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JRPG vs WRPG thread.
>implying WRPGs are superior
>>341916153
I can't even think of 5 Western RPGs that aren't action RPGs and aren't indie shovelware or mobileshit
>>341916153
I fucking hate that dialogue wheel shit.
>expecting a balanced discussion of this topic on an anime forum
what games let me fucknicepurple demons
>>341916153
Do you have the JRPG vs WRPG bait image with this guy in it? I can't find it anywhere.
>>341916153
There is no major difference why even bother
jRPG has evolved, now those 3 party members would have gelled hair and stylish black coats.
a wRPG has become a battlefield of action-RPG, waifu-RPG or retro grognard-RPG (where if you didn't min/max exactly how the developer intended you to then you're FUCKED; replay with a new character/party because your current one is SHIT)
>JRPGs
Good gameplay.
>WRPGs
Terrible gameplay.
You play WRPGs to roleplay, and you play JRPGs because you actually like video games.
>>341917165
This is the most pretentious thing I've read today. Non-linearity is an exaggeration in any game, even the ones where decision making is the ONLY mechanic (David Cage games, Until Dawn, Life is Strange, etc.), and most of the time it provides the same amount of content as an extra wing in a generic dungeon would provide.
Western RPGs are leagues ahead in terms of characterization and sheer balls-to-the-wall budget allows them to attempt new things, but most of the time these new things boil down to branching options that all lead to the same result and writing B movie plotlines which for some reason people think are great. The Last of Us is a zombie movie with nothing new to speak of, Life is Strange is literally just the Butterfly Effect, etc. You're playing glorified Zork, that's all any RPG will ever be, don't crawl up your own ass about it.
>>341917484
The Witcher a Tolkien fantasy? Do you even know what the game is about?
>>341918949
Don't pretend it's not.
>>341918287
>JRPG
>gameplay
>>341916153
WRPGs have Witcher 3, which is the best videogame in years.
JRPGs haven't had a decent game since Persona 4, which is eight years old.
>>341916153
Anyone have more of the cutie demon girl on the top right panel?
>>341919042
the hell are you on about?
>>341919153
>Witcher 3
>best video game in years
>>341919042
Are you mental there aren't even orcs in that game.
>>341919329
>>341919395
>Having one less race means it's not more generic slog
Okay.
>>341919326
So basically Todd is saying that he doesn't like fantasy games?
>>341916281
Baldur's Gate
Icewind Dale
Neverwinter Nights
Fallout 1/2
Planescape Torment
If you can't appreciate both WRPGs and JRPGs you're a nerd desu
>>341916153
>that top right panel
that is nice demon girl
>>341919530
>SKUB
disgusting
>>341919530
>Pro Skub
>PRO
>SKUB
AAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>341919182
Great, thanks.
>>341919523
>not more generic slog
It's not even that I don't get what you are doing right now. Are you trying to trigger me or something? Do I even need to go in-depth why the settings are or are you just fucking with me? Actually I know what you are gonna answer so instead answer me this: why the fuck do you think that The Witcher has anything to do with LOTR?
>>341919672
i thought the same thing
I was just thinking about and was wondering, any wrpg that are like the mother series in which they are modern day with surreal events? Every one I can think of is medieval/sci-fi/post apocalyptic fantasy, same for most jrpgs.
>>341919153
>Witcher 3
>Best anything
I have tried so fucking hard to like that game. It's so
fucking
boring.
The fuck is wrong with you western RPG faggots? There hasn't been a good western RPG since early 2000's.
>>341918287
>JRPG
>choose "Attack" 5 times
>choose "Item"
>choose "Potion"
>repeat
>"good" "gameplay"
>>341920040
Of the top of my head: The Persona series but there are a lot more JRPGs in that setting.
WRPGs are always either LOTR or Star Wars, so good luck with finding a WRPG in that setting
>>341919153
Witcher 3 has probably the best writing I've seen in a game, fantastic music and voice acting, and great art direction. But the gameplay is mostly mediocre, and the combat is downright terrible. The game is still good thanks to the strength of its writing, but don't try to pretend it plays well. It wasn't even the best game of 2015, let alone "in years".
>>341920128
>WRPG
>attack an enemy a few times
>repeat
>"good" "gameplay"
>>341919648
He's saying that he finds it difficult to get immersed in JRPG settings since most of them get pretty crazy.Even if he is a hack, it's not an incorrect opinion to have.
>>341918287
>you play a role playing game to role play
stop the fucking presses
>>341919182
>he has white hair
>clearly has black hair
was this character designed by todd
>>341920329
Name 5 WRPG that work like that
>>341916153
Thats a bury nice gril in that pic
>>341920458
Only after you name 5 JRPG that work like you said.
>>341919672
>>341919820
Who is this slut? Looks like Madoka.
>>341920329
>implying I'm saying WRPG gameplay is good
At least they give the player agency.
>play Japanese game
>cutscene every five seconds
>>341920271
>Witcher 3 has probably the best writing I've seen in a game
Witcher 3's writing is pretty shitty actually. The sidequests and expansions are generally a lot better than the shitfest that was the main story.
>>341920128
>JRPG
>You have a whole party to navigate in combat
>each character has a different role
>depending on the game, even the place where the character is standing is important in combat
>You have to coordinate items, spells and abilities to win a battle
>you have to coordinate the equipment of all of the characters in your party, every piece of equipment has different stats
>WRPG
>You play one guy
>You click your left mouse button to attack, maybe use a healing spell or potion but you rarely ever have to
>you choose your equipment by "how cool it looks"
>>341919530
Rock and roll.
>>341920569
>play american game
>Cinematic experience every five seconds
>>341916153
they're so fucking different it doesn't really make sense to compare. has there ever been a JRPG with real freedom of choice? where you actually could roleplay?
>jrpg
>doesnt take place in or even MENTION japan
yuji horii is a hack
>>341920674
>>you choose your equipment by "how cool it looks"
At least I can make my character look good, as opposed to what an autistic Japanese virgin thinks looks "cool"
>>341920856
but you are an autistic virgin?
>>341920847
DELETE THIS
How about instead of shit flinging we post our favorite jrpg and wrpg.
Jrpg: earthbound/mother 3
Wrpg: diablo 2
>>341920996
hey- better a wonky fellow than a yellow
>>341920632
The overall story was pretty mediocre, but the dialog and characterizations were mostly excellent.
>>341919182
Literally every weeb game.
>>341921137
Final Fantasy VIII
Morrowind
>>341921145
true that
According to OP's image, WRPGs have colour but JRPGs don't. I'm voting for WRPGs.
I was playing some FF IV and what happened to Square Enix? Their plots used to be more coherent, now it's full of retarded shit, bipedal cats with a second pair of arms on their waists, retarded swords and such shit that really makes me want to uninstall within 10 minutes of playing them.
>>341917484
>tolkein
MURICA
>>341920569
>play Western game
>the entire game is a cutscene
>>341920546
Final Fantasy.
Dragon Quest.
Persona.
Pokemon.
Breath of fire.
Suikoden.
Secret of Mana.
>>341919530
Wheres dong ?
>>341921380
>FFIV
>Coherent
>>341921380
>bipedal cats with a second pair of arms on their waists
What SE game was Kintaro in?
>play JRPG
>every character is a weaboo bait edgelord
>female characters are insufferable mary sues
JRPGs died with the GBA.
>>341919182
Easter character design in the image is wrong.
He lacks at the least 12 belts attached to various parts of his body.
>>341921576
I haven't finished it yet, just became a paladin, but it makes way more sense than any of their modern entries that I have played.
I think this picture >>341919182
is part of what is wrong with JRPGs, and FFIV seems very tame about this kind of crazy stuff so far.
>>341919530
SKUB
>>341916153
>13096859063077.png
Now that's an old one.
>>341921742
The Last Remnant
JUST
>implying jRPGs now are not a bunch of lolis in bikini armors
>>341916153
its this picture 20 years old?
because bottom left was FFVII on a nutshell.
>>341921997
I still can't believe I finished this game.
>>341922124
I wish
>>341920128
>>341920329
>Video games
>press a few buttons
>repeat
>"good" "gameplay"
I wish Western aesthetics and general character design could be combined with JRPG gameplay.
Western games have great settings (most of the time when it isn't tolkien or post apocalypse garbage) and fantastic character design, yet suffer from shitty western gameplay.
JRPGs and Eastern games have absolutely god awful character design and character roles/personalities. Mainly due to the shitty Otaku market of "everything has to be a cute girl with the latest anime stereotype, or I WONT buy it."
Anyways, name some of your favorite western rpgs and JRPGS.
Me personally, I love Legend of Grimrock 2, Darkest Dungeon, Diablo 2, SMT Strange Journey, Chrono Trigger, Secret of Mana,
>>341922048
What is the point of those belts?
>>341922313
me on the top left
>>341922408
Pleb, if you don't have atleast 20 belts you're a looser
>WRPGs
>generic medieval suit of armor or sci-fi aliens and space marines
>JRPGs
>generic flamboyant anime characters
>>341922386
>most of the time when it isn't tolkien or post apocalypse garbage
Name one WRPG that hasn't got these or a space setting
>>341922473
I bet that anon can't get any more looser than he is already.
>>341922554
Undertale
>>341921997
This game is cool.
>>341917396
>>341919182
You know, I find this pretty unfair, considering Growlanser games are massively inspired by Western RPG's.
Wayfarer of Time in particular, had huge player choice and agency, superior to the vast majority of RPG's.
>>341922640
Undertale is an homage to JRPGs, it's basically a JRPG
>>341922278
Was it bad?
I've only spent like an hour or two with it, but the battle system seemed sort of neat.
>>341922775
>developed in west by western developer
>jrpg
>>341922554
LITERALLY legend of Grimrock 2, Darkest Dungeon, Expedition conquistadors.
>>341922386
Grimrock 1 and 2 are great. 2 is hard as fuck though.
>>341922894
I like it. Specially the battle system, it will get a olt more interesting and challeging as the game goes.
>>341922894
No it's great, but all the mechanics are really obscured.
The most popular JRPGs of the last years
>Souls games, Bloodborne
The most popular WRPGs of the last years
>Skyrim
>rpg
>it has a cardgame minigame
fucking stop
>>341922386
>fantastic character design
pukechan.jpg
>>341923075
We are talking about AAA titles and not indieshit anon
>Not liking both
>>341923236
Are we?
>>341922714
I think that's the joke. Wein in particular is just an ordinary guy from a merchant family who aspires to be a knight.
In what way are Growlanser games influenced by WRPGs? I haven't found any WRPGs like it. And while there are a few routes in some of the games it's still very linear compared to other JRPGs like SaGa.
>>341923234
Are you telling me >>341922048 isn't good character design?
>>341923236
>THATS NOT ALLOWED, REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.
Name ONE JRPG that has been recently released that doesn't have a shoe horned loli archetype.
>>341923103
Legend of Grimrock 2 is literally in my top 5 games of all time.
>>341923483
>Name ONE JRPG that has been recently released that doesn't have a shoe horned loli archetype.
Dark Souls 1-3, Bloodborne
>>341923483
Dark Souls 3
it seems like both of them have taken a dive desu senpai
The last WRPG I greatly enjoyed was ME1, rest of the series was forgettable. Dragon Age Origins was stock as fuck and felt lazy despite the praise it got from everyone. I played the first Witcher, found the combat to be awful and skipped the rest.
If Dark Souls counts as JRPG it was the one I enjoyed last, but overall they have taken a turn into teen angst with awful designs everywhere, thus Souls games really stand out from the retard fashion cancer that the other games have became.
>>341923571
>>341923632
:^) Sorry, doesn't count. Those games are clearly western inspired.
>>341923356
In Wayfarer of Time, there were 42 endings and three major routes. Depending on how you fought battles, characters could live or die. Conversation choices also determined this, as did side quests.
While there were 'only' three routes, what characters lived within those routes, and their reactions to you depending on your actions, could vary wildly.
Also, I really liked the background art. I wasn't a 100% on the character art, but the background art was great.
>>341923702
by that definition Wild arms doesn't count
Still true today.
>>341923483
>Name ONE JRPG that has been recently released that doesn't have a shoe horned loli archetype.
Digimon Cyber Sleuth
>>341923435
Didn't know Tales of Berseria was a WRPG.
>>341923868
This cat is obviously superior and anyone who doesn't think so should just kill themself
>>341919737
Get Out
>>341923571
>>341923632
>asked to name JRPGs
>list technique-based hack and slash platformers
>>341924120
Does tales not look western to you?
>>341921137
JRPG: Pokemon
WRPG: Dark Souls.
>>341921137
JRPG: Chrono Trigger
WRPG: Deus Ex
>>341922894
Need an item to upgrade my weapon, okayy, look up where to get said item, drops from an enemy after I get a mazazine to make it drop. Get magazine by completing other quest that requires me to make another weapons, okaaay, need to grind an item with a 5 percent drop rate to make the weapon to complete that quest so I can begin grinding on the next--AHHHHH
>>341924137
>Horizontally condensed.
Stupid fucking retarded faggot autist are you fucking blind to the glorious cat on the right?1
>>341916153
>complaining about WRPG's
Love/relationships/fucking in WRPG's is a natural extension of being a normal human being. If you don't spend all your time on 4chan, you're going to make friends, fall in love, and fuck the people you fall in love with.
JRPG's beat around that bush most of the time, because it's tradition to have the protagonist either completely oblivious to the opposite sex, so socially inept that they turn off the opposite sex and so it becomes a huge running joke, or so insufferably one-dimensional that you're forced to make up your own head canon to fill in those blanks 'cause the developers are so socially inept that discussing that sort of thing is awkward to them.
As a result, JRPG's tend to be boring, because the relationships never go beyond the typical 'YOU'RE SUCH A GOOD FRIEND, HERE, ALLOW ME TO DESTROY THE FINAL BOSS WITH THE POWER OF FRIENDSHIP!'. You don't commiserate with people, learn to like them, and discover what you have in common with them, and not feel some kind of attraction to them. JRPG's are largely unbelievable stories that follow the same stale tropes that they've been following for ages now.
So shit on WRPG's all you like, but at least they're willing to explore those sorts of topics. For some people, that's all the social interaction they get.
>>341924486
On the house.
>>341924731
Thank you but I don't need any.
>>341922336
this
Videogames suck
>>341924137
Man, this cat is so good, they don't make them like this anymore.
>>341924137
What the fuck am I reading?
>>341924708
So a japanese dating sim is what you want in a JRPG then
>he uses the terms WRPG and JRPG to describe subgenres of RPG
>>341923809
Wild arms's artstyle has a strong japanese feel to it.
>>341919042
>The witcher 3 is based of off Tolkien
>A mixture of European fairy tales and Slavic mythology is the same as Tolkien
Weebs really don't have any concept of culture beyond Japan
>>341917484
>the Witcher
>tolkien fantasy
>doesn't have giant eagles
>no nazgul
>no orcs
>no fell beasts
>no mumakils
>no dark lord who out his soul in a phylactrey
>no giant tree men
>no wizards who are actually angels
>no Tom Bombadil equivalent
>>341924708
>caring about love in video games
What the fuck is wrong with you?
Is Mount & Blade Warband a RPG?
>>341924137
>>341923868
shit taste`
>>341919530
>No DFC option
Into the trash it goes
DARK SOULS is JP game
>>341925164
I only played Mass Effect for the dating sim elements.
I regret it.
>>341925046
Most people don't actually know what Tolkien is. They've seen the movies, and when a game is in a european-like setting and has good and bad guys, and is medieval, they associate it with Tolkien.
There isn't anything quite Tolkien like today, not even in fantasy literature. Things like D&D are producing much more spin-offs. I don't know of any games that has Tolkien-like orcs or Tolkien-like elves. The elves are always so superficial, either muh-nature obsessed, or just supposedly ancient and "high", without any history or distinct culture. Most of the times they are just calmer humans with pointy ears.
>people still consider Deus Ex an RPG and not a (stealth) FPS
That miniscule amount of stat/aug management and inventory tetris crap it has actually detracts from the game
>>341920083
>Poland
>western
>>341919182
I actually like all that weeb bullshit though. It's fun.
>>341925381
it is more of a RPG than most games labeled RPG these days
>specializing detracts from the game
Fucking leave, faggot.
>>341923571
>>341923632
>>341924347
>It's a "call Dark Souls a JRPG and watch autists get asshurt" episode
>>341924898
If they don't make it fucking weird, sure, but I don't expect that to ever happen in a JRPG because they'd get too awkward about it. When it comes to JRPG's and dating sims, they tend to be extreme opposites: JRPG's never explore their relationships, dating sims are basically nothing but and only exist to segue into porn.
If they can find a nice balance, I'd say they'd be on the right track.
I just don't see it happening. I mean, look at FF15, the next big JRPG. The entire premise of the game is camaraderie and friendship, as if that's a premise that hasn't been explored a billion times before in a billion other JRPG's.
>>341925164
Nothing's wrong with me, just that the relationships between the characters in JRPG's are bland and unbelievable, and it makes the games boring, because it's tough to support your weight with a fucked up crutch. You have to hope that your audience gets sucked into the world, which is why most of game budgets these days go into the art/graphics. They know just as well as we do that their characters are always boring and one-dimensional.
>>341916153
Bottom left is a shitty wizardry clone
>>341921137
>JRPG
Well, Kingdom Hearts is more ARPG so Tales of seires is next down the line.
>WRPG
Witcher
>>341925108
>no Nazgul
What is the Wild Hunt?
>Orcs
I give you that one
>Fell beasts
What are Wyverns etc?
>no Mumakils
Literally who cares about giant elephants?
>Dark Lord
Again, Wild Hunt
>No giant tree men
What are Leshens?
>Wizards that are actually angels
Lots of wizards and chosen ones who have world breaking powers
>Tom Bombadil
What are druids?
>>341925381
>That miniscule amount of stat/aug management and inventory tetris crap it has actually detracts from the game
None of this has to do with being an RPG, the dialogue choices and having consequences for playing the game in different ways is what makes it an RPGalbeit a very restricted and narrow one.
>>341925271
I could say the same about you.
What has your cat to offer that this cat hasn't?
>>341925640
So nothing like Tolkien?
>>341925376
This
>>341925485
>it is more of a RPG than most games labeled RPG these days
That's a load of crap. Most modern "FPSRPGs" are about equivalent to Deuce Sex when it comes to RPG elements. Or even more than it, since many give you an open world.
>specializing detracts from the game
>player puts points into enviro/swimming/hacking
>"whoops better start the game over faggot, or not, because it's easy enough to beat even gimped"
>>341925649
>the dialogue choices and having consequences for playing the game in different ways
Is Katawa Shoujo an RPG too?
>>341918721
Although I also find it obnoxious that he gets hung up on JRPGs not being "real" RPGs, which has no bearing on their quality and is a "criticism" which could also be applied to many WRPG subgenres like dungeon crawlers, he's right about them requiring little to no strategy.
Naturally this is a huge problem for a game that revolves entirely around making strategic decisions like what orders to issue to each party member, how to manage resources, what equipment/skills/items/characters to bring to each fight, how to upgrade characters, etc.
There are exceptions like later games in the Megaten franchise but even they are rarely challenging outside of boss fights, which you need to wade through hundreds of annoying trash mobs with no hope of ever scratching you to get to.
There's no reason for these fights, which aren't fun at all and take up a huge amount of play time, to exist other than to provide the necessary resources to make the fun parts of the game work; demons for fusion fodder, levels for removal of fusion limits, etc.
Surely there must be a better way of allowing the player to acquire these resources than this mobile-game tier time wasting shit.
>>341921137
JRPG: Pokemon Fire Red
WRPG:The Witcher 3
>>341925440
This.
>WRPG
>either just set in medieval times with dragons and races that could as well be human thrown in
>JRPG
>actualy fantastic, original worlds
>>341922714
>>341923778
Player agency and choice aren't exactly a western RPG-only thing, unlike many people seem to assume.
Yes, there are a lot of JRPGs that play more like visual novels with shallow RPG systems tacked on, but a lot of them also feature a focus on player choice that tops modern WRPGs, easily.
From Tactics Ogre to SMT to even fucking Atelier, actually. The images that spawned from these kinds of threads are nothing but meaningless memes, too bad retards actually take them seriously though.
>>341922408
The designer has a problem of putting things in she thinks is cool without any regard for the story or setting and I hate her for it.
Sorey's(Slay) look useless but at least he looks like he belongs in their universe in game.
>>341926023
>JRPG
>nonsensical, chaotic world where no one knows/cares/wonders how anything works or why it works like that, designed solely to create a cool superficial effect or visual impression
>>341925897
>Is Katawa Shoujo an RPG too?
It's more of an RPG than something like Borderlands, but the choices are so narrow, infrequent and confined it would be hard to class it as a full fledged RPG.
I would play WRPGs more if every single one wasn't required to be written with a thick layer of smarmy grime over every line. Characters don't talk to each other, they quip back and forth until the scene ends. The Witcher 3 was impressive on a lot of accounts, but it was the fucking worst in that regard.
It's like they're not confident in their characterization but they still want the game to take itself seriously, so they compromise by making every character sarcastic and wear the dreamworks face at all times. JRPGs may have annoying-ass characters, but at least they lean into it a little.
>>341925897
>being a retard and making a shitty build means the game is bad
No
Which FPS with RPG elements come close to Deus Ex's specialization? Try aiming with unskilled and then master and come back. You can specialize in melee attacks, plus the melee boosting aug can fuck shit up when combined.
>>341925545
>the characters in JRPG's are bland and unbelievable
Because WRPGS have such well written characters right
>>341926147
I wish we could see these characters dressing up in the morning, and see the absurdity of the situation crawl on their face.
>>341917484
You can put it more generally that western games tend to go for a more realistic visual style, which somewhat holds back the variety of settings you can get away with- Valkyria Chronicles wouldn't work if you tried to make it look super-realistic, for example. Japanese games, on the other hand, tend to draw a lot of their visual inspiration from anime and manga, which enables you to do a wider variety of settings/styles.
>>341926178
Then you are misguided, allow me to correct you. What you consider RPG elements, are in fact branching paths. Branching paths can be found in many games of many genres, without these games seeing even a bit of RPG influence. Upgradable stats and equipment management together are however mostly exclusive to games generally labeled as "RPGs".
>>341921137
JRPG: Tactics Ogre
WRPG: Baldur's Gate II
>>341926269
That's the post-modern, atheist cynical western collective apathy spreading to videogames.
Just look at most TV shows, it's similar.
>>341925545
Do you have any example of well written romance in video games that is not forced cringe material?
It's fucking stupid to say that one genre is absolutely superior to another.
SOME JRPGs are superior to SOME WRPGs, and SOME WRPGs are superior to SOME JRPGs.
For example, Fallout 2 is objectively better than Digimon World 3, yet that does not invalidate the fact that Chrono Trigger is objectively better than Dragon Age II.
>>341925640
>the wild hunt
>elves are comparable to undead kings who became what they did from greed
>druids
>comparable to Tom Bombadil
>ents
>comparable to spriggans
>Sauron
>comparable to spooky space elves
>witcher wizards
>comparable to tolkien wizards
>>341916153
Its crpg and light RPG, jrpg and wrpg are bullshit terms invented by gaming "journalist" during the late 90s
>>341925545
This is one of the major differences between the West and East that people seem to have difficulty understanding. You're looking it as most Westerners do- under the guise of realism and believability.
Japan doesn't want realism- they want fantasy.
Things will work out if you try hard enough. The princess is in love with you since you're an honest person on the side of justice.
You're not going to get raped by pus-leaking hellhounds in a brown and grey swamp, but in the West that means it's mature and realistic, because if things are too happy and nice then I can't accept it.
Also posting another cat.
>>341926147
Suspenders are just belts that go over your shirt.
>>341918721
>>341925926
Forgot to mention that also, while the level of freedom offered by the choose-your-own-adventure style decisions you can make in western games might not be that great, lots of WPRGs allow you the freedom to kill anyone you want and go anywhere you want.
I could never get into WPRGs and just followed the intended "standard" path through the game whenever I tried, so I don't know how much non-linearity this really produces but it's probably more than in things like Life is Strange.
>>341926451
Congratulation, you managed to give attention to literally the only thing that game did right to backfire your argument.
>>341916153
>WRPGS
>Having cute girls
>>341925926
Trash mobs and other time wasters are a problem in every game, unfortunately. If it's not fighting some repetitive mooks it's lengthy climbing/unscrewing/etc. animations or fetch quests. The only real way around it seems to be enemy placement to allow for more engaging experiences, because it doesn't waste resources making a billion new enemies for each area but still keeps things fresh. The better parts of DS exemplify this, the enemies barely change but their placement makes what would otherwise be boring encounters a thinking process.
>>341919657
Okay now name one from the last decade
>>341920551
this is nice girlher name is bury pink grill, she's an [s4s] meme
>>341926629
I disagree. There isn't a single JRPG I like, and I've tried a few.There isn't a lot of good recent WRPG either, though
If you're a westerner and you don't prefer western things, you're a self-hater
>>341926451
I can cherry pick too
>>341926697
wow, another shit-tier cat. Why won't you recognize that your taste in cats is shit?
>>341926680
Light RPG is a very good genre name that should be used much more widely.
I'm not sure about CRPG, I think that's a pre-Baldur's Gate genre that doesn't really exist anymore
>>341926974
what if i like both
>>341916153
>wrpg
>having fuckable 10/10 demon girl cuties with heart pupils
Fucking bullshit
If it was true I would play the shit out of wrpgs.
Sadly there is only ugly butterface elves or literal gay bulls as love interest
>>341926617
I hate it in fucking everything. Can't talk to a person about their interests without them putting a million disclaimers before saying they like it like "it's stupidly good" or "I know it's dumb but". If you like something just fucking like it, stop preemptively worrying about someone judging your taste.
are there any spooky jrpgs?
Can we talk about music and atmosphere? I enjoy both genres, but I always end up playing custom music in the background to replace the game's OST or lack of.
Western games tend to sound so forgettable or copied and pasted while Japs always have amazing music. Dark Souls is silent for the most part but when Sakuraba tries it's god tier.
Western music reminds me of the stuff picked for bible movies or something used for depicting the Roman Empire. But Jap tracks cover just about every genre.
Why is that? And if someone has a western game with memorable music I'd gladly listen.
>>341926624
Drakengard's Caim and Angelus. Also Zack and Aeirith.
>>341927046
I would classify bauldrs gate as a crpg
>>341926629
>acting reasonable
That's not the point of this thread. The point is to prove our opinions to be right
>>341927071
>#RideTheBull
>>341927132
Parasite Eve
>>341927194
That looks like a tranny, Anon.
Are you gay?
>>341927020
Say that to my face faggot and see what happens
>>341926837
fuck
>>341921137
SMT 2
Fallout 2
>>341927137Oblivion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LY41Q1FYokQ
Shame that the game is shit
>>341926837
Divinity original sin
>>341927132
Sweet Home.
>>341927282
That's not a tranny
This is a tranny
>>341926837
New Vegas
Oblivion
Wasteland 2
KOTOR 2
Pillars of Eternity
Witcher 2 & 3
Mass Effect
Dragon Age Origins
Deus Ex: Human Revolution
>Name 5 good JRPGs since 2000 not including soulsborne
>>341927306
Try me faggot
>>341927441
>Jeremy Soule
Literally the best video game composer on this side of the planet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ph69o2lurEY
>>341927137
Deus Ex. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psaadT7JS9E
I know what you mean though. It's very rare to find a WRPG soundtrack that isn't the same motif used over and over and over again
>>341921137
jrpg: Chrono Trigger
wrpg: Morrowind. bcuz nostalgia
>>341927137
Western games have adopted a Hollywood view of "fuck the soundtrack, we'll throw in one set piece song and the rest will just be generic mood setters". Probably has a lot to do with Western artists with any talent getting snatched up and signed.
Does anyone else generally dislike jrpg's but love Final Fantasy 8? FF8 is the only jrpg that ever hooked me in. I have a theory that the game is so polarizing because it appeals to people who don't really like jrpg's and it turns off people who traditionally like them.
>>341927137
>tfw replacing most of the music in video games with touhou arranges
>>341926837
Avadon is recent, and there's also recent reboots of Avernum 1 & 2.
>>341919530
>no DFC
It's shit but I'll play anyways.
JRPGs suk
>>341927785
I'm a JRPG fan and I fucking despite Final Fantasy in general. Only the spinoffs like Tactics or Crystal Chronicles (the first one only, though) manage to get my attention.
You can probably guess, but I loathe FF8 as well.
>>341927880
god-tier taste right there
>>341927785
No its because 10 year old faggots thought ff7 was going to continue being squall and their loveintrest sephy-kun. Then they found out its a new cast and cry to this day that its a bad Final Fantasy game.
>>341927686
I like Human Revolution's music, namely the ambient tracks.
https://youtu.be/gxEMDxTpwsw
https://youtu.be/vRI70ToeEN8
>>341921137
FFX
Jade Empire
>>341927665
Your cat may eat human food, but it's not wearing human clothing
>>341927589
Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey
Etrian Odyssey Untold 2
Bravely Default
Wild Arms 3
Yggdra union
>>341927589
Final Fantasy XIII-2
Dragons Dogma
Star Ocean
Kingdom Hearts
Bravely Default
>>341928096
Cloud. Not squall.
>>341921137
JRPG: Chaos Rings. If the series wasn't on iOS /v/ would have properly discovered years ago and been riding its' dick ever since
WRPG: New Vegas
>>341927961
>its been 18 years and there still is not a single game that has surpassed Might & Magic 6's amazing dungeon design
why even live
>>341916465
it's actually out balanced by amount of redditor who came here.
>>341927919
Slaaneesh wants only the greatest luxuries in life. Flat chests are for not worthy of the god of excess.
>>341921137
Jrpg: Dark Souls 2
Wrpg: Skyrim
>>341928194
Wow, not only a shitty taste in cats but also a shitty taste in cat hats. That's a new low anon
>>341927589
good
meh
bad
good
alright
bad & not good
not good
bad
wouldnt count it
>>341927589
Digital Devil Saga
Mother 3
Resonance Of Faith
Lost Odyssey
Paper Mario The Thousand Year Door
>>341916153
>10 minutes cutscene attack
>>341927715
i hate how true this is more often than not. not an RPG, but mortal kombat is a great example of this shit.
MK2 music - recognizable melody, very distinct style and instruments
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2cXnAPPmzM
MKX music - some orchestral/industrial mess with no discernible rhythm or melody
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQhDXsboqNg
>>341921137
jrpg: lunar silver star complete
wrpg: divine divinity
>>341918287
>Terrible gameplay.
>Chrono Trigger has better gameplay than ME3
>>341927683
>I live in Maryland
>If I ever got the funds for my game I'd probably be able to easily contract him to make music for it since he has a track record of working with Maryland-based companies
It's fun to dream.
>>341928215
>Star Ocean
>Last Hope doesn't have a number
>didn't know where to start
>mfw
I regret everything. Integrity looks promising but I'm really on the fence about going for it or just playing the first despite how dated it is.
>>341927589
Not him but:
SMT: Nocturne
Shiren the wanderer
Etrian Odyssey (all of them)
DDS: Avatar Tuner
Touhou Soujinengi - The Genius of Sappheiros
>>341917484
>TES is now "Tolkien fantasy
gr8b8m8
>>341921137
Grandia
Divinity Original Sin
>the tired WRPG vs JRPG war will never end
Personally ive always enjoyed JRPGs more because the more colorful, more emotional, melodrama over the top characters design bullshit that people always shit on them for. Also the soundtracks are usually quite a bit better desu. The only WRPGs ive even enjoyed were Baldurs Gate and the Everquest games (RIP)
>>341928368
But that is wrong. Do you even Slaanesh?
>>341927589
New Vegas = mediocre
Oblivion = Bandits with Daedric armor kek.
Wasteland 2 = Graphics kek
KOTOR 2 = Star wars, 2016 KEk
Pillars of eternity = plays like it's from 1999
Witcher 2&3 are both great games, if skyrim is considered a great game, kekekekekek.
Mass effect = this is what people consider a rpg in 2016. why even bother.
Dragon age orgins = pls don't
Deus Ex Human Revol.. = WE WUZ CYBORGS AND SHEIT
>>341927589
Atelier Ayesha
Etrian Odyssey
Strange Journey
Ar tonelico II
Contact
Radiant Historia
Dragon's Dogma
Ys: Oath in Felghana
Dungeon Travelers 2
Baten Kaitos
XenobladeX
Odin Sphere
GrimGrimoire
Growlanser IV
Soul Nomad
Do you want me to continue?
>>341928596
yeah it actually does
>>341919530
HERESSYYYYY
>>341928395
How vulgar. He thinks he can just put on a fancy hat to become a gentleman, but he lacks refinement.
>>341928661
i have played no touhou ever and know literally not a single scrap of knowledge about it. can i play that game and fully enjoy it? it looks fun
>>341927589
It was good WRPGs that weren't also Action RPGs. This guy >>341927456 got it, I forgot about that title even though one of my coworkers recently picked it up and was talking about it.
I dunno though, JRPG vs WRPG is pretty silly. They're both very different games, and WRPGs of the late 90's and early 00's are extremely different from WRPGs of today. WRPGs now are synonymous with Action RPG. You don't get one without shooting or hacking and slashing. Of course they do get released, but it's not as AAA titles or anything popular. Very niche. Meanwhile JRPGs have a pretty solid mix of releases that are classic and newer. Bravely Default/Second for 3DS was a very refreshing take on classic styled games/
It all comes down to preference though. It's just video games. I don't like AAA WRPGs. I like AAA JRPGs. I try to not be too harsh on Western releases but in the end my own preference and bias is what it is. I'm getting FFXV and P5 and FFXII HD and KH3 day one. There isn't a single WRPG I'm looking forward to. Again, it's just games. People like what they like.
>>341920297
This is a parody right? This list goes for every game that has ever existed
>>341928790
could you at least try and not type like a complete underage dipshit? thanks
>>341927589
NieR
Nocturne
Soul Nomad
Fire Emblem Awakening
Bravely Default
>JRPG shitters hate WRPGs
>WRPG shitters hate JRPGs
>Shitposters hate both
>Not being a RPG idort
>>341928957
All character interactions and jokes will just fly over your head but yes
What RPG should I buy during the Steam sale? Thinking Divinity: Original Sin.
>>341917484
>>341928667
not that dude
it's tolkein with a bit of sci-fi thrown in
that said, that image is cherry picking as fuck
>>341922048
Why do people still buy Tales games? For fuck sake do they like getting fucked by Baba that much?
>>341928957
Knowing a bit of character background surely helps but yeah, you can pick the game and run it no problem.
There's an english patch too.
>>341928770
I agree completely.
>>341927715
You're right and I hate it. Aside from top of the charts featured songs, Hollywood music is like stagnant water. I think the last movie I watched with music that actually struck me was Hanna.
>>341924347
Not to mention how the Souls games are all heavily inspired by Western culture. The design of pretty much any piece of gear that isn't said to be super special tends to pretty historically accurate. For a Japanese-made game, at least.
>>341929102
what do i need to play to get some grasp on it?
if it's too much to explain then dont worry about it
>JRPG
>press x to watch the battle
>>341917484
Could easily replace "Tolkien fantasy" with "Medieval Europe fantasy" and no one could refute that and you'd be making the same point.
>>341929114
if you've not played divine divinity yet then just buy that right now for $5 instead
its infinitely better and hasnt aged badly
>>341925108
It's not that it's missing those specific things, it's just a way of criticizing generic fantasy settings tbqh
>>341920654
Underrated post
>>341929218
Because they're a weeaboo's first ARPG and appeal to the lowest common denominator.
>>341926147
Ludger is /fa/ as fuck.
>>341929102
Don't pretend the touhou games have major plots.
>>341929230
http://moriyashrine.weebly.com/introduction-to-touhou.html
The download things aren't linked on page any more so:
http://moriyashrine.weebly.com/classic-era-th6th95.html
http://moriyashrine.weebly.com/modern-era-1-th10th125.html
http://moriyashrine.weebly.com/modern-era-2-th128th15.html
>>341928895
It's no use arguing with you, you obviously just enjoy eating shit
>>341929230
Just read up on everybody's basic character backgrounds or else stuff will just not make sense
>>341925640
>Tolkien invented all of this
>>341927020
>>341927306
>>341927665
>>341928194
>>341928395
>>341928895
Shut the fuck up and kiss already faggots, in the process post more cats.
>>341921137
Dragon Quest V
Fallout: New Vegas
>>341921137
J - Persona 4 Golden
W - Fallout New Vegas
>>341929549
>>341929524
thanks
>>341921137
Chrono Trigger
Mass Effect3 :^)
>>341920654
I've never understood this image. Are they implying that WRPGs are akin to rhythm games? or that combat in western games resembles dancing in some way?
>>341929114
Underrail and Age of Decadence are both unique and cool. Divinity OS is great for co-op.
>>341921137
JRPS: Breath Of Fire II
WRPG: tough choice, it's either Fallout New Vegas or Baldurs Gate.
>>341928770
if you liked bg, try planescape torment, icewind dale, and fallout 1 and 2
also kotor 1 and kotor 2 with tslrcm are both good games
>>341929672
Dodge/block, swing/shoot, dodge/block, swing/shoot, repeat.
>>341929524
Touhou games have the most simplistic stories ever but they actually work.
How does ZUN: the alcoholic madman do it?LoLK was a mistake.
>>341917484
What's the difference between Tolkien and High Fantasy?
>>341921137
I would but you've got me super scured by the spoopy skeleington
>Final fantasy will never be good
>There hasn't been a good mainline final fantasy game this millennium
>>341929672
>or that combat in western games resembles dancing in some way?
The majority of CRPGs work in a quasi-turnbased system, where all actions take the same amount of time.
>>341929546
Sometimes I forget I share a board with such plebeians.
It is my cross to bear.
I don't know why these fandoms even have a rivalry. Esepcially since there are good japanese wrpgs(souls) and good western jrpgs (LISA, for instance).
>>341929672
>combat in western games resembles dancing in some way
Haven't you ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight?
>>341929820
Tolkien is shit that got plagiarized so much it's generic fantasy, high fantasy is fantasy that resembles reality the least.
>>341926171
>WRPG
>nonsensical, chaotic world where no one knows/cares/wonders how anything works or why it works like that
The only difference is that in WRPG everything looks like shit.
>>341919530
rollan now
>>341927589
>OP complaining about western RPGs being about fuck subplots and other shitty fluff
>lists Dragon Age and Mass Effect
>>341929924
I pity your poor taste.
>>341926146
The greatest agency the vast majority of JRPG'S give you is what character you end up with in the end. Often, they don't even have a route.
There are exceptions to that, but significant player choice is more a hallmark of western RPG's, not Eastern.
>>341917396
Growlancer is bait? Man that series actually has depth. It has actual dialogue choices, side missions, and is one of the very few JRPGs to have serious depth to the combat and mission variety.
The art however is literally done by a porno artist
>>341919530
Plz plz plz
>>341929958
>high fantasy is fantasy that resembles reality the least.
Fucking wot
>>341926147
A strap with a buckle isn't automatically a belt.
>>341929254
Final Fantasy is to JRPG's what BioWare RPG's are to WRPG's.
Basically genre killing games.
>>341919530
Rolls
>>341929546
>>341929924
>Cats fighting amongst themselves.
Birds are the future.
>>341921531
Anon I think you accidentally saw a movie instead
I thought it was just a meme that every jrp was just like Pokemon, final fantasy, or mother.
Is this seriously a thing?
>>341916153
>caring about "no fingers: the genre
Who the fuck cares about WRPGs or JRPGs, go play some real games.
japanese games > western games btw.
>>341929903
>majority
The majority of CRPGs are turn based by sheer number of them being released in the 80s and 90s
>>341930049
Even when the player has freedom in a JRPG, it's usually not enough to really make a difference or shape the character because Japs aren't thinking with westerners in mind or the types of character types they pursue.
>>341930216
Eh, it's vague but I couldn't come up with a decent definition. In low fantasy there's much less magic or other races, it's mostly like the real world with a few fantastic elements in it. In high fantasy you get more races, magic is everywhere and mostly everything depends on the fantasy aspects.
>>341919530
I think I learned today that I have serious demonwaifu fetish.
What are good websites/vidya
>>341930107
>The art however is literally done by a porno artist
Is that supposed to be a negative? It's pretty normal in Japan to start with art career with porn or even to maintain it on the side.
I even remember fapping to some of his stuff back in the late 90's. Good times.
>>341930039
He's going to fall off that counter, presumably to land into the trash where he belongs.
>>341918949
Its a bait image
>>341919530
rollino
>>341930448
You don't really shape a character in most JRPGs with player choices because japs prefer to do the silent protagonist instead, which isn't a bad thing in the least.
Much better than Bioware's or CDPR's cancer, at least.
>>341918721
Why are you mentioning things that are not even RPGs like the Last of Us.
Icy's article mentions things such as Ultima and Fall out as examples of non-linearity. Are you seriously suggesting that the difference between Ultima 4 and FF's level of open-endedness is a minor point.
>>341920632
Please point out to me a Japanese RPG oh so superior.
One of the things that passes me off about JRPGs is that you're 99% of the time always a teenage boy.
God dammit branch out a tad.
>>341926146
Really?
Reminds me of some Nintendrone in a Zelda thread that claimed BotW was the first game ever to implement climbing on anything and going up to a high point in the map to gain more knowledge of the land.
>>341926269
So you never played any side quest? Or did you mistake Cisquisition for Witcher? Every character in that game was a walking Joss Whedon quote machine.
You're seriously going to claim the Bloody Baron, Gaunter O'dimm, Crookback Big witches, and numerous other characters were quip machines compared to recent JRPGS dialogue and characterization? That's hilarious.
>>341917484
I always love how unbelievably asspained this pic makes people.
On the real, you anti-JRPG fags need to try the SaGa franchise.
>actively fucks your face if you try to grind
>final bosses get harder the more extra shit you do
>open as fuck, replayable as fuck
>no long boring cutscenes, 99% pure gameplay
>powerful enemies can take 7 turns in a row because fuck you
>>341930392
>japanese games > western games btw
it depends
i like my FPS games and nips can't into FPS worth a shit (gits first assault lol). but i also like my fightan and japan mops the floor with the west on that front.
>>341930559
I know this picture is supposed to be bait but all the points it makes are actually true
>>341921137Super Mario RPG and modded-Oblivion.
>>341930719
No cutesy bullshit? If it meets that requirement then it looks fucking rad.
>>341916153
Honestly, I always have trouble getting into JRPGs. The only ones I've beaten are Persona 4, Bravely Default and FFX, none of which were all too great if I'm bring honestly. I guess if we're counting Dark Souls and Dragon's Dogma then those too, but we're talking about the traditional turn based ones yeah? They're just so boring. I didn't find joy in Persona's combat, also those dungeons were trash. Bravely Default had a good combat system, its just a shame I had to play it on a stupid handheld. Final Fantasy was very off and know for me, I loved it at some points but Jesus fuck was it tedious and boring at times.
Name me a good JRPG to play /v/, I feel like I'm missing out.
>>341930696
>bog witches
>>341930559
whats the second game under the jrpg real time section
>>341930559
Setting:
Literally preferred licensed children's cartoons over some of the most lore heavy worlds of all
>story
If you actually thought the politics in ff tactics was anything well written you really need to play better games
>turn based combat
You do realize JRPgs are literally wizardry clones?
Reminder that JRPG means its panders to autistic shut in NEETs
Remember that WRPG means it panders to chad dude normalfags
Reminder to Remember that Dark Souls is a WRPG.
>>341930914
Try CT and CC, they're pretty neat once you get past the first parts.
>>341930914
Just go play the japanese ports of older WRPGs that inspired them.
>>341925440
>btfo
>h-hey but is f-fun!
Don't use that buzzword ever agian, shithead.
>>341930914
grandia 2
>>341930914
SMT IV or soul hackers?
>>341920674
>>depending on the game, even the place where the character is standing is important in combat
that is fucking one game you autismo, and its literally the only good JRPG because it requires some form of higher brain function to complete.
>>341926974
>le hardcore WRPG vs le otaku moeshit JRPG
why do people cherry pick just to make others angry.
Shit exists on both sides.
>>341930049
All the games I mentioned feature different routes and endings depending on your in-game choices and actually change throughout the course of your adventure to reflect them, though. I understand the vast majority of popular JRPGs don't work this way, but I feel that's like saying Mass Effect or post-Morrowind TES are representative of the entirety of WRPGs.
>>341930696
>Reminds me of some Nintendrone in a Zelda thread that claimed BotW was the first game ever to implement climbing on anything and going up to a high point in the map to gain more knowledge of the land.
Where in my post did I claim anything similar? I just felt the need to mention that JRPGs can also pull off player choice well, shitposter-san.
>>341920674
I take it you've never played DA:O?
>>341930560
>He's going to fall off that counter, presumably to land into the trash where he belongs.
That seems more like the course your life took.
>>341930895
What do you mean by cutesy bullshit? Like moe characters? The games are really light on characterization, but there's some great scenes. Like if your main character is Sif in Romancing SaGa, when she confronts the final boss, he goes on a tangent about how tormented he is and she gives him this:
>Give me a break, you big baby. You sound like some kid who got beat up at school. Pull yourself together. Show a little dignity!
So good, dude. Just don't take these games lightly because they WILL fuck your face.
>>341931191
>why are people on 4chan, a website designed and which canonically exists to Make Other People Angry, trying to make people angry?
>Dark Souls is not a JRPG
I found this a curious statement and went to do some research on the matter.
Here's an excerpt I found from Wikipedia.
>While Western computer developers continued to explore the possibilities of real-time RPG gameplay to a limited extent,[12] Japanese developers, with their recently aroused interest in the RPG genre, created a new brand of action/RPG, combining the RPG genre with arcade-style action and action-adventure elements.[13][14] This trend of combining RPG elements with arcade-style action mechanics was popularized by The Tower of Druaga,[14] an arcade game released by Namco in June 1984. However, the company often considered the pioneer of the new action RPG genre is Nihon Falcom,[1] which produced the Dragon Slayer series and won its reputation as the progenitor of the action RPG genre.[15] Dragon Slayer was created by Yoshio Kiya,[16] who built on the action RPG elements of his previous game Panorama Toh,[11] as well as The Tower of Druaga.[14] Falcom's Dragon Slayer series abandoned the command-based battles of previous RPGs in favour of real-time hack-and-slash combat that requires direct input from the player, alongside puzzle-solving elements.[1] The original Dragon Slayer,[16] originally released for the PC-8801 computer in September 1984,[17] is often considered to be the first true action-RPG.
So the first true action-RPG was a japanese game.
There you have it folks, not only is Dark Souls a JRPG but by extension all action RPG's actually stem from and are influenced by japanese games like Dragon Slayer and Nihon Falcom
Westaboo status: BTFO
>>341917484
>Dragon Age
>Tolkenian
I've only played DA:O, but that game was distinctly a high-fantasy REJECTION of Tolkenian fantasy's fixation on the Christian value of good vs evil. The game reveled in moral ambiguity and often mocked their universe's "Church of the Maker" or whatever it was called.
>Elder Scrolls
>Tolkenian
You've got to be shitting me. The mythology is more Hindi than anything. Just because the province we most recently saw was heavily Nordic-influenced does not mean that the universe as a whole takes influence from the same places Tolkien did.
>Mass Effect
>Star Wars Fantasy
Part of the reason Star Wars was so noteworthy was because it was some of the first mainstream Space Opera to fully embrace the idea of "Space Fantasy" and not try to give a sci-fi explanation for everything. Mass Effect is the opposite - most mainstream game devs don't like to give scientific explanations in their so-called "sci-fi", but Mass Effect took great pleasure in explaining down to intricate detail why the Normandy's engines worked or how it was that different species could all communicate without taking the time to learn each others' communication methods.
>Witcher
>Tolkenian fantasy
Okay, now by this point I KNOW that you're just a shittier, but I've typed too much by now to stop because I've got a flow going. One of the most talked-about facets of Das Wiedźmin is how uniquely Polish it is. Tolkein drew almost entirely from Nordic and Anglo-Saxon mythology. Poland is not part of western Europe. That should be fucking obvious.
>>341930559
>>341930849
except it's not because it's massively cherry-picked
>>341930559
nitpicking.jpg
>>341930914
Tales of Xillia 1+2. Purse Owner wise I enjoyed P3P because BABYBABYBABYBABY gets old and the start up to P3P's battle theme (If you play FemMC) is a lot more tolerable.
>>341930914
Soul Nomad is pretty fun, albeit entirely different from anything you've played before.
If you want a more traditional, generic turn-based RPG, give Suikoden II, SMTII or Strange Journey a try.
>>341921137
JRPG:Bloodporn
WRPG:Morrowind
>>341931013
YS origins i think.
>>341929693
>>341929114
Both Underrail (-30% off) and Age of Decadence (-50% off) are on sale on GoG right now in case you don't like Steam DRM.
>>341931304
>What do you mean by cutesy bullshit? Like moe characters?
Yeah, I hate that shit.
Game looks pretty neat, thanks man. Gonna try it out sometime soon.
>>341931282
DA:O is a broken mess when it comes to gameplay, though.
>>341930836
>nips can't into FPS worth a shit (gits first assault
Last I checked nips were Japanese, First Ass is developed by South Koreans which is even worse.
>>341919530
Roo
>>341930321
>>341931287
Birds are not very important and that cat sold out to the cheezburger network.
Also I think I'm growing bored of posting cat pictures.
>>341931648
Yeah, it's horrible. None of the statements are true though.
>>341930895
Only one cutesy character and that is in Unlimited Saga. Most aren't man enough to go through that game.
>>341930719
Though that isn't the case for the Gameboy games, but even then they are good since the first two has different races and they ALL develop differently. I love it when there actually is a huge difference among the races rather than a slight magic boost or being a bit more durable. How about the only way to get stronger is to transform by consuming other monsters?
>anything I don't like is Tolkien
>>341931679
weakling
>>341931304
Saga frontier was great for completely breaking the game
>Be Asellus
>Learn EVERYTHING
>>341916153
Where's that pic in the same style comparing Mario RPG, JRPG and WRPG?
>>341921137
Romancing SaGa: Minstrel Song
Fallout
Fuck all you faggots
Bring back settings like might and magic and the later wizardry games
>>341931825
Not to mention the fact that there were so many fucking possibilities. Speaking of Asellus, she's got THREE different possible endings for her scenario alone.
>>341931935
Not brown enough and too much gameplay for wrpgfags of today.
>it's not animeNEET shit so it's tolkein!
>>341931465
>A game is an RPG only if it's an "ARPG"
The way a mechanic (in this case combat) is handled in an game, whether it's real time or TB, it's barely an indication about the genre of said game.
RPGs are about Choice & Consequences in a sand box settings more than combat mechanics implementation.
>>341931595
thanks
i've literally beaten that game 5+ times and somehow still couldn't quite figure out what i was looking at
embarrassing
>>341917165
Is this that Kierkegaard faggot?
>>341932118
So wizardry is not an RPG?
>>341931952
And then there's lute which can be beaten in like an hour
>>341921137
>jrpg
idk, it's been so long since i've played a jrpg through to completion. the gameplay doesn't appeal to me like it did when i was a lot younger.
maybe ffcc with friends
>wrpg
kotor 2, but there are a lot of wrpgs i really enjoy
>>341928592
good taste on both accounts
>>341921830
>FFIV seems very tame about this kind of crazy stuff so far.
fuckin lol
keep playing friend, iv is only surpsased by viii in terms of retarded story
>>341931767
Fuck off cunt
If it's socially acceptable, it is not a JRPG.
>>341932227
>wizardry
H&S or Dungeon Crawler.
The term RPG is by far the most misused terms in vidya.
>>341919530
>pro skub
>>341918721
>Western RPGs are leagues ahead in terms of characterization
What characters exactly because western characters are just as trope filled as Japanese ones. Just different ones.
There has been good and bad on both sides which will never change for as long as games exist.
>>341925640
>Literally who cares about giant elephants?
Who doesn't?
>>341932626
>being anti-skub
>>341931304
>Just don't take these games lightly because they WILL fuck your face.
It is always good to go in dry and restart a few times to learn how the game plays to be honest. At least that is how I play that series.
>>341931490
Stop making sense with your complex plots, the weeaboos can't handle it.
Seriously, weeaboos hate on anime that breaks normal genre conventions. Why expect any more complexity with other media?
And as Miyazaki said, these NEETS grow up never having much human observation. God dammit you can be introverted. I'm a writer who isn't extremely social. Just go out and observe daily menial interaction and consume media with characters outside your comfort zone to absorb what people and cultures are like. Then these NEETS get older, get their dead parents' money eventually, and make the same narrow minded media they consume. It all ends up the same, and all ends up making the most money off the physical appearance of the characters and the aesthetic of the setting, no substance at all.
Reality TV and documentaries suffered from this in the West.
Are SaGa wannabes acceptable too?
Also Bianca=Asellus
>>341933053
100% mapping bonuses and shit area design really killed that game for me, what a shame.
>>341933053
No Kawazu no play.
>>341922336
>Life
>Do a few things
>Repeat
I'm just going to kill myself.
>>341928596
> Menu based gameplay > action RPG
End yourself
>>341920128
All I'll say to this post is Skyrim
There are good Western RPGs.
There are good JRPGs
There are bad WRPGs
There are bad JRPGs.
It doesn't matter which one is on average worse, because you can simply play the best games from each, and if you don't like any from a genre, then that's okay too.
>>341928363
Yeah, that's where all the autistic weebshits came from.
>>341932995
>weeaboos hate on anime that breaks normal genre conventions
This is true. A lot of people hated Tales of the Abyss because everyone was a dick to each other and the MC acted like an actual person in his situation.
>>341933585
Is there even a choice? Of course pull it for All Star.
>>341919182
>Western character
He needs to be self insert bait for pathetic redditors who want to believe they're subtley smart and capable, and well liked. They'll become the hero in a way that let's people with no redeeming features believe they could do something like that.
>Eastern
Figure out the lore/world and then get crazy with it. All bets are off.
More comparison pics lads
>>341932995
I just wanted to say that this post is amazingly stupid. That's all.
>>341933661
I hated Abyss because even though half the party knew that Lukewas technically just a scared little 11 year old boyall along they STILL treated him like shit for trusting the only person in his life that ever treated him like a person, fuck every single faggot in that party, I hate them all so much.
>>341916153
>The woman in WRPGs now
There is no WRPG in the past several years that has had a sexy woman to romance.
They are all ugly as shit and if we're talking Bioware they are now all oily as well.
>>341919530
LEEEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOY JEEEEEEEENKIIIIIIIIINNNSSSSSS
>>341933661
there's literally almost no wrpgs that do that by their own accord though. and in games with freedom to do it yourself you're usually punished
>>341934386
>he doesn't want to incur any punishments for his wrongdoings
Americlaps, everyone!
JRPG
>spiky haired protagnist whos village was attacked by demons
>he must collect the 10 crystals of power before Setshomon turns the world into nothingness
or
>Generic moe blobs doing cute anime girl things
>shit plot and subpar gameplay
>lots of boobs though
Try and refute this
>>341933957
No but that's wrong. They were mad because he wouldn't own up to the situation. He immediately didn't want to take the blame which just set everyone off.
Any good jrpg for snes or gba?
what's the jrpg with the best plot
>>341935104
uhh all of them?
>>341935225
Kiseki, of course
>>341934818
Any games that have the best of both?
>>341931698
>Birds are not very important
>>341919182
Those both sound really boring.
What are the flaws in the western character? What's his inner turmoil? Why does he start off showing great leadership, instead of developing into a great leader? He's just as bland as the weeb because there's nothing dynamic.
>>341934818
Play any JRPG that doesn't have a fantasy setting or high school setting, then.
>>341935104
the goat series
>>341934818
>Some guy sick of his world and looking for paradise
>Constantly going up a tower to see if they can find paradise
>Find worlds with floating islands
>Ruined futuristic cities
>Land of palm trees, an ocean, and beaches
>Still don't even know what paradise is suppose to be
>>341935225
Kingdom Hearts
>>341921137
JRPG: Rhapsody, A Musical Adventure
WRPG: System Shock 2.
Anyone know any other JRPGs like Rhapsody? I really liked that whimsical innocence and the detailed spritework.
>>341935104
Golden Sun
>>341935610
You forgot
>Meet God
>cut him in half with a fucking chainsaw and keep climbing
>>341924708
>implying you have time to love while the world is getting fucked up in the apocalypse
>>341920458
Oblivion
Skyrim
Inquisition
Fallout 3
Fallout 4
JRPGs barely even let you select your character's race. That's pretty boring.
>>341934818
>dad kicks you out of his house after you decide you want to be a bounty hunter rather than follow in his footsteps as a mechanic
>unearth a tank and explore a completely open post-apocalyptic world
>hunt bounties, buy picasso and dali's masterpieces, get a tattoo, customize the shit out of your tank all the way down to putting a teddy bear in the backseat
Play more JRPGs faget
>>341935816
>Meet God
>Kill God
Ok guys that was fun let's not keep going though I'm good
Remember E.V.E?
That was a great game.
>>341929069
>Fire Emblem Awakening
You had a plethora of good FE and you chose one of the worst from the past decade.
why do nips make every half decent game into a big fucking franchise and every game in it takes well over 20 hours to beat
seriously why
>>341936092
> Meet God
> God brings you back to life.
>>341936176
>Don't play casual mode
>Marry Chrom or give Sully
>kill all the women and trash boys
Fixed the game.
>>341936092
>>341935816
WHAT WAS BEHIND THE FUCKING DOOR? WAS IT ANOTHER TOWER?
>>341936057
There are three races that develop radically differently in this Gameboy game : >>341935610
Humans need potions to upgrade their agility, strength, and hit points so the only point of battles for them is to gain money for equipment and upgrade potions. Mutants gained stats after battles and randomly learned spells after battles as well. Monsters had to consume meat of other monsters and they could either grow stronger or weaker along with their own stats, skills, and weaknesses/resistances.
Serious question but what settings do people want to see used more often in any kind of RPGs. A shit ton of people are complaining about the over usage of medieval, post-apocalyptic, high fantasy, space and anime high schools so I'm curious on what setting should deserve more love.
>>341935885
>implying you wouldn't be more likely to fall in love as you spend a ton of intimate time together in what could be your last days
>implying there wouldn't be nonstop fucking as you spend your nights together camping or in the inn
>>341931490
See >>341929309
Stop, you can't argue against that image after that fix.
>>341932995
See >>341933842
>>341936408
>play lunatic
>pair up MU and Chrom
>game is still easy as fuck because pair up and second seals are broken and enemy AI is absolute trash
Ok bro
>>341936514
"God" was probably the DM of the tower.
It was probably just his world.
>>341936520
Modern day without being a high school setting. Scenarios involving young adults.
>>341934818
>Lots of boobs
Wait, is this argument for or against jrpgs?
Because that sounds pretty swag
>>341920674
Dragon Age Origins is my favorite JRPG
>>341921137
grimrock 2
dark souls 1
>>341921137
Chrono Trigger
Dragon Age: Origins
>>341926680
>Its crpg
No, fuck you. Anyone who uses the term crpg should drink bleach.
>>341934818
Shin Megami Tensei series.
There, you're easily proven wrong.
>>341933585
Well, I can just walk away and hold my hands over my ears, its not like the trolley can stop me from walking away from it
>>341921137
Jade Empire. Fuck JRPG.
>>341934818
I'm pretty sure there's not even a single Final Fantasy game like that.
>>341937217
6, 8, 10, 11, 12 at the very least
>>341935678
I'm still surprised no Xehanort tried betraying the other Xehanorts
>>341927306
I want to fuck this pussy so badly.
Someone draw it in human form.
>>341937163
jade empire was pretty mediocre. shit gameplay, lack of setpieces or anythingcool
I still liked it but bioware peaked with me1
>>341936520
the original ones
like post-apo magic rome
or mushroom volcanic island
or fantasy industrial revolution
or planescape. I love fucking planescape
jrpgs are so shitty
LITERALLY clicking menus while your fruity little character does a stupid little cutscene attack.
>>341937349
>6, 8, 11, 12
Not at all
>6
You not only fail to stop the crazy asshole clown, there is nothing about collecting powers of whatever in it
>8
The plan goes according to what Ultimecia wanted and you just fix afterwards
>11
You just flat out beat the evil guys for being evil and on the one continuity that Promathia managed to win you still kill it
>12
Its about a political plot and not only you do not stop the bad guy you end up agreeing with him by accident
>>341937589
JRPG with a setting where Rome went east instead of west
Like FE Fates but good
>>341937349
Maybe, if you stop reading at "spiky haired protagonist".
JRPGs serve a more niche audience which is why I like them more.
>>341938126
>niche audience
In the west anyways.
>that kid who calls Zelda games RPG
>>341938385
what about zelda II?
>>341931037
Do you literally realize there are other words that are literally not the world literally?
What have been the most recently released JRPGs and WRPGs? Say the last 2-3 years.
I just get this impression the genre has gone way more action based for the detriment of the RPG part
>>341929254
That's exactly how KOTOR plays though
>>341924486
This. Why make it so long when all you're doing is making the players do the same boring ass combat with the same boring ass enemies over and over again to just extend the length of your game.
>>341936232
WRPG: Gothic II or Morrowind
JRPG: Dark Souls
>>341930559
This is actually the bait image that's closest to reality.
>>341929254
FF13, when you get deep enough into it, has the single most enjoyable and detailed battle system in the franchise. Paradigm shifting and managing the stagger meter is way more fun than any other FF game.
>>341938985
no it isnt. its cherry picked to hell and back
>>341931492
>shows the biggest WRPGs games in existence as examples
>cherry picked
>>341939169
You're right, they picked very popular and well liked entries from both jrpgs and wrpgs for that image, and actually picked them apart.
Is this what wrpgfags do when faced with reality, shitpost out of pure asspain?
>>341921137
JRPG:SMT 3
WRPG: New Vegas
>>341939086
I like it because it's so easy to move along in the story. If you know the enemy you can just auto your way through the game and Paradigm shifting is probably the most interactive thing for the combat.
>>341939086
>has the single most enjoyable and detailed battle system in the franchise.
No. Absolutely fucking not. I've owned and played every single one of them, and XIII has absolutely the worst combat system at all points.
Why are JRPGs so good?
>>341939540
Did you ever fight Adamantoise or any of the end-level hunts?
>that orgasmic feeling of paradigm shifting to Tortoise just in time to block an attack that would've slaughtered your party
>>341928449
>DAO
>Bad
dude what?
>>341939629
Yes.
>Start with buff/debuff
>Build gauge
>Punish with high damage
>Switch to block/heal before big attacks
>"Deep"
FFXIIIfags are literally retarded.
>>341939654
DAO is literally babby's first CRPG.
>>341937153
Although the image doesn't mention this, if you try that you instantly get AIDS.
>>341926837
grim dawn is nice, that was this year
>>341939862
Say what you want, but the fact that end-level battles require you to actually manage status ailments, buffs and debuffs, having to switch roles to a dedicated healer instead of "everyone can do everything at all times," and how combining accessories works... All of this together makes it way more interesting than other FFs, which are strictly a numbers game. In 13, even with a 100% maxed Crystarium and the best gear available, there are still fights where you'll get shit on if you don't know what you're doing.
>>341919530
Rolling for scorpionfu
>>341940269
>end-level battles
That's not a good argument. No one except for completionists and the obsessive types will care about that kind of stuff.
>>341930559
Even as a non-weeb, this is pretty true.
Doesn't mean you can't like both for what each does though. Sometimes the brown Tolkien world or post-war countryside is relaxing.
>>341939581
Because pedophiles like you are easy.
>>341940269
>but the fact that end-level battles require you to actually manage status ailments, buffs and debuffs, having to switch roles to a dedicated healer instead of "everyone can do everything at all times
Are you retarded? It literally boils down to exactly what I just said. You pick presets and then just switch between 4 of them at the right time. That's the entire extent of the battle system. No FF game has "Everyone can just do everything at all times" unless you max out whatever skill tree the game has and break the game systems late game, and even that is only VII, VIII, X and XII.
>>341939540
I played them all as well. XIII's combat system is better than any of the NES games', IV's, VIII's, IX's, and XII's.
>>341940471
Unfortunately, my entire point from the very start was that the end-level battles are fun, so this response isn't much of a "gotcha."
>>341919530
:^)
>>341940269
Thats not a fucking argument you fuck, not even thef inal boss requires much strategy in XII, of the three games in that stupid saga XIII is possibly the worst of them all because of how little control you actualyl have over the game, LR at least had you move around and actually care about what attacks you did instead of letting the Auto Battle choose what is the best for the situation
You waifufags are incapable of using your goddamn brain
>>341929350
t. autist with ADD
>>341940952
No it's not. It's literally the worst of all of them. How stupid are you that you think cycling 4 flavors of autobattle is a good battle system?
>>341919530
rell
>>341917484
>its another "I don't know what High Fantasy means episode"
i do agree with the point your pic makes though.
the only western RPGs i can think of that broke the mold setting-wise are Morrowind and Fallout
>>341917165
Nocturne makes up for it's shallow roleplaying elements with a combat system that doesn't suck, something WRPGs have never accomplished.
>>341940694
Did I trigger you anon?
>>341941018
>>341940951
At least you actually get to play the game at all, unlike with XII :^)
>>341940269
Say what you want, but the fact that end-level battles require you to actually manage status ailments, buffs and debuffs, having to switch roles to a dedicated healer
FF5 was doing this years ago. And this is not "deep" stuff, it's bog standard for any rpg with even a modest amount of challenge and is common to virtually all crpgs and many old jrpgs. Seriously keeping buffs refreshed is your idea of depth? FF kiddies really are the bottem of the barrel.
>>341930321
i was waiting for him to wig out or at least open his crest
0/10 bird
FFVII ruined JRPGS.
>>341941060
Not stupid enough to think drawing magic endlessly, or sitting through slow load times and drawn out animations, or spamming standard attack with no other input needed, or having combat entirety play itself are superior.
>>341941421
I was talking about this in the context of FF, anon, not JRPGs as a whole. And FFV didn't have you switching mid-battle, and it certainly didn't have 13's revolutionary concept of "debuffs are actually necessary to win" that the rest of the franchise completely misses out on.
>>341936073
>hunt down wanted fugitives like
>monkeys with flamethrowers
>a robot bandito who wields a guitar as a weapon and makes you 1v1 him faget
>a batshit bodybuilder who kidnaps people and experiments on them in an abandoned hospital to make himself stronger
>a giant octopus with brass instruments attached to its body
>a possessed WWII tank
I wish the rest of the games were translated.
>>341941160
Isn't the combat just the same old Wizardry formula that the westerns invented with the some bonus turns added if you hit with the right element?
Seriously Nocturne doesn't even try to hide the fact that it's derivative those old western dungeon crawlers.
>>341941480
More like FFVI did.
>>341921137
Golden Sun 2
Baldurs Gate 2
>>341941160
>implying
>>341941254
That is the exact opposite though you fucking jackass
>>341921137
Final Fantasy V
Divinity: Original Sin
Fuck your stories, give me gameplay.
>>341941601
No.
>>341941254
At least in 12 you could actually control your whole party instead of just letting Auto Battle do everything for you as default like in 13 or did you forget that you start with barely any gambit in 12 and can control your whole party while in 13 you can only really control the leader?
>>341941503
>I played VIII for 30 minutes and I think I know all the battle systems
Pick up IV then try using only physical attacks and potions. Let me know how long you last in literally any dungeon.
>>341941782
>"WAHHH 13 HAS AUTOBATTLE"
>meanwhile 12 has literally got you programming the game to play itself so you don't have to
>"b-b-but it's okay when it's in the game that I like!"
>>341942060
There are plenty of games where you only control one character out of a larger group, does that make them inherently bad?
>>341942154
>There are plenty of games where you only control one character out of a larger group, does that make them inherently bad?
In a fucking FF game? Absolutely or are you going backpedal from this and say we aren't talking about FF? And what the other poster said is true though, it takes at least effort to program your party to act the way you want and even then it doesn't work for every battle, in 13 you just need to libra the enemy and it will resolve itself on its own accord with zero imput from the player
>>341939581
Why are the enemies in this game so strong? The amount of grinding in the first dungeon is not even fun.
>>341941532
>it certainly didn't have 13's revolutionary concept of "debuffs are actually necessary to win"
This has been a thing in literally any rpg that had decent buffs and hard enough hitting bonuses. To give you an idea of how generic this it's part of games like wow. This has been a thing since the fucking 80s and you think a ff13 invented the idea of debuffing?
>And FFV didn't have you switching mid-battle
It had you switching jobs out of battle, which is a really really old mechanic that goes back to the idea of heading to the adventure's guild and swapping out party members based and than returning to the dungeon. FF3 took this concept and made it so you just needed to go to a menu to change class, the feature is also in ff5.
And if you really want to get into changing your character's attributes/skills in combat has been a thing with DnD Druids and Wizards who could shapeshift. The idea of a having every party member being able to shape-shift is a new, I'll give credit for that, but like all jrpg ideas it's brought down by the fact that games are piss easy.
All you are really doing is showing that FF fanboys are idiots that attribute 20-30+year old mechanics to their favorite franchises latest waifu simulator. FF and virtually all JRPGs ever made are wizardry clones: almost all the of the mechanics in them already existed in computer rpgs. The japs just tweaked the mecahnics and added anime aesthetics.
>>341942501
I'm talking about FF13's gameplay in the context of FF, not FF in the context of all JRPGs. You guys act like 13 fans are retarded but you sure do look dumber and dumber every time you respond.
>>341925640
No Witcher equivalent, no good vs evil, numerous monsters outside of tolken (baghest, bruxae, archspores, endrega, drowners, etc) only things common to tolken are elves dwarfs dragons wargs, the idea of humanity as the newcomers to the land that take over and the concept of a powerful blood lineage which in the witcher differs in that the blood acts as a key to link dimensions, political intrigue filled plots, class separation between sentient species, multiple worlds; the witcher has far more content that was not featured in tolken than content that was, it draws from polish myth in places and is much more similar to a more mystical game of thrones than a lord of the rings.
>>341942501
>virtually all JRPGs ever made are wizardry clones
You're fucking retarded holy shit
