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>tfw butthurt McCree shitters and Widow mains
Feels good man
>>341859263
So good
>no dva buff
Didn't they promise this as well
>>341859358
Yep I think they did. I think they are planning on making her more mobile while firing
>>341859263
But they're both still good
>>341859396
Nah mac reee is bretty bad now senpai.
>>341859396
Yes, good. It's okay they are >good<. Because before the nerf they were blatantly OP as fuck
>>341859467
>If I keep saying it maybe people won't destroy my butthole with him.
Nice try cutie.
>>341859263
The only thing that changed for McCree is that you need to actually think before you approach other people
You can still proceed to kill everyone else like before.
>>341859528
>\you need to think
False.
I can still dispose of pretty much anyone that isn't a tank in one go as Mccree
>>341859528
He can't melt tanks anymore like he used to. He's good at what he's supposed to be good at now. Stopping Tracers, Genjis and Lucios
>>341859528
*Tanks not people
>>341859467
>mcree is not op now
Fixd.
>>341859263
They still need to reduce the AoE of the flashbang.
>>341859578
He needs double fans now to completely wreck tanks.
>>341859592
>>341859578
>He can't one shot tanks so he shouldn't try.
He still out dps them by a mile.
>>341859467
not at all, his left click is still the same. So if you know how to aim he's fine
>>341859687
He can only wreck Zarya even with double Fan. Remember that Roadhog will just eat the damage with 600 hp, and that all the other tanks has armor which negates a lot of the damage
>>341859467
Nooe he's good now.
>>341859892
Hammer fanning into Zarya's shield makes her laser so strong.
I find it hilarious that his hammer fan can fail to kill even Tracer now if he misses shots. It deters a lot of the retards from playing him now.
>>341859263
kek I just noticed that the JUST hair is used to make the beard
>>341859687
It's a team game
He is DPS
He can do good DPS
>widow mains
>butthurt
you do realize nothing of value was changed for widow right?
she still solo's entire enemy teams
>>341859263
JUST- UGH
>>341859467
Both of them require headshots to be good now, so shitters are btfo while it encourages people to actually learn how to play.
>>341860103
Not at all my experience since the nerf, way less people pick her too
>>341859263
The patch only made shitters butthurt. It didn't affect good Widowmakers at all.
>>341860103
>>341860226
At least they fixed that autistic *scope-unscope-scope-unscope* BS that gave her ridiculous fire rate
i like the nerfs. i felt like an asshole playing mcree before.
Does he take skill now
>>341859467
McCree can still stun fan every attack character besides Reaper, every support, and every defense besides Bastion he just isn't also doing 400 damage to tanks anymore.
>>341859263
As a frequent Zenyatta player this is the best damn thing that has happened
as a mcree player, the debuff hasn't messed with me too bad. I just can't really delete tanks anymore.
>>341859263
GJ blizzard you made two of the most fun heroes shit.
>>341860606
The amount of peace and tranquility I feel when I get a shutdown POTG with Zen is just pure bliss.
>>341860537
How much damage fan does now?
>>341860612
which is what made mcree feel the scummiest.
>>341860702
>BUTTHURT
>>341860763
6*45
>>341860763
22.5-45 * 6 bulltets = 135-270
>>341860851
Why it can't kill reaper then?
>>341860785
I don't disagree, they definatly balanced him. I'm just saying the overall play style and combo of mcree hasn't changed. except when dealing with tanks.
>>341860758
>tfw he's my favorite hero
>never got PoTG
>>341860925
It still can, the guy you were talking to earlier probably assumed you wouldn't be kissing a Reaper.
IT'S HIGH-
>>341860986
Am sorry to hear that, if it means anything, it's taken so many games as him to get a single POTG, I just had given up hope.
So thats it, LOSE ALL HOPE AND THE GODS WILL PROVIDE.
>>341859358
It's definitely happening but I don't think they had figured it out yet, all they know is that they don't want to increase her damage
>round in hanamura
>mei keeps griefing us in attack
>"dude, stop, what the fuckis your problem?"
>"they nerfed my widowmaker main, i used to quickscope and play aggressively, now since blizzard hates fun, i'm having fun the only way i know, by griefing my team, and there's nothing you can do about it :)"
>literally everyone laughs at him
>after the round ends he ragequits
>mfw
>>341861159
Fuck that achievement where you have to get 4 kills with a dead-eye. HOW BLIZZARD
>>341861160
Always cool to find nice people here, I'll keep that in mind for when I finally reach it. At least I got gold in eliminations / objective kills / damage several times because sometimes I play decently and I think I'm progressing.
Now if they'll just bring Reapers health down to a sensible 200, I'll be truly happy.
>>341861257
>he still didnt get it
scrub
protip: flank, hide, spam q and freeze them all
>>341861257
I never looked at the achievements, only those I got. When I see the requirements, I always think "wow, did I really do THAT ? rad"
>>341860986
>got a few for him
>it's always really boring and doesn't show cool stuff like headshoting Pharas
>>341861324
>Now if they'll just bring Reapers health down to a sensible 200, I'll be truly happy.
>>341861376
Call me again when you're over level 20 and people aren't absolute retards
Anyone else experiencing massive FPS drops after the last patch?
I went from 90-110 FPS steady to 60 and dropping down to as low as 10 for a few second at a time. Boggles the mind.
>>341861324
This. He already can make himself invincible and get health that way from somewhere if you are unlucky, because he is simply faster then.
>>341859263
>See the same person has been a widow for the past 2 games
>Doing absolutely nothing to help their team
>Decide to go Winston and fuck with them
>They lose without pushing to cart to even the first point
>The widowmaker starts shouting about people using characters that don't have to aim and take no skill
Anyone who mains widowmaker is a complete shitter and needs to consider suicide.
>>341861509
Not for me but I have definitely heard a lot of people reporting this issue in matches I have played
>>341861486
i'm level 220
and i tell you, you don't know how to play mccree if you never got a quadruple kill with deadeye
>>341861596
>you don't know how to play mccree
That's basically a compliment
>>341861596
>level 220
damn son
>>341861509
even lowered the settings all the way down to Low for shits and giggles. Same exact issue even then.
>>341861706
i know, he was extremely easy to play before the patch, now he's just "good"
>>341861770
i have no life
>>341861596
>push q
>kill 4
So hard. All you need is timing and/or stupid enemies.
>>341861324
Lets not, hes fine at the moment.
Mei having 250 health doesn't make sense.
>>341861879
as one anon said earlier in a similar thread, this game in high mmr is all about which team coordinates their ults in the best optimal way, and nothing else
the skill ceiling of this game is your team
>>341861852
That's 219 crates from levels, how many legendaries do you have (excluding cases you bought if you did)?
>>341862102
i bought 100 crates
i'd say i have almost 1/4 of them
>>341861324
Reaper is perfectly balanced. His skills are all very slow and require good planning to use.
>>341862175
>i bought 100 crates
>>341860606
>tfw get a POTG, 90% of match on fire, and 11 votes on zen
feels good familia
>>341862054
>>341862198
>He's fine at the moment
t.Reaper main
There is no reason for Reaper to have that much health, it doesn't make any sense
blizzard should modify potg so that you can't get it from using your ult
Will you just find skins without paying or are they exclusively a pay to use thing? Like can I find them for free like TF2's hats but they are incredibley rare?
>>341862485
This so much
>>341862513
You get skins by unboxing loot crates. You get 1 loot crate for every time you rank up, OR you can buy lootboxes for real money if you choose to
>>341860925
0,7s stun, fan takes a second
If reaper is at full hp he can hold down shift and escape
>>341860986
Shit anon I play a lot of Zarya, like every potg has been set up by me
>>341859578
Genji is a McCree counter now. You get a lot more time to react now as genji.
>>341862392
This, honestly. There are way too many times where I'm constantly hitting a Reaper, but I'm just short of killing him when I have to reload and he ghost modes to the nearest health pack.
He's not necessarily OP, but the game is very forgiving to Reapers who get caught in a bad fight.
>>341859263
Feel like the mcree nerf missed the mark, you can still double fan most tanks to death or near death but at the same time it's now more RNG based if you kill who you are supposed to counter which is tracer and genji. Should have made it where the first 3 bullets do full damage,then it tapers off . That way his main targets get countered but his non counters don't get blown up as well.
>>341862717
It's why the nerf failed, both tracer and genji are a fuckload stronger this patch
>>341861247
>main
why would you main in a game about switching chars to counter
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No one can hide from my sight
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>We have reduced how quickly Widowmaker generates her ultimate
t-thanks
>>341859263
They actually made widowmaker better. Her body shot damage is reduced and her head shot damage is boosted. It's a lot more fun to play with an incentive to get head shots.
>>341863695
Headshot dmg was kept the same at 300
>>341863695
HS damage is the same famalan
>>341863503
This so much. Hanzo gets his ult every 30 secs when hes on fire. He gets on fire after his first ult
>>341861257
At least you aren't trying to get the D.VA 4 man kill. Her ult is the only one with the big ass caution sign.
>>341862392
>>341862907
>why does the hero who needs to be within 5ft of anyone to do any damage have a slightly beefier health pool?!
>>341863769
>>341863939
>>341861324
I'd say Reaper gets that extra 50 because unlike 76 and some of the other attackers, he needs to be right up in someone's face to do anything more than dva tier damage.
>>341859263
Widowmaker wasnt even nerfed. Bodyshots are for shitters. Headshot is same dmg. Youll still get the widowmaker on your team that cant hit the ocean from the harbour. McCree still shits on everyone close range. Just because a tank can survive with a sliver of health left doesnt mean that tank can kill McCree. He'll just finish the tank off a couple seconds later and maybe get hit once. His ult still clears the objective for 10 full seconds or kills everyone out in the open. And it still resets to 50% meter if he lets the time run out/no one shows up. He still has huge range and can basically snipe long range.
They are both the best still - widow just requires someone that can aim a little better now, so youll have even shittier widows on your team every time. McCree is bsaically unchanged since kills everyone worthwhile still in one burst.
>>341864017
Yea wtf is up with that.
>>341864182
Yes retard, it says right there that base damage has been reduced to 12. That's a 120 bodyshot x 2.5 on if headshot which is = 300
>>341864182
Headshot is still 300 dmg. THe multiplier change makes it the nerf only affect body shots. Theres like 5 people that take 1 more body shot to kill (zenyatta most noteable one). Its an insignificant nerf in every conceivable way.
>>341864182
Math anon
>>341859263
Most good ones are actually happy with the nerf since there won't be shitters playing McCree and Widow
Like this guy who relies exclusively on fan the hammer >>341859467
>>341864017
>>341864294
you need a Mei to support you
Best to do it after a team kill and have mei block off a choke point
>>341864349
I apparently can't math.
I apologize for my autism and I prostrate myself before you.
>>341864017
>>341864294
Tracers bomb has it too. If you use it properly and drop it on their heads it doesn't show up until its within its lower damage range and by then it's already falling onto them. As long as they don't have a good mei or a Reinhardt you'll get it eventually.
That or team up with a decent Zarya
>>341859358
Yes, but they explicitly said it would be after the nerfs. They said they weren't too sure how they wanted to buff her, perhaps damage or survivability, but not both.
>>341859263
I never had a problem wrecking widow's shit. It's like the same whiners who complained about bastion, they were just too stupid to counter widow.
I consistently wrecked widow with pharah all the time. A few nights ago we were on Kings Attack, and I watched as my team charged in one by one into the enemy widows line of sight and die.
I even had to point it out to them how retarded they were but nope, still lost.
>>341862175
>i bought 100 crates
how does it feel to be cancer
>>341864685
You are either under lvl 20 or playing on console
>>341859358
Also, I like how any little tidbit of information or intent communicated by the developer, either through official channels or informally, with or without selective hearing, becomes a "promise".
>>341862392
>Close range combatant, meaning he does literally nothing if hes not putting himself in danger
>Death Blossom is only good if the enemy team has the reaction time of a snail and no sound on
>It's also countered by literally everything
>Shadow step makes him incredibly vulnerable, is slow as fuck and is incredibly obvious
>Wraith form is 8s and lasts for 3 seconds
It's really easy to kill and counter reaper if you have half a brain, hes also easy to run away from.
You could argue that:
"But other heroes have only 150/200 health and they have to be in close range too!"
Most of them have better escapes/abilities compared to reaper.
>>341864650
If they actually want her to function as a tank her survivability in the mech needs to be increased. Either remove crit box or massively boost HP
>>341864173
Slightly beefier is an understatement, the amount of times I've hit reaper at point blank and have him calmly turn around and kill me is ridiculous. 250 is overkill, and you know it.
>>341864748
on pc, level 50ish.
>>341859263
it's not even that much of a nerf to provoke any tears
he can still melt almost everything away in an instant
>>341859263
>McCree is now just worse 76
t-thanks Blizzard
>>341859263
>cant melt mei and reaper now
it sucks
>>341860103
She can't OSK Zenyatta and Tracer anymore, but more importantly, the scope nerf means she lost a lot of mobility and damage potential in the hands of a good player.
>>341864906
Why are you in reapers range in the first place?
>>341864173
>Needs to be within 5ft
That's why he has a teleport, ghost mode, and heals off dead enemies.
I BOUGHT 50 CRATES
I have
Toa Roadhog
Valk Mercy
Noire Widow
Comtesse Widow
Junker D.va
Siberian Front Zarya
Gearbot Bastion
Woodbot Bastion
Sparrow Genji
Firefighter Mei
Mariachi Reaper
Chopper Torbjorn
Sunyatta Zenyatta
Irfrit Zenyatta
14 Legendaries and 1100 currency, and then the epic skins and intros i dont bother with
Im level 62. I could buy whatever I want but nothing interests me currently, probably save for the Summer skins theyre releasing
>>341859892
>which negates a lot of the damage
not that much actually since damage absorption is capped at 5, so with fth only ~11% get absorbed
Where's the change log?
>>341865008
Seriously, I kept playing McRee after the nerf because I've always used the left click more anyway but if someone gets even remotely close to you you're fucked. And killing tracer is impossible unless it's point blank.
>>341865145
Because I was sneaking up behind him.
>>341865269
>but if someone gets even remotely close to you you're fucked.
You mean except that you can still gib 90% of the cast? What the fuck
>And killing tracer is impossible unless it's point blank.
E+rightclick? Flashbang has pretty big range
>>341860606
In like fucking 200+ games I've never seen a Zeyatta get a potg
Literally 0
>>341864685
>I consistently wrecked widow with pharah all the time.
You're probably in a really low MMR or just playing godawful Widows then. Widow hardcounters Pharah if she can aim at all.
>>341865353
>Sneaking up behind someone with two shotguns
????
>>341859263
Now all they need to do is nerf junkrat into the ground and the game is perfect
>>341865394
Ive gotten at least 5 potgs in my 24 games of zenyatta, he does a lot of damage
>>341859263
>i keep running into mccrees as reinhardt that try to solo me with right click and get fucked up by my rocket hammer
this nerf is the best because it hasn't sunken in for most people yet
>>341865216
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=overwatch+patch+notes
If you hold your right click when you play Zenyatta, it will charge his shot.
>>341865461
Because I forget myself sometimes and assume out of the kindness of my heart that a company that makes games professionally wouldn't have a character that can tank 3 grenades and kill someone in under 2 seconds.
>>341859263
It's pretty hilarious, but unfortunately I had some McCree """mains""" in my stack that now can't kill as well as they said they could before. These are the type of people that scream MEI OP.
>>341865269
you can still flashbang + left click her
>>341864247
>Widowmaker wasnt even nerfed. Bodyshots are for shitters
against a mobile tracer one-hit-kill bodyshots are a godsend. And 90% of the widows ive seen are just bodyshotters. Its easier to play it safe and do damage that way than going for headshots and miss
>>341865269
>And killing tracer is impossible unless it's point blank
Doesn't flashbang do 25 damage and a closerange headshot 140? Just headshot her.
>>341865531
Why nerf junkrat and what about him?
>>341865793
His damage output is absolutely insane
Any other hero i'm cool with but junkrat makes me rage every single time
>>341865384
>>E+rightclick? Flashbang has pretty big range
fan does 45 per shot. Means you need 4 shots to connect. The fan is 1 second, flashbang 0.7 seconds. So you better pray all the first 4 bullets hit. And with the wide shot after the first few bullets that isnt always the case. Currently its better to flashbang+headshot.
>genji potg
Activates sword and kills like 3
>McCree potg
High Noon
>Phrarah potg
Q
>Reaper potg
Q
>Soldier 76 potg
Q
>Tracer potg
Q and rare
>Bastion potg
holding down the fire button
>Hanzo potg
random Q at wall
>Junkrat potg
Q
>Mei potg
Doesn't exist
>Torbjorn potg
being afk
>Widowmaker potg
Shooting at big hitboxes
>D.Va potg
Doesn't exist
>Reinhardt potg
Q and actual skill and it's rare
>Roadhog potg
Q and rare
>Winston potg
Doesn't exist
>Zarya potg
Q and lob shots
>Lucio potg
Rare but only knocking some people off the map
>Mercy potg
Q
>Symmetra
being afk
>Zenyatta
Doesn't exist x2
THEY REALLY NEED TO CHANGE THE POTG SYSTEM BECAUSE ITS FUCKING BORING
>>341865881
The only way his damage output is "insane" is if you literally stand still and let him direct impact you with every grenade
The only thing minorly annoying is it rips through Reinhardts shield
Stop being shit
>>341865881
68 levels in and I was tolerant of him, but then I died to 2 splash damage hits from him and only him. None of his friends nearby. It outright made me snap after watching the killcam to confirm.
>>341866038
> d.va potg
> doesn't exist
but that's wrong?
>>341866038
Just had a zenyatta potg.
>>341866207
I guess if the enemy is borderline retarded and jumps into your Q then yes you can get a potg on shitters
>>341866242
It's extremely rare to see it
>>341864704
>>341862231
>have a job
>grind XXX hours
>get that skin you really wanted in the first two hours of play
You're one of these three people.
>>341859263
>mfw this nerf
Literally didn't effect me at all, it's so great they nerfed the retard's way of playing him while leaving him untouched to anyone with a brain
>>341865620
If you hit him with 3 grenades he would've been dead, junkrat does 120 per grenade.
>>341866321
Consider suicide.
>>341866316
it really sounds like you're the retard, and you launch your mech while they are watching you.
The best way to use d.va ult is to throw your mech into the air, over walls or straight up into the sky.
>>341860986
>tfw got my second PotG as Zeny today
>have the sick Harmony and Discord highlight intro for him
>>341866174
The fuck are you talking about dude?
His grenades are so versatile and the splash is huge, combine that with really really good shift and E skills and hes amazing, he needs to be nerfed hard so the game can be fun.
>>341865948
Flashbang does 30 damage so you only need 3, but depending on range yeah she can totally survive. They nerfed him wrong, now he's a RNG counter to her instead of a hard counter, and out of all the cast she NEEDS one
>>341866409
the watch this message is global and there is a huge warning floating. If you hear a dva ulti you take cover. Not wait till you see it drop
>>341865881
He's not in every game like cree and widow was, at least not yet. His ultimate is easy to avoid especially since abilities effect it. His damage also awkward and not consistent. He can pepper areas and destroy rein shields but he can't consistently hit people unless you are really good with his floaty grenades. I think he's good but not stupidly overpowered. C4 trapping off areas that have high squishy traffic is fun to do with him though.
>>341859263
I haven't played Overwatch at all but good to see Blizzard is as shit at balancing as they ever have been.
Knee-jerk over-reactions one month late and constantly shifting the class of power instead of balancing the game to begin with.
>>341865531
idk about to the ground but i dont get why junkrat's mine doesnt damage him but his grenades do and phara's rockets damage her. junkrat should get fucked upclose by tracer and the like but all he needs to do is either detonate a mine in his fucking face to kill her or blast off somewhere else
>>341866038
>>>Symmetra
>being afk
Nah. The only ones around are the ones were everyone ignores her while she is using her gun to fry everyone
>>341866556
but these were good balance changes, shitposter
>>341866409
>hear the loud ass audio queue
>hide behind like a trashcan
>don't die
Wow that was hard
Not only that but you'd have to somehow catch 3 people with downs syndrome with that maneuver to get the potg
>>341866540
His ultimate is fine and fits really well for what its meant to do, im fine with his skills being good but his primary combined with the rest is just fucking absurd.
>>341866603
Just makes me rage so hard man, he can kill a Mei in close quarters before her blaster even has time to freeze him.
>>341861247
i think i found your guy anon.
>>341860041
But you dont fan tracer and zen, flash+m1 one shots them
>>341866485
I think the problem was the second fan after the roll. They should have made the damage of subsequent bullets go down the more connect. So a fan on a tracer or genji still fucks them while a reinhardt barely takes damage from the second fan. Because right now the low HP enemies have tiny hitboxes so unless youre on top of them you will miss some shots, and on large enemies the damage is too low.
>>341859263
>mfw people stop thinking of McCree as a scrub-tier ez win so I can finally play him
>mfw he's still fun
>D.Va potg
>Doesn't exist
No, I've seen it quite a few times actually. Typically when she does the kamikaze thing in the air with her mech.
>>341866741
The same could be said about almost every ult.
> Hanzo ult
just step out of the way
> torbjorn ult
just hide behind a wall
> soldier 76
just hide behind anything
> mcree
just hide behind anything
etc...
D.va takes a little more finesse because of how telegraphed her ult is, but that doesn't mean its hard to get kills with it or even potg.
>>341867019
All I'm saying is it's a great deal less likely then a fucking Reaper potg
I think I see a D.Va potg like every like 100 games. In general she's a bad character and her ult is piss easy to dodge compared to every other Q press.
>>341867019
the difference with d.vas is you know exactly where it's coming from since it has a huge warning sign
>>341859578
>>341862717
>>341863249
>playing genji vs pre nerf mccree
>usually beat them because they were shit and relied on their E and m2 too much
>playing genji vs post nerf mccree
>literally free kills except for the one mccree who knows how to left click decently, die to him every time
>>341867127
>>341867235
> remove the huge warning sign on her ult
is D.va buffed?
>>341867440
She's better but still shit
>tickle machine guns with huge as fuck dropoff
I'm hugely disappointed every time I see this bitch on my team. It's extremely good seeing them on the enemy team, super fast ult build up time and she literally doesn't do anything.
>>341867603
She's in a situation where any real buffs will put her over the line.
More damage and she becomes a better tracer in every way.
More tanky and she becomes the hardest to kill hero in the game while winning all 1v1's or even 2v2's because attrition.
She's fundamentally flawed.
Why you niggers acting like d'vas ultimate is meant to kill.
It is supposed to scare people off the objective.
It's bad because other ultimates do the same thing but even better. Other tank ultimates (besides winstons) are designed to get kills which will always be better than just making people move. Winston's is better than d'vas because instead of becoming a free kill he turns into a 1000 hp monster.
>>341867808
More tanky works pretty well I think, the games not balanced around 1v1 in the first place.
Alternatively they could buff her boost and just make her incredibly mobile.
>>341867808
I agree completely
Even though she serves no real purpose in the game at the moment she is really obnoxious just because you always have to kill her twice and she has her little defense matrix thing to absorb more damage
The only way they should deal with the character is let her be shit tier forever or a complete overhaul
>>341868051
Well the issue with that is she is mobile as fuck so she doesn't just waltz into a 1v1 she dives past your entire team to murder someone that stands zero chance and then gets out by flying away. She becomes a turbo-winston at that point.
That's her design issue, if she's ever good she invalidates someone else completely.
>>341866038
>Someone kills the entire team
>POTG
"HURR WHY DOES THE PLAY OF THE GAME ALWAYS GO TO WHOEVER KILLS EVERYONE!?"
>>341868224
Winston needs a buff I think, he's only annoying when he ults currently.
Being able to be an agile tank while winston is more of an area denial guy would be ideal I think.
>>341867808
with that critbox more tanky wont save her.
>>341868496
wut he's already strong af
he has a bit of a design problem in that you need 2 of them to be optimal though
>1 ape jumps on you and pops shield
yeah well whatever just shoot him
>2 apes jump on you and both pop their shields and start zapping you for 110dps altogether
oh shit what the fuck cant do anything
>>341868496
>buff WINston
Uh no he's good, he's not Reinhardt good but he's fine.
>>341868667
That makes more sense, i've never ever been against more than one winston at a time so he always just sits there tickling people and being useless till his ult comes up.
>>341868716
Reinhardt is in every single game, I hardly ever see winstons or zaryas
>>341868667
Hero stacking needs to fucking go when comp shows up otherwise this game will be full on shit. Cancerous tryhards already pop up in casual games, its only going to get worse when they see the pros with their double winston, double pharah-mercy every game and try to emulate them.
>>341868490
I'm say all potg are the same you dense retard
>>341868931
>I don't want the game to have any skill I just want a casual hugbox shooter where the game gives me a gold medal and then I jerk myself off to how many cool medals I got
Kill yourself m8
Every game will always have people that want to win. Your dumb hugbox ideal game will never exist
>>341868926
>>That makes more sense, i've never ever been against more than one winston at a time so he always just sits there tickling people and being useless till his ult comes up.
the most fun i've had in this game was playing double winston with a friend just before the widowmaker nerf patch. we just chased enemy widowmakers around the whole match, teabagged their corpses and memed at them in all chat
it's fun to stomp tryhards with a braindead stupid hero sometimes
>>341868926
That's kind of why I said he's not "Reinhardt GOOD". Reinhardt is the best tank in the game.
>>341869153
Not even remotely close to what I said mr projection. Hero stacking is fundamentally broken and makes every game play out the exact same. Why have 21 heroes when every match will only use the same 6 or so?
>>341869176
Reinhardt is the only real tank in the game, the rest are skirmishers.
>>341868989
>He doesn't get potgs by playing his character
Step it up.
>>341869173
I still think he should be buffed, maybe in his shield or something, i want to see viable alternatives to reinhardt
>>341869176
That kind of heavily implies that he does need a buff then because right now you're an idiot if you pick any tank but reinhardt when you want to actually tank
>>341869390
he will never be a balanced alternative to reinhardt. they have entirely different roles.
reinhardt is kind of a stupid hero design since he is too unique. his 2000 hp shield has no equivalent alternative.
imo, reinhardt's shield should come up instantly, but it should be time based instead of damage based, so that you'd mostly use it to protect your teammates momentarily before charging into melees and stuff. he would also need massive other changes though, like tons more armor and damage.
sadly he's a "tank" hero in a game made by blizzard so he will literally always be designed to be a big wall of HP that does nothing but stand still
>get stunned as Lucio
>survive the fan
>push him away and skate off
lol
>>341869701
I feel like winston should be the kind of hero that drops his bubble and says no, this is my point now, because as I said before I never see more than one per game so they just run around being completely useless till ult pops.
>>341869738
>dva cute spray never
Why is she the only hero other than tracer who has a big warning sign? Why can you justy hide behind a trash can and be fine from it? Why even use it?
Should i get overwatch for pc or xbox one? I am very undecided here.
>Widow maker ult still uncounterable
Other than that the nerfs are good.
>>341870039
That's what his Ult is for. Until then he needs to be behind enemy lines, harassing the healers and snipers. Because he really can't Rumble with the tanks or heavy hitters.
>>341870953
>console FPS
Nigga buy it on PC, it's a blizzard game as well
>>341870953
Pc. How is that a question?
>>341870767
I have it, sucks to be you.
>>341869701
>it should be time based instead of damage based, so that you'd mostly use it to protect your teammates momentarily before charging into melees and stuff.
You literally, as in >literally< just described D.VA's defense matrix, the mechanic you mentioned is already in the game
>>341871345
He should be one or the other and be really great at it rather than mediocre at both then
>>341871269
That gif is so fucking gluttonous it irks me.
>>341859467
I've been getting far better at McCree's primary fire ever since the nerf. He's still great.
>>341871571
sorry anon it just conveys my emotions.
What is the purpose to playing McCree now? Just play like Mei and shoot people from a distance while trying to stay safe?
>>341865394
You and the people you play with are shitters. i've seen him rekt asses
>>341871459
i was thinking more of a stamina bar instead of a cooldown, so that you can put it up and down whenever you want
but yeah maybe
but point is, reinhardt is always going to be a mandatory pick until he's nerfed into uselessness
>>341871563
Buffing his damage or his bubble would be excessive.
>>341872058
>git gud
>land your left click shots
>stun slippery buggers so and your team can JUST them
>occasionally use Deadeye
I knew you fuckers would start bitching about my man Reaper when McCree got the nerfs you asked for.
Fuck that noise. Next you're coming for Zarya and Tracer, I'm putting my foot down on this shit right now.
>>341866412
>Tfw he has the best, but i never get to see them, even when the enemy is him and is good.
This is why gold is valuable i guess
>>341866412
RoboMonk has the best Highlight Intros. Definitely worth putting it on random once you unlock multiple ones.
>>341859358
>"D.Va needs a buff!"
>pick D.Va every game
I tried playing as McCree and I guess Im just afwul as him, because everytime I suck hard. I have a few questions
When I use his alt fire, the crosshair goes slightly upwards and moves back downwards. How am I supposed to aim with this? Should I just put my crossfire on the enemy and right click, or place the crosshair slightly above the enemy?
When exactly does my High Noon play out? I used it a few times, but it rarely killed people, while in training mode it seemed to kill in 1 hit. I either get killed (even though the entire high noon sound has played) or it gets blocked in some way I think?
Finally, what's the use of the roll? I guess I can dodge stuff with it, but the slowdown is soooooo long.
>>341873078
>mfw can't pick map and game mode
My one REEE-complaint!
>>341873078
Joke's on you. I've been bitching about Reaper since launch.
>>341864182
>That quickscope nerf
>trusting blizzard to not casualize and ruin their game
overwatch will be killed by blizzard, it's just a matter of time
>>341869390
New actual tanks when?
So what are the viable characters now? Who's going to replace McCree?
>>341873297
Aim center mass when you fan the hammer. In Deadeye when the circle around the enemy turns red, they will die when you shoot. You can cancel the move by pressing right click and you will get 50% cool down back. Use this to scare people and make them scatter. Rolling automatically reloads your gun. So fan the hammer against a tank, roll, and then fan again.
>>341862198
>Hes perfectly balanced
You main reaper dont you?
He can take out a tank like it was nothing.
An assault that can take out a tank by himself is far from balanced, dipshit.
>>341873582
Nerfing hitscan heros in a game with 20 tick is making the game more casual? Don't talk about something you don't understand
>>341860925
The 5th bullet won't hit before the stun wears off and he can wraith away
>>341874094
Maybe because tank killing IS his role, dumbass.
>>341868926
>That makes more sense, i've never ever been against more than one winston at a time so he always just sits there tickling people and being useless till his ult comes up.
good winstons are nice against a widowmaker or the like. Just jump on them and laser them. Only problem is that the rest of the team refuses to tank while you go for it. Its like dva, if you use her as sniper/healer killer it works, but your team doesnt understand that pushing must be done without her
>>341874094
>He can take out a tank like it was nothing.
That's his point
>>341866412
I'm the guy you replied to, and I bought this exact one with currency in case of a sick PoTG (that is still not happening)And guess what ?? I GOT IT FUCKING TWICE IN LOOT BOXES AFTERWARDS, THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR
So are we going back to Tracer meta?
>>341873879
Thanks man
>>341874443
>Tank killing is his role
Right, along with anything else that he sees.
He's broken and you all know it.
Reap still good as fuck though.
>>341874443
No he is to counter fast heroes like tracer and genji and other back line harassers. Which is why his damage was lowered.
>>341874773
You speak as if other heroes can't defend themselves against him. Fight outside of his range and you win against him.
>>341874946
That sounds like you're talking about McCree. I'm talking about Reaper.
mccree is as OP as ever if you have good aim
his weapon is nutty
>>341864017
I got a team kill with a dva ult at the end of attacking on kings row. Best feeling I've had in weeks
Who saving up currency here?
Nearly 4000. I need a Mercy skin but i'm so conflicted about what one to buy.
I have 760 G.
what should I spent it on? i got most of it in a 500 G lootbox
>one of my friend's friends mained McCree
>now he never plays him since he's been "cucked" and started playing genji
>can't play with my friend because this guy is not a team player in the least
>two genjis? let me go ahead and be the third genji
>oh we lost? "THAT TEAM WAS CANCER"
LIKE HOLY FUCK YOU ARE THE CANCER AND I'M NOT GOING TO PLAY WITH YOUR RETARDED ASS EVER AGAIN.
learn to play as team and pick what we need, not what you want. Sure, I love genji, he's even my most played character but I'd NEVER be the third genji when we didn't have a tank
>>341875665
The new skins are probably going to be rewards for ranks in competitive mode.
>>341866794
Not only does his trap and mine do massive damage, he can just toss them at people on the offensive and blow them up, they should at least have a fucking timer to prime because having a trap thrown at you in close quarters like it's another pipebomb is bullshit
>>341862089
Sounds like Moba trash
>>341875665
I'm savin up my currency for the new skins
>its a random locks in hanzo/widow/tracer episode
seen this rerun so many times
>>341875931
His trap does 0 damage btw
>>341876550
What? No it doesn't. It does 80 damage over time.
>>341876550
That is very wrong, his trap does a whopping 80 damage
>>341864886
Playing as a Zenyatta against him is a pain. He simply wraiths form to you and wrecks your shit in one hit. Zen needs a mobility tool
Do we all agree that Roadhog needs to be nerfed?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgRQ9_1pi9A
>>341864017
they really need to get rid of that sign
fucking WHY
sound queues not enough? why isn't there a caution sign for junks tire, or everyones one hit kill ult
>>341876767
Roadhog seems like the most balanced tank in my opinion. He's a giant target and can he melted pretty easily if your team isn't bad and doesn't get hooked. A good Rein is a stronger and better addition to a team.
What would you even do? Have his heal heal him slower or heal less?
>>341876767
YOU BETTER NOT TOUCH ROADHOG YOU PIECE OF SHIT
>>341864618
yet it has a way shorter timer to it
fuck off
>>341876767
no, nobody at this point needs to be nerfed
>>341864017
I came up just short the other day and got a triple with it. Pissed me off.
>>341877189
I agree. Only small buffs need to happen.
>>341875726
>implying any team needs 2 genjis
>implying most teams need 1 genji
I fucking this faggot character
>>341876767
Many people already said that with McRightclick's nerf there will be a lot more Roadhogs. He is pretty top tier right now, lots of competetive teams running him on most maps. Obviously never as the primary tank.
>>341876550
junkrat players, everyone
>>341876767
Roadhog is fine, torb is the one who needs changed. His turrets lock on and shoot immediately if you can see them, nevermind that the torb could never make a similar shot. They've got way too much health compared to how disposable they are, and it takes no resources to put down another.
I'm not saying that he needs to be nerfed, I actually think he's fine in terms of killing power, but his turret shouldn't start shooting the nanosecond you walk around the corner.
>>341871571
Its a common spoof, I think you just hate fat people
>>341877435
console player spotted
No one needs to be nerfed.
Every tank that is not Reinhardt needs to be buffed so we don't need a Reinhardt on every team comp ever.
>>341877676
>Roadhog
>buffed
God please no.
>>341877676
>buffing roadhog and zarya
Jesus christ they would be unstoppable, get out of here anon
>>341875678
Wait
>>341877603
not even
his turret locks on through a fence
it locks on in a .001m gap and starts shooting instantly
god forbid he's hammering it, it'll take you almost a year to kill it and by that time he's already moved and placed another.
even in TF2, the turret takes nearly half a second to start shooting, giving players time to react. As it stands if you walk around a corner with a torb on the other side and you have less than 30 health you're dead regardless.
>>341877785
>>341877787
Literally no reason to pick them over a reinhardt.
>>341877986
Except there literally is?
>>341878093
Give me one reason.
>>341877787
>People getting stomped by Roadhog
Just git gud
>>341878143
Have fun getting your shit pushed in as Reinhart when 2 or 3 tracers come to anally wreck you
>>341878334
You're assuming this argument takes place in a vacuum that's just Reinhardt vs. the dual tracer meta. At least bring up a structured argument before you post.
>>341877952
>reinhart fucks his whole team
more like
>reinharts whole team disappoints him
>>341878334
>2 or 3 tracers
No point then, you will certainly win
>>341878314
Mhm because it's easy to not get stomped by a character that can kill over 2/3rds of the cast in one hit who also happens to self heal 300 HP with a 7 second cooldown
>>341876767
His alt fire is fucking OP at times. Just yesterday one shot of his scattered right in front of my Winston's face, dealing 400+ damage.
Sure, it takes skill to be just at the right distance, but damn does it fuck you up hard. Especially characters that have a big head hitbox.
>>341877952
The drawback is it does sorry damage and he can't fix it faster than other classes can damage it. Like TF2 you need to distract it or approach it with an invincible target.
>>341878542
Just press S, nigga. Just walk away.
>tfw babysitting your whole team and carrying them to victory as Reinhardt
Best feel
>>341878583
>it does poor damage
Except it doesn't matter because it's free damage, even at level 1 it spits out enough to ruin your day.
The real problem is that when they're placed semi competently turrets have infinite range and can't be damaged without taking damage yourself. Even if you pop around the corner for a nanosecond to shoot once and then immediately return to cover as McRightclick you'll still get hit by the turret.
You can't fight them without taking damage, and if you kill them it literally doesn't matter because he can just throw down another one for free.
>can't fix it faster than other classes can damage it
but if you're fixing it while they're shooting at it there's a good chance they'll be either dead or at -25% health by the time it goes down
>>341877986
>>341878435
I think it's dangerous to compare the other "tanks" in this game to Reinhardt because at the end of they day, Rein is the only true tank in this game.
Roadhog and Zarya has purposes other than Reinhardt and are really good at things that Rein is not good at. Specifically Roadhogs killing potential is off the charts compared to Rein
>>341878542
>a character that can kill over 2/3rds of the cast in one hit
CAN, if you don't git gud. Just don't get hit by hook and you've got it, or take him out by by saving someone else's ass after he hooked them. It's even better to take advantage of him from afar to gain your ultimate
>>341859263
>Not playing as Junkrat and getting 30 plus eliminations for your team
>>341878907
The worst part about turrets though is that they can literally shoot through walls. If you approach them very cautiously, you can see the bullets do that. It's very apparent if you approach from above, looking down at it from a ledge.
>tfw a roadhog hooks you around the corner and through a wall
>>341879129
>Just don't get hit by hook
Not him and I really don't hate Roadhog, but people need to stop saying this shit in Overwatch when it's impossible to dodge shit on reaction. Pharah rockets flying past you but still being a direct hit somehow, hooks just casually shifting direction at the last second, getting sniped after getting behind cover.
>mfw retards think mccree doesn't counter tracer/genji any more
Flashbang+LMB on their head deals exactly the same damage, this was only a nerf for retards who don't know how to left click.
>play on PS4
>Widow remains unnerfed
Stay mad shitters
>>341879210
Yep, and I thought "if the turret can I guess I can shoot it through that part of the ledge as well" but no, you can't. Thorbjorn might not need a nerf, but shit needs to get fixed in relation to his turret. It's such an unnecessary obstacle.
>>341878748
>>341879129
>just dont get hooked
These arguments are always based on the utopia of situations, where it's not taken into account that
1. Play the objective. You're gonna be close to the action and Roadhog wether you like it or not
2. Maps in this game are linear as fuck, theres no way you can avoid getting in range of him very often
3. There are chokepoints and final pushes where you have to get in their faces, you become an easy target for the hook
list goes on
>>341878907
>>341878786
>be reinhardt
>take resp and jump infront of team and throw up shield in turrets face
>soldiers and tracers etc. take it out from behind me
>it's down
>done
If Toblerone puts another in a different spot, just repeat. If he tries to throw it down in the same spot he is dead
>>341879341
>Pharah rockets flying past you but still being a direct hit somehow, hooks just casually shifting direction at the last second, getting sniped after getting behind cover.
Bullshit excuses
>mfw smuganime.jpg
>>341879548
reinhardt counters torb, obviously he'll do well against him
if you want a more accurate scenario
>be roadhog/dva/winston
>go in sight of turret
>die
>teammates kill turret
>it's already somewhere else
or
>be reinhardt
>face first turret with shield
>second turret behind me wipes the team
>>341879492
>objective
>choke point
He will be an easy target then
>>341878907
Team effort, anon. Reinhardt + Anyone else will result in a broken turret. If he's entrenched like that then you have to work together.
>>341871571
There isn't a massive amount of food in the GIF, looks like a regular, albeit fatty, meal to me. I think the other anon's right, you just hate fat people.
>>341879864
>>be roadhog/dva/winston
>>go in sight of turret
>>die
You must suck if this happens, they have more than enough health to get back
>>341879951
To what? He eats any damage you throw at him, he then hooks you, kills you, runs away and huffs 300 HP of paint, comes back and then repeats
>>341859358
No need for buff, a good DVA is competent, git gud shitters
>Back to back 4 medal games.
>One as 76 and one as Reinhardt.
I don't like that kind of pressure. Then your team actually begins to count on you.
>>341879962
This. Turrets create chokepoints that are meant to be dealt with as a team
>>341879492
There's no such thing as just one path to the objective. Hanimura on the first point? You have a window on your left and a building to your right. Hollywood final point? Look up. No one ever uses that route.
>>341875726
Tell him that then cuck.
>>341880184
>team reaches chokepoint
>roadhog hooks mcree
>suddenly gets simultaneously blasted by soldiers and the like
>ded
Just because he can kill a guy doesn't mean he is unstobable
>>341879962
>>341880317
>coordinated team effort required to defeat one person just playing normally
That does sound OP now that you mention it
>>341880154
Okay fine, they get out of it immediately, but none of the damage classes can step into the line of fire without a reinhardt so their survival is meaningless.
>>341880537
>hanamura first point isn't a choke
lol that window is 5cm from the front door, and you have to actually make it in the front door (the hardest choke) before you can go through the building on the right.
>Finally got my kill 2 people with on rocket 76 achievement.
Slowly I'm getting all the achievements I'd never thought I'd get. Well except Widow and Lucio. Fuck those ones.
>>341880250
This, she isn't as bad as everyone says. But i still won't complain about a buff
>>341862392
No range, generally worthless skills, most counterable ultimate in the game, rarely picked, and you want a nerf? Fuck off.
>>341880856
I'm assuming you're talking about the floor is lava for Lucio. The best thing you can do is play him on Liajang tower, try to push people off the map, and if you succesfully push someone off, quickly find a wall and ride it until the kill shows up.
Reminder that it doesn't have to be 3 kills at once
>>341880701
>but none of the damage classes can step into the line of fire without a reinhardt
You're talking as if you're supposed to be able to walk in as 76, notice you're getting shot by turret, and then turn around to fire and destroy it on your own
>>341880701
That segment of Hanimura is only as difficult as you make it. If what you're doing isn't working, and they hold you at that point, it's time to change characters.
I know teaming up with others to kill a foe that has two to three times as much health as you is a bizarre concept, but give it a chance. Roadhog can't deal with more than one person outside of ulting. That's his weakness.
>>341880701
>>coordinated team effort required to defeat a turret
What's the fucking point if not? Besides, not every Toblerone will be successful
>>341867019
You're trying to be witty but you're actually correct here. Hanzo's ult is one of the worst in the game because the dragon is slow and obvious enough to sidestep on most maps. At best, just like dva, you might stop the payload for 3-4 seconds since everyone has to move out of the way. Toblerone is annoying only if his turret is also within range, otherwise molten core basically makes him a tank character temporarily. S76 has to be very careful when he activates visor, because any tank character or map movement will counter him. If he has to move during visor, you won't do nearly as much damage as you could. McRee takes so long to get a decent high noon that most hanzos and widows can snipe him before he finishes. I almost never hear its high noon, but I always hear its high ugh.
What I hate is the idea that every ult should be a killing machine. What's wrong with ults being used to make the enemy move a certain way? It doesn't show up in potg, but if you can force them to move to a less advantageous position, that can give your team the boost it needed to keep moving forward and win.
>>341881142
I just don't really play Lucio all that much. When I support it's usually Zen or Mercy. I also have a friend who likes to play Support so I usually play Tank or whatever we need.
>>341881253
No I'm talking as if that same soldier 76 could peek around the corner and get a helix rocket off before getting pegged by the turret
as it currently stands he CANNOT do that
>>341881486
>team up
only works if you're playing with people who still have their brain intact, which is rare.
>>341881612
Solder, genji, mccree etc should be able to destroy the turret without automatically being at low health
>>341881863
Hanzo's ult is great for combos and for catching people off guard when fired at weird places. That's about it but it he has it up so often it really doesn't matter.
>>341882028
I rarely get kills with it, but I like to use it on certain areas with long corridors, like most of kings row. The dragon keeps traveling through the map, so if I fire it down popular lanes of travel, I can slow the enemies and basically drain objective time. Doesn't earn any points, but I think it's very useful, especially since hanzo can also use his recon arrow to find out where people are going.
But yes, combine him with any mei or zarya ult and hanzos ult can be a killing machine too.
If they nerfed Widow and Mcree by forcing players to have good aim for headshots, therefore blowing out shitters. Why are Hanzos arrow hitboxes still the size of yachts? Is he literally the designated shitter character.
>>341882372
What does your picture have to do with Hanzo?
>>341882493
pic unrelated
>>341882372
His projectile is slow, arcs, and has a charge time
Widow and McCree's are hitscan.
While the projectile may be bigger, an arrow is bigger than a bullet, but it's also a game, and a bow will never beat a gun. the mechanics in the game make's widow better anyway.
>>341882372
so console players can hit those fast and agile tracers and genjis
>One of the biggest gaming companies.
>One of the most sold games.
>Still take them months and months to do minor balance changes on blatantly OP characters.
Is there a more incompetent gaming company than Blizzard(Aside from Valve that is).
It will probably take 4+months until we even get any new content at all.
>>341882652
Ranked mode is coming out at the end of the month and they just patched the game. What the fuck are you talking about?
>>341876767
no.
also who is this guy he is fucking unbearable, not to mention stupid. half of the reason roadhog is good is that he shits all over rein shields and this dude talking about how hes a counter
>>341882792
Like I said, it took them 1 month to do some minor balance changes on character that's been well known OP since beta.
Ranked mode should have been on release and there's no excuse for them not to include it there.
I also love how they try and push it as a competitive game when all the tournaments have to make up their own rules and ban more than half of the maps.
>>341882607
It makes sense to have a hitbox larger than a point but goddamn they are ridiculous right now. Yesterday a hanzo killed me by having thermal sight up from his teammate and literally shooting an arrow past the wall that I was behind, and it hit me without ever having moved around the corner.
>>341883154
It was in the beta. The reason it wasn't in release is because they were changing it after player feedback.
Also it hasn't even been a month yet.
>>341879258
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BP-Uvaz2LE
>>341880347
It's so fucking shiny, it's like she has a world inside her ass
>>341879258
>getting hooked so far around a corner that even the game acknowledges it was bullshit and doesn't pull you all the way to him
>>341879258
>Person ends up behind you when you hook them.
Why is Roadhog's hook so fucking weird.
>>341883564
hahaha woooow
>>341859467
>McRee went from being 1/2 in the game to around 6-8
wow, hes terrible
>>341883564
>20 tick rate competitive game.
>>341884417
>they say rank mode will be 60 tick rate and this mode 20
I don't understand why not 60 all around
>>341876767
Roadhog is fine.
>>341884579
According to some dude who made a press statement a few weeks back, some 20% of their players are turbo BRs who wouldn't be able to handle 60tick
>>341860606
Glad I picked up Zen after the Widow nerf. Dude's pretty fun to play with now that I can run around and survive for more than 2 seconds.
Too bad most of my headshots are accidents.
>>341884686
I fucking hate this "to be continued" memeshit.
>>341884803
>80% of the players have to suffer for the minority.
Sounds like real life refugees.
>consolefag
>tfw no update to nerf them
t-thanks blizzard
>people don't know how to counter Roadhog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxI3RU8mEfI
>>341867019
People just don't play D.va correctly, she is not meant to be a damage dealer, or frontline tank, she is like winston with a bit more survivablity but less AOE.
>Take out Widow, Mercy, Lucio, Zenyatta, and Hanzo reliably
>After killing some of the most pesky heros distract the enemies to the best of your ability as your team gets in.
>Build ult and destroy lines, if you have a decent team they will come in as everyone is scrambling to avoid your ult.
>literally stop most ults with your shield.
>ride cart and blow up right when they destroy your bot.
Just please guys, stop picking d.va on defense.
>>341859263
holy shit that's huge
>>341883564
People don't realize that the hook is hitscan. Combine that with 3rd world American poverty internet and there you go.
>>341885665
it's a hitscan with a cast animation after
if they are in your sights when you hit the button they always get grabbled
>>341860537
Except for Genji, who he's intended to counter, because Genji can reflect or blink after the stun ends now that it takes longer to kill him with Fan.
The nerf was deserved, but it does now make Fan completely useless aside from killing Tracer and Zenyatta
>>341877952
>do you have long distance los
76, find some cover, pop a few mags and helix rockets
>is it behind cover
junkrat
aside from a few maps with chokepoints, you can bypass the turrets too
>>341859263
i play Widow the most and i'm fine with her nerf, tbqh i think both nerfs were quite good
>>341862392
It does make sense, if you drop Reaper to 200 health Roadhog will fuck him hard.
>>341886076
That's just plain bad turret placement, you can put it on every objective so that it can hit anything that can hit it.
>>341859263
>people who choose symmetra for initial push on koth
kill yourselves
>>341885585
D.Va works as a front line tank when you need to make a gap for your team to exploit.
So if say you're facing a bastion and he's fucking everything up, D.Va lets you block all his attacks so your team can kill him.
Any time you need to stop a lot of fire from a single direction D.Va is your girl for it, and that's really the only instance where I see her being a real tank.
>>341887337
>hey it's me ur brother
>>341868496
winston is arguably the best tank on Koth and point maps with reinhardt closely behind him. Payload reinhardt dominates
>>341859710
>tanks were made to deal dps, not tank for the team
This is how you spot disabled people
>nerf mccree so he still kills tanks
>nerf mccree so it's now hard as fuck to kill tracer genji mei or reaper
they need to narrow fth shot radius, I'm never going to use it until they do that.
>>341874773
You know you could always just shoot him outside of his kill zone.
Seriously, don't instinctively run toward him and you will learn real fast he isn't a threat unless he gets the drop on you or blind corners.
>>341877390
that's because roadhog will take over the: use skill > insta kill hero, that McCree used to fill. Not to the same degree of course.
>there are people in this thread that actually think reaper the most balanced hero in the game is OP
>>341888503
he's a little bit strong, especially in KotH, but I wouldn't call him OP
>>341876767
Hes a little stupid to fight atm. If he sees you, you get hooked. Even if you activate your escape abilities his hook goes through them because this lag compensation and the fact that the hook over rides them.
personally I think they need to buff the ult gain when you shoot him.
>>341877986
Hook is not that hard to hit and only on 8 sec cooldown and pretty long range. He can jank out 200 hp characters and insta kill them alone before they're able to act. Imo he's a huge McCree with a lot of HP.
Zarya can deny ults on with shields since any damage get negated as long as shield is up (10000 dmg on a 5 hp shield will not the damage the hero). She has 200 hp and 200 shield which means she can easily skirmish since she'll always regen half her HP. 190 DPS on a beam weapon if you charge with shields, 90 damage grenades is pretty good. Imo she's more of an Offensive/support character. Also her ulti is pretty bonkers.
The only "true" tank in this game is reinhardt but his offensive capabilities is quite limited compared to the other tanks unless he has his ulti or someone unknowingly stumbles into his charge. The other tanks falls more into the other categories while reinhardt is THE tank.
gg2ez
>>341880250
>>341880884
I am gud. That's why I'm always happy to see an enemy D.va. It's pretty much free kills.
>>341861208
>all they know is that they don't want to increase her damage
As long as I'm still safely able to easily take her down 1v1 as Tracer I don't care what they do.
>>341882372
But hanzo is literally trash tier and in every way inferior to widowmaker.
>>341890221
but hanzo is more fun than widow, landing a long range headshot and hearing "plink" is much better than easily doing it with a hitscan
>>341886061
>but it does now make Fan completely useless aside from killing Tracer and Zenyatta
Man you are just trash, aren't you?
>tfw farming widowcucks with my god-tier winston
#674 in score per min as winston where my monkey boys at
>>341890348
fun =/= good, sadly.
>>341890583
I feel sorry for you if you need the best character to win
>genji is bad meme
>>341890409
>monkey jumps at me
>anything and everything out heals him
>he starts panicking because my health isn't going down when he holds down left click
>he keeps jumping like a clipped bird trying to escape
absolutely awful hero.
>>341866038
Winston isn't hard to get one as environmental kills are weighted super highly.
http://plays.tv/video/574b5edc2d1c119dd8/monkey-man-is-my-new-favorite-overwatch?from=user
>>341890687
Well if you read i never said that. He's just a bad hero with no redeeming qualities and people want to nerf him for some reason.
>>341891212
amazing bro you pulled out the sword
>>341869738
>tfw pushing the Mcree backwards with the M2 attack just before he does his FB, so he gets shot back and essentially Flash Bangs his own feet for nothing
>tfw they always proceed to panic Fan the Hammer and run away
Lel shitters need to learn to M1
>play game where everyone is dumb.
>pop d.va ult on that ching chong koth map
>shield man pops shield to stop the ult from killing his two buddies
>the mech is still flying, so it bumps him off the bridge and now they have no time to run
>for giggles I'm just standing next to mech spamming hello
>mercy and bastion also say hi
>we all die
We had like 3 genji and a hanzo the whole time and never capped once. So the rest of the time everyone was fucking around while bad mouthing the genjis
>>341891212
>uses super
>gets eliminations
>took time to make a webm
>>341891212
my friend got potg yesterday by deflecting a tracer ulti and a zarya ulti. You are small time
>>341891347
>mccree didn't kill you there and then
Only thing genji has for him is the swift strike reset.
>>341891212
When do I get to queue against these teams that don't pay attention at all?
>>341891347
Is Genji having a good ult some kind of meme? It's literally the worst one in the game he is multitudes better and safer without it.
>>341891850
it's a "press Q" so it's much more likely to get potg with.
>>341891812
to be fair he tried, he landed the flashbang and got 4/6 of the way through fan before the reflect went off
>>341859263
they didnt change what made widowmaker broken, why would anyone be butthurt.
>>341892072
Yes they did..? Her existence before her nerf literally made a character unplayable.
They should improve training mode, the bots have no real semblence to any characters, and their movement speed is way too slow. That and theres no good air shot practice.
>>341891212
>there's always a genji who ults when I'm hammer man
>just wail on him until he dies
>charge nearby healer
>potg nearly every time for shut down
I realize that the characters i tend to pick can't be countered by a genji's reflect and it makes me chuckle every time someone does it as a sort of crutch.
>>341892029
He just needed to hit you once
>>341873582
t. infernally bootyblasted mcfree main
>>341876767
The only thing I hate about roadhog is how he can one shot you with his right click.
I'll just be in his hooks range and dodge it, but it won't matter since his right click will kill any >250 HP hero instantly.
They need to look into that, not even a point blank M1 can instagib someone.
So what the fuck are you suppose to do vs. Zarya's with the shield up?
Besides running away, that is
Why do people want to play overpowered characters and get butthurt when the game becomes more balanced and fun?
>>341892253
after he landed the flashbang he immediately tried to fan as usual, the reflect went off before any of the fans connected and he died before it ended. Nothing he could have done except start fanning earlier
>>341892376
Reload, reposition, check your surroundings, dodge her attacks, walk behind any form of cover
>>341892308
yeah I think he rightclick needs nerfs too. My second most hours are on roadhog and You can 1-shot even tanks with Rightclick+shift+leftclick+melee and it is somewhat ridiculous
>>341866038
>reinhardt
>press q and actual skill
Somehow this is different than Genji pressing Q and holding left mouse button?
It's even easier as reinhardt because the box is so much bigger and stays active for much longer.
Get real.
Now if you want a real rare play of the game, try a Reinhardt who DIDN'T ult to get it.
>>341876767
the most reddit video imaginable
anyone with that stupid blue yeti mic is such a fucking tryhard
>>341892497
Roadhog is a tank killer. Hes supposed to be a strong counter to reinhardt.
>>341892145
oh naive zenyatta. until they nerf her rate of fire or charge rate shes going to shut down whole teams by herself. I'll double body shot a slow ass zenyatta player for you today. ;)
>>341860986
>revive at least 3 people to get potg easily as mercy
>push 2 people off the edge to get potg easily as lucio
>to get potg as zen you have to land 10 headshots in a row, shutdown 2 ults, and save 4 people with your ult
>>341892619
But D.VA hard counters Roadhog.
>>341892743
I'd rather get 2-shot and have a chance than get 1-shot and switch characters
>>341892762
Rightclick+shift+leftclick++melee 1-shots d.va
>>341869738
>stun a Lucio
>headshot him once for 140 damage, fan the rest of the clip for a kill
Shitters need to learn how to play mccree
>>341891347
>Console aim.webm
>>341892619
Not that guy but he's a strong everything killer. He might as well be a fat reaperactually roadhog wearing a really big reaper costume would be a great skin.
>>341892808
what exactly are you going to do in the half second between body shots that will magically save you?
>>341892995
It's funny because that's exactly what an average pc player would look like versus good console players
>>341893092
go back behind the corner I just turned? Half second is longer than you think my dude
>>341893103
>he thinks console gamers aren't at a massive disadvantage when it comes to fps
What are you 12?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJN1VvfHO4M
>>341892913
>Does 336 damage per second to roadhog
>can enter the fight with roadhog on her own terms
>is able to shield most of his fire and if roadhog lets her eat any of her shots hes already dead
>>341893189
It's really not, if you're dealing with a good widow and not one deliberately body shotting she could be killing two of you in one hit with that time frame. This nerf was just to appease bad players and not actually nerf widow.
>>341893294
That's what i'm saying retard. An average pc player playing on keyboard+mouse would absolutely shit on above average consolekids
>>341893393
if roadhog gets a hook on D.VA it's a free kill for him. Because of her cockpit which is her whole crit-zone is so big, basically all of Roadhogs pellets will be a crit, dealing fucktons of damage. She goes down in 2 shots.
>>341893294
i think that's what he meant to say
the average pc player is genji but even good console players can barely turn with their fucktarded cotrols
>>341893540
d.va can shield that shield that shit and escape
If the stars align and you ambush d.va yes you get the kill, but that's how roadhog works in general.
>>341893573
>>341893294
>>341893103
>>341892995
you guys seem to forget good players make other good players look bad
>>341876767
>throwing your hook first in the roadhog v roadhog
>rein counters roadhog
>uses self heal multiple times when healer is next to him and he's not in danger
kek this guy probably thinks he's good
>>341893679
>if the stars align
Nigga I play a lot of roadhog and I think i have in my 340 games lost like 2 or 3 1v1's against a D.VA as a Roadhog
>>341893763
>>uses self heal multiple times when healer is next to him and he's not in danger
It's often good to do that to get back in the fight a few seconds earlier
>>341893836
>there are a ton of shit d.vas
No surprise really, shes up there with genji with how hard she is to play.
>>341893763
>>341893873
also lets you get on fire time for epic stat cards
>>341893942
she's also up there with genji on how much they don't do compared to other heroes
>>341893947
Yes, 95% on fire all day long
>>341893836
Dude I play a shit ton of D.VA and I've never once lost against a Roadhog.
IF they do manage to kill my mecha just shoot them down in the human form easily.
>>341884417
>competitive
says who?
>>341894107
Damn son, that's just definitely not my experience
>Play as Roadhog
>Shoot them
>They survive with like 50 % of their health and run away
Uh, okay.
There is something I'm not getting
>>341893942
>there are a ton of shit d.vas
D.VA is objectively the worst hero in the whole game, I don't understand why anyone would waste their time playing her
>>341893540
Not that guy but any time i go against a roadhog who hooks me as d.va, he never gets a 1 hit kill on me. I'm always able to get a charge bump, melee hit and a few pellets to the face before he's able to finish off my mech. By then it's usually anyone's game, he either gets his last shot off and gets me or he just stands there to heal and eats 20 peas to the face. Even if i use that chance to flee, his body is fat enough to charge my mech refill nearly on its own. It's hardly a blow out when they meet.
>>341891347
It's a great play, no question
But it's worth noting that he's got that harmony orb going from Zenyatta, he probably would not have made it as far without it.
>>341894406
100% happens with hanzos
Skinny ass chink motherfucker
>>341894406
Well either they are a hero who just has high health.
Or, which is the likely thing, they are low health heroes, but their hitbox is so small that now all of your pellets will hit. It happens ALL the time when you hook a Mercy
>>341894491
I got 60%+ winrate with 150+ games as D.VA. am I doing something wrong?
>>341894735
>that now all pellets will hit
*that not, i meant
>>341894787
>60%+ win rate
Prove it desu
>>341894491
>Get golds for damage output, kills, and objective times with D.va
I eat roadhogs, Toblerones, and McCrees for lunch with D.va. Just shield, jetpack into them, and then gun them down.
>>341894406
Melee after you shoot nigger
>>341876767
the only problem woth roadhog is lag compensation pulling people through walls, but that's only because some autist decided not to seperate aus servers from american servers
>>341894406
>They survive with like 50 % of their health and run away
That's an exaggeration and you know it
>>341895150
THIS HAPPENS ALL THE FUCKING TIME WITH HANZO THOUGH
WHAT KIND OF DIET IS HE ON REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
A Hog hook+click+melee combo will deal 395 to a d.va, leaving her with 105 hp, assuming every single pellet is a headshot. Armor is very effective against attacks that are a lot of hits with each hit doing a little damage. Hog can generally win if he gets the drop on you, and you can generally win if you get the drop on him.
>>341894491
She's underpowered but the worst character is easily Mei. They nerfed her alt fire way too much in the closed beta, should have stayed buffed as it was.
>>341894491
She's great when you git gud, people hardly fight a good d.va so they don't know how to handle the one that knows what she's doing.
I've never fought a d.va who plays like i do save for the one time i spec'd a friend's game and then got put on the losing team when a nigga bitch quit. So we often clashed as d.vas and it was pretty fun.
>>341866841
great filename
>>341895291
rightclick+hook+leftclick+melee is a guaranteed kill on d.va's mech
>mfw people don't know about hook cancels
>>341895291
Not that guy but her alt fire is really good once you learn it. 6 shots with no drop offor arching is making me questions whether or not if it's too good.
>heroes can still activate abilities when they are hooked
>they cannot activate movement based abilities
hows that
>>341895553
pray tell
>>341880250
she does need a buff, people literally stand in your fire because they know they can kill you first. its pathetic. they'll probably end up removing the crit box cause its the source of all her weakness.
>>341895667
since the hook is hitscan wherever you shot your rightclick and landed your hook will also hit meaning you can do the normal combo while getting an extra shot in increasing the damage by about 200(?)
>>341895753
if they moved her crit zone to her back she'd be perfect
>>341895553
this. d.va has got shit against roadhog
>>341877113
And you can stick it onto people.
>>341895753
I want there to be a buff to her actual playstyle, like faster cooldowns or her shield stops every single type of projectile or ability
>>341895831
>having a 550 health armored tank in your face every few seconds with no visible critbox and 330 potential damage per second
anon you're retarded
So what is this casual baby of TF2 and MNC?
>>341895753
her speed while firing should be increased and she should be able to fire while boosting.
>>341866038
I mean it was a pretty shitty match but I think both sides of the fence for Play of the Game are retarded. It's just a novelty.
I almost never use McRee's right click now unless they're in melee range. Two headshots will kill anything that moves and they aren't that difficult to pull off.
>>341859263
>tfw tried mccree after nerf
>still a monster
>only difference is now you can't just be totally retarded about it.
stun -> fan -> roll fan still kills 90% of people
Hell I killed a 76 + mercy combo like that. The stray shots killed the mercy while i was blasting the 76.
>>341895932
Then take 3 steps back and she does like 3 damage. She's like a bullet, she aim and kill like 1 person before she becomes spent. A better d.va knows better but you don't get many of those.
>>341866321
And ruin all the enjoyment of leveling, because you had to have everything now.
>>341866038
>Roadhog POTG
>Q
kek
I regularly get POTG as Roadhog and almost none of them use his Q. He can 1-shot almost every class and if he hooks you it's a guaranteed kill.
>>341895983
Google it, retard.
>>341896003
its whats gonna happen based on the "damage or suvivability, not both" comment
her design is supposed to be about being annoying and never dying but the mech goes down way too quick
>>341885040
>zipper on a hard breast plate
why
>>341896267
>Q 3 people into a wall as roadhog leading to triple kill
>POTG goes to hanzo firing his ulti through a wall killing 3 people
algorithm is FUCKED
>>341896267
preach
>>341896296
SIXTY DOLLARS FOR MULTIPLAYER ONLY?
Pass.
>>341860126
It's so hard to get good ults as pharah. on any team that has your number you pretty much have to pair it with rein to keep them from shitting all over you the second they hear you.
either that, or the more logical solution of giving her a higher health pool.
50 armor, thats the answer.
>>341896309
I hope she gets a mecha Winston skin since their role is similar.
>>341864897
I feel like trying to make her into a proper tank is kinda dumb.
She doesn't play like one whatsoever
>>341896437
Thanks for coming, i hope you enjoyed your stay.
>>341896510
>her out of mech form looks like this
i'd want it
>when you make a play so good you leave the world behind
why didn't dva protect them?
>>341896736
reduce resolution increase bitrate
>>341859263
>Widow gets a nerf to bodyshots and quick scoping
>trash snipers still pick her and get kills because she can still bodyshot someone to death just as fast as setting up a headshot
Her charge rate needs a serious nerf. Also her unscoped fire rate could go down a bit.
>>341864016
too bad most hanzos are shitters who dont get their ult until the game is almost over . do fuck all until ult is up pop it kill 3+ for potg and then then jerk off until their ult comes up again
>>341859263
McCree is still good though, they are just upset he can't flashbang, fan the hammer and kill tanks in one.
I can see why Widow mains are crying, the change to their scope mechanics really forced them to commit to their shots more. Still a needed change and Widow is still strong.
>>341896950
what if widow wasbolt action
>>341864017
I got this.
It was overtime in the chink tower map and tied at 99% to 99% so I just panic ulted and killed like 5 people.
who said a D.va play of the game is hard to get?
ive gotten 3 today, you just throw your mec into a group of enemies who are going to be clustered around the objective
if you get 3 - 5 kills you usually get it.
>>341864704
feels fucking awesome playing the toons I want to in the skins I enjoy them in . thank you disposable income .
>>341880084
I'm fat and I hate fat people, so I think that anon is an alright guy.
>>341896025
Does Pharah has the best skins?
>>341897219
No one, people say that she's shit, because she is.
>>341862054
She has 250 because she's extra THICC
>>341897303
Best girl has best skins, Pharah is so gorgeous, and she can be Jehuty too
>>341865169
Sunyatta Zenyatta
Irfrit Zenyatta
Mah nigga . I have those too . had to buy the Ifirit one but well worth it . Also have a Devil and Imp Mercy and Blackbeard Torb
>Be head of Blizzard
>Have Tracer waifu
>Release game with waifu golden boy
>Add a handful of other characters
>Slowly nerf every character except Tracer until she is god meme
>Everybody plays Tracer
>Other vegetable characters get deleted
>Nobody even notices
>Successfully create time cancer army
>Overthrow German government
>Kill jews
>Play McCree
>Stun Genji
>FTH
>Before I fire the last two bullets he's mashing E and shift and I die.
>>341897303
I like Roadhog's legendary skins but otherwise yus. Even her shitty recolors look good.
>>341896932
teach me what to put in the fields
>>341897708
1280x720
timestamps
2000
2.8
enable HQ
go to advanced and enable 2 pass
>>341897303
yeah pretty much Raindancer ftw
>>341898312
needs some turret kills to be authentic imo
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