A Metal Gear Solid thread, huh?
So how bad is mgs5?
>>341978419
A thread?!
Anyone else feels like Solid was meant to become a villian in further games, maybe proving further Kojima's crao about genes and shit?
Almost every character in MGS1 calls him out on being a psycho who loves murdering the shit out of people.
LOOK UP PLS
>>341978492
Pretty bad.
PANIC
>>341978859
He was a villain from the start.
Big Boss did nothing wrong.
Liquid did nothing wrong.
Solidus did nothing wrong.
Ocelot did nothing wrong.
>>341979142
>le did nothing wrong meme
:^)
>>341978859
HE PLAYED US LIKE A DAMN FIDDLE
>>341979257
>>341978859
A psycho..?
Psycho Mantis...?
>>341978419
APPROACH?
LAUNCH?
That a Woman? Not him.
>REEEEOOOOWWWW
What did he mean by this?
>>341980041
>Tfw no qt revolver ocelot bf to pet and go REEEEEEOOOOOOOOOOOOW
>>341978419
>A huh, huh? Huh huh? A huh! Huh? Huh...
GOTY
>>341979142
Nothing wrong, huh?
>>341978859
Solid Snake was not a villain he was a weapon. It was the ones that used him that were actual villains.
>>341978859
DEEPEST LORE
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>>341978419
Who else here actually repeats key terms back to people in a quizzical tone when asking for more clarification on the subject? It's a really efficient way of asking questions.
>>341980460
>mfw I remembered my boss was the Patriots/Philosophers all along
Doesn't snake object to this?
In MGS1 when Liquid is aksing for BBs remains did he not know about Big Medic?
I still didnt play MGSV because my PC is shit and i have no console except PS2.
Finished MGS4 yesterday
Thought it was fantastic, just like the first three. Does it only get shit on because 8 hours of cutscenes?
Also that psycho mantis scene mentioning the data save was pretty damn funny
>>341980515
fuck off back 2 hell tripfag
>>341980664
because writing a prequel 20- something years to a game that didn't have a story other than YOU GO KILL BAD, MASTER IS BAD TWIST is a horrible idea.Liquid never actually met Big Boss, only venomwhy didnt solid start asking questiosn when BB had a horn and a robot arm in outer heaven, when he was trained by a real big boss, so he knew what he looked like and also knew that he didnt have the horn and the arm
>>341980041
You're pretty good.
>>341980731
My favourite part is how Otacon mentions the disk swap thing again. I didn't think MGS4 was all that bad. The Meryl/Johnny romance was crap and the bosses were uninspired. But it was far better than MGSV in any case.
>>341980742
What? Tripfags?? Colonel!! You didn't say tripfags would be part of the mission!! Just what the hell is going on here?
>>341980834
delete this
kojima cant be wrong
>>341978492
Story is trash and almost nonexistent
Gameplay is better designed than every other MGS game combined, easily.
>>341980884
I'm not tripfagging, I'm name fagging
>>341980731
While I also enjoyed MGS4, you have to admit it had an excessive amount of cutscene in it, especially considering the number of nice gameplay improvements and little details that simply don't get enough airtime.
It was also even more retarded and over the top than MGS2 while trying to tie up a bunch of canon and metaphor that was never meant to be logical in its own universe, only as ideas. It had a horrible job to do that it pulled off pretty well, given the circumstances.
>>341981052
>>341980731
What was even the plot? Why did Ocelot/Liquid go through all that trouble to install JD and why was Snake fighting for Patriot control?
>>341981221
It's best not to think about it too hard. Just follow along with it as it goes, then put it down when it ends.
>>341981052
Yeah, sometimes the cutscenes did start feeling overwhelming. I guess I liked it more than I thought I wouldve because an autistic friend told me it has 4 hours of gameplay, when I ended up having 14 hours of game time. I thinkbig boss showing up at the end ruined the end a bit, after we thought snake blew his brains outbut in any case it's ending was good enough
>>341981221
Ocelot was only pretending to be liquid
From the beginning ocelot was on snake's side
>>341978859
Well he certainly got shit on in mgs4 but yeah it seemed like he was pure evil especially what psycho mantis said. It would have been cool to play mgs2 and have Iroquois Plisken vs solid.
>>341981423
No, he was on BB's side always
>>341981403
Originally the ending was Snake and Otacon being hangedyes that is the termfor terrorism, but then that was canned, almost certainly because Konami wanted the series to continue at the time.
>>341980460
>This is what braindead soldiers actually believe
>>341978492
Only play it for the gameplay, the story is ass.
>>341981025
>>341981707
Until literally everything becomes trivialised by a tranquiliser sniper rifle and AI abuse
>>341981434
MGS4 is basically proof that Solid may not be right sideHe should of just let the world be
>>341981792
>should of
>>341981780
>using weapons in MGSV
it's like you hate fun
CQC only faggot
>>341981780
I mean, AI abuse is a thing in all games. Someone link the MGS3 fuckery videos.
>>341981876
>Using CQC in MGSV
Stealth mate
>>341981423
But Snake was apparently on the Patriot side? He did all that stuff to stop JD.
>>341981940
You already know exactly how that's different. AI abuse in MGS V is trivial, it doesn't require planning or practice. AI abuse in MGS 3 is almost entirely for videos and has to be carefully considered and requires an intimate knowledge of guard behaviour and their reactions to various objects. In MGS V it's pretty much "explode thing on other side of base then sprint like a madman".
>>341982136
He always was against the patriots, but at the same time he worked for them without knowing it
>>341978419
Metal Gear?
>>341980527
Efficient?
Is metal gear in the timeline where penta saved the princess penguin and mated or the one where she died?
>>341981031
WHAT? NOW NAMEFAGS ARE INVOLVED?? COLONEL, I THOUGHT I COULD TRUST YOU!
>>341980527
Key terms?
>>341982347
The patriots?
>>341980527
Clarification on the subject, huh?
>>341982908
The La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo?
>>341982908
the lalilulelo ?
>>341982851
It's Me, dear brother
*Takes off Sunglasses*
>>341983017
LIQUIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIID
>>341982851
Calm down Snake, namefags aren't protected by the patriots, they should pose no threat, try knocking him out with CQC
>>341983201
CQC, huh?
>>341978419
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0gFSUIVkXyz
I always liked Solid Snake ended up as time went on in the series. He was this cool cat spy, then he was this modest hero who was better than you and then he was just some old guy who really had it with all that shit and couldn't even kill himself. 4 was weird though, I have to have the plot explained to me someday.
>>341981997
>stealth
Not letting quiet tranq everyone while listening to code talkers tapes.
>>341983313
Why did you speak into a yogurt cup?
>>341980591
he just doesn't give a fuck anymore
>>341983408
because I'm too lazy to record shit properly for a 4chan thread
>>341980041
He's in heat
>>341980664
MGSV is a retcon
>>341978492
the story sin't as bad as the austists on the internet say, still its the worst story in the main series
gameplay is godlike
9/10
>>341978492
Ignore /v/ it's really fucking good I loved it. The story is actually really fucking good but the ending is just weak in comparison to the other games, you have to be prepared for a game Kojima started but Konami finished. Gameplay is top tier and so is the soundtrack.
> Recovered Capture Cage:
> [Gerbil]x 1
>>341984304
>>341981780
are you a literal retard? you better be
>>341983346
Number 4 is a big nostlagia trip done in the style of an 80's action movie and I loved every second of it to be honest. Will admit there is a little too much cutscenes.
>>341983201
Mnnnghh.. How do you think namefags taste, Colonel?
>>341983201
>>341983229
this makes me sad that there was no Paul Eiding shouting TIME PARADOX whenever one happened in MGSV
>>341984469
It's.. Probably best you don't find out
>>341980834
either two reason
1) Anything could have happened in the little time between Snakes training and 1995 to give a reason as to why the "Big Boss" looked that way
2) Venom had work done to remove his horn before outer heaven to look more like the boss
It wouldn't be hard for Kojima to explain due to the graphics of Metal gear.
>>341980834
In the novelization of one of the games ( can't remember) after mgsv came out, it said that solid did ask about it but he was told too much stress in his first mission gave him PTSD or something and he was hallucinating the horn and arm thinking he looked like some devil
>>341984304
A gerbil, huh?
BEST METAL GEAR GAME
GO
>>341986537
Metal gear 2 (MSX)
>>341986537
Metal Gear Solid.
>>341978492
It was okay.
Good game, so-so story. Not my favorite MGS (that would be 3) but not my hated MGS (that would be 2) either
>>341978492
p. good gameplay
if your a MGS traditionalist though, you'll hate it. the story is... inexplicable
>>341978492
>meets expectations
"good"
>defies expectations
"bad"
The best opinions hold water, anons.
The story is unconventional. It's also not meant to be taken too seriously. I have a lot of problems with its delivery, ("this could all be in your head!" and lots of hand-waving) but I'd say MGS4 probably had the worst story in the canonical series. If you're really interested in seeing what Kojima has to say, then pay close attention to how the characters glance directly into the camera, especially when doing something obnoxious (for example, watch Ocelot when he's training the recruits, or Venom when he defeats Quiet).
The gameplay is nearly perfect, but the endgame gets stale quickly unless you're the kind of person who enjoys "variations on a theme" albums. Story completion is around 40 hours, "endgame" completion around 80, and I'd wager most people fall between the two.
It's very deserving of being played, and you can't call it bad. It's a real durian fruit of a game. You should at least try it.
>>341989880
>Tfw I feel like the only person who loved story
Yeah the ending was weak for reasons we know but there was too many good parts for me to not like the story.
can someone please explain to me, in MGS1, why they cemented over the entrances to the room President Baker was in? how did Ocelot get in and out?
>>341979142
>Big Boss did nothing wrong
>>341990094
I had a feeling the entire thing was supposed to be something else, like the hospital sequence was half-illusion, half-reality, like Skulls were supposed to be only inside Venom's head
>Those Who Do Not Exist
I still don't understand why was the Man on Fire "real". Was the fucking whale also real?
The story felt slapped together.
>Eyes on Kazuhira
What was the point of that? Fucking Kojimbo lies until the game is over.
GOD TIER: MGS1 / MGS3
HIGH TIER: MGS2 / MGS PEACE WALKER / MGS GROUND ZEROES
MID TIER: MGSV
ABSOLUTELY FUCKING RETARDED TIER: MGS4
WHY HAVEN'T YOU PLAYED THEM YET TIER: MG1, MG2: SOLID SNAKE, MGS: TWIN SNAKES WHY DID WE DO THIS EDITION.
Ive finally started playing Ground Zeroes, and i have to say, while everything looks good, the gameplay is so different to what i'm used to, that it doesnt feel like MGS anymore.
>>341991373
Probably because you are right, there is no doubt a lot in MGSV that was rushed or not being tied up the way they where originally going to be tied up. The ending was certainly unfinished, the skulls never get resolved they exist and they are out there but we never know what happens to them following Skull faces death they just kinda stop appearing. I feel like a lot of it was going to go into like 60 episodes and have a similar ending to paz. Volgin makes sense to me because we already know what crazy shot Mantis is at least capable of.
>Eyes on Kazuhira
I think this was to do with him being in on the whole venom thing and having an established relationship with Zero. Kaz plays this guy where he is constantly watching and suspecting everyone and everything around him.
A lot of it is just going to be speculation since Kojima never got to finish it, maybe we will get a panchinko that finises the story
>tfw I like every metal gear for their pros and recognize their flaws
>tfw we'll never have a crazy wild ride like that again
>>341992556
it will grow on you
>>341992776
I still can't believe how much FUN I had with GZ, 100% it on PC and PS3, but my god Phantom Pain is such a chore to play, really worthless
>>341992950
Yeah, I guess I can't say I got fooled only by the trailers, GZ was a solid fucking game with interesting side missions. I expected TPP to be like that.
>>341989880
>It's also not meant to be taken too seriously
Read the interviews about MGSV's story from guys like Kojima's writer buddy, it is absolutely meant to be taken completely seriously, and that's the problem. The rest of the series was done in pretty good humor, but MGSV is so far up it's own ass it disappears up there. If it had lightened up outside of literally one burger tape and a DD being cute then people would probably relax on the criticism, but Kojima really did think he was doing some great subversive masterpiece and it was a disaster.
>>341980460
A weapon to surpass metal gear?
>>341980731
8 hours of worthless cutscenes and 5 hours of actual gameplay IF you are being generous and counting the trailing mission.
MGS4 made me dislike the entire series and gave me an intolerance for anime.
