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>hundred years refers to the death of the last link incarnation
WW Link isn't a Link incarnation, he was a random blond boy who had the adventure thrust upon him. Its a coincidence he has the same name/hair colour
>>342042147
Nope. Ganondorf even tells you you truly are the Hero of Time reincarnated.
Also, the King gasps and apologizes in a roundabout way for thinking you were not, once Link assembles the Triforce.
>>342041051
And the master sword is somehow not stuck in Ganondorf?
My bets. Link fails timeline, Ganon rules Hyrule, Link is reborn and gets another shot hundreds of years later to stop him. Probably linked with Zelda NES somehow with its desolation.
>>342042147
Where. Where the fuck does it state that anywhere?
>>342042704
The bad guy isn't Ganon though, it's Calamity Ganon
>>342042851
The Triforce of courage is broken, so Link can't be reincarnated, its not until you fix it in WW that the cycle is fixed
>>342042704
I agree with this anon.
>Nintendo is finally making the Zelda they always wanted to
>Hundreds of years after the "Link fails" timeline, Ganon has completely taken over the world
>He has destroyed what little things the people have, hence the smashed buildings and desolate wastelands
>The robots from Skyward Sword are still around, hence all of the "tech" looking stuff
>Link is actually a robot/artificial human made from the legends of other heroes
>When we find Zelda, it'll be the crazy cyberpunk one from the original sketches
>The closer you get to the end of the game, the more futuristic shit starts to get
>>342042931
>implying it's not the same Ganon
>>342043028
and he fixes it, proving that he is in fact, the bearer of the tri force of courage. Both the King and Ganon confirm this.
Point to a article or a passage in the Hyrule Historia, or even an interview to back up your stupid headcanon.
>>342043080
>crazy cyberpunk one from the original sketches
Wat
>>342043028
the cycle has nothing to do with the triforce though. the triforce of courage went to link because he the one who was most deserving of that triforce. link doesn't even have the triforce in the beginning of OoT he only gets it when Ganon touches the full triforce and being undeserving ends up accidentally breaking it into 3 parts for 3 people since he touched it he got the triforce most in line with himself.
>>342041051
>After the wind waker
And that's where i stopped reading.
>>342043080
Sketches link?
>>342043303
Link to the past was originally supposed to have Link time travel to a futuristic Hyrule with a futuristic Zelda. This idea had always been tossed around and they always slowly Integrated some technology in small doses into the series. This game might just finally be the future tech Zelda they've been trying to make
>>342041051
>games not even out yet
>LORE SPECULATION THREAD
And people complain about Dark Souls fans.
>>342043303
>>342043579
In the original Zelda 1 designs, you were supposed to find out at the end of the game you were in a dystopian future, and the pieces of the triforce you were collecting were actually pieces of a computer part that would save mankind.
>>342041051
hurr durr it has koroks and rock salt it has to be Wind Waker durr. Wolf Link is just an amiibo it's not canon, nothing other than koroks and rock salts are relevant to the timeline right now. The old man is ganon seeking redemption durr
>>342043687
mad max bikini zelda
10/10
never going to happen but hhnnnnnggg
>>342043687
>furry Zelda
Good riddance.
>>342043670
Zelda fags are ten times as autistic and have been doing this for at least 15 years longer than Soulsfags.
>>342043687
>>342043609
Here's hoping, she's black too.
>>342041051
I think is more likely this L ink to be the Link from OoT than some of thos ecrazy theories out there
>>342041051
Where are the train tracks?
>>342044269
WANT BLACK ZELDA, NINTENDO; AND HERE'S WHY
>>342044035
never fucking ever.
>>342044035
>>342044440
While we won't get a black zelda if the sheikah's role in this game continue's to be big it's possible we could at least get another dark skin zelda who is sheikah herself similar to Tetra.
>>342042567
negative, you have that backwards. when you play a pajama profile big fish tells you you are NOT related to the hero of time
>>342045021
No he doesn't.
YOU have it backwards.
Jabun asks the King if you're the one. And the King says no.
>>342044992
Tetra was tan not dark skin. she even turns back white when she's the princess. get over it. nobody wants a darky princess. additionally zelda is from a bloodline she'll never be pure sheikah, at best you'd get sheik
>>342042704
>>342043609
Im kind of leaning towards this direction. Devs are determined to create links to the NES LoZ; the old man in the cave at the beginning, the mountains resembling the original artwork, I wouldn't be surprised if they straight up said BotW was a direct sequel to the Adventure of Link. No more fucking around with prequels, this is technically Zelda 3.
>>342042567
If Zelda sent the Hero of Time back to his childhood and thus erased him from that timeline, how was his soul there to be reborn? Did she duplicate his soul into her timeline, if so, where did it go?
>>342045854
His soul was in Ruto's womb ;^)
>>342041051
Lets be real, Zelda has lore as retarded as mgs
>>342043670
Zelda lore speculation is one of the oldest in gaming, why are you surprised? It's also based on almost 20 games instead of 4 like Souls.
>>342046057
What's retarded is the need to tie them together.
What next, tying the final fantasy together ?
>Aonouma focusing on technology and breaking conventions as the theme of this game
>Multiplayer basically gonna happen
>Wants to use the motorcycle from Mario Kart 8 DLC in a game
>implying there won't be time travel going to and from the moment Link went to sleep before Ganon rekt everyones shit to the current Hyrule we saw in the demo
>implying ayyliums won't be in this game
What if it takes place in a fourth timeline? Either another split from OoT, or splitting from Skyward Sword (which also had some time travel).
The latter is especially possible considering how many references there are to the goddess Hylia (in later games she's pretty much never mentioned, in favor of the golden goddesses), and all the references to ancient technology (which were a big theme in Skyward Sword).
The leafy koroks are actually their original form so it doesn't have to be post-WW. Ganon could have possibly formed in some other way. He is called "Calamity Ganon", that means he's somehow distinct from other forms of Ganon.
Though I'm not sure how this timeline would form.
>timeline that SS Link left behind when he traveled back to the past, where The Imprisoned escapes
>failure timeline where SS Link is defeated by Ghirahim/Demise
>>342042704
ganondorf doesn't have to resurrect in his own body, if hundreds of years ahve passed from ww there is a good chance that ganon's corpse/statue got destroyed and the master sword was almost destroyed, and anyway, in'ts no the first time the master sword was moved.
anyway, if this is actually post WW, maybe this link is OoTs adult link's body, that was preserved after his soul was sent to the past.
>>342041051
Who gives a shit about the stupid lore anyway?
>>342045854
I wouldn't call it soul, it would be more like conscience.
>>342045547
Is it confirmed that Zelda's reincarnation has to be within the Hylian Royal Bloodline?
We were on this last thread about the Sages before it archived, didn't realize we were so close.
>OoT
Raoru: Yellow/Light
Saria: Green/Forest
Darunia: Red/Fire
Ruto: Blue/Water
Impa: Purple/Shadow
Nabooru: Orange/Spirit
Zelda: White?/Goddess?
>ALttP
Red Maiden: Darunia's Descendant/Fire
Purple Maiden: Impa's Descendant/Shadow
Blue Maiden: Ruto's Descendant/Water
Green Maiden: Saria's Descendant/Forest
Yellow Maiden: Raoru's Descendant/Light
White Maiden: Nabooru's Descendant/???
>ALBW
Gully: Green/Forest (Saria's Descendant)
Impa: Purple/Shadow (Impa's Descendant)
Irene: Blue/Water (Nabooru's Descendant?)
Queen Oren: Light Red/Orangish/Spirit? (Ruto's Descendant?)
Osfala: Yellow/Light (Raoru's Descendant)
Rosso: Red/Fire (Darunia's Descendant)
Seres: Light Blue/???
So what is with the discrepancies? I understand ALttP to OoT, but not ALBW. And what is with the descendants all being Hylian in ALttP, but only 2-3 generations later diverging again at least in Queen Oren's case, I think it's quite clear Rosso is a Goron descendant.
>>342045854
She didn't erase him from that timeline, she sent him back to a completely different timeline that already contained a Soul of the Hero of Time, it didn't need another, there's no reason Future Link can't reincarnate
>>342046809
What the hell is the difference
>>342046421
It's actually really easy to do that, most of them happen in entirely different universes
>>342045021
I believe the you're not blood related to the Hero of Time, but still the next Hero incarnation.
It's there to show that unlike Zelda the role of Link isn't passed down by blood (if it was then Link and Zelda would be fairly related by now, incest issues for sure)
>>342046902
Zelda is the leader of the sages, I don't think it gives her an 'element' for lack of a better word but the thing that would make the most sense to me is Time
>>342046396
20 years of games that barely have any connection beyond what autists think is there
>>342046823
The Zeldas seem to always be blood descendants of the previous ones, so it makes sense they're always in the royal family. Unless there was a Zelda who was a bastard child or got disowned, but I doubt Nintendo would use those as plot points.
Am I the only LoZ fan who gives no shit about the lore?
Everyone has these crazy theories, but it seems pretty obvious to me that the lore is an afterthought to everyone involved in the production of the games.
Hyrule Historia was literally just made up of reworked fan theories, and the games contradict a lot of "official" stuff.
Seriously, there is no real overarching lore, the games just have lots of intertexual references to the rest of the series. Each game is its own thing.
>>342047096
No, she created the timeline. That's why the Child Timeline is called The Timeline of Wisdom.
This is how it goes.
The Hero of Time fucks with the Master Sword and causes two concurrent Hero of Times to exist, one that fails, and one that doesn't. This produces the Downfall Timeline and the Main Timeline. After the one Hero of Time succeeds, Zelda sends him back, but keeps in tact her timeline, unlike how Link utilizes the Ocarina in MM, this diverges the Main timeline into the Child and Adult Timelines.
>>342047156
because the soul has nothing to do with your memories, or your self-awareness, that's the consciousness.
>>342047726
Silent majority. Just let these autists devour themselves while you enjoy the games for their own merits.
>>342047576
Time would fit and I agree, but then we have a random 7th Sage un-accounted for suddenly in ALBW that none are related to Zelda obviously.
>>342047726
I agree the lore is typically made up on the spot, but I still love to talk about it and work it out though. I personally find it fun.
>>342047662
Fair enough, I just couldn't remember if there were ever any non-royal Zeldas
>>342047726
im right there with you
only autists pretend that there is more to it than there really is
everyone else takes each game for what it is
>>342046902
The OOT sages aren't the same sages who seal Ganon in the downfall timeline after Link is defeated. The sages who do (presumably after a long war since the OOT sages don't do it themselves) are all Hylians as depicted in the opening/manual of ALTTP, and the maidens are their descendants. If you really want to fan-wank to the max, you could think they're the same sages as the ones in TP who sealed Ganondorf in the Twilight Realm (also all Hylians). So the maidens are the descendants of those sages while the ALBW sages are the descendants of the original OOT sages.
ALIENS
>>342047797
But doesn't she send him back to the already existing Child Timeline which already contains a soul of a reincarnation, wouldn't it make sense that instead of two souls of the Hero of time to exist in one timeline and one body for her to have sent Adult Links consciousness back and set his soul free in the Main Timeline
>>342048140
The Sages in the Imprisoning War in ALttP have been retconned to be the OoT Sages, same goes for the TP Sages. They're all the same throughout every timeline.
So I looked in the archives and someone made a thread with the trailer I made (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riNqgXqGPmc) and I'd like to address a few concerns:
>Should've had a Phantom Link zoom in
There was literally only one Link close up I could find and it wasn't long enough to have the Punished Link text.it was from the polygon playthrough
>Should've had the night/day cycle
Didn't know there was a video of that and now I'm mad for not including it
>new breed of stealth not in the actual stealth part
yeaah
also this was a slapjob at 4AM, surprised it's as popular as it is alreadyI'm working on an "I'll Keep Coming" MGSV trailer as well.
no more shilling I promise
I think it's going to be a mish mash of timelines.
It would be fun to see all the wacky shit they could pull with that route, like having the minish be a thing alongside the koroks.
>People are actually stupid enough to think this takes place in the Adult Timeline
>People are actually stupid enough to think this doesn't take place in the decline timeline
>>342048083
>People who like to discuss lore that I'm not interested in must be autists
>People can't enjoy speculation or theorising in the things they like
>I'm going to go to a thread that holds no interest for me and then read it just to call them autists as soon as somebody else voices an opinion about it that I agree with
Oh hey guy, I almost didn't see you way down there on the other end of the spectrum
>>342048332
Nope, it's why the other timelines don't diverge over a "failure" too. There has to be two concurrent Hero of Times for that to work but not work for the other games, especially the other games that involve time travel, OoA, SS, and MM for instance.
The reason the Child Timeline has the Hero's Soul is because Link was sent back by Zelda, whereas he no longer exists from that point forward in the Adult Timeline that was created from him being sent back, hence no hero's soul to carry on from there, which is why the Triforce of Courage shattered and spread across Hyrule.
It just means the Hero of Time created Downfall/Main and Zelda created Child/Adult from Main, with the Adult timeline being the natural flow of time. So it just means Hero of Time and Zelda each created a split based on their actions with the Master Sword and Ocarina of Time respectively.
THE WORLDS ARE COLLIDING
>>342046483
>ayyliums
>>342046902
>So what is with the discrepancies?
It exists with OoT/WW with how the sage of the Earth (likely spirit) temple is a Zora instead of a Gerudo.
Sages are likely chosen willy nilly by the goddesses
>>342048639
An anon did it very well last thread, so much so that it can only exist in two possibilities. Timeline convergence at the end, or somewhere in between OoT and ALttP, though we have no idea how much time as passed. I know it's in the archives, probably not far back.
>>342048710
There is no lore you autist. You fags seriously think LoZ is this sprawling incredible fantasy saga on par with Tolkien when all the devs care about is making good games.
>>342041051
Link in Wild is resurrected, and had a previous adventure.
He's the Hero of Time that died to Ganon.
>2017 release
>30th anniversary of Zelda II: Adventure of Link
>not calling it Zelda III and placing it at the end of the original timeline
>>342048349
I wish I had Hyrule Historia around. I'm sure at least the TP sages are explicitly stated to be different ones.
>>342048716
That makes sense, I guess the answer then becomes that the soul of the Hero of Time just spontaneously appears when it's needed, or it's trans-dimensional
Or I guess we could just blame it on the godesses
>>342048863
But what does the White and Light Blue colors represent, and where does Spirit magically go for ALttP, but return for ALBW? I'm gonna assume Light Blue is meant to be Ice or something. Hell why is there a new 7th sage anyways?
Someone a few threads ago pointed out that the Wind Ruins in MC end up becoming the Earth Temple in WW and the Earth Temple in SS ends up becoming the Wind Temple in WW based on geography, which is kind of funny.
I JUST WANT THIS GAME TO HAVE AN INTRO JUST AS GOOD AS A LINK TO THE PAST HAD AND NO OTHER ZELDA GAME ACHIEVED SUCH THING FOR GODS SAKE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC0KIrKIEYM
>>342049108
I think it's just a matter of, since there were two Hero of Times, they come to being in both Downfall and Child, so they're split souls basically. Where as WW/PH Link and ST Link don't have the soul, they're just some random kids.
>>342048961
You take it way more seriously than I do buddy, I just like to speculate about shit, it doesn't matter if we're right or wrong or there is no right answer or whatever, the point is that talking about it can be fun, nobody is forcing you to be here
>>342048972
People are overlooking this. Link isn't reincarnated in BotW, he's brought back to life in a chamber called the Chamber of Resurrection. He must have died.
>>342048710
It's more like people are discussing a lore that doesn't even exist.
You have to go through huge leaps in logic to make the connections people make in these threads.
The games make references to other games out of fanservice, it's not DEEP WORLD BUILDING.
That's literally they the stories are interesting, because there's so much left for the imagination to fill in. There ARE no answers, the is no interconnected lore; the games are vague on purpose.
>>342049204
>But what does the White and Light Blue colors represent, and where does Spirit magically go for ALttP, but return for ALBW?
Because ALttP was made before OoT, and made before Shiggy had thought of a timeline. That's why its in ALBW which was made after Nintendo decided to make all the Zelda games connected somehow. There's not a lot of consistency in the older Zelda games because of this
>>342049043
They clearly thought about it.
>The Legend of Zelda
>The Legend of Zelda II: The Adventure of Link
>The Legend of Zelda III: The Calamity of Ganon.
>>342041051
>Windwaker sequel
Not even worth pirating. What a piece of shit.
>>342049306
WW/PH and ST Links are all legitimate Hero's of Time, dialogue from playing through WW with the pajamas doesn't mean shit because it's non-canon, canonically WW Link wore the Green Tunic
Unless there's solid proof that they don't have the soul I don't see any reason to think otherwise
>>342048716
link never travelled physically in time in OoT, it was his mind what it was sent back in time, which should means that there still was either a functional link in the adult timeline or adult link became a veggie when his consciousness was transported to the past, which could explain why link was in that pod.
>>342049438
> my opinion matters stop talking about things I don't like
>>342049605
>calling every Link "Hero of Time"
REEEEEEEEEE.
That's only OOT/MM Link (and the Hero's Shade in TP). WW/PH Link is the Hero of Winds. ST Link is uh... the Hero of Trains I guess.
>>342048384
Cringe dude, stop viralling your shit video
>>342043687
holy fuck that would be amazing
>>342049605
Only OoT link is the hero of time anon.
And there are 3 canon hero of time. Child, adult, defeated.
I think we're playing as the defeated hero of time here
>>342049778
I'm not hating on anything, you guys can discuss whatever you want. What I'm saying isn't my opinion, it's just clear to anyone looking at the facts: the is no real interconnected lore.
They just make the games, and then let fans/interns make up the connections. Which, I mean, is fine, but some people in these threads take it a step too far and it just sounds silly.
>>342043687
Source? Never heard of that
>>342049438
The Hyrule Historia actually fills in a lot of stuff which is good because (as far as I'm concerned anyway) we're not trying to actually do any DEEP WORLD BUILDING
As you said the stories are interesting because there's a lot to fill in, so what's wrong with people discussing it and filling it in together, other people think of things I never would have, ideas mesh together, it's just an enjoyable activity and I don't understand why you guys have such a problem with it
We aren't trying to say "This is what is true and you have to accept that" (again, only talking for me but I feel this is the general view) we're just speculating and having fun with it
>>342049903
fuck off
i bet you liked skyward sword
>>342049972
>They just make the games, and then let fans/interns make up the connections
Source? You seem to have a lot of insider knowledge on the series, considering all the "facts" you're throwing around
https://www.ebay.com/itm/262489567267
Yo check this out. Sick ass coin from botw
>>342049824
>>342049929
You're both right, Hero of Time is wrong I just used it to imply the connection I was trying to draw between them and the other incarnations and that they are still part of the reincarnation cycle of the Hero
It would of been better just to say the Soul of the Hero
>>342047425
Skyward Sword confirms this. The Royal family has the blood of Hylia, but Link is always a random kid. Chosen, yes, but random.
>>342049972
From all evidence we have Shiggy Diggy actually loves to do lore stuff with Zelda, he had the Hyrule Historia made and completed the timeline for fucks sake
And of course it gets silly at times, we're talking about a fucking fantasy world here (one that might very well include aliens), we're allowed to get stupid
I honestly just don't see what the problem is
I'll just ask here.
I'm playing through Hyrule Warrios, the original, and hurting for silver and gold materials like Link's Boot and Scarf. Any decent places to farm for them?
>>342050125
His ass, interviews show the idea to concept EVERY SINGLE GAME comes from Aonuma.
Miyamoto had a nice linear timeline but Aonuma decided two different games should be direct sequels to Ocarina of time, then he realized he forgot about the 2D games.
>>342050185
Also have a cool shirt up. I'm not really into Zelda but if I can answer any questions from the demos that the trailer didn't answer maybe I can help.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/262489570761
>>342050125
My source are the actual games? Having played every installment in the series, it's pretty clear that they just made the stories up to fit whatever new idea they had at the time. All the references to previous games are just fan service and little nods to people who played the previous games.
If you actually go and try to piece together all the games, you'll be left with huge holes and contradicting facts. The fact that multiple timelines had to be created just to make sense of it all is more than enough to show you that this was just made up as it went.
>>342050458
The point is that those things are after thoughts. All of the theorizing in these threads is meaningless because no one in the dev team is actually thinking about this. I'm not saying it's BAD WRONG FUN, I'm just saying that some people, like the OP's pic, go way over board.
>>342050458
>he had the Hyrule Historia made and completed the timeline for fucks sake
Just to placate the autists, it's clear they never gave a shit about a huge interconnected world building, the games came far before the 'story'
>>342044035
Fuck that
>Zelda lore
always the same shitty ancient evil plot
>>342050458
>he had the Hyrule Historia made and completed the timeline for fucks sake
Did you actually read the HH? It's like a DeviantArt's take on the Zelda universe.
There's no bigger proof that the lore was just made up as the games went than that book.
>>342041051
>Link born amongst the Sheikah
>Clearly Hylian.
Dat don't add up, bud.
>>342050853
Sometimes the lore that's most fun to piece together is lore that was never really intended to fit, it makes it more interesting and more of a challenge to find ways for it to make sense, OP's pic is probably complete crap but what matters is that it's interesting, not that it makes sense
Also
>All of the theorizing in these threads is meaningless
>All of ... ........... .. these threads .. meaningless
Fixed it for you
>>342051562
>Sometimes the lore that's most fun to piece together is lore that was never really intended to fit, it makes it more interesting and more of a challenge to find ways for it to make sense
So literally fan fiction.
Really.
>>342051106
>>342051303
I'm not disputing that the lore was made up as they went along, I'm saying that there's no problem with that, nobody is taking this shit seriously (at least I hope not) nobody is making religions or changing their life because of fucking Zelda lore
What don't you people get about it just being dumb fun
>>342049701
>link never travelled physically in time in OoT
whut
didn't link physically change the world when he went back in time?
>>342051678
Well fucking duh
We're fans, who are making up fictional lore about a fictional world
What did you fucking think this was? A creative writing class?
You don't like it then fuck off, no one is forcing you or asking you to be here
>>342050853
>The point is that those things are after thoughts.
2002 Game Pro interview
>Where does The Wind Waker fit into the overall Zelda series timeline?
>Aonuma: You can think of this game as taking place over a hundred years after Ocarina of Time. You can tell this from the opening story, and there are references to things from Ocarina located throughout the game as well.
>Miyamoto: Well, wait, which point does the hundred years start from?
>Aonuma: From the end.
>Miyamoto: No, I mean, as a child or as a...
>Aonuma: Oh, right, let me elaborate on that. Ocarina of Time basically has two endings of sorts; one has Link as a child and the other has him as an adult. This game, The Wind Waker, takes place a hundred years after the adult Link defeats Ganon at the end of Ocarina.
>Miyamoto: This is pretty confusing for us, too. (laughs) So be careful.
>>342052027
Wow, yeah, they clearly thought a lot about this.
>>342052027
yeah and? That's the setup for WW.
>>342048349
>>342049106
You're both part-right!
OoT and Downfall sages are one in the same, i.e. Saria, Darunia, etc. This is even (retroactively) referenced in Zelda II where all the town names are named in memory of the sages. Of course this means that Saria and Darunia somehow had human bloodlines succeed them which opens several uncomfortable barrels of questions, and presumably Seres from ALBW is from some kind of Hylian royal family cadet branch to pick up Zelda's sage slot or something.
The TP sages are a totally different crew though, we even see them in-game and they're those freaky glowy fucks.
>>342048384
cool
>>342041051
I made a similar thread about 2 days ago, but with correct information.
You're right that the game's a sequel to The Wind Waker, but it takes place about 100 years after it rather than "many thousands" of years.
More of the story will be revealed this year, so I don't consider this blatant spoiling. Still, I'll include tags as in my original post.Game takes place in an alternate timeline where Ganondorf touched the Triforce before King Hyrule at the end of The Wind Waker. This implies that he killed (or, at least mortally wounded) Link, but I do not know this for certain. For his wish, Ganondorf demanded that Hyrule be drained of water, thus eliminating the Great Sea.This is why the game has so many plateaus and canyons.The Link in this game is the same Link as in The Wind Waker. This is heavily implied throughout the game (I imagine even the most casual of Zelda players will realize this), though Link will not discover this until the final act.
>>342051846
The way time travel works with link in OOT is that Link pulls the master sword out and is sealed for years. As an adult, he can then put the master sword back and return to his child time. (Forgive me if I got something wrong, it's been way too long.)
He never physically travels through some sort of time portal or machine. He can physically change the world when he goes back in time because he was already physically there as a child. Adult Link isn't opening a portal in time and returning to the past to undo the future that is Ganon. He's sending his mind back to his childhood body to do the stuff necessary to help his adventure in the future. It's like someone got cryogenically frozen, and could then send their mind back in time to right before they got frozen to do other stuff. And then go and freeze themselves.
Adult Link only ever shows up again after returning to kid link because as a child, he goes back to the Temple of Time to re-remove the master sword and thus get sealed again. In doing so, this allows adult Link to come to be in the bad end future. If kid link never does that, adult Link never comes to be again in the future. Mentally, at the very least. I'd say bodily too, I'm not that other anon.
>>342048384
Looking forward to it.
>>342052692
Also, as if it weren't already obvious:The Old Man is in fact Daphnes Nohansen HyruleHe no longer considers himself "King." This should be no surprise to those who saw the ending to The Wind Waker, especially if you put into context the alternate ending in this new timeline.
>>342052692
This is actually a decent theory. Explains the Koroks, the small starting clothes, the absence of the sea.
I'm still curious about the goddess statue in the temple of time. But I wouldn't be surprised if canon was "it's always been there."
>>342048384
Metal Gear Solid is a total rip-off of Trinity Blood, right down to the music. I already knew the whole Vamp/Bis Boss revival by Nanomachines plotline in MGS4 was ripped from it, but I didn't know he was still ripping off it. If you're going to make a video go to the source material. Or better yet, don't. Funnel your creativity into something more... productive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ko9Pz6ozfVg
>>342052692
I've added a trip code. I might make a thread later tonight with more details not necessarily related to the story.
>>342041051
Holy shit, you're saying they rehashed Xenoblade X?
>>342052889
Is this backed up in the game/canon?
It makes sense as far as the story goes, but it seems like a stretch conceptually.
>>342052692
>>342053063
>I made a similar thread about 2 days ago, but with correct information.
>correct information
You're wrong, and so is everything you just said.
>Game takes place in an alternate timeline
I already came up with this myself.
>The Old Man is in fact Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule
NOPE. Pic related.
You want real info, follow me at https://twitter.com/lorebro64
Otherwise, keep trying.
>>342053789
Not him but once you fuck with time travel everything starts to seem like a stretch especially when you start going into the song of storms bullshit.
>>342043687
>pieces of the triforce you were collecting were actually pieces of a computer part that would save mankind.
Let's change the names around
>pieces of the Lifehold you were collecting were actually pieces of a big computer that would save mankind
>>342041051
bad aas man. Ancient aliens are my shit
>>342053063
Might be dorf.
See pic, they stand the same i.e. same stance. There was a good pic that someone posted comparing, but i didn't save.
>>342053814
>You want real info, follow me at https://twitter.com/lorebro64
holy shit, what has /v/ become?
>>342053789
>Is this backed up in the game/canon?
Which part? The conclusion about adult link not having a mind for his body or just plain not existing in the Adult timeline? I wouldn't know, I'm pretty sure they don't say. It's just a logical extrapolation of the gameplay.
The rest of the stuff though is simply how the game plays, to my murky memory. There's, in fact, only really one instance of actual time travel and that's when Adult Link returns to Kid Link. Otherwise, Kid Link is just locked up until he's Adult Link.
Now, I suppose something even nuttier could be going on. Adult Link could be physically returning to the past when he replaces the Master Sword, and it also just turns him into a child again. I wouldn't put that past the series. And I guess this would mean pulling out the Master Sword does the same thing in reverse, or else how could the returned Adult Link also be able to pull out the Master Sword to go back to the future if there was another Link already waiting in the past who pulled it out? I seem to recall they even directly say Link got sealed for years, not sent to the future.
Mental time travel seems to make the most sense to, and physical time travel clashes with what the game presents. Beyond that though, we're in pure extrapolation territory. Again, it's been a long time, there may be something else in the game I'm over looking or something from Historia I missed.
>>342054271
Ganondorf takes over world, spirit of demise leaves Ganondorf and claims power for himself. Ganondorf realizes he's a pawn for an ancient evil spirit. Resents his actions and instead plans to watch over the new hero to undo the evil he created.
>>342054271
!!nice!! Okay, i have an idea.
What if the evil part of ganondorf broke out of his body and escaped, manifesting itself as the the pig/dragon ganon phantom thing over the castle. The good half of ganondorf is very old, but was young when link was put to sleep. Think about lana and ____ in hyrule warriors.
>>342052146
They did. Miyamoto is talking about the ending of OoT being confusing. Which it is. If you don't understand it.
Put yourself in the shoes of the creator.
>just created the most lauded epic of all time.
>ended it on the subtlest plot-point of all time, while showing a celebratory end credits that takes place in the alternate FUTURE of the timeline that your protagonist just returned to.
>now you make a sequel, but not one from that future where the game just took place, rather from the end of the timeline that he returned to.
>now you're making another sequel, BUT wait, this one is set back in the original timeline.
Imagine explaining all this to your boss, without him having any context whatsoever about the plots of the game. Only Miyamoto would do something this crazy.
>>342052006
>We're fans, who are making up fictional lore about a fictional world
aka autism of MLP-tier proportions. Truly something to be proud of when you're so insecure in what the games present that you need to warp them into something grotesque as some kind of mental gymnastic exercise as if to justify there's more going on beyond the simple premise that you need to 'dig deep' into to TRULY understand.
>>342054739
you're a fucking douche. GTFO
>>342054537
Too much redemption for nintendo anon.
At that point reaching such enlightenment makes him a better fit for the triforce of wisdom. Which would be a real twist if he ultimately aquired it making WW Ganondorf fans jump for joy.
>>342054537
>>342054602
Yeah, that's the basic idea. It's a big leap to assume that there's a 2nd timeline from WW, but whatever. Working with dorf would be a good twist.
On the other hand, I'm not convinced that the old man isn't the king of hyrule. dorf has never been presented with a big beard afaik.
Also >>342054602 Hyrule Warriors isn't canon.
>>342054650
Maybe this is why Miyamoto wanted to get rid of the plot in Mario games, he didn't want another Zelda full of time fuckery.
Hell, the ending of Super Mario Galaxy had the whole galaxy being reset, that probably raised a bunch of red flags in Miyamoto's head.
>oh fucku nottu dissu time rine shittu again
>NO PLOT IN SUPAH MAHRIO GARAXY 2
>>342054892
>>hyrule warriors isn't canon
yeah, i know, i was just illustrating my point.
>>342053814
>Game takes place in an alternate timeline
>I already came up with this myself.
You're a fool to think this. It's a Zelda game, after all. To be honest though, you were probably inspired by my original thread a few days ago where I revealed the story's premise. You're going to feel like an idiot in a few months.
Also, please keep self-promoting Twitter-posting to a minimum.
>>342052889
This is what I always thought happened but that's what makes the Adult timeline so confusing for me. If it's just his consciousness that went back in time then why did his body disappear at the end if the rest of the Adult timeline remained intact?
>>342054739
Or, you know, I enjoy it
You're quick to throw around allegations of autism but out of the group of people who are all enjoying discussing a game without putting any importance in the discussion and one lonely fuck who bursts into that discussion to tell everyone there that they're shit for having a discussion they don't agree with, which seems more autistic to you?
>>342055181
When Zelda sends you back, she actually sends you back in time to before drawing the Master Sword.
This is what splits the timeline between adult timeline and child timeline.
>>342055181
Just go with 'Zelda did that too so there wouldn't be a vegetable Hero of Time lying around stinking up the place'
>>342055089
You're going to feel like a fool when you follow my link and see the date I posted this on.
>>342049043
It IS very obviously supposed to be "Zelda 3" It very obviously takes place directly after Zelda 2, and the Resurrected Link is the link from Zelda and Zelda 2.
>Gigantic open world with infrequent towns just like Zelda 2
>Master Sword is in the woods, exactly where it was left at the end of Link To the Past/A Link Between Worlds
>There's next to zero Triforce imagery anywhere, because the Triforce was destroyed at the end of Zelda 2
>Link visibly carries all of his shit, just like that common piece of Zelda 2 artwork
>Link has a dedicated Jump button. The last game that happened was Zelda 2.
Koroks are a red herring. We have no idea what actually causes them to change form. If we see any bird people that used to be Zoras, then we could start making definitive statements about Wind Waker, but for now, the Zelda series is very well known for borrowing elements from other games without much care made about timeline logic (See: Tingle) and the Koroks are obviously no more than an example of that.
>>342055312
more than one person in here is saying this though
>>342054886
Link goes to confront Spirit of demise, Link about to lose again. Old man suddenly appears reveals himself to be Ganondorf. Sacrifices self to protect the Hero. Link defends demise. Ganondorf's selfless actions break the curse of demise. No more cycle of reincarnation. The Legend is finished.
>People think this Link is the one from WW.
>Literally the one guy who isn't Link
>>342055790
I'd be more inclined to buy your argument if "rock salt" wasn't an item that referenced an ancient sea.
There are 3 things that point towards post WW world:
> Rock salt
> Link's clothes are too small (toon link resurrected)
> Koroks
>>342055436
>sends his consciousness back in time
>oh fuck i forgot there would still be a body
>chops him up and feeds him to the pigs to hide the evidence
>>342043080
And
>it starts to become that the "triforce" is computer chips
>>342041051
Attaching a fanfic level "theory" to an image? Seriously?
>>342048016
fuck me. an actual adult on v
>>342056065
Because there can only ever be one single ancient sea, right?
Also, for the ocean of Wind Waker to have formed, emptied, dried out and created tundra and deserts, people to re-settle the land, and then, also for rock salt to form, it would've taken tens of thousands of years, at least. Link's been dead for exactly 100. No fucking way shit can happen that fast.
Also, it doesn't make sense for the temple of time and other landmarks to be still existing in the form they do.
>>342055181
It's a bit of a conundrum. Because the way your time shenanigans work otherwise, changing stuff in the past physically changes the future.
On the one hand, that actually helps. Child Link never pulls out the Master Sword anymore at the end of OOT, so there's no Adult Link to worry about in the Adult Timeline anymore. He simply never showed up there. On the otherhand, it causes all sorts of headaches because the Child Timeline also continues with Ganondorf being stopped, and therefore the Adult Timeline should never happen. And if Child Link never becomes Adult Link, how did they seal away Ganon?
This anon >>342055376 may have the right idea. Sending Link back forcibly separates the timelines before anything else. Every other time you go back to the past, the stuff you've already done in the future remains intact, so we assume there's some other weird time shit going on too.
>>342046557
>The leafy koroks are actually their original form so it doesn't have to be post-WW.
No, the Great Deku Tree states they took on their Korok forms once they came to live in Forest Haven.
Source: I just played through that part of WW today.
>>342055986
wut
>>342054650
>ended it on the subtlest plot-point of all time
Have you guys ever read a single book in your life time?
>>342056672
We don't know if they weren't Koroks before that too though. Did they just arbitrarily become wood people?
How do you know that isn't what they actually look like and OoT Link didn't just interpret them as kids because he grew up with them? They are spirits after all. That's why they disappear when you walk more than 10 steps away.
>>342056926
Are you calling the Deku tree a liar?
>>342056926
Occam's Razor, dude.
>>342056553
Yes, that's part of what I don't get. If changing things as a child had an effect on the future you returned to then testifying against Ganondorf as a child and having him arrested should have negated the Adult timeline's existence, so why did it continue?
>>342054650
OOT didn't end with intentional timeline hints, because they didn't consider splitting the timeline until well after WW was out. WW even contains references to MM. In a literal sense, the split wasn't real until they actually created TP.
>>342057334
>Occam's Razor
>It's more likely that because wooden forest sprites exist in one timeline they can only exist in that timeline
>Despite insisting this meaning that other, more impossible scenarios must then be accepted
>>342057275
No. I'm saying he's not sharing the whole truth.
>>342057334
Occam's Razor means that the simplest explanation is usually the right one. It's not a counterargument to a theory.'
Also, you want Occam's Razor? I'll give you Occam's Razor. EXPLAIN WHY THE HELL THE KOKIRI CAN'T LEAVE THE FOREST THEN?
Koroks wear leaves on their faces. In Japan, it's said that when a tanooki changes into someone, it leaves behind a leaf, because it needs it to channel its magic unto. That's why they can't leave the forest. Because they will run out of leaves to transform with and eventually return to spirits...
>>342054650
>Imagine explaining all this to your boss
That's an easy one.
You don't.
Wind Waker has a very loose connection to Ocarina of Time, and Twilight Princess has zero chronological similarities, instead merely borrowing from the game's broadest strokes. It's clear Wind Waker is only a sequel to Ocarina of Time in as much as "It takes place afterward", without any thought as to how, and Twilight Princess isn't clear at all about when it takes place.
That's the thing people get caught up in when they have these timeline debates; timeline was never a major element in Zelda. The devs do whatever they have to do to make the game good, and then tie it together after the fact. A good 75% of the timeline is conjecture.
That's the reason we have this retarded split timeline bullshit to begin with, because the entire thing has a massive case of square peg/round hole problem. Fitting on a coherent timeline was NEVER a priority for Zelda games, excepting the most obvious examples of when it was.
>>342057589
Bro, you have no idea what you're talking about.
>>342057589
>WW even contains references to MM
Can you refresh my memory on that one?
>At the beginning of the game, he is presented to the player as a soldier without any recollection of his past, or even who he actually is; only learning much later of his predetermined role as humanity's Hero, and of his right to make the fatidical choice between welcoming this lawful Sheikah destiny, become an agent of the Demon Lord, or take neither path, choosing his own Hylian future by himself.
>>342055849
Yes, and you're all the same, faggots who would rather try and ruin or taint other people's enjoyment than find something you enjoy yourself
It shouldn't matter what we're doing, you do you and we'll do us, how is that so hard to understand
>>342057696
n-no way man Nintendo had this shit drafted and written out since the 80's, this series is on par with Middle Earth man.
>>342057696
>and Twilight Princess has zero chronological similarities.
Fyi, I was referring to Majora's Mask and The Wind Waker respectively. In that order. But ok.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfpIHmZHfX0Btw didn't read the rest.
>>342057660
Koroks can go wherever the fuck they want, did you even play WW?
>>342057610
>>342057660
I'm saying that it's way simpler to take the Deku Tree's word as fact rather than assuming the Kokiri are naturally Koroks.
Also, they can indeed leave the forest. They do so in WW in that sidequest where you have to water their trees with Forest Water so the sprouts don't die.
You're all assuming way too much.
>>342057974
>>342058006
They had trees with them this time. My explanation holds.
>>342057892
>gaggots who would rather try and ruin or taint other people's enjoyment
Speak for yourself because that's exactly what you retards have done for nearly 20 years, people who just want to play and enjoy the games are told they're not enjoying it properly because they don't spend hours upon hours examining every rock and blade of grass in the game and attempt to tie it into some grand chronology the devs themselves don't give a shit about.
Jesus nigger, you're trying to claim this is a series with intricately interconnecting lore when the games by and large cannot even keep major landmarks and geography straight.
>>342057830
The story of Tingle providing maps to Link for his MM quest. It appears in WW, when you bomb the hidden spots to collect Tingle statues. Even though Nintendo had spoken of OOT having two endings, the concept of divergent timelines had not yet been realized.
>Wilderness from Zelda 1
>Master Sword in the forest from A Link to the Past
>Goddess from Skyward Sword
>Temple of Time from Ocarina of Time
>Koroks from Wind Waker
>Hyrule Castle from Twilight Princess
It's a convergence.
Remember that Fi's description of Demise says he's a beast that "Mastered time itself"
"This eternal being has conquered time itself. It is the source of all monsters.
According to tales passed down through generations, it appears differently in each epoch and to each person who lays eyes on it."
>>342057568
On that note, why even dick around in the future at all? Why not immediately go back and get Ganon arrested? I seem to recall you got sealed because Ganondorf immediately busts in after you get the sword. Which doesn't really fit with how you can go back and dick around either.
It kind of gets back into extrapolation, but it seems logical that timelines, once made, continue on even if someone fucks with the past. This justifies spending time to fix the bad future. And why the timeline continues even after Link gets removed from it entirely.
Considering you end up arresting Ganondorf before he even causes any real problems in the Child Timeline, it seems Zelda was able to send you even further back into the past than replacing the Master Sword usually does, which is what cuts off the Adult Timeline fully from the Child Timeline, I'd wager.
Not really the best lore person, though, so I don't know how the secondary data fits into this.
>>342058131
They didn't have trees, they had Deku seeds.
Also, Makar travels with you in the Wind Temple, which is filled with monsters.
>>342058212
Yeah, you got it straight. The Past timeline keeps going and Link can't go "back" further after he pulls the Master Sword. Zelda sends him back way before that happens.
>>342056674
In the adult timeline, the spirit of the hero stopped existing because Link returned to his own time and the timeline then split. This is why no hero came up when Ganondorf freed himself again. Toon Link goes through a bunch of trials similarly to Skyward Sword Link because he is a new hero to carry the spirit of the hero. This may also be why he only faces Ganondorf once - with the original spirit of the hero not existing anymore, Demise's curse is undone.
>>342058152
That's not a reference to what you think it is. I thought you were going to say something like quoting the intro "but that hero did not appear," as evidence for Majora's Mask.
That thing about Tingle is referring to something else entirely. He says he helps the hero when he was lost in darkness. For all we know that could be Breath of the Wild, because Tingle is immortal. Hence how he knows the entire cartography of Hyrule.
>>342057929
Discussing something doesn't mean you hold it in high regard, plus people speculating in this thread have already said that the timeline wasn't a thing until several games in but it exists now and the creators have even retroactively applied it to the earlier games so chill out.
>>342041051
Y'all are gonna look like fools when this game has nothing to do with the timeline, and Anouma just chose certain things from other Zeldas because it would be fun.
>>342049108
Iirc, them as reincarnations aren't meant to be considered the same people each incarnation. It's only that someone that holds the qualitys of link zelda and ganon get brought into the cycle of demises curse.
>>342058495
>For all we know that could be Breath of the Wild, because Tingle is immortal. Hence how he knows the entire cartography of Hyrule.
Where the fuck are you getting these things from? This is what I mean when I say you're making way too much assumptions.
I've noticed that the Eyepad has the hour incorporated, did WW and TP had defined time like that? could this mean we could get events based on the time of the day?
I know that OoT had defined time too but that was just an useless sheikah stone gimmick
>>342058143
Nobody in this thread has ever said you need to look into lore stuff to enjoy the games
I've never heard of a Zelda fan saying that ever
Nobody is stopping you from enjoying the games without giving a fuck about the lore or the story or even reading a single piece of dialogue
Just because we want to do something different you feel the need to shit on it because it's not what you do, which incidentally is exactly what you are accusing us of doing
I don't honestly care if the lore fits together, I don't give a shit if any of my or anyone else's theories are correct, what is so hard for you to understand about 'I find it fun'
>>342058564
In an interview Miyamoto mentioning how difficult plot was in Zelda now because of the timeline
In another interview with Aonuma when asked about the timeline he said he didn't want to spoil anything and only gave hints about the Shiekah instead
Bill Trinen specifically pointed out hints towards continuity in the demo and in other interviews, such as the birth place of hyrule, the guardians being in ruins, and the shiekah history.
>>342058180
>Calamity Ganon is freed at the end
>Consumes Zelda
>this starts playing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UsgpkMLQx4
/v/'s reaction?
>>342046483
>Aonouma focusing on technology
Based on what Philosophy? Magic or science?
>>342057929
>>342058532
Same person false-flagging.
We do hold the timeline in high regard, because you have to be a dumbass to not be able to see it was all planned since the ending of OoT.
If you believe otherwise you have no concept of choreography. Miyamoto even said OoT was intended to be very movie-like.
>>342058564
K, I'll screencap this for when you're wrong.
>>342058212
No, you get sealed when you touch the master sword because you weren't supposed to get to it yet, Link isn't ready as a child so it freezes him in stasis until he is old enough to be ready, when you put it back as an adult you return to when you last pulled it out because you are returning to the body you left as though you'd never pulled the sword out to begin with, after Link beats Ganon Zelda uses the power of the Triforce (maybe the whole thing, maybe just Wisdom/Courage) to send you back even further
>>342058532
the timeline has always been a thing
Zelda 2 was a direct sequel to Zelda 1
ALttP was a prequel to Zelda 1
OoT was a prequel to ALttP showing the Imprisonment War
MM was a direct sequel to OoT (child)
TWW was a sequel to OoT (adult), but instead of being part of the same world as the original Zelda games (in which Ganon was sealed by the sages, which would have made it the adult timeline) it becomes its own thing by having Hyrule be flooded then abandoned
TP is a sequel to OoT (child), SW is a prequel to OoT and overall the first game in the chronology
Timeline has always been a thing, they just fucked up by having Wind Waker effectively undo the first games
>>342058916
>We do hold the timeline in high regard, because you have to be a dumbass to not be able to see it was all planned since the ending of OoT.
>Lore Bro
Please tell me this is all parody
>>342058786
>>342058916
>>342058495
Tingle isn't immortal, he's Ganon's son from the future who can time travel and dimension hop
>>342058495
Nice fabric.
Nintendo doesn't give hints of future games, because they haven't planned them yet. The time split was an afterthought. It wasn't part of any super secret plan. OOT was written to pair with LTTP. WW simply replaced LTTP out of necessity. Inconsistencies exist between the games, because the creators are mere mortals.
>>342058786
Yea because the time line legit when link only has pink hair in one game
>>342058564
I'm not taking this stuff seriously, it's just fun to speculate and try to one-up each other's semi-plausible bullshit. I'm not seriously expecting much of a plot at all.
>>342059021
Pretty sure Lore Bro is a troll, his knowledge ranges from basic to non existant and he's throwing around low tier fanfiction while calling it ''explanations''.
>>342059000
>they just fucked up by having Wind Waker effectively undo the first games
How does windwaker undo the first games?
>>342058916
>We do hold the timeline in high regard, because you have to be a dumbass to not be able to see it was all planned since the ending of OoT.
Stop namefagging. Stop posting your shitty theories. Stop shilling your twitter.
NONE OF IT. Was planned. NONE OF IT. They had their timeline, sure, but they just add to it as they go along, at NO POINT in the development of Ocarina of Time did they think "Oh, and years later let's make a game called Skyward Sword here at the beginning"
Nintendo always does gameplay first and story second, and then shove it in the timeline.
I hate anti-historia shitposters too but don't make an ass out of yourself.
>>342054446
Well when you go back in time, you keep your items you got from the future. It's clearly not just mental.
>>342058684
How else do you think Tingle is able to chart the hiding pieces of the Triforce of Courage with the Great Sea?
>>342059114
Percy from The Minish Cap is the only person in Hyrule who can time-travel and dimension hop.
To be perfectly honest, the can retcon/converge the timeline by having someone touch the Triforce and wish to "make time whole once again" or something like that.
I think that's what they should do.
>>342059176
Not canon. Look at the ALTTP official art.
>>342058636
While not technically the same people fate always brings about the birth of the same sort of people to fill the roles, when the time for the cycle to begin anew is approaching a daughter in born into the royal line blessed with great wisdom and fairness and a boy is born somewhere with a courageous heart who is just and loyal
They aren't so much reincarnations as spiritual descendants, reincarnations is just an easier term for it
>>342059318
He doesn't chart it. He merely deciphers whatever's in the Triforce Chart, and makes it readable to Link so he can go and collect it.
You're sounding like an autistically obsessed 12 year old. I mean, I love Zelda too, but I don't think it's even plausible that fucking Tingle is immortal.
I really like these lore discussion threads
they are really comfy
>>342043687
I've never heard of this before, so you're almost certainly bullshitting me.
>>342047626
>Implying the individual games themselves don't have tons of well thought out lore
>>342059000
Truth.
>>342059263
The adult ending of OOT was designed to be the LTTP prequel that LTTP had told in the Imprisoning War narrative. WW was later written to follow OOT, and spoiled the connection between LTTP and OOT.
>>342059318
Then explain how he got to where he was in FPTRRL
>>342059479
I'd like them better if this """""""lore bro"""""" guy would stop posting in them
>>342057334
If you want to try and pull the Occam's Razor card you need to realize that the real simplest answer is Nintendo threw them in without thinking about the lore implications at all.
>>342058916
>it was all planned since the ending of OoT.
You've got I be trolling. It's common knowledge that Nintendo has thrown story into Zelda games only after deciding on how they would play (mechanics/the gimmick etc)
Your delusion probably stems from the fact that you've spent countless hours trying the crack some sort of Divinci code that Nintendo's had in the works for decades
>>342059502
Can't say anything about that plot bullshit but Zelda 1 being originally concieved as a sci fi futuristic game and the triforce being tech based are indeed true.
>>342059263
First games: Ganondorf comes up, gets fucked, the sages seal him, he later breaks out in ALttP and gets his shit kicked in again
Wind Waker: Ganondorf comes up, gets fucked, the sages seal him, he later breaks out but there is no hero to stop him, Hyrule gets flooded and later abandoned
Having Link be defeated by Ganon in OoT for the first games makes sense too, because technically it is Ganondorf who gets sealed in OoT, not Ganon, so it helps turning a minor retcon into something significant
The timeline wasn't fucked until they realized the ending of OoT had two outcomes, and it was fucked further when they decided to disregard the first games - TWW retcons them, TP fucks up any chance to have its timeline be that of the first games by killing off Ganondorf at the end too
>>342059167
>WW simply replaced LTTP out of necessity.
OoT never had any connection to ALttP. If it did, Nintendo would have said so at one point/confirmed it in paraphernalia; ANYTHING. Yet the only person out of the 100 people who worked on Ocarina of Time who said this was a character designer who looked to ALttP for inspiration.
Dumbest myth in gaming.
>>342059471
And how do you think Tingle is able to read Ancient Hylian exactly? Uncle Rupee in Tingle's RPG made him immortal.
Wait, aren't you the same guy arguing that Tingle still remembers an event from hundreds upon hundreds of years ago from Majora's Mask as "proof" that the split wasn't planned?
BRAVO anon. Bravo.....
>>342060005
>OoT never had any connection to ALttP. If it did, Nintendo would have said so at one point/confirmed it in paraphernalia; ANYTHING
>ALttP: Ganon gets sealed by the sages
>OoT: shows Ganondorf turning into Ganon then getting sealed by the sages
???
>>342047726
I talk lore when bored, it's not even that I care about the lore. I personally enjoy zelda, lore threads are a somewhat fun place to have a try at developing lower tier argumentation skills.
>>342060005
Medli can understand Hylian. Why can't Tingle? He's a "fairy" after all. And Tingle's standalone game isn't canon, holy shit.
You are literally autistic.
>>342060005
http://zeldawiki.org/History_of_the_Zelda_Timeline/Timeline_Quotes#On_Ocarina_of_Time
Fuck off. Never talk shit like you know shit again.
>>342058916
I like speculation and think it's fun, it's autists like you that take it too seriously who ruin it for the rest of us.
>it was all planned since the ending of OoT
And I've said as much, stop throwing a fit over nothing.
>>342059000
When people say there wasn't a timeline before OoT, I'm pretty sure they meant split timelines, at least I do although now that I think of it, that's pretty obtuse. The thing that makes it confusing is that the original games were probably meant to be on a linear timeline but were retroactively changed to become a branch.
>>342047726
Considering the official timeline was kept under lock and key for YEARS, just to be released so.... poorly in the HH (or rather the "we need to promote SS so have this big book of shit"), I'm not convinced it's what's behind closed doors.
>>342060005
OOT's was created as the Imprisoning War. They spoke about it in interviews before OOT was released. It wasn't even the first story they thought of, the original idea was to make LTTP-3D.
>>342041051
Will the Gerudo be in this one? I need my sexy desert ladies in high definition.
>>342060212
Freshly Picked Tingle's Rosy Rupee Land is so canon get fucked
And Tingle isn't a fairy, he's a dude of indeterminate race that likes to dress as a fairy
The lore can only be comprehended by the most devoted of fans, I don't expect you anons to ever grasped the full depth of Zelda. Hopefully one day you might reach 2% of understanding.
>>342060675
It's not in the timeline. It's not canon.
And that's why I put fairy in " " you dumbass.
Put your name back on.
>>342046014
*Saria's
>>342060602
We've seen a few flashes of desert so we can hope.
>>342060602
I hope so too, but I doubt it.
>>342059679
Non-canon. Takes place in his own timeline.
>>342059768
>story after deciding gameplay blablah
Has been denied countless times by Miyamoto in probably every language he's ever been interviewed.Power: Let's get back to Zelda. You said the game's "System" is more important than its "Story" when you develope a game. Is that true for Zelda this time?
Miyamoto: Yes, but since I have an excellent staff that is stron in every area, I think you'll find that the story-telling is a real strength in this game.
Power: But the "System" is still the most important part of the game?
Miyamoto: Yes. I don't think that a story alone can make a game exciting. I'm afraid that people think that I ignore story lines or that I don't feel that the story has any value. My first priority is whether the game play is interesting. What I mean by that is that a player is actively involved in the game. The story is just one of the ways to get players interested, like the enemies or puzzles. If you just want a good story, you should pick up a novel or see a movie. The difference is in the participation. In a game, you might meet a character, but you don't find out his story until later, after you do something that reveals the truth about him. It's all up to the player. You only get that sort of experience with the interactive entertainment. Of course, the scenario, characters and graphics are all important, but its this active attitude that is the most important element.
>>342060481
I don't know what the story behind HH was, but Tezuka said after it came out, that they've had docs on the story secreted away since Zelda 1.
>>342060602
It's implied they died off iirc
I suck dicks everyday. I'm sucking dicks right now. Tingle's lore is CANON. Just ask my wife's son.
>>342061019
When? And how?
>>342060946
You ignoramus your quote goes against what you're even trying to say.
>>342059598
They don't. You can't honestly believe this. MM is the closest to MAYBE.
>>342055790
>There's next to zero Triforce imagery anywhere, because the Triforce was destroyed at the end of Zelda 2
what
>>342061025
This is not me, I'm adding a trip so I can share the pure canon as intended.
Breath of the Wild cannot take place after The Wind Waker. The King wished on the Triforce for Hyrule to be washed away. It wasn't just flooded, it was destroyed.
For the ocean to recede would be circumventing the King's wish.
>>342061269
Don't listen to him, this my new trip. Make sure to check it so you know my posts are PURE and CANON.
>>342061269
You really have no credibility you know.
>>342061374
No, THIS is the real me. Be sure to Watch my threads for the real Canon.
>>342061127
If this is post WW timeline as "implied"
They had no presence seemingly
Here's one of the "better" lore shitters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaG9vRTpM1s
Starts around 11 minutes in.
Herro, I am Shigerudo Mamamia and I can confirm that Tingre is in fact immortar. In fact the Tingre series is the true timerine and the Zeruda games are all secretry a dream, as yourr find out in breath of the wird. Prease to having a good day. If you have question, AJ Aonumale will be here shortry to answer them.
The game will be a sequel to Zelda 2
Screencap this
>>342061337
wash away as in make it disappear beyond the seas. There's nothing that doesn't imply the koroks and the great deku's little forest project didn't come to fruition over the years to get rid of all that water.
>>342041051
>lore for a shitty kids game
>>342052889
This sounds like some 999 morphogenic field shit.
>>342046057
Zelda's lore is one of the deepest and most sophisticated in video games, with constant interwoven themes mixed with multithreaded plot, character and racial dynamics.
>tfw Lore Bro was 1 single troll post and everyone assumed the shitposting persona.
>people trying to impersonate me.
I don't really get this. All it does is boost my name. All publicity is good publicity.
Like, why flatter the person you're trying to villainize?
Makes no sense, but whatever.
>>342060790
No, it's not in the timeline, because it takes place after everything, after all the games that haven't happened yet, when there's only one guy left alive that doesn't have money for a face, Ganon's son, Tingle, he becomes immortal and gains the ability to travel through time and across dimensions as he wishes
>>342043687
That's ALttP artwork, when the game was supposed to be going from present-day Hyrule to the future. Nice try.
>>342061337
I don't think it is impossible, but it does seem very unlikely to be after WW. New world and all that.
The only thing that really stops it from being after TP, is that the technology is too good. Otherwise, it's a prime place to put it.
After SS seems very unlikely, because Gabon, and because SS didn't end with a kingdom that could be destroyed.
>Attention whoring tripfag and retarded, twitter promoting namefag shitting up thread
>people are actually replying to them
It was a nice couple days of comfy Zelda threads before /r/eddit streamed in.
>>342061736
Couldn't have said it better myself bro.
Anyways, based on the castle shown in BotW we can safely assume it takes place in the ''Link joins Mario Kart as DLC'' timeline.
So this game is going to be placed in the only timeline worth giving a damn, then?
Fantastic.
I just want it to have a intro, something that games don't have anymore. I was so disappointed when I played both Donkey Kong Country Returns and Tropical Freeze for the first time and there wasn't even a little funny intro playing with the logo like Rare did back in the days... What's wrong with the industry?
>>342061337
They could easily retcon it, anon, or just say that "wash away" wasn't specific enough. After all, when the King prayed for Hyrule to be saved before the events of WW, they decided to flood the kingdom and probably ended up committing genocide in response; the Zelda Goddesses are assholes.
At this point, the only possible placements for BotW are sometime in the adult timeline, after WW (possibly after Spirit Tracks) or in the downfall timeline after Zelda 2.
>>342043080
>Link is actually a robot/artificial human
I know that Monolith is helping Nintendo with it, but I don't think they'll use that twist again so soon
>>342046483
>ayyliums
>its turns out its the MM aliens
I hope it happens
Realized while re-watching footage that the Old Man's beard is completely identical to the King's, just grown out and not neatly trimmed.
>>342061908
>The only thing that really stops it from being after TP, is that the technology is too good. Otherwise, it's a prime place to put it.
You're wrong.
In Twilight Princess, the Temple of Time is in a worse state than BotW, and Ganondorf was separated from the Triforce and killed.
>>342062038
Please, stop posting that hideous-looking picture.
Everyone hates that timeline, which is why they made the Donkey Kong, and Bad Zeldas one.
Nothing that unsightly can be canon.
>>342055674
>Skyward Sword ends in an apparent time paradox
No it doesn't. It's not a paradox at all. You can say that Skyward Sword created another branching timeline like OoT but it is absolutely not a paradox.
Link traveled to the past to beat Demise and used the master sword that he brought with him to seal Demise's soul. This same Link is the one that bore Demise's curse.
How is it so fucking hard to understand that when Link returned to the future with Demise's soul trapped in the master sword that the curse followed as well?
>>342062315
>the Zelda Goddesses are assholes
They have nothing to do with it, they were completely detached from the proceedings of Hyrule after they made it (hence creating Hylia to do the job of looking after things). The Triforce is just overly literal and/or non-sentient, like in most genie in a lamp scenarios.
>>342062330>I know that Monolith is helping Nintendo with it, but I don't think they'll use that twist again so soon
was that a twist in XCX or something?
>>342062510
Due to the skin colour, Triforce broaches, and height\build, it's also speculated to be Ganondorf from WW. could be either or.
>>342060946
Your quote literally says the opposite of what you're trying to prove.
>>342062575
I'm sorry anon
Will these game be canon or will it be another alternate universe entry like Wind Waker & TP?
>>342062510
Are you saying that all beard guys look the same? You fucking racist!
>>342062714
But the hair color isnt anywhere near the same?
>>342062583
Because he didn't return with it. He left the Master Sword in the past for countless millenia. Why do you think that is? So that the Triforce wish could eradicate him. But that in turn creates a paradox.
HOW DID IMPA AND THE MASTER SWORD GET BACK TO THE FUTURE IF "Skyward Sword split the timeline" LIKE YOU SAY?
>>342062510
I initially thought that too, but the old man stands exactly like dorf. absent how the old man stands, w/ hands rested on staff like prev dorfs, the old man 100% looks like the king.
>>342062714
tiny issue with him being ganon.
>green skin
>brown skin on old man.
>>342062573
The temple of time has never been consistent between games.
>>342062575
It's the only timeline that makes any sense, people just got mad because the reason for there to be 3 is shit.
>>342062605In the fifth story quest its revealed that all the humans we've interacted with have had their minds transferred into robotic bodies. The MC, who had no memories prior to the opening of the game, finds out by having their arm ripped off. The MC is also pretty heavily implied to be one of the robotic bodies that spontaneously generated a personality/mind.
>>342062038
If you count the handhelds, the failed timeline has twice as many games as child and adult, I kind of wish they'd throw a bone to the other timelines although it feels like the adult timeline is basically finished. But it's also a little depressing to think that OoT Link died when he was just a 9 year-old in an adult's body.
>>342062846
His skin color isn't consistent.
>>342062315
It could take place before the flood.
When Ganon returned and there was no Link to stop him.
>>342062714
>skin color
Doesn't look that different to me.
>>342063057
senpai that's still green or at least greenish gray.
>>342062783
he could age if Ganon the beast and Ganondorf the man were separated.
>>342063057
I wonder if his nails are meant to be naturally black or if he just decided to goth out to fit in the twilight realm.
>>342062910
They could have easily found a way to fit the decline games into the other timelines without resorting to bullshit a third branch out of their ass.
>>342063191
Black nails are usually a sign of evil or something.
>>342063186
Ganondorf is meant to be an old man in Wind Waker to parallel to the King because they both represent staying in the past and moving forward, respectively. His hair was still bright red.
>>342063250
No they couldn't. There had to be 3 timelines, for the simple matter that Adventure of Link, Wind Waker and Twilight Princess all definitively end Ganon forever. Hell, OoT only barely worked as a retelling of the Imprisoning War with everything it changed when we thought it was the truth.
>>342062776
No timeline is any more canon than the other except the ones that happened before it branched out (SS, MC, FS, OoT).
>>342063191
He lives in a population of 100% chicks. Manacures, pedicures, and all manner of over-grooming are mandatory by law. I'd be surprised if he is actually straight.
>>342063367
What if the Old Man isBoth Ganon and the King fused together
I wish I could play each zelda game for the first time again ;_;
Is skyward sword worth getting?
>>342063586
NO
DON'T TOUCH THAT SHIT.
>>342063638
Can you give me a reason?
>>342063586
Yes
It gets too much shit, it's flawed but it's still enjoyable
>>342063586
Yes. Regardless of the shit it gets here, it's still fun. You'll get annoyed by parts, but you'll have more fun than playing most modern games today.
>>342063114
I agree that it's way more likely to be King of Red Lions than Ganondorf but those scenes have super different lighting so it's not a great comparison.
I enjoyed SS
>>342063586
if you don't mind long tutorials and bad controls, its an ok Zelda game
>>342063586
If you managed to play Wind Waker without vomiting, then Skyward Sword will be enjoyable.
>>342063586
It's a good game. Just don't go in with expectations about exploring Hyrule.
>>342063586
Same here. I still have to play Zelda 1 and 2Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask as welltho
I couldn't get myself to endure more than 1 dungeon in TP and SS... Might start and finish playing all of them before BOTW releases next year
>>342063569
how the fuck would that happen
>>342063586
if you've never played it, yes
But be warned it takes almost as long as twilight princess does to start up and will constantly pull you out of the game to explain shit to you.
The combat's pretty fun and it adds some cool ideas to the franchise
>>342042851
The King and that giant fish thing mention it.
>>342063872
Fusion earrings?
>>342063250
Yeah but that would easily have been more contrived and essentially a straight up lie. The timeline as is is more or less how they 'wrote' it as they were releasing the games, they just handwaved some bullshit to make it 'unified' in some sense. In practice Ocarina of Time was a prequel to ALttP but then ended up being a reboot and they basically represented that fact.
>>342042851
Jabun and the King talk about how he has no direct relation to the Hero of Time, so retards take this as confirmation that he doesn't have the same spirit as him. As if Jabun and the King can somehow magically "sense" his spirit or not.
>>342063586
I bought SS last fall and tried to play it. It blew.
Just watch a let's play of it or something. Not worth the money. there's a decent one w/out commentary on youtube
>Beat final boss, who is currently implied as Monster Ganon
>Old Man appears
>"Good job restoring the triforce"
>One piece of the Triforce glows
>So does old man
>"Thanks for restoring my power"
>Takes off cloak
>It's fucking Ganondorf, his own entity rather than being locked into ganon
>>>REAL final boss with Old Man Dorf
God i wish that could happen
>>342064195
>>342064175
And here it is, in case you want to watch it rather than play:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoIHHxhOfFs&list=PL534CB819D9E16A65
>>342064195
I second this. SS just wasn't fun and I never finished it...sadly. I'd gladly buy an HD remake with traditional controls if it's possible.
>>342063857
>still hasn't played OoT and MM
Go play that shit.
And not the shitty 3DS versions.
>>342064398
Thanks senpai.
>>342063586
As a long time Zelda fan, I will give you pros and cons that I personally found with the game.
+It personally has a fantastic aesthetic, the water-colors and general feel of the world are very beautiful, especially if you're fond of WW mixed with a more adult oriented Link
+The story, while typical Zelda, is very much improved, the cutscenes are far more fluid and things flow very nicely
+The upgrade system is very much needed and offers a lot to the game, mostly only with swords and shields, but it gives you quite a lot to do
+Dungeons as always are great and some are fantastic with some great bosses
-The overworld is not connected, it's disjointed and can only be accessed from Skyloft/the sky, and this sort of prevents world exploring, or at the least makes it limited
-The Imprisoned Fight, while great the first time, the design quickly grows worse and the boss fight more tedious
-Fi, is probably the most annoying of the companions. She constantly talks and reminds you of things constantly
-Second half of the game is a bit of a let down in terms of Overworld environments, it starts off rather well, but essentially recycles the last 2-3 areas of the game completely
-/+ The swordplay/combat, this can go either or, personally I loved the attempt at precision strikes with the motion+, however it's executed very poorly and slows combat to a crawl and can just be circumvented by waggling in all directions like a mad man.
Now I love Zelda and the story and aesthetic pulled me into the game more than the overworld and exploring, which says a lot, since it's a bit of a reversal situation. I personally think it's worth a play, but go into it with tempered expectations, it's not the best Zelda in the world, but there are things to really like about the game, and it's all a matter of subjective opinion.
Hope it helps.
I think this happens in the "the hero lost" timeline, Link is probably an artificial human ot whatever, with the memories of the last hero.Ganon was probably too powerful so they just sealed him, in preparation for his return, they made a new Link.
>game comes to a close
>when suddenly the Old Man takes off his cloak
>Ganondorf and the actual King walk into the room to confront each other as Link looks to the old man confused
>he's just an old man with no significance
>>342063367
The idea is that BotW takes place after Wind Waker, and that Ganon would be removed from the triforce\demise's influence, which became Calamity Ganon and would possibly cause him to age. After all, why would the King need to make a distinction between Ganon and the new variant?I'm talking out of my ass because I want to see WW Ganondorf back
>>342064450
But I enjoyed MM3d. especially the silly glitches and shit.
Being able to use the song of double time to skip to the exact time I want is so damn good.
>>342064597
There was a very good anon explaining the timeline last thread and how it in all likelihood takes place sometime in between OoT/ALttP but not necessarily about the Hero of Time, since we have no indication of the time passed between the two.
It was pretty thought out, I'm sure you can find it in the archive. The discussion lasted quite a while.
>>342064745
Yeah, I remember reading that too. Honestly, it seems more likely to me that it takes place after Zelda 2 (if it's in the adult timeline) with all of the advanced tech accounted for, but anything is possible at this point.
>>342064539
Thanks famalam. I like the series but i don't treasure all of the games as gems so it's likely to not disappoint me all too much.
To give you an idea of the kind of person I am. I played revengeance for 4 months straight, never getting anything beyond sams sword as an unlockable main weapon and I still had fun.
>people saying it's a Wind Waker sequel
Phantom Hourglass starts LITERALLY just after the Wind Waker ending.
And Spirit Tracks takes time 100 years after that so maybe it's after that one.
>>342064430
Really? The controls and tutorials were a big issue, but I just wasn't impressed with the game as a whole. It's so linear, and you spend so much of the game fetching things, and basically just being alone.
In contrast to OoT, MM, MM or TP you never really interact with anybody.
Also, IDK what they could do about the controls. There are even puzzles that require motion controls(entrance to first temple iirc)
>>342064745
Wouldn't work because Calamity Ganon showed up randomly one day and Hyrule Castle was destroyed in Link's final battle with Ganon in OOT.
>>342064904
Considering Spirit Tracks had some pretty advanced tech, most people mean that it's after that one.
>>342064904
It is a sequel, but probably 500 years after WW. so no there will be Old Hyrule and New Hyrule on another continent.
>>342064539
>most annoying of the companions
If someone is honest about the series, one of the irritants in OOT, TP, and SS, is that the dungeons mostly function as a way to tutorial the player on how to use the device found in the dungeon, and that one you have finished all these tutorials, the game is basically over.
>>342060791
*Nabooru's
So a while back in, an MM3D interview, it was confirmed that this fucking creepy gent would show up again.
Do you think he'll play a major part in the plot like he did in MM, or do you think he'll be on the sidelines, just another "unimportant" shopkeeper NPC like he was in OoT?
Either way, he's definitely suspicious though; he always has been. Can we assume that he's a Sheikah?
Not that fake primitive shit that guards the Hylian Royal family in lives in some hidden village though - I'm talking the real deal, the highly-advanced godlike ones who watched over the world with their ancient Clark's Law magi-tech and whatnot.
The ones responsible for the tech in BoTW, and perhaps all of the notable technological locations and items throughout the series. Like the Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, the Lanayru Sand Sea and its timeshift stones, the Fused Shadow, the Tower of the Gods and the like.
The place in the timeline will be left open to interpretation in order to create some post-historia timeline autism.
>>342065158
He was honestly mostly on the sidelines for MM.
>>342065131
>Picking Nabooru as best girl
My man.
>>342065071>Calamity Ganon is the half-game boss>Once you defeat him you unlock an air ship that can take you to New Hyrule, which is just as big as Hyrule, and where the true final boss is
Are sheikahs the jews of hyrule?
>>342065190
Good: The Zelda timeline was far more interesting when it wasn't made official.
>>342065158
He'll probably be an ordinary shopkeep like in OoT, and you can buy various masks with various effects off him in exchange for rare materials.
>>342065190
>No clear indication of timeline placement.
>Ganon simply exists and is not explained.
Could be utter fan chaos, except it is the same setup as the original game.
>>342064450
I played both versions of MM since it's my favorite and I don't remember anything being wrong with the 3DS version except that swimming as a zora was nowhere near as fun as the 64 version. Other than that though, it's arguably better since they updated the textures, let you look around in rooms that you couldn't before and gave you more precise control of time.
>>342064894
Glad I could help. And that's a good way to look at games, just to have fun with them and not take them too seriously. Hope you have fun with SS if you decide to play it.
>>342065115
I can't argue that, it is a problem with the 3D Zeldas, especially TP. I'm glad BotW is taking a different approach to Zelda drastically, it's definitely need some evolution especially combat wise that wasn't just motion controls.
>>342065294
I feel like there was a game that pulled something like this...
All I can think of is Darksiders II, shit was so satisfying because you think you're done but you've only just begun.
>>342057974
EvenForbidden woods?
>>342064430
>'d gladly buy an HD remake with traditional controls if it's possible.
I want this meme to die
Skyward Sword was built around motion, you can't just make a traditional version
and even then the motion controls were the best part of the game
>>342065307
Yes, Hylians are Christians, Gerudos are Muslims, Sheikahs are Jews, every other race is pagan scum
>>342064539
> can just be circumvented by waggling in all directions like a mad man.
Yeah if your fighting bitch baby enemies
The game has a lot of enemies that demand precision
>>342065509
Okami did it. Twice.
>>342065564
>every other race is pagan scum
They converted though, so it's cool.
Nope.
It's Zelda 3. Direct sequel to The Adventure of Link.
Back in the fucking 80's, Zelda was supposed to have a sci fi thing to it. The Triforce was originally a complex as fuck microchip thing.
This to me seems like everything they envisioned is coming to a head. Fantasy tech. The tech being very organic compared to the more sterile thing most people expect.
>>342064934
Well since you mention that, another anon had a map of all the Hyrules lined up based on the Temple of Time, Death Mountains, Desert Palaces, etc. and ALttP Hyrule Castle isn't in the same location as OoT's, it's a little further north, for instance Link's house would be closer to the Hyrule Castle of OoT.
The anon with the timeline though had some really good reasons for why it could fit there and why it couldn't fit elsewhere. Most of which involved the Temple of Time's presence in BotW and it's absence in the majority of games.
It can't be after Legend of Zelda because Hyrule has adopted Christianity by then, remember?
>>342065509
>I feel like there was a game that pulled something like this
The silver/gold version of pokemon
>>342065662
It got me both times and it just made the rest of the game that much better
>>342065638
A lot of the enemies are 'bitch baby enemies'. Only mini-bosses and bosses really demand precision, even the final boss (which I won't spoil for the anon that hasn't played it) requires no precision whatsoever and can be defeated in a matter of 5-10 seconds by waggling like crazy.
>>342065545
>and even then the motion controls were the best part of the game
Nah, the best part was was the imagery.
>skyloft
>diving off cliff for bird
>timestones
Motion controls sucked.
>>342065509
Okami
Pokemon Gen 2
Kid Icarus Uprising
>>342065594
Nah.
He's more like pic-related than anything else now. His powers have transcended beyond even those of Link's and now he's basically just become rampant, reality-bending disaster of corporeal hatred now; he doesn't even seem sentient or self-aware.
>>342065757
This is what Lore Bro actually believes.
>>342065509
Final Fantasy VI.
Literally thought I was finishing the game. Fighting in a floating island in the sky.
Nope. Halfway mark. What the FUCK.
>>342065884
Anyone got a link to that reviewer that gave KIU a bad score for being "too short" because he thought Medusa was the final boss?
what if... WHAT IF...
It's just set after Adventure of Link because that Link failed to prevent the revival of Ganon?
AlsoHUH HUH HUH HUH HUH
>>342065662
That's the one I was thinking of. Holy shit what a ride that game was.You kill Orochii half way, realize you aren't done at all. then you get to kill a fucking alien ayy lmao god.
I need more games that do this.
>yfw New Hyrule develops into such a different culture that they have no real connection to Old Hyrule and come back and invade for land.
That would be cool in some future tittle.
>>342066056
Someone actually did that?
I guess he closed the game during the """"Credits""""?
>>342066094
Or what if Ganon's minions just waited for Link to die of natural causes, and then took his blood?
>>342066094
This was another thought on my mind. I'd totally be down for this.
>>342065509
Tales of Symphonia.
Jesus that game was long, played the entirety with 2 bro. I was Genis.
>>342066204
What if Link infected some of the whores he slept with his Ganon reviving blood disease?
>>342066115
>in some future tittle.What if the Guardians weren't built by the Sheikah, but used by New Hyrule as an invading force/resource gatherers. After all, New Hyrule was the most technologically advanced civilization we've seen in Zelda yet with trains and steam engines and shit, who's to say that a thousand years later they wouldn't have evolved into a technocracy with advanced robots and shit?
>>342065480
>>342064647
>playing MM3D
>ever
No.
>>342065545
>TP has good swimming controls that are easy to use and understand
>Let's make SS's swimming be tied directly to motion controls because why not?
>>342066341
>>342066094
While they can technically place the new game in any location they feel like, it seems more likely that they would place it after one of the more recent installments.
>>342042147
This has always been the dumbest fucking fanwank.
The player is, for all intents and purposes, "the spirit of the hero." The fact that you're even fucking playing as him and that his default name is Link despite that not being part of "the legend" is enough proof the WW Link is the hero reincarnated, it was just because the Triforce of Courage was physically fucking busted that it was ever in doubt.
WW fanboys just love that narrative of "WW Link is SPECIAL because he wasn't the chosen one!" because it's great for their circlejerking purposes.
>>342041051
Retarded.
>>342048829
WHAT THE FUCK
>>342066653
They seem to be a bit more careful with the games they've made since announcing the timeline honestly. The one exception is SS being before MC the "hat origin".
>>342066486
Oh fuckand what if Zelda is actually the leader of New Hyrule since her bloodline only continued in New Hyrule and is no longer present in Old Hyrule.
>yfw is literally a fight between courage and wisdom for power.
>>342066486
It's funny how the cycle is almost meticulously designed to occur whenever Hyrule is in a period of a golden age and a potential technology boom, only having Ganon or some other evil force tear it all down thanks to the fact there's no Link around to save it.
So far from what we've seen the adult timeline is the only era where its people are getting away with all of their technological and scientific advancements scotch-free.
...for now.
>>342066570
>replace the left with "what neo-Nintendo and underage thinks Majora's Mask looks like" and the right with "what the original Majora's Mask actually looks like."
>>342065158
I'd love it if he came back, he was one of the more fascinating characters and an enigma until the end and the fact that the children on the moon look like him behind their masks has some seriously bizarre implications. But I doubt they'll ever expand on that since MM was already a sequel game. Most likely they'll just make him a shopkeeper again.
>>342045610
>Technically Zelda 3
>Zelda 3
Honestly if they just made a straight up sequel to Zelda 1 and Link's Adventure I'd be so happy.
why do people think this is in ww timeline? there's only one timeline where ganondorf loses his mind and becomes a pig beast/demon permanently and that's the decline timeline. this is probably after Zelda 2.
>>342066486
>>342066820
Could it be possible then for the BotW Link tohave to fight against the Hero of the Winds Link lineage, I.E. the Link from Spirit Tracks?
>>342046557
what if we forgot the forced timeline bullshit altogether
>>342067128
>have to fight against the Hero of the Winds Link lineage, I.E. the Link from Spirit Tracks?
his descendant if anything, but who would have the triforce of courage?
>>342067057
Because of Koroks (even though they've taken the form before) and a stone slab that has Rito on it (it also has oocoo on it).
>>342067057
the koroks
>>342048829
I'm betting it's Skyloft honestly. It kind of has the same general shape, too.
Just more proof that a timeline convergence is happening.
>>342066858
Maybe the Goddesses are afraid that eventually mere mortals will catch up to them and are orchestrating everything so Hylians and the other sentient races never evolve past a certain point. Or maybe I've been watching too much Kamen Rider Agito.
>>342067247
tingle is in ww but it isn't in the child timeline. although, the great deku tree is presumed to be dead in decline. that also could lead to them becoming koroks, sent out in a last ditch effort to find a new forest to plant a new great deku tree.
>>342066570
It's hard to agree with you if you don't point out what's wrong with it. Also I never browse Zelda threads so I don't know the context of your image but it looks like some reverse troll thing and makes no sense.
>>342067001
>the only actual screenshot of MM throughout the entire image is on the right and from the remake
>>342067057
What others have said, and pic related. Admittedly, it could just be remnants from the Sand Sea from SS.
>>342067128
Nah, Link vs Link bullshit irks me as edgy 13 years old fan fiction. Links are heroes, they're pure of heart. If two Links ever meet, I want them to team up. Maybe the two Links together can put an end to the feud between the Hyrules.
>>342067303
There was a floating city in TP... and in MC.
>>342067459
Not sure how a plateau would somehow become lush grass again.
>>342067459
>>342067269
>>342067247
how would ganondorf become so insanely powerful that he loses his temporal form with a blade through his head?
>>342067563
...That's way better than the shit I said. I just like the trope of fighting the main character from a previous game in the sequel.
>>342050019
Hyrule Historia.
>>342067658
It got pulled out, releasing a brain damaged, rampaging spirit Ganon.
>>342067628
But the one in TP doesn't have the same general flatland shape as the one is SS. Not sure about MC though, never played that one honestly.
>>342067775
why would the water recede from hyrule? global warming? even then, the flood was divine intervention and I doubt anything outside of malicious intent could pull that off.
>>342067563
It's going to happen eventually though, because half of the plots in Zelda literally come off as some 13-year old's fanfiction. It was the basis for HW as well.
Whether they we have to end of up fighting them or teaming up with them is debatable, though.
>>342067982
Probably something to do with the Koroks trying to bring back old Hyrule. All speculation, but I could see Nintendo revisiting the Wind Waker universe.
>>342067982
>why would the water recede from hyrule?
Because the Koroks' trees sucked it out.
It's obvious gentlemen.
>>342067810
MC has a 2D map, so you never see the whole island or its real shape. People are still living there, but are somewhat isolationist.
As different as they may seem, the floating land in TP is the inspiration for the floating land in SS, and arguably the same place.
>>342068153
no, this implies that they literally make the islands bigger. not that they suck out the water
>>342067982
Because it's not the Adult Timeline.
Hyrule would have mountains (with islands at the top) jettisoning into the sky where the former sea level was.
And as you said, the water won't recede. Daphnes made a wish on the Triforce to forever lock it away. It's gone, done, never coming back outside of New Hyrule in ST (which isn't the same).
Besides the Temple of Time exists, meaning it can only be directly after OoT/MM, in either of the timelines, and we can rule out OoT->WW due to the flood story. So it's either MM->TP or OoT->TP, plenty of time is between those games to explain the Temple of Time's ruin, there is literally no other explanation or place for it to fit due to the Temple of Time.
>>342067446
That image is dumb and I'm not even sure who it's supposed to bait. MM had its dark moments but it wasn't heavy-handed about it. I mean, it's the game that introduced pic related and the hand in the toilet begging you for toilet paper.
>>342068153
Lets think...theyve done this yearly for at least a guaranteed 100-200+ years...Yeah I can see this sucking up the great sea after a while.
also ww hd looks nice.
>>342068353
what's the difference? eventually the islands would literally become regular land right?
>>342068597
The amount of trees required would be insanely vast, for more than a few centuries. Their roots would have to reach all the way to the ocean floor as well.
It's just not possible and that's defying the Triforce and Goddesses/Gods' wills too. Besides the Kokiri forest location is underwater in BotW's map, that easily explains the Koroks.
>>342068749
yeah, with statue ganondorf laying forgotten with a sword that only the hero can remove stuck in his head.
>>342068749
Yes, but they'd be incredibly high up in the sky. It'd be like Thousand Needles from Warcraft for instance, only far far larger.
>>342043935
>thinks elf-ears means furry
>>342068153
How the fuck do trees making islands bigger?
>>342068851
People seem to forget that only a hero can remove the Master Sword.
And as we know the Temple of Time is in ruins, so it no longer rests there, and instead is in the forest.
It's between OoT/ALttP.
>>342069173
They don't, that's why it's just a dream.
>>342063486
Plenty of the other games had definitive endings. The Master Sword slept forever in ALttP, but that doesn't stop shit from happening after it.
>All this sci-fi stuff
>Skyward Sword just had straight fucking robots and AI
What happened to old fashioned magic
>>342068839
>>342068597
>>342068534
>>342068153
While I personally feel like this new game will probably come after TP, we do all need to be honest enough with ourselves to admit that all Nintendo needs to do to literally place anywhere, is to place a few lines of dialogue to explain how. The explanation doesn't even have to make much sense. They have been known to flood worlds with a comic book.
![[GomenRider]_Masked_Rider_Agito_-_16v2_[D5F5CDD9].mkv-2014-06-28-08h46m07s104.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/mXUytlP.jpg "[GomenRider] Masked Rider Agito - 16v2 [D5F5CDD9].mkv-2014-06-28-08h46m07s104")
>>342067343
good taste anon
>>342069492
It never really existed to begin with.
We Clarke's 3 Laws now.
>>342069492
Zelda had ancient tech for quite awhile now.
>>342069473
Exactly, hell you use the Master Sword in ALBW which is after ALttP.
God damn it, why is the Zelda timeline such a clusterfuck of bad decisions?
>>342069175
The Master Sword looks so rusty while in ALttP it`s almost brand-new.
I`m more of a fan of the theory that it`s a sequel to Adventure of Link, but only time will show us what the actual truth is.
>>342069803
Now that I know someone is in the master sword, I kinda want her to show up again, just to confirm she is doing alright. SS retroactively make the WW ending extra tragic.
>>342069782
Because Nintendo tried to explain it canonically.
>>342070096
>retroactively make the WW ending extra tragic.WW ending is the "end" of the timeline, right? Master Sword forever embedded in dorf's head, and Hyrule destroyed, right?
>>342069803
Well you can be sure that you restore the Master Sword at some point in BotW
>>342070460
End of the series main struggle in one timeline.
>>342070460
It's the end of Hyrule
Non-timeline related question. Someone brought this up in another thread but didn't include an explanation, why was there a Georgian mansion in the forest in OoT? And what the heck was going on at the bottom of the well and the Shadow Temple? Who was being executed?
>>342070460
Unless they write new events, Fi is forever embedded in Ganon's corpse.
>>342070529
>>342070590
So according to canon it's not really possible for BotW to take place post WW?
>>342070460
PH and ST, anon. WW is the end of old hyrule.
>>342070631
>Who was being executed?
Hyrule apparently had a very violent history prior to the peace between tribes in OoT
>>342069782
It made sense until they had to make a 3rd one to explain the 2D games.
>>342070631
Better question. Why is the slab of meat from Zelda 1 decorating the architexture of the Forest Temple?
>>342057660
>EXPLAIN WHY THE HELL THE KOKIRI CAN'T LEAVE THE FOREST THEN?
They actually can though, in the ending of OoT Mido is sitting around in Lon Lon Ranch.
>>342070727
It's a work of fiction. Literally anything can be written. WW itself, contradicted existing canon when it was made.
>>342070727
Unless they completely subvert Wind Waker's ending. See: >>342061337
>>342068584
MM fans were mad that the remake removed the rainbow stairs from the original. That's it.
>>342070631
You have at least 4 different races in a small area, there was surely war and war prisoners. The mansion could had been anyone's, but likely an asset of the Imperial Family.
>>342070727
Anything is possible. People telling you that Ganon is dead forever are ignoring the fact that we've had multiple games where Ganon is either revived or his revival is attempted (or, in the case of FSA, we just plain get a reincarnation, rendering their whole point moot).
>>342070935
Ok that makes sense.
I still like this idea. >>342052692
>>342070935
Bro they were already hinting towards the sea receding IN WIND WAKER
Did you skip the Korok sidequest?
>>342071243
Good point. It's worth noting that this Ganon is distinct from previous Ganons, given that he's called Calamity Ganon.
Wouldn't be surprised if BotW nicely fit into the adult timeline.
>>342070631
>Forest Temple
There's a popular theory out there in that the forest temple was actually an escape fortress created for the Hyrule Royal family or Hylian nobles during the civil war. But it was invaded and thus all of the nobles, guards and soldiers stationed there were slaughtered within it, which explains the poe sisters, the stalfos and all of the other creepy undead stuff that somehow inhabits it.
>Shadow Temple
The game makes it pretty apparent that it was a series of torture chambers and concentration camps created and used by the Sheikah and the Royal family during the Civil war. It was later covered up in an attempt to build Kakariko over it.
tldr; the N64 Zeldas were dark as fuck once you looked past the surface and noticed all of the crazy shit happening in these dungeons and the like.
>>342071281
Even if the seas receded, which I don't understand how, Hyrule would be no more.
King Hyrule wished for it's destruction.
The entire point of Wind Waker's ending was to let go of the past, you can't bring back the old Hyrule after that.
>>342071107
>>342070631
OOT was originally envisioned as a 3D remake of LTTP. The grove in front of the mansion was designed as the 3D equivalent of LTTP's resting place for the Master Sword. The mansion there, was made to replace the Temple of Time, when the temple was moved into Castle Town by plot changes. With the exception of the ToT, the geographic layout of Hyrule Castle and Castle Town in OOT, mirror the placement and layout of the Hyrule Castle and city ruins in LTTP. It's no accident that Castle Town is in ruins in the OOT future. It's also no accident that the ToT was placed in the woods in TP as originally envisioned.
>>342071094
Oh, I see now. Without context it looks like it's reverse trolling people who praise MM too much for being "dark" but both sides seemed stupid and incongruous with the actual game so I wasn't sure what to make of it.
>>342071528
Man, if true then Sheikah are fucking terrifying. Kind of weird how the royal family's misdeeds are sort of glossed over, I guess it would paint Zelda in a pretty negative light by association.
>>342071818
This is probably true but it's fun to try to fill in the blanks they left. It definitely comes across as more of a mansion than an actual temple and the ghost hauntings make it pretty curious.
>>342041051
This is, without a doubt, the most autistic theory I have fucking heard. Jaysus christ this is stupid.
>Bad shit happens causing major tribes to live on areas high above what was once the ground.
>Tribe of hyper-intelligent people go into space and are locked in cryostasis
>Protagonist is a member of this tribe, and is sent to main world
Someone's been playing Skies of Arcadia, it seems.
DUN DUN DUN DUDUN
DUN DUN DUN DUDUN
>>342041051
I thought that was a screenshot of Outcast,
What the fuck are nintendo doing?
We don't know that the old king died.
You never actually see him die, or anything that even implies his fate
It's possible that he survived by magic or whatnot and once Hyrule unflooded, he was able to reclaim his kingdom
I imagine that he probably took the master sword out of Ganondorf's head to put back into the sacred pedestal (wherever the hell it is, since it sure isn't in the temple of time anymore) and by doing so released Ganondorf's evil spirit, thus creating Calamity Ganon.
Of course, I'm curious - where are the lost woods, and why do they keep moving?
In Ocarina of Time, the Temple of Time is in northern Hyrule, and the lost woods are far to the south.
In Twilight Princess, the lost woods are still far to the south, but now so too is the Temple of Time.
In this game, the Temple of Time is far to the south, now just next to Lake Hylia which for some reason is now just next to the temple, and the lost woods are nowhere to be seen.
Why is Zelda's world always so inconsistent?
So the robots are called Guardians... So are these robots.
Why does everything built by the Sheikah want to kill you so much all the time?
>>342074194
Geography is never consistent in the games because if it was then the setting would get fucking old real fast.
>>342070631
Is the Forest Temple the Snowpeak Mansion in Twilight Princess?
>game likely takes place in Adult timeline, centuries after ST
>Hyrule unflooded, but in ruins
>the old one was kinda beaten up, so they built a new Hyrule castle and people slowly began to settle the land
>WHOOPS
>Ganon returns
>gets sealed in Hyrule Castle
As a result, the following I hope happens:
>Ganon trapped in Hyrule castle
>As link is exploring Hyrule, he can come across the WW Hyrule castle
>Spooky ruins filled with soldier stalfos and whatnot
And now here comes the part where I bring in unreasonable expectations (as if the above wasn't already unreasonable enough)
>tfw Skyrim hearthfire DLC in Zelda vanilla game
>renovate WW castle
>>342074351
It's how they test the heroes I guess.
>>342074480
No, but they're certainly similar in architecture, which gives credit to the "royal family hide-a-way" theory.
>>>/vg/145848604
So is this a simple continuity nod, or is this a legit hint that the people of TP are aware of the other two timelines?
I wonder if my following question will ever be answered:
Are the timelines alternate universes, like Termina to Hyrule, or are they all still considered the same reality, but simply different times, and as such do not exist to each other?
For instance, take Twilight Princess
In that timeline, there's a portal to Termina. Imagine Hyrule as a Walkie Talkie sending the word "Hello" on Channel 1. Termina is sending the word "Goodbye" on channel 1, and as such can communicate. These signlas are being sent to a reciever on channel 1 that sees both signals since they're both on the same channel, but recognizes them as different content due to the different words. Now imagine that there are two more walkie talkies, one set to channel 2 and one set to channel 3. They are both also saying "Hello", but are on different channels, and as such cannot communicate with the other walkie talkies or with the reciever. Even though they contain the same content as the channel 1 "Hello" walkie talkie, they will never be visible to that reciever and for all intents and purposes do not exist to the reciever.
In this case, imagine the channel to be the time continuum/timeline and the word being said to be the universe. Lastly, imagine the reciever to be the plane of reality, uncluding all universes in its timeline. Even though the three "Hello" walkie talkies are all the exact same universe, they are all different timelines and do not exist to each other nor are they visible or known to each other.
However, even though the Termina walkie talkie is a different universe, it is on the same channel as the Child Timeline walkie talkie and as such can communicate with (i.e. send stuff back and forth from) it.
That's what I think it is, but I hope I'm wrong, since I'd love to see intertimeline travel.
(continued)
>>342074194
Consider the idea that all the games are being told by a story teller. Assuming that the Temple of Time is actually a fixed building in a fixed location, then the disparity is from the story teller. If most of the games put the Temple of Time and the Master Sword in the woods, then they probably really are in the woods. The story that puts the temple in the city, was being told a little wrong. Let multiple games vote to describe a more accurate Hyrule.
>>342074527
To what fucking end?
>>342074610
(continued 2/2)
Though, technically speaking, since one of the timelines (the child timeline) was created with time travel shenanigans and one technically erased itself (Downfall timeline - ALTTP Link wishes that Ganon had never entered the sacred realm; this allows OoT Link to fulfill his prophecy and defeat Ganon, thus meaning that the ALTTP timeline cannot happen from the perspective of someone living in OoT), this means that, from the perspective of say, an immortal being born in the time of Skyward Sword, they would eventually find themselves in the Wind Waker timeline.
With this in mind, however, it should be noted that, from the perspectives of people in those timelines, the events of the games before OoT did happen, even if, from the perspective of a fortune teller from those times, the events of the games from the Child and Downfall timelines don't. So, with that in mind, the Adult timeline is technically a one-way door; that is to say that if someone from Twilight Princess traveled back in time (even further than Link did in the Temple of Time) to the time of Four Swords, and then they traveled forward back to the time of Twilight Princess, they would find themselves under a mile of water, as they would be in the default (Adult) timeline.
>>342074351
Maybe they were built to protect Hyrule, but we're corrupted.
>>342074703
Who knows. Maybe they're the real chosen race of the goddesses.
>>342069803
I wouldn't put too much stock in the illustrations, pic related is supposed to be the same Link after alland the one on the right is older.
>>342074868
I'm pretty sure they were never supposed to be the same Link until Hyrule Historia retconned it.
>>342074527
Aren't temples supposed to guard important shit? guess they're there for preventing random nobodies get their hands into what's inside
>>342042147
>>342042567
>>342042851
>>342043028
>>342043454
>>342045021
>>342045365
>>342045854
>>342047096
>"...walk like them until they must walk like you"
>>342069492
>Skyward Sword just had straight fucking robots and AI
It made sense though. They were powered by an ancient electric dragon god, so humans had an advantage to develop electronic technology. Because they had an electric dragon god.
Technology through magic. But not magitech.
>>342069803
>The canon ending of Zelda II was that Link failed because holy shit what the fuck Nintendo
BUT WHAT DOES IT MEAAAAN
WHY ARE THE SHEIKAH SO INVOLVED WITH THIS PLOT
WHAT IS THE FUCKING ENDGAME
>>342075013
Is that Dragon God the same as Valoo? Is Valoo a descendant of them? Never played SS.
Actually, on second thought, I think Valoo is a descendant of Volvagia
>>342075092
>start Zelda II
>get caught by Moblins in Hyrule field
>die
>turns out I set the world record for fastest speedrun of Zelda II's main story
>the rest of the game is actually just bonus content
>>342075135
>Power
>Wisdom
>no Courage
Get fucking good Sheikah
>>342049257
wind waker's was pretty close imoshame about the game
>>342075135
>>342075303
>power and wisdom are the Sheikah tenants
>no courage
>that's why Zelda hid for 7 years waiting for link to rescue her sorry ass instead of taking matters into her own hands
>Zelda and Ganon are part of the hylian illuminati
>link is their pawn
>>342074868
Different artist though. Since OoT, Yusuke Nakano has been the main illustrator for Zelda games. He tried to recreate the classic look but within his style.
I wish the artwork for the remake of ALttP looked like Oracles instead of generic anime.
>>342074941
Nope, he definitely was. At the end of Oracles Link goes away in a tiny raft. Cue to Link's Awakening.
>>342075135
BUT WASN'T IT LINK THAT SAVED HYRULE TIME AND TIME AGAIN
WHAT THE FUCK
>>342075135
Maybe BoTW will finally explain the end-game of the Sheikah.
I doubt it though, more like scratch the surface of their true intentions.
>>342043687
>Rad neo-'80s future slut Zelda
Fucking YES
>>342075185
>Is that Dragon God the same as Valoo? Is Valoo a descendant of them? Never played SS.
Unlikely. They look like japanese gods.
Zoras and Ritos have lame gods.
>>342070631
Because Hyrule changes over time. Closest place to it would be Lake Hylia in MC in location.
>>342074480
It's not, they're on opposite sides of the map. Likely just a random mansion before the Kokiri lived there and they'd capture people who got lost in the woods and do horrible things to them in some of the darker rooms of the mansion, likely practicing black magic. They end up becoming the Poe Sisters.
>>342056672
before they were kokiri, they had another shape, the deku tree says that
>>342075303
Yeah, it looks like they inevitably achieved that by creating this artificial clone/robo-Link though.
>>342075547
>Maybe BoTW will finally explain the end-game of the Sheikah.
I thought they were just servants of Hylia, and since the royal family are her descendants they kept at it.
>>342075668
Stop this
This is the dumbest theory yet
>>342075567
>valoo
>lame
Hey, fuck you. Valoo wasadorableand so was Jabu-Jabu.
>>342075547
>devs said we'd want to go back and play Twilight Princess after this game
>yfw the Sheikah village from Twilight Princess is in this game
>>342054739
Oh hey, I know you!
I called you out on being a shitposter on /m/ yesterday or the day before! Seems you really do use that image to mark off if you're shitposting.
http://desustorage.org/_/search/filename/1462325113987.png/
https://boards.fireden.net/_/search/filename/1462325113987.png/
>>342076003
Maybe some Sheikah are related to the twili too. I expected them to be related to the Gerudo though.
>>342074941
Well they are now but even if we disregard that, these are both illustrations of Zelda from the first game, maybe it's a better example.
>>342075415
That's what I mean, the different illustrators aren't always consistent so one should take their art as evidence of something with a grain of salt.
>>342076139
>that metaphoric cutscene in Twilight Princess where a bunch of Links are fighting over the Triforce wasn't metaphoric
>it was Breath of the Wild
>The Sheikah, also known as the Shadow Folk, are a race in The Legend of Zelda series.
The fucking Shadow Folk.
>They are a mysterious and secretive tribe with pointed ears, red eyes and shadowy magic abilities.
Shadowy magic abilities like those of the Interlopers. Remember the Howling Stones in Twilight Princess? The ones that summoned the soul of a hero back from the grave? Those had the Sheikah eye on them.
>They are the chosen guardians of the goddess Hylia and later the protectors of the descendants of her mortal incarnation, the Royal Family of Hyrule.
The Sheikah have been with the royal family from their inception. They told the Royal Family all of THEIR legends. They say they are the chosen ones of goddesses they don't even worship.
>They are also the founders of Kakariko Village, which would become one of the main settlements of Hyrule.
They founded a village on top of the ruins of massive torture chambers that still house human remains. Almost all the walls that aren't brick in the Shadow Temple are made of human bones, mostly skulls.
In Breath of the Wild, a lot of effort is being put into making you trust the Sheikah. The Old Man, likely Daphnes (since he's not fucking green like Ganondorf always is and has the blunt topped soul patch atop his beard that Daphnes does), refuses to discuss them at length.
I wonder if the evil blood magicians serving the Royal Family finally got sick of playing servant. Sheikah guardians can be seen storming the Temple of Time for fuck's sake.
>>342076223
>That's what I mean, the different illustrators aren't always consistent so one should take their art as evidence of something with a grain of salt.
Yeah but the illustrators have been consistent since OoT. Nakano is also the artist for this game, as well as SS, TP, WW, MC, Oracles and OoT/MM.
And usually direct sequels keep the artstyle.
>>342076031
The fact you somehow have been following this fucking guy is probably the most entertaining shit I've seen on /v/ today.
>>342070631
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVJOVIJFMKk
>>342076441
You're missing the most obvious thing. In Wind Waker, the Sheikah were referred to as "no good pirates" by Tetra.
Sure, she only says that about the occupants of the Forsaken Fortress..
But what do we see plastered right on the door of the ship where Gannondorf lives?
>>342076859
Shiiiiiiiiit
>>342075135
I'm glad that we're seeing more Sheikah in this game. Up until now they've always been represented only by Impa mainly as either ninjas or nannies. With the current Impa from SS, I can easily see them as something like a Chozo like demigod race that served the Goddess Hylia in opinion to the monsters and demon lords led by Demise.
Here's hoping that they also bring back more Gerudo too.
Speaking of Chozo, does the new game seem too much like Metroid? I know Nintendo removed the villages from the demos, but the isolation of the wilderness reminds me of walking around like Samus with no other NPCs to talk to.
>>342077012
>does the new game seem too much like Metroid?
Doesn't give me that impression at all, metroid is usually more claustrophobic while Zelda has huge open areas.
It looks like Zelda to me, but at full potential
>>342076859
>But what do we see plastered right on the door of the ship where Gannondorf lives?
MASAKA!
>>342076565
Well the illustration the discussion rose from was from ALttP so I think the point still stands but
>Nakano is also the artist for this game, as well as SS, TP, WW, MC, Oracles and OoT/MM.
Damn, that guy's versatile. Looking into it tough, it seems he doesn't always have the same level of involvement in every title so it's a little ambiguous still but it probably is more reliable than the older art at least.
>>342076859
All the sheikah don't have to be there. Ganondorf himself could have put up that decoration. He was raised in an all-female village, so of course he is into home decor.
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