what went wrong? wasn't /v/ saying this was going to be the wow-killer?
People got tricked into the tomboy redhead meme.
Everyone knows people will love your trash no matter how shitty it is if there is a tomboy redhead that everyone wants to fuck.
>>341957513
I don't see any freckles on her.
>>341957405
They said it was going to be like vanilla wow, then gated all content and better than crafted gear behind speed runs.
No one likes speed runs except for autists. Needing to get gold to get good drops was fucking insane.
Vanilla did not have any speed runs, who the fuck thought it was a good idea??
>>341957703
Well, so long as the carpets match the drapes it's okay.
/v/ said the exact opposite and for good reason.
Wildstar was made for those same people who played those "tough" vanilla WoW raids and to a extent the later TBC raids.
Unfortunately, Carbine doesn't understand the fact that appealing to a market of men who are in their late 30's and 40's probably have their priorities shifted besides playing a bunch of shitty raids, i.e. appealing to a market that doesn't exist anymore.
>>341957513
>Tfw when I fell for the tomboy redhead meme irl
>she gave up on me for a chocolate man
>>341957919
No one got to the raids because most people hate RNG based speed runs.
>>341958182
>Tfw want a redhead
>Keep hearing they like chocolate
I'm like brown so uh that means she won't go right?nah kidding no way in hell do i let a bitch cuck me
I just started playing it today, having a blast with it. so what did go wrong cus it seems fine to me?
something about the game really did not make me feel good
I liked the waifus though
>>341957405
Someone post what she really looks like in-game
>>341958607
Terrible launches
>>341957919
Well the problem wasn't the really the raids because most people couldn't even reach the raids. Shit was a major fucking grind. I think it's fine to make hard content, but to gate so much content and progress makes everything feel like a crawl.
I was excited to try Wildstar until I heard about amps. Jumped off the bandwagon and watch my friend suffer the game alone after beta.
>>341958615
>>341957405
The stupid art style doomed it
>>341958670
well besides that, seems like a fantastic game that I'm surprised does not have more players since it's free
>>341958958
This is the entire reason I stayed away from the game. It sounded cool mechanically but I just can't enjoy it when my character looks the fucking stupid.
>>341958787
dam son
I'm sure things have changed by now but I remember RNGing crafted blue gear being better than all the 20man raid loot. That shit pretty much killed it for me. That and ridiculous bugs that had been around since the fucking beta, oh and the nonexistent optimization.
>>341959113
>"Please put on your 3D glasses now."
>>341958692
What's funny is if you listen to half those people, they'll complain about NOT having MUH GRIND MUH NOSTALGIA MUH "THE GOOD OLD DAYS" even though their lifestyles can't support it at alland it was never actually fun to begin with
should i play this?it is free on Steam.
Can i play without having any friends?
>>341957405
Tits were toned down
>>341959113
woah mama
>>341959323
You can get both massive tits and thick thighs
>>341959227
yes, it's just not as fun without friends though.
>Believing WoW-killer memes after a decade of it never happening
kek
>>341957405
>Hey, QA guys, what do you think about attunements and 40 mans?
>That sounds retarded.
>WELL FUCK YOU! Hey, beta testers, what do YOU guys think about attunements and 40 mans?
>That sounds retarded
>WELL FUCK YOU!
>Oh no, everyone remembered that attunements and 40 mans aren't actually fun at all
>Oh no we're incompetent at balance and we keep overhauling core systems every few months
>Oh no we forgot to make fucking content for two god damn yearsyes, really, it's been two years and we only have "soon" as the date for the FIRST FUCKING RAID CONTENT PATCH that isn't a fucking lair that no one fucking did
>Oh no we can't even understand how to make a cash shop work
>Oh no NCsoft is going to shut us down because we're doing worse than fucking Guild Wars 1 right nowHonestly, the worst part about the game is the community that will go from perfectly rational to full fucking drone at the drop of a hat, defending obviously shitty, anti-consumer, amoral bullshit that Carbine pulls simply because they don't want their RP characters to be homeless without Wildstar. It's actually depressing.
>>341957405
Slut for the Big Rock Cock.
>>341957405
>wow killer
but that's ffxiv
>>341959941
>wow killer
But that'sLegion.
>>341959941
>game that has less than 10% of WoW's active and total numbers
>WoW killerIt's a shame, FFXIV looks neat and that soundtrack is amazing, but the gameplay is just too slow for anyone who isn't just in it for the f@ c@ t@s to play it without wanting to kill themselves.
>Still have a free realm transfer
>Only one realm
>>341957405
I only ever cared about the animations. They should have known not to throw their hat in with the doomed MMO format of games. Probably could have made a show with their talent instead.
>>341957405
The game was incredibly boring outside of dungeons/raids. Unlocking raids was a shitty long grind.
The writing was terrible and the lolsorandumb stuff got old pretty quick. Hearing "OH YOU LEVELED UP! GOOD JOB, CUPCAKE!" whenever you got a level was pretty annoying.
Also the game ran like shit, apparently no one that worked on it had any idea how to optimize it.
>>341961726
>lolsorandumb
I really wish people would stop using this when it's not applicable.
>They fix edher ugly face ingame
>AND they gave her gigantic tits
probably the only thing I liked about the game tbqhplayer housing was neat too
>>341959675
>anti-consumer
wait, what's anti consumer about wildstar?
>>341961291
All the designs and animations in this game could have been for something really good, like a regular RPG or something.
>>341961915
How could anyone look at that neck and think it looks fine?
>>341961991
Carbine was fine.
NCsoft fucked it in the ass by rushing a launch.
They never learn dem publishers lmao.
>hey lets try to create a new high profile franchise for the already oversatiated mmo market where so many before us have failed, what could possibly go wrong?
You can't kill what's already dead.
>>341962087
Publishers only care about when the cash starts pouring in so they can pay their useless figurehead employees. They are the enemy of good games.
>>341962068
fits with the style.
How is wildstar doing these days?
Surely it can't be more dead than gw2 or rift.
>>341961915
But does she still wet her britches?
I was legit hyped for it for the longest time. Then I actually tried the beta. Never have my illusions been shattered so fast.
>>341959323
>muh tits
>>341962339
It very recently got put on steam, so I'd wager it's seeing some renewed interest.
>>341962157
In strange aeons even death may die
>>341962574
The more large round milk filled honking cow tits the better.
>>341962574
whoa nelly. what about butt and thighs
>>341962294
Eh, I disagree.
>>341957405
What game is that?
>>341957668
>speedruns
>in an mmo
What even does that mean? Get to x level fastest? Why would you gate content behind that?
>>341962339
>>341962663
It's not doing too good
http://steamcharts.com/app/376570
>>341963724
it's doing as well as a dying mmo with no advertising can do.
>>341957405
Anything that thinks of itself as a WoW-killer is doomed to failure.
I don't even like WoW, I just know that looking at something with a long-running, deeply entrenched fanbase and thinking "we're going to kill that with this game!" and then releasing the exact same shit with a different coat of paint isn't how you make your mark on the industry.
It's why FFXIV is still running strong. It didn't set out to be a "WoW-killer," it set out to be FFXI-2.
>>341963724
>>341963785
The servers will almost certainly be shut down before 2017. And to think I actually thought Wildstar was an alright game.
>>341957919
I'm one of those autists and I never even made it to late game, let alone raids because the game is boring and clunky. Every single one of my regular crew dropped the game before hitting max level, bar one and he didn't bother trying to get attuned.
It failed because it was a boring, badly made game and there are half a dozen better games on the market. The only redeeming feature of the game was the house building, which was locked behind massive money sinks and forced levelling.
>>341957634
You can have red hair and not freckles.
In fact, South Park called those people Daywalkers.
>>341964135
>there are half a dozen better games on the market
Like what?
inb4 WoW
>>341957405
Yeah, /v/ also constantly shits about big companies, their treatment of gamers, their market ethics and shallow, dumbed-down games and than buys Overwatch and Battlefront, and is having "discusions" (which means they will buy it) about Battlefield 1.
You can't be a WoW killer if you don't have 10 years worth of content right out of the gate.
Sad reality. Not even Blizzards next mmo will kill WoW because it won't be as big. It is impossible.
>>341964468
I thought project titan got turned into the card game?
>>341964214
Wow, starwars, GW2, rift, secret world, Final fantasy, tera probably (never played).
It was an extremely shit game right down to the basic gameplay.
>>341958413
Know some redheads, they act all innocent but in reality they are complete whores. You can see it in their eyes. Never trust a redhead, they are ALL race traitors.
>>341964574
Project titan became overwatch
>>341964620
>Wow, starwars, GW2, rift, secret world, Final fantasy, tera
am I being rused here?
>>341964620
All those games are just as bad
>ctrl-f "Already dead"
>>341962157
Yeah, pretty much. It died a slow death, but its corpse languishes, taking up enough space that nothing else can yet grow until it finishes decomposing.
>>341964620
I feel like you haven't played any of those games.
>>341964806
i play a shit ton of GW2, but i never got into any MMO until much later on so i probably don't see how much of a copyoff it is. asuras are totally fuckable though
>>341957405
>wasn't /v/ saying this was going to be the wow-killer?
well, WoW is dead, isn't it?
>>341963554
disappointing compared to those tits in >>341962574
>>341964629
>sister is blonde
>dyes her hair red one day
>starts dating a black man
???
>>341957405
>what went wrong
These things
Ugh, I really wanted Wildstar to succeed. I loved the style and the setting but the dungeons and shit are just so... awful. Except that Academy one for low levels to get the idea of how the dungeons work. That was actually kinda neat.
has there been a single MMO in the past 5 years that has done well? isn't WoW losing lots of subs? Is the MMO genre dead?
>>341965221
What the fuck are you smoking? The group content is about the only thing the game does right.
>>341965221
It had cool features but the game was ultimately unfinished. Just like every other MMO. The genre is dead not because it can't reinvent itself, but because ever game dies before it is even born.
>>341965360
The ones I've been to just felt bland as hell. Maybe it was just those few I've done that are, but they didn't feel special at all.
>The group content is about the only thing the game does right.
Hey, whoa there. The housing system in Wildstar is the best I've seen in any game out there.
WoW has been dead it doesn't need a killer just play any other mmo now anything is better
>>341964296
>Yeah, /v/ also constantly shits about big companies, their treatment of gamers, their market ethics and shallow, dumbed-down games
People who do that here gett brushed off as trying to create another TORtanic
That's exactly what happened leading up to Wildstar's release
>>341965191
it's frightening that people actually went out of their way to make chua porn
Someone post porn already.
I think there technology to make a revolutionary mmo (the next wow) is just not there yet.
It would have to be fucking massive and I think procedural generation will play a big part. Not in just terrain but content generation. From houses to towns to actual npc dialogue to events. It most certainly can't be another theme park mmo.
>>341965562
I think that it has a similar problem to asura porn in GW2. Some autistic sick fucks made porn of it and it stood out because nobody gives enough of a shit to make normal porn and drown it out.
I like it better when no one knew how to datamine MMOs
back in Ragnarok no one knew what the fuck is going on and everyone adventured on their own to find out
Like the first time I played I was an acolyte and I was smacking shit in prontera and then some swordsman walks up to me to party and said there's a place full of zombies in Payon and that I can heal them to damage them so we went there. Then we became friends and then we discovered GH
>>341965490
Housing is just an aside. The dungeons and raids are what matter most and they're excellent. They're challenging and actually give you a sense of accomplishment when you beat them.
>>341963576
The raid attunement process required people to clear veteran dungeons as well as optional objectives in less than x minutes depending on the dungeon. Two wipes were enough to screw the whole thing up when the game launched, after a while people learned how to skip pats, glitch bosses, walljump through 50% of some dungeon, etc.
>>341966096
This.
I dropped the game after i realized how much shit i had to do to get the raid attunement.
>le vanilla wow was fun and interesting!
No, fuck you.
And fuck this game.
And fuck the devs too.
>>341966096
Yeah I'm glad they removed that part. Just gotta do 4 dungeons now. Makes life much easier.
>>341965754
>try to find some chua smut to shitpost in the general with
>a good chunk of it is chua just straight up fucking actual animals from the game
It hurt my soul
>>341957405
Claimed one thing, did another
Made for children, missing the entire MMO market which is actually loner 20-somethings
Didnt do WoW better than WoW, even though it was literally just generic modern day WoW
Apart from some meh design choices that others pointed out I think that you also have to consider that they had serious issues during the development process.
>a lot of bugs at launch
>bugs took forever to fix/never got fixed
>they literally have 2/3 zones ready (they are accessible if you have some patience and jump skills) but they didn't populate them with npcs and quests
>once in a while they manage to break something that was working and it takes a while for it to get fixed
>they slack to change stupid things like flavour texts missing or quests with the wrong description etc
They had a huge development team so some of these things are unacceptable. I wonder what the fuck some of them were doing if they never managed to address some of those issues. I would have fired part of development team earlier.
I can't even describe how big of a moron you have to be if you still parrot that completely debunked argument of Wildstar dying because it was too much like Vanilla WoW.
>>341967231
Combat was a hellva lot better
>>341967414
Most teams had an idea guy as the head and each and everyone of them tried to show the other how good he/she was at managing people. An ex-employee used to talk about how hellish carbine dev teams were.
>>341962157
Doesnt WoW still have like 4-5 million players? Its only dead in relation to what it once was. Seems like complete shit today though, I havent played it in years.
The mmorpgs that did have potential and dared to deviate from the WoW-formula was Warhammer online and Age of Conan. The first was kill because they released a beta product as the full game, and the other died because there was barely any content once you left the starting zone
>>341965562
>>341965754
You aint seen nothing until you've seen popori porn.
>>341967647
>An ex-employee used to talk about how hellish carbine dev teams were
Yeah I can imagine that from the results they achieved.
Kinda sad, I spent a lot of time on that game (I even have an artifact weapon) but I think the game (as an idea) deserved a bigger success.
Content was bugged as shit in an era where perfection is all but necessary in an MMO.
A lot of content was gated behind said bugs and so you had to pray that the game would be kind to you and not shit on you.
Tried to appeal to a niche audience by promising something that has sort of come and gone.
PVP/PVE was a mess because some classes (i.e. Espers) weren't really well executed for that kind of gameplay (mobile).
I loved it but fucking Carbine mang.
>>341968159
Nobody knows anymore. They stopped putting out sub figures a couple years back.
>>341967647
i remember the so called idea guy is ex-blizzard, so they has high trump ego.
Housing was great though.
>>341968159
I played WoW for a year from launch.
Went back for like 2 months when BC came out.
Then I tried it for 1 day again when Cata came out. The massive casualization of the early-game was the last straw for me. Never touched it since.
Oh and I only ever got as far aslvl 40, kek.
>>341969002
True, housing if freaking awesome. But there's no reward to visit other players houses, the plot "browser" is very basic, there's no way to rate other people's houses, etc.
Imagine if you could leave stars rating and feedbacks while visit other peoples' plot.
I know I would appreciate it.
>>341969239
by plot "browser" I meant the visit button, you just see a bunch of public names and you either visit those plots or you enter a name of another person you want to visit.
They could have added a way to put a little description or even a thumbnail.
>>341957405
>what went wrong
delusional fanbase, forums were full of rabid fanboys which put steam community forums to shame
slow servers meant the telegraphed attacks didnt work well in pvp
but the biggest reason is the ridiculous attunement that split the community up between long, miserable, buggy quests.
having to do a couple solo quests and clear BRD for molten core attunement was nothing like the horrible questline in this. But it still wouldnt have been as bad if they hadn't ordered it so fucking weird
>beat 4 heroic dungeons that actually require teamwork and skill
>ok, now go kill 10 buggy punching bags that take days to respawn
if i had to pick one thing that murdered that game above all others, it was the attunement quest. it just broke up the community between different steps and no one wanted to endure the misery of it again to go back for someone else
>>341957405
Exceptionally good housing, rest of the game is trash though. Shame really.
>>341969346
>the world bosses part
THE PAIN
>malgrave gold
this kills the player.
>>341961915
>tried to make cute redhead like her as my character
>human faces are all ugly as fuck
Fuck.
>>341969570
I swear the only characters I could make look decent were the mechari. The character creation for this game was just trash.
>>341969384
>rest of the game is trash though
What about the dungeons and raids?
>>341969708
I really thought the player characters had the Pixar-esque style like the chick from the trailer. But instead they all have a serious case of uncanny valley and just look unappealing.
>>341964020
>It's why FFXIV is still running strong. It didn't set out to be a "WoW-killer," it set out to be FFXI-2.
Says person who obviously has never played FFXI. XIV is total garbage in comparison and really just a WoW clone where you just collect pointless tomes each week until you hit cap, and do the same crap once your gear is outdated again. And SE uses this excuse to hold you idiots in the game even though there is no real content.
>>341969551
>settler gets lost
>he isn't where the game said he was at all
fug
>>341969813
The dungeons were fun, but the whole speedrun=skill shit made them absolutely unenjoyable and turned the community miserable as fuck.
>>341969813
dungeons are awesome if you run them with the recommended ilvl. ATM everyone and their mother has end game equip (how to blame them, the same raids have been there for 2 years), so everyone just speedrun them for money and glory (glory == another currency).
GA (first raid) was never that fun apart from a bunch of bosses.
DS is good, I like it a lot.
>>341969813
Dungeons were great especially boss fights in veteran mode, adventures were fun at first but got boring quickly, I don't know much about raids since I didn't get past the third boss but trash were enough of a fucking pain to make me forget if boss fights were even good in the first place, mini-bosses were hard too since I always had at least one mate to fuck something up during the monstrosity fight.
>>341970004
It's just bizarre, I mean would it've been all that difficult to translate the art style you see in all the promotional videos to in-game player character models? I don't even think they'd need to be downgraded all that much to work.
Too bad; the game looked interesting. I figured the furries would show up in droves ever since that first trailer where she pisses herself and subtly invites them to come look at the bunny girls:
https://youtu.be/FqymDgkv4oE
>>341970580
That is an old as fuck screenshot btw.
>>341957405
Blizzard is doing a fine job with killing WoW on it's own.
>>341959227
Most of the instances never pop. Adventures, don't even bother. Dungeons are full of 1 hit kill mechanics so people rage quit constantly, you have to watch videos and learn the routines before stepping foot in them. The rewards for basically all content are garbage you get better stuff soloing mobs and doing solo "challenges". PVP hardly ever pops below max level and at max it's full of bots. tldr : no it's not fun without friends and even then..not very good.
>>341957634
>Wanting skin diseases on your face
>>341959675
Yep sums it up nicely, I cannot believe all characters cannot be all classes...still.
>>341971481
Gonna go out on a limb and say you haven't played it recently and are just regurgitating what you've heard before. Adventures pop constantly now and low level queues pop consistently during peak hours. If you have a brain in your head you can avoid most one shot mechanics if you just follow the group. Nobody gets gear from soloing mobs and doing challenges any more and PVP pops constantly at all levels now. It does however help to have friends but people are fairly excepting if you aren't a prick.
>>341957405
there is never going to be a "WoW-killer"
mostly because you cannot actually pander to WoW's player base, because it's not unified. the game is being played by a shitton of people who don't actually like MMORPGs
>>341971774
Not regurgitating, it's from experience but I did stop playing think about 7 months ago.
>>341971481
>PVP is full of bots
stop spreading bullshit.
There were bots when F2P happened, but they're long gone.
>>341966096
I'm alright with some attunements, but fuck speed runs. If I wanted to do speed runs I'd play Sonic or Mario
This pretty much explains why this game was so badly fucked from the start.Yeah yeah, reddit, but its worth a read.
https://www.reddit.com/r/WildStar/comments/429bt8/alleged_carbine_exemployees_talk_about_their/
>>341972083
Attunement is 4 steps now I think. It's something along the lines of talk to someone. Do 4 different level 50 dungeons and then kill and optional boss in one of those dungeons.
>>341957405
>what went wrong?
Let's see:
Horrible engine optimization, sub standard FPS on modern gaming PCs, literally getting less than 30 FPS on a GTX Titan
Awful graphics with ugly shaders and little to no outward techniques used like ambient oclussion, Wildstar literally looks worse than 2004 World of Warcraft
Awful, generic, boring questing with awful, generic, boring enemies that are copy-pasted all over the world
Speaking of world, the entire playable world of Wildstar is fucking small as shit
Tons, tons, tons, tons, tons of bugs everywhere in the game, 90% of which are probably still in the game right now
>>341958413
It's a meme instigated by porn. Blonde and Red hair are unique to white people, so Blondes and Red heads are symbols of whiteness to defile within the cuckosphere.
>>341958182
White Chocolate is just to sweet
The launch was awful, and aiming it at the 'vanilla wow' audience meant barely anyone bothered to play, since they've grown up now
That said I played for about a year pre-launch, got in the first wave of alpha/beta keys and had a blast.
Sure there were a few bugs but the community (In game anyway, not the forums) were decent, game was fun, housing was based, lots of exploring, leveling didn't feel like a grind.. I enjoyed it alot.
Sadly I hit max level like 3 times before launch and never bothered when it finally came out, sucks that it flopped so hard
I heard it's coming to steam but it's probably so dead they won't bother
>>341972675
It's already on steam
>>341963724
Could be worse.
>>341964716
>>341964806
>>341964985
Curb your memes. Shit though they may be, they are still better than Wildstar.
>>341957405
WoW isn't good objectively, but with MMOs, player count is a quality all of its own.
People go where the most players are, because having players to interact with is a vital part of an MMO.
So, newcomers flock to the biggest. That being, WoW.
Also, the problem is, with MMOs, you can't really have a person be actively playing two MMOs at once.
If you're making a MMO to target WoW's audience?
They're already playing WoW. They're not gonna divide their time between two MMOs.
So, regardless of your game's other qualities, it has less players than WoW and it's trying to attract the same people as WoW, the people are just gonna stick with WoW.
Now, that isn't to say your MMO will be unsucessful. You just have to not make it a fuggen post-2006 Everquest clone.
>>341959227
Don't come to 4chan for a recommendation on if you should play this game or not. You're only going to find out of date information.
>>341972219
>Right up until content lock for a patch, everything would be going into the main branch - including stuff for the patch and stuff that people were working on 3, 6, 9, 12 months out. Which meant that the patch branch would end up a giant clusterfuck for weeks, if not months, and one of the reasons that content would get locked 3 months prior to release. (The reason this is bad, is that you can't respond to player feedback when nothing but critical bugs make it to the live environment for minimum of 3 months, sometimes 6 months. It absolutely killed our community to have to constantly tell them we're aware of an issue and there's a fix coming, but not for half a fucking year.)
Holy shit.
>>341964468
>10 years of content right at the gate
But that's a meme, because the prior expansion content is put on a shelf and stagnated and compressed to the point where if you were to join WoW now you'd still have to pay for all those useless expansions
The thing is, is you can't steal WoW players who've invested so much of their life into the game, developers just keep falling for the "I'll leave because my class is geting nerfed" meme.
WoWs success was grandfathered in at this point, everyone who left didn't go to another MMO especially if it was anything like WoW.
>>341972837
Relax boss. Those games are shit. Wildstar is much better.
>>341972219
I honestly don't know why people put up with this shit. Its not like software engineer jobs are difficult to get.
>>341957405
It tried to appeal to MMO's as they used to be, which is a dead market.
The only way to really keep an MMO afloat these days is to constantly offer your players new shit while expanding on old shit.
>>341961291
You can tell the animators put alot of love into the game. Such a shame.
>>341957405
>pay for shillers to spam wildstar threads in /v/ for months
>the game flops harder than wall of berlin
>"what went wrong?"
gee golly whiz what the fuck you think dipshit
should have put more effort into making actually good game
