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WoW...really makes you think...
>"It is something of a triumph for a company where, Singleton claims, “piracy has been a huge problem for many, many years.” The problem has been further exacerbated, Singleton says, by P2P networks, which make it far easier for people to share cracked games. “Right now Denuvo is one step ahead,” says Singleton. “It's the culmination of years of dedication and experience from the team problem solving one of our biggest problems.”
>“The PC is still seen as a piracy platform by most publishers,” says Goebl. “Publishers claim that there is between 80-97 percent piracy for PC games, but these numbers are always hard to verify. Regardless, piracy cannibalizes sales, not only on PC but also on console if a pirated PC version is shared illegally. Many of our clients have indicated that the absence of a cracked PC version on the day of a game’s launch makes the platform more viable.”
Denuvo has helped PC game sales.
Prove me wrong.
>>342016510
I don't even care if denuvo actually helps sales or not, I just like hearing pirates bitch about it
>>342016510
The are literally blaming piracy for all evils in the world lmao
>>342016510
Get ready for a barrage of posts with typical piratefag excuses and the occasional claim that piracy actually HELPS sales somehow kek
>>342016510
Libera me?
>>342016807
You are the one making the claim. Prove yourself right.
Pirates like to stick their head in the ground and pretend the shitty state of the gaming industry isn't related to their actions. Generic phone app games aimed at the working office crowd with disposable income, toy and gimmick games for autistic collectors and children who have access to mom, dudebro Mountain Dew fueled shooters and series that keep stacking sequels on, DLC and preorder bonuses with Season's Passes. It all stems from pirates not buying anything, and inflated companies shifting to audiences that will.
Stopping piracy won't instantly fix things, but it's a start.
Denovu games sales are worse than no denuvo kek
>>342016807
>Burden of proof
>>342017562
true
>>342016510
>mfw i only buy games from GOG
>mfw i am anti DRM and Denuvo games have lost me as a consumer from the start
Great thread OP and more power to GOG!
>when the lil' poorcuckies get all rump rustled about Denuvo
piracy actually helps sales somehow
>>342016510
>really makes you think
yeah makes me think
makes me think who swallows that bullshit
97 PERCENT
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>>342019649
But i already get my games DRM free on Steam :^)
>>342019943
m-m-muh word of mouth, muthafucka
>>342016510
>pc sales still holding the same as they have been
>tomb raider
>where the crack?
>just cause 3
>is there a crack yet
>total warhammer
>the crack is coming right guys??
Lmao
Also Some people bought the games because no crack, how is this a bad thing again?
i hate capitalism
>>342020324
i'd be curious to see if sales gained even offsets the cost of using denuvo in the first place
>>342020324
>Also Some people bought the games because no crack, how is this a bad thing again?
We won't know until some time passes.
Same as we can't know how popular those franchises would be without piracy.
>>342020562
Pretty damn hard to measure, I'd imagine.
>>342020546
>I hate the only reason video games exist at all
>I hate the only reason the Western world has the highest living standards on earth
t. first year college student
>>342020324
The people who only pay after they play are not buying the games.So nothing really has changed.
Well except that they had to pay extra for the DRM.Soooo they might even be loosing money from the application of DRM.
Look at GOG for example.They are cutting the costs of implementing and licensing DRM and they are still selling games.
And so ends the great Age of Piracy.
I love it.
>>342020775
>I hate the only reason video games exist at all
Mate I get your point but I think you should analyze how fucking retarded this line you wrote is.
>>342020324
I passed on all denuvo games except warhammer, which i was going to buy either way, even if its a total shitheap of a game, because fuck me and my warhammer addiction.
>>342016510
I don't really care if those numbers are true.
Seeing piratefags crying is more satisfying than anything else. Here's hoping Denuvo will be somewhat implemented on consoles too.
>>342016510
In early June, someone posed as an indie developer and contacted Denuvo sales asking for a price quote to protect a game. The sales rep came back with ~$100k, which is an absolutely trivial amount of money for any publisher.
>>342020763
We won't ever know for an individual game. The best you can get is a guesstimate which is why every publisher relies on the gut feeling that there's so much piracy that any anti-piracy tool pays for itself.
However, from a bunch of articles I've read over the years my understanding is that statistically piracy doesn't appear to have much of an effect on anything and may even improve popularity due to word of mouth advertisement. Research also suggests that pirates as a group spend more on media than any other group.
>>342021279
>$100k
You understand that for those money you can probably make an indie game and sell it right?
>>342021279
>100k
>trivial
Yea, for AAA companies maybe, but for indies that shit is pretty much how much they put into the game.
>>342021221
>Denuvo will be somewhat implemented on consoles too.
What would be the point of that
there has never been a good game with denuvo attached
it's literally a scam to trick players into buying crappy products by restricting information about the product (obviously if more people have a product, information will flow more freely, can't have that)
>>342021041
total warhammer is fun desu
Just needs some tweaks and more stuff
The new sherlock holmes uses denuvo. A literally who game from a literally who dev. Piracy is fucked unless this gets cracked.
>>342021692
Translation: I can't play it for free, so it must suck! Wah, wah!
Doom was great.
name a single good game with denuvo. the only thing that happened is that I can longer try the latest shit AAA releases myself and spend my time playing something I actually enjoy
>>342021692
In this day and age you can't restrict anything because its up on YouTube. There is no excuse for piracy anymore
NINETY
FUCKING
SEVEN
PERCENT PIRACY RATE
THINK OF ALL THAT LOST MONEY
SKYRIM SOLD BILLIONS OF DOLLARS?
THAT'S ONLY 3% OF THE MONEY THEY COULD HAVE MADE IF THOSE FUCKING BRAZILIANS AND RUSSIANS DIDN'T PIRATE THEIR GAMES
>>342021448
>>342021563
That's why he said "for any publisher".
>>342022037
whoa... really makes you think, huh?
>>342021618
To fuck console piratefags in the ass.
>>342021692
Doom and Warhammer are both great though.
Doesn't matter what I say though, you'll just claim they're shit.
>people are actually defending drm on /v/
What have we become
>>342020816
GOG are also ran by pollock for potatoes and vodkas. And it claim to fame is "we dont drm, guise" . Anybody who attempt to make his own gog will bankrupct in a month.
game sales have been the same or slightly lower since everything is now denuvo and the best selling titles have no drm.
HURDUR PIRACY IS EVIL.
>>342022037
Sorry you can't afford a third Jacuzzi Todd
>>342022130
console piracy only happens when its pirated on the PC first
>>342021985
NuDoom.
>piracy
the solution to piracy is, and always will be, providing a better service for the users so that it's easier and more convenient for them to buy games than to pirate.
for me, digital distribution helped a lot with games, rather than pirate something I can just buy it on the steam sale.
same with music, I can just use spotify, much easier
tv/movies are almost there, but there's far too many fragmented services out there, though netflix seem to have the right idea
>>342022230
Wow, I can pirate Mario 3DS and Bloodborne on PC?
Have you noticed that Denuvo protected games never get any buzz on the Internet?
>just cause 3
>mirrors edge 2
>doom
>tomb raider
All games that came and went. Just cause 2 has a community to this day, people were asking for a new mirrors edge for years, and now I never hear anyone talking about these games.
I think pirates do a lot of viral marketing for games.
>>342018537
Underrated post
>>342020271
Sauce for that loli?
>>342022235
I hear a lot of buzzwords about it, and people who like other modern releases praising it, but not much about how its good
>>342021692
>restricting information about the product
review
user review
twitch
jewtube
online forums
...
we dont lack information. we are saturated by it. unless you want to know about your weebshit or indie #2343420 nobody plays.
>>342022437
underrated samefag
>>342022481
If a game is good theres nothing much to talk about. "Doom was fun, huh?" "Yup. I agree". And then you move on.
>80-97%
>but we have no proof, trust us goyim
That's why denuvo games are such massive successes right?
Herr Goebl?
>>342021985
Doom,total warhammer,mgs v
>piracy is wrong but not having game demos is fine
they won't let people try their game because they know it's shit
if they know it's shit, why the fuck would i buy it
>>342022585
they forgot to add a nigger and a mary sue into the game.
get it into your memo, todd
>>342016510
I still hate it because it means that one day the game will never be playable again
I don't pirate but I like that cracks exist to preserve games
>>342022676
There is a demo for Doom and Steam refunds exist.
>>342022793
pretty sure that demo ended already. its like 15 minutes anyways
Piratekeks on suicide watch.
>>342022676
Read many different reviews.
Look at gameplay videos.
There, you now have an idea of how the game is.
>>342022417
Piracy is an litmus test for games.
Good games immediately come up and the pirates start raving. Some people just get the crack, but a bunch of people who didn't even know the game existed go and grab it from the advice of frankly the least biased source on the internet: They don't pay for it, they aren't paid for it; They're perfectly unbiased reviewers.
Bad games get called out and they start shitposting about them. Funnily, this probably helps their sales a bit too because of the Barbra Streisand effect. Weekly figures nose-dive however, because of the massive negative press.
Denuvo is an impressive tool and works exactly as intended: Pity the real way to combat piracy is to polish a game and make it worth the asking price in the first place.
>>342023016
that's like saying riding in a car let's you know what it feels like to drive it
>>342022676
>having game demos
did you demofags see any press demos in your entire life?
They can give you exactly that. And the rest of the game can still be turd.
>>342022767
DRM isn't designed (or sufficiently well made) to be uncrackable, in the case of something like denuvo it's designed to be as tedious and timeconsuming as possible to crack, making sure that the first few weeks or months of a game's lifespan, where it makes the most money, doesn't have a pirated copy around the place. If there's sufficient desire for it they will get cracked eventually.
>>342023109
There are reviews and videos about cars too, you know. Not all car stores let you try a car either.
>>342022316
Spotfy is the cancer that's killing the music industry and are always trying to jew out musicians. At least with a paid services like prime musicians earn more
http://www.vgchartz.com/game/83146/homefront-the-revolution/
>Global Total as of 21st May 2016 (units): 0.05m
>>342018012
>>342018743
More and more AAA game releases start to use it. Surely publishers are wrong and you are right.
>>342016510
And yet the games that have denuvo didnt have the supposed x33 times sales increase. In fact the only game that had denuvo and sold well was total warhammer. I game that I believe would sell great piracy or not.
Still though its great that denuvo exists, now jews will blame used game sales and IRL game sharing for their shitty sales.
>>342023302
musicians make most of their money from live performances.
>80%-97%
Lolno
Irrespective of where you lie on this issue, it's 100% bullshit.
>>342023016
>reading shills and watching pewdiepie retards shriek while playing a game is the same as playing a game
>>342016807
Every denuvo game that isn't an online game has tanked. Checkmate.
>>342023416
Because of free streaming services like spotfy giving only a quarter of a penny to the artist
I feel bad for the person who hired these schmucks thinking they had any ounce of knowledge of PC gaming if they think Denuvo will stay uncracked forever.
I don't even pirate my games, but damn these people talk as if they made a bulletproof program.
>>342023321
>Shit game has shit sales
Wew. It's not like Denuvo can make a game magically good.
>>342023337
>the games that have denuvo didnt have the supposed x33 times sales increase
because the one who pirate games are 3rd world kid. and there are more kids and people in the 3rd world than where you can afford a full priced video game.
regardless of quality, the sale of those games: good or bad, will be worse without denuvo.
>>342016807
Every single Denuvo game has sold less or the smae than its previous version
>>342023471
MGS V.
>inb4 hurr durr online
Came out months later
>>342023541
no
musicians have always made their money from live performances
>>342023335
So your only argument is that you trust AAA companies not to make retarded decisions? Wew
>>342023589
Total war warhammer was CA's fastest selling total war game
>>342023624
Tanked.
>>342023456
That's why I sad "many". Reading many different opinions help you make your own opinion. And let's play=/=gameplay video.
Sorry piratefag.
>>342016510
>Publishers claim that there is between 80-97 percent piracy for PC games
bunch of bullshit this means if a game sold only 1,000,000 copies that it really sold something like 10 million copies if not for piracy which is total bullshit
>>342023763
Closer to 100m.
>>342023632
I don't see how handling piracy is a retarded decision, they literally don't lose anything from it, except some amount of money on DRM license they would pay regardless
>>342022473
why would she want sauce for her corm?
>>342023541
I bought all of Taylor Swift's albums for less than $50 but seeing her live once was $200 and then another $100 on merchandise at the concert
they have always made the majority of their money off of concerts. How is Spotify any different than the radio which has been around since forever?
There are already games with denuvo that are available for pirates. To be fair,those have not actually cracked the DRM,just bypassed them.
>>342023691
it was also the first total war warhammer game so there's nothing to compare it to
>>342023974
>I bought Taylor Swift's albums
Kill yourself.
>>342023553
They already said that they know it'll be cracked eventually. The point is to prevent piracy in the first few months where the majority of the sales are.
>>342023625
Not true back In the 50s up to the 80s when album sales were strong it was the other way around.
>>342023691
Total Warhammer is one of the more anticipated entry to the Total series.
I am not sure if it comparable to any other Total series anon.
>>342024045
Aside from all the other total war games, since it's not that big a departure from how the other games have worked.
>mfw my steam sale will be pirating all the games with a $5 VPN
>mfw steam cucks will actually pay for "sales" on DRM games and denuvo games and defend it
>charge $75 Cad for game, cause fuck regional pricing
>release on some bullshit like uplay, that is 100x harder and more annoying to get to work than any crack.
>Extra $50 for all the dlc that comes out right away.
>wonder why peoole pirate
Horseshit. If it's any consulation, my console piracy rate is much higher than on PC, i consider that jew gold sony or whomever gave you to make the game not on pC, counts as my cut. I paid for the toaster to play on afterall. And any exclusives should see the revenue drip to them, not my problem if there is 0 margin on it.
>>342022676
Steam should do demos.
do you think developers will stop using denuvo once they realize that it doesnt effect sales? im so scared of the future of gaming
>>342023974
Do you know how much it costs to put on a show that big? Also you are a flaming faggot
>>342024170
Steam has demos
Doom has a demo
>>342024045
yet it sells regardless of backlash from total war autists becaus it isnt historical and the initial lukewarn steam reviews.
>>342020324
good job naming 3 games that sold worse than previous versions without denuvo :)
Just Cause 2, international success millions sold
Just cause 3, evasive bomb, dead game
>>342024154
>listening to crap music
>gets defensive when people don't like his crappy music too
The most annoying part of the piracy debate for me is no one ever posts concrete fucking numbers. It's always opinions and heresay that "X is working!" with no proof.
The only conceivable reason for this is it's an overstated scapegoat for shitty companies to excuse their terrible PC ports or shit games in general.
>>342023894
Supposedly Denuvo's really expensive, and you're yet to provide any proof that it increases game sales. For all we know companies could be operating entirely on "what if" which has nothing to do with reality and are just wasting money for nothing.
>>342024123
Why even bring up Denuvo on its own, then, when it's immediately apparent that there's way more factors that go into whether a game sells well or not than just the DRM it uses? It's just a bad argument.
>>342024085
you're the type of person that puts on music nobody else likes when you're handed the aux cable in the car aren't you, like some heavy metal or some shit
>make a Denuvo thread
>it gets filled with GOG shills
>>342024103
That's not really how it traditionally worked with PC games, though. There are more sales in the first few weeks, sure, but the bulk of sales are in the tail end, because it tapers significantly less than for consoles.
I mean look at DA2 for instance. Does that look like a success? Tons of sales for the first couple of weeks, then nothing at all. That's what every denuvo game is going to be now - at best. It's much better to let people pirate the game, tell everyone how great it is, and pay for it 6 months later when they have the spare change for it, for instance - or simply let the people they've convinced to buy it make up for their piracy.
>>342024358
Provide a proof that Denuvo is expensive and then we talk about sales, since data for both of those are in the sales departments of each respective publisher
>paying for denuvo in order to have less sales because no word of mouth
this some funny shit
>>342024170
>demo
you think they cant cobble together the best designed part of the game in a year, make it the demo. And copy paste contents for the rest of the game? In 2016
You think they cant call it alpha/beta to excuse bugs? What they are doing right now?
>>342024324
Doom demo is trash. It didnt even show the part where the fun takes place.
>>342024425
Its like comparing Hyrule Warriors to any other Warriors title.
There's a mix of different IP into it and its skewed the market perception towards said product.
>>342024350
Videogames are created on PCs. Publishers have no reason not to release a game on the same platform they developed it on.
If they don't do it, there must be a very fucking good reason. And piracy on PC is easy as downloading a torrent and replace a ddl file.
>>342024324
>Steam has demos
No.
>Doom has a demo
Yes, but they only released it after the game didn't have enough sales for their liking.
>>342024551
Opinion leaders are quite a good substitute for a word of mouth in social media age
>>342024545
So essentially you have no proof that it helps game sales and are just wasting time? Didn't think you'd admit it so readily.
dilligaf?
>>342024551
>pirates
>word of mouth
are you living in the 90s?
nowadays some youtube fuck can just tweet and million of drones will assault gamestop the next day.
>>342024332
I'm honestly amazed that just cause 2 sold more than 100 or so copies. It's so fucking shit it's literally outdone by most chinese knockoffs of old games.
>>342024342
>listening to crap music
Keep trying to look cool on the internet m8
Cry some more piracy fags.
Your tears are delicious.
>>342024830
Yeah, but how do you think ecelebs choose what games to get? Unless it's the latest AAA halo of duty 2016, through word of mouth.
>>342024729
Of course I don't have a solid proof, I'm not a shill who works in some publisher, I don't have data on their expected sales and how much denuvo actually costs. I'm not the guy making claim to begin with, I'm just saying that there's a lesser chance of publishers being retarded than some random anon who hasn't worked a day in his life.
>>342024167
>using VPNs to pirate
>living in a country where downloading copyrighted media gets you in trouble/jail
>>342025076
> I'm not the guy making claim to begin with,
Apex kek.
>mfw all the major releases from now on will use Denuvo
>mfw even if Denuvo gets cracked "eventually" a new version will be released and it will take even longer to crack
>mfw in a year or two even more companies will release their ow anti tamper software like Denuvo
>mfw piracy is literally over
>>342025076
They've consistently handled piracy in the most pants-on-head retarded ways for not one but two decades. There's absolutely no reason why you should assume Denuvo's any different
Made some OC
>>342025025
>through word of mouth.
That's not what review/sponsored copies mean, anon. Every publisher craves for eceleb attention, not the other way around. Even those who have like 10k subs get review copies nowadays, especially if your channel is specialized, like "for RTS players" or "for new indie pixel shit enthusiasts"
>>342016510
i don't care that much , the only thing that can trigger me are no demos of those games with denuvo.
Most games has no demos , i have to download 20 to 30 gb of the game pirated to prove if it shit or not before actually buying , delete the game and install the original version
I had more problems with dark souls 1 steam , than the pirated version
>>342025314
Based retard.
>>342025025
Hell no, they dont
They just keep tabs on some websites, set steam recommendation, follow publishers on facebook, twitter, official forum, or simply look at their emails...
Publishers have started using them to market their games since years ago m8
>>342025304
Not everyone and they got slapped for it. I don't see how Denuvo works bad for them, for the most part.
>>342023624
MGSV did below expectations for Konami, but I suppose that's for reasons other than it's DRM (which got bypass'd, iirc).
>>342024103
>The point is to prevent piracy in the first few months where the majority of the sales are.
They must be retarded or something.Pirates will just wait.
Plenty of free2play games out there to keep you busy anyways.
How do they even compete with free2play?
>>342025434
Yes, I'm sure ecelebs learn about indie games by following the indie's publisher.
Oh
Wait.
>>342025415
I don't understand
>>342025641
I know you don't understand, Timmy. I know.
>>342025523
Got bypassed a week later. Not in an ideal state initially, but playable.
all of the games I like don't use Denuvo and I have a laptop that can't run AAA games anyways
eat shit small/mid sized developers
>>342025724
I think I'm supposed to get your epic reference or something, but please, never reply to me again
>>342024707
Is there any evidence to suggest how much being a part of the warhammer IP influenced sales? If not, there's no point in arguing either way.
>>342022793
Steam doesn't do full refunds everywhere, my money is stuck on the steam wallet.
>>342024883
whatever fag
>>342022793
If you use steam refunds as a demo system, you get your account banned.
>>342016510
80-97% piracy because that is about the number of people that live in households that cant afford to buy every new game on market or new game at all but are at same time able to buy decent spec pc( ie: http://www.ebay.com/itm/ULTRA-FAST-Quad-Core-4-2Ghz-16GB-1TB-Desktop-Gaming-PC-Computer-AMD-RADEON-R7-/191124576369?hash=item2c7fe99871:g:lfIAAOSwHQ9WXufn).
Lets say you play 20 AAA titles per year; that will cost you about 1000 $ + 399$ for retarded PC that calls itself Xbox + whatever you pay for online experience. Those are starting expenses on the year one and they only keep rising.
People who invest 500-600$ in PC mainly gonna use it for some kind of work ie: design, animation, writing, photo processing or even accounting (because they simply want to have strong pc, not knowing what would they use it for actually).
Those PCs are means to get the work done and are not intended as gaming devices. But here is the twist- they can, if needed, run any game that is currently on market and thanks to piracy they do.
Denuvo will stop piracy- yes
Denuvo will rise sales numbers- no...
...because those who are ready to spit +2000$ per year are not pirating games anyway.
>>342025594
>Yes, I'm sure ecelebs learn about indie games by following the indie's publisher.
most indie worth their salt get into contact with several eceleb.
who do you think know first when a game is released and what it's about? The fucking developers.
And who's the first one they will tell this to? Some guys in the "journalist" and "pr" category
Go to sleep, grandpa. The market has changed.
>>342025778
>you will make threads about those games
>you will participate in the threads about those games
>you will spread good word of mouth if the games are good
>you might even buy the game one day
>eat shit small/mid sized developers
You sure showed them and those AAA games that you were not able to pirate and play will die out and will be never mentioned again.
How many sales did tomb raider have. How many sales did the sequel have.
>>342025312
damn that's bad
>>342024431
>Thinks nobody likes heavy metal
>>342026154
neo-/v/ everybody
>>342016510
And stopping me pirating will never give a sale. It's also not a lost sale if i pirate.
Because games i pirate are ones i wasn't going to buy anyway, just wanted to give it a try.
Once or twice I've bought the game later on if it turns out to be really good.
>>342026342
neo/v/ > dumb shit that hang up on demos and word of mouth in 2016
>>342024653
>>342024719
>Steam has demos
>No it doesn't
>What about Doom?
>lmao not a demo/trash
What the fuck? What about Civ V demo? What about Factoiro Demo? What about 8-bit-armies demo? What about HL2 Demo? What about DoW demos? What about almost every paradox game demos? It's not the issue that Steam doesn't allow demos but the fact that devs don't care. And they have plenty of reason nowadays
>>342026803
You are going to post that chart, the reason is to trick stupid people into buying a game blindly, I bet my ass if the first Watch Dogs had a demo nobody would have bought it.
>>342026852
Nigger I've explained how this shit actually works, if you want to live in your own substitute reality you can do as you please, just don't tell me that I'm wrong.
>>342026342
>"I don't have a good argument against logic."
>"Better keep failing."
>>342026803
Not sure if retarded or just pretending.
>>342026989
Don't see the reason what stopping you from refunding those games, since almost every digital distribution platform on PC has a refund policy nowadays.
What kind of redditor gets mad at people pirating vidya?
>>342027070
>>342027013
>>>/reddit/
>>342026989
Not to mention that basic gameplay research on YT/forums should give you a hell of a good idea what the game is about.
>>342027185
Yes.
>>342018012
>You are the one making the claim. Prove yourself right.
>not a single Denuvo game surpassed 1 million copies
>FC Primal flopped
yawn
>>342027267
(You)
>>342027350
http://steamspy.com/app/364360
>only sold 200k more in the months afterwards
Woops lol
>>342027350
That's a exception,not a trend. If ALL denovu games showed similar results it would be clear evidence.
>>342027350
Thats probably warhammer doing its thing. The warhammer franchise is a pretty big thing, and from what i have seen it brought a lot of fresh blood to the total war games.
>>342027376
This, it's a failure, there's no improvement in sales.
>>342027251
First, money is not stuck in steam wallet, you have the option to choose how to get your money back, this is literally written on the refund page.
Second, unless you're a literal retard that states in the reason that you just wanted to demo the game, they have no right to ban your ass.
When it comes to some regions where you can't refund for some reason: tough luck, use this handy fucking guide >>342027267
>>342027376
>FC Primal flopped
That's because it's a shit game.
really helped mirror's edge...
wait..
>>342027350
DELETE THIS
I'll just wait until i can buy a stolen steamkey for 2$.
>>342027730
Exactly, piracy is irrelevant, it's about the port and general game quality.
>>342027650
Publishers are just too stupid to understand that the best way to ensure sales is to make a great game.
You don't even have to market it that much.We have the internet now.
>>342016510
>can't pirate D44m
>will wait for sale when it's like 10 bucks or something
wew Bethesda, that sure was a sound investment, you'll get 10 WHOLE DOLLARS from me in the next 2 or so years.
>>342027524
There hasn't been a month since it was released
>>342027775
That's out? It's so bad i don't even know it did?
>>342016807
>couldn't pirate MGSV at release
>LE INVINCIBRU WALL ANTI PIRATE HA HA HA
>The torrent for it comes out like 6 months later
>torrent is downloaded hundreds of thousands of times
People who don't want to pay likely won't pay at all
I buy my games from cd key sites to ensure my money doesn't reach studios.
>>342023109
More like watching someone drive it and trying to decide whether or not to buy it.
>>342027963
>>couldn't pirate MGSV at release
Yea you could, there was an easy work around because you could just change your system clock with a specific crack
>>342027963
The shills know that, the publishers know that, they are just pissed that someone might play their game for free.
>>342027864
They would get 0$ if you pirated and saw for yourself that the game is shit.
Their investment return only on you is +10$.
>>342020140
>DRM free on Steam
I wish, too bad Gabe is a big fat jew
>>342019649
>As GoG expands its library any games you own on Steam you can get on GoG for free
Finally holy fuck Gabe actually has competition he'll actually have to do cool shit for his customers
>>342027963
It was cracked a week after, retard. It's like you weren't here when this was happening
>>342028210
What is the actual DRM of steam?
>>342028180
There is no company in the world that'll see that as profit.
>>342028319
Steam is the DRM
>>342023974
>I bought all of Taylor Swift's albums
It sure helped the new Homefront. Such a quality product deserves to be paid for.
>>342028518
What is the ACTUAL DRM of steam though?
>>342021692
Warhammer TW is great\
Also lol at crack addicts using the "try before buy" moral argument when they never buy it, it's just some generic rage against the machine shit
http://steamspy.com/app/203160
http://steamspy.com/app/391220
>>342028378
10$ ? No... But since you are not the only one...
>>342028641
Steam itself and Steamworks. Every game needs to be launched at least once from steam to finalize the installation, even the "DRM free" ones that won't require Steam further
>>342028641
Piss poor is what. But if you're serious, you need to authenticate with steam once before your game is unlocked, so to speak.
Thing is, that check can be bypassed very easily by providing a replacement dll file.
>>342028641
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
steamspy.com/app/379720
http://steamspy.com/app/223100
>>342028790
PIRATES BTFO
http://steamspy.com/app/371660
http://steamspy.com/app/220240
>>342028790
>relatively old game that was on sales multiple times and runs on a toaster and now costs $20
>new game that is worse that the original and even hiend cards struggle with and costs $60
Anon, what if... just think about it for a second... what if the price... anon, are you with me?.. What if the price and the quality of the product can actually affect the popularity of sales more than some random DRM solution? WOAH
>>342029067
how is this an answer to my question?
>>342028628
I just checked steamspy... 46 000 purchases... and still i expected less.
Who are those people ? Did they not play the first game ? Are they all streamers, reviewers and company workers families ?
>>342028645
Can never claim that for everyone, but i do that shit. I usually pirate first, and if i put in more than an hour or two into the game i pretty much always end up buying it.
Too bad i drop most games after a few hours tough.
>>342029175
Sorry, linked to wrong post. The DRM of Steam is Steam itself, the anti-piracy component is Steamworks CEG
>>342029240
It blatantly pandered to the Far Cry audience.
>>342029363
>The DRM of Steam is Steam itself,
that doesn't answer my question
How does steam regulate your shit? how is it EXACTLY DRM
answers like "well steam itself is DRM" doesn't tell me fuck all
>>342029169
>worse than the original
It has several tombs though, nice try.
Inb4 mandatory retina scan to verify legitimate VR game purchase.
>>342029451
Perhaps read some of the other replies to your post that actually told you what the drm part is, autismo.
>>342029451
By forcing you to have the client open, even in offline mode, to play your games. Stop pretending to be retarded.
>>342016807
Witcher 3.
>>342016510
Make a good game if you want people to buy it. Is this really so hard to understand? Ensure that your business model allows for the inevitable losses of piracy. If you don't adapt, or develop a good product in the first place, why the everloving fuck should anyone ever give you a fucking cent? And they call gamers entitled. Holy shit.
>>342029583
>Perhaps read some of the other replies to your post that actually told you what the drm part is, autismo.
none of them did, it was all just "Steam itself is DRM because its steam" and other non-answers
>>342029451
can you run the games without having to use steam
There are very few games i will pay full price for. Like none really. So if i can't pirate it now i can wait till it's in the bargain bin. If i even remember it exists.
>>342029587
>woowww I need open something to play a game
you must hate .exes then
>>342016807
You cant mod denuvo games and that pretty much kills it for me of ever buying a game that has denuvo.
>>342029289
Whether 1-2 hours is enough will depend strongly on the game itself. A game that is fun for 2 hours and then ends abruptly is certainly not worth $60, but you might expect from playing it for 2 hours that it should be lasting you 20, for instance.
Some games get a LOT better past a certain point, some games get a LOT worse (DX:HR is an example of that: past the first 2? missions, alternate paths, consequences, timing and choices magically disappear - and the bosses are just plain awful).
That's not even taking into account other issues the legitimate version can have, especially with regard to DRM.
Overall, playing the entire game pirated and buying (but not installing or even downloading) the real game is the best option every single time.
>>342016510
Starts with piracy, ends with used games
>>342029587
thats not DRM, thats just a script, go to the folder's EXE and make a copy to shortcut to it itself without steam
>>342029648
Did it sell over a million copies?
>>342029451
>how is it EXACTLY DRM
Because the games are tied to your account, duh.
>>342029701
One .exe only is better than two.
>>342029695
Buy a game on steam. Now uninstall steam. Can you still play your game? I bet not.
>>342029695
You must be blind. Let me spoonfeed you.
>>342029020
>>342028810
>>342029872
you should be able to without issue, its literally an EXE to start the game
>>342024835
>throwing shade on Just Cause 2
Confirmed for shit taste pleb
JC2 was the shit for years when it came out
Haven't pirated a game in years. Also haven't bought a game outside GOG in just as long.
I like trying things before I buy them
If I thoroughly enjoy a game, I buy it and tell my friends about it.
People share books, why not share games?
>>342029701
You are retarded.
I can't boot up New Vegas unless I have steam client up, even if in offline mode.
If I want to play my copy of System Shock I got for free (thx GOG, y'all are so nice) from GOG, I can open it in the Galaxy client, or just straight from the toolbar/start menu. I don't have to keep Galaxy up, or open it at all.
>>342029812
Just did that, now go suck gaben's cock.
>>342029878
Your second quote is literally a non-answer and it goes with "steam itself is DRM" like that means fuckall
>>342029824
close to 1.8 millions on steam. dont know about gog
the other 5-6 millions are on consoles
people will buy it regardless of drm.
>>342029953
Lol, give it a try.
>>342030045
Then the game itself makes a call to start steam, thats the game itself not steam
>>342029953
You really have no idea what you're talking about.
Go ahead, exit steam and try to launch via the exe. See what happens.
>>342030106
It sold more on gog that on Steam.
>>342030180
That's why is steam is a DRM, no GOG game makes a call to galaxy client.
>>342030241
Witcher 3 starts up fine without steam it doesn't even prompt to run steam
>>342016510
>Publishers claim that there is between 80-97 percent piracy for PC games
What the fuck does that even mean and I sure as hell wouldn't trust a publishers word on this matter.
>>342029957
>throwing shade
What did he mean by this?
Why are speaking as if this is the black part of Twitter?
>>342029971
>this image
Yep GOG is the best.If a game is available on GOG always get it from there.
>>342030332
>That's why is steam is a DRM
Or that sounds like your developer integrated steam into the game making the game a DRM
>>342030370
how many people are there in china and russia?
>>342030180
Alright buddy.
>>342029767
Nah i usually dont even consider pirating games that would be shorter than an hour or two. Also if i dont like a game from the start, or at least if the game does not really appeal to me enough, i wont bother suffering trough 10 hours + to get to "the good part" like apparently i should with final fantasy 13.
This pirate first then buy only really works well for certain game genres i guess. And wont work in favour of small "experience" focused games like gone home.
>>342030601
>i usually dont even consider pirating games that would be shorter than an hour or two
How do you know how long the game is when everyone and their mum tells you it's "at least 20 hours long" and you actually finish in 3?
>gone home
>a game
Choose one.
>>342030601
>gone home
>game
>paying for gone home
why?
>>342030106
So are you telling me that a game that was being sold DRM free outsold all those Denuvo titles put together?
Denuvofags on suicide watch?
>>342020324
i ainht buying no games, before i play test them. Last few times i bought games, without testing them it was a huge letdown. Also all these AAA games being released are pure shittty cash grabs. The new tomb raider games are crappy uninspiring "female stronk", with no interesting gameplay. Just cause 3? Just rehash of previous games. Total warhammer? might actually be worth it, but i dont know without testing it. DS3? I pirated both DS and then DS2, but neither i found enjoyable and deleted after 30mins, I would have pirated DS3 as well and tested it if i like it, and maybe bought it, since PvP since is kinda interesting, but now i wont bother.
>>342030965
Because i mostly play strategy games, or i at least inform myself of what the game before i buy it,and if it will have replayability once i finish it.
>>342030464
Making steam a DRM, not the game
>>342029824
Yep. This game crushes Denuvo marketing. Fallout 4 does too.
>>342021279
Its not trivial for indie dev, also it was price for indie game, i presume AAA titles pay 10times that amount or more.
>>342031019
CDPR won't release numbers often and almost never for GOG sales of TW3, but back when it released it was more popular on GOG than it was on Steam.
The latest figures we have are 30% PC sales and 70% console sales, but yes, the game outsold most Denuvo titles combined on Steam alone without considering the 1,000,000+ sales from GOG.
I exclusively pirate games and denuvo hasn't made me wanna buy something yet even though I wanna play the new DOOM. Granted I picked up a jailbroken ps3 and I'm running through its exclusives so I have plenty of stuff to play for the moment.
But yeah just my 2bits, I'll probably end up picking up doom at ~20$ if it never gets cracked, don't mind going for some of those keysites though so developers still get nothing
>>342031019
Yes, so did Fallout 4.
>>342031670
For the record Fallout 4 has DRM but its so pitiful it got cracked before release so it might as well have none
>>342016510
>Publishers claim that there is between 80-97 percent piracy for PC games, but these numbers are always hard to verify.
Sorry for sounding retarded, but what does this number mean? And how do they verify these numbers?
>>342023075
this is the reason good movies keep making money for its producers years after it release, people pirate the movies watch them and then rate/review on imdb, and good movies keep getting fuckton of reviews. Some people just watch them then on internet TV like hulu, some buy bluray, etc. Piracy is good, since it basically free marketing. Without it the exposer is much smaller. I didnt really saw much talk about at all about these denuvo games, they seem to get released and then forgotten. While witcher 3 gets constant shilling on here for example and i dont doubt like 90% of it comes from pirates, but the rest 10% is like 5times more sale than these other AAA games had. And W3 threads keeps shilling for 3 years after its release. Skyrim is still getting shilled 5 years after its release.
>>342032541
total potential sales = 1.8~1.97(actual sales number).
They pull that number out of their arse, they don't verify it in any way.
>>342016510
Once again with the retarded stats that 80-97% pirated a game rather then bought it. Who are these people and what clown school did they go to? Now I do not deny that piracy doesn't exist.
>>342032541
they count everyone who download there game played it for 5minutes and then deleted or even bought the game later as lost sale. They also dont bother to normalize for the amount of good shilling these pirates gives. Basically these lost sales chart is complete utter bullshit.
>>342032591
You are right. Likes talk womb raider for example. when it was first released every one talked about it and posted shit. But with the new one not a single fucking word has been spoken.
>>342032843
Rather, (1-(0.8~0.97))*potential_dosh = real_dosh
>>342016807
Witcher 3 and Fallout 4 sold millions while being cracked in the first 2 days or so. Denuvo does jackshit for sales.
>CONSOLES ARE HOLDING BACK THE GAME INDUSTRY!!
>PC Devs have to fight for people to just pay for their games
>>342032541
It's a number that some shitty indie game dev for Android came up with by implementing a call home feature in the game and comparing how many calls the game got to the amount of sales.
Publishers have been making minor modifications to said figure without any basis in reality for years. Before it was really just an asspull guesstimate.
There was a pew study awhile back that showed most, and I mean like 70%, pirates are from shitpoor countries like Brazil, China, Russia, etc, and said pirates would have simply been unable to play the game any other way, so this "lost sales" thing is just dumb.
>>342020324
Those people either refunded or weren't gonna buy them anyway. Again, Denuvo doesn't affect sales at all. It only gives the publisher the comfort that their game is not being pirated A shit game won't sell well only because you can't pirate it. Denuvofags are delusional.
Arguing over if piracy helps or hurts sales is completely fucking meaningless, want to know why?
Because what actually matters is what publishers think is true. Publishers see piracy as stealing, and they will act accordingly. These people can't be convinced with words.
Denuvo is actually a good thing, because it will prove who's right. If Denuvo actually hurts sales publishers will notice, and they will consider Denuvo not worth the hassle.
>>342033412
Meanwhile in real life, devs make significantly more money on pc than on all other platforms combined on average.
>>342033573
remember some russian anon saying that minimum wage in russia is 100usd, so these lost sales are utter bullshit from poo in loo countries. They cant buy these games either way.
>>342033776
how do you explain witcher 3 selling three times as many copies on consoles when compared to pc when cdprojektred is considered the savior of pc gaming?
>>342034042
1- your numbers are wrong
2- gog sales count for 100% profit, steam sales for 70% profit. Consoles sales for 30% or so profit.
3- cdpr backstabbed pc players with tw3
4- cdpr downgraded the graphics and lied about it until just before release, including censoring the forums of any such mention.
>>342034042
Where did you get this number?
Also each sale on PC makes them significally more money (MS, Sony basically takes 30$ cut)
>>342034042
Witcher 3 is hard to run. PC market is not actually that big when you remove everyone with garbage hardware or integrated graphics.
Console markets are much bigger in comparison.
Also it isn't 3x. More like 2x.
And PC players are just reluctant to buy full priced games for any reason. Console players don't hold the same reservations. Still, near 2m copies on Steam and at least 1m copies on GOG is incredibly successful for a PC game.
The fact of the matter is that "success" for a PC game and "success" for a console game are very different things. 3m sales for an AAA console game is rather shitty.
>>342026098
How are they even able to tell?
>>342033878
i am Russian and i can buy games even with my student scholarship, but why? Just rationally i don't see a reason to pay, when i can get it for free. Don't care for spooks reasons.
>>342029746
>You cant mod denuvo games
Total War would like a word with you and your blatant shit posting.
Denuvo has nothing to do with modding you massive fucking faggot.
>>342034453
Also PC games keep getting sales years after its release. W3 will keep make money on PC for cdpr for next 10years. Long after even 2-3more generation of new consoles arrive.
>>342034042
https://www.vg247.com/2016/03/10/the-witcher-franchise-has-sold-20-million-copies-worldwide/
~70% consoles, ~30% PC. So ~5-6 million units on PC. That is more than Denuvo games, and a pretty big deal for PC sales.
Also, Microsoft threw them money when they made console ports. Can't exactly blame them.
>>342034603
They base it on how often you play a game and then refund. The point of the refund system is to refund if there are serious technical issues or if it's just not your type of game. When you keep downloading every rpg and only rpg and refund them just at the end of the time limit, they ban you.
>>342029746
>You cant mod denuvo games
I wish i could understand why i see this repeated over and over
"modding" games is a framework implemented by develoeprs to allow replacement of assets
overwriting texture files etc in a games resource directory is not modding and never was.
This means you should support games that offer ACTUAL MODDING and not games that JUST HAPPEN TO BE MODIFIABLE
>>342035039
>I don't have a clue what I'm talking about but the money b dam gud thx denuvo!
Fuck off shill.
>>342035039
>overwriting texture files etc in a games resource directory is not modding and never was.
So are you telling me this isn't a mod?
http://maldotex.blogspot.com.br/2013/02/maldohd-40-final-version.html
This is record labels all over again with their TRILLIONS of dollars worth of pirated music. You know, amounts of money that literally don't fucking exist.
Video games are bigger than ever by every fucking metric, and has surpassed a lot of the much older, and more respected entertainment mediums in profits. What does that mean? Why more shareholder that literally know the first thing about the industry of course! How would you appease these suits? Why with the promise of all the untold billions they could be making RIGHT NOW if all these pesky third worlders would transform over night into a first world consumers with disposable income, which DRM obviously will accomplish!
Denuvo is just another tool for publishers to appease shareholders, nothing more, nothing less.
compared to 10 years ago PC is a paradise for devs and publishers. you will never ever stamp out the thieve's den its not even worth complaining about.
>>342035228
is it just overwriting files? then it's a "hack"
modding takes place in a framework intentional left in by developers. The best possible example is quake where you launch it with parameter -game (directoryname) and it just replaces assets with whatever similarly named assets are in directoryname.
Denuvo doesn't prevent this in any way whatsoever. Modding is a framework intentionally put into a game by developers. replacing files is "hacking".
Yes, there is a difference and no, I'm not arguing with you about it. I have been on the internet since 1995 and been playing games since 1986, you have not.
>>342034253
>>342034256
yeah sorry I remembered wrong it was 30% pc 70% consoles http://gamerant.com/the-witcher-3-sales-pc-consoles-125/
>>342035450
And in all that time you didn't figure out that language and terminology changes over time?
Mod = modification
Texture mod = texture modification
Simple as that.
>>342035691
The language didn't change because ignorant people invaded and didn't know how to correctly use terms, no.
>still complaining you cant rent DOOM by stealing it
it has a demo
>>342034685
Apparently it is getting in the way of DOOM mods. I don't really know what mods would touch the exe file, I'd have thought Bethesda would enable modding without doing that.
But if your mod has to fiddle with the exe, Denuvo won't let it.
>>342035450
>Yes, there is a difference and no, I'm not arguing with you about it. I have been on the internet since 1995 and been playing games since 1986, you have not.
wow, I'm so wet right now.
>>342034685
How open is it for modding? just steam workshop that fiddles with models and values or can you completely overhaul the game like skyrim?
>>342035746
But that's literally a modification of the files/game. I'm sorry but no amount of autism will change that.
>>342035851
Me being right isn't intended to have some effect on you. It's simply me telling you things how they are.
Most of you were born after 2000 so you honestly should never open your mouth to speak about anything because you are of a generation that has everything fed to you by electronic devices. You do not have your own thoughts or form your own opinions. You are literal drones
>>342033383
Fallout 4 doesn't use Denuvo, dipshit.
>>342035945
no, it's a replacement of the files. replacing files with other files isn't modding and was never modding. modding has always taken place inside a framework provided by the game developer.
if there is no provided framework by the game developer, it's hacking, not modding.
If you don't know what terms mean and use them incorrectly, that doesn't change the meaning of the terms. It just means you're an idiot. Sorry to give you a dose of reality.
denuvo does absolutely nothing to prevent modding. STOP PAYING FOR GAMES THAT DO NOT HAVE MODDING FRAMEWORK IMPLEMENTED INTO THE GAME.
>>342035996
Do you wanna fug? I've been gaming since 1994 btw.
>>342036136
Neo-/v/ everybody!
>>342020562
>i'd be curious to see if sales gained even offsets the cost of using denuvo in the first place
Extremely unlikely. Every time the concrete financial effects of piracy have been researched by actual scientists, the results have been either nothing or mildly positive (as in, piracy has actually increased sales). Factoring in the fact that some buyers are intentionally avoiding games that have Denuvo (out of fear that it will damage their rig or spy on them), I'd be shocked if it wasn't a net cost and nothing more. Just like StarForce was.
>>342035848
Because Doom is not really modable in the same sense that old dooms was. It has incredibly shitty and limited snapmap, which is modding for casual retards.
Anything actually unique need much more than that, so you need to temper directly with the files of the game, guess what denuvo prevents you from doing?
>>342036003
How to spot the retard.
>>342035450
>Buzzwords: the post
>>342036404
>I don't know what a buzzword is
please stop using words that lost relevance before you were born. the last buzzword was "bleeding edge" in about 2003, btw.
>>342033412
I didn't read the topic apart from the opening post but i fucking love that doujin!
>I want to steal your games
>Okay, well we're going to try to prevent you from doing that
>WOW, GOD YOU GUYS ARE SUCH FUCKING ASSHOLES.
If you want to steal games then work hard and get to cracking. Don't bitch because people aren't flat out LETTING you steal with no resistance.
Fuck, pirates are dumb.
>>342036552
No it wasn't. Ludonarrative Dissonance and Coding to the Metal are pretty recent.
>>342035450
The shit you're arguing is 100% semantics. "Mod" just means modification. It doesn't matter if the devs supported or even allowed the modification.
>>342036646
>Steal
There's that word again.
>>342036646
Come back when anti-piracy measures don't actively harm the consumer while doing nothing to pirates.
>>342036372
Pic related is all games that are currently Denuvo. If you look closely, you might notice something.
>>342025312
>brown parasites
white people don't pirate games? today I learned (oh wait!)
>>342036820
How to spot the retard Part 2.
Try reading the first post again and figure it out. I believe in you.
>>342036765
>Take something that everyone else pays for, for free, illegally.
Yeah, stealing. By definition.
There's no argument against it. Never has been.
>>342016510
>Publishers claim that there is between 80-97 percent piracy for PC games
These fucktards actually think that there are 100m people playing their shitty games.
>>342036679
a phrase that isn't in extremely wide usage isn't a buzzword bro. hence the entire point of the word buzzword. A buzzword is defined by reality's acceptance of the word, not the creator's desire for the prhrase to be a buzzword
i'm sure you heard "ludonarrative dissonance" on NPR every day
>>342036945
You said that Fallout 4 has Denuvo. I proved you wrong. There's no amount of autistic hand wringing, or moving the goalposts, or changing the subject, that's going to change that.
>>342037249
Congrats, you're clinically retarded.
>>342036971
That's not the definition of stealing. You just said what you think stealing is based on your own assumptions. The actual definition doesn't apply to pirating.
>>342018537
>the reason that shitty products exist isn't because people buy them, it's because people don't buy them
Retard alert!
>>342037116
Found the inbred
>>342037249
Not that Anon, but is English your first language? >>342033383 he never said FO4 had Denuvo, he said it and TW3 proved that Denuvo doesn't help game sales.
>>342037332
You're really trying to convince yourself that you're not stealing.
Maybe deep down you feel guilty.
Either that or you're just delusional.
>>342037249
Dear, I really hope you're replying to the wrong post but in case you're actually retarded let me let it out for you.
I stated that Witcher 3 and Fallout 4 sold millions of copies despise being pirated in response to the claim that Denuvo helps sales. I never said anything about any game having denuvo or not.
But if it calms your autism. Yes, Fallout 4 doesn't have denuvo. You're right. Have a cookie.
>>342037304
>Anon: Denuvo helps PC sales
>You: No it doesn't here's some games that prove why
>>342036820
>""""""""""tomb raider"""""""""""
>>342036646
Do you bitch this hard at GameStop resales? Because Denuvo doesn't do jack to prevent the publisher from not getting their money.
At least pirates don't profit.
>>342026262
Also if it your car you can listen to whatever the fuck you want no one rides with me anymore because NIGHTS ON FIRE while doing 100mph plus on the interstate in a shit box truck
>>342037593
>>342037674
Not him but he worded his response very poorly. It reads like he's trying to imply he thinks Fallout 4 is Denuvo protected, whether he was trying to do that or not.
>>342037632
Nice projecting. The only one deluding themselves is the one that defines a word out of is own mind instead of looking up the actual definition. Yes It's ilegal, yes It's probably a bad thing to do to a dev. It's not stealing.
Maybe you're the one guilty for wasting 60 dollars so many times and you're just trying to blame it on someone else.
>>342029451
>You have to launch your games through an online program in order to play them
>Not DRM
?
>>342030045
dude. Steam doesn't force DRM to users. In fact there are a lot of drm free games on steam. Steam offers a choice to developers to embed steamworks drm to their games/software, but doesn't require them to.
gtfo
>>342025238
>Every developer can afford or will want to use Denuvo
>>342024717
> I don't know shit about developing video games: The Post.
If i carve something on a bench does that mean i can only place it on said bench or benches like it?
>>342033383
>first 2 days
try first 2 minutes.
Witcher 3 doesn't use DRM and Fallout 4 used generic steam DRM which is just there so you can't copy paste the game and have it work.
So many uneducated fuckers in this thread.
partner.steamgames.com/documentation/api
Steamworks includes DRM functionality naturally as an integral part of it's system, it's kind of the whole point. Just because a developer decides not to integrate that functionality does not dis-qualify Steam as DRM. Learn to Google before you speak.
>>342038579
Publishers seem to only use it on games they think will sell poorly.
>Publishers seriously believe that those "97%" would have bought the game if they hadn't pirated
Most people pirate because they can't afford to pay. They wouldn't have bought it anyway. What they will do when they do pirate is talk about the game.
When they talk about the game, they build publicity and increase the number of players, increasing the number of potential sales.
>>342040201
They don't, they are just trying to get people to hate pirates.
>>342039642
> DRM Free
But i can already get DRM free games on Steam?
>>342037897
You're the only one who thinks that, retard.
>>342037691
Maybe hello kitty online will be more your speed. Off you go, I'm sure you'll make lots of friends your (mental) age.
>>342040743
No. Always bet on incompetence. When a business does something monumentally retarded, it's because they are monumentally retarded, not because they're being sinister, slick, and intelligent.
I go to a school with a pretty good business program. I've taken math courses and a few econ courses with people who are going to be marketing directors or managers or even a few potential CEOs at a few prominent companies once they graduate.
And they're retarded. They're just so fucking retarded. They can't understand basic concepts. They've forgotten how to do algebra. You see them in one class and next semester they've forgotten EVERYTHING about that class. They coast by with 60s, or even failing and repeating classes. They lack even the most basic critical thinking skills. And yet they get by, because they're just so fucking good at bullshitting. They have excuses for everything. They're likable. They're charismatic. They're the stupidest group of people I've ever encountered in my life, and they're the ones who run businesses.
ALWAYS bet on incompetence.
>>342040924
>>342041198
Too bad being retarded isn't a bannable offense. ;^)
I think the biggest proof that DENUVO works is that it has repeat customers.
The big publishers are always thinking of ways to maximise their profit. They wouldn't be using it if it wasn't producing repeatedly good results.
>>342033383
Witcher 3 was literally released DRM free retard.
>>342043589
>a tad late to the bad reading comprehension party
>>342043447
>The big publishers are always thinking of ways to maximise their profit.
No, they're always thinking of ways to minimize risk. If they spend, what, a few million on their already 100m+ investment, they get a guarantee that there isn't going to be any piracy in the launch window.
It doesn't matter how many sales they actually gain. Hell, it doesn't matter if they actually lose sales. What matters is that, to them, the idea that people can just get their game for free is an unacceptable risk. It leads to all sorts of potential unpleasant consequences. Maybe people pirate it instead of buying it. Maybe some pirates play it and spread the word that it's a bad game, so nobody buys it. Too risky. Better to protect your investment. Plus, there are many who believe that if you give the slightest hint of supporting or not caring about piracy, people will immediately justify their piracy with that and you'll never make another penny on video games.
>>342043828
Who are you quoting?
>an hour is late to redditors
>>342016510
>>342016510
They keep bragging about this shit like it's some good vs evil situation. Most Piracy was committed by parties excluded from easily availability of the products in question.
They're going to end up with some hot-shit hacker who's going to take a steamy one on Denuvo and ruin their damn day like it was done for Star Drive or whatever the hell.
>>342043447
>1 post by this user id
>Location: Switzerland
>>342021221
Dumb charaposter
>>342027350
>fastest selling = best selling
That's where you're wrong, kiddo. Rome 2 sold 2 or 3 times that.
