090618
>than every other notable fighting game in existence
Tekken has 10f delay with even more start up frames, you fucking faggot.
>>342091428
>and before you start foaming at the mouth and mindlessly post another uninformed opinion of yours because I'm apparently bashing your favorite fighting game:
tekken never went higher than 7f which is also a very shitty amount
>>342074753
I don't think that is Bengus, because they made a big deal of him coming back to draw arcade mode.
>>342091428
Tag 2 had 6 in a game where a move was "fast" because it was a 10 frame move.
>>342074487
Quick googling says artist to by the name Kiki.
>>342091809
Tag 2 goes up to 8. And SFV is 7,3, not 8. So why are you being such a bitch about specific number while also attempting to make SFV's numbers seem higher?
>the game has much larger input delay than every other notable fighting game in existenc
This is literally what you said while ignoring that Tekken is the next big fighting game next to SF. Not to mention that Tekken has even more start up frames making le reaction game even worse. But you convienently forgot to mention this in your OMG I AM THE GREATEST SF FAN TRUST ME.
If it bothers you that much, play on fucking PC with vsync off and you get 5f delay which is about genre standard.
>>342092152
>And SFV is 7,3, not 8.
shows how much you know
there's no 7.3rd frame, the move comes out on the 8th frame
>SFV is forced to be a rushdown game because of 8f lag not allowing proper reactions
>The whole game isn't built around that, no interesting defensive options
Why not just play games based around that in the first place then? Anime fighters are about offensive too, but instead of 8f lag everything is actually fast as fuck. If you're a god you can do amazing shit on defense. You also have much more options on defensive and offensive.
>>342092378
Please stop acting like you even know what those words mean. people just say 8 frames as they are rounding up and it is easier than always writing 7.3
>This isn’t the first we’ve heard of the issue, as a recent lag test video courtesy of Display Lag confirmed that the title clocks in at about 122ms/7.3 frames on a 60hz television screen
http://shoryuken.com/2016/05/09/street-fighter-v-players-express-concern-over-playstation-4s-offline-input-latency/
>>342092530
you're a complete idiot
there is no 7.3rd frame, the game processes the move on the very next frame which is frame 8
>tfw enjoy playing reactively and defensively
>tfw 8 frames, shit anti-airs, shit projectiles and shit pokes: the game
>>342092663
No it doesn't you tard, it averages 7.3 meaning it is more likely to come out on frame 7 but the exact frame varies. Stop pretending you even begin to understand this, and before you start screaming it is inconsistent that is also normal
But yeah lets take some idiot on /v/'s opinion over display
>>342092931
>it averages 7.3 meaning
jesus, you actually are an idiot
if it AVERAGES 7.3 that means MOST OF THE TIME it's 7.3 which means MOST OF THE TIME it will be rounded up to frame 8 because there is no 7.3rd frame
did you get that in your head yet you drooling retard?
>>342072938
>over 5000 entrants at evo
>healthy competitive scene
>capcom pushes its capcom cups
>people still complain about it being bad
Hate to break it for you but sfv is alive and won't die for a good while. I hope that the story mode will bring a new wave of players into game.
>>342093115
nigga u dum
If you average 7's and 8's then it's below 7.5 it means more 7's happens, if it's above then more 8's
>>342093197
>then
and* too high fo dis shit
>>342093197
fucking american
>>342093115
> MOST OF THE TIME
No, that means it is under that and sometimes over
if a sequence of numbers is 5 and 7, the average is 6 but it is never actually 6
If one wants to get into fighting games and wants to play on PC. What choices are there? Anything to look forward to?
>>342093356
Tekken 7: FR announced to be hitting steam at E3.
>>342093356
SFV is the only alive one
MKX never got an update
People moved on from xrd
Fightcade has all the old games but it is either spics who are god like or begging for games
>>342093412
*in 6 months at best
>>342093289
no nig u dum
I dont care about ur sciene and shiet, this is pure logic. There's no most of the time 7.3 bcuz 7.3 never happns, which means most of the time it must be below 8
>>342093469
Yeah, that was for his "look forward to" category. He can look forward to hit for the foreseeable year.
>>342080785
Actually they'll still be on schedule going forward because June didn't have a character drop. If they run into another delay though that'll be a problem
>>342093423
Im really shit at street fighter but finding out about the 8 frames in SFV just makes me not want to play the game. Especially with all the shit around it.
>>342093719
>Im really shit at street fighter
then you probably don't even really understand the whole 8 frames deal. It does not make the game broken or anything it just means you have to play differently
Ricki said it best
https://twitter.com/HelloKittyRicki/status/741917542470451200
>Especially with all the shit around it.
You mean shitposting, it is by far the most popular fighting game right now
>>342093719
Considering the backlash from the FGC about 8F it'll be fixed after Capcom Cup.
The servers still hiccup but it's been getting better and the base game is still fun. People have short term memories as pointed out earlier in the thread and always forget how wonky the first real year of a Street Fighter is.
Rush down DP spam just works because it's year 1.
>>342093934
Ricki actually looks passable these days
>>342093356
Skullgirls
Guilty Gear
many more on Fightcade
>>342081352
This senpai I only ever see Ryu and Ken online here in Oceania
(I play Karin but i'm looking to try Mika and Juri)
>>342093719
Look, Ricky has been doing just as well as Rog or Snake. Meaning they haven't won shit. The 8 frames are a little jarring and do limit just what kind of play is viable. However, it is still SF at it's core so it isn't hard to pick up or have fun with.
Thought I'd give a 2nd opinion.
>>342094019
is there a street fighter on fightcade which has alot active competition?
>>342081352
So you mean half the cast gets tournament play. You do realize that's a fucking great thing right? As opposed to USF4 that had 5 characters out of 44 getting most of the play, or 3rd Strike that had 2 characters getting most of the play.
>>342094491
3s/Turbo have
>>342072938
Those art look so ugly,i wish the artist realize that,the art in sf4 look so much better.
>>342094012
I want Ricky to dicky Mike Ross.
>>342094603
3s
has like 10 players online right now.
>>342081352
What 8 characters? I can only think of like 5 or 6
Ryu
Nash
Mika
Ken
Karin
Guile maybe
I never see anyone else
>>342094491
No game on there is really active, and any that has people playing will stomp you so hard you'll struggle to learn anything
>>342094526
Ultra had great diversity.
You should've gone with vanilla, but vanilla still did pretty okay:
Rog
Ryu
Sagat
Akuma
Rufus
Sagat was just one of the best and Ryu was one of the most played. Most Asians played Akuma.
>>342094742
Necalli shows up all the time. Are you stupid?
>>342094749
Not to mention that a ton of those games have gamebreaking shit that players will exploit due to having access and knowledge of a game for 10+ years.
>>342093356
KI is the best choice if you want something that isn't dead like Skullgirls
>>342094725
bad timing
welcome to fighting games online
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czQjiUjjbMU
>Top 10 Saddest Deaths In Video Game History
>>342094816
Ultra did not have great variety in tournament play. You had to watch pools to even see some people play other characters.
>>342078215
compared to 3rd strike and even SSF4
SfV lacks depth.
>>342094742
This chart is months old and it still shows the only one not getting represented is Rashid
>>342094817
We had 2 in top 8 yesterday and one of them won, people really don't pay attention
>>342094946
Every time someone says SFV lacks depth another pro does some crazy bullshit in a tournament. It never fails.
>>342094817
Nigga I NEVER see Necalli online, I have maybe fought 3 or 4 Necallis total in Ranked, but there may be more in Lounges. I don't do Lounges much
>>342093934
>>342093939
>>342094130
So will the 8 frames of lag eventually be changed? Was SFIV as rough around the edges at launch as SFV is now?
>>342094967
>all those people who begged alex
I hope Urien's going to be more well received.
>>342095123
whats your rank?
>>342095178
Super Silver, 3200 LP
>>342081352
>Why the fuck is Tekken 7 coming out NEXT FUCKING YEAR?
Harada wants to give his boy Ono an extra chance.
Because FR is coming out this July in arcades and Bamco wants to ride them till the end.
>>342095137
We don't know, and it doesn't mater if it doesn't
>Was SFIV as rough around the edges at launch as SFV is now?
Yeah that game was kind of a mess, people didn't really figure out how to play 4 until super/ae
>>342095137
Vanilla SF4 was way worse. Jesus fuck was it bad the first six months of console.
Real talk though the guy originally complaining about 8F also said he's shit at street fighter which means the 8F would have never affected him. It literally only hurts reaction players at the top level.
So is sakura going to release any time soon?
No sakurayu no buyu
>>342095192
you should be seeing more necallis if its putting you vs higher players, maybe theres just less necallis playing in your area
>>342095167
Alex is actually getting a lot of play now, I think Infiltration even won some korean tournament with him. Got second at least
>>342072938
NO SAKURA NO BUY
>>342095293
Good. Sakurafags are the worst people in existence and should never be happy.
people bitched because capcom had the gall to release a shity early access beta for full price while their competitors offer complete releases on day one.
this game deserves to burn.
and burn it shall.
we casuals will buy the game used for 15 bucks once story mode is out.
fuck capcom.
>>342095313
Thing is, I don't meet a lot of players at or above Silver, I'm not sure if it's just my area, or the time I get on, but I usually get 0-1000 lp Ryus/Nash's and about 1 or 2 Silvers. Most of the Goldies I've met mostly play Karin or Nash.
>>342095332
>>342095293
Ibuki > Sakura
>>342094921
It's amazing to me that this is the most popular fighting game on Steam. The second most popular doesn't even have half these numbers
>>342095293
Looks like you never buy.
>>342095498
Nothing wrong with that. Wont miss it with only 0 interest.
>>342095653
Well they put Juri and Urien so I had to buy, fuck.
>>342095447
It's been said before and it needs to be said again.
PC players don't play fighting games.
>>342092675
>tfw have to play like chis.g to make guile work because can't play reactively anymore or zone with fireballs.
>>342095447
Steam is where fightans go to die, posers on PC play them for about a week and then drop em
>let's rush out a game just for the evofags
>what can go wrong
>>342095241
>>342095271
Im guessing the 8 frame thing makes a defensive playstyle worse, how does it affect the game?
>>342095956
It could have been worse. They could have decided to go after the casual journalists that only want to watch cutscenes and have the game play itself.
>>342096047
basically it makes footsies harder because you can't whiff punish reliably and it makes anti air's harder because you can't react on the spot, forcing you most of the time to use anti air jabs.
Defensive playstyles get the shaft because >can't footsies and >can't anti air
It's not a problem if you already pre-planned literally everything your opponent is going to do
>>342093934
https://twitter.com/HelloKittyRicki/status/736120011031490560
what did she mean by this?
>>342095137
It might, but that's not likely. They've come out and said it was by-design.
No, SF4 wasn't that rough at launch. It's mostly something people say as damage control. It had some issues, of course. Super added characters and lowered damage primarily. The really strong characters got some minor tweaks. Sagat got hard nerfed but always remained viable.
>>342075747
>Game has been "simplified for a wider audience" aka casuals who just want to mash buttons
>Slow as shit movement and walk speed
>Huge floaty jumps with next to no horizontal range
>Tiny ranged normal's
>Tiny hitboxes on everything
>Normal's have a shitty priority system
>Throws are slow as shit with no range
>Links are gone and combos are now mashable
>Huge buffer window
>No close standing attacks
>No neutral jump attacks
>Dizzy making people fall out of combos
>Game is full of comeback mechanics desinged to "lower the effectivness of player skill"
>Only super can chip kill
>V-Trigger a huge universal buff you get as a rewarded for losing
>V-Reverasl a get out of jail free you are rewarded with for losing
>Receve less damage the less health you have
>Worst roster in a street fighter game to date fan favorites replaced with characters no one wanted like birdie and rmika
>Risk/Reward is skewed due to high damage from jump ins yet pitifully low damage on anti airs and how you can no longer get large damage punishes from a jab
>Huge amounts input lag
>Constant fps loss on ps4 and high end PC's
>Random input drops
>Dumbed down mechanics
>Top players already saying the game is casual garbage
>P2W
>Game literally released in an unfinished state
>Online doesn't work correctly
>No punishment for rage quitters
>lobbies that dont even work most of the time with no flags or ping
>error 40002
>8 frames of input delay
>>342094921
>steam
who cares. No one plays fighting games on PC anyway.
Harada asked if people want PC-PS4 crossplay in Tekken 7 and community soundly answered "no".
If you want to play fighting games, buy a PS4.
>>342096285
You forgot the image, shitpost-kun.
>>342096234
*he
>>342096047
Get better at making reads instead of pure reaction. You can still play defensively but you have to understand the flow of the opponent more than relying on your own reactions to something.
>>342096301
uhhh the only reason they made a PC port was because the community answered yes on their survey
>>342072938
Is there vs. CPU yet?
>>342096437
Community answered yes on PC version. Harada asked about crossplay on E3 and Wizzard world, people said no. Visit TZ, no one wants PC players. Xbox-PS crossplay is welcome.
>>342096285
Still better than SFIV
>>342096514
not yet, there will be in the June update
>>342096514
That comes at the end of the month
>>342096047
Fighting games floated around 3-5 frames of input lag for a long time. 8 is honestly way higher than is usually even deemed acceptable. And SF, especially V, is a game of fast moves. It's very tough to respond to your opponents decisions. So, the already offensive favored V promotes even more rushdown and preemptive action.
Infiltration is one of the best players of V. Look up some of his recent Alex exploits. He presses absurd amounts of cr jab and cr strong at very long ranges. That's to snuff dashes and convince the opponent to stand still. If this were still 4, he wouldn't do a even fraction of them for fear of whiffpunish and he could react to a dash with a punish.
>>342079919
DELETE THIS
>>342096325
Respect her pronouns, Cis-scum.
>>342094938
Yes it did.
StormKubo was playing Hugo and making it far across Asia.
Keoma and Strider made it to Capcom cup with Abel.
Haitani was winning with the newly-buffed Makoto.
There was the age of Fuerte's at every top eight for a little while.
Then all the other guys were still playing their mains + counter picks.
That means:
Sagat
Rufus
Rose
Adon
Elena
Fei
Cammy
Decapre
Chun
Bison.
Ken
Zangief
26 characters were used across the first 4 CPT events of Ultra.
One
>>342095829
PC players didn't have much choice in the matter for a long while after 90s, of course it'll take a while to win them back
>>342095350
Incorrect. It's literally impossible to be worse than an Ingridfag.
>>342096892
The fact that you didn't even mention E.Ryu already shows you're a fucking liar.
>>342095137
4 really wasn't as rough as people want to say it was. This was from just a couple months in the arcade, from what I recall. All solid ass spacing and stellar footsies. Now, it's gonna look really boring to the uninitiated.
https://youtu.be/zti53YuQcTE
>>342079801
>>342080228
>>342080228
>8f may sound like a lot, but it's not that much of a jump that makes the game unplayable.
not unplayable, but it shifts the balance in favor of offense. jump-ins and dashes become more powerful because reacting to them in time becomes more difficult. the higher the input delay, the more the game relies on prediction and anticipation instead of reaction.
>>342096998
Oh wow, I forgot one in a massive list of characters who had rep. You could also just fucking google search it like I did.
I also forgot Akuma and Gen. It has great balance and had great competitive diversity.
>>342085654
whats goin on in the background?
>>342097246
EIGHT!
>>342097309
Eight frames of input lag
Ah-Ah-Ahhhhh
>>342094938
This is bait
>>342094938
Ultra had great character variety and balance, which is impressive given how many characters they had.
>>342097124
Also Ken and fucking Rolento. And that time Kitasenju made top 8 at that Ultra Hyakkishu with DJ.
>>342096892
Forgot Poison, Ken, and Rolento
>>342097887
Damn, I did forget all about Poison.
>>342097962
Oh, and T. Hawk and Sakura.
>>342098013
Oh fuck, how did I forget Guile though?
>>342098051
Fuck, I forgot too. You also forgot Ryu, Guy, and Cody.
>>342075569
its not EA, its 'full' price game sold as EA.
>>342098146
Oh yeah, BJ did really well somewhere and bopped BonChan with Cody. I can't remember what Guy players did well. Didn't AiAi's Juri almost take an event as well?
>>342094967
>can't wait for valle rocking rashid at evo
>infiltration rocking guile
Im fucking hyped for CEO and Evo
>>342098212
Marq Teddy and Big Bird placed top 8 a few times with Guy. Were there any Blanka's that did well? I'm having trouble thinking of anybody else, everybody is so viable.
>>342098382
Poongko was still blowing minds with Seth. CastBlanka made it really far at an event, but I don't think it was top 8 or if it was it wasn't a major event.
I don't give a shit about the story mode desu
but the loading times are unforgivable
SFV wastes so much time on loading and transitioning.
>>342098636
Sako got top 8 at EVO with Ibuki and Pugera Top 16. Also forgot Yun, somehow. And FChamp's Sim. And C.Viper
>>342098720
this
i spend more time looking at fucking loading screens and transitions than actually playing.
that shit is infuriating.
also
>win/lose match
>have to watch lengthy character outro
>have to watch endless stats and point allocation screen
this is annoying as fuck. the game is wasting my time left and right.
>>342098865
Mago's Yang, we forgot that too. We're running out of cast.
>>342099114
Salesman's Hakan placed Top 8 at ECT, and of course how could anyone forget Smug's Dudley. I think that's everyone except for Dan that has placed in a tourney. Holy shit.
>>342099289
no no wait Sanford Kelly's Oni placed Top 8 at TSC, NOW it's everyone except Dan.
>>342099289
Well, I can't think of any Hondas or Goukens. Zeus beat KBrad with Vega to win a tournament in AE.
>>342099357
I was gonna say Oni hadn't, but I forgot Sanford used Oni to get to that top eight.
>>342075353
>>342075787
In the year 2016, you cannot release a fighting game without an arcade mode.
And no, preemptively warning someone that you're about to kick them in the nuts does not mean that the recipient doesn't have the right to beat the shit outta you for doing so.
>>342099525
Farthest I've seen Honda get in USF4 is Top 32 at Apex. Infiltration played Gouken to top 8 at TGS 2015
>>342099707
Yeah, so Dan.
>>342099707
Found a Honda, Canada Cup 2015 a Honda made Top 8
>>342097363
lol
Why does SFV have so many dedicated shitposters that don't even own the game?
>>342099795
Ixion made top 8 at DHW13, so that's everybody.
>>342099879
because its always cool to shit on capcom games.
>>342099923
He really made top 8? I really didn't remember that one. Alright, well done.
>>342099879
Because casuals like to complain
>>342099879
Because Tortanic mentality
/v/ would rather see a game fail than succeed
>>342099648
But if they warn, why would you still let them do it instead of moving out of the way. If you weren't happy about the release content and you still bought it you are a massive regard and deserve the nut kick. You could have dodged instead you spread your legs like a slut and let Capcom rail you in the nads, you fucking inbred. Then complain about it like you didn't get the warning.
>>342100045
With sales like it got, it seems like plenty of people decided to get out of the way.
>>342099996
Still, pretty cool that literally every character in the game made Top 8 a t least once
>Build a giant lineage of characters since the 80s
>lol here's 16 pls buy
>>342100045
Again, it still doesn't excuse them for doing so when they could've just as easily not and avoided the issue entirely.
Think about it, there are indie fighting games, made by people with less talent, less experience, and less reputation who still include something resembling an arcade mode yet one of the forefathers of modern fighting games thinks it's too good for it now?
Give me a fucking break.
>>342100209
They had to figure out how to balance those characters first, then add them in later, it's been like this since SF2
>>342100156
SF4 is such a fantastic series. It's a shame people like Gootecks and Combo resorted to advertising V against 4. Now you can't talk about one without someone getting asshurt about the other. I guess I understand though. V came out right after Ultra, so you gotta convince the folks that never played a 4 that V would be worth it.
>>342100358
I dunno about "fantastic" Vanilla was traditionally shit like every Street Fighter vanilla, Super was great, but AE was shit. Ultra was a fantastic game though
>>342100358
I guess people like to forget how shit iv was at the beginning
>>342100457
>>342100484
Vanilla was not shit. I don't care how many tweets Art makes about the first of every SF being bad.
Now AE was pretty damn bad, but that was primarily odd balance decisions. The unblockables were always possible but had just then been discovered. It's not entirely an issue with AE but rather a problem no one ever realized existed.
Ultra is stellar.
>>342095080
lmao
>>342100647
Almost every vanilla SF has had shit balance or weird broken shit in it, because it's the 1st entry.
I believe in harada.
>>342100901
harada is a cool guy but tekken is nothing more than a button mashing game for casuals
>>342075924
>Specializes both genders
wut?
>>342078029
I still can't fathom why people shy away from ggpo, do they think they can do better? Because it's clear they fucking can't. Even the console release of xrd has a better net code
>>342081068
>Whites in the UK: 40k
>Whites in the US: 160k
But much percentages!
Nice game,losers.
>>342078949
To be fair that's beating Arcade Mode on Medium or higher with Rolento without continuing.
The achievement for just beating Arcade Mode on Medium is at 10 or 11% globally
>>342103138
don't you count Mexicans as White though?
>>342103179
when did sasuke get his arm back
and like 5 belts
>people talking about fighting games
>don't actually play fighting games
>learn about the game on twitch and twitch chat
every fucking tile
>>342079126
>intentional
Its not, Capcom basically confirmed that it wasn't when after they delayed the Ibuki update and started becoming for upfront with info.
They are currently looking into the issue
>>342072938
>fight scene has always been pro xbox(brothas, vatos and wiggers)
>release your next title exclusive to the ps4/pc
>mfw
honestly, they were better off releasing it for the ps3 and 360.
>>342080131
>Guilty Gear Xrd Revelator
>Street Fighter V
>Injustice 2
>Killer Instinct
>King of Fighter XIV
>Blazblue Central Fiction
>Tekken 7
Sure is a dead genre in here isn't it. Not like we have at least 7 big name fighting games fighting games on the way or still being updated.
Truly it is the early-mid 2000s again with this severe fighting game drought
>>342077981
Or, you know, get 26 characters for $50. And a dev team that actually sticks to their release schedule.
Don't know why it's so damn hard for Capcom when a barely-above-indie studio like IG can do it.
>>342080785
They weren't releasing characters in order, people just stupidly assumed that they were. Also June didn't have a character, only Story Mode. Which is still coming out in June.
So they are still on schedule
>>342081152
She works as a gym teacher now. She just fights in her schoolgirl uniform because its what she learned to fight in growing up
I guess people here don't know of Pokken DLC too
>>342103719
They confirmed it was intentional during a Topanga stream. We still don't know the reason for adding said additional input lag, but it may have to do with something about V-sync on consoles (you can disable it on PC and make it more tolerable)
>>342082768
>Capcom ignored the casuals and got wrecked for it.
Holy shit you are retarded.
They did the exact opposite and tried to pander TO casuals and as a resault the game became unfinished mess with lacking content
The "hardcore FGC" boggy man that you talk about is also the only thing keeping the game alive, while MKX with like 3 million sales is already completly fucking dead.
Get your head out of your ass son
>>342093356
SFV, KI, Tekken 7
Blazblue CF and GGXrd Revelator will probably be coming eventually as well.
Fightcade. Also maybe skullgirls
>>342088568
It's a matter of consoles having hard drives in every box and console producers easing up their restrictions on game patches. You couldn't get away with huge patches on the previous generation, as Microsoft didn't include substantial storage in every Xbox 360, and was incredibly restrictive in how often and how large patches could be.
So is the SF scene still growing or has V fucked everything up on the competitive side too?
>>342106391
Nah, for some reason SFV is still breaking entry records at big events, especially EVO. FGC kiddies just foam at the mouth for SF, without realizing there are better games they could be playing.
>we must rush this game for the FGC!
>this game is designed for casual players that want to find the game more accessible!
I keep hearing these two excuses everytime I enter a SFV thread, which one is true? Which part of /v/ is lying to me?
>>342106812
It's both, why wouldn't it be both?
>>342106881
Don't lie to me, they can't both be true, why would they make a game for the FGC accessible for casual players? Or if they wanted it for casual players, why not take their time and put in things that they know casual players enjoy playing instead of just online and survival? If it was the latter the problem of rushing it for EVO also wouldn't exist.
>>342107032
the problem is that's actually both, that's why this has happened
>>342107148
To be more specific and slightly less confusing, Capcom tried to do both at the same time, and thus succeeded at neither.
>>342106812
It made the game easier and less demanding for the casuals.
Then they released it, half-finished so that it could be out in time for the tournyfags.
So in all, the game became too casualized as fuck for the FGCucks and the casuals were turned off by the lack of any strong SP modes.
>>342106812
They rushed it so they could have a full season with SFV.
The casual shit is just bait because they gave it a 3F buffer instead of going for 1F links. That's pretty much the only thing they did to make SFV less "hardcore."
And the people that can't even do 1F links consistently started whining about depth.
>>342074487
What's wrong with it? He used the two light source shading style Capcom started using in SF3.
>>342075353
The problem is that they somehow got the notion they were above making fully featured games. People aren't buying it and it gets shit on more than praised by EVERYONE. So what they need to do is buck up and fucking finish the game properly. Not do this bullshit and then try and play victim.
>>342109402
People that bitched don't even play fighting games though. They couldn't make a single coherent argument that didn't default to, "MUH STORY MODE."
EIGHT FRAMES
OF
INPUT LAG
When you pander to tourneyfags you get exactly what you deserve.
The game just feels rushed
>>342110001
People say that 8 frames isn't a problem. When you push a button and your character noticably takes time to react to it, then it's a fucking problem.
For those people, when does it become unacceptable? What if you push a button and it takes 0.5 seconds to react? 1 second? 10? Suddenly it's a problem.
I understand that there can be a place for input lag, but if it's noticable, there's a fucking issue.
>>342072938
Well I refused to buy it when I found out there is no story because I wasn't going to pay for something cheaply made throwing out the excuse 'n-nobody plays vs cup anyway'
Playing the cpu is how normal people have fun the average player doesn't want to be forced to play with autists who put 30 hours a week into the game and can kill them in one juggle
You can scream about 'high skill ceiling', 'casuals' and 'get good' all you want but these are the facts, if you're not gonna invest serious time in the game you don't want to play online because everyone is 100% try hard.
Single player would have boosted sales insanely if it was in at launch, now I doubt anyone cares bad word of mouth has killed this game
>>342110704
8 frames is over 100 ms in latency, faghat. it's a big problem
>>342110043
This, they got the exact outcome that surely they predicted and wanted
Tourney fags are autistic and make up like 2% of sales
>>342110805
Did you read my post and honestly think that I was saying that it ISN'T a problem?
Of course it's a problem; that's what I'm saying!
>>342110805
Read again dumbass.
>>342111109
>Barely reads a post
>Grasps the entire opposite intention of the post as a result
>LOL tldr dude
Fucking hell, why bother replying you duckegg.
>>342072938
>still no arcade mode
Fucking retards, I swear to god. It deserves to die.
>>342110704
Yet you faggots didn't notice it until someone said something.
>>342075924
All these memes
why is it only the people who defend sf5 suck dick at usf4?
sf5 is casual garbage and anyone who actually played sf4 knows this.
>>342112136
why is it that people only play sf
because it's popular and "what people play"? bottom feeding trash?
sf4 sucks shit too, play actually good fighting games instead of hibernating in your sf caves
>>342075924
>Specializes both genders
What the hell? What does this even mean?What did he mean by this?
>>342112434
we're talking about sf in this thread, go talk about your autistic anime fighters elsewhere
>>342074732
>Announces Marvel vs Capcom 3 after 10 years
>Promise DLC characters and updates
>2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami
>DLC and updates scraped
>Instead we get "ULTIMATE" MvC3 with all planned DLC characters and a mild balance update at end of 2011
UMvC3 is untouched since then. The deal with Disney expired and Capcom can't update the game, or patch it, or even sell it digitaly.
After 2012 the overall tournament attendance starts to drop, year after year. The writing's on the wall...
>>342112434
FGC fags don't like to try new things, they just like to clutch their tattered SF/Melee binkies until the end of time
>>342072938
I mean, people buy literally every other fighting game series for the story mode, why not Street Fighter? Look at Marvel Vs. Capcom 3, which made a big deal out of Frank Tieri writing the "story" when in actuality the game was a bunch of 6 sentence arcade style endings. Personally I'm not a fan of big story modes in fighting games, it just seems like it moves the genre in the wrong direction towards bigger budgets, shutting out any smaller devs.
This artist is the shittiest Capcom "official" artist I've ever seen.
>>342112591
UMVC3 has been dead competitively since that one guy pissed off the FGC by winning EVO with Haggar, Thor & Super Skrull.
TL;DR /v/ is bad at fighting games.
>>342114326
/thread
>>342114210
You mean Hulk Sentinel and Haggar
>>342114326
fighting game threads on /v/ are always laughably bad without exception.
Reminder that the only acceptable threads to be casual on /v/ are fighting game threads.
Double if you're in a Capcom thread.
La mitad en el thread de KoF. ¡carajo! de Capcom.
>>342096560
But....that's retarded. People want xbox/PS crossplay but not PC? Sounds like console kiddies that are hating PC for the sake of hating PC. There's LITERALLY nothing wrong about finding quicker matches and having the community be as large as possible.
>>342072938
scrap it and make Darkstalkers 4
>>342116049
evidently, literally all PC players are cheaters
>>342116258
No one plays DS, lmao. It's too fast plus it's a mashfest
>>342090618
>3f is the absolute minimum
Haha even fucking smash bros melee and melty blood pc version have 1f delay
>>342116608
No they don't lmao
>>342074936
I hope this will happen and save the game
>>342105510
no its not
>>342116723
It will. Maybe they'll call it season 2. But definitely not super.
>>342116687
Yes they do.
>>342116937
1 frame delay isn't even possible on any console ever
so.. story mode next week r-right?
>>342117207
damn she could fit that in her ass i wonder if she could fit 100 dildos in there at the same time super poundin her to shit town
>>342117092
Yes it is.
This has been tested.
GOOD GUY SONY FORCING CAPCOM TO RELEASE FREE DOC
FREE DLC
GOOD GUY SONY
FREE DLC
I fucking told you this shit was just a front for unfinished game. You morons ate it up. Hook,line, and sinker
>>342116603
> too fast
I hate playing the game, I need to sit through load screens to properly enjoy fightan.
MORTAL KOMBAT
KILLER INSTINCT
SMASH BROS
POSSIBLY TEKKEN 7
Are the only things keeping fighters alive .
If you deny this, you're blind.
>>342073363
is this just scrubquotes bait?
it has to be
>>342096714
Lmao SONY rep came out and said they changes their mind and abandoned any support for she mute 3 . No one even cares about this dead ass project . Not even mentioned at E3. Backer rewards already canceled lmao.
>>342117624
You're lying man. They have like 3-5 frame delays. If it was 1 frame, the action that comes from pressing a button would feel like it happened before you pressed it. The only thing melee lacks is an input buffer
90% of people on /v/ are absolutely garbage at fighting games and don't even understand the implications of 8f delay.
Literally any fightan game thread on /v/ consists of >how do I git gud or >how do i complete xyz trials
>>342119425
You clearly have not played these games.
>>342103526
Nobody does that, unless they look spanish and that's rare in the US
>>342104039
>early-mid 2000s
>severe fighting game drought
this is bait
>>342120938
Your underage is showing
>>342121225
ok what ever you say
>>342116258
I'd love a new Darkstalkers, but not from the SFV team or Ono. Woshige a shit.
>>342121584
What's wrong with Woshige? It's actually nice to have a Capcom game with a semblance of balance for a change.
>>342075123
>pokken
>lots of moves
>>342121316
>This level of damage control while exposing yourself as being underage
topkek
>>342116603
You seem to think Savior is the only Darkstalkers game.
It's not fair that NRS gets all the sales but nobody plays them. Way to kill FGC.
Just wait for KoF14 to be released.
>>342122080
love this meme
>>342122235
This, then people can stop pretending they play kof and the few spics will stop making threads that turn into image dumps
>>342122015
Savior is the only one that matters, the first two are slow as molasses.
Anyone else hoping the LoL fighting game to completely destroy the SF franchise? I mean, Rising Thunder wasn't so much of a great game but at least the devs listened to the community and it didn't have 8f input delay for no good reason. Not to mention the netcode was godlike too since it's basically GGPO but improved. SF should die for good. The FGC would never grow any bigger with such a shitty series lading the scene.
>>342103790
PS4 is this generation's 360.
>/v/ talking about fighting games
>>342122618
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmmhAO_t0Ws
Yeah, totally slow as molasses.
>>342077521
a boss at the end and a tiny bit of story content
>>342121756
>Semblance of balance
>Homogenised piece of shit
And on top of that it's not even as balanced as Ultra.
Like damn, if you're going to make it boring to play and static then at least make it more balanced than your previous entry.
>>342123230
>And on top of that it's not even as balanced as Ultra.
>/v/ talking about fighting games
>>342123171
>playing fighting games for the story
>>342123487
when did this meme start
>>342123443
Im Ultra you had KitesenjuDJ playing arguably the worst character in the game in top 8 and winning.
In SFV one of the best American players of all time does not feel comfortable playing his character because of how shit tier he is.
And Ultra had 50 characters.
Reminder that no SF game featuring Sakura ever failed desu.
>>342123487
just telling you the difference, unhitch your drawers buddy
>Have to wait till 2017 for Tekken.
It's weird because I'm stuck in-between hopeful we won't get another SFV and pissed that it's so far away.
I still don't get why people dislike SFV. Pretty solid game.
why is 8f of input lag a good thing?
I thought in the world we live in and how technologies intention is to be smaller and faster we'd want as little input lag as possible on any device.
What purpose does it serve in SFV's design?
I dont play fighting games but would like to understand.
>>342123997
>Tekken 7 finally releases on PC
>online is shit
I'd probably kill myself desu.
>>342123893
> Wasn't even developed by Capcom
>Failure
>>342123745
>balanced
>game with 10:0 matchups like Gouken/Hugo
>game with useless characters like SF4 Dhalsim,Blanka and Honda
>game that introduced evil character who is objectively superior to the original and makes him redundant
>game that has dan in it
>game that has yun in it
>balanced
>/v/ talking about fighting games
>>342124152
Why don't you just use Google?
>>342124123
Memes.
Right now people are bitching about AAs being too good and too bad at the same time.
Its hilarious when the bandwagon cant make up their mind.
>>342124186
>Sakura locked behind DLC pay wall
This is why it failed. Also, gems.
>>342124274
This. It's the funniest shit ever.
>The game is unbalanced! Chun and Nash OP!
>No wait, the game is TOO balanced - every character plays the same!
>>342124123
Lack of content. Cookie Cutter characters. Terrible online. Lack of polish. Shitty graphics.
>>342124184
>10:0
>dhalsim, blanka, honda useless
>akuma redundant
>dan's appearance a bad thing
>yuns appearance a bad thing
>>342124506
Anybody who claims that a game that features Birdie, Chun Li, Dhalsim and Necalli at the same time is samey deserves to get shot.
People are incredibly ignorant and only parrot shit tier opinions.
>>342124184
>There should be no bad matchups ever
More like 8-2
t. Hugo player.
>Still more usable than SFV Gief and FANG
Yeah Evil Ryu is an annoying situation
>Still more usable than SFV Gief and FANG
>Still more beatable than SFV Chun
>diaper talking about fighting games
SFV homogenises characters so hard and still manages to be less balanced than Ultra's 50 character roster, it's a true feat of incompetence.
>>342072938
It's a shame because the system itself is quite good, I liked it a lot. Shame Capcom fucked it up with its greediness.
>>342124562
Thats what I get for taking a shitpost seriously.
>>342124161
Don't even pretend.
>>342124647
>>Still more usable than SFV Gief and FANG
HORSESHIT
I didnt expect that retarded SF4 dickriders would pop up after that disastrous game but here we are.
>>342124274
>>342124506
My favorite must be the 8 frames meme.
>8 frames of input delay is unacceptable! Nobody can possibly react to that!
>"Well, the delay is the same for everybody. If the game boils down to being the first person to go ham, as you say, why don't you do it?"
>...
>>342072938
Anything Sony touches turns to shit because they half-ass everything. Just look at their 'quality' exclusives 90% of which are bona fide shovelware
>>342124738
Pretend what?
Do you guys think SFV's balance will focus on tier rotation based on cpt results instead of actually focusing on pure balance?
I hope they get all this story bullshit out of the way and work on the meat of the game. SFV is really a diamond in the rough
>>342124780
>ZANGIEF LOYALIST DOESNT EVEN WANT TO USE THIS HORSESHIT CHARACTER
>>342123745
>KitesenjuDJ
No cause the game has dan in it. With enough dedication you can make any character in any game work, that doesn't mean it is balanced especially when you only see one guy playing them
USF4 balance is good and bad, you can do well with anyone but it completely depends on what match ups you get as some are incredibly bad. That is why you would see variety but that doesn't mean balance
>In SFV one of the best American players
Fuck off, Snake is good but not one of the best. Plus he has struggled with all the characters he has tried and despite that we have still seen is Gief in top 8 so you are talking complete shit. Also it isn't like your example as we have seen multiple Giefs do well
>>342124647
>>Still more beatable than SFV Chun
t. complete scrub
>>342124532
>Lack of content.
Same as 90% of fighters. Single player isn't a priority. Don't see how it's different from other multiplayer only games like Overwatch.
>Cookie Cutter characters
Same as every Street Fighter
>Terrible online
Sucked at launch, it's fine now
>Lack of polish
Disagree. Game feels fine.
>Shitty graphics
Opinion
>Caring about Arcade or Story in a fighting game.
I don't get it. Who in their right mind would buy a fighting game if they aren't playing it on the couch with friends or taking it online against other people? Who the hell does that?
>>342124928
That the online is going to be SFV level shit. You'll jinx it.
>>342124964
>Zangief loyalist failed to adapt to the latest version of his favorite character.
Never seen that one coming.
People still make it to Platinum and beyond using Zangief.
>>342124935
Most of the good characters get used a lot in tournaments, so it would kinda be the same either way.
I think people only sleep on a few like Alex, but that might just be because he launched later.
>>342125147
Considering Namco doesn't have any experience with PC, it's reasonable to assume online will be horrible.
>>342124964
>Hugo loyalist pros never existed
And Snakeeyez is just bad at SFV.
He sucks with Alex too.
>>342125148
>Online ranking
Alright that's it.
Last (You)
Top players are dropping this shitty game left and right but keep believing it's a flawless masterpiece.
>>342125238
They've had some experience. For instance that incredibly shitty Rise of Incarnates.
>>342082245
>WAAAAH MUH HARDCORE E-SPORT
sick strawman
>>342125294
>Top players are dropping this shitty game left and right
>>342125294
Like who?
>>342082768
>casualize the gameplay
>don't add the rest of the shit casuals like
>wonder why casuals don't like it
>the hardcore fans aren't jumping to defend it because it's not as deep as we'd like
>>342125294
>only tourneys matter
That's funny considering Snakey Eyez, the very player you just mentioned, used to be an online warrior, too. Never said SFV was flawless either. You seem awfully upset for some reason.
>Top players are dropping this shitty game left and right
People dropped SF4 like the hottest of potatos.
Didnt happen to any other SF game like that.
SF4 sucks.
>>342125087
90% of fighters is just online and vs mode. They have a lot more to offer. Especially as of late. Somehow SFV fucking got worst from SF4 in that regard and a story mode will still put them behind the curve.
Online was still shit for me but I haven't played since Guile released.
Lack of Polish was more about menus and select screens. Everything looks so last second and lazy.
As for graphics they look like they are made of fucking clay but your right, It's probably because I'm not a fan of the art style.
>>342124964
So so these Gief players in top 8 not count?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJZa0S_xDpM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkfJgleXHWU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AslkW4T0H4g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRcKdrRQHHs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM-njkd_g5Y
>>342123003
>tfw you'll never see Daigo play Huitzil again
>>342125580
Disagree, I've done way more single player stuff in SFV than I ever did in SF4. 4 had shit all to do, just like 5, but at least 5 has Fight Money to grind for to unlock shit.
>>342125720
>tfw you'll never see anyone play anyone from Darkstalkers ever again.
>>342125720
He did in a promotional video for Resurrection, but I think other than that he's retired.
