>fast travel
is there anything that kills a video game faster than this feature?
Usually doesn't
>>341722729
I completely agree with you, but maybe IF YOU FUCKING PRE ORDERED THE REMASTERED EDITION YOU'D UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE NO IMPERFECTIONS IN SKYRIM
>>341722729
>waifu shit
You're kidding right. trying to travel grandpulse or whatever it's called in ff13 is such an absurd pain.
>>341722729
Question marks on the map.
>>341722729
A giant hairy butt that appears every five minutes saying "A hoopa doopa doo Imma poop all over you!"
wew lad
>>341723628
I thought you had cancer Todd? Fucking lying again.
>>341724158
>Hating when a giant hairy butt appears every five minutes saying "A hoopa doopa doo Imma poop all over you!"
Fucking casuals I swear.
>>341722729
Depends on how it is done.
Bethesda fast travel since Oblivion is absolute cancer, since it lets you do it whenever once you discover something. I bet that system is why they ended up axing the athletics skill in Skyrim, because who needs to get around without the point and click travel? On the other hand, it is annoying to play a game on a huge map without some sort of fast travel. I think GTA IV did it fairly well with the taxis. It works within the world, has some form of consequences for its use (even more for actually skipping it), and is actually interesting if you stick around for the ride.
>>341722729
quest lines
>>341723628
Overdoing it now, we dont need it in every thread
>>341722729
I don't use fast travel when there are NPCs around. Is that autistic? It seems autistic when I type it but I go out of my way to make sure I'm completely alone whether that be alone in a room or out in the woods but I have to make sure no one is around or it just feels weird. Like teleporting. I do this in game where teleporting is canon too though so idk.
>>341724193
I *cough*... I never lie. But sometimes... the pain is too great and I lose my temper. I'll never *cough* *cough* be able to pay for my treatment if you don't pre-order my flawless games... please, for my family...
>>341722729
no
>>341722729
I appreciate when a game actually has a reason for fast travel, like silt striders in Morrowind, or taxis in GTA. Its just another nice little touch that makes it feel that much more immersive. Bonus points if you can actually see along the ride if you want.
It's acceptable when they implement it in the form of in-game transportation systems, like the horse carriages in RDR.
>>341722729
Design and mechanics that remove commitment usually work against engaging the player.
>>341723954
Jesus christ, this. I still have no idea why would W3 have that - and why would it be on by default.
>>341722729
>Playing open world games
Besides, the real cancer destroying gaming is unlock grinding in multiplayer games.
>>341724397
The train/subway in the modern GTAs are so cool.
>psst, hey, I see you're trying to become immersed in your open world gaming experience
>but maybe you should be looking down over here so you can see where you SHOULD be going!
I feel fast travel can be fine if its done right,
MGS5 as an example if you wanted to travel across the map without running or redeploying you could mail yourself to a base near where you want to go and run from there. Its not perfect but an idea, its better then opening the map and teleporting in front of a cave you stumbled upon earlier but couldn't get in till now when you have the mcguffin
>>341724305
I agree with this. Another good use of it is a special item that enables it as a reward later in the game. And even then limited.
You're not forced to use fast travel.
How does it ruin anything? It's entirely optional. If you want to walk, then walk.
>>341725010
Yeah, that works too. Runescape before the lodestone fuckery, such as OSRS has a decent fast travel system with teleports
>>341723765
thats not fast travel, there's no way to go back and forth between zones until you reach the end of the game where the game gives you the option to explore all the final areas of the game before you face the last boss.
>>341725086
Bethesda will never attempt to make the overworld even the slightest bit interesting as long as their fast travel system exists as it does now.
>>341722729
Pointer above/around/on your map telling you exactly where to go.
>>341722729
Unnoptional fast travel.
Its rare but its a game killer.
>>341722729
>optional mechanic
>kills the entire game
>>341725196
you mean a fast travel system where you have to first discover a place to be able to fast travel too?
which means you are forced to explore before being able to use fast travel
>>341725112
MMOs are another thing as well. I like fast travel with travel time in them, along with limited skills. Like you need a mage or something to teleport to specific areas or a special item that has super limited spots.
>>341722729
Open World
>>341725376
It's not interesting even the first time.
>>341722729
>optional fast travel
>you get rewarded for not using it
>>341722729
>Autist likes sight seeing and is introduced to fast travel. Feels bad that he always uses it instead and proceeds to blame it on anything but him picking fast travel instead of just ignoring it.
Like clockwork.
>>341724380
>>341723628
This meme feels so forced since anyone that has original Skyrim gets remastered for free.
>>341725362
Games are designed around the mechanics in place. If you know you are going to have fast travel you will not put as much effort into specific world design. Just like if you have objective markers you have less of a reason to give the player a way to naturally find those places through dialog explaining how to get there.
>>341724475
This, famalams.
But just clicking an icon kills the immersion.
>>341724380
>WITNESS ME BUY SKYRIM PREORDER REMASTERED EDITION tm
>>341725574
It was always forced.
>>341725196
Except they fucking did.
There was ton of tiny things spread across morrowind and skyrim.
>>341725580
>if you know you are going to have to fast travel
>have to
Again, it's optional. Find a horse or some shit or walk. The game doesn't force you to do anything. Fast travel is designed for repetitive traveling between long distances, yet does not in any way require you to use it. It's there for convenience
>>341725707
Yeah, tons of copypaste dungeons and scaled loot that almost certainly is not an improvement to my gear.
>>341722729
It's fine if it makes sense like taxis in gta or stilt strider etc in morrowind
all these open world games fuck up by pointing the player straight to the objective instead of just giving hints and letting them find their own way
>>341724260
>he didn't get to the giant hairy butt dungeon yet
maybe if you actually played the fucking game you'd understand the pain
>>341725746
Not that guy but reading comprehension motherfucker. Read his post again word for word, then read what you "quoted". You're missing his point entirely.
>>341725746
Wat are you doing? There wasn't even a "to" in that quote from me. I wasn't even talking about playing the game, but designing a game.
>>341726080
Hes trolling, but I'm humoring him.
>>341722729
You could always just choose not to fast travel.
Besides, weapon Degradation and allies not getting EXP when they die are far more cancerous.
Travelling back and forth bertween places is a massive pain in the ass, especially when the world doesn't have anything interesting on the way.
>Todd Howard will never Co-Announce TES6 with Donald Trump
>>341725196
that's more of a problem with bethesda than fast travel itself
removing fast travel won't suddenly make companies make better overworlds. and don't tell me "yeah but it's because they have fast travel that they dont' bother" because if not they'd just make the worlds much smaller
>>341724351
>now
Yeah, it's been totally fucking subtle before the release of FO4
>>341722729
Waypoints.
Basically pointing the player at exactly what they need to do next negates intuition, creative thinking on the players part and means the devs can get lazy and only think about those waypoints rather than flesh the environment out and figure out nice methods of direction.
>>341726571
>removing fast travel won't suddenly make companies make better overworlds.
They will or otherwise their games will become boring and stop selling.
>because if not they'd just make the worlds much smaller
A smaller but more content filled world is a preferable alternative. "SUPER HUGE MAP" benefits absolutely no one if it doesn't have content to match its size. No one except the developers to bullshit players with "LOOK AT THIS MAP IT'S THE SIZE OF AMERICA IT TAKES YOU 1 MONTH TO GO FROM ONE POINT TO ANOTHER".
>>341726252
>TES6 is about reclaiming the world from those elven fuckers after events in skyrim fucked everything up regardless of what you did
>replaces magic with various types of construction
>defeat evil elves by building borders that seal their lands away from the rest of the world
>mc of both genders fully voiced by Trump
>instantly succeed at speech challenges
>>341722729
Depends really what kind of fast travel it is.
The fast travel in morrowind is great and the kind of fast travel in skyrim is shit.
If you can just open a map and warp to a location it's shit.
>>341726749
>open world
>knowing where to go next without being told
Pick one
>>341722729
Play Digimon World 3 and you will regret saying that.
>people arguing over videogame logic
>>341725603
Kek
Fast travel itself isn't the problem, its the implementation.
Morrowind had fast travel, but instead of "click here to teleport", you instead had to use the several services to get around
>intervention spells
>mark & recall
>silt striders
>boats
>Propylon chambers
They gave skyrim a half-assed attempt at this with the carriages, but they were a pain in the ass to use in most cases.
You can easily find the silt striders in morrowind due to their size.
Mages guild were marked with a sign on the front of their building.
These stupid god damn carriages weren't in the city though: they're on the other side of a loading screen by a stable.
And that was the only form of fast travel available.
Fuck that shit.
>>341727443
Why are you even here?
>>>/soc/
faggot.
Best way of fast travel is diablo 2 fast travel, right?
>>341722729
>"Waifu" has only been said once
>And it was by a frogposter
Waifus ruin the community around any game, effectively lessening the quality of discussion around that game. Worse so is when a game actively panders to waifufags.
Minor case of waifus lessening discussion quality: Souls/Bloodborne. Usually fags with Maiden in Black, Dusk, Emerald Herald, or the Doll as their waifu, they don't pop up often (except for Doll/Maria fags from what I've seen) and you can usually have plenty of quality threads with minimal waifufaggotry. At worst, there's a shitposting thread with moe Maria or someone is image dumping for a while, but it's usually not that bad.
Moderate case of waifus lessening discussion quality: Overwatch. The game has a lot of cute girls, and whether or not Blizzard panders to waifufags is debatable depending on whom you ask. However, in this case, waifufaggotry is more centered around the porn than it is the usual faggotry like shipping and mass image dumping, but it's still a problem in discussion quality. It seems to have gotten a bit better now (sort of).
Major case of waifus lessening discussion quality: modern Fire Emblem. Seriously, visit any Fire Emblem thread started with an Awakening/Fates related OP or visit /feg/. It's maximum waifufaggotry, and that's because the games actively had to pander to waifufags (on top of making the game more "accessible to a wider audience") in order to sell well. Before, you might have some Lynfags or Serrafags, MAYBE someone husbandofag posting about Ike, but you could have plenty of quality threads over the games with minimal waifufaggotry. But now? Good luck. There's a reason why seasoned fans are upset with Awakening/Fates babbies, and it's because of all the fucking waifufaggotry ruining actual discussion of the games.
It's fine to have a waifu, just don't be a faggot about it and share your love in moderation, and try to remain on topic by contributing to the thread with the rest of your post.
>>341724790
hahahahahaha how the fuck can be map markers be mandatory hahhaha nigga just don't look at them like nigga you can remove them in options
>>341728173
ur a faget
>>341728173
Waifus and shipping are two things that I hate in fan communities, and hate even more that I notice games/shows/comics are catering to them.
>>341728295
Fuck off, Ahmed.
>>341722729
NPC romance subplots / minigames
>>341728173
any game that has anything close to female-like characters that show the player a sliver of kindness will be waifu'd, however slightly
>>341722729
>is there anything that kills a video game faster than this feature?
Yeah, walking across the same landscape 2000 times
>>341728565
excellent post
>>341722729
The open world itself is the problem. Always.
Not adding fast travel to those huge and bland landscapes would be even worse.
The solution would be making an interesting overworld with less dead space.
Open levels > open world
That's why games like Deus Ex, HR,, The Witcher 1-2, or VtM: B are far more detailed and comfy
>>341722729
I think I got it figured out how to make getting around large maps work.
Right, what if there was a temporary upgrade/potion you could craft/find and store/buy for a lot of money that let's you temporarily no-clip around the place really quickly? Move like an ethereal ghost.
Maybe throw in some secret areas/shortcuts that can be accessed by this ability too.
Makes speed running easier as well, but with the tradeoff that getting into later levels scales to the point where you literally die in one hit. Real glass armour stuff.
>>341728514
>What is Cult of Personality
>>341728752
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xxgRUyzgs0
This is.
>>341728662
Overall, I think it is a terrible and unfitting idea, even more a fantasy-themed game. It doesn't solve the problem at all, you might as well just teleport instantly. And the mechanic itselft should at least be justified with the lore. Why would such items exist? Why would anyone be able to craft/buy them, and how aren't the badguys taking advantage of it?
>>341722729
DaS3 would have been a better game without the instant Bonfire teleports. Prove me wrong.
>>341726772
>They will or otherwise their games will become boring and stop selling.
Fallout 4 is already one of the most boring video games ever made and it smashed sales expectations
>>341728173
If I could kill all waifufags, I would.
>>341729171
It isn't boring for normie standards, and 60% of the people who bought it are normies.
>>341729037
I'll do you one better: DaS2 would have been a better game without instant bonfire warping. You can actively see the quality of level design drop due to the fact that you had warping from the start. They did a bit better with DaS3, but DaS2 is definitely the worse offender. Same with Lord Soul areas all being dead ends in DaS1.
>>341722729
Appeal to a wider audience. Sells like hotcakes, but cuts down the life expectancy of a videogame to a month or two. Games today have neither replay value nor staying power. Ever wondered why it is that only games over a decade old have stable modding communities and fanbases?
>>341723628
DAILY REMINDER THAT TODD MEMES ARE PAID FOR BY THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN
DON'T TRUST THE SHILLS
>>341729901
that's trump's evil brother though, which is why toddposting is so shit
if trump himself were paying us you'd get some actually good memes
>>341729901
Isn't trump's brother dead?
>>341730753
this is the other one
>>341722729
The only thing worse than fast travel is not having fast travel.
>>341729714
so which 10 year old game has a more stable modding community than fallout or skyrim (games that are literally the embodiment of appealing to a wider audience)?
Why isn't there a Trump game?
>>341728173
>cute girls ruin muh games
Why are you such a faggot, Anon?
>>341729901
TRUMP WILL MAKE ELDER SCROLLS GREAT AGAIN
>>341723710
Took me a moment to realize you weren't referring to Trump.
Fast travel from specific waypoints like Witcher 3 did is a good way to do it
>>341722729
>fast travel
>is there anything that kills a video game faster than this feature
faster travel
Empty uninteresting open worlds which makes you never want to walk through them again after you go through once
>>341722729
Fast travel only works properly if it comes at a cost, like Skyrim carriages.
Shame they allowed the free fast travel everywhere though.
>>341731821
>game has fastest travel
>instant 0/10
>>341728173
>Minor case of waifus lessening discussion quality: Souls/Bloodborne.
Nigga, if Pump-a-Rum is EVER mentioned, the thread is derailed by those furries in denial.
>>341728651
What exactly do you expect? Each tree to be unique or what? Wilderness in an openworld is needed to create the feeling of space.
Otherwise you'll end up with enemy camps next to each other, or "epic" location next to other "epic" location, which is stupid.
There needs to be space between the content.
So either people complain the world is to small, artificial and doesn't make sense, or that is bland and empty, even if the content is equal .
>>341725574
>anyone that has original Skyrim gets remastered for free.
and all the DLC.
>>341726778
>not Akavir
shut the fuck up, let TES6 be about Akavir
>exiled to Akavir by Psijic Order for some reason
>no supplies but a sword in your hand
