>he owns meme controller
Why do people suck so much at adapting to different controllers?
>>341788578
its like adopting to eating a shit, you could but why?
I dont understand...
Shooters are meant to be played with mouse and keyboard you retard.
The problem with DS3 was that it was too small. DS4 is fine but it isn't really much better for general gaming.
>>341788578
There's no adapting to a trash d-pad.
>>341788578
literal, using literal correctly, autism.
>>341788286
>Console kids are this deluded
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3pQ0oO_cDE
>>341788286
You don't have to constantly fuck with the camera in a good game d pads are slow and flesh rending potentially.
Dual shock 4 with not shit battery life or construction quality would be the elder god tier controller. Unfortunately these two issues will never be fixed so it has to settle in the lofty god tier level.
>Using a controller for a shooter
Asymmetrical is better since the movement stick and the action buttons are on the same level
>>341788678
cool analogy, now make one involving food and sandwich artists
>>341789609
Don't forget about the awful menu buttons
What's the issue exactly?
Or are you just being a dumb Sonygger?
>>341789756
What awful menu buttons?
>>341788286
Why can't Sonyggers grasp the concept that the left analog stick should always be above the D-pad? It's not fucking 1992 anymore, 3D games are the norm now and it's uncomfortable for your thumb to constantly be so far from the edge of the controller.
>b-but muh right analog stick
The face buttons will always be used more than camera controls, unless you're playing some shitty walking/movie simulator, which is probably the only thing Sonyggers do nowadays.
>b-but muh FPS
Playing FPS with anything other than kb+m is for retards.
>>341789842
someone is mad
>>341789842
hahaha
>not using the best controller ever created
scrubs
so this is about the placement...
what is the problem here?
>>341789842
its xbox that has only fps games
>>341789842
you okay there buddy?
>>341790378
PS also has TPSs and Talladega Nights
I prefer using a steam controller.
>>341790214
More like the worst controller ever made.
>>341788286
Is this a troll? When do you normally have both your thumbs on the analog stick?
I can only think of Twin-Stick shooters, but there's not too many of those.
>>341790214
terrible piece of shit
>>341789696
This guy gets it. I've been saying this shit for years.
>>341789842
>Why can't Sonyggers grasp the concept that the left analog stick should always be above the D-pad?
I disagree, at least with Playstation controller I can play both 2D and 3D. It is uncomfortable to reach around a stick to get to the d-pad. With PS controller you don't have to do this. It is very easy to reach over d-pad to analog.
>>341791334
I guess that's subjective I have no problem with that
>>341791867
>I've never handled a N3DS
It's shit m8
>>341788286
>Not using Arcade Sticks for 2D games
>Not using Mouse/Keyboard for FPS
PS style controllers are literally worthless. 360 does 3d movement games much better.
>>341792314
What about RTS?
>>341792314
>arcade stick for fighters
Can you faggots kill yourselves
This shit wasn't fun in the arcades and it still isn't fun now.
Not that most of /v/ even played fighters in real arcades.
>>341788286
I own all of those controllers, they're all fine but the PS3 controller is the worst of all of them.
>>341789738
Don't you bring that evil here.
I don't understand why people say the thumbsticks in the center isn't natural.
When I hold on object in my hands I grab it. I don't let it rest on my fingers. When I grab an object, my thumb extends. This doesn't feel unnatural, because grabbing and holding objects for long periods of times isn't unnatural for humans. Our thumbs bend the other way for a reason. We literally evolved to grab things with our thumbs extended in a "wrap around it" position. Not with the thumb close to the palm.
I've always had the PS controller for consoles, and Xbox controllers for PC, and whenever I play PC games with a controller (which is about the same as total number of console games I play) I find my thumb naturally rests on the D-pad of the controller when I'm not using the sticks (in a cinematic or something).
The whole "thumbs pointed forward" is 100% a marketing meme that isn't based in science at all.
>>341792752
thanks brosciece
>>341789696
fucking this
>>341790840
do you have downs?
>People try and pretend that they don't rest their thumb on the right stick for 90% of 3D games.
In most modern games, basic character movement requires two sticks. The action buttons are pressed in quick leaps up to the face buttons, and then right back to the stick.
You fucking know you do this.
>>341793447
>"modern games" is code for "console FPS"
>>341793596
t. alberto sonyggerbosa
>>341790920
But thats not kinect/move/wii-mote.
>>341793596
No, it's code for "any game that has camera controls", which is most.
>>341789842
I love these threads.
Seriously I do.
You get to see all the braindead mouthbreathing faggots who have no business critiquing... anything.
>KB+M is best for FPS
Actually "dual nunchuck" is best for FPS if the game supports it. Now that VR meme is getting stronger it will eventually replace KB+M as default controller for FPS games.
KB+M is the default controller. The only non-point-and-click (including FPS) games that don't play better with KB+M are games that have analog movement "gimmicks". (ie playing Ape Escape or MGS2+3 with keyboard feels handicapped)
>>341792752
Xbots are just cancer.
Gamecube deluded Nintendrones into thinking because that system is nothing but first or second-party games that analog in top position is better.
Xbox and Gamecube controller only "play better" with first-party games, and are sidegrades for second-party.
Ever since TES:Oblivion there's been nothing but Xbox360 (and onward) console ports plaguing PC. So of course Xbox controller "feels appropriate" when the KB+M controls are purposefully shoehorned.
>>341793980
>gamecube c stick
>primary
And you're fucking retarded.
1. The face buttons take up a bigger area than the control stick, so it would be cramped to have them down below
2. Claw grip would be impossible or really weird if ABXY and right stick were switched
QUICK NAME A GAME THAT HAS COME OUT IN THE LAST 10 YEARS THAT PLAYS BETTER ON THE DPAD THAT ISN'T A FIGHTING GAMEYou can't
Symmetrical is shit
>its another thread of idiots thinking the stick isn't the primary movement input and thus should be in the top left where the thumb rests
>implying the buttons/right stick matter unless its some madcatz shitshow controller built for a specific game
Only time the d-pad is better in the top left position is in fighting games where you want the d-pad.
I don't know how anyone can say the X-Box One controller is better than the PS4 controller when it has bumpers and triggers like that. They're just awful. I tried play a Souls game with it and I just had to stop. It was so bad.
Why in gods name would you make a button that long only work when pressed on one side?
>>341788286
I find it easier to pull the trigger with my thumb back like that, because my index finger is in a position that allows more finesse.
But that is my opinion.
I use an xbone controller on my PC for certain games, and my only modern console is a PS4. Never had any issue switching back and forth.
I own A 360 and played the ps2 to exhaustion with my best friend. Both controllers are good, but I could keep holding the xbox controller for more time.
>MUH ASYMMETRICAL
>MUH SYMMETRICAL
git
good
>>341794720
The thumb doesn't always rest there though, it's entirely based on the individual and how they play. Normally, when holding a controller, your thumb will be almost 100% parallel with your forearm. If you playing with your controller close to your chest with your elbows at your sides, then the playstation controllers will feel more natural. If you play with your controller out, away from you, with your elbows in front of you, then the X box controller will feel better.
Try it, playing with your wrists cocked doesn't feel good at all.
xbone controller is far superior to the ps4 controller though in terms of aesthetics and build quality
Bitches better step outta my way cus I'm a pro retro game #1991
>>341793980
Could you be more retarded?
K&M > all controllers
Analogue stick in the top left is best for 3D games, which are the most common nowadays.
Face buttons in the top right is best for most genres as camera control is not as integral as your main actions. Even in a shooter face buttons are more important and used more often than the right stick is in non-shooters.
It's not perfect for everything, but it's the best setup for a majority of games from the past decade or two.
>>341790214
>using that for anything besides smash
>>341788286
No wonder shooters see so boring nowadays. >Please use only 4buttons
>>341794740
probably a design failure
looked it up and guess what, it actually is
I don't think the position of the dpad vs thumbstick makes a huge difference. Even the Wii-U pad is usable despite being a flat rectangular brick
Things like the quality of the d-pad, buttons, triggers etc matter far more. The d-pad in particular has been a sticking point for some time on a lot of the Xbox pads.
Oh, and clickable analog sticks clicks are always and everywhere absolutely wrong.
>>341795491
>bumpers are ass when not pressed on the outermost edges, making them feel awful, because you either have to press them with the middle part if your finger, which is awkward, or move your fingers back to the edges, which is awkward.
>Triggers are fuckhuge and hug ever curve of your finger, which feels weird for a trigger, and really feels like it's designed ONLY for shooters, and not as a supplementary analogue button.
>No dynamic button like the DS4's touchpad for games with odd control schemes that need that extra "whatever" button.
The last issue isn't so much of an "issue" as a just a thing that it would benefit from, but the first two are legitimate issues.
Also the D-Pad is still pretty horrible.
>>341795854
You mean design failure as in Microsoft didn't intend for it to be like that? Or design failure as in, they didn't know they had those deadzones.
>>341795942
the analog sticks are so much more superior to the ps4 ones though
Do people actually have trouble using different controllers?
I only really use an XBONE controller these days, but I can still pick up and use any of the Dualshock controllers, GC controller, or basically any controller that isn't completely uncomfortable to hold.
>>341794740
>>341795854
They fixed the bumpers with the v2 controllers
>>341796241
It's not about trouble using them, it's about which one is better. Have you ever discussed something and argued for your preference?
>>341796379
nevermind then
>>341789401
but since your claim is pure hyperbole- or *literal* hyperbole, if you will- you really just misused "literal" again.
>>341796221
Not really. The ridge size is about the same, and my X-box one controller has a ring of grime already in the inner circle, which is really annoying. I guess maybe if you're one of those people who controls the stick from the direct center then it might feel a bit better as it's slightly more convex, but I've always used the center as a resting place, and rolled my thumb.
My thumb never touches the inside of the X-Box one controller or the DS4. Always the outer rim, and they both feel fine in that area.
>>341796626
and yes, "literal hyperbole" is also a misuse, please don´t embarrass yourself pointing that out.
>>341796379
By V2 do you mean elite controllers?
>>341793980
> Now that VR meme is getting stronger it will eventually replace KB+M as default controller for FPS games.
Or rather it will not, because without having a major disconnect of your senses in VR you will need an entire treadmill setup before VR FPS will become commonplace and make traditional controls obsolete.
And then there are the people who like the pinpoint accurracy MKB gives you, that realistic control can´t achieve either, just like CS players love their predetermined bullet patterns.
The 360 and xbone controllers are the best ever made and its funny to see sonyggers and autistic weeaboos get butthurt over this fact.
The only thing the son controller is good for is RPGs
You can rest your arms and relax .
Every other modern game the xbox controller is better
>>341789604
>You don't have to constantly fuck with the camera in a shooter
How do you aim then?
>>341789821
I think he meant the placement of the start button and the massive trackpad. They aren't that bad but I don't like it either.
>>341797528
>Console shooters
>good
2menyKeks
>>341788578
Because they're retarded.
>>341788286
Having all three is only a pain in one instance
>press x
>>341796983
No, all new xbone controllers made have improved bumpers
