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What's your favorite ARPG?
I'm really liking Grim Dawn
Played an absurd amount of PoE these last weeks because of the new league and finally reached endgame with a HC character. Shit's insanely complex now and I'm loving it.
>>341875504
what is an ARPG and what is the differences from RPG
>>341875951
Action RPG. The focus is on action.
>>341875504
same as you OP. I need an ARPG with controller support cause my right hand is fucked so pad is easier than mouse and i've put about 30 hours into Grim Dawn since last friday.
Anyone know any other controller supported ARPGs? already played victor vran
I played Diablo 3 for the past week and my brain is fried.
i thought for a moment, that this is mine thread xD
>>341873402
also, D2: LoD
>>341875951
A stands for action, which doesn't really mean anything in itself, but most ARPGs are isometric clicking simulators with RPG elements, like Diablo, PoE, Torchlight, Titan Quest and Grim Dawn
>>341875951
It should be called an Action Build Inventory game, it's not actually an RPG since you don't roleplay.
>>341875951
>RPG
focus on choice, skill checks, dialogue and tactical combat
>ARPG
focus on fast-paced combat with a variety of character builds
>>341876161
hidden path update? what's that? what did they add?
>>341876225
also what >>341876206 said
I would't call games like Grim Dawn ARPGs. Something like Dragon's Dogma or Kingdoms of Amalur is an ARPG, Grim Dawn and others are honestly just Diablo-likes
>>341875504
GrimDawn as well. Easily the best ARPG on the market. Too bad the game now suddenly crashes upon startup.I've been playing Diablo 3 the past few nights high and it's actually kind of fun.
I've been playing Path of Exile for 3 years now but I personally prefer Titan Quest Immortal Throne the most
>godly aesthetics
>interesting yet simple classes
>great ost
>introduced the great mechanic of enemies flying farther the harder you kill them
I played a ton of Path of Exile. I was thinking about getting back into it again due to the recent update in content.
Thing is with ARPG's, they all suffer from pretty much the same issue. End game is just loot whoring to make your character better to no real end. Diablo II had great PvP that was insanely easy to jump into, but you don't get that in other ARPGs I've found, the PvP community is always too small and it always involves some instanced bullshit you have to que up for. Diablo II really did it right, join a game, fight anywhere you want in the world outside of town.
Path of Exile truly suffers from a lack of end game content. The maps you end up doing become the same ol shit and making a new character is only a good alternative the first few times before you realize you're doing the exact same thing but with different skills. I love ARPGs to death, but I think there's a point where you just grow out of 'em.
>>341876662
>godly aesthetics
![201508_vhfc_featurediqvuyn[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/x5oqX8v.jpg "201508_vhfc_featurediqvuyn[1].jpg")
How are the Vanh Helsing games? Steam is really pushing them onto me
>>341876918
Very mediocre.
>>341876720
You should give Prophecy a try, the changes to the ascendancies are really interesting
>juggernaut suddenly fucking awesome
>2 golems with elementalist
>>341876918
They are big on narrative and the helsing/ghost dynamic
I thought they were fun for a playthrough, the 3rd one isnt as good
>>341876662
>Titan Quest Immortal Throne
I really tried giving it another chance before playing GD, but by the time I reach Egypt I was already forcing myself to keep coming back and when they dumped me into that Garden Area next I was already burnt and uninstalled it.
It's just so terribly paced and the items are boring
Does grim dawn have multiplayer? How is it?
I'm looking for a new comfy game to play, kinda interested but i would like it to have decent multiplayer.
>>341875850
>1 click speedclear meta with CWDT supports
>complex
>>341875504
Is this game better than Diablo 3? I had fun with it too.
Diablo 2 > Diablo > Titan Quest > Diablo 3 with Expansion > Path of Exile >Grim Dawn > Diablo 3 > Torchlight > Torchlight 2
>>341876662
>PoE
>godly aesthetics
The fuck? You either look like a hobo or buy microtransactions and look like an edgelord.
I mean the game's great but come on.
>>341875504
I would like Grim Dawn if the latest patch didn't fuck the game over so it crashes every few minutes and makes a hard reset necessary.
Shit coding to be honest, and crate entertainment seems happy to ignore people asking for a fix on their forums.
>>341877098
I don't play memebuilds.
>>341877067
yeah, but it's a singleplayer game first and foremost.Multiplayer is basically just co-op of the singleplayer campaign with harder mobs and better loot, but it's fun.
>>341877142
I haven't played D3, but I'm having a lot of fun with GD
>>341877050
>the items are boring
I guess it does take a while to get going
Try playing it with the xmax mod and mod out the cooldowns to skills, that way it's basically 2x as fast with adequate challenge as there are 3 bosses at all times
>>341877221
>reading comprehension
PoE has shit tier graphics on an objective standpoint
>no cloth physics
>tons of clipping
At least with muh gloom wings I look edgy as fuck
>>341877221
He's talking about Titan Quest, check your reading comprehension
>>341877221
>reading comprehension
>>341876720
>played a ton of PoE
>never got to endgame
Feels bad man with how many hundreds of hours I played across a variety of characters.
>>341877240
>tfw can't even boot the game since the hotfix
;_;
>>341877403
>>341877445
>>341877456
Oh.
>>341877403
>I guess it does take a while to get going
negro I've put 20 hours into it and I still couldn't do anything else but click every single mob to death individually with my spear. no aoe clear, no flashy skills except for a charge, no items that do anything else but give you more dmg.
it was just boring.
>>341877185
>TQ > GD
no
>>341877468
The end game is great the first few times you get there in PoE. I would highly recommend at least getting there once to see for yourself. It's just when you get to the point where you've had several level 90+ characters, it gets to be nothing too grand.
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>>341876104
>mfw 400,000% homing ice turretx5 build
>>341876206
You don't roleplay in any RPGs except maybe custom modules for NWN and the like.
>>341877614
>playing hunt mastery if you've got no clue what the fuck you're doing
Of course the only 100% single target mastery is going to be boring until you have adequate equipment
>>341877709
>I would highly recommend at least getting there once to see for yourself
I tried. I don't know what the issue was. I do know that good items never fucking dropped for me so I always got stuck at a certain point.
>>341877874
People are finally starting to get it, videogames have been living a lie for 30 years because the ancient games that ripped off D&D and called them "RPG"s.
How's Victor Vran? I'm not a huge fan of APRG's but it looks slightly more interesting than others in the genre.
>>341877892
I found a blue bow 3 hours into the Greece map and it was the best weapon I found until I quit in Babylon. the loot system is absolute shit.
>>341877614
TQ has more content, more variation in setting and enemies, and more well-rounded classes. Grim Dawn has better atmosphere and graphics, but I prefer TQ.
>>341877185
>D3 with expansion
>not a casual meme game with no customization and complexity
Orther than that I'm ok with that list but Imho TQ=PoE, TQ is too much clunky for my likings.
>>341878036
It's super fucking fun, it's the hidden gem of 2015.
I absolutely recommend.
Bonus: It's set in Bulgaria aesthetics.
>>341878036
It has a Gangnam Style skeleton dance. :-)
>>341877874
Not true.
>>341878110
>GD
>better atmosphere
Act 5 in TQ has more atmosphere than all of GD together
Also I find GD graphics a bit too stiff for what they are, TQ feels much more alive
>>341876918
Shit desu, bought final cut and regret it. Maybe narrative and interaction with ZOMBIE GOAST is interesting, but that won't help with gameplay this dull.
>>341878252
>Act 5 in TQ has more atmosphere than all of GD together
>implying
>>341878049
Dog you quit 5 hours into a game because you didnt get an upgrade to your weapon every other minute?
Please, either you suck ass at video games or you just have zero patience
>>341878252
>TQ feels much more alive
really? TQ is so sterile, there's npcs yeah, but they never feel like anything else but constructs made of code. GD at least has a bunch of noteworthy people and a slightly interesting story behind it
>>341878364
I really like all the flavor notes and little details around.
Been playing Grim Dawn for the past 2 weeks. Love it to death. My GOTY currently.
>>341878402
>Dog you quit 5 hours into a game because you didnt get an upgrade to your weapon every other minute?
?
I played 20 hours and was disappointed that all the loot I fought for was still worse than a drop from 17 hours ago. you either can't read or are strawmanning hard
>>341878364
>he doesn't like the hades section
>he doesnt enjoy walking in a town full of ghosts on the edge of hell
>>341878472
Well maybe I phrased that wrong, I meant the general movement of the character feels really stiff compared to TQ, an issue which got a lot better due to many updates but it's still present in my mind
Really want to buy Grim Dawn now after watching videos of it. Gonna try to wait until summer sale though. I'm sure it gets cut there.
>>341878585
What kind of build you running?
>>341878753
it's on sale on GOG right now
>>341878794
My first test run was a pure Shaman. Currently going a phys build Demo/Soldier.
>>341878592
Maybe you should've checked the fucking stores then, and +ele bow will do more damage than your low tier epic item
>>341878738
>implying implications
Act 5 and the whole TQ was great but imo GD hasbetter atmosphere all around, mainly because of all the little details and care put into presenting the whole post apocalypse situation well.
>>341878931
Oh that's fun. I thought about making a melee fire build but I already have a ranged fire Ammunition Magician.
Can anyone gift me Grim Dawn?
>>341879043
I suppose it comes down to preference, the only reason I even played GD was because it was a spiritual sequel to TQ
I can't be fucked to play another game with zombies and post apocalypse normally
>>341878921
It'll probably be cheaper during the Steam sale next week. It's been 50% on Steam and it's only 25% off on GOG
Favourite levelling experience: Van Helsing andThe Division
Favourite endgame: Diablo 3
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mfw blowing blowing up zombies left and right
Demolitionist/Occultist is awesome
>It's an ARPG thread
>No-one has mentioned Kingdom Hearts yet
You disappoint me, /v/.Real talk though, I've been wanting to replay the series but no longer have a PS2, is my best course of action to buy the Final Mix games or wait for the inevitable PS4 re-releases?
>>341879331
>mfw Occultist/Sharman
>just summon max level Briarthorn, Hellhound & Raven
>beat the whole game on veteran without autoattacking or using spells
B E A S T M O D E
THIS WORLD
IS SACREDI'm the only person in the world who liked this. It's superboring, though at the start, and almost too big for its own good.
Be sure to mod the shit out of it with community patches etc for wresting some fun out of it.
Diablo 1 was the best. No game in the genre has managed to recapture the magic, even though they've made many advancements and innovations I've always felt they've went off into wrong directions.
>>341879354
>everyone talking about Diablo, Grim Dawn, Path of Exile and Titan Quest
>anon brings up KH
Anyone interesting in coming back to PoE should probably sit out Prophecy league. It's close to being standard with purple text.
>>341879354
>Kingdom Hearts
![Sacred_2_Fallen_Angel[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/udHgrFU.jpg "Sacred_2_Fallen_Angel[1].jpg")
How's the Sacred series?
>>341879228
>I can't be fucked to play another game with zombies and post apocalypse normally
GD isn't the the generic "Zombie Apocalypse" though, it has more thought put into it and you don't really fight a lot of generic zombies after Act 1.
>>341879593
1 is very good, it's basically an open world ARPG done right.
2nd is basically the more modern version of 1st but in my opinion it doesn't have the charm that 1st had. Might be nostalgia though, it's still a good game.
3rd doesn't exist.
>>341879593
1 gud for the time
2 good but weird controls
Citadel: fun brawler
3: appalling trash
>>341879520
It was dungeon crawling in its purest form. A slow but enjoyable slog deeper into the depths until you reach hell.
It really was just right in many ways.
>>341879530
>>341879549
Oh, I'm sorry, I thought an Action Role-Playing Game thread was for Action Role-Playing Games. My mistake.
>>341879593
Sacred 2's nice
It's an arpg where you play most of it in a nice sunny world instead of some grimdark dungeon
3 is atrocious, it's like dungeon siege 3 but a billion times worse
>>341879459
>he thinks he's the only one who likes sacred
Sacred Underworld is by far my favorite aRPG next to Dungeon Siege 2
Too bad Sacred 2 has a fucked up camera system or it would've been much more enjoyable
>>341879546
>revamped ascendancies
>you can literally get a 6link prophecy
>cool ass new uniques thanks to prophecy upgrades
>free mtx
>fucking 36 strongboxes prophecy to get that +1curse amulet
I think it's the best time to start again, especially if you want to try solo selffound
>>341879872
weebtrash needs not apply
>>341879326
>Favourite endgame: Diablo 3
Why?
Playing Grim Dawn right now and i feel like i'm playing it wrong.
i'm simple, so i just picked the soldier class and later added the demolitionist because i thought it would synergize well with me using ranged weapons mostly. instead demolitionist just has tons of active skills. i just want some good passives, damnit.
my combat style is now just shoot, then run away and shoot again. it doesn't feel particularly rewarding or fun.
>>341879960
>Sacred Underworld is by far my favorite aRPG
That makes two of us.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cS6vuI66OB8
>>341879872
Kingdom hearts is not a loot-based action rpg so it has no place here
>>341880096
never pick soldier, come on. did you also play a Human Warrior in Wow?
>>341879872
ARPG is not an umbrella term for any RPG with action gameplay. Otherwise you might as well post about Mass Effect and Devil May Cry.
>tfw playing dwarf in Sacred zoomed out to the max and shooting shit with the cannon before it can even spot you
GG everything outside
>>341880096
Unfortunately, ranged builds aren't nearly as strong or smooth as melee builds. That said, some are decent but they're rare, depending.
>>341880038
Because there's still loads of stuff to do progress to be made and fairly regular gear upgrades
It's also got good impact to skills and stuff so it doesn't become boring it you're just doing a rightclick build.
>>341880096
I don't understand what's the issue.
>i just want some good passives
>my combat style is now just shoot, then run away and shoot again
Why exactly are you surprised that you don't use any active skills if you wanted to have passives?
Anyways grab Canister Bomb from Demo tree and put 3 points into its transmuter, it's great for area control/clearing trash and stunning non-trash/fun explosions.
>>341880097
>tfw playing the story and get to the part where wilbur dies thanks to the betrayal
>cry everytime
Managing to kill your first dragon on that small seperate island near the big city where the count lives is incredibly satisfying
>>341880318
>not rolling a battlemage and spamming lvl 500 fire ball combos
>>341879961
>valuing a games' trappings over its' gameplay
storyfags need not apply
>>341880119
>What's your favorite ARPG?
>favorite ARPG
>ARPG
I don't see an "L" for "loot" in that acronym.
>>341880472
just leave the thread and so make your own. neither you nor your game are wanted here, unless you want to talk about Hack&Slash games.
>>341880318
Are you me?
>even if anything manages to get close it gets melted instantly because your cannon also happens to be a fucking flamethrower
Path of Exile cause free and easy.
>Earthquake + 3 Warchief Totems
>Voidheart ring
>ALL THIS DAMAGE
>>341880472
aRPG is just the overarching term for the genre
We could as well call it loot-based hack and slay stash space simulator but that is sort of clumsy, wouldnt you agree
>>341880635
>3 warchief totems
Hierophant then?
EQ is fucking boring
>playing D3
>changed your build so you jumped up a few Torment levels
>tfw none of your set gear drops
>>341880635
GGG nerfed the newly buff Shield Charge like 4 days into the league but won't touch eq or buff other melee skills to not be total shit, good balance.
>>341880651
LBHS
Loot
Based
Hack
(and)
Slash
Actually that acronym flows off the tongue rather well.
>>341880749
Yep.
And I never played much EQ when it came out, getting into it now, it's quite enjoyable.
Especially with that broken as fuck ring.
>Basically a FREE 60% More damage if they don't move
>More like 140% if they are
Grim Dawn is the only early access game i've bought because of the devs, right when it first went up.
No regrets.
>>341880830
I agree this is a problem. I've watched it for a while.
>EQ does outright more single-target damage than any single-target skill
>Bigger damage numbers and AoE than any other AoE melee skill
>Warchief has higher damage numbers than Protector, almost DOUBLE the range, and a massive AoE slam
And yet, Shield Charge gets the Nerf.
>>341880830
>shield charge
>nerfed
it's just 20% aoe, have you actually seen how miniscule that is?
>>341880892
Do you really think so
>>341880945
>60% more damage
I mean bleeding and poison is sicc af but you know
>>341881165
>last bit
I get you. It's not actually 60% More. But still, FREE Bleed and Poison at the cost of a ring slot and killing Bameth with an awful ring equipped.
>>341881165
>Shield Charge now has 20% less area of effect and the maximum distance has been increased from 50 to 60.
The AoE wasn't the real nerf.
literally better than d2 if you can be an adult and toss the nostalgia goggles but thats doubtful
plus it can only get better. PoE has petered out and now its a currency simulator
>>341881320
Maybe I'll also roll a EQ hierophant, isn't mathil doing something similar?
>>341881363
>maximum distance has been increased
>increased
?
>>341881165
>Shield Charge Nerf
You also have to move quite a bit farther to get the full damage now. It's infinitely worse v. bosses now.
>>341880457
>tfw getting out of your way and getting rekt by overleveled enemies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFHihX89_OQ&index=28
>>341881473
I'd suggest either Hierophant if you want EZ Totems, or Tri-Totem Facebreaker Juggernaut using that new Quiver and the Keystone.
Putting Diablo aside, I'd say Sacred and Titan Quest.
>>341876918
Little late but the final cut is a staggering piece of shit. The original 3 were ok, with 1>2>3, but with the final cut they attempted to follow D3 with the level scaling mechanic but poorly done. Very poorly. It literally broke the fucking game to the point of being unplayable.
I'm scared as they're the devs doing the 40k ARPG, so I'm already assuming it'll be a piece of shit.
>>341880318
>>341880457
>>341881521
Fucking reinstalling
>>341881473
The increased distance in this instance means the distance you have to travel to achieve full damage.
>>341876206
I prefer looting sim myself
>>341881613
>facebreaker totems
why juggernaut though?
>>341882160
Unstoppable makes you immune to so much shit it's honestly broken. You cannot be chilled, frozen, immobilized(bear trap and the like), tarred or temp chained.
>>341882160
What the other Anon said. Juggernaut has some of the most ridiculous defensive nodes.
>>341881817
Dont Anon, its shit.
>>341882160
>Juggernaut Unrelenting
>Three Endurance Charges from Tree
>Merciless Oak
>Kaom's Way and a +1 Endurance Charges Implicit belt
>TEN Endurance Charges
>40% Phys mitigation before Armor
>An additional 6% Life Regenerated per second
Have fun.
>>341883741
Oh right, and gaining up to TEN Endurance Charges every time you are hit or use Enduring Cry.
>>341883274
I beg to differ.
>>341881797
>40k arpg
You mean Inquisitor Martyr? How would loot even make sense there though.
Like what, you kill an Eldar - what are you even meant to get that you can use? They have nothing the Inquisitor would know how to work with or find useful. Same with a 'Nid, even if it's a X-generation Genestealer who is basically an unaware human I doubt a regular guardsman/whatever could ever have equipment befitting an Inquisitor.
Chaos, though... I know some Inquistors DO use chaos-weapons but that's only frowned-upon radicals who usually turn to chaos. That'd make sense I suppose.
>>341884371
It's a strange premise, for sure. All I've seen is the pre-alpha video with Enraged Pablo from last year/earlier this year where they discussed some of that stuff, and that cover is going to be a mechanic. Yes. Cover. Great.
They went over loot some, but I can't remember what they came up with.
Can we talk about how the skill descriptions in Grim Dawn are the absolute worst in any video game ever? No matter how often you read them, you'll only know what the skill does if you learn and use it.
>>341885349
That's why you read the Game Guide first.
http://www.grimdawn.com/game.php
>>341885349
i still dont know what the fuck constitiution or vitality decay really is and I've beat the game on ultimate as a blademaster
>>341885548
Constitution is your per-level health regen.
>>341879459
I bought literally probably 10 copies of it for friends over the years
It's the most fun world I've ever played in a ARPG.
Diablo 3 plays the smoothest, but Sacred 2 was just simply a magical adventure. I used to wake up and drink coffee and hang out on the northern islands and just farm sunday mornings away. Sacred 2 was a fantastic ARPG, outside of the dogshit melee.
>>341885498
>only lists 4 skills per class
>descriptions are exactly the same as ingame
>>341885548
>constitiution
It's a limited out of combat health regen. Your health will rapidly replenish to full if you are outside of combat and drain your constitiution in the process.
>vitality decay
It's the DoT version of vitality damage, just like fire/burn, cold/frostburn, acid/poison etc.
>>341885989
Not the sharpest tool in the shed are you?
Read the whole thing, especially the "combat" section. If you don't understand the descriptions that means you just don't understand the mechanics.
>>341886464
It's not that I don't understand skills because I don't understand the mechanics, you dimwit, it's because THE SKILL DESCRIPTIONS CONSIST ALMOST ENTIRELY OF USELESS FLAVOR TEXT
>"You allow your body to act as a mortal vessel for the witch god Solael. The great one temporarily inhabits your flesh, bestowing upon you formidable physical prowess."
>"The first rite undertaken by novice Shamans is to imbue their favored weapon with the raw force of a thunderstorm. Those that survive this critical step become scions to Mogdrogen's will and guardians of their people. This attack requires a Two-Handed Melee weapon."
>>341887015
>"You allow your body to act as a mortal vessel for the witch god Solael. The great one temporarily inhabits your flesh, bestowing upon you formidable physical prowess."
Possesion is a skill with nothing but passive bonuses and active energy cost. The decription says it's supposed to improve your physcial prowness. it's crystal clear how it works.
>"The first rite undertaken by novice Shamans is to imbue their favored weapon with the raw force of a thunderstorm. Those that survive this critical step become scions to Mogdrogen's will and guardians of their people. This attack requires a Two-Handed Melee weapon."
Primal strike has a skill cooldown, long stun, huge damage bonuses and the decription says that i imbues your weapon. Again, crystal clear.
Not to mention the trasmuter reduces all of its effects in exchange for no cooldown, making it even more clear.
>>341887789
Congratulations on being super smart about this, but there is still no way to actually understand how exactly these skills behave without skilling and using them first if you're playing GD for the first time.
Mixing flavor text and skill descriptions is just bad practice, nobody does that aside from GD and TQ.
>>341888092
>but there is still no way to actually understand how exactly these skills behave without skilling and using them first if you're playing GD for the first time
But there is if you understand the mechanics and know what all those listed bonuses actually do. I was never confused about any of the skills.
>>341878036
is good, but is more action than rpg.
you actially has to jump and dodge attacks, and there are a fuck ton of secrets areas, walljumping etc.
give it a chance
>>341888345
Doesn't change the fact that the skill descriptions are hot garbage.
>>341888345
Stop responding to it.
is Grim Dawn good like Pillars of Eternity or shit like Diablo?
>>341876104
>my brain is fried
That describes this game exactly.
>>341888926
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgHNtzxO0y8
I loved TitanQuest, and I loved Grim Dawn.
But honestly, no matter how deep my respect for those games is, I can't rightfully give the title of "favorite" to anything other than PoE.
I don't even play it anymore, but I did for a ton of time, and it did a great job of keeping me engaged and giving different things to play for. First it was dumb fun, then it was collecting cool gear for fun builds, then it was making a ton of currency on trading and wasting it all trying to craft perfect items.
Sure, I hated the devs a lot when they nerfed things, changed values, made my work and playtime worthless. But I still had fun for months, so yeah.
rip
