>Uploading mods to Bethesda.net requires Fallout 4 ownership via a Steam-linked Bethesda.net account
>Consolefags can not longer steal mods
Is the modding scene saved?
https://community.bethesda.net/thread/32339
>Consolefags can not longer steal mods
why?
>>341644658
>PS4 Mod Storage limit is approximately 900 MB at present
>>341644839
console fags were downloading people's mods and uploading them on their own to bethesdanet w/o the creator's permission. Tons of mods were taken down in protest of this until Bethesda can fix the problem
>>341645127
pirates getting pirated and the first thing they do? start crying about "stealing" lol pc master race, amirite???
Wew lad if you thought the 2GB mod limit on xbone was bad this cucks you even more. Why did bethesda even bother with this shit, good mods need more space.
>>341644658
Why are PC owners supposed to care about console retards stealing their mods anyway?
>stealing a mod
Mods are free, why would anyone want to keep them away from people?
>>341645291
kek
WHY DIDN'T YOU CHECK IT
>>341645509
>>341645643
are you new? pc gamers are at war with consollers
>pirating a free to download mod
scum
> console fags bite the hand that feeds them
> most modders considering adding script extender to their mods so even if it's uploaded it won't work
> now this
>>341645509
>Create mod for PC that literally can't work on a console
>Console players don't understand this and bitch at you because they think all you have to do is check a box
>Some dick takes your mod and puts it on Bethnet by checking the box
>Mod fucks up console player's game
>Console player yells at you instead of the person who uploaded the mod to Bethnet
>Your mod's thread on the Nexus is flooded with ignorant people bitching at you and calling you an elitist for not being able to use your magic Q powers to make the mod work on consoles
Also, even people who release their creative works for free still want to be given credit for them, and the people stealing mods aren't doing that. Some of them are even accepting donations for doing nothing but uploading someone else's work.
>>341645127
wait, is the issue just that pc mod makers don't want console players playing their mods? i mean i don't see the issue of somebody appropriately downloading a mod for the pc game and playing that on their console as long as they aren't redistributing the mod. or is the problem that they're downloading existing mods and putting them up publicly for other people to download?
>>341646578
That may be an issue, but it's not 'the' issue.
The main issue being all these mods being "stolen" and reuploaded to Bethesda's site for consoles is they aren't made for them, and are liable to break.
>>341645757
consoletards really do ruin everything
So the encroachment of Steam on the modding community continues?
beth could fix it if they wanted. give mod authors the option to package their mods in encrypted packages with the intended systems being set in the package's configuration. that would probably stop the problem for good. if could even get slick and allow the author to place files outside the package that the game loads when loading the package for any authors that wanted some of the files to be accessible and changeable by the player
>Console peasants beg for mods
>MUH PC ELITIST
Why not just join the master race?
>>341646957
I'm sorry anon, you said package so many times in one post my brain just jumped to cocks.
>>341646136
glorious
>>341646949
this is just about keeping console tards greasy hands out of the cookie yar
>>341647182
Yeah, but it also give Valve more control over access to the cookie jar in the process.
Which however you'll want to present I can't see as a good thing.
>>341646578
>wait, is the issue just that pc mod makers don't want console players playing their mods?
No, the real issue is >>341646526.
>>341646949
Bethnet only matters for console users, if you play on PC just use the nexus
>>341646578
Actually, many of the mods for PC don't work for console very well, featuring bugs that cause save data corruption, crashes, performance issues and even potentially bricking of consoles.
But consolefags, being the petulant children that they are, were getting mad at mod makers not releasing on console, so they just stole the mod and uploaded it themselves, then sent the mod makers complaints when it didn't work.
Popular mods have been inundated with thousands of "CONSOLE PLS!" comments for weeks now.
>console fags will shell out another 60 bucks just to have access to mods that pc players had since release
>cant even use them
>>341644658
>Is the modding scene saved?
No. Mods will be stolen again when paid mods make a return.
JUST BUY MY FUCKING GAME
>>341648035
And this time Valve will have even more control over the mode scene.
>>341648168
JUST CHECK IT
JUST
CHECK
THE
BOX
BRO
>PCfags are this salty over people re-uploading their free mods
>>341646136
The solution should be a Sadpanda for mods to keep out all the plebs.
>>341648730
sonygger pls end yourself
>>341648730
>consolefags are so stupid that they don't understand most mods won't even work on their locked down shitboxes
>>341648730
You'd be upset too if you had to deal with the situation >>341646526 described.
>>341648289
Bethesda has opened a literal portal to hell
>>341648730
I'm sure you don't mind people re-submitting your free work either :^)Just kidding, you probably never worked a day in mom's basement
>>341649148
I mean it makes sense. The PC modding community has evolved over the past 20 years or so, whereas console users just don't have the very limited rudimentary knowledge required to install mods properly.
Therefore, the community's even more flooded than usual with absolute garbage.
>>341648289
>and /v/ thought pc port begging was bad
>>341648730
>implying ps4fags can even use them
How's that 900 mb limit with no sound files going for you?
>>341649305
>whereas console users just don't have the very limited rudimentary knowledge required to install mods properly.
Oh come on, let's not lie to ourselves a non-unsignificant portion of Steam users are just consoles defectors on the PC platform and don't know any better.
PC is better, but it's been getting worse for a while now.
>>341649624
When I say the very limited rudimentary knowledge, I really do mean the bare basics. I'm talking the difference between your average 12 year old kid or 30 year old casual who doesn't want to install mods in case viruses blow up his PS4.
Plenty of them exist on PC too, of course, but Fallout 4 on PS4 and Xbone is undeniably going to have more casuals than on PC.
>>341649305
>whereas console users just don't have the very limited rudimentary knowledge required to install mods properly
Not even a problem anymore since nexus mod manager holds your hand. Most people aren't going to bother with manually installing mods anymore and will bitch on forums when a mod doesn't work.
>>341650207
I mean literally that on PC you have to go download the nexus mod manager and want to download mods.
On console you just have to go "hey whats this button on the menu called "mods" do?"
Consolefags really are braindead morons.
>excuse me i want this car motor
"okay sir do you need help installing it?"
>lol no i'll have the guys at the marina do it
"wait, the marina? sir, this is a car engine"
>FUCK U ELITIST
Woah, this looked pretty bad.
Good thing we have Todd to handle this excellently as always.
>>341650207
Even with NMM or MO, you often have to have at least some idea of how Skyrim works to make your mods work properly. You'll almost certainly need to know how to make bashed/merged patches as well.
Almost no one installs mods manually. It's just a bad idea, especially when MO exists.
>>341650665
I'm not sure I quite understand. Do you think you could use a food analogy instead?
>>341644839
>>341645127
>>341646136
>>341646838
>>341647182
>>341647713
>>341648859
Thanks for beta testing PCcucks
>>341650207
>install NMM
>install over 100 mods with it
>new update requires you to allow it to try reinstall all your mods
>if you refuse to update you suddenly cant connect login servers so good
Fuck that noise. Please everyone learn to use mod organizer.
>>341651109
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>>341645291
Fucking hell. First, I wouldn't imagine you can pirate the game and upload mods since you need to link via Steam.
Second - I don't give a fuck about Fallout 4 cause it's shitty but people putting time and effort into mods to fix a game that is a massive pile of fucked up should be getting paid by Bethesda.
They can't even release good games. And it's up to the modding community to fix something that costs millions and is apparently made by a "top developer" who thinks their games aren't shit.
Bethesda should have just greenlit certain mods that they know work well with the consoles, they know full damn well the limitations consoles have when it comes to mods and lack of a console. They also don't bother to give any info about mods and make it sound like making a mod work on console is as simple as checking a box. Bethesda is chiefly to blame here.
>>341651109
> no sound files
> 900 mb
> reqiures a steam account to upload now
>Playing a Bethesda game on consoles
lel
>>341651695
>no sound files
for whatever reason?
>>341650947
I want the buffet
sir this is a drive through
>>341651579
>Bethesda's job is to handhold console peasants
>>341651994
>PS4 sound format is a proprietary format
>>341652106
>PS4 can't into mp3
>>341652106
what? For what fucking reason would they do that?
>>341646526
Consolefags literally fuck everything up. We can't have nice things because of these children.
>>341652293
because Sony love making it hard for consumers by using their proprietary shit that nobody likes
>>341652095
Not necessarily handhold, but at least provide some basic information on modding, not just check the box to get it for console. There's a lot of players that have never dealt much with modding, of course they're not gonna know shit about them. Yeah they should have looked up information on their own time, but Bethesda hasn't been helping by making it sound like putting mods on console is as simple as checking a box. They're console users, there's plenty of idiots in that group who probably think Bethesda knows more about the game than modders.
>>341652418
I'd say it's more the industry people fuck everything up.
Things were easier and better when consoles where were consoles and PCs were PCs. The averaging out of both platforms these past ten years hasn't been a good thing.
And what we're seeing here is a direct consequence of it.
>>341651695
>>341652106
Wait, it's even less than 2gb for PS4?
>Uploading mods to Bethesda.net
Does anyone actually do this? Actually does anyone upload exclusively to Bethesda.net?
>>341652534
Japan in general likes to make everything convoluted piece of shit.
>>341652654
Of course, I'm just shitposting.For the most part.
>>341652710
As of right now, yes.
>>341652762
Bethesda.net is the only way to get mods on a console. You have to download and install console mods through it.
>>341652534
Not just consumers. The PS3 was infamous for being hard to develop for.
>>341650665
I know you are trying to be funny but car engines are the same as boat engines. The difference is instead of a transmission boats have the engine directly connected to the propeller.
>>341652762
There's no reason to unless you want to put your mods on consoles, so most modders only use it to allow console users to use their mods.
>>341652008
Oooooh okay. I get it now thanks.
>>341652106
Is this an anime?
>next console players complaint that nexus doesn't work
>>341652106
>PS4 can't even play mp3
You cannot make this shit up
>>341653473
This.
>watched two dudes on youtube drive down to a lake, take the engine out of their car and put it into a boat then boat around
>>341653753
+tic nee-san
>900mb
The bethesda net forums are a goldmine for comments like this
>>341655086
I mean he's not entirely wrong, Cheat Engine exists to do the exact same thing that GameShark used to do.
>>341655660
I guess it all depends on how you define modding, at least in the context of Bethesda games.
>the PC asshole who kept going on about how he could upload mods that break consoles made one
>and tested it out on his own console, immediately breaking the xbox one his mom bought him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Di6Te-plqlY
>>341655949
wew
>>341655949
I don't like how console players are acting like complete assholes in regards to modders, but trying to intentionally brick their consoles isn't really going to help this situation. It's definitely funny, but it might just make things worse.
>>341655949
>DDproductions83
It would be him. The guy who's such an insufferable dick that he's the only person to ever be banned from the private Nexus mod author forum
>>341657036
>I don't like how console players are acting like complete assholes in regards to modders
So are PC players though, and they always have been.
>>341657036
In that guy's case, I think the accusations of PC elitism might actually be true.
>>341657235
Well he's a PC gamer now, whether he likes it or not
>>341657141
There's going to be assholes everywhere you go, but it seems like there's been a far larger number of console users creating problems than just PC users.
>>341657235
He seems like a bit of an asshole
>>341657448
>He seems like a bit of an asshole
he's considered to be a generally terrible person.
>>341657581
Yeah he looks like that kind of guy who takes the PC master race stuff too far. Also I've never seen a pic of trainwiz before, he's not too bad looking. I love you trainwiz.
>>341657581
Giskard looks like longer haired Tom Savini
>>341645757
I see shit like this everytime I look for mods for my Xbox One, hell, are console players really this retarded? I know I cannot get mods akin to Project Nevada or XBOXHUEG mods like A world of pain into the Bone first because no script extender, second because the 2gb restriction which is fucking nothing because you could not run huge mods on console anyways (again mainly because of the script extender or if they were graphic mods your console would explode) so I'm content with our library full of tweaks and new item mods, I knew what I was getting and content with it...
Mods on consoles were a mistake most console players are insufferable ignorants about the modding scene and think you only have to hit a button that says "35490567 awesome mods pack 250 Xplus" and your game magically becomes modded
>>341658341
He's a 70 year old hardcore british liberal conspiracy theorist. Not kidding
>Sonyponies get BTFO
>>341646526
Mods on consoles were a mistake, most console owners know jack shit about modding (and this is coming from someone who owns Fallout on PS4 because my laptop is a toaster)
>>341658702
>most console owners know jack shit about modding
So do PC players, half the time they need NMM or Steam Workshop to install everything for them
>>341658859
Yes because PC users have always had the option to use NMM or Workshop to get mods.
>>341657581
>That's the dumb fuck that takes pc master race far enough to waste time making a mod to brick his own system
Why am I not surprised
Trainwiz seems chill aside from the serial killer stare
>>341658859
>tfw I remember the early days of modding Oblivion before mod managers and automatic sorting software
>Installing FCOM
Truly a nightmare
>>341658859
Only an idiot would try to mod a Bethesda game without a mod manager.
>>341658859
and that's why most people modding Morrowind just use MGSO even if it's old as shit now. Morrowind doesn't have mod organizers. you can try to use NMM but it'll just fuck everything up.
>>341649305
And having knowledge of how to install them is not even the issue since NMM does that for you, hell even if you want a merged patch or a bashed patch it doesn't take more than following a youtube video step by step.
The problem with console mods is first that the system cannot handle heavy mods, second we don't have a way to see in what a mod conflicts with another in some instance (mods that are always compatible still conflict sometimes if they alter the same shit) and most Console users are ignorant shits of anything PC related
>>341659119
As I was saying >>341649624
>let's not lie to ourselves a non-unsignificant portion of Steam users are just consoles defectors on the PC platform and don't know any better.
Sure things are a bit better on PC, but they've been getting for the worse for a while now. Basically all Valve has to do for paid mod to be a thing is wait for the generational turn-over to do its work and the majority of PC users will be no better than their console brethren.
>>341659368
More like idiots only know how to mod games with the mod manager
>>341659368
>drag and dropping a folder
only an idiot would ever DREAM of attempting this
>>341659712
>doing something in a way that's easier, more convenient, and less likely to fuck things up means you're an idiot
>>341659217
I still think of it as a pretty great achievement that I managed to install FCOM and make it run together with several other mods without that much instability. I did use some early version of wry bash at the time though.
>>341659867
What happens when you want to uninstall something? You can't just delete the Data folder.
>>341659867
I yearn for those innocent days.
>>341659937
>fucking things up in a manual install
Wow, you really ARE an idiot
>>341650917
even if you don't know how to make bashed/merged patches (like me I don't know how to that shit by my own) it takes nothing more than watching a youtube video, step by step, pausing it for you to do it by the numbers and just have patience (also a spare save file to test it).
knowing how to manually install mods is good knowledge, but like you said nearly no one does it, I mean I know how to do it but I still use FMM for my New Vegas mods (NMM can rot in hell if you ask me), and hell it doesn't really take a lot of time to learn how to mod your shit, I remember when I bought NV on steam and wanted to mod, I literally spent like 1-2 hours reading FAQs and watching some youtube about it
>>341659449
Yeah, but I think modding Morrowind is a little easier than it was in Oblivion and Skyrim, except for certain mods load order isn't too important. Also I use NMM for Morrowind and don't really recall having any issues.
>>341659867
Except not using a mod manager can make uninstalling certain mods or finding what's causing issues a lot harder.
>>341659993
I did it too back in the day, there was a long ass guide for it and by god I got that shit running. Wyre bash was required for FCOM.
>>341660062
You go digging, or delete then reinstall.
I reinstalled Oblivion and New Vegas a lot.
>>341659937
It is if you're doing it because you're too incompetent to do it any other way.
Basically, it's a solid hint, though not a proof.
If manual installations were so superior, Mod Organizer wouldn't list "keeps the Data folder clean" as one of its main selling points. You couldn't have mod profiles with manual installations unless you had a bunch of different installations, which would be ridiculous.
>>341660062
Delete the .esp/.esm.
Delete the textures/meshes if necessary.
>>341660314
What about doing it because it dramatically cuts down how long it would otherwise.
>>341652606
I think that probably the idiots at Bethesda think it's just checking a box a voila you can mod your shit (atleas Pete Hines and Todd, the programmers themselves sure as hell know)
Jesus Christ sonyboys
>>341660108
UnInstallation is much easier, plus if you create mods, being able to have smaller mod lists for testing is a godsend.
t. a modder
>>341660251
>You go digging, or delete then reinstall.
Or you could just click one thing in NMM or MO and have it be uninstalled in a matter of seconds.
>>341653115
what's the fucking point of it then? (not that 900m is little space for console mods, most of them weight less than 10 mb)
>>341653956
so Radio stations and custom sound for let's say a Rifle is out of the picture?
>>341660492
You must not have purchased more than one copy of Fallout 4. Your opinion has been discarded.
>>341660483
>Delete the .esp/.esm.
>Delete the textures/meshes if necessary.
That means I have to track all those things down. Why bother when I can get rid of it with one click?
>>341657581
Dwemer subways acrosd Skyrim are lore friendly?
>>341660492
Pete Hines might be that ignorant, but there's no way Todd is.
>>341660648
That was way back when. Long before NMM or MO (a tool that I fucking adore).
>>341652106
Sony is scammy as fuck with their proprietary formats.
Also remember the damn rootkits on CDs.
>>341661024
>Skyrim ruins are shown to be interconnected
>Steam power and rail carts have been a thing since Morrowind
Yes
>>341661124
Neat. ALL HAIL TRAINWIZ GLORIOUS MODDER TRAINWIZ.
>>341660871
>>341660483
>Delete the .esp/.esm.
>Delete the textures/meshes if necessary.
Yeah... Not doing that.
>>341660483
A case covered in that post you quoted.
>>341658859
yeah but they still have tools availableand it takes nothing for one to say mmm maybe I'l install them with MO just for a change, hell I doubt console players even understand NMM
>>341659515
PC will always have things like Nexus, if Valve wants something like paid mods throught the workshop no one would use that shit and just mod like they have always done
also does anyone really use Steam Workshop to mod games? are people really this retarded?
>>341660062
make a backup of your data folder everytime you install a new mod... that's what I do and yes I have a folder with a gazillion Data backups
>>341660314
Shut the fuck up, you're a fucking idiot
I was fresh off the console and never even heard of mod managers when I started getting into PC gaming and started modding my games manually, it was fucking easy and self-explanitory, stop overexaggerating. Anyone can figure it out of they give it a couple hours.
Second using a mod manager is way faster and gives you a fuck load more options. Why the fuck would you choose to do things the inferior way? "Lol because I'm not a pleb and know how to manually install" nigger anyone who knows the basics of file organization can figure that shit out.
>hurr this says "Data"
>maybe I should merge it with the data folder
Done! There's your "genius"
Why would anyone choose to do things the impractical way just because it's harder? This supposed to be some sort of self-imposed challenge? A way to seem "cooler" than other PC users? It's fucking stupid and only on PC woulf someone take pride in doing things the objectively (yes I said objectively) inferior way.
Please tell me why I should go back to doing things the shitty way?
>>341662120
Always is a big word. If you'd told me ten years ago that not only the vast bulk of PC games would be enclosed behind walled-garden architectures, changing the platform into glorified would-be consoles, but also that people would clamor for them and refuse buy games that didn't use them?
I would have thought you crazy. Yet here we are.
>>341660865
Fuck you I was retarded enought to buy it for both my Xbox and the PS4 I bought later
>>341662896
You're a fucking idiot lol.
>>341660476
They aren't superior, I used to do it that way. It's fucking stupid and good luck managing load order for Bethesda games that way. I have no godly clue why anyone would ever do manually unless they didn't have a choice like Garry's Mod used to be (and if youre looking for off the workshop mods still is)
>>341662698
It's like you didn't read the post you're answering to.
So, again for the slow-of-understanding: it's a hint, not a proof. Meaning you *can* use a mod manager and not be stupid, if you're using for another reason
>>341662269
You're a retard.
>>341644973
>>341661024
C0da
Literally anything and everything is lore friendly, even (and some times more so) if it contradicts. This is why technically speaking Bethesda can make such massive lore retcons and still supposedly get away with it. Depending on who you ask even the in game menu is part of the lore.
>>341663092
But what about you, anon? Did you too buy only one copy?
>>341662718
never thought about that, you are right
>>341663853
I pirated the game
>>341644973
It barely even matters desu. The only mods out for console are cheats that only take a few mb. PC can use huge amounts of storage on mods because you can get ultra high res texture shit, if you tried to do any of that on console the shit would melt.
>>341663092
yes but since I had to leave my Xbox at home for my little brother, my other brother had the magnificent idea of buying a Ps4 for us that are in college, then I managed to get Fallout 4 for 30 dollars in one of those god awful PSN sales (In my defense I was piss drunk browsing the store)
>>341662896
I won't
I feel nothing for you but symapthy
I'm sorry anon...
>>341663321
hey modding oblivion back in the day was a pain in the ass and that's how I worked around it
>>341664257
Yes, and there are better ways to do it now. If you want to keep doing it your way because that's what you're used to and you don't want to change, that's fine. Just don't call other people idiots for not wanting to do it that way when other options are available.
>>341663954
DELETE THIS
>>341663963
https://mods.bethesda.net/#en/workshop/fallout4/mod-detail/1911920
This one just came out for Xbone
>>341664852
Issues arise when people start modding through managers only, don't understand the implications of what they're doing, are too lazy bother extending the effort, and then start demanding customer support out of modders because they're too stupid to understand the difference between a paid product and something that's being given for free to them by someone.
>>341664852
I'm not calling anyone an idiot, that's what I did for Oblivion and sure as hell I use MO for Fallout 3, Skyrim and New Vegas I'm not that much of an autist to manually mod everything I have
>>341644658
Why even use Bethesda.net when Nexus still exists and is better in every conceivable way? Fuck, Nexus isn't even that good and it still looks like a fucking godsend compared to Bethesda's abortion of a mod site.
>>341665553
Console players can't use the Nexus.
>>341648289
Holy shit that GamerAim guy is such a faggot
>>341644658
"It just works"
-Todd Howard
>>341650207
It's more of a pain in the ass to install the NN than to manually download mods anyway
>900mb
>>341664852
>other ways of doing it now
Nigga you mean better ways of doing it. I cannot comprehend why someone would say anything positive about the old days, they sucked.
Dont worry console modders! You can still get awesome mods like paintball guns and items with modificated stats!
>900mb
>No sound
