What's actually wrong with Nintendo's graphical department? Is this all leading up to a flat-shaded Zelda or something?
inb4
>BUT MUH ARTSTYLE
bottom looks way better, nice meme img
>>341989262
WW looks better than both of those
artstyle does matter
nintendocucks on suicide watch
>>341989262
Is this autism? Is this what an autistic person actually sounds like? I can't tell if this is a parody act, or how you truly are
Is that TP the HD version or just modded?
Nice bait, the bottom picture is 90% sky what colors are you expecting there
And TP does not look like that on consoles
>>341989394
Incorrect, both look like fucking dogshit lol.
>>341989318
>BUT MUH REALISM
Hello retard.
>>341989404
Basically this.
this is one of the worst baits I've ever seen
and these threads get replies
this truly is the biggest, most cancerous site on the internet
DELETE THIS
>>341989262
Twilight Princess doesn't look anywhere near that good on GameCube or Wii hardware
>>341989465
Modded.
>>341989404
Mods for Zelda U will be great though. WW only looks better because of the water I think.
I want to pretend that BotW will be awesome because gameplay is everything and no need HD graphics to enjoy bu-
yeah fuck it I can't get over how incredibly shit this game looks
everything gameplaywise reads awesome but looks shit.
how can this game be so fucking low rez and ugly and not even try to be stylistic? Its impossible to enjoy a game when the graphics get in the way
>Twilight Princess
>1920x1080
Yeah, No.
Anyway, they both look like shit. New Zelda game looks fun, but the graphics are fucking disgusting.
How can anyone defend this level of pop in?
>>341989562
Yeah both games look like shit, that's not the point though
>>341989617
Im so glad Im not a graphics fag
>>341989617
Hi 15 year old
![The_Legend_of_Zelda_Twilight_Princess_(GC),_Dolphin,_ZTP_Hack[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/xd9R0Nr.jpg "The_Legend_of_Zelda_Twilight_Princess_(GC),_Dolphin,_ZTP_Hack[1].png")
>>341989262
The top one is the HD remaster not the original twilight princess lol
>>341989262
>>341989318
The zone in BotW is a different biome. Look up images of the forest areas, the have way more vegetation. And yes, the artstyle does have an impact in how the game looks! I know, thats insane!
Also, if seriously thought that the game would look like it did in the bullshots from 2 years ago, then I can only say that you are true dumbass, a dip, a ridiculous memer and overall a stupid individual
Guys I found the Zelda hacker.
>>341989617
Moot showed that summer isn't real and there is no real increase in traffic during summer compared to other seasons of the year.
But then again I only see this kind of shitposting either in Sony threads or during summer.
>>341989262
>using a screenshot of a texture mod in dolphin
>"2006"
>>341989625
you posted that exact same thing yesterday in a different thread
>>341989692
m8 even a 15 year old game has better graphics than this fucking zelda
nintencucks are on suicide watch I know
>>341989318
>Putting a good argument in all caps and adding "BUT MUH" before renders it completely illegitimate
At least you didn't add the stuttering.
>>341989625
Not only are you reposting this in Zelda threads but you aren't even bothering to change its filename lmao
>>341989829
Wow you really are 15. Hi, how's summer?
>why yes, i have an opinion
>of course i feel the need to state it as fact!
>>341989625
I could defend SOME level of pop-in in a wide open sandbox world for sure, especially with streaming loading. I get popin in AAA release modern HD games in 2016
but not THAT level of whole structures popping in a few meters away lmao. thats like the draw distance of superman 64
>>341989865
>that meteor
What the fuck is that?
>>341989985
Doesn't that seem a little desperate to you?
>>341989262
The same thing that's wrong with the rest of Japan's graphical departments, they value art style over muh technical prowess
>>341990058
a meteor
>But oh you no like Windu Waker so I make Twirightu Pwincessu
>But oh no now you LIKE Windu Waker and hate Trywhiteu Prinsessoo
>So I make Bwef of the Wildu BUT OH NO NOW YOU NO RIKE SIMPLE CARTOON GRAFIX
>>341990135
Hi cartmen
>>341990117
Yes, but why
>>341989736
That still looks way better than Fart of the Wild...
>>341990238
aliens.jpeg
>>341990258
>fart of the wild
HE DID IT !!!!!!! XD
Here is the problem with the new Zelda, it looks like an open world sandbox 2009 tech demo and people are hyping it up to be the second coming of christ. If you were to remove the word Zelda from this game 90% of /v/ would assume it was a indie kickstart and disregarded it. This game is being sold on the basis of brand value just like 90% of other Nintendo games, admit it.
I'm not salty about it though, I'll be buying and playing this on my wiiU and seeing what it has to offer, it's just that we shouldn't get into the habit of praising mediocrity, it only sets people up for disappointment, attracts shitposters and undermines the work of developers who are putting in real work into their games because they can't get by from marketing a decade old franchise and actually have to create good and innovative games which get overshadowed.
People need to really question the hype the have for this game and look at it at face value, I said the same thing to Uncharted fags and I'll say it to Nintendo fans, don't blindly eat out the palm of Sony and Nintendo or Microsoft or whoever because they are making a game for your designated platform.
>>341989829
I guess good graphics=realistic graphics
>>341990258
>Fart of the Wild
haha im dyieng xDD
>>341990312
This point is so moot, not even gonna bother explaining why.
>>341990258
>mishmash of awful textures
>jaggies everywhere
m8, the fucking ground has bloom. your opinion is objectively shit.
they should have made a startropics game instead. I literally could not care less about zelda and fart of the wild
>>341990117
>>341990058
It's a meteorite.
Nintendofans anything. It could look like your mom's shit, but as long as it says Zelda, they'll buy it.
>>341990135
what do windwaker, twilight princess & skyward sword all have in common?
oh right, they have ugly low res graphics that were a decade behind their contemporary modern games AND were all unfinished and had phoned in second halves where you did nothing but fetch quests and filler
gee I wonder if BotW could possibly have any of the same problems
>look at E3 trailer
>see absurdly dated graphics
well now
not holding my breath for a finished and polished game LOL
have fun fishing for 20 triforce fragments in a game with only 4 dungeons again LMAO
>>341989625
How can one defend it? Pretty easily, there are a few things that it can be the result of. On one hand, they haven't had time to polish the game yet and as such the game isn't running optimally, Nintendo is known for being gods at optimization so this could very realistically change dramatically by release. On the other hand, it could just be a precautionary measure by Nintendo for E3 to prevent any sort of lag.
I am not for or against the game in general, but this is what I would say if I were to defend it. Other companies would likely have prevented this scale of gameplay for an alpha of a game that's still a year off, or at the very least would have made efforts to fool the player, but Nintendo didn't.
>>341990509
Huge Zelda fan here
Skyward was mediocre as fuck
Ages was TRASH
All those 4 sword spinoffs are STUPID
TP was good but could've been way better
All the wind waker timeline spinoff games are shit too
also, kys
>>341990312
>it's just that we shouldn't get into the habit of praising mediocrity, it only sets people up for disappointment, attracts shitposters and undermines the work of developers who are putting in real work into their games because they can't get by from marketing a decade old franchise and actually have to create good and innovative games which get overshadowed.
Welcome to the nintendo fanbase, family computer. They even overlook smaller nintendo titles/third party titles on their own platform in favor of the nth mario/zelda rehash.
This is why third parties have mostly abandoned nintendo, most nintendo fans only buy mario, zelda and smash bros.
>>341990312
If you remove the word Zelda from it and remove Nintendo's name from the developer list, I would assume the game has highly unpolished gameplay and shown things are actually either heavily scripted or outright lies.
Graphics are pretty mech, but the art style is great. And what was shown seems promising.
>>341989552
it is far from the biggest
its high up in the top tier of most cancerous ones though for sure
>>341990521
>grafix = overall game quality
haha what? x)
>>341989736
It's the GC version running on Dolphin at 1080p. And it was achieved about five years ago.
>>341990509
Well you Sonyggers aren't any better. Sony manages to sell you movies by pretending they're video games.
>>341990521
>4 dungeons meme
They were referring to the 4 shrines on the plateau demo area
>>341990312
You're right in all you said, gaming in general is a bit dead right now anyway, though some things look promising, some others not that much, Nintendo basing his big launches on brand value is getting stupidly out of hand though, kinda reminds me of Apple.
>>341990521
Hi, how's 9th grade?
>>341990615
>Ages was TRASH
>All those 4 sword spinoffs are STUPID
>All the wind waker timeline spinoff games are shit too
Hyrule needs you anon.
Please an hero.
>>341990598
Because the game is 9 months from release and it's from a demo (meaning a slightly earlier build)?
>>341990769
Seasons>ages
>>341989625
But TP HD is 1080p
>>341990312
And what's wrong with recognizing brand value? Zelda has been a reliably high quality experience time after time. Nothing I've seen makes me write this game off, and it's no fucking surprise the graphics are less impressive than competitors, this the wiiu
Zelda has always been great at offering an experience thats greater than the sum of its parts, everything comes together for an amazing experience. The single Zelda game to have ever disappointed me was SS, so thats a good track record and I retain my hype
>>341990312
>decade old franchise
Zelda is 30 years old. 30.
>>341989979
>I can't cope with dissenting opinions supported by facts
>>341990353
you don't have to make your graphics realistic to make them good
but if your game has low res blurry shit, flat environments and models popping in left and right, it looks more like an N64 game than a 2016 game lmao
look at this popin:
>>341989625
compare that to modern games:
>>341989262
For starters that's a modded screenshot on the top for an emulator.
There's no guarantee the actual hardware could run it smoothly.
Nintendo's history is filled with "The designers wanted to do this but couldn't because hardware limitations".
>>341990852
Your point being?
Seasons being better makes Ages automatically trash? Again, kill yourself.
>>341990312
At least you know if it's total shit we'll all tell you it is as soon as it comes out.
Instead of spending 24/7 trying to defend indefensible garbage like TLOU.
>>341990312
It's an established world, so it being Zelda affects it. Zelda is a fleshed out world, that has always been an amazing adventure, and for the first time since the original is it truly open. Your point is gay.
>>341990853
I thought Wii U could only handle 720p.
>>341990965
>There's no guarantee the actual hardware could run it smoothly.
It couldn't, Too high res.
>>341989435
No, not really. Just desperate shitposters trying to egg on an anti-[thing] argument, as always
>>341989262
Top pic looks worse you idiot. In fact it looks worse than original. Making textures HD doesn't make the game automatically better. And bottom art style is far better than top, even though top also looks good.
>>341991009
$5 has been deposited into your Nintendo e-Shop account
>>341991031
Theres like 7 games that are 1080p
Smash is 1080p at 60fps with no drops
whoever optimized that shit is a god
>>341990861
>Nothing I've seen makes me write this game off
Despite the fact that the very formula and foundation of what made previous zelda games so great is completely and clearly absent in the new game? They pretty much took a polar opposite approach to its game design. What was once a linear based progression accommodating proper level design and a path to push a narrative is now an openworld sandbox game. The only good open world game that's been released as of late is one that has the content to back it up even if the gameplay itself is trash, being witcher 3. The world is going to look, feel and be empty, just watch.
>>341990861
>Zelda has been a reliably high quality experience time after time
LOL
NICE GAME ZELDARDS
ur developers accidentally run out of budget and release 2 years too early? LOL
>>341990312
>>341990312
>This game is being sold on the basis of brand value just like 90% of other [insert company] games, admit it.
duh
>People need to really question the hype the have for this game and look at it at face value
the game doesnt look pretty BUT Nintendo is going in a direction that many of us asked for and the best thing to do according to you is to backlash it because of a demo? until we get closer to the final product that's just ungrateful. I hope there is way more to do and way better graphics but for what has been shown i'm midly intrigued.
>>341989625
>Yeah, No.
Yeah, Yeah. It's upscaled to 1080 with emulation, that's the original game and the detail was always there. The difference is we're seeing BotW in 1080 right now, and it already looks like trash.
>>341990953
I'm not defending the pop-in but comparing a narrow corridor with a handful of objects to draw to an open map drawing shit as far as you can see is a bit disingenuous.
>>341991150
It's a fighting game. There's not much to render, just a simple arena. Even my intel integrated toaster can manage DOA5 at 900p
>>341989653
The point is that you are blatantly shitposting and need to stop
>>341989404
the year is 2016, just think of how amazing zelda games could look if nintendo tried
>>341991151
Never played the original zelda and 2 I see.
>>341991009
I only defend TLoU for it's production values, not its gameplay or story. I'm talking about all the different lighting effects and sound engineering. Go ahead and say "hurr walking simulator", at least it's a pretty one.
>>341991262
>It's a fighting game
Thread derailed, here we go boys!
>>341991183
It must hurt being this stupid.
>>341991332
>This comparison image
I've never seen a shitposter try and fail so hard before.
>>341990615
>huge Zelda fan
>doesn't like Oracle of Ages, Minish Cap, Four Swords/Adventures or Skyward Sword
You named like half of the games in the series, and that you don't like them. I don't think you know what "huge fan" means.
>>341991442
I'm not delusional. And there are 19 zelda games.
>>341991381
Oh, no. The off-topic shitposting thread was derailed?
>>341991241
where is zelda's bump mapping?
where is zelda's phong illumination?
where is zelda's elaborate skyboxes and detailed architecture and high polygon count foliage?
>literally nothing in view but hills and a handful of trees
whoops got pop-in anyway XDD
>>341989262
What I'm more concerned about is what they were thinking making the characters look sort of cell shaded but everything else just normal.
It clashes so much and makes the game look way worse in my opinion.
Either go full cell shading or go full "realism"/textured/cartoony whatever.
>>341991496
If you're not delusional then you're just retarded - the only objectively bad Zelda games exist on the DS.
>>341991637
I also liked Skyward
but you're a memester I see
>objective
>>341989887
Not him, but is your only argument "if you disagree with me, you're underage"?
>>341991637
>he doesn't know
>zelda will never again look like a game that isn't just for toddlers
feels bad man
>>341989806
Doesn't have to be an increase in traffic though. The older and often more reasonable people are busy during the summer while the school shitstains temporarily replace them.
>>341989625
BotW isn't 1080p either
>>341991701
Hi, enjoy summer senpai haha! Once you're an adult, life sucks.
>>341989502
and pop ins are okay?
hello brainless shill.
>>341991637
>>341991729
>>341991761
Might be
>>341991576
It's pretty close to the pixar art direction. Cartoon stylisation can carry very well on top of realistically styled backdrops.
But then you did say it was your opinion.
>>341989318
Visuals > GRAFIX
>>341991561
Do you really think people employed at Nintendo since the 1980s even know what bump mapping is? Nintendo is basically your old mom and pop grocery store and you're expecting them to be Walmart
>>341991946
N64 was the first consumer-level hardware that could do pixel shading dude.
Gamecube was a powerful console at least on par with the competition, so WW and TP look great.
They can't go for pseudo-realism anymore because it would just look horrendous in comparison. Imagine the new Zelda having an artstyle similar to that Horizon game? The comparisons would be brutal.
Seriously though I really, really hope the NX is a powerful console again because no matter cool the new Zelda appears to be, it looks like ass.
I'm far from a graphicwhore, but you can only get so hyped if something doesn't look good.
>>341992104
Bump mapping is is a type of pixel shading. Pixel shading is not bump mapping.
>>341992164
>Seriously though I really, really hope the NX is a powerful console again
its the same power as wii and wiiu
no graphical improvement
sorry kiddo
>>341992164
>Imagine the new Zelda having an artstyle similar to that Horizon game? The comparisons would be brutal.
Why can;t the Japanese men employed at Nintendo do as well as the western men employed at Guerillagames?
>>341991892
Well, I mean. Generally, even if they go for realistic backdrops but deformed characters they still have them in the same sort of "textured style" as the rest of the movie.
That is my issue. It's like the two styles don't mix, at all. It doesn't feel like Link and that Wolf actually belongs in that world, and to me that takes away a lot of immersion.
>>341992290
My point is that Nintendo were very much on the cutting edge of 3D in the 90s. Bump mapping dates back to the 90s.
>>341992358
They can only do so much given the hardware.
>>341990238
Have you played Terraria?
>>341990598
>>341990821
Just like Xenoblade, right?
>>341991183
Fuck off, Brawl's artstyle was terrible
>>341989262
Art style = good
Texture pop ins= bad
Ten years from now I'd imagine that the NX version will have aged perfectly well while people will be laughing at Nathan Drake and Geralt's facial animations
>>341989262
Wii U isn't powerful enough to pull-off the graphical style as found in Twilight Princess while keeping to the scale they're trying to achieve in Fart of the Wind.
Expect graphics mods to pop-up quickly once the Wii U is emulable, much as we saw with Ocarina of Time.
>>341993543
But the artstyle isn't good.
It's pretty much one of the worst artstyles Nintendo has done in recent memory.
>>341989262
I don't get it, why would someone go out of there way to bash a game they don't like. Unless you are some kinda tsundere for Zelda. Are you, OP? Be honest, tell us how new Zelda stirs your loins. Stop lying to yourself, trying hard to find reasons not to lust after it.
>>341993689
This. It's so muddy and clay-like. WW cel-shading looked a gajillion times better.
>>341989262
Open world games typically look worse than normal linear games. There's so much more shit to load at any given time. Think San Andreas vs Half-Life 2, came out around the same time.
Both look good? I don't see the problem.
>>341991441
>try
You're giving him too much credit and (you)s already.
>>341989262
top one's textures look like shit, the ground looks like a pile of green sand
and the bottom one looks like it doesn't even have textures
>>341990238
Why not?
Neither have proper lighting
>>341989865
>that reflection in the water before it impacts
HNNNG
>>341989262
They most likely wanted to make SS distinct from TP, and BotW at least has the open-world-on-Nintendo-hardware excuse.
Also maybe to keep brand recognition close to his toon-like games and less like an Xbox/PS game as well.
>>341990312
They said like a hundred times the E3 version didn't include towns, story elements, certain visuals, and NPC's because they want the player to experience it for themselves
the main focus was combat, gameplay, and new features. Not the towns and villages and NPC's and shit, thats in every zelda game its a given.
>>341994906
holy shit effects that have been considered standard in the industry for like 5 years
based nintendo
>>341995972
there isn't a single game to have reflections from that far away.
not a single game.
>>341997371
Distance doesn't effect screen space reflection's performance.
>>341998306
tell that to FFXV
>>341990943
what facts?
i was gonna try to defend this because it's running on 360 equivalent hardware but GTA V runs on 360/PS3 and looks a million times better than this
>>341989625
Someone post a Xeno webm for comparison.
>>341989262
>doesn't post a close background Pic for BotW
Anon you're not even trying
>>341991183
I agree with everything but Brawl. Brawl looks like Melee but with the textures dragged through a public bathroom. Smash 4 looks like Melee's artyle on ''''modern'''' hardware.
The rest of the image stands though.
Jesus fuck. Is everyone a fucking whiny entitled baby?
>>342000259
A scam industry produces entitled whiny babies because it makes people have to complain to try to get more than the scraps they get for their money. You didn't have people whining like this during the 80s-early 00s. No one port begged either. Because all platforms had enough good games. Now you have to try to steal good games off other platforms
Nintendo a hacks
>>342000259
yes
>>341991183
Waaaaaaaah. Why can't Nintendo be edgy like me?
>>342000953
>not trying to 100% discovery kids means that you're edgy
Stop being such a brainlesshill for once my man
WW's artstyle was unique but seeing it dragged a lot after SS is just awful and doesnt even fit most of the times
>>342000654
What a pessimistic opinion. Like you expect the fucking world out of every game and justify it by the amount of money games cost and your knowledge of technology.
>>341992969
is this a real thing if so how do i acquire it
The fact that shitposters and Sony cucks can only hate on the resolution and framerate of BotW actually increases my confidence in the game. It's doing everything else so right. What especially gets me, is that the game still looks pretty great on the PiiU thanks to great art direction, and on top of that the way the game looks will probably improve on the NX. Can't wait.
>>341992403
And you know that when they tried they got burned. Why would they try to be best in graphics considering that Sony can launch a 4K Bluray reader with a toaster and that it would sell better than a good machine? Nintendo has not the R&D to have a very powerful machine and trying could kill them like the gamecube nearly killed them.
>Had the best console
>Had to reuse it with a gimmick to get back on their feet.
>>341992969
The camera is shaking though. And making a game is more than just making it look good (or at least it was before Uncharted and LoU).
>>341990058
IT'S AN AEROLITE!
>>342001524
That pic was retarded tho, Brawl looked like fucking ass after the "new game wonder" wore off.
>>342002607
>PiiU
epic
