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I'm still mad.
>>341544313
it is a 20 year old franchise with 7 mainline entries
anyone who didn't already have the type chart memorized would just look one up anyways, may as well have it in game
not everyone is autistic enough to memorize all the type combinations.
and all it does it eliminate the need to look it up on google.
finally
so popplio is going to be water/fairy?
Pokemon was already a game made explicitly for children
Be thankful they didn't include an auto-battle button that automatically picks super effective moves for you in battles
>>341544313
Why?
Why would you get mad at this?
RIP BRONZONG
>>341544313
So you hate GF for pointing out the obvious shit but you literally did the same when you fucking circled the obvious offense in the picture.
Do you hate yourself?
>>341544845
autism
It's a game aimed at kids, pokemon isn't a game for tactical gamers, idk why people getting riled up that they're catering to their lowest common demoninator
>>341544313
it also only shows you that after that pokemon is in your pokedex
>>341544845
Pokemon fans are well known for having a lot of autistic members on their groups
haha, really? there's at least an option to remove it, right?
It only happens after multiple encounters of a Pokemon. They already fought litten so they know the typing. They didn't see pichu so it didn't show anything.
>>341544871
didn't think of this
nice job, gamefreak
>>341544972
>pokemon isn't a game for tactical gamers
Okay, sure, but even then, even if it was, wouldn't it be a GOOD thing that you now know the best course of action?
Do you get mad at the screen showing the outcome of battle in Fire Emblem too?
>>341544313
who doesn't know the type chart by now? even then it only appears after you've encountered a pokemon so it's not all that hand holding in the first place
>>341544805
You know what I find funny about this? The (Elite 4) AI is entirely based around the concept that the player is always going to pick the Super Effective move. It's already that way.
I remember fighting some thing that was weak to Ice. And I had a Water Pokemon out. Obviously I had Ice Beam, and the Elite 4 opponent just switches out to some asshole who both resisted Water and Ice Beam.
Now it's obvious that the AI is fucking brilliant to the player. The player is going to go, "HOLY SHIT SO SMART" whereas before there was chance they would miss catching it, mistaking it as a lucky switch.
Don't bother OP, the casuals here are all for it.It's okay when Nintendo does it!
why are you people even on a video game based image board a game getting dumbed down isn't a problem?
>>341544624
I could imagine you playing a SMT game and then complaining that you don't understand it because it doesn't spoonfeed you information.
>>341545465
Bronzong has Heatproof and Levitate as abilities, each negating one of its weaknesses. If this is in actual player on player battles and tells you what he's weak to, it's a real kick in the dick.
>>341544976
>it's literally a benzene molecule
How come I only just noticed this
>>341545271
Not really
I see why some people might be upset, there was already precious little depth to the combat system in Pokemon, and removing the knowledge requirement just makes an easy game even easier
That said, it's also a game made for children that basically shrugs it's shoulders and says "Yeah I guess people older than 12 can play this seriously if they want to", so I don't think it's that big a deal
>>341545182
tried to look up what you mean, but didn't find anything
what's the deal with bronzong, did it change types or something?
>>341545465
it has both Heatproof and Levitate, useful for multiplayer when your opponent don't know which one you have
to be honest, randomly guessing what type a pokemon is the first time you encounter it really isn't that fun.
>>341546128
I dunno, I liked that.
>>341545850
>>341546078
Do we know for sure that it will show this in multiplayer?
>>341546128
They explained that it doesn't show the first time you see the pokemon
>>341546128
You still have to do that. This just remembers what's what. There's literally no reason to care
>>341544845
Serious answer.
Previously the game wouldn't tell you which attacks were going to be effective or not, you have to learn by trying and remembering them the hard way.
>>341545271
Some people consider stuff like that 'handholding', arguing that stuff like the exact odds to hit robs something from the game.
It's really personal preference though. It's like comparing RTSs that have fog of war to ones that don't.
>people complaining about easy mode in a game where only type match ups matter anyways
if competitive wants to worry about IVs and all that stuff, let em, but you can get through the whole of any pokemon game with nothing but attack moves. Considering there are over 600 of these things now and they change up the match-up advantages almost every gen I see no issue here.
>>341546128
honestly the only pokemon that still trips me up sometimes is that purple scorpion thing, it's really easy to tell what they are 99% of the time. i don't know why people are making a big deal out of this
>>341545850
>>341546078
>They called it Heatproof instead of Fireproof, the more commonly used term for things that are fire retardant
What the hell Gamefreak
>>341546128
Yes it is you stupid faggot. Do you remember what a game is anymore?
Why are Pokemon fans so bad at video games?
>>341545810
Not that guy, but SMT doesn't have nearly as many type matchups as Pokemon.
Basic elements, and different strike damages. Mudo and Hama. Megido. Enemies aren't necessarily weak to what they appear to be.
>>341546678
whoa calm down there buddy, this is a christian board. we don't use that language here
I'm okay with this. Types used to make sense in Pokemon. If it looked like a fish, it was water type. Now everything is fucking crazy. What type is the floating sword? What type is the floating keys?
>>341546981
calm this *grabs dick*
>>341546720
Because they want to pretend that theyre still selling games to 10 year-olds and not 20-30 year olds.
>>341547060
>trial and error 2 hard 4 me
>I must be told because I don't know how to have fun anymore
>let me suck your cock some more gamefreak!
>>341547126
back the fuck off???? *unzips knife*
>>341547060
I still don't know what type is Cradily or Solrock. I always thought Solrock was fucking fire.
>>341545850
Hopefully it's based purely on typing and doesn't take into account abilities.
>>341547284
knife this *grabs dick*
>>341547282
It has nothing to do with trial an error. It has to do with not wanting to memorize shit when you play online battle.
>>341547060
Both are steel obviously.
>>341547216
How does that make it any better? I mean acknowledging that your favorite franchise is easy shit for literal babies.
>>341545810
>What is SMT4
>>341544313
nig, theres going to be almost 1000 pokemon and they're still marketing to kids, you can't expect fucking children to learn that many type matchups and have fun with it if theyre not autistic
>>341544313
The only matchups I don't know are anything related to Fairy-type.
I'm grateful for this.
>>341546382
>you have to learn by trying and remembering them the hard way.
no you didnt you autist pice of shit everyone use shit like bulbapedia and other wikis, no one memorise the types advantages by the "hard way" since the originals Gold and Silver
>>341547514
>not wanting to memorize shit
How can you be this casual? Why do you even play games? Just watch letsplays on youtube so you don't have to do anything anymore, you millenial freak
>>341547717
Fucking this.
>>341544313
Fucking EOU does this shit, and there are only 3 elements.It's still one of the best games on 3ds. Who fucking cares?
>>341546435
Fireproof implies invincibility to Fire.
>>341547717
>everyone use shit like bulbapedia and other wikis
>this is what kids born after 1990 actually did
LOL
>>341547431
*slurp* *gag* *smack*
Holy shit, /v/ is now defending the casualization of a video game.
How did this happen? Is the video game industry truly that far gone that asking players to remember things and/or think things through on their own is now too "autistic" for your regular gamer?
>>341547997
>Is the video game industry truly that far gone that asking players to remember things and/or think things through on their own is now too "autistic" for your regular gamer?
Yes, why do you think those lets play videos are so popular?
>>341544871
Perhaps it only goes by typing, and ignores abilities.
>>341544313
It only appears after you fought that particular Pokemon once, and is just an eyesore more than anything.
>>341547936
wow man it must feel realy good to be part of the super secret club of people that born before the 90s
if only i were so cool like you
>>341547305
It's exactly like that.
It even shows up on status moves.
>>341548238
That still fucks up some pokemon like Bronzong and if Gamefreak is really retarded, Zoroark.
>>341548331
>if only i were so cool like you
Yeah if only, too bad for you though. You should invent a time machine so you can get some taste desu
>>341547997
This casualizes it for the new players, not for the current installbase.
The meta expects you to know the type chart already.
They should have had an in-game chart of weaknesses and resistances in the menu instead. That way you have something you can consult if you forget without totally spoon-feeding players.
>>341548451
how about you start right now anon
i will be waiting here
Hopefully you can disable it.
>>341547997
who the fuck does it casualize it for? the people playing pokemon for the first time (lol?)
>>341544313
>Pound
>Water Gun
>Growl
>Disarming Voice
Heh.
>>341544313
thank fucking god, you have no idea how many blunders I made because I never remembered the whole table!
>>341544313
For those of us playing since gen1, learning ~100 or so new Pokemon's types every few years was never a big deal.
But for young kids just getting into the series, they're now diving into a sea of 700+ Pokemon. This shit will help them learn their types and weaknesses.
I'm really not seeing why this is a problem.
>>341547997
It's fucking Pokemon you autistic nigger, it is the casual game par excellence.
Secondly, memorizing a type matchup chart isn't 'hardcore', it's not like without these the average player was going to try and learn things as they went along, either you've been playing the series since the beginning and at this point you know, or you're going to look it up on the internet because you're semi new / casual. And if you're a competitive player this has no impact at all on the meta.
Of all the fucking shit in video games that people could get mad about and you people pick the most harmless bullshit, jesus christ.
I'm fine with this. Mostly because I can't be assed to learn any of the chart changes that came with Fairy.
>>341544313
It only tells you this info against Pokemon you've already faced.
Good
Fuck Shuckle and Dwebble or whatever the fuck it's called
>>341544313
>Being this mad about a kids game making it easier for their target audience.A U T I S MUTISM
Retards, it only tells you these if you've already beaten the pokemon.
>>341549189
>making things easier for kids instead of harder
This is a disturbing trend that has culminated in retarded millennials such as yourself
>>341548806
>or you're going to look it up on the internet because you're semi new / casual
Or you could, you know, play the game. When you encounter a pokemon for the first time you can use some trial an error to discern what type it is, say a Charizard using Wing Attack and Flamethrower. If they are both Super Effective you can make a guess saying that it's a grass type. If your fight with the pokemon ends and you're still not sure you can go into the pokedex and check on the typing. This isn't a game that's very challenging or has to be optimized to play, so you using a not very effective attack over the course of a battle is fine because you probably still have a chance to win, and the next time you encounter that pokemon or typing you'll know what to do, and it's not coming from the game spelling it out for you, it's knowledge you learned over the course of your adventure.
>>341547717
>>341547936
>>341548451
Ha.
But yeah when the game was created that was how it was done. Kids would feel bright trying to learn it all, write it down in notes or fork out for guides.
I suppose it is kind of pointless now that you can google it a second. But you could also just watching twitch stream too and not play it too I guess.
Personally I don't believe not telling you the type effect really add anything to the game so I'm not bothered by it.
>>341549717
yeah becuase all kids have to grow up like YOU did right?
Its not the 90's anymore.
>>341548997
How could you not tell dwebble is bug/rock?
I'm more mad about Yungoos than the type-matchup elitism
>>341544313
Do people really get mad at shit like this?
Why would you do that? It's getting mad at making things easier but not in a bullshit way. I swear everyone who does that kinda shit has the biggest fucking nostalgia goggles ever.
>>341550228
>yeah becuase all kids have to grow up like YOU did right?
Yeah it would be nice if kids didn't grow up to be stupid like you.
>>341550413
Getting angry at minor details releases dopamine
>>341550545
So that's why /v/ is so active.
I gotta stop questioning this shithole at some point, it can't be good for my health.
>>341544313
Everything made complete fucking sense when it was revealed that Masuda didn't develop X & Y / ORAS and that it was a different new developer. You know, the guy that gives all gym leaders a maximum of 4 pokemon and makes the games easy as shit.
Pokemon is dead. It was already casual as shit and now the new guy wants to make it even easier.
B2/W2's Hard Mode was the series' swan song for me.
>>341549856
>When you encounter a pokemon for the first time you can use some trial an error to discern what type it is
You still have to do that because it doesn't tell you what is effective until you beat them/use those moves
It's LITERALLY the exact same as what you're suggesting except it goes and checks the pokedox for you.
>1800 elo in LC and 1900 in UU
>still forget type match ups around poison other than weak to ground and psychic, SE on grass and fairy, doesn't hit steel.
>>341550886
>You still have to do that because it doesn't tell you what is effective until you beat them/use those moves
This is a screen grab from the first encounter of the other starter in the game, so that is 100% false.
>>341550885
Yeah but it also just makes shit easier on the dummies, which pokemon obviously has a lot of that play the series. The ones that aren't dumb enough to need it will ignore it and the ones that are get helped by it.
Which is why I don't understand the anger over this.
>>341550476
Yeah because Pokemon is for smart grownups like you and should not be reduced to entry level trash for kids right?
>>341547997
This, fuck /v/.
>>341548618
You're a moron. It casualizes it for old players because they shouldn't know the types of every new Pokemon in SM at the start (or any new gen for that matter).
>>341544313
Why memorize what can be referenced (e.g., no skill required) in seconds?
What's so bad about cutting out that middle man?
>>341551145
They said it was the second time fighting Hau. So it goes
Get starter
Then Hau challenges you.
Then go do some shit and go to the plaza and fight him again.
>>341551145
>lvl 7 and 8
>more than 1 pokemon each
>first encounter
Have you EVER played a pokemon game? They always have one fight with the rival where the rival has only their starter at a really low level.
>>341551145
Wrong, they said that this is the second fight with him. Did you even pay attention? He even has two pokemon now.
>>341551315
are you implying that it already isn't piss easy to guess what type a pokemon is by now, even on a first encounter? some of them are literally color coded for fuck's sake
The fact that there are people legitimately annoyed by this is so baffling.
>>341551623
>some
>>341551315
>complaining about casualization in pokemon of all games
What's next, whining about how many fucking tutorials are in the newer mario games, or how zelda has at least one entire dungeon devoted to teaching you shit?
It's funny how the Pokemon fans who say "It's for kids anyways! It's suppose to be easy!" are the same ones who actively play the games.
>game gives you a little bit of extra information to prevent you making some mistakes
You cannot tell me you haven't by mistake forgot type match-ups and made an attack that has completely fucked up the match at least once
>>341544313
HOLY SHIT
WHAT
>>341544313
I'm pretty sure they only pop up after you've fought the Pokemon once before.
Even then, only a fucking moron wouldn't know the weakness chart by now. Even then, it's not like it's hard to learn.
>oh shit its a new pokemon
>it's red and brown
guess what type it is guys, YOU'LL NEVER GUESS RIGHT
>>341551145
This isn't the first fight with the starter. Rewind to when he's fighting the pichu, he hasn't fought one before so it doesn't show type match-ups. They even mentioned specifically in the stream that it works like this. Please understand the source material before complaining about it on the internet.
>>341551476
>>341551478
>>341551515
This does not explain how you would know fairy isn't very effective against fire.
>>341552020
>fight a new blue pokemon near a bunch of water
holy fuck better use a fire move
>>341551839
>defending casualization
>ever
Its pokemon, what did you expect?
>>341552092
>moving the goalposts
>>341552148
>plays a game for literally 10 yo
>get mad cus casualization
/v/ everyone
at less in /vp/ people know and accept that pokemon is aimed for litle kids
It's just a game, no reason to get mad LOL
>>341552148
Pokemon has always been casual. ALWAYS. Just because they're making it even more so now doesn't mean it's worthy to get fucking pissed over.
>tfw you will never have autism
>>341544565
You don't always know the type of new Pokemon. Remember that tree Pokemon that was actually a rock type?
>>341552403
Stopped after gen 4, faggot. Why shouldn't I be upset over casualization of a favorite series of mine? Should I just accept it instead? Neo-/v/ everyone.
>>341552568
>You don't always know the type of new Pokemon.
And you don't in this game, either.
I can't even begin to tell you mega altaria is weak and resistant to. There are a ton of pokemon like that, and I'd end up looking at some retarded chart anyway, so this really just saves me time.
>>341552568
yeah, that one time you got tricked and used ember against it and then it used mimick to ember your cyndaquil was so scary!
>>341552708
And that means nothing when you get told which attacks work best on them.
>>341544565
>it is a 20 year old franchise with 7 mainline entries
>
>anyone who didn't already have the type chart memorized would just look one up anyways, may as well have it in game
Nigga, Pokemon is a game series for babies.
>>341552815
Only after you fight them for the first time. Just like the other games
>>341552870
It's nothing like the other games.
>>341552697
how about you grow up and acept that you are playing a kids game nigger, not the next muh super complex RPG
>>341544313
If you're legitimately mad about this maybe you should just kill yourself sperg
>>341552697
>favorite series
>stopped after gen 4
>new gen is gen 7
>>341553038
>implying Pokémon didn't go to shit after 4
>>341552969
How so?
In other pokemon games since FRLG, the pokedex tells you their types. If you know their types, you know what's effective and what isn't outside of exceptions like heatproof and we don't know how sun&moon's tips interact with abilities.
>>341552518
This so hard. It was never challenging unless you imposed limits on yourself. The game itself was pretty much autowin for the most part.
>>341551894
>games need to protect you from making mistakes now
>this is considered a good thing
There's no longer a need to discuss this. The gap between the two sides is so far apart that words will just bounce off their own echoes before reaching the other side.
>>341552697
>Stopped after gen 4
>the last time he play a videogame of the series was 7 years ago at the best and 10 at te worst
>a favorite series of mine
and here again ladies and gentlemen /v/ going ful retardation toaking about games that they dont play
>>341552697
>casualization
>of Pokemon
Dude this is a game for 9 year old kids and college hipster sluts. You honestly think there's any aspect of Pokemon that's "hardcore"?
Sure there's IV and EV stats, but this update doesn't affect that in the slightest.
>>341553204
It didn't, seeing that gen 5 came right after.
Regardless, what I'm saying is that it can't be a "favorite" if you haven't played a game since 200 fucking 9.
>>341553473
>Play the series for over a decade
>Love it
>Hate the direction it took after 4
>hurr dur how can you say you it's a favorite??
>>341553283
The older games never told you which attacks were the best before you knew the pokemon type, or even tried the attacks. The game is now a casualised piece of poo that only children could be entertained by.
>>341548783
Then they could have just shown you the enemy's type, and still expect the player to know the type matchups.
>>341553821
>The older games never told you which attacks were the best before you knew the pokemon type, or even tried the attacks
Good news, neither does SM.
>>341553805
Then it WAS a fave or the older games are some of your faves but it's not one of them anymore because you haven't even TOUCHED the newer games.
Git gud at semantics loser.
>>341544313
Wisdom and Skill>>>>Knowledge
Stop bitching about baby tier shit.
>>341553821
>The older games never told you which attacks were the best before you knew the pokemon type, or even tried the attacks.
This one doesn't. You do not get told which attacks are effective until you beat that pokemon. Pic related, first time you fight a pichu. No tips.
>>341553805
>havnt play the serioes for almost a decade
>hurr durr guys i sware im an expert in pokemon im from gen one the original 150 XD XD XD and everithing after gen 4 is shit i sware i dont need to play the games to toak shit about them like all the games here
This is useful when you're fighting something with a weird type combination, it's not always as simple as "Water beats fire"
>>341544313
There are ADULTS in this thread complaining that a videogame meant for little children is being made more casual.
You can't make this cringe up.
>>341553805
>went to shit
>bw2 are the best games in the series
um??????
>>341554093
Photoshopped
>>341553821
>casualized pokemon
say it isn't so
>>341554359
dang you caught me
So according to this thread, SMT is casual
>>341544313
Are they seriously spoonfeeding now? Jesus christ. That shit is easy if you aren't retarded.
>>341554053
Nope, love the simple gameplay, the world, the music, etc. How does it stop being a favorite of mine?
>>341554514
it is
>>341554272
It isn't even being made more casual though. The depth is still there.
>>341554514
Literally the most casual JRPG ever.
>>341544313
Who cares? You have the chart memorized anyway.
>>341554554
I'm being a grammar nazi just ignore me.
>>341554359
Did you even watch the stream??
>>341554529
If you've already used a type of move on a pokemon, it records how effective it is against them.
Pokemon is for kids you can play it at any age but don't be mad that it doesn't offer anything to you at this point and time.
pokemon's gameplay is so shallowit's fucking rock paper scissors just like the SMT garbagethat just showing the player more information makes players feel like the combat is ruined
>>341544313
I don't give a shit since I'm autistic enough that I immediately memorize the new pokemon, their types, and any type effectiveness changes (the chart is just ingrained into my mind).
It just saves time. Before someone would just look up the type(s) of a Pokemon and what attack types are effective against it online rather than just being told ingame.
>>341554884
This. Autism helps for once
>>341554709
Hmm. Not bad.
>>341551894
>You cannot tell me you haven't by mistake forgot type match-ups and made an attack that has completely fucked up the match at least once
That's the argument for not showing it. Even the best lineup can be undone by a simple act of carelessness.
But it depends how you look at it. Some seed is having the bumpers off and bowling other see it declaring check in chess,(which isn't the same thing as checkmate)
I would only be mad if it sees through abilities. Like it says "not effective" on Bronzongs with Levitate
>>341554593
This makes it so people no longer have to memorize the chart.
This boils the game down to "push the button that the game tells me to"
If you seriously can not tell how damaging that is, not just to Pokemon, but gaming as a whole then I dunno what to tell you.
The argument isn't that this makes Pokemon easier. The argument that this is a trend that teaches gamers that games that require no thought of your own is the best way to "play"
And then when you do consider that this is a game for children and you realize that these games are now training these young gamers to rely more on this type of hand holding than their own brains makes it all the worse.
>>341552568
The damage weakness info doesn't show up until you encounter that pokemon once already.
>>341544313
Fucking casuals ruining my vidya
>>341555412
Most RPGs have a method that allows you to permanently see an enemies weakness either after battling it before or after using a specific item or skill on it once. So Pokemon is just finally catching up to other RPGs.
>>341555601
How fucking dare they give me info on the opponent instead of making me look it up on the internet every time when I don't remember
>>341555412
>implying this was any different before now
Pokemon is specificly designed for fucking children to play. Go ahead and play it I don't fucking care but don't act like it was anything "deep" before.
>>341555412
>This makes it so people no longer have to memorize the chart.
Where the fuck where you people back when FRLG let you check the chart at any time with the L/R buttons?
>>341555412
>muh slippery slope
I don't have time for this shit
You win
>Pokemon
>Deep Compelling Gameplay
The only content in these games is the Pokemon in fact once you know the full list of new pokemon there's no reason to play the games
>>341555412
>This boils the game down to "push the button that the game tells me to"
It has to be said thought, if skill at Pokémon was simply memorising the type charts, well it does it really say much for the gameplay.
>>341547997
No shit they're casualizing it, you nub.
It's Pokémon, which was never meant to be anything but casual.
>>341556345
The skill comes from competitive play where everyone already knows their types to begin with, so these complaints make no sense
The only thing I hate about it is how ugly it looks. It looks they just decided to slap on that text at the last minute.
>>341544313
It's just more information, I fail to see the downside
All they need to do is make it easier to see what types of EVs and IVs a Pokemon have without doing obscure bullshit that you need to learn outside the game. Pokedex information for what type of IVs a Pokemon give for battling would be great.
>>341556827
>what type of IVs a Pokemon give for battling would be great.
*EVs
>>341544976
is that confirmed?
if so thats actually kinda cool
>>341555601
>Weak to fire
>>341556827
XY/ORAS showed EVs with that training thing.
It also showed some EVs based on whatever pokemon was in the training. (wailord challenge thing gave hp, etc.)
>>341556787
I think it's kind of ugly, not because it looks slapped on at the last minute but it looks like it was designed for XY's bottom screen where everything was round.
>>341550874
It is a video games series about collecting pets for children you fuckin sperglord.
They didn't intend for it to be taken the most seriously and competitive, autismos like you just pretend it is some hardcore serious game with deep mechanics.
don't go into it expecting a huge challenge.
Pokemon isn't dead, you're just a fucking adult now.
>>341557407
nintendo literally hosts competitive tournaments
>>341544313
More to the point, I'm worried about Abilities and items outright screwing with the effectiveness chart. Someone in the chat already brought up Bronzong, but I've got some real-life experience with this.
My niece was playing Pokémon White and was misled by NPCs into thinking that Ground-types were the best type to bring against Nimbasa City's Elesa.
Guess what? Two out of three of her Pokémon were pic-related, part-Flying. She still won, but it took a retry and a handful of anti-paralytics.
>>341552568
>sudowoodo
>pseudo
>wood
>false
>tree
no shit its a rock, you got rused
this is the "new" exp share all over again
you can probably just turn it off
hopefully for wifi battles they dont have it though
>>341557573
Who cares
>>341557734
The battle royal footage they showed had it.
>>341544313
>pupplio learns disarming voice
Guessing itll be part fairy in its final evolution
What the shit is fairy is fucking weak to?
>>341557724
It could've been Normal
>>341558063
Steel and poison, ye dungus.
>>341558063
Poison and Steel.
>>341558063
steel and poison. steel because in literature the fae folk are weak to cold iron. poison cause fairies like plants?
>>341558063
Without looking anything up, I remember from experience that Poison-types are the best hard counters for Fairy.
>>341558284
Poison because they wanted to buff it.
>>341547936
If you were born before 1990, playing Pokemon was never cool to begin with.
>>341558243
>>341558274
>>341558284
Thanks nerds. I wouldn't have guessed it was steel and poison. I'm assuming it resists dark and fighting because they hit for nothing against it.
>>341558439
>implying
>>341558468
Yes. It's resistant to bug as well and is immune to dragon, to boot.
>>341558468
Dark, Fighting, Bug and not effective.
Fairy is immune to Dragon, since it kind of exists to nerf dragon types from what I understand
Wow, they still make the easiest and most dumbed down JRPG series even easier with every title. I thought every Pokemon getting experience was already ridiculous. Pokemon manchildren are seriously the lowest of the low.
Who is the best generic polegirl and why is it the ranger?
>>341558683
Fairies (fae and seelie court) defeated or aided in the defeat a lot of dragons in mythology.
>>341559641
>polegirl
That little slip aside, XY Ace Trainer
>a bunch of literal millennials complaining about how they don't like inconsequential change that they don't like as if they were grumpy old men
>>341547297
Cradily's typing still confuses me
I always forget what moves are super effective and what are not
>>341560736
>not knowing what Cradily is
It's a fossil (so it's at least part rock) and is a plant, and this grass. It's weak to fighting, steel, ice, and bug and resistant to normal and electric. With its hidden ability Storm Drain, it is also immune to water.
>>341559641
gen 5 still the goat
>water/fairy
>the cat is probably going to be fire/dark
>>341544565
This. I don't memorize the new shitters like I did with old pokemon. Plus dual types cancel some effectiveness.
>>341553821
>The game is now a casualised piece of poo that only children could be entertained by.
>only children could be entertained by
>only children
>children
You're talking about fucking Pokemon, you retard. It was a children's franchise from the very beginning.
>>341555601
>typing which is set compared to willy nilly changes that skills can alter and folklore can be loosely based on
First of all, it's only there AFTER you encounter them, first encounters won't have them
Second, we don't know if this counts abilities, for all we know, it could still say that ground and fire moves would be super effective against a bronzong without it's abilities being accounted for
Third, and most importantly, keep in mind that online has limitations and might not have them. Remember Pokemon Amie and massive shitposting about how it raises your critical hit ratio because they love you? They turned that shit off during online and they could do it for this too.
you're a 20 something year old dude mad that a game made for children is easy
All they did is put the shit that you'd only find in the manuel into the game proper
You still need to actually catch them first and have their pokedex entry
>>341553821
>The game is now casualized
>now
Anon... This is Pokemon. It was always a casual game. From day one it was a piss easy game meant to be played in short bursts and made for a wide audience. You could even say the series invented casual gaming as we know it since they popularized handheld video gaming. If you play Pokemon and expect a hardcore experience for hardcore gamers such as yourself, you're going to be disappointed.
>>341544624
You'll still need to memorize it if all your attacks are ineffective and you need to choose the right pokemon to switch in
Or when you defeat a pokemon and it asks if you want to switch now because ___ is getting switched in
Saves you absolutely nothing in the end so I don't see why it's worth getting mad about, if anything it will make lazy kids not remember and then get their ass wrecked when they need it
>>341545931
Its a bronze mirror
>>341544624
>you have to be autistic to memorize rock paper scissors
>>341558683
dont understand how poison is SE and bug is NTE. bugs eat plants so...
this prevents tricks such as running a miltank with sap sipper or a snorlax without thickfat thats the only down side i see to this
>>341544728
>Pokémon only have moves for their own types
>>341551987
I have it pretty much down, but Fairy throws me off.
I mean, they're just an anti-meta type right?
So they're strong against overused types like Dragon and weak to underused types like steel?
So I'm playing Pokemon ORAS and ran into this thing.
Why does it exist?
>make an already easy and casual game even more casual and braindead
Great this series was always shit but this takes the cake. The fact that any of you cucks are even defending this has me believe that either you guys are good at baiting or you all are actually fucking retards who can't memorize a single type being weak to another type and want your hand held even more. You guys can literally go fuck yourselves.
>>341567901
How is it being casualized? Are you one of the 12 people playing Pokemon for the first time ever? Are you too braindead to pick up on visual cues on new Pokemon to get a hint on their types? This is literally no different than encountering something then looking it up in the Pokedex after a battle.
>game for LITERAL children is casualized.
Congrats you've played the game for so long to internalize it, or expect everyone to pointlessly memorize non-intuitive shit, like Ice v. Flying, Ground v. Poison, or Bug v. Dark
Goddamn I bet people even want to go back to hellish EV training that took straight up autistic levels of grinding.
>>341567168
>there are 3 types of pokemon
great analogy fucker
>>341544313
>being mad that a childrens game is catering to children
I'm sure this post has been made but I don't have that kind of time
>>341567771
Heart scales since they didn't want to include luvdisc from memory.
im still mad they tell you what type your pokemon is or what moves it has.
>>341569242
im still mad they show you your pokemons hp and ap for moves
>>341569326
I can't believe they are STILL showing pokemon's names and appearance. Do you also want warm milk before your nap?
>>341569326
I'm still mad they even tell you your pokemon.
>>341564140
>We'll reach 500+ posts like this and >>341564808 will be ignored
>>341567495
Starters usually learn their STAB moves very early.
It's true that pokemon can learn other types of moves, starters always get a STAB move before a non-STAB move.
I'm not saying that it's 100% water/fairy but the chances are pretty high.
>>341567665
Pretty much.
Shin Megami Tensei did this. I don't know what makes it so heretical in Pokemon. Especially considering the former is supposed to be a mature game for mature gamers such as myself while the latter is literally made for grade schoolers.
>>341545003
What's even the point of removing it? It's not like it's auto selecting the move, it's just there.
>>341569647
>you just caught a yellow thunder mouse
>would you like to give it a nickname?
>>341544313
Fucking. Finally.
Like I am sorry, it was gay as fuck before. You either had to keep the stupid type table open whenever a battle mattered, or you had to memorize the whole thing which frankly I'd say 99.99% of players haven't or literally can't do.
>>341561230
muh nigga.
>>341544313
Eh, finally I'll stop getting confused with shit like drapion and Lugia.
>>341569728
Many RPGs do it in fact, some even have a scan attack to directly tell you the weaknesses.
>>341569326
>>341569242
To not forget they also tell you if the pokémon is registered in the pokedex or not. Back in gen 1 we had to have a paper to note that down. Don't get me started at the box system.
Might as well. As long as abilities don't count, or illusion is even more useless.
Online won't be a memory game, that's fine. There are type charts in game, right?
>>341569728
I don't think there's types in Pokemon. Or move slots that may change resistances permanently.
Or bosses which don't record.
Or it gives you the move it is weak to rather what types it's affected by (though that's mostly same, and apps like Gibo eyes exist, but that's optional). Plus most times it's after fusion or you encounter it enough times.
Bronzong and Zoroark are fucking dead.
>>341571686
Zoroark is a dark type, what's so hard about that?
>XY Elite 4 don't all carry 6 pokemon
Fucking why?
>>341571815
Illusion.
>>341571686
Maybe it counts typing only for abilities which add negating effects.
If illusion gives fake typing then that should work.
>>341571308
*Types in SMT
>>341571890
You're assuming that this won't take illusion into account and won't fuck your shit up anyway
>>341544313
Wow, I don't have to spend a grand total of 10 minutes to test the type combinations. That sure was tactical back then.
I can't believe moot made /vp/ and I still can't escape Pokemon autism.
>>341559641
Any pre gen-5 slut
>>341569326
I'm still mad about Pokemon.
>>341547060
Yeah, like "Poison" type Rattata, eh? Or "Dragon/Flying" Charizard, eh?
>>341547060
You mean they aren't steel? You could have at least picked Zygarde which is pretty much impossible to guess.
>>341571839
The games have always been easy, but X an Y were a complete joke. The elite 4, and all the gym leaders, will literally stop using super effective attacks if you somehow are losing to them. Other trainers will also start spamming non attacking moves if you are losing. AND PEOPLE WILL STILL DEFEND THIS
>>341571686
>implying anyone uses heatproof seriously
>implying zoroark won't die to any non-psychic hit anyway
>>341571839
No E4 has ever carried 6 Pokemon.
>>341545810
>comparing Pokemon to SMT
Top kek
>people defending it
isn't it more fun you guys when you make a mistake and try to learn ? my last pokemon was ruby and i was thinking of getting this and it has like what? three new types? I can't have fun trying to figure out their weaknesses/strengths if that exists...
>footage shows a Lass trainer using a level 3 caterpie, nothing else
Come on, this is a joke. The player had 3 pokemon by then. Can't they at least include optional difficulty levels? I can't enjoy the games lately when they are this baby level crap.
>>341572931
How the fuck do you "try to learn" if the types are registered immediately after you catch it?
>>341572931
>isn't it more fun you guys when you make a mistake and try to learn ?
You can't make a mistake in pokemon anymore. If you fuck up your opponent will start using uneffective and passive attacks. Shit sucks.
>>341573148
wait is this for real?
>>341572849
Pokemon is essentially SMT for babbies
>>341572998
This, just look at the old games where the first non-rival trainer you fight has super high level strong Pokemon.
>>341572931
Gee, the game is stealing 2 minutes of trial and error. The real problem with the new games after gen5 is that they got objectively way easier, you can't even lose anymore. And there isn't even a decent post-game like Battle frontier anymore.
>>341573232
No..
Diantha was a pretty shit champion.
What an awful fight.
>>341573480
You could lose in games before gen V???
>>341573571rollout rollout rollout
milk drink
>>341573480
Stop playing a game made for children then?
If you've played more than one pokemon game you might have autism.. literally
I had a hard time with the elite four of gen 4
Man gen 4 was amazing
>when pokemon does it its for babies
>when smt and persona does it its deep and challenging
The fuck
>>341573513
thats something we all can agree with. her theme was cool though.
>>341573409
Those games are almost 2 decades old. Something like being able to choose a higher difficulty should exist by now if the base game is going to be so simple and easy when much of the fanbase is much older now.
>>341553821
It's a game for children. WAKE UP
Is this the "blue arms" of Pokemon?
>>341573751
Yeah I liked her theme. The only redeeming aspect of the fight.
>>341573751
Just like Steven
>try to discuss pokemon on /vp/
>get hit by nothing but shitposts
Holy fuck the mos need to delete that board. It's cancer incarnate.
>>341557724
For the sake of argument. Let's assume we're playing this game fresh.
At no point does pseudo wood means its rock type dumbass.
If you guys wants a legit hard pokemon get voltwhite/blazeblack rom hacks.
they are legit tough.
>>341573480
not necessairly 2 minutes of trial/error because without them specifically stating what's super and what's not effective you may forget one time which makes for fun screw ups.
>>341544313
i thought some people explained last thread that this only appears when you fight a certain pokemon already
either way who the fuck cares? youre not good at the game just for knowing weaknesses and shit, it's about your pokemon team as a whole and your strategy
>>341574097
this. only reason he is "hard" is if you did not pick a fire starter. but he could atleast put up a fight.
>>341574231
what makes them hard?
>>341574505
check the features here, it's quite long to post here:
https://gbatemp.net/threads/pokémon-blaze-black-pokémon-volt-white.286850/
I dont really care, I stopped playing Pokemon at Diamond and Pearl and im only going back for that sweet Rotom Pokedex, and because starters look cool
>>341567168
If Rock Paper Scissors had 17 different moves, yes.
>>341574424
Half of its team is also rock type so it isn't really much different having a not-fire starter.
>>341567901
> the difficulty in pokemon comes from absence of information rather than manipulation of resources
what the fuck no
People have been looking at type charts for ever. The addition to game is just convinience, not casualization. And the main use of it is to remember the less obvious type combinations like Poison being weak to Ground, Dark/Psychic counter being Bug or Rock being weak to Fighting.
>>341567771
Water pokemons have the worst fucking design. Too many fishes.
>>341575089
Steven's team was pretty cool despite having huge weaknesses.
>>341574906
>there are people that actually memorized this
amazing. I always wanted to get into competitive and breeding pokemons but I could never get that into it.
Only bugs me cause I often have fun springing this guy on friends who aren't accustomed to how he works. And this feature makes beating him a lot more obvious.
>>341544313
>easy mode
>implying those games ever were remotely hard
>>341575326
it really isn't that difficult at all, you could learn that in the base game without even touching competitive
>>341550150
>Kids would feel bright trying to learn it all, write it down in notes or fork out for guides.
You must come from an incredibly retarded town. How was it in any way difficult to remember types and who the fuck took notes on this shit? Fire burns grass, how will I ever remember this arbitraty typing.
>>341556827
They need to just flat out euthanize the IV system.
This is coming from someone who's spent hours upon hours on the bike IV breeding. It's nothing but a time sink.
>>341575504
Please recite for us every type, what it's weak to, and what's weak to it
>>341553821
>The game is now a casualised piece of poo that only children could be entertained by.
>Now
You're talking about pokémon for fuck sake.
>>341575417
this. pokemon is made for children. retarded children at that. only game that came close for being hard was platinum.
>>341572849
SMT didDemons before Pokemon did.
>>341575326
Most weakness are obvious outside of a few stupid one like
>Steel beats fairy
>Poison beats fairy
>Ghost doesn't damage normal
>Flying beats fighting
>Ice beat dragon
>Dragon beat dragon
>Steel beat Ice
>Steel beat rock
>Rock beat flying
>Fighting beat normal
>Fighting beat dark
>>341575417
This... it's like impossible not to overlevel in any Pokemon game past gen 2. Then strategy and typing just become irrelevant and you just steamroll everything. Pokemon single player needs level scaling or some shit.
>>341574221
>>341558140
You fucked with it by spraying it with water and it had rock attacks, what other type could it possibly be if not rock? ground maybe but that's about it.
this is a good thing op, take it from me... the biggest pokemon faggot on earth
>>341544624
>memorizing types is considered autistic
I will kill you one day
>>341575625
I'd fail poison because poison is shit and I've never used it and fairy because I haven't played the new ones.
>>341555412
>It's a game for children
>It's okay if you casualize it
The difficulty was about right ten years ago, for kids. I know from firsthand experience. Making it easier just worsens the experience for everyone.
>>341575737
>>341575737
Fairy as a whole is kind of hard to classify the same way you would the other types, so they kinda had to bullshit it with it's weaknesses.
I feel like they're making the Pokemon games have more and more convenience to them (if that makes sense) in every new mainline entry, but they're forgetting to up the difficulty.
The original Pokemon games were fucked as far as mechanics went (the special stat, TMs not being reusable) and they're just spending development time basically making sure that clunky shit is gone. This is a bit different, but it certainly makes the games easier to play.
>>341554359
You must be 18+ to post here.
I recently bought a 2DS
What is the one (or maybe two but that's it) DS pokemon game worth playing?
Haven't played since 5th gen. Can we finally see natures durring battle?
>>341575892
fairy only exist to shit on dragons.
>>341576062
Heart Gold/ Soul Silver
As though any of that matters, Pokémon is already easy as shit even without giving a single fuck about types and going paper against scissors because you're too lazy to switch.
>>341576176
>without giving a single fuck about types and going paper against scissors because you're too lazy to switch.
I will always remember curb stomping Blaine and his gym with an overleveled Venusaur when i was younger.
Even if its artificial difficulty, its been in pokemon since forever. Sad to see it change, now I feel old.
>>341576310
how the fuck does artificial difficulty play a part here?
>>341576382
He probably thinks burden of knowledge is a bad thing. Oh no the game has you make mistakes before you learn something.
>>341575737
>>Rock beat flying
>>Fighting beat normal
How are those stupid?
>>341573885
I'm not a retard asking of GF to make the first fucking trainer in the game have lv20 Pokemon.
>>341575737
> Steel beats fairy
Pure metals being used to hurt supernatural creatures is a thing the world over.
> Flying beats fighting
Because it fuckign flies.
> Steel beats rock
Pickaxes.
> Rock beats flying
I always imagined boulders just absolutely fucking crushing birds.
> Fighting beats normal
Normals have always universally been cutesy, delicate little fluffballs, in fact so much that a huge number of them got moved over to the fairy type. It wasn't a great leap of logic to understand that they can get their ass beat by ATATATATATATA.
That said, the other one's you mentioned are kind of random but they're pretty much filler to make the chart more well rounded.
>>341576382
The difficulty is based around unpredictable lack of information rather than utilization of resources.
>OP gets thoroughly blown the fuck out
>thread still exists
ok
>>341557946
Wait, that could be important, that could help figure out what secondary types the other two arealthough it's entirely possible that's a standalone move.
What types are Fairy weak/strong to? I know Fire, Steel and Poison are strong off the top of my head
>>341577018
I don't see what flying has to do with beating muscle and how you think you'll crush a bird with a boulder
By that logic a boulder can crush fish, mice, dogs, cats, horses and rock would be the most OP type ever
>>341577193
> How you gonna punch a nigga all the way up in the sky.
> Boulder lands on bird, bird cannot support weight of boulder and plummets into the ground.
>>341577018
>Steel beats fairy
I always thought of this as technology BTFOing hippy fags.
>>341577193
2 birds with one stone.
>>341577345
> How you gonna punch a nigga all the way up in the sky.
> How you gonna crush a nigga with a boulder all the way up in the sky
>>341544313
If you already know type combinations it doesn't make the game any easier. Why is that such a big deal?
>>341575625
>Literally "Prove it to me"
Are you really so retarded that you think typing was hard enough that you have to be able to recite type advantages from memory to prove you know it?
Its also a catch twenty two question because type advantages and disadvantages have changed over time
>>341577494
What else are they gonna bitch about?
It literally only makes the game easier for those who haven't played and children
Those who have been playing the game since Gen 1 won't be affected by this, but they're retarded
DUDE WHY DON'T POKEBALLS JUST WORK ALL THE TIME? YOU'RE JUST GOING TO CATCH IT ANYWAY. IT'S 2016 I MEAN COME ON.
t. apologists in this thread
>>341577553
Hence why GF has added this new mechanic, glad we came to an understanding
>>341577619
Gonna make a retarded food analogy next?
>making a kids game easier for kids that has gotten out of control with its types over the years
>being this mad about it
Anon, come on now, don't be such afaggot
>censorship apologists
>dumbing down apologists
What's next?
>>341577454
You can throw boulder.
You can not throw fist.
>>341577682
I was someone completely different, but whatever man. I don't understand how this type thing is any different than how the fucking booklet for red and blue had all the types strength and weaknesses.
Everyone in here seems to forget that and is saying shit like "WE LEARNED IT THE HARD WAY" no you fucking didn't you retards
>>341577807
>throw
>boulder
I could if I was a fighting type
>>341577767
This literally doesn't affect anyone who has already played one pokemon game and doesn't suffwr from Alzheimer's syndrome.
>>341577606
>Those who have been playing the game since Gen 1 won't be affected by this, but they're retarded
how am i supposed to beat 10 year olds with my team of obscure types? reeeeeee.
>>341545931
What are you talki-
>electrons
oh
OH
that's so fucking cool
>>341577982
It's the principle that matters.
Like when they gave you an EXP share that automatically turned to 'on', or straight up handed you a legendary pokemon after the 5th gym.
Sure you can turn it off, and put the legendary in the PC, but it's obnoxious all the same. The game assumes that you're a retarded hopeless idiot.
What if some kid wants to learn all the types and he can't challenge himself because the game thinks he's a nigglet with a two-minute attention span?
>>341544313
>non-intrusive text to help mentally challenged children so they can enjoy a game series that has been going for so long that the sheer volume of monsters it features could be intimidating and confusing
>"I'm upset because it literally won't change my experience because I want to pretend that this nothing feature will somehow make the game any less challenging"
Are you one of those fags who complains about the exp share that you can turn off?
One of those fags who grinds, breeds 'perfect' pokemon, reads guides to find the best ones ahead of time and overlevels one team of six to plow through the games and then claim that its "too easy".
Just catch them all and use them all and stop being a faggot.
>>341578141
Knowing how retarded people are online in all videogames, there's a high chance that, if this is active in PvP, they will not even bother reading it.
>>341577135
Litten fire/dark and rowlet grass/fighting confirmed by me.
It even says that rowlet kicks stuff in the pokedex entry.
>>341578262
neither of those things are the same because they both fundamentally change something about the game. The game becomes balanced around exp share. The game becomes balanced around you having a legendary early on.
this change LITERALLY nothing
>>341578336
They already leaked mate.
Litten becomes a fire/fighting bara furry.
yo
check this out /v/
yo
gents and dames, fedora fags whine
all because of a fucking kiddie game
pokemon games get easier and lame
and i'm here laughing cuz of all the wine
yeah cuz i drink every time i visit /v/
and I think it's a crime you have yet to see
i make no sense i know that i'm high
to my defense even my flow is a lie
but back to pokemon moon and sun
by luck it's might still be a bit fun
but you faggots keep complaining for no reason
hypocrites, i know you'll be training next season
that's what /v/ has become if it wasn't always as such
i'm leaving this shithole forever, bye you fucking twats
>>341578262
This.
Like, the games always gave 5 Pokeballs? It's because they want you to use THOSE FIVE to catch your team. Not buy more or stronger ones. Because that would mean the game assumes i'm too retarded to build my team with just 5 Pokeballs.
>>341578367
>The game becomes balanced around exp share. The game becomes balanced around you having a legendary early on.
What the fuck?
ORAS was made easier aside from literally one gym, and they still put those things in.
The dumbing down is real and you're a fool to deny it.
>>341578431
I thought the released evos were fake? Am I missing something?
I hope you can turn it off.
>>341578431
Awesome, more porn for me
>>341578441
>check this out /v/
I would but I don't want to find out if it's possible to die of cringe.
>>341578603
Or ignore it since you know type match-ups already
>>341578478
>Because that would mean the game assumes i'm too retarded to build my team with just 5 Pokeballs
The fuck are you on about, m8?
>>341578575
They look 99% legit and there's no proof they're fake.
>>341578516
>ALL the trainers in the game from gym five and on have higher levels
>"was made easier aside from literally one gym"
>>341544871
>>341544313
RIP anything with Wonder Guard.
>>341578783
If i'm too retarded to turn off a key item(like multiple key items already do) or box a Pokemon, i'm too retarded to know i have to buy more Pokeballs.
>>341544313
you don't mind when SMT does it
>>341578791
>No one can prove God doesn't exist so he must
>>341544313
>no hardmode
>no gym rebattles
>megas
>legendaries that are given to you or have insanely high catch rates
>>341578913
Ah, right. I honestly thought you were an actual retard for a second. Carry on.
>>341578991
This. What's the big deal?
If they're going to keep adding legendaries and new types to make the game fresh while also targeting a wide array of audience including kids 10 and below, this kind of shit is inevitable. Next thing you know, theyll add either a huge pointing finger or an automatic function to select which pokeball has the best pokemon to go against the opponent's poketype in the battle when switching pokemons.
>>341544313
i'm still mad about no battle frontier/ no gym rebattles in OR/AS
there will be a pokemon game with 3 legendaries as starters.
>>341578791
>They look 99% legit
You'd be surprised by the number of fakemon that look 100% legit
What the fuck, are some people unironically arguing that knowing a bunch of multipliers is somehow a hallmark of great skill and that this change casualized the harcore pokemon series?
What the flying fuck
>>341578174
nice reddit post
>>341579343
thanks
>>341579293
>>341579023
There's no source on them, they match the usual concept art layout, they're just the kind of disgusting shit starters are nowadays.
They're real.
This truly shifts the skill barrier between good and bad players.
Apparently the only thing differentiating players was access to the fucking internet.
http://pokemondb.net/type
>>341578791
Either this is shit bait or you've got a serious intellectual disability, lad.
>>341578791
>there's no proof they're fake.
it's fake until proven real, kid.
>>341578791
You've literally never seen a fake leak before have you?
>>341579459
Well now you don't have to google it, the game tells you
Why is this a big deal?
>>341579687
Pretty sure the game always told you.
rowlet has legit leaked tho
>>341579049
>my retarded argument is better than yours, r-retard!
okay
>>341579446
If that was what determined whether a leaked pokemon is real or not we'd need a separate cartridge for the pokedex only because of how many entries it would have.
>>341579904
Hey mate, calm down..
>writes incomprehensible nonsense
>ask about it
>explains himself
>give him a thumbs up
>calls me a retard
Like, unless English is your 15th language there's really no excuse for being this much of an idiot. Just calm down.
Also
>r-retard
Why would you imply I'd be shy about insulting you? You're not my dreamboat senpai, faggot. Learn what things mean before randomly posting them.
But yeah, it's a new feature that literally changes nothing for idiots who don't automatically understand the type chart by default since it's completely intuitive. And the designs are done well, meaning you'd have to be an absolute mong to not know something's type instantly anyway. So, if you are mentally deficient this feature helps you keep up with competent human beings. It's a great addition to the series.
You casual fucking homos.
Pokemon was always aimed at children, but if kids could figure it out without this shit for 20 years, why do they need it now?
We are creating a generation of babied morons who won't be able to handle adult videogames when they inherit them as the prime demographic in 8 years. You all are ruining videogames with your contrarianism or brand loyalty or whatever stupid reason you have for defending this nonsense. The primary design philosophy revolves around the rock paper scissors combat and learning type advantages. What does it even mean to be a pokemon master if everyone automatically knows what moves to use? Why even play at all?
>>341544313
How can anyone be this autistic to get mad and overreact for something like that? Are yoi guys this pathetic or is it intense shit posting?
>>341580472
I agree
we need to take down every type chart down from the internet so children have to figure it out on their own
who is with me?
>>341580472
>You casual fucking homos.
You're talking about Pokemon
The most casual fucking popular series there is, that a literal retard could beat by mashing a for a few dozen hours
Figuring out the type advantages wasn't some rite of passage to become a hardcore gaymur, it was a 3 second google search
>>341580368
How did i write incomprehensible nonsense?
You wrote
>they turn on exp share automatically thinking the player is too retarded to go into a menu
>they gave the player a legendary thinking he's retarded hopeless idiot and needs it to beat the game
I wrote
>they gave the player 5 Pokeballs and don't expect him to buy more because he's a retarded hopeless idiot that can't go into a store to buy
And all of three are false because the player can provide to all three. Only an autist would care about the "principle".
>>341575737
Dark type isn't so much shadows and shit so much as it's "dirty fighting" "and underhanded tactics. if that makes sense.
Whereas Fighting is pure fighting.
All shitposting aside. Did you guys saw popillowhatever stats? Is leaning to be a rounded tank with nice sp.attack. so the whole water/fighting prediction bullshit is either out of the window or we getting some kind of fighting special mix attacker like Luke
>>341580778
I never wrote that, mate. No idea what you're on about. You're literally not making any sense.
>>341544624
Bro it's part of da gaem
>>341580472
This honestly
>>341545514
Fag
How is this functionally different than this, literally the booklet that came from the first pokemon GBC Game
>>341544313
There's nothing wrong with this
Tons of jrpgs do this
>meet enemy
>try various attacks
>next time you re-encounter the same enemy the info panel shows what the attacks you used did to it
>>341545514
I always remember playing Platinum and there being no fire typeswhich is fine because fire types are for fags, amirite?with a fighting-type heavy team, it just so happened, and when I got to Candice I thought I'd destroy her but then Froslass... Literally couldn't beat a fucking gym leader because I wasn't thinking about type match ups.
I still don't think about it at all, but knowing super-effective moves ahead of time isn't going to get idiots a free pass for obstacles like that.
Same thing sort of applies to Elesa or whatever her name is in Unova with the volt-switch Emolga banter. Super-effective moves aren't helping you there either.
And the chart is fucking obvious anyway, it's just a teaching tool for babies so they don't feel obliged to stick a hand-holding cut scene in to re-explain the chart and bother anyone who already knows it all.
>>341580894
wow thanks for the faggot pokemon info you massive retard
Because faggots are triggered, let me tell you something.
This info only appears if the opposing Pokemon is already registered in your Pokedex.
If you're facing a new Pokemon, YOU DO NOT GET THIS INFORMATION!
>>341581110
Because the booklet doesn't tell you the typing of each and every Pokemon you encounter.
>>341581419
Platinum was good for fire types. D/P was when it was god damn ridiculous with just Infernape and Rapidash.
Anyone else hope it just a batitle tutorial? Is that more gameplay of this?
>>341581526
It did in every game after the GBC games
easily the best new feature desu
>>341581526
Neither does this new function.
>>341581549
Well, I wasn't using any regardless, so.Platinum is the best in series, also
Jesus christ, the casualization is real. It's not fair that people without access to the internet can be on the same playing field as me.
>>341567771
>Luvdisc doesn't evolve into this thing
Still the biggest mind fuck in Pokemon.
>>341581516
The same few pokemon always show up throughout every game though
>>341544313
i didnt play pokemon in years and when i played x/y all i did was look at a fucking chart, lol. not like it matters anyway, regardless of what damage types you use, you still steamroll everything in the fucking game because its a game made for literal toddlers. this does nothing but save time
>>341581717
>Platinum is the best in series
What a strange way to spell Emerald
>>341581631
No they didn't.
They don't list all Pokemon with the typings in the booklets.
>>341581717
>>341581886
Both misspelled White 2
>>341581810
Why are you playing a game for fucking literal toddlers you fag retard
>>341544313
Difficulty in a game should not come from something so trite and mindless as rote memorization in the first place. If it does, you have some serious design flaws.
>>341581967
Crystal you fucking under age cunts
>>341581886
The physical/special split called. Wanted to know why you prefer when the mechanics didn't make any sense.
>>341581967
BW/B2W2 are only really good as a set, but the region was a gelatinous shit compared to Sinnoh and the story was a way lamer too.But if it's not Platinum then it's definitely Gen5 as a whole.
>>341581934
Typing has appeared on pokemon you see in battles since the combo game of gen 2 and gen 3 onwards. And just like in this instance, the "its super effective" only appears if you have the pokemon in your pokedex
>>341582084
No you have the best game ever for retards aka everyone
>>341582085
>that fuck awful level curve
>that fucking neutered "kanto" region
>that shit champion battle
>all those new pokemon you couldn't get until Mt. Silver
The Red battle was great though.
>>341582174
Wtf is this fake retard shit
>>341582171
Actual good games with gyms that aren't all piss easy called. They want to know qhy you are such a fag.
>>341552092
You're right man lemme go google what types fairy is weak to... I'll just stop playing my game to go check up on the pc to see my spreadsheet of type effectiveness
>>341582008
good question, why are you? and why are you getting so indignant over the truth? the games are designed to be accessible and finishable for children, not that that's a bad thing, but it doesnt really make for a compelling or challenging single player experience so i stopped playing it myself once the nostalgia goggles wore off
>>341582356
Are you fucking joking? I'm not even him but Platinum is without a doubt the most challenging game, more so than fucking Emerald.
>>341582356
>Actual good games with gyms that aren't all piss easy called
So no game outside Platinum?
>>341580472
This is why pokefags are mad. They realize their game is shallow as fuck when you actually understand what's going in. If you want to challenge a child don't give them pokemon in the first place.
>complaining game for kids is too easy
Stay classy nintenyearolds
>>341582356
>being born in 1995
I figured out the reason you're so wrong.
>>341582469
Ok fag I didn't read your pussy post And I haven't played pokemon in years but I know you have cuz you gave obscure info about it so why do you hate yourself
>>341558530
what do you think hes implying you fucking dork
I hope they make IV training much easier and keep the PSS in. That's all I really want
>>341582495
>>341582502
The only remotely difficult gym leader was the grass one. Did we play the same game?
>>341582978
Platinum is fucking notorious for nuzlockes for its challenge. Fantina is a mess and Wake's coverage is insane too.
>>341578791
>they look legit
>that edgelord for my nigga popplio
Popplio is very likely going to be water/fairy, edgelord doesn't fit that.
>>341583086
>Fantina is a mess and Wake's coverage is insane too
I guess I was lucky then. Against the ghost lady i had multiple pokemon with bite and I had a good electric one+Torterra for wake
>>341583435
Different leaks. The one he's on about make Popplio out to be water/fairy
>>341544313
How can you possibly be mad about this?
You act as if knowing the typing of every Pokemon is some kind of "skill". Don't make me fucking laugh. People who don't know would just google it or have the info in a booklet, printed out or saved elsewhere.
This is nothing but a quality of life improvement that changes literally nothing about the game's "difficulty" or """""skill"""""
Fucking retard
t. guy playing pokemon competitively
>>341583435
I think he's talking about the leak with buff litten, faggy poppilo and archer rowlet
>>341583435
He's not talking about those.
I think it's bullshit that it tells you what type your moves are I mean it's called FLAMEthrower you fucking mongs game is so casual that it doesn't expect you to memorize anything
>game tells you how much health the enemy has
What the fuck gamefreak
Now casuals can see the exact number of HP I have instead of having to estimate it by looking at the green bar
>>341575795
>spraying water on something annoys it
IT MUST BE MADE OF ROCK!!
>>341576479
If he likes Pokemon that means he's probably a Nintendo fan and is used to 2hr+ tutorials for simple games going over every single mechanic multiple times.
>>341545810
>muh SMT
Fucking embarassing. That shit pile of a franchise only has 3 good games.
>>341544313
Please tell me you can remove this
>>341544313
Because? I still have to keep checking some obscure combinations, and now this will save me time. Great adition. Sorry it triggers your autism.
>>341577407
Nah, in old fairytales, iron was basically used as a fairy repellent. Little child-stealing shits couldn't stand the stuff.
Go watch the footage again after you've calmed down, it only works against Pokemon you've already faced before. But I'm more than certain there are people here that are angry they're dropping the Imperial system and are still mad about infinite use TMs so whatever.
>>341582356
The only game with difficult gyms is HG/SS due to the insane level curve
literally plays the game for you.
>People are somehow legitimately mad at this
>Despite it just adding in something that was needed after they started pulling shit like double types and making a web of effectiveness
>>341582084
Sounds like Dark Souls has some serious design flaws.
>>341586795
Are you a retard or just underage? Double typing was in since gen 1
>>341586795
Are you fucking retarded? How does it add anything? If anything, it takes away from the gameplay. It just holds your hand through a pretty big part of the gameplay.
And why should you be?
Instead of having to try and remember what type you're battling
Instead of trying to remember what beats out what
(Which are both extremely easy pieces of information to obtain) you now have the convenience of seeing it on screen.
You're just a bitter cunt who for some reason wants to justify the inconveniences of a casual game just to make it appear less casual.
Even SMT was doing this and that game has a lot more substance/depth than pokemon, didn't take anything away from it though.
>>341544624
>huh, a fire type, I wonder what are his weakness?
you are literally like Satoshi/Ash of retarded levels
>>341587070
>looking up typecharts
>a pretty big part of the gameplay.
>>341578262
>It's the principle that matters.
Holy shit, Pokefags are now using the same arguement as FEfags? It's like a catchphrase for the general nintendo fanbase.
>>341584008
Well for the sake of argument I bet if you sprayed a tree with water it would be pretty stoked
>>341575816
>I will kill you one day
rofl
I'm surprised everyone in this thread hasn't brought up SJWs yet.
Do we know if they've solved the problem with HMs yet?
>>341547936
>He didn't have/could use the internet when pokemon came out.
>He thinks adding, "Lol you kids, in my age..." to his sentence makes him look less like a retard.
1987 here, you are just a cuntand probably not in this thread anymore anyway
>>341587895
Nah the jews are behind this one.
>>341544624
>>341544565
What I don't get is, part of the game is discovering and learning about pokemon then using said knowledge in battle.
This is just giving the solution away, completely eliminating the need to play
But whatever, you shitlords defended Pokebank and black protags.
>>341588215
not to mention serebii was up in 2001 i believe? and everyone was using that (still are).
>>341545850
I doubt it would, just like it won't show weakness berries or balloons.
>>341588946
>game is about discovering and learning
>lower screen (which is the pokedex) shows Pokemon types and weaknesses after you have encountered/caught them
>somehow these two things contradict each other
Maybe you're just trying really hard to be upset by literally nothing.
Like, I get the whole "if you spoonfeed these idiots they'll never learn to do anything for themselves" thing, but I also get the "these idiots demand everything be spoonfed to them because they're idiots and they won't buy our shit unless we pander to them" thing and I feel the second is more logical, financially.
And it's literally a non-intrusive feature that won't change anything about your experience anyway.
>>341544313
this only shows when the other pokemon is actully in your pokedex.
This doesnt show up when you first battle a pokemon you nards
>>341589715
>you're just upset
You're literally not even quoting me, completely eliminating any reason you have for replying to me. If you just want to talk to yourself, don't bring me into it
I'm glad the Pokedex is actually being useful for once. Seems ridiculous that it's supposed to be the most advanced Pokemon encyclopedia in existence, and yet almost nothing of any meaning beyond fluff is in it.
Actually, why not expand that? Make information you actually care about like moves and evolution methods available in-game from the Pokedex rather than having ten tabs open on your phone.
>>341561994
Hoping for Fire/Poison
>playing Pokemon competitively
>At THIS time of year
>At THIS time of the generation
>In a western country
>LOCALIZED entirely within your bedroom
>>341590051
>not even quoting me
Not only did I quote you, I also properly responded to your entire post.
Like, if you don't know how to read that's fine, but there's no need to digress about it to strangers on the internet.
Or maybe you've just developed some sort wacky pseud-dyslexia from the traumatic experience you've encountered having been shown a new minor thing in a children's game that barely changes anything.
>>341590356
>Anythingatall used Earthquake!
>>341590504
You're taking something I've said, out of context, misinterpreting it, jumping to a wrong conclusion, then responding to that conclusion with all manner of fallacies I refuse to list since it's not my job to teach you how to talk to your elders
>>341586795
/v/ legimately has a group of people who think that difficulty comes from a high floor rather than a high ceiling
To them, memorizing 18*18 grid is difficulty/challenge.
>>341590698
>elders
Yeah, I'm sure you're 467 years old. Let me spell it out for you one more time, since you're clearly the sort of spoonfeeding dependent stupid idiot that this new feature is aimed at.
>the feature
uses the lower/pokedex screen to display information about types that the player character [programmes into the device as is his task when given the pokedex].
>you
>What I don't get is, part of the game is discovering and learning about pokemon then using said knowledge in battle
Literally complaining about a feature that actually displays the character using his/her information collected when battling Pokemon in subsequent battles with the same Pokemon.
You're literally contradicting yourself and if you still don't understand that then maybe you need to forget Pokemon altogther and invest in some "learn to speak English" or "Learn to not be an idiot" V-Tech shit or something.
Like, jeez.
>>341591379
Again with the fallacy trash. I literally don't read anything past the first encounter you should know that. So don't bother
>>341591496
>doesn't know what fallacy means
>types ambiguous nonsense.
>is probably 14 years old who reads a thesaurus between 4chan shitposts
You're a terrible person and I'm sure you'll buy both versions of the new Pokemon and rely heavily on this feature you dislike
>>341591851
>doesn't know what fallacy means
Burden of proof is upon you.
>types ambiguous
Nah, just because you lack reading comprehension then jump to conclusions doesn't mean I'm at fault
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