Does anyone else feel the combat looks/feels... Stiff?
It looks like attacks take too long to come out of. Or too look to deliver. Also, that GTA V rag doll when hit thing needs to go.
Hopefully most of these things will be worked on before released.
>that GTA V rag doll when hit thing needs to go.
no
>>341561169
It looks very clunky and the ragdolling looks and feels incredibly out of place.
>>341561607
agreed
>>341561607
>>341562120
I think it looks fine
Regarding the slow part, it might be because he is using a heavy attack, or maybe it's the stream?
I really don't know, but I think it looks okay
I don't see why rag doll is a problem though.
>>341561510
Yeah but I imagine after about 10 hours out of the hundreds of hours of this game, it will start to get incredibly annoying.
>>341561607
It's a step above previous Zelda game combat
>>341562254
It didn't get annoying in GTA
>>341562252
The combat looks like when you swing your sword or other heavy swords, you're vulnerable and standing still for about 1 to 2 seconds, which can be incredibly annoying.
>>341561169
It looks the same if not a little smoother than any other recent console Zelda's combat.
>>341561510
>Takes 2 and a half hearts of damage from your own bomb.
They did it didn't they, the finally went back to when you could actually die easily in Zelda.
>>341562453
GTA is kind of a different kind of game.
Though I probably wouldn't care desu, the game still looks amazing and fun as hell.
>>341562453
I thought it was kind of annoying how they threw away bicycles and other less common vehicles, most of the guns, those nice FAST cars with good driving mechanics, etc. in exchange for ragdoll physics and a pretentious story. Wasn't worth the tradeoff.
>>341562254
so you want canned animations?
go away
>>341562835
no I want it to be better.
>>341562701
some enemies can hit for like 5 hearts
>>341562701
The bomb is 1 1/2, he extra heart is from sliding off the cliff I believe.
>>341562757
The story wasnt pretentious at all, it was just rushed and shitty.
>>341561169
Was the "...stiff" necessary faggot? You're typing not talking. Unless you're moviebob.
>>341562940
You got a suggestion then?
because you really only have 2 options
Honestly I love ragdoll physics. They're almost always fun to watch.
>>341562701
I don't think the bomb actually does that much damage. Watching it closely, it seems like you take some damage when rolling down a hill after being hitwhich is pretty fucking cool.
>>341562950
Is there like some leveling system being worked on? Or something like that? Because I imagine enemies aren't supposed to be THAT tough.
>>341563023
I thought they tried way too hard on it and they clearly thought it was the next great "gangster" story. You can just tell, Rockstar thought this was on par with The Godfather or Scarface. I thought the stories of GTA 3, VC, and SA were enough.
>>341563243
Probably just the hearts are upgradable like in other Zeldas. Armors do have stats now too so that'll mitigate damage. You can also cook to make food that gives you extra temporary hearts
>>341563619
Oh, that's probably the best way to do it for a Zelda game.
They probably didn't want to add a leveling system because it's Zelda.
>>341561169
>>341561607
The ragdoll is the results of the game focuses on physics in general for puzzle solving
It's what's making Zelda be about solving shit any way you want
>>341563243
Hearts. Also you can get temp hearts from food I think, watch the yellow hearts in the webm as the dude gets BTFO
>>341561169
>Bokoblins are still wearing thongs
And yet, I don't find them as offensive as the their Skyward Sword designs.
>>341563797
I legitimately laughed my fucking ass off to this
Thanks anon.
>>341563883
It's because they're cute and dopey, not ugly and retarded.
The combat and the ragdoll looked fine to me, but that's just my opinion. But the ragdoll I'm fine with mostly because seeing you're main character die in a way like that always motivates me to try and not die as often, especially in a light hearted game like Zelda. Or it will make me want to die more to see Link's naked corpse be dragged down a mountain
>>341563797
I believe Chiko was playing at that time. The Asian lady with the cute accent.
>>341563883
They modified the SS Bokoblin to look a tad meaner. They're almost bat-like. Which lends credence to the leak. Because the leaker called it.
>>341564260
Which leak?
There was a leak claiming the game would have a heavy combat focus inspired by Souls games, when combat is essentially the same as any other Zelda.
Combat looks better than it's ever been imo
>>341564431
I don't really believe the leak. But here it is.
http://pastebin.com/2fFL6yPa
>common mobs look like a bat and goblin hybrid of various colors and types
Imagine being able to freeze the bouncing fireball, pound it and then watch it fly spreading death through the land.
>>341561169
It doesn't seem that different from prior 3D Zeldas, aside from the rush mechanic. But even if it is stiff, I don't see how that's necessarily a bad thing.
>>341564671
Wait wait wait..
You can fucking throw weapons?
>>341561169
The animations are weak. They need to add more snap, especially that round slash, which just looks dumb.
>>341565342
Yes. In >>341563797 Link threw his axe at the guardian then picked it up with the magnet to damage it.
>>341564671
>He threw the fucking weapon
>>>>"Your Boko club Broke"
That's fucking hilarious
>>341562701
As long as it's more challenging than the piss easy shit from TP and retardedly easy mode from SS.
>>341564671
It looks great butSkyward Swordhad 10/10 combat.
>>341562561
>The combat looks like when you swing your sword or other heavy swords, you're vulnerable and standing still for about 1 to 2 seconds, which can be incredibly annoying.
Sounds like Monster Hunter
I think this can add more strategy and "weight" and immersion to it.
>>341567468
I'm with you, how is this a bad thing.
>>341567468
The game has a lot of Monster Hunter feelings. Right down to what cooking looks like.
Just want to know how all the armor and weapons look like.
In any case I'm excited as all fuck. And I'm shocked by that.
>>341565502
I'm digging all of the combat options there seem to be. I'm actually getting cautiously optimistic for this game.
Can somebody post the webm of the people play testing it live, but it has terrible object distance pop-ins?
Why is the world map so big? It's fucking enormous. If I wanted to get lost and find shit for hours on end I'd clean my garage
>>341568367
XCX had it. Guess there's no getting around it on the Wii U. Pop-ins don't effect me that much as long as it's not enemies right in my face.
>>341568587
Texture pop-ins and things like that are usually a consequence of the disc spinning. So yeah, get a digitial copy if you really want to avoid that
>>341564871
>http://pastebin.com/2fFL6yPa
that leak is so wrong it fucking hurts
>>341568863
No, In XCX, travel in your mech was so fast that if you were in town there was 0 hope of the game keeping up regardless of if you had the disc or digital version.
There probably won't be a vehicle in this game that's THAT big of a movement upgrade though
>>341561169
Combat looks effortless.
More Webm or video to combat?
>>341564671
yay, they made zelda look like a shitty MMO.
Congrats nintendo. You finally did it.
>>341568863
>a consequence of the disc spinning
>>341561169
Ragdoll physics ar the best annon. Every game should have that. Its funny as fuck. And as for the combat, yes its boring... i dont think nintendo will fix it because they dont want you to spam your enemies with attacks.
>>341565121
>Fire rod discovered in random low level hut
I don't like this.
>>341570313
Guess what that fire rod will break,expect to find a bunch of fire rods
>>341561510
>That Bomberman 64-esque explosion
>>341561510
>that fucking sudden stop as if he hit a wall
What a shit company.
>>341570313
They also removed towns and NPC's for the E3 demo, and Treehouse always started off with weapons and the glider, which won't happen in game. I bet it's just there to give you the ability to find and play with it for the demo
>>341565121
If they put the hyrule warriors fire rod in this game I will personally fly to japan to suck aonuma's tiny yerrow dick
>>341561169
How to fix BoTW:
The food you eat no longers heals your instantly but over time.
>>341574084
Opening the menu doesn't pause the game
>>341561169
Played it at e3, it was slower and awkward. The controls are just very different from other Zelda games, so it took a little whIle to get a feel for it. Throwing your weapon is awesome, especially because if you break it on a throw you deal 3x damage.
>>341562746
>GTA is kind of a different kind of game.
Yes, and?
>>341562757
gtav has bicycles
>>341570019
No MMORPG has combat like this.
>>341568963
It sounded good
What we got now is surprisingly great though
>>341565502
>axe
oh thats what that was
i want to try move a boulder between you and the serntry to see if it stops tracking you or if it shoots and the laser blows up in its face
>>341575315
That's exactly what happens when you do that.
If it's before it fires, it stops tracking you. If it's right as it does it, the boulder intercepts the beam.
>>341561510
Fuck man, I'm a sonyfag and was kinda shitting on this in favor of horizon, but this looks pretty fun.
It pisses me off that Nintendo is the only one that makes actual games now.
>>341561510
This looks amazing. It reminds me of the MGS4 ragdoll physics when you get hit hard, but it actually has weight... and fall damage holy shit!
>>341576952
To be fair man, this is the ONLY game Nintendo has coming out that is worth any damn. It's also the first in a streak of mediocre Zelda games. This is why we're all hyped for it.
The last good game the WiiU got was Splatoon, over a year ago.
We don't have anything else, but at least the ONE good game we have looks amazing.
>>341577226
Smash 4, Mario Maker, Xenoblade X, and Woolly World were all very good.
>>341561169
Yeah, it's stiff alright.
Honestly, most of the animations could use some major polish in this game. The physics as well.
Doing such would probably improve the combat and the presentation of the game by a long shot.
>>341566826
My nigga.
Wish they kept SS combat and added more depth to it. But I guess you fags dont like to move your arms at all because
>hurrdurr gimmicks
>>341577226
I actually used to always like both sony and nintendo, but they turned me off at a certain point with their business practices.
Now all sony makes is realistic, cinematic shit because that's really all their audience will allow.
>>341570019
the MMO that has this type of combat, show it to me so I may play it
>>341577701
Smash4 came out before Splatoon.
I didn't like Mario Maker all that much desu.
I regret buying the disappointing shitstain that was XCX. The game is shallow as fuck.
I didn't play Woolly World, so I have no opinion.
>>341566826
Correction. Skyward Sword WOULD HAVE HAD 10/10 combat if you didn't always have to wave your arms around like a fucking orangutan.
>No rag doll
NO
>>341577808
SS had the worst combat. I was dumbed down into Simon Says. The Combat in TP is hands down the best in the series, but the enemies are all pushovers so it never shines. WW and TP had the best combat, a combination of the two would be the best.
SS was tedious at best when it actually worked. TP and WW actually saw me having FUN during combat. Especially with how WW allowed for items to be easily integrated into fighting and you could seamlessly go from boomerang, to sword, to hookshot, etc...
Thank god BotW seems to take the same cues.
>>341578316
>The game is shallow as fuck.
You can't be serious.
Most people complain about the mechanical systems in gearing and combat are overly complex.
>>341561169
It feels just like the Wind Waker, i.e. perfect.
>>341565342
nice reddit post
>>341578753
Except the points of interest are actually different from each other and combat isn't just a wait-till-you-see-the-big-flashing-"A"-fest of counterattack spam.
So... better
>>341564671
Fuck. I hate healthbars on mobs. Can they at least take those away.
>>341578508
Complex =/= deep
You had a fuckton of shit to choose from, but most of it was completely inconsequential. A lot of teammates, but most were boring humans, and it ultimately didn't matter who you chose, since party set up meant fuck all.
Lots of equipment and weapons, but it all came down to choosing the equipment that has the best stats. and suits the abilities you wanted to use.
I'll admit that the foot combat was good, better than XC in fact, though it also sucked that the party members were useless now. However, then mechas came in and totally shit on that.
The world was MASSIVE, but it was incredibly shallow. No neat secrets to discover, no hidden lore. or secret villages. No story behind anything. It was just a massive set piece with enemies scattered around. You run, you kill shit, you arrive to your arrow marking and place a new probe. Repeat again and again and again. There was NO reward for exploring. In a game about exploration, the entire story was segmented into chapters. So it didn't matter if you found part of the Lifehold early on, it meant fuck ALL till the story dictated you go there. Your interaction with the environment was also lame as fuck. You simply pressed A, and got some text. That's it. You couldn't really DO anything anywhere. Which is a problem the first XC also suffers from as well.
Not only that, but the immersive factor of "exploring an alien planet" was ruined by its atmosphere, especially when the multiplayer component littered the planet with avatars of other players everywhere. How am I exploring new land if there's an outpost and a french dude waving at me right fucking there?
Not only that, but discovery meant fuck all. If I see an new alien or a new location that looks interesting, I can't learn ANYTHING about it. The environment doesn't speak to me, there's not story being told, it just looks pretty.
At the very least a scan visor like in Metroid woulda been good.
>>341579149
Again, Massive world, but super shallow, and it's always better to be deep than wide.
XCX gets a 3/10 from me. First game was MILES better.
>>341562757
so you don't want ragdoll physics in zelda, because there were no bikes in gta4.
>nintentard logic
>>341561607
>"it looks clunky"
>smooth animations and movements that are literally no different than any other Zelda with razor edge hitboxes
Okay. Also how the fuck are you guys hating on the ragdoll physics? Would you rather he just flash red and stand there? How boring would you like your Zelda?
>>341579616
Remember, they have to find a flaw in every single thing. It's not okay if Nintendo does it.
Here is a little something that I havn't seen anyone mention
>you can knock the limbs and shit off of skeleton enemies
>they can then pick up each others limbs and heads to replace their lost ones instead of picking up their original ones
>if you knock the arm off of one an other one can pick up up as a weapon
the combat is going to be great if most other enemies have shit like that but the skellys have become my personal favourite just because of that
>>341561169
im mad that the horizontal slashes look like link extends his arm straight out and does a half circle with it, and that vertical slashes seem to be gone completely
>>341579215
>calling Xenoblade X XCX
I see you fell for the SJW treehouse feminist propaganda
>>341561169
This Link doesn't seem to have any martial training, or much experience. He has the reflexes and athletic ability of a hero, but not the combat experience, seemingly.
I imagine the old man or someone will teach Link more complicated attacks than "swing left and right," and some special attacks like in Twilight Princess.
>>341562254
Don't get hit then.
>>341579930
TP Link is a damn good swordsman compared to all the others.
>>341561169
Never ever you cuck
>>341579921
The game is called Xenoblade Chronicles X.
Are you ok anon?
>>341565121
Muh dick.
God I love how fire works and looks in this game.
>>341579930
>>341580070
One of TP's biggest missed opportunities was giving out an actual repertoire of combat maneuvers and never really utilizing them.
If this game can pull that off it would easily become my favorite Zelda, and the obvious variety of weapons has me optimistic.
>>341580141
He's probably going off on how the "Chronicle" part of the title is only in the localized version, but that's because of NoE, not NoA, so the Treehouse part is just moronic.
>>341579149
>Complex =/= deep
this can be said to your verbal diarrhea that can be summed to "muh muh" without flesh or actual points that aren't your tiny irrelevant feelings.
>>341580240
fire rod fun desu
>>341578809
spin to win confirmed
>>341579846
the bokoblin can pick up explosive barrels and trow them at you, and if they lose their weapons or you are too far they throw rocks at you.
Also if animals enter their territory they chase them, kill them and eat their meat
>>341580252
>really utilizing them.
Hey, there were Darknuts, and... Darknuts
>>341578809
That looks so satisfying.
>>341561510
Wow. Get fucked. Did they lose more health due to the ragdolling?
>>341580316
I'm hard.
>>341580379
Indeed. I think it's a fine as fuck mechanic.
More webms you fucks
>>341578809
That's a good trick.
>>341580293
>addressing tone rather than the central point
The truth hurts anon. I'm not gonna write a review. Don't feel bad that other people don't enjoy your shitty game.
>>341580583
Uhh...that's all I got. Gotta dig
>>341561510
Fuck
that looks nice but i'm not gonna get a fucking Pee Eww to play one game. I guess I'll just have to wait for the NX
>>341580316
This, this game is good.
>>341580629
>central point
>it's just your deliberately biased opinion stated as the words of god
I addressed it, you don't like it, that's it
>>341580815
>>341580450
What if the physics fuck you over and make you do more turns or fall further than you normally would, and takes a ton more HP?
>>341580824
You didn't address shit. You're just butthurt that people don't like your game and are falling back on saying "hurr your opinions."
Motherfucker, you asked for my opinions. XCX is trash. Get over it. And either develop better taste, or enjoy your shitty game in peace, and learn to develop some balls and not get so assblasted every time someone mentions they dislike something you like.
Now fuck off to your reddit hugbox you fucking queer.
>>341580815
god damn i am HARD
NX WHEN
>>341580961
And that sounds fucking fantastic!
>>341578809
we monster hunter now
battles are more dynamic than /v/ usual soul clones. I just wonder how bossfigts works with such breakable weaponry. Hope there's some sort of "weapon generation" in the room, but I don't want "the boss is just a puzzle" kind of thing
>>341580961
What if the enemy fucks you over and lands more hits than it normally would, and takes a ton more HP?
>>341568164
DUDE
Imagine doing a spin attack while shield boarding.
>>341580961
Play so that you're the one knocking enemies off ledges instead of getting knocked off ledges.
This game looks so fucking good.
How do they expect to get away with this?
>>341581256
They sacrificed Iwatas soul for this.
>>341581171
Only "boss" they've shown game play for so far is just on the overworld, so leaving to restock isn't gonna be a problem.
Probably resets its health though
>>341580583
Real boy adventure with your wolf self!
>>341581252
>>341581214
You know what I mean. Physics are rarely reliable and prone to bugging out and screwing you. You might slide off the ledge in one scenario and die from fall damage when any other 3 times you wouldn't
>>341574465
Oh shit. That's it. That was the missing piece.
Zelda is now a real man's children's video game now.
Anyone else getting more and more hype with each bit of footage? There's just so many possibilities this time around. Aonuma did a good job.
>>341581404
Might play some Toilet Paper today. This Zelda shit is getting me hyped. Might as well get some more heart pieces while I wait.
>>341564671
i'm so glad there's basic combos now but god the animations look like shit. he literally squats down and leans left and right while holding his arm completely straight and swinging it
...dis gon b a gud game
>>341581284
>>341581284
That was cute as fuck. So much details oh my god.
>>341581707
Gotta love the small things...
>>341580316
>not using the paraglider to make use of the uplift caused by the fire
>>341565342
WW did it first.
>>341581878
What if you didn't play Twilight Princess HD? Are you missing out on the companion?
That's ridiculous
>>341581878
>>341581404
I'd better be able to pet that cute motherfucker.
>>341580070
Of course he was, he was trained by a 100+ years old Link
>>341581984
>>341561510
That ragdoll has no fucking weight.
>>341570313
Might be just for the demo and/or the rod can break, meaning you can find more than one.
>>341582146
It could learn a thing or two from your mom.
>>341582146
damn, is this wolfenstein? Looks nice
>>341582173
Rod breaks, and easily. Apparently, old Zelda items will be plentiful, but have very low durability. Maybe you'll get the relics of old late in the game, that don't break. Like the Hylian shield, Master Sword, Hero's bow, etc.
Will they let us not wear the green tunic once we get it?
>>341579149
>XCX
>no lore
>no rewards for exploration
What the fuck am I reading? There's a lot of lore. Go read all the entries on the enemies and those random random pick ups you find, and do your side quests especially the ones involving alien species. You also get rewarded consistently for exploring. Exploring and putting probes directly gets you money, and you get loot from scattered fauna, wreckage, and artifacts.
>>341581984
This game has baseball too? lol wut?
I really want to see a fight during a thunderstorm.
>>341581404
I just hope the game offer non amiibo base companion. Maybe just a regular dog, or a fairy.
>>341581984
dang this is great.
>>341582316
Yeah, that is what I'm assuming they're going for, with said relics not being as powerful as the items that can break but has the upside of not breaking. Possibly able to be upgraded too.
Why is that every time someone uses a bomb, they get hit by the explosion? Are these people all stupid? Do they not realize that explosions hurt?
>>341561169
>Does anyone else feel the combat looks/feels... Stiff?
no, you are not using enough shield boarding
>>341582146
neither have yours. They just die with even less kinetic impact.
>>341582323
I don't see why not. We've seen more than a few outfits already. Hell aonuma already confirmed you can literally head to the final boss in your underwear right from the start if you want..
>>341580815
>"IT'S SCRIPTED!" Shrieks the shitposters
>>341582428
They're not used to explosions being accompanied by a shockwave.
>>341582428
Maybe they just like ragdoll physics.
>>341582428
They don't take the blastwave into account so they get thrown by the force of the explosion
>>341580961
then better git gud and plan well
>>341580678
>The temperature gauge just bursts into flames
This fucking game.
>>341582035
Honestly, I'd gladly pick up a copy of TPHD now and the Wolf Link Amiibo just to be able to play with the companion.
In fact, it might even be a good way to build hype for this..
>>341581404
>Link can go adventuring with his own fursona
So this is what Aonuma meant when he said Zelda U "might make people want to play through TP again"
>>341582714
>>The temperature gauge just bursts into flame
fuck I just realised something
If you need to wear warm clothes when travelling in the snowy areas.
Than in a hot area like Death mountain you might have to take off your clothes or something to avoid overheating
>>341580815
PAUL BUNYAN FAILS HIS LAST LOG
RETIREMENT IMMINENT
NEWS AT 11
>>341582763
He's so cute.....and much bigger than I remember.
>>341581984
I would love it if you could strike the rock without hitting the enemies and accidentally start a friendly game of hitball
>>341582639
what sorcery is this that explosions in a game have blastwaves that can kill you
>>341582963
>literally have to strip to stay alive
>>341583108
wouldn't the more elite enemies have better AI
>>341561169
>souls babbies complaining about proper hitstun on player character
Lel play a real ARPG faggots
>YOU CAN SET GRASS ON FIRE! SO UNIQUE AND NEW
Holy shit, Nintendo fans are so easy to impress. This is a joke when it comes to other open world games. The world is hilariously barren as well.
mfw all the shitposters btfo aftere these videos
>>341564671
>>341578809
>>341580316
>>341580678
>>341580815
>>341581058
>>341581284
>>341581404
>>341581984
>>341571782
it's a sheikah bomb though
I guarantee there will be normal bombs and if you've seen the fire animation it looks good
![sz1-214x300[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/EcCOeQQ.png "sz1-214x300[1].png")
>>341582963
>>341583223
Really, the reverse. Link would should be wearing more, to better cover from the sun.Though maybe they'll include a Gerudo Warrior's pants and top just for you guys.
>>341583510
I wonder can link get a tan from taking in too much sun. His skin turns all red when he shivers.
>>341582338
Bro, you need to play more Open World games if you believe any of that was properly executed.
Hell, just compare it to the last game, where the joy of exploration was IN the exploration, and the discovery of the little things. XCX, rather than move forward, seems like it took a step backward by removing the landmarks and replacing them with probe sites, and no longer making you fully fill up the map by walking.
The game is just fundamentally designed very poorly. The joy of exploration SHOULD be in the exploration itself. In that sense of wonderment and discovery. Not because you have loot box number 1649 over here and it gives you a new tanktop that slightly boosts your stats and makes your waifu's cleavage stick out. Or because you see a probe node marked on your map and you're heading to it to gain more resources.
It's an alien planet, you should make me wanna explore.
Compare that to the last game, where exploration was a blank as fuck empty map, and a bunch of shit around you. You merely look around, and you see interesting stuff that makes you wanna discover. You arrive, and are rewarded with exp and a "Landmark Discovered" getting to know a bit about it. Then you find NPCs which breathe a bit more life into the world.
XCX had none of that because it focused too much on the humans, and their struggle for survival, and rather than expand the exploration elements established by XC by giving us secrets and hidden records ala Metroid Prime, it took a step back and streamlined the exploration. Sure, the world looked pretty, but it had no life. All the interesting shit I saw felt more like a Disney attraction meant for me to oogle at, and a living, breathing part of the world.
Guys...what if we could be able to use this to traverse the land? It even comes with a gilder already tooI know it will never happen but let's dream
>>341561169
Haven't played that shit, but nothing will feel more stiff than a fucking Souls game. Sorry FROMdrones.
>>341583391
>The world is hilariously barren as well.
>Literally 100 shrines in addition to the normal dungeons
>weapons and armors fucking everywhere
>>341583097
I wonder if Zelda can ride him...
>>341581984
>yfw the Ganondorf battle will be a baseball showdown
my body is ready
>>341583704
No, that and some Hyrule Warriors equipment would be cool as post game unlocks. It won't happen, but it'd be cool.
>>341561169
Can't wait to get it on the NX. Already saved up for it.
>>341583097
Midna is actually pretty huge
>>341583704
That's a stupid idea, and you should feel bad for thinking it up.
>>341583223
just imagine link exploring Death mountain and casually taking off his shirt because he is getting all hot and sweaty from being too close to the lava
>>341583510
heat from the desert sun is a different type of heat from being too close to something like lava or even a heat of a tropical jungle
>>341582035
From the footage, it just looks like a crutch for scrubs. Like an easy mode
>>341583510
>cover from the sun.
>death mountain
>>341583704
Maybe something more similar to this
>>341583787
can fuck him
>>341563243
>>341562950
>>341562701
You know there's armor in this, right? This is damage taken in clothes scavenged from the starting area. I'd expect the usual reverse difficulty curve that most games with RPG elements have.
>>341578809
>Bloodborne Hunter's Axe charge attack
YES
>>341583879
>>341583891
I didn't notice the Death Mountain part. I was just remembering the desert visible in the trailer when I posted thatYou guys can still have those Gerudo Warrior genie pants and tube top if you want
>>341561169
>... Stiff?
What's with this? The days earlier there were also these "isn't it... dumb?" posts in Zelda threads. Is this the same person?
>>341584159
Actually, by stiff he means he got an erection or he's implying the combat is very arousing.
>>341584053
But I also suspect that enemies in areas radially futher than the starting area will also be a lot stronger and a lot more difficult to compensate. Likewise, it's also likely that in game events by completing dungeons and such will raise the overall strength of all the enemies in game.
Or so I hope. But that's what the first Zelda did, so this one might too. Also, here's to hoping they add in a Master Quest a la OoT and LoZ.
Bonus points if it gives you the option to play as a different character, like say... Zelda, and she has different abilities available than Link.
>>341581984
concept is solid execution lousy
Is rolling and back flipping gone?
>>341584438
No, they've already shown it's ingame.
>>341584438
nope, check out >>341568164
>>341584053
>Hard Mode: Only use the weakest clothes available.
>Hero Mode: No armor at all, and only using the weakest weapons available.
The game is gonna be as hard as you want it to be, then.
>>341584501
>>341584498
That was forward flipping onto the sheild.
i meant back flipping that was Z/L ↓ A in all the other 3D games.
>>341583830
I actually really dig this.
>>341584518
Can't wait to do naked deku stick runs.
Also, deepest lore
>lore in item descriptions
fucking dark souls
>>341584821
You're right that backflipping isn't in that webm, but it is still in the game. Dodging at just the right moment also lets you do a special rush attack. I don't think rolling is in, but you can jump and sprint now.
>>341561169
>combat in a zelda game
>stiff
Holy shit, really?
Nobody could have seen this coming!
>>341561169
well duh it's an image
>>341584952
your're mum sure didn't
>>341584846
>dark souls
Uhh...early zelda's have done this too you know.
>>341561169
>needs to go
fuck no. ragdoll physics are a blast. pull the deku stick out of your ass. and yes, the game looks "jerky". it's part of the cartoony charm. get over it.
>>341561169
>>341584846
Aonuma talked heavily about how Skyrim was a big influence, but that's been years now.
I have a feeling he played Demon's and Dark and got his mind blown.
There's no fucking coincidence. All they need now is to announce some kind of invasion/coop system.
>Aonuma was playing DaS for a time on PS3
>You probably greif'd him during his playthrough
topjej
>>341585385
It seems much more like Dragon's Dogma than Souls
>>341585385
I think Miyamoto stepped in, slapped his shit, and said we're going back to the roots of the series.
They kind of had an entire presentation on the "NES connection"
>>341561510
A lot of the little physics stuff in the game look fun, but also pretty wonky. Everything looks greased up with butter in motion and the ground doesn't seem to do anything to really help slow you down, but then Link just stops flat for no reason.
There's also the webm that shows Link cutting down a tree and just the smallest tap causes it to start slipping and sliding because it has zero grip on the dirt and grass it fell onto.
Anything that just slides around like nothing on rough surfaces like this just looks off-putting and can easily get annoying since they're not hitting the effect they're trying to portray.
>>341561169
>It looks like attacks take too long to come out of. Or too look to deliver.
Since the game can be finished quickly, lengthening it seems to be a plus.
>>341584389
>But I also suspect that enemies in areas radially futher than the starting area will also be a lot stronger and a lot more difficult to compensate.
That's always the theory, but it never actually works out like that because people who don't find all of the sidequests and upgrades and so forth still have to be able to clear the game. Reverse difficulty curves happen in systems like this 99% of the time, and what we've seen here definitely has the hallmarks of it. Early game with three hearts you'll die in a single hit for going off the beaten path, but when you start getting more combat options and the world starts opening up, it'll do so exponentially.
>>341584518
>Hero Mode: No armor at all, and only using the weakest weapons available.
It sure will feel truly heroic spending half an hour hitting every end-game enemy 5000 times for one damage a hit.
It sounds good on paper, but this simply doesn't work for games with heavy numerically scaled stats. It was playable in previous games because of how "chunky" upgrades were, so the weakest sword was still only a few times weaker than the strongest, but with a full RPG stat system it falls apart as a serious approach to difficulty scaling for anything other than gimmick runs to put on Youtube. It's also lame to have to restrict yourself to be challenged, rather than the game pushing you to find every edge you possibly can or face defeat.
>>341585748
Anyone who can't see the obvious inspiration from the first game is fucking blind.
>>341586009
>but with a full RPG stat system it falls apart as a serious approach
This is from the same company that made the Paper Mario series, which is kind of known for keeping reasonably low stats values through out the entirety of the game.
Like, single digit damage is still useful at the end of the game.
>>341586009
Who cares if its lame when it's necessary? Zelda games haven't been genuinely difficult, in terms of combat, since AoL.
Which everyone hates because they are pussy fagets.
>>341585959
it's wrong though. Journos rewrote "objective" with "defeat ganon", but the turh is the tuto area alone MUST be completed to get the glider before you can even leave it. The story is clearly linear and must be done step by step. or "objective by objective" like they said themselves. Like Oblivion
>>341580070
Skyward swords link is a juggernaut though. Athletic as fuck, can run up walls, slice as quick as Raiden in blade mode and shoot energy chakrams out of his sword.
>>341561169
Never been a Zelda fan really, but I like how this new one seems to be turning out. Looks really cool.
Also yes it looks stiff. That's like, a trademark of 3D Zelda games for whatever reason though. I don't really mind it, and a certain stiffness has been always present so it's not unexpected.
>>341586101
As long as I don't have to bomb random, completely normal-looking walls and floors, I'm gold.
>>341586295
Do you even understand the conversation? TP's skills with a sword were brought up because they are hoping we learn some combat techniques in this game. It wasn't a "which Link is strongest" argument.
For being able to move the sword freely in SS, you really could just cut in directions. TP had the most combat techniques, even if it barely used them.
>>341586404
We saw at least one bombable wall, and it seemed pretty obviously marked.
>>341584518
This is a pretty boring way of doing it. Ive run my fair share of low heart, no shields run i previous Zeldas, but I always disliked how it takes out some exploration from the game. Finishing the game with a pitchfork and dressed in a potato sack might be hard, but it doesnt sound rewarding for a first playthrough. I hope they instead just include a hard mode from the start.
>>341584945
You could actually jump in TP and Sprint in SS. Wasn't rolling in SS?
>>341586507
Sure, TP link is the most skilled swordman so far.
>>341586691
>You could actually jump in TP
No you couldn't.
>>341586404
i recall them talking about this and saying multiple times that bomb-able things look natural but also communicate very easily that they're destructible.
>>341586748
With you sword sheathed if you hold L and flick forward and tap A at the same time he did a little jump. It wasn't really useful for anything but he did it.
>>341586204
The buried Guardians in the first area had 500+ health, and there were random bokos with 72. If this is just the first few percent of the map, unless there's going to be a huge amount of redundant non-upgrade loot to find, I wouldn't expect anything like Paper Mario. Everything I saw seems like a polished but otherwise very direct emulation of the usual open-world fantasy RPG systems.
>>341586257
Who cares about deliberately avoiding 95% of the content? Me, to start with. Would Dark Souls have been as fun if, rather than desperately searching for better equipment to even the odds in a boss fight or get revenge on that fucking black knight and praying to make it to the next bonfire so you'd be able to upgrade and not lose your hoard of souls, it was the same level of difficulty, but you had to deliberately ignore all of those systems to get it? It kills a huge amount of the gameplay and choices, and fundamentally just is not a working replacement for more difficulty.
>>341586691
Yeah, you could roll in Skyward Shota
>>341587072
That was Straight Sword, not Toilet Princess. If you did that in Twilight Paper, Link just rolled.
looks bad
>>341561510
Fuck, that looks kinda nice.
>>341587135
We might be talking about two different things.
Zelda games arent hard. If that's what your want you will never be happy. Challenge runs make the game slightly harder for people who have already played it normally.
I get your complaint, I just don't think it's relevant here because Zelda hasn't been challenging in that way for almost 30 years.
>>341585850
>There's also the webm that shows Link cutting down a tree and just the smallest tap causes it to start slipping and sliding because it has zero grip on the dirt and grass it fell onto.
I think that one was because the other end of the tree was barely on the ledge of that cliff. Not sure that makes it any better for you, but yeah. I don't recall it rolling when they chopped it down in a better place.
>>341581458
They probably coded it to force it to be less random than full on ragdolls usually are, like by making you fall at a certain rate down the cliff but use the physics to animate Link's model.
>>341587496
Even for a second playthrough, the heavy scaling seems likely to make it more tedious than anything, in a way that it wasn't in prior games. There's a skill ceiling to everything.
It's like that Grief Syndrome Madoka fangame where the idea is to reach as high a loop as possible, but once you hit the point where everything is a one-shot death and every mook needs a ten minute perfect infinite combo to kill, it's just tedious.
I saw that we can launch our weapon on ennemis.
I saw that if the ennemis lost his weapon, he take the weapon from the ground that is the most closest.
What if we launch our Mastersword on the ground when a Bokoblins have lost his weapon. Do you think he gonna take the Mastersword to fight us ? If yes, what happen if we run away after he takes the Mastersword,.. It could be funny to try.
