>Dark Souls single-handedly inspired the combat system of the new Zelda, GOW, and multiple new IPs
Is this the most influential game of the century?
>>341574342
Dark Souls was inspired by Zelda in the first place
>>341574342
i love dark souls but there were games with similar combat before
>>341574442
Like... ?
>>341574342
I hate the game for making "journalists" use it as the go to hard game. Thank god the trend of calling something the dark souls of puzzle games and shit like that is over.
>>341574342
>giving people what they want instead of pretentious shit
I see no flaws
>>341574402
And now Zelda has started to adopt Dark Souls style of slow and deliberate attacks.
The student has literally surpassed the master.
>>341574560
>no one ever remembers demons souls
>>341574342
>>341574342
No.
But Demon's Souls is.
>>341574342
What changed in Zelda's combat? I only noticed that they added witch time to it.
>>341574635
mi manolo
>>341574342
dark souls invented two-hand weapons
>tfw nobody copies dragons dogma combat
>>341574795
Wouldn't that take effort?
>>341574651
Some people must do I'm pretty sure online is still slightly alive.
>>341574651
>>341574725
No one remembers Demon Souls because no one ever played Demon Souls.
Dark Souls was the first game in the series to be accessible to everyone and sparked the fire that is now souls games and souls-like games.
Only when Dark Souls became popular did people revisit Demon Souls, and even then it still isn't as popular as Dark Souls.
>>341574795
DD combat has to be some of the most overhyped shit of all time.
>>341574861
Well I did faggot and so did my friend so that's you wrong right away.
>>341574917
It just feels good man
>>341574861
Ir was popular here.
Plebs only like what they're told to like. It was sad to see all the video game bloggers who didn't care about DeS suddenly jump on DaS because it was the next big thing.
Is it possible to get that skin/mod?
You're forgetting this
>>341575028
Google is your friend
>Dark Souls was the first adventure game to do everything!
Damn, you faggots really are delusional.
>>341574917
It's not as perfect as people say, but it's far and beyond better than Souls combat.
>>341574342
>Dark Souls
>not Monster Hunter
I am dissapoint
>>341574951
And who the fuck are you? Nobody gives a shit about some random anon and his buttbuddy's opinion of a videogame on an anonymous image board.
Gaming media in large completely ignored Demons Souls or gave it bad reviews. Shuhei fucking Yoshida and Yahtzee completely shitted on the game calling it "bad".
This was still during the phase where every videogame was becoming more and more casual, and no one gave a fuck about some hard-ass game on one console system that no one who reviewed it liked it.
Dark Souls literally turned the "casual sells more" marketing research upside down as saved gaming as we know it. Demon Souls did fuck all.
>>341574861
I'm going to guess you weren't browsing this board when Demon's Souls came out.
>>341575205
>Oh boo hoo, they are copying the original instead of another poor clone!
Cry me a river.
>>341575090
ahm stupid!
Thanks anon, will buy the game just for that mod.
>>341575076
>sudden flashbacks from the game "die by the sword"
and now i am gonna have more nightmares
>>341575113
DD combat is only good when fighting large creatures. Against bandits and the like it's pretty damn bad.
>There are people on this board who don't realize * Souls combat mechanics are ripped from Monster Hunter
>dark souls invented rolling
You're so fucking stupid
>>341575268
Literally everything you said in that statement was wrong, thanks for bringing nothing of value to the thread.
>>341575205
Monster Hunter was never and still isn't as popular as Dark Souls today.
While I will agree that Monster Hunter is just as fun if not more so than Dark Souls, the topic of which game is more "influential", and nothing has topped Dark Souls in this category.
>>341575268
>Dark Souls saved gaming
>AAA gaming industry is literally worse than the movie industry now
I enjoy dork souls to but don't exaggerate
>>341574342
What disgusting UI is that?
>>341575354
What? The games combat is basically OoT but way expanded upon.
>>341574983
Yahtzee did this. His ZP shat all over DeS, but then DaS started to get attention and he was all over the cock and now acts like his some kind of fucking absolute authority on the lore and how to play. Flip flopping faggot he is.
>>341575372
It didn't invent rolling but it sure perfected the concept.
Maybe Demon's Souls wasn't that good
>>341575492
casualized it as well
I tend to think of it as games kind of influence each other. Right now Zelda is being influenced by a lot of western games. A lot of western games were influenced by early Zelda games. In the future, the new Zelda may influence future western games.
And so the circle continues.
>>341575578
>Dark Souls
>a series whose subtitle is literally "PREPARE TO DIE"
>casualized
Are you doing this on purpose?
>>341575616
>filename
Nice.
>tfw genuinely enjoyed the souls games
>tfw the fanbase killed it for you
It feels like smouldering hot shit due to the amount of ass kissing and near worship that is done for the game. I loved it as a good challenging experience that was based around memorizing the enemies moves and getting better as you played the game.
>>341575414
Nice deflection. Glad that you admit you have no rebuttal.
>>341575438
>more and more action games are copying Souls design philosophy
>this is somehow worse than every game hand-holding players through every step of the game
I'm not exaggerating when I say Dark Souls saved gaming.
>>341575354
He thinks souls isn't a spiritual successor to Severance: Blade of Darkness
>>341575492
Explain how souls games perfected the concept of rolling. It's pretty much exactly the same as Monster Hunter.
>>341574917
>Souls babby has a blown out asshole.
>>341574523
Do i keep going?
>>341575652
That's no more meaningful then understanding you'll have a fair amount of tries in a rythm games song set before you can do them all perfectly. A game being about memorization doesn't make it hardcore.
>>341575652
I-frames rolling literally makes the game babbys mode, das2 made it a bit harder but it's still makes it easy compared to other action adventure games
>>341575747
Monster Hunter is a casual Nintendo series meant to appeal to kids and adults who have never played a game before, as per Nintendo's usual modus operandi. Dark Souls is a game made by gamers for gamers - people who understand the importance of challenge and overcoming adversity.
Dark Souls is unoriginal in almost every front but please tell me another game with the same amazingly looping level design
Not a challenge, I just need more games like this
>>341575867
What does that have to do with rolling?
>>341575270
You mean back when PS3 had no gaems?
Fucking newfag.
>>341574795
It is petty meh when compared to Severance:BoD combat.
>>341575747
>He thinks souls isn't a spiritual successor to Severance: Blade of Darkness
It's not u dumb-asss
>>341575728
>I'm not exaggerating when I say Dark Souls saved gaming.
Demons Souls was something esoteric that somehow became succesfull enough for a "sequel". Dark Souls is a great game but its still regarded as being somewhat esoteric. Alot of people are "afraid" to even play it due to its wildly exaggerated reputation.
>>341575784
Go until you post a game people actually care about.
>>341575908
>what does game design philosophy have to do with game design?
Oh gee, I have no idea! Feel free to ignore everything I just said and go play your babby action games on your pink 3DS.
>>341575616
Severance was a good example but at this point you're just bringing in any fantasy hack and slash game as an example. Rune is incredibly fast paced, it has jumping, you don't lock on to enemies, you can attack while moving and jumping, etc.
>>341575905
Isn't that whole aspect of it reffered to as metroidvania.
>>341575492
>perfected the concept.
Like hell it did
DaS 1 had clunky controls for rolling
DaS 2 had ADP and non obvious stamina/range rules
DaS 3 has 0 recovery
Each entry in the main series fucked up rolling to a pretty large degree and most of them due to the fact that in 99% cases rolling was the right thing to do AND it required less and less timing as time went on. The only souls game to have decent rolling would a low ADP DS2 run because then you actually have to think about when you want to roll, DS1 and 3 have so little recovery on rolls that you can just keep mashing it and be all but immune to damage.
>>341575867
Except it Monster Hunter Debuted and PS2 and also you're fucking dumb
>>341574342
Not even close
>>341575913
>back when PS3 had no gaems
>back when
Huh?
>>341574861
It's not even popular though, every Souls games sales added together doesn't even break 8mil
>>341575747
>He thinks souls isn't a spiritual successor to Severance: Blade of Darkness
If only.The combat in souls is so meh that i can barely keep myself engaged.
Btw... Why no gore engine?Can't consoles handle it or they do it so the game can be marketed to little children?
>>341576095
>The combat in souls is so meh that i can barely keep myself engaged.
Translation: "I have ADHD and can't keep my attention up long enough to get past the Asylum Demon. I am retarded."
>>341574523
Demon's Souls
>>341575979
Anon, why don't we have more Rune games? I discovered that shit a month ago and played through it in one sitting on a saturday, really fucking fun game
>"The most influential game of the century?"
>We're only 16 years into the century
Holy shit, is OP a video game journalist?
Reminder that nobody reading this will see the next turn of the century in 2100
>>341576095
Are you implying that Severance combat is better? I mean, it's a fun game and all but the combat's a mess. Once you get to some decent special moves there's practically no reason to use anything else because of how powerful they are, plus comboing moves is a clusterfuck that you don't need to put any thought into at all and the stamina system is barely noticable most of the time. On top of that the enemy design is very limited and it just feels like you're fighting 2-3 enemy types the entire game, same attacks and everything. It has more mechanics, but it's not nearly as well designed.
>>341574342
Yes. So much so that it even had its own term coined: Souls-like.
>mfw no Zelda-like
>>341576208
Are you implying I won't live to 100+?
>>341576208
You don't know that, one of us might be a Rothschild Frankenstein monstrosity
>>341575979
You have jumping attacks in soul series but you are right that souls is really slow.Even slower than Severance and with simplified combat.
P.S you don't have to lock on enemies in souls or severance either.
>>341575973
Please do tell how the philosophy directly influenced the mechanic we are talking about.
I'm guessing you don't know how it did hence the vague assertions.
>>341575951
>Alot of people are "afraid" to even play it due to its wildly exaggerated reputation.
That's completely the opposite you moron.
Dark Souls has been touted as such a "hard" and "challenging" game by every clickbait news site, every normie, and every "gamer" in every country. It is literally the normie challenge-game, where people spout "play dark souls it's hard and if you don't beat it you're not a real gamer!".
While Souls game in general are only difficult to sell the rewarding feeling of besting an opponent tougher than yourself, normies sperg over the fact that it's "hard" as its best merit and hence why Dark Souls is so legendary today.
>>341576280
There have been Zelda-likes since the original Zelda
>>341576338
>vague
They aren't vague if you have an ounce of functional brain matter. Or do you need a Youtube video to spell it out for you?
>>341576348
There certainly are harder games around, too, but dark souls earns it's mediocre sales sailing the seas of memes
>>341576280
There are plenty of Zelda-likes, the most famous and better than the original formula being Okami.
>>341576348
>normie
>sperg
Why should anyone listen to anything you have to say?
>>341576271
sbod has guard and evade cancelling which I wish souls could have for feints and whatnot in pvp
>>341574342
Dark Souls is just a clunky slant eye hack n slash """""rpg""""" with loads of memes.
FROMdrones and Soulsdrones needs to wake up from their daydreaming.
>>341575784
Post Onimusha, the real inspiration for Dark Souls
>>341576348
>tfw you see posts made by others where they litterally think they are now made a man for beating dark souls
This is the only thing that honestly makes me consider suicide. Numales are trash, irredeemable trash.
>>341576381
Indeed.
Neutopia 1 and 2 on the TurboGrafx16.
>>341576271
>Are you implying that Severance combat is better?
I am not implying anything.
Not only it is structured better but the amount of variety in it is shitting all over souls.
Only shitters use just one move.
>On top of that the enemy design is very limited and it just feels like you're fighting 2-3 enemy types the entire game
Wow soul babies ladies and gentlemen.Not only you are fighting a lot more than 3 enemy types but those types evolve and adopt the new weapons with new combos and new specials that they perform.
Souls is designed better my ass.I just have to go back and think about traps in both games and the limited design choices in souls make it clear that their developer is a meh console developer with no imagination what so ever.
>>341576417
If you think I'm going to make your argument for you at some point you're mistaken.
Stop being a coward and tell me how the roll in Dark Souls was "perfected" compared to the roll in Monster Hunter.
>>341576459
No one is debating if Dark Souls is the hardest game you retard. Also
>mediocre
>"Dark Souls III was critically and commercially successful, with critics calling the game a worthy and a fitting conclusion to the series. The game also became Bandai Namco's fastest selling game in their history, selling over three million copies worldwide two months after release."
>>341576486
Stop sperging, normie.
>>341576775
You could play both of those games for starters.
>>341575616
rune plays fuck all like DaS
it's more akin to a third person shooter with swords instead of guns
>>341574861
>no one ever played Demon Souls
except it was Demon Souls success in the west that convinced FROM that there was a market outside japan for Dark Souls in the first place but sure prove more how much of an underage retard you are.
>>341574635
better hitboxes too. I ducked right under that shit by accident.
>>341576843
I have. Go on, explain yourself. I believe in you, you're about to make your first argument anon.
>>341575864
But you have limited rolls
You can taste the fucking underage in this thread.
People who look at a swordplay combat system with lock-on and dodge rolls to be "Dark Souls" and not "Zelda"
People who believe the term "Zelda-Like" didn't exist
>>341576791
Oh wow, DS3 sold as much as Cities Skylines in 2 months. A indie developed Paradox published PC exclusive city builder. Talk about commercial success
>>341576938
>I have
If you can't tell the difference between the sloppy rolling in Monster Hunter and the frame-perfect rolls in Souls, no you haven't. You probably never even got past the tutorial in DaS1.
>played ds3 for 107 hours
>only completed it once
I keep making new characters and deleting them when realizing no build is better than raw ass pyromancer.
>>341575451
You keep bringing up Yahtzee as if someone cares about his opinions.
He's not popular or remotely influential. He's a literally who in the industry.
>>341574342
people only like to spout dark souls is hard but they don't even play them
>>341575428
>Monster Hunter was never and still isn't as popular as Dark Souls today.
>Dark Souls sales: 8.5 millions
>Monster Hunter sales: 36 millions
wew
>>341574635
great game
>>341576714
Variety doesn't mean shit without balance, if the most effective way to play is to spam one move then you bet your ass the game's combat system isn't very good. It's not even like DMC where a lack of balance is mitigated by a scoring system, here doing anything but what's the most effective is not rewarded in any way really. The different types of knights, skeletons and orcs are basically what you're fighting for most of the game and their movesets while technically different still feel very samey. It's not like Souls where small differences in attack timing are a big deal, here you just find an opening and combo everything to death or stay just out of range and kill them with a special move
>>341575428
It doesn't matter which is more popular with the masses to see which is more influential with developers you dumbass.
>>341577024
Alright I'm seeing a bit of an argument here.
In what way is the rolling in Monster Hunter sloppy? Is it inconsistent? Are the animations worse? Come on anon, we're almost there.
>>341576990
sheeeesh nintenyearold no one cares about bad games
>>341576926
Do you have the one with the goblin and the knight?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Egad_InYl6I
I can't seem to find it?
>>341575990
No. Metroidvania is when you regress through the level once you get better equipment/upgrades.
It's nothing to do with interconnectivity.
>>341577153
Play a Souls game, any Souls game, beyond the tutorial area, spend some time mastering the roll, and you will see for yourself.
>>341577054
Where did you find those numbers?
>>341576926
Wait i found it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tbcZvGSgVk
>>341577162
I haven't played a Nintendo game since the N64 era but holy shit you're underage if Zelda's peak didn't land in your childhood and you never played them so you call them bad games.
>>341577175
I both love and hate the fact that your weapon can get blocked by walls, when I played as the barbarian one goblin gave me hell for like 5 tries in a narrow narrow hallway that was too long to kite
>>341577257
I've played all of the souls game.
Are you incapable of formulating your argument in detail or are you afraid to? If it's the latter, it's an anonymous imageboard man, no need to be afraid.
>>341577093
>spamming one move
>he thinks he can finish the game using just one move
>>341577293
>>341577175
>>341577254
Large, interconnected levels are an important element of Metroidvania games. It's just the shitty ones that limit their exploration to finding optional rooms with collectibles. SoTN and Harmony of Dissonance are good examples of exploration-heavy Metroidvania games.
>>341576990
Why are you comparing casual garbage like Zelda to Souls design?
>>341575428
Dark Souls is some niche trash for spergs, bud. I'd be hard pressed to find one franchise DS manages to outsell and MH sure as fuck isn't one of them.
Maybe Space Engineers or Evolve or something like that DS might have outsold.
I wouldn't be surprised if Evolves first month sales blows away any of the Souls games either, that's what a failure the franchise is. I guess commercially it doesn't do that bad since it's a series of endlessly rehashing the same assets.
>>341574342
It is the shittest gaem of the century
>>341577394
>I've played all of the souls game.
>the souls game
I'm getting baited, aren't I. Well played. You had me going for a bit.
>>341575913
>Better spout some meme real fucking fast
Yeah, everyone and their fucking dog were talking about DeS back then
I should be angry at people who keep calling Dark Souls the best game ever but I can't prove them wrong since it is the best game ever
>>341574342
>Dark Souls single-handedly inspired the combat system of the new Zelda
The problem with Zelda is that the enemies, even bosses, don't offer any challenge to make a deep combat system worthwhile.
>>341577078
oh and there are some nice mods for it out there
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ehj8Qzni45I
>>341577485
They were on here
>>341577424
They're both games that different generations played as children and they have similar mechanics.
The difference being Zelda was actually good and actually influential.
>>341577351
I both loved and hated the fact that your shield breaks for real eventually.
Some enemies were meant to be dodged.
Also lets not forget that you can throw your weapons.
>>341577397
You absolutely can finish the game while only spamming one special move though as long as you beat the first few levels so that you get some decent ones. That's basically all I did near the end of the game because I was getting a bit tired of it
>>341574342
> new Zelda uses muh Souls combat
why do you have to lie to feel reaffirmed in your tastes?
>>341574605
>And now Zelda has started to adopt Dark Souls style of slow and deliberate attacks.
What planet are you living on m8. All the stuff in the new LoZ trailer is 10x faster than anything in DS.
>>341577474
You're really terrible at formulating an argument. All he's asking for is an explanation. Why is that so hard to provide?
>>341577474
Still not capable of putting into words your own opinion? I'm still waiting.
>>341574342
witcher predates DeS
>>341577485
You mean in your PS3 containment threads on /v/? Which were nothing but circlejerking on weeb trash, movie games, and Demon's Souls?
>>341575653
That wall texture
>>341575905
Super Metroid
Metroid Prime
La Mulana
Almost any good Metroidvania will do the trick and with much more interesting level design since the genre is usually built around some form of platforming instead of combat.
>>341574635
This is the game that actually inspired dark souls, not zelda.
What a fucking masterpiece, ahead of its time.
Rune was good too.
>>341576001
This. Dark Souls rolling is shit and you can tell why since they just give you a bunch of iframes to mask the fact that they can't program good hitboxes to save their lives.
>Squeenix is the only good developer left in Japan
>Konami just closed shop
Who knew we would witness the death of japanese vidya around 2016?
>>341577560
I don't know what fucking planet you're from where the same rehashed linear design and boring puzzles with joke bosses counts as "actually good".
Zelda has been around forever and was one of the main culprits of dumbing down to casuals. Influential? To the casual death of videogames I suppose.
>>341577926
>Squeenix
> good
>DS combat
>Light attacks
>Heavy attacks
>Rolling
>Lockon
Isn't this OOT combat?
>>341577616
>trailer
Watch unedited gameplay footage, not the jumpcut stuff in trailers.
>>341576381
Fuck this game was good. Too bad it so shamelessly rips off Zelda that most people didn't take it seriously. It also came out when Master System was way, way dead in the water.
>>341578006
It belongs to Dark Souls now.
Considering the climbing mechanic and varied moveset I'd say it's probably closer to Dragon's Dogma.
>>341578146
...Why?
Because you say so?
>>341578006
Shh, dark souls invented everything good.
>>341574861
This is bullshit.
I bet this faggot has an Xbox.
>>341578006
>LOZ combat
>mash attack
>HA HEI HA HYAH HA HEI
>no stamina meter and dumb trash enemies that walk into attacks
>SHOOT THE RED WEAKPOINT bosses with convenient lockons on said weakpoints
Isn't this Dark Souls combat? Oh wait no it isn't. It's just casual Zelda garbage.
Oi cunts, pick which ending for ds3 I should choose. Didn't bother with usurpation so that's not an option this run
>>341578006
>zelda invented rolling and light/heavy attacks
Kek
>>341577978
OoT, MM, and ALttP are genuinely great games with a lot of positive attributes but the best of them being the legendary and timeless soundtracks that most people recognize still today.
Meanwhile DS attempts(poorly) to market itself on how 'hardcore' it is but even with BB being the only exclusive on PS4 for over a year still nobody gave two shits about it.
I find it laughable to see kids who aren't even old enough to know what Commandos is tell me how DS is their favorite game and how "hardcore" they feel playing it.
I have never in my life boasted about managing to beat a single player game since out-smarting AI really isn't that much of a feat; but I digress knowing this is the only value DS fanboys can find in their pointless sad lives.
>>341575784
yes you do because I need more games to play
>>341578421
People fucking love bloodborne, what?
>>341578351
Could you imagine how easy OOT would be without the weakpoints?
Well, as easy as Dark Souls I guess.
>>341578409
SOMEONE ANSWER
>>341574795
DD combat is no different than dozens of other brawler type action games. The only thing it did relatively unique in the slightest was allowing people to climb on large monsters.
Get your head out of your ass.
Monster Hunter was the real inspiration for Demon Souls.
Because MH is the CoD of japan. So they implemented its gameplay to King's Field.
The end. Stop arguing while knowing fucking nothing.
>>341578517
Could you imagine how easy Dark Souls would be without stamina?
Well, as easy as LOZ I guess.
>>341578421
Bloodborne is amazing. No one talks about it because it's an exclusive like Demon's Souls and it's much more action based.
That said, I think DaS is merely okay and the Zelda games you mentioned are among the best games around.
>>341578502
>People fucking love Bloodborne
What people? The game has sold like 2 million copies.
>>341578634
But going dex and Clover ring makes Stamina pointless anyway in Dark Souls 1.
>>341578598
Why does Monster Hunter have such a terrible fanbase? I honestly can't think of any other fanbase that tries to shove their game in every conversation as the pinnacle of everything.
>>341578409
Swimming
>>341574635
Name?
>>341578694
The people who played the game you dumbass, just because it wasn't popular doesn't erase the fact that everyone who bought it speaks of it positively
>>341578732
>he says this when the souls fanbase exists
not even that guy but kek
>>341578732
Check your tinfoil hat there, Timmy. I only mentioned it's extremely popular in japan.
Your headcanon fanfiction needs some rewriting.
>>341578814
severance blade of darkness
>>341578942
Thanks
>>341575076
thicc
>>341578870
Souls is bad, but they're beaten by MH shitters since they actively go into Souls threads just to talk about their game.
>>341578409
Waifu bullying obviously
>>341574342
>Dark Souls
You mean Demon's Souls.
>>341579024
They do have reason to talk about their game though, monster hunter is fairly popular in the place das is made which will likely have impact on it.
>>341578732
>complete lack of self awareness
At least Monster Hunter isn't the same fucking game over and over
>>341578849
Well I'm happy for all 5 of them, but to be influential you have to wield a bit of influence first.
>>341579024
I don't know of anyone who goes into other threads to shill their games more than Souls fans.
>>341578732
This entire thread was made by some autist trying to claim that Zelda and Dark Souls are alike, when the only thing that's similar is that they're the same genre.
>>341578421
And you've completely missed the point. Entirely.
Zelda hasn't changed in ages. They used the same formula, the same stagnant story for years and years. Game after game of the same old shit. While it has always been a casual series, Zelda, Commandos, Contra, Castlevania and pretty much every game back then had the same design philosophy which is "challenging is fun". Zelda of today is nothing but cuck handholding, boring dungeons, and shitty "story", weak telegraphed bosses, and linear exploration, completely the opposite of what the first Zelda was built upon.
Zelda is by no means the most influential game. Had Dark Souls not existed, Zelda would have stagnated even further, probably leading to the death of the IP. Dark Souls breathed life back into gaming by making "challenging is fun" relevant again, and the new Zelda's weight combat and exploration is completely influenced by Dark Souls.
In other words, Dark Souls saved your precious Zelda. You're welcome.
>>341579139
Who the fuck claimed BB was influential the game isn't even that old
>MH defense force
Case rested.
>>341579104
>Demon's Souls
You mean King's Field
>>341574342
Well, for you casual teenargers it is.
>>341576001
DS1 has tight as fuck rolling u rly need to get gud my friend
You guys are all fools.
The most influential game is tf2 cause now every game is a fucking money-whoring shitpile that gets people to spend on gambling the equivalent to crates
>>341578517
>Any Zelda game
>anywhere near as difficult as Dark Souls
>>341579104
No, I mean Dark Souls.
>>341579370
>Dark Souls
>Difficult
It's like SotN for utter retards.
>>341579331
He means only 8 directions to roll in
So yeah he needs to git gud
>>341574342
>Dark Souls single-handedly inspired the combat system of the new Zelda
Yeah like those Stalfos on the demo, boy! they sure were SUPER aggressive, oh and no need to mention Bokoblins, they did tons of damage!
>>341575908
It has nothing to do with rolling, the rolling in monster hunter has fuck all iframes in comparison and takes actual skill to use
>>341575414
> thanks for bringing nothing of value to the thread.
Anon you do see the irony of this post right
>>341579209
I don't care about Zelda anymore, I haven't played any since MM. The guys who make Zelda probably don't even know what DS is considering what a laughable irrelevant niche market it is.
Believe me, there are no serious video game devs in the industry right now looking at DS and its entire 1mil annual sales post-release and thinking, "We need to be more like that."
Time to come out of that delusional faggot dreamworld you're living in that makes you think that DS isn't a yearly rehash of the same assets sold again and again.
>>341579370
>Dark Souls is hard
Why? Because of stamina? Because you have yo wait more to attack?
>>341579295
Yeah, nah. King's Field is nothing like DeS/DaS combat wise.I don't actually believe it is as influential as OP says it is. But if anything, it's Demon's Souls that was influential, not Dark Souls.
>>341579209
zelda sure as fuck has changed more throughout its history than your autistic borefest endlessly copypasting the same three environments
the newest zelda is also far more inspired by skyrim, you know an actual influential game than by the favorite series of oily fedoras worldwide
>>341578634
Stamina isn't an issue in DaS1 though.
>>341579370
>Dark Souls
>anywhere near as difficult as Zelda II.
This is coming from a huge soulsfag that 100% all the games.
>>341579595
>Skyrim
All these people acting like Skyrim invented or revolutionised open worlds. It wasn't even the first Elder Scrolls, let alone the first open world game.
New Zelda just looks like the original in 3D.
>>341579595
>skyrim
Fuck no. There's literally nothing in common aside from the open-world rpg part. Combat isn't the same, survival isn't the same, dungeon solving isn't the same
>>341578351
SS had a stamina meter that staggered you when it ran out. Thats something that SS and Dark Souls have in common: they both rip off Monster Hunter
>>341579692
New Zelda actually allows you to use the environment in some insane ways, it's like dishonored with the "play your own way" type shit
>>341574847
Not even remotely.
>>341578694
Sony haven't released sales figures, it sold 2 million in like its first month.
>>341578421
I see significantly more Bloodborne threads on /v/ than fucking Zelda (prior to E3), does Zelda even have a general on /vg/?
>>341579786
Monster Hunter is boring garbage for super weebs and autistic japanese kids.
>>341579786
Stamina meter didn't apply to attacking, just blocking.
MH is definitely the first significant game I can think of where combat was based hugely on learning your opponent, DS is basically a glass-cannon version of MH
>>341574861
Why hasn't someone just removed this board and shot me through the head already.
Why do I keep browsing this place if I already know what kinds of posts I'm gonna keep reading.
Why do I browse even though I know this place brings me nothing but disappointment, anger, and sadness?
>>341579916
Monster hunter is a grinding game, if you don't like it do't fucking play anything that requires time to get gear i.e. mmos, arpgs, etc
>>341579565
>there are no serious video game devs in the industry right now looking at DS and its entire 1mil annual sales post-release and thinking, "We need to be more like that."
Except that's exactly what happened. All action games are adopting more weighty, less spammy combat akin to Souls games because Souls games have recieved something that most games haven't recieved in ages. Critical acclaim.
You can keep pretend that Souls games aren't popular, that they aren't influential. You can continue to pull sales numbers out of your ass where you got your opinion from. Dark Souls is the biggest success in gaming for both the industry and the players. You're delusional yourself if you can't see why that is.
>>341579674
I beat Zelda 2 in three sittings. It's not hard at all and you can grind your way to victory.
>>341579901
The actual audience zelda has is not anything that would normally come here for a lot of discussion to be honest. It's a very different kind of audience than what we may be used to.
>>341579968
You need to confirm there is no hope.
It honestly might be, either that or unfortunately Uncharted.
>>341578421
Those Zelda games are all but forgotten. I can't remember the last time I Saw a Zelda thread on /v/ before Zelda U got announced.
The only threads you see are "MM vs OoT" shitposts and they usually die out in 5 posts whereas Bloodborne/Souls see active discussion to this day.
Stop shitposting, Souls games were all consistently great (outside of DS2 and even that wasn't shit) whereas Zelda hasn't been good since its N64 days.
>>341580105
nigga nobody has 16 hour sittings like you do
>>341576926
It also has a bad ass main theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOaDfNdpZJs
>>341580127
The reasons there's no threads is because the game doesn't have a PvP to keep people actively caring about it
>>341579565
During the release of The Witcher 2, CDPR went in record saying the combat was directly inspired by Demon's Souls. How new ru?
>>341574342
We're fucking 16 years into the century, give it some time
Well, there's a reason every game is being essentially called a Souls clone or "Souls-like" whereas nobody says that about Zelda.
Shit, even Zelda is getting called a Souls clone recently
>>341580160
7 hours total. Start to end.
>>341580328
You're a special kind of boring if you went through that fast
>>341574635
final boss is meh AF
only 2 classes are completed abilities wise it's Knight and Warrior
2 other Dwarf and Amazon aren't finished and have only a half of their skills meant to exist but got cut cuz deadline or someshit
>>341579968
Kill yourself. No seriously.
>>341579674
>Zelda II
>anywhere near as difficult as Dark Souls
This is coming from a huge Zeldafag that 100% all the games.
>>341574342
Looks closer to the Witcher 3 mate
>>341580258
Explains how it's hot garbage.
>>341576182
>waah the drying paint on the wall is so boring
ADHD fags piss me off, watching the paint go from a shiny luster to a dull rough finish (don't get me started on the lacquer) is the greatest feeling in the world.
>>341580453
True final boss was meh ya, regular final boss was pretty good.
Amazon is still the strongest character.
>>341575653
>mfw running on those pipes until certain point where you slide and fall to your death
>>341580126
Uncharted didn't influence shit, nigguh.
>>341580418
There's practically no exploration.
You expanded a very brief game into an protracted affair because you aren't good at videogames. Kys
>>341579352
This is the correct answer
>>341574342
Pure bait. DS combat is a carbon copy of OoT.
>>341576271
>Are you implying that Severance combat is better?
>Once you get to some special moves there's no reason to use anything else
Well, that's probably because you've never played BoD online.
Combat system in BoD maybe lacks some polish of modern games, sure, but it is still light years ahead of "roll-roll-backstab" with basically two attacks, parry and a kick.
>>341579591
nah DaS is more influental because of it's popularity
no one cares about who did what first, only popular things become influental
you're just biased cuz DeS is almost forgotten and DaS still stays strong in the minds after more superior games like DaS2 and BB
>>341579432
>>341579571
Oh no, don't get me wrong. It's not hard.
It's just objectively more difficult than Zeldashit
>>341580127
Souls fanboys truly are deluded if they think more people know what Souls is and not Zelda
>>341580285
yeah because dark souls autists spam every vidya thread with their retarded delusions
>>341575076
King's Field 2 is a lot better.
>>341580478
Wow spicy original meme anon 10/10
Here's what zelda supposedly borrows from Dark Souls
>dodge rolling
>lock on
>multiple equippable weapons
>stamina bar
Now, as a subset of that list, here's what dark souls invented/popularized
>
>>341580917
I do know one thing. The Souls series has been more successful in recent years than the Zelda series. Souls is a new franchise and it's already gaining traction whereas Zelda is a shell of its former self that hasn't been good since the N64 days.
Throw in the fact that it's hostage to an increasingly irrelevant platform/developer and yea, i'd say Souls will be the game that gets talked about in the coming years.
>>341580857
>3 million in 2 months
>influential
Yeah, nah. People still wanting to get into gtav levels of sales. This isn't much really
>>341580913
>objectively
there's that word again
DaS on PC was a mistake.
>>341581005
You're talking like Dark Souls has to invent something to be good
>>341577735
Metroid Prime is an absolute slog with no interesting puzzles whatsoever and a map that otherwise shows you everywhere you can go. Add the mandatory backtracking it has and you can kiss fun goodbye.
>>341581005
>zelda borrows lock on from dark souls
you can't make that shit up
>>341581117
I'm not making a statement on the quality of dark souls you insecure retard. I'm simply saying the new Zelda has ZERO fucking inspiration from Souls
>>341577821
Dark Souls was hard as balls to me, until I realized how rolling actually worked.
>>341577735
> metroid prime.
Nigga pls.
>>341581005
>t. biased zelda kid
Dark Souls popularized
>picking what to wear in inventory BASICALLY invented that shit for other games
new Zelda straight up copies that shit
>>341581178
>supposedly borrows
>supposedly
Fucking niggers can't read
>>341574605
Which is pretty cool. Like reading Plato after Aristotle
>>341581104
your penis was a mistake mongoloid
>>341576465
>most famous and better than the original formula being Okami
Yeah, keep trotting that out along with those webms showing the brush powers being used in totally obvious ways to solve the most creative things in the game.
>>341575616
Rune is one of my all time favorite games.
>>341574342
dark souls is outdated shitty graphics trash
take off your nostalgia goggles
>>341581005
Challenging basic enemies. Even a fucking deprived hollow can kill you if you're not paying attention. When was the last time you died to a skultula?
>>341581268
Have you ever played Diablo/any WRPG? WRPGs have been doing that for DECADES. Ultima was doing that. Jesus christ. Maybe you should repeat middle school, because you aren't ready for the 9th grade with critical thinking skills like that.
>>341581228
Maybe you'd be insecure if you mentioned someone's way of talking, so please stop projecting
>>341581387
When was the last time you died to a deprived hollow?
>>341581394
>nigger can't read
Fuck off child
new Zelda is a ripoff of many things, INCLUDING Souls & Dogma and a couple of others like Shadow of Colossus
>>341581370
> take off your nostalgia goggles.
> for a game only 5 years old.
Look, I know for someone as underaged as you 5 years seems like a long time...
>>341581025
Majors mask 3DS has sold more than any From game though so I don't know about all that anon
>>341581387
The new Zelda doesn't have any challenging enemies. Not from the 6 hours of gameplay we saw
>>341581460
New zelda is a rip off of many things. Dark Souls is not one of them.
>>341574342
Doom is.
>>341581478
>5 year old game isn't old
lmao time to leave 4chinks grandpa
>>341577590
Low level special combos can be spammed in early-mid game, but they lack any serious damage output for later bosses. Why would you ever use them?
>>341575979
>lock on to enemies
Ocarina of Time had that.
>>341581434
I didn't make fun of your way of talking.
>>341574861
>>341574861
The reason Dark Souls was popular was because it was multi platform. If Demons Souls was release on PC i would have definately heard of it and played it
>>341581436
When I tried to force my way through one of their whirlwind attacks, back when I wasn't sure how combat actually worked. Also buffed hordes such as at the top of the undead church. Also torch-wielders.
They did an awful lot with a relatively weak enemy. Weak compared to, say, Silver Knights.
> Silver Knight w/ Gr8 Bow.
>>341581025
Witcher 3 sold 20 MIL in 1 year, Dark Souls is neither influential or growing, they've made twice as many games for not even a tenth of the exposure
>>341581597
Man I hate it when someone on 4chan replies without reading properly
>>341581561
>5 years is a long time.
Confirmed underage.
>>341581698
>5 years isn't a long time
Confirmed loser xD
>>341581532
Nope
http://www.vgchartz.com/game/85055/the-legend-of-zelda-majoras-mask-3d/
>2.27 million
Bloodborne sold around that number
>>341581745
How does it feel to know that for the vast majority of people your existence is barely but a footnote?
>>341581784
>http://www.vgchartz.com/game/85055/the-legend-of-zelda-majoras-mask-3d/
>vgchartz
check out this guy
>>341581647
>brings up Sales
Skyrim/GTA V confirmed most influential games of all time
>>341581816
how does it feel to be a loser permavirgin that's ugly af? :^)
>>341581863
>d-doesn't count
>>341574402
Dark Souls was inspired by Vagrant Story and Berserk not Zelda.
>>341581917
Nice hyperbole. Unfortunately for you my response is actually accurate whereas yours is like the scrabbling of an abductee against a locked door.
>>341581982
vgchartz is notoriously wrong.
>>341581905
They are influential though, to claim Dark Souls is influential but GTA and Elder Scrolls isn't is pure delusion and fantasy.
And yes, TW3 is more influential than any game From will ever develop will ever be.
>>341582053
>hyperbole
You do realize you are stating that it's an overexageration and as thus does have some relevance in the realm of fact right?
>>341582018
love the game, but nah
it has more in common with severance if you're looking for an old inspiration for souls
>>341582107
>>341582161
>anime loser permavirgin confirmed
:^)
>>341582134
I'm male. I don't consider myself especially nice to look at. Mostly because I don't have my head up my ass like that other idiot.
>>341574861
>No one remembers Demon Souls because no one ever played Demon Souls.
t. summer PCuck.
The only reason I, and the majority of /v/ gave a fuck or even noticed Souls was because there were anons making DeS import threads back in the day. A lot of us wouldn't even have known it existed without those threads.
Hell those were downright the absolute best threads I've ever been on in nearly 10 years in this shithole. Sharing tips and secrets, people waiting for their import copies to arrive while hyped, discussing invasions and co-op sessions, learning about Black/White Tendencies.. Good fucking times.
Hell the only reason the fucking series is still alive today is because so many people started importing it to the west, and the Atlus decided to pick it up due to Western demand. The game was a flop in Japan and the series would've died there and then without those importers.
>>341582134
nice hyperbowl
>>341582197
That wasn't me, actually.
Confirmed autist.
>>341582205
But are you a virgin?
>>341582258
:^)
>>341582284
Are you?
>>341582276
ur still a loser permavirgin tho :^)
Dark Souls manages to be a fun game despite being a technical shit show. It's really quite interesting, the addictive nature of the gameplay allows you to force yourself to keep trying just one more time at every challenge, but so many of the challenges are pretty much just shittygame design, that can be overcome as long as you stop caring about the only things the game tells you to care about:
>death
who gives a fuck
>souls/money/exp
too easy to farm, not worth shit once you reach a certain level and only bosses and grind gets you enough for 1 puny worthless level
>fighting shit
they're mostly too dumb to chase you down if you're spatially aware, and most mobs are worth shit all in souls and drops.
Bosses are the only thing the game seems to have going for it, but I don't find them enjoyable, just more trial and error bulldust.
It's going to be interesting to see how this zelda manages currency and barter and shit.
>>341582384
gb2reddit.
>>341582374
I'm not, but to state that that was hyperbole and not false means the permavirgin comment at least has relevance in the sense of you being a virgin.
>>341582421
permavirgins dont call the shots :^)
>>341574523
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pbjO3ThV7c
>>341582450
Your focus on this subject is unnerving, you weirdo.
Implying you aren't a virgin.
>>341582519
confirmed redditor.
>>341582606
previously confirmed permavirgin :^)
>>341574342
Dark Souls influenced maybe 10 games into having a stamina bar. Gears of War is solely to blame for turning nearly every single third person shooter of the previous console generation into a terrible variation of pop-a-mole.
Influence wise, they're not even on the same level.
>>341582542
I'm actually not, its not anything I'm proud of either as she was basically a young whore that I dated for a while. So are you a virgin? It's not like it matters to me, I just want things to be made clear on what you meant.
>>341582658
> underage redditor calling me a virgin.
This post gave me cancer.
>>341574342
Expect dork soils was inspired by Zelda 2,dumbfuck
>>341582112
Elder Scrolls are influential, so are Dark Souls. That's all you see games being compared to these days.
If it has lock on, swords and is difficult then it's called a Souls clone.
>TW3 is more influential
And Fallout 4 is more influential than any game CDPR will ever make.
>>341582692
Actually I already clarified the issue. You just chose to be narrow-minded about it. And it was a choice, I can tell that much.
You ran out of emotes? Not even gonna give you (you)
>>341582532
this looks cool in all honesty, but why all the dislikes?
>>341582805
>And Fallout 4 is more influential than any game CDPR will ever make.
Doubt it. People are looking at TW3 having over 2x as many accolades as FO4 and will no doubt want to duplicate that success.
>influentials, so are Dark Soul
Maybe on Mars in whatever fantasy dreamworld you live in.
>>341582728
>I will never see a vagina: the post
:^)
>>341580525
Please stop posting until you hit the age of 18.
>>341580105
Your opinion on whether something is hard or not is irrelevant. I'm talking about Demon's-DS3 + BB vs. Zelda II.
You kids probably don't realize because you missed this generation by about 15 years, but a lot of NES games were hard as fuck, and Zelda II is one of the hardest.
In Soulsborne games, you usually get a fair shot at enemies, one at a time, numerous checkpoints, generous amounts of recovery items.
How would you like no Estus, and if you die, you go back to Firelink each time, with no option to warp.
The enemies are more numerous in terms of encounters, you can't run by most of them, some have very small windows you can attack in. There's a ton of reasons why Souls games aren't as tough as Zelda II.
The rest of the Zelda games? Not even close in terms of difficulty.
>>341582870
pay2win
no updates
>>341582830
Not really, I've not paid mind to your conversation with the other as its retarded, I've only read your replies to me.
>>341582785
nu-Zulda XD is inspired by Dark Souls you dumbfuck
>>341582969
ah, figures
>>341574342
I think people need to understand the concept of what TvTropes calls "Trope Codifier".
Does anyone remember a game caleld Kill Switch? Or The Getaway? Those games pretty much invented third-person cover-based shooting but because they weren't popular nobody gave a shit. Then Gears of War came out and used the same concept only it's success and popularity made it a turning point in game design. I think the same thing happened with Enemy Territory and class-based multiplayer and probably a lot more cases I don't feel like looking into.
The problem is that as we recently saw in previous gen barrage of dull military shooters the 'follow the leader' attitude means that the game mechanics become stale if used in too many games. I mean at launch Modern Warfare was considered a pretty good game but now after so many years of CoD it appears boring and dated. It's the same thing with "The open-world game" and so on. At least you can argue that Souls combat at least requires some effort to be made well but that only means that most studios probably won't be able to capture it well.
>>341582658
>>341582728
>those post times
obvious samefag is obvious
get a life retard
>>341578598
Yeah but Monster hunter has turned to casual shit, I bet MHX is easier than even dark souls 2
>>341582989
In what way dumbass? Zelda had stamina meters before Souls popularization, and souls didn't even popularize stamina meters. That's the only thing I could think of.
>>341582981
The hyperbolic would be in regards to his evaluation of my ugliness, to which I responded that, well yeah, I'm a guy. Females are far more stimulating of course.
But again, you chose to focus on his viewpoint. Almost like you're letting le underage redditor there dictate the conversation without any actual input of your own.
>>341583024
This is a fair point, there were a lot of innovations that came from something like Splinter Cell that influenced a many other games in the genre; especially MGS and certainly nobody is going to wave a banner about it even though it had way more effect on the industry than many others. (including DS)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-9A0yo-3Zs
>>341583075
Yeah, you tell that underage faggot.
Dark souls has roaming bosses.
>>341583264
I'd rather tell you 'cause you're the permavirgin.Protip: I made that post lmao. You were rused again:^)
>>341582916
>Doubt it.
We are using sales as the benchmark, aren't we?
GoTYs are flawed because the GoTY count increased each year. Last of Us is essentially tied with Witcher 3 and have more GoTYs than any game pre 2010 ever made (Any Zelda, Mario, Nintendo, Final Fantasy, MGS etc etc).
The only consistent measurables are sales and Critical reception.
If it's Sales then Fallout 4 is more revolutionary than anything CDPR will ever make.
If it's critical reception Skyrim/Souls series is more revolutionary than anything CDPR will ever make.
Take your pic :^)
>>341583375
Rusing only works if the other person actually gives a damn.
More evidence of your lack of experience.
>>341582960
I don't see anybody calling Zelda 2 difficult outside of Nintencucks.
Seems to me like some fedora tipping contrarism 101.
>>341583147
No I just have never heard you say anything on being a virgin or not being a virgin. Don't become paranoid over something so simple as was your dick wet for a bit. It's not anything to be ashamed of. Litterally it is 6 am, just answer the question so I can go to bed. You reffered to him as being hyperbolic in a comment that was both an insult to your charm and virgin status, you claimed he was being hyperbolic as thus saying what he had been saying was actually within the realm of fact but sadly an overexageration, so I just want to know, where you unable to use hyperbole well enough here and are actually not a virgin or are you actually a virgin. Don't be so petty as tk keep me up even longer over something as simple and basic as a fuck.
>>341583387
>If it's Sales
Then TW3 has sold 20mil, which is probably 2x more than every game From has ever made added together.
>If it's critical reception
Then TW3 is more influential and revolutionary than anything From has ever done added together.
GOTY's ARE critical reception, dumbass.
>>341574342
You're an idiot.
>>341583467
> a wall of text.
Bored.
>>341583526
>I can't read a paragraph
No wonder you can't use hyperbole correctly. You must be retarded.
>>341583583
It might be 6 am for you but it's 12.00 pm for me and I didn't sleep last night. I can still deal with that other little tit even in my highly suggestible state however.
>>341582112
>TW3 is more influential than any game From will ever develop will ever be.
Name 1 thing Witcher 3 excelled in
>combat
Nope
>story
Generic overarching narrative with nothing worthy of praise
>writing
Solid writing, the highlight but nowhere near the best in the genre
>open world
Typical bloated world with a lack of interesting activities and the same Ubisoft tier checklists
>Dialogue options
More restrictive than Fallout 4
Souls games at least excel in what they set out to achieve.
>No handholding
>Focus on gameplay, bosses and level design (level design that I Would argue is unmatched in its thought/complexity and interconnectivity)
Witcher 3 is literally 2015s Last of Us. It's a cinematic movie that casuals enjoyed and is already dead in the water forgotten.
>>341574605
>started to adopt Dark Souls style
that wrong. first there's no invinciroll vs invisideath hitbox "battles", and second, link isn't locked into slow ass shitty battle animation and only able to do 2 attack per weapon like your shitty soul games.
>>341574402
I thought it was more inspired by Team Ico games and Beserk.
>>341583513
>Then TW3 has sold 20mil
No it hasn't. The entire Witcher franchise has sold 20 million, not Witcher 3.
And if you want to use sales as the benchmark for "revolutionary" then by all means, go ahead. It just means Fallout 4 is one of the GOATs and more revolutionary than Witcher 3
:^)
>>341583387
>TW3 has a higher user score rating than every game pitted against it with 20x the user reviews as buttborne
So TW3 BTFO Fromsoft not only in critical/user reception, but in sales and influence?
You showed them.
>>341583694
I'll just leave it alone then and write you off as schrodingers virgin then because you can't answer a basic question.
>>341582532
This plays nothing like Ds
>>341583513
So Last of Us is essentially the best game ever made?
>Most GoTYs out of any exclusive (over 240)
>2 GoTYs behind Witcher 3 (despite GoTYs increasing in number every year and despite it being exclusive)
>Higher metacritic
Good to know. Sony always wins
>>341583850
I can barely type at this point desu. Insomnia's a bitch. Unfortunately I don't have a girlfriend atm to tire myself out on.
Heh.
>>341583697
We're talking about influence and people have to actually buy a game for it to be influential.
Fact of the matter is: people bought and liked TW3. Nobody buys From games.
Your irrelevant opinions do not change the fact that CDPR has 20x the influence of Fromsoft with half the titles.
This is beside the point however, since CDPR isn't trying to compete with b-list no-name irrelevant franchises that nobody cares about like Dark Souls; they're trying to compete in the market with A-Listers people have heard of.
>>341583824
The metacritic is tied and userscore is irrelevant, anyone can make one and given the salt Bloodborne generated, it's even more irrelevant (pic related).
All that picture shows me is that Witcher 3 is literally the only good game CDPR have made, hahahahah
>>341583725
>Team Ico games
The fuck are you smoking?
Ueda games are all about focusing on the core experience and adding anything that doesn't serve that experience. The games are focused, their vision is clear.
Dark Souls is full of unnecessary stuff and half-assed decisions.
>>341583919
Last of Us is certainly more influential than anything From has ever done; which is the topic of the thread.
I doubt CDPR thought they'd be competing with the financial titans of the industry like Bethesda or Naughty Dog but their reception certainly put them up there from out of nowhere.
>>341583919
He wasn't talking about game quality though. What a shitty gotcha
>>341583946
Gnight senpai.
>>341583985
>We're talking about influence and people have to actually buy a game for it to be influential.
Ok, so Fallout 4 and Skyrim are the most influential RPGs ever made. Skyrim especially seeing as it alone has more sales than the entire Witcher franchise.
Gotcha.
>>341584007
>The fuck are you smoking?
He has said in interviews that he is heavily inspired by Ico.
>>341584001
I mean, if CDPR made Witcher 3 4 more times like From did with Souls, then they'd have more. But CDPR doesn't just rehash
>>341584054
>Last of Us is certainly more influential than anything From has ever done; which is the topic of the thread
Yes, I agree. Fromsoft are shit, don't like their games. It's a niche I don't care for.
I'm just glad that you admit TLoU, Fallout 4 and Skyrim are more influential than anything CDPR will ever make.
>>341584074
Fallout and Skyrim are way more influential than Fromshit. What's your point? That the only comparable terms TW3's sales has is to GTA V and Skyrim?
It's certainly more impressive to be compared to those two titles than From Games to Cities Skylines in terms of sales and reception.
>>341584074
>Ok, so Fallout 4 and Skyrim are the most influential RPGs ever made. Skyrim especially seeing as it alone has more sales than the entire Witcher franchise.
Yes they are unfortunately very influential games
>>341584001
>every sony exclusive 0/10
>every nintendo exclusive 10/10
And then they say that nintoddlers are not the worst.
>>341584194
He thinks infuential=good and that somehow destroys any argument you may have.
>>341584194
see
>>341584186
Yes, I agree. Fromsoft are shit, don't like their games. It's a niche I don't care for.
I'm just glad that you admit TLoU, Fallout 4 and Skyrim are more influential than anything CDPR will ever make.
Based God Todd Howard and Sony always wins
>>341584267
Influential does equal good.
Mario 64, Deus Ex, Baldur's Gate and Zelda OoT are arguably the most influential games of history and all sold shit compared to todays AAA trash.
Assassins Creed, Call of Duty are all mega sellers yet nobody would describe them as revoltuionary.
You're both retarded.
>>341584124
Ah yes probably for the level / world design because they're really similar in their intentions. But he obviously wasn't talking about the core design.
>>341584186
>are more influential than anything CDPR will ever make.
I wouldn't go that far, when Cyberpunk comes out it will have all of the expectations of AAA giant franchises, and CDPR skyrocketed up from obscurity comparable to Fromsoft with 1 title that placed their expectations so high.
Nobody will expect anything more than irrelevant indie-tier rehashed dogshit from the next Souls rehash and I'm glad you can admit that.
>>341584370
Are you retarded? Just because there are good influential games, that doesn't mean all good games are influential, and it also doesn't mean that all influential games are good.
>>341584429
Name a shitty influential game.
>>341584267
>>341584269
The entire discussion is regarding influence, thats what the thread started on. Nobody cares how "good" YOU think something is. Your irrelevant opinion has no merit.
Influence can be quantified in numbers.
>>341584370
Influence is not a matter of wether or not if something is good. To say this would basically say all casualization that was experience from influential casual titles somehow never happened. Influence has to do with INFLUENCE, something isn't popular because it's fucking good in all cases, otherwise angry birds is a fucking masterpiece.
>>341574342
>crediting DaS instead of DeS
>>341584414
>I wouldn't go that far,
I would, especially when Fallout 4 and Skyrim have essentially sold more than the entire Witcher series.
CDPR can't compete and yes, any game that sells poorly is a shit game.
Witcher series is just a shit series, what does it have, 20 million sales? Lmfao, Elder Scrolls/Fallout/GTA are hitting those figures per game.
Souls, Witcher. They're all the same irrelevant garbageI knew you would start getting triggered the moment your own logic got used against you btw, it was only a matter of time: ^)
>>341584470
Bioshock Infinite, Fez, Minecraft, Clash of Clans, Fallout 4
HA! Poser....
>>341584592
>Bioshock Infinite, Fez, Minecraft, Clash of Clans, Fallout 4
Minecraft is legitimately good and refreshing for what it tried to achieve. Autstic fanbase is not =/= Shit game. Same with Fez to a degree.
Explain how Fallout 4, Bioshock Infinite and Clash of CLans are influential. What about their gameplay makes them so.
>>341574342
>DS invented rolling
>>341584414
>Nobody will expect anything more than irrelevant indie-tier rehashed dogshit from the next Souls rehash and I'm glad you can admit that.
And that's all it will be. While it struggles to break 1MIL in sales they'll be 'laughing' if CDPR falls short 5K of breaking GTA CD sales records.(which is obviously still a massive success)
>>341584587
You're really fooling yourself to kowtow Witcher 3 to the level of mediocrity and irrelevance as FromSoft games. Objectively, TW3 has a good reception from millions of people.
From games have no reception or audience at all.
>>341584768
>my shit is less irrelevant than your shit
You're all the same peasants in my eyes.
If it's not Elder Scrolls, Fallout (modern Fallouts), GTA, Assassins Creed, Minecraft or CoD then it's all the same irrelevant shit.
>Witcher 3
>even remotely relevant
LMAO
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>>341584683
>what makes them influential
They influenced other games. that's all it takes. Bioshock infinite popularized the actually shallow and poorly thought out 2deep4u story, Fallout 4 is influencing games by encouraging the empty open world WRPG with NO fucking story, clash of clans popularized the base building shit you see in half of all AAA games.
>>341584852
It has, dumbfuck. It's just Niche.
>>341580913
And ? It should be a good point ?
>>341584852
>You're really fooling yourself to kowtow Witcher 3 to the level of mediocrity and irrelevance as FromSoft games
Fromsoft have what, 13-15 million franchise sales? What's an extra 5 million difference?
It's worthless, Skyrim throws that around per DLC. Stop talking about your irrelevant literal who trash senpai, nobody even knows what a Witcher is.
>>341584917
>Fallout 4 is influencing games by encouraging the empty open world WRPG with NO fucking story
Can you see into the future or something?
>>341584996
It's easy to get that when you put out the same game 4 times in the span of 5 years
>>341574342
Looks like the new Zelda, GOW, and multiple new IPs will play like shit and have poor hit detection. Wonderful.
>>341585045
Okay fine throw out FO4 and replace it FO3. That game was shit too.
>>341585053
Who cares, as long as each of the 4 games is inspiration and sells millions then why would I even bother with irrelevant trash like "Literal who 3 - Wild What?"
>>341584996
>nobody even knows what a Witcher is.
Well including the fact that it has more GOTY awards from cumulative publications than any other game in history, I'd say you're wrong.
Why do Souls fanboys get so triggered by TW3's objective success? You don't have to respect it, but you have to accept it. Anything less is pure delusion and butthurt.
>>341584921
>games with knights and swords are niche
No.
>>341584885
Your butthurt is palpable.
>>341585114
>Fallout 3
>empty open world
Man, what the fuck are you doing. As shitty as FO3 was, the world itself wasn't the problem.
>>341585146
>GoTY
Lel, who cares about GoTY? Last of Us has around the same GoTYs (and a higher metacritic) and it still sold like shit just like the Witcher 3.
Only sales matter retard. That's what makes a game inspirational.
Nobody even knows the Witcher series, it's irrelevant. Only Skyrim matters.
>>341585125
lol are you implying that Dark Souls 2 and 3 are inspired? And I don't give a fuck about Witcher 3. Dark Souls is getting rehashed like a nintendo game.
>>341574523
The Castlevania DS games were released right before demon's souls and have an extremely high amount of gameplay mechanics in common with it.
I would bet on miyazaki having played them while developing demon's souls.
>>341585146
I told you, I already said Fromsoft is shit, just like Witchershit. It's all irrelevant garbage.
If it's not AT LEAST pulling in 20 million sales per game it's not even worth mentioning.
Stick to your "literal who" indie success. I'll be over here playing in revolutionary inspirational games
>>341577926
>publishers aren't developers
>>341585286
>still sold like shit
Dude, what?
TLoU Remastered alone has sold more than every From game combined.
>Being so assravaged you have to lie to yourself and everyone else that 300 GOTY awards is "irrelevant"
lmao
>>341585365
>It's all irrelevant
Except TW3 isn't irrelevant no matter what you tell yourself.
>>341585468
see
>>341585365
Why do you keep bringing up that irrelevant company Fromsoft? They're shit, just like the rest of those irrelevant games that you've mentioned.
>>341585545
>entire series has less sales than Skyrim
It's irrelevant senpai, the only games worth mentioning are
Skyrim
GTA V
GTA IV
Minecraft
Assassins Creeds
Call of Duty
Battlefield
Everything else isn't worth the time, it's just no inspirational enough and is literal who trash
>Witcherfag starts using sales as a reason why his game is "inspirational"
>Some shitposter starts using that logic to make Fallout 4 seem inspirational
>Witcherfag back peddals out of butthurt
Godspeed anon, watching this unfold has been truly glorious.
>>341585587
>irrelevant company Fromsoft
This thread is about whether or not From games are influential, which we've established it isn't.
>They're shit, just like the rest of those
The point of contention is that you have to sift pretty far down in order to find franchises as irrelevant and shit as From games.
Evolve, Road to Hell Retribution, MarioMaker, now those might be comparable to From games.
I'd throw Splatoon on there but Splatoon actually acquired way more affluence than From ever has, so they too are above the level you're discrediting other devs to.
God fucking dammit I hate you Soulsfags so much.
No, Dark Souls did not invent action adventure games.
No, Zelda is not like Dark Souls or vice versa.
No, Dark Souls is not Berserk: The Game.
No, Dark Souls is not especially hard, it is just punishing.
No, Dark Souls does not have very deep lore.
>>341575784
Is that severance?
>>341585875
>>341585682
Yeah, TW3 has to compare to the biggest bangers in the industry in terms of attention, fame, and wealth. I don't know how you say that's a failure.
I doubt they even expected that much success.
>>341585901
>This thread is about whether or not From games are influential, which we've established it isn't.
Yes, I know. So why did you bring up Witcher 3 as an example of a game that is influential when it's irrelevant like the rest of them?
Witcher 3 is essentially what, Sonic Boom tier? It's just not even worth mentioning m8
miss the old cube world combat
https://youtu.be/CQINAniWHVc?t=52
>>341586082
>witcher 3 is essentially the level of a game that didn't sell 1/40th of what it did
Uh, what?
>>341586032
>TW3 has to compare to the biggest bangers in the industry in terms of attention
Except it doesn't compare. Skyrim sold more than the entire Witcher series in a matter of months
>>341586158
Sonic boom sold pretty much as much as Witcher 3, give or take 10 million sales
Like I said, it's all irrelevant trash
>>341586182
>Except it doesn't compare
Except it does, you're literally the one comparing TW3 to it.
>>341586242
>give or take 10 million sales
lol
>>341586302
>Except it does, you're literally the one comparing TW3 to it.
Just like I comparing Sonic Boom to Witcher 3?
>>341586414
>>give or take 10 million sales
Its a retarded comparison and you acknowledge that
>>341586465
So is Skyrim being compared to Witcher 3 and I acknowledge that.
CDPR ain't on based God Todds level nor will they ever be
>>341586519
>So is Skyrim being compared to Witcher 3 and I acknowledge that.
You're right, TW3 has more accolades than Skyrim does.
>>341574342
I think the stamina bar + dodge button will end up being the most adapted feature from souls games. (even though they didn't invent it)
As for the rest of the souls gameplay most developers wouldn't be interested in taking from it.
>>341586519
>CDPR ain't on based God Todds level
Todd hasn't made a thing in the last decade better than just the Hearts of Stone DLC and their new Nuka World F4 DLC will not be it.
>>341586585
>Accolades
Irrelevant. Only sales matter senpai, you said so yourself.
Who cares if the game is good or respected if it doesn't sell shit? Witcher 3 doesn't sell shit compared to Skyrim, it's not even worth talking about tbqh
>>341586082
>Sonic boom is as good as witcher 3
ya got me
>>341586713
>you said so yourself.
Show me where I said that.
I said that reception as well as sales are important and pointed to both as the objective undeniable success of TW3.
And now you're lying you're so angry at the truth. Like who gets mad at facts as much as you are right now?
>>341586876
>Witcher 3 sold 20 MIL in 1 year, Dark Souls is neither influential or growing, they've made twice as many games for not even a tenth of the exposure
You never mentioned critical reception or anything when describing why Dark Souls wasn't Influential.
Good thing Skyrim has both
>Witcher 3
>not even half of Skyrims sales
AYY LMAO
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>>341582018
Gameplay wise retard, DaS aesthetic comes from Berserk.
>>341575268
You really have no clue what you're talking about. You're completely out of touch with the gaming scene at large.
Demon's Souls released in Japan with full English text. Importers imported and loved it, made a ton of threads here. Then it got announced and released in the west, and Europe.
A LOT of people bought and played Demons Souls. It became a Greatest Hit, not because Sony felt like it, but because it sold well. Later it was free on PS+, well after Dark Souls' release iirc.
The negative reactions were to the difficulty, which we know is not that hard now, but felt tough then , and is the reason people enjoy the game.
>listening to reviews and citing them as your experience with the game
End this. If you didn't play it back them because you didn't know about it, because there wasn't a commercial of it in between your Saturday morning cartoons, then shut the fuck up.
>>341587252
>You never mentioned critical reception or anything when describing why Dark Souls wasn't Influential.
There is no critical reception of BB to denote any success, meanwhile TW3 is being held alongside Skyrim as a metric for just how successful it is.
LOL
>>341587501
>Held alongside Skyrim as a metric
>not even 50% of its sales
>Skyrim ALONE has more sales than the entire Witcher franchise
>alongside
>>341587739
>Compares TW3's success to Skyrim
>Says TW3's success to Skyrim is incomparable
Meanwhile everyone has forgotten DS exists again.
>>341574342
>Dark Souls came before Demon's Souls.
I haven't been on /v/ in years and thanks to you I remember why.
Fucking dasfags. It was an alright game but it only really inspired one game(that i know of): lords of the fallen, and that was crud from what I heard.
Whatever, I've come to realize I'll never stop hearing about this shit , just like stalker.
>>341588074
So has that guy and you keep bringing DS up. Your asshurt is showing. You've lost. Let it go.
>>341587739
Yes because doom and hl1 have tons of sales compared to cowwadooty.
>>341589237
>you keep bringing up the game from the OP which the thread is about therefor you are wrong
lol. pathetic
>>341589895
yeah it is. it's why I think he should quit.
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