>Bowser is the main villain
>Koopalings
>Overworld and "Courses"
>Bland Toad NPCs
Why can't Miyamoto let Super Mario Bros 3 go? It's been 20 years.
>miyamoto did this
boy you sure are retarded if you think this
>>341529550
hes autisticly militant against ANY form of creativity in settings or story with Mario. I mean look at the cover. there's another fucking airship for christ's sake. He can't stop living in the 80s.
>>341529914
Miyamoto is not in charge of this game
>>341530047
It's a known fact that his presence and authority have the teams working with his vision in mind, even if he doesn't involve himself personally.
>>341529914
he made one, small suggestion. The fucktard in change took it too heart more than he should have.
>>341529224
>it's another "Mario is whacking shit with his hammer" cover
>>341530259
first of all he said "no more games like TTYD", that's not a suggestion. Then he said, "no deep stories in mario games". There's aren't suggestions. When a creative director makes a "Suggestion" to you whether it be advertising, video games, movies, tv shows, any creative line of work, you take the fucking suggestion or you find a new place to work. This goes double for japanese business culture.
>>341530249
Zelda Breath of the Wild proves that is false. Also, ready some fucking interviews.
I'm still disappointed with the game. It has good points but NONE OF IT IS THE GAMEPLAY.
Watching the stream all I was thinking was, if they changed the plot and had the traditional gameplay, it would be a fantastic game. Hell, even when they showed the Morton fight, I was kind of excited because it's cool to see the Kooplaings be bosses, and the animations and aesthetics all looked really great. So shit I kinda thought it wouldn't be that bad. Mario's jumping on him and hammerin him. There's no gimmicks at least.
>Oh the hammer's on fire
>I was thinking
>Ice Flower
>Kinda unconventional but at least it...
>They're not choosing the ice flower
>Fire Extinguisher
>Oh
And instant Sticker Star 2.0 it became. Such a disap[ointment. I might pick it up in two years if it drops to like 20 bucks, but I sure as hell won't be paying 60 buckaroos for a fucking HD rehash
>>341530798
> "no deep stories in mario games"
Meh, I agree.
>>341530798
He never said "no more games like TTYD" he said "Don't rehash TTYD". Watch the Gamexplain interview, it's all IS.
>>341529224
>Charming, cute dialog and humor
>Toads all have their own personalities that distinguish themselves from each other despite looking the same
>Weird environmental puzzles and unexpected setpiece arrangements like the ground coming alive and chasing Mario
>Characters that have never been in a Paper Mario game before show up, such as the blargg monster that Mario rides on in the lava area.
>Fucking hilarious and amazing battle event animations that it looks like they spent a LOT of budget on just to make it look good (pic related)
I don't even care that much that it's not a proper RPG, the game looks really comfy, I'm excited to play it desu
>>341531160
>don't rehash TTYD
>rehash New Super Mario Bros.
>rehash Sticker Star
>rehash handheld Zeldas
>rehash everything except good games
>>341531279
Yeah at least it looks better than Sticker Star. Still, we need a new TTYD-style Mario RPG.
>still blaming Miyamoto
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oD2YdfSCw5Y
Here. Have one of the devs confirm they've killed the series because they didn't want two RPGs and that they came up with the combat at a party.
>>341531279
>>Fucking hilarious and amazing battle event animations that it looks like they spent a LOT of budget on just to make it look good (pic related)
cringe
that isn't "fucking hilarious" you weeb redditor
>>341532267
>devs confirm they've killed the series because they didn't want two RPGs
the devs don't decide that, nintendo does.
>>341532741
>goalposts
how retarded are you?
>>341532618
i dont see how him thinking somethings funny is cringe
not everyone has to be unnecessarily contrarian like you
Paper Wario when?
>>341532808
how is that moving the goalposts you retarded shitposter? it's not up to IS to decide how many RPGs nintendo makes. Nintendo made the call to make M&L their go to RPG, then delegated IS to make shitty games.
>>341532858
>him
nice try shitposter
>>341530249
Miyamoto was primarily against their retarded shapely OC's in Super Paper Mario, but he did fuck up about the story.
>>341533284
>Nintendo made the call
Alpha Dream doesn't even listen to Nintendo
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Someone is spamming likes on the german version of the trailer
>>341529550
YOU are the retarded and uninformed.
It's been specifically stated that Miyamoto doesn't want PM to be an RPG and asked the team to make all Toads look the same.
He also changed SS very late in development, hence the huge empty areas and broken Sticker system.
>>341531279
This.
It's like IS tried their best to make a great game around the retarded Miyamoto shit.
I'm getting this.
>>341529224
/v/! You BELONG IN THIS BOAT!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_hbcsO2LVg
>>341532267
How retarded are you?
The Miyamoto thing was stated on an interview with the developers long ago.
That anecdote explains the cards, nothing else.
>>341529914
Someone, please, post that image of SS's Iwata Asks.
I think Miyamoto is simply oblivious on what fans want from the series due to Super Paper Mario selling good.
>>341530798
>he said "no more games like TTYD"
No.
>>341535470
>specifically stated that Miyamoto doesn't want PM to be an RPG
No. Tanabe is the one who doens't want it.
>>341535792
Did you make this? The editing is absolute shit and the video hardly makes any sense. Why Bobbery and Rawk? What does Huey have to do with TTYD?
If you're going to make stuff like this, think it through a bit first.
>>341536426
this is correct
Tanabe is the one at fault here
>its just a rehash of sticker star
I'm not going to spend my money on it. I didn't finish sticker star because I found it boring and couldn't get into it. What a disappointment.
>>341536508
The shit paint can is named "Huey".
>Le blame Miyamoto for everything meme
He has nothing to do with PM. He doesn't have everything to do with every game idiot. This was Tanabe's doing.
>>341536757
So that's the joke? A character with the same name as another character.
http://www.strawpoll.me/10496760
>http://www.strawpoll.me/10496760
http://www.strawpoll.me/10496760
>http://www.strawpoll.me/10496760
http://www.strawpoll.me/10496760
important poll
Any source on this debate?
Is it Shiggy or Tanabe?
>>341537235
Pretty much.
They uploaded the whole E3 Treehouse demonstration on their Youtube now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lh16YgtySJI
>>341537976
I thought they pussied out because of the time it took.
Welp time to see that bar split
>>341531054
>was kind of excited because it's cool to see the Kooplaings be bosses
Man, they're ALWAYS bosses. That's why I hate them. Why make new boss fights when you can just shove them in?
>>341530652
Well admittedly the paint hammer is a key fucking mechanic in the game.
Would it be viable to say this game is "Terrible ideas ; Good execution"?
Why does IS keep fucking up again and again?
It's like Sticker Star permanently warped their mind or something.
>>341537976
>tfw you would even settle for Super Paper Mario 2 at this point
it hurts, /v/
>>341538083
Because the West likes them. In a fucking review for Mario Kart 8, the Koopalings were a fucking plus.
>>341538386
We'll wait and see
>>341538386
no because the gameplay is the single biggest flaw.
it's more like, terrible ideas, god awful execution, enjoyable aesthetic.
Why can't you let go your shit thread from 2 hours ago?
>>341537414
So the series obviously went to shit, but I wonder if characters would be unique again if it comes back to being an RPG?
>>341529914
This. Someone post that Homogenization article.
>>341538626
But the execution is better than Sticker Star despite the base ideas still being bad.
Something like this >>341535627
>It's like IS tried their best to make a great game around the retarded Miyamoto shit.
>>341538543
>We'll never get anything akin to Chapter 3 of TTYD and SPM or Chapter 4 of PM ever again
I used to love this company so much.
>>341538448
they had fun making it
>>341538543
Super Paper Mario at least had Zess T. and recipes.
>>341537414
This design and function restriction makes no fucking sense on an RPG series.
I think the source of this mess is SPM.
>>341538614
>Because the West likes them. In a fucking review for Mario Kart 8, the Koopalings were a fucking plus.
I'm pretty sure people just liked them cause they were more inspired compared to Jr. at the time.
>If you want an RPG go play the mario and luigi series
Thoughts on this comment made by the develops or this mess?
>>341539105
I'm still mad.
>>341538709
What are you doing? That article is reserved solely for 3D World shitposting threads
http://informedpixel.com/is-homogenization-killing-the-mario-franchise/
Do you know what you have wrought?
>>341529224
because it just werks
being all nintendo games meant for children below 15 yrs old their market continuously refresh itself, so they can literally release the same fucking game for more than two decades and still be successful because it will be always new for the kids getting them.
and this is the reason why japan keeps itselft aflot even after being creatively bankrupt for more than 20 years... kids are the easiest target to work with.
>>341538448
They literally came up with the idea for Color Splash at a party.
>>341539105
>Paperfags will interpret this comment like they did the Sticker Star Iwata Asks and start shitting on M&Lbros and complaining that M&L doesn't have the "soul" or "charm" or "subtle nuances" that "true" Paper Mario does
No sir I dont like it and I am not prepared for this
>>341539317
>http://informedpixel.com/is-homogenization-killing-the-mario-franchise/
That's so wrong.
3D World is like that as a sequel to 3D Land, there's nothing more to it.
>>341539376
And were inspired by some kid's love to paint
>>341539376
I can believe that.
It all seems like something half-assed that was thought up whilst drunk.
>>341539105
I understand there being 2 RPG series being weird but they're more different than what meets the eye. Plus since Mario & Luigi are stuck on handhelds nothing of that series will be on as big a scale as TTYD. Also not to shit on M&L since I like it but it's not nearly as fun as Paper Mario to me.
>>341539105
>Fortunately we have a product for people who want a true Mario RPG and its called "Mario & Luigi"
>>341539563
>I can believe that
She actually said it. It was the first question of the interview.
>>341539451
We ain't ever gonna make it
>People are actually defending Miyamoto
>Defending "Does Paper Mario really need a story?" Miyamoto
Call it a suggestion all you want, I honestly do not care anymore.
>>341539840
IT'S A PUN ON MUSHROOMS YOU DIP! MUSHROOMS!!!
>>341539570
I love both series equally and I think there's nothing wrong with two RPG series.
I swear Tanabe is just fucking up this days.
I just don't get why it has to be toads. There are plenty of other characters but why are there so many toads?
>>341540094
>shufflegate
>five guys
Mushrooms?
>>341539451
>>341539846
Well I'm not going to blame you guys. After all, M&L1 and 3 were enjoyable. Ish.
But it is played out, and Paper Mario does a better job of its gags and plots and character interactions.
>>341539472
And 3D Land was like that in the first place
And Sticker Star was like that
And Paper Jam was like that
And all the Mario Party and sports games recently were like that
The article isn't accurate but it's not entirely wrong either.
>>341539980
I think there are too many ways to interpret that interview.
Tanabe said that Miyamoto felt the game was just a GC port, but that also an RPG was fine.
>>341540241
>fun guys
>fungi
>>341539980
No one is defending him but blaming him for a mess he didn't cause is different from defending him. He made a suggestion, Tanabe's retarded team decided the best way to figure out was to ask club fucking Nintendo users on a survey.
Even if Miyamoto said do not make a story he isn't responsible for everything else and then even then he was never in charge and Tanabe could had did his own thing
>>341539105
>Thoughts on this comment made by the develops or this mess?
Just one.
"Go fuck yourself, bud."
>>341539451
Nah, I'm not going to blame M&L for IS being retards.
>>341540241
>shufflegate
People end every controversy with 'gate' as a suffix.
Which is especially dumb since Watergate is an actual place that is not a gate, but what are you going to do.
>>341540560
>watergate reference in Mario
even dumber than a gamergate reference
>>341540560
Either way it's a fucking stupid reference.
But it's NoA, so what can you expect?
Can you even imagine a TTYD-style game with these graphics? Holy shit it would literally be the best thing ever.
Too bad it will never happen.
>>341540361
Anyone that spends any time on those games past the surface will tell you that's wrong.
3D Land implemented a whole new concept and 3D World added several new elements.
This PM issue is something completely different and stems from the game's identity falling into a limbo after the RPG element was removed.
>>341540971
i mean, maybe in 5 years when we can rip the game onto pc and extract the assets, maybe we'll get a fan remake or something.
>>341540863
>>341540965
I see this posted here all the time and everyone thinks it's funny
>>341540971
I kept imagining that during the livestream.
>>341541152
Did that fan project where they replaced all the sprites in the original Paper Mario with more modern sprites ever come out?
>>341541257
Funny thing is, any time someone uses this image to defend Color Splash, we can all just say that we played Sticker Star already.
>>341541876
LMFAO
how do you guys like your toads?
>>341542191
Nondescript.
>Gamexplain interview with a dev working on Color Splash
>"Go play M&L if you want a traditional Mario RPG"
>"The toads all have different personalities but all look the same"
>"Would fans buy an HD version of PM64/TYD?"
How tone deaf is this company?
>>341541257
This was nine years ago. Treehouse's transition to shit was only within the last three or four years.
>>341541096
>New concept
>Just made the 3D games just like a 3D NSMB
>>341542601
>How tone deaf is this company?
How is it so hard to understand?
SS was going to be like TTYD.
The game was changed due to one or two individuals, not the whole company.
>>341542647
Confirmed for not playing either.
Thanks for proving my point.
>>341542601
>How tone deaf is this company?
Tone deaf enough that they had to get an angry Japanese man to step in front of a camera and say "Please understand and buy my game we worked on it for 7 years"
>>341543243
That's Intelligent Systems though, not Nintendo of Japan.
>Koopalings
>bad
I'm not defending Color Splash, but I hate that the Koopalings are lumped in with the bad points about the games. I love these guys.
>>341542876
And yet instead of going back to their original idea of a sequel to TYD, they decided to stay with the safer option of Sticker Star 2.
So yes the company is tone deaf.
>>341543684
My nigga.
Don't mind shitposters shitting on everything blindly.
It's pretty clear what's actually wrong.
>>341543618
Tanabe worked on Sticker Star and Federation Force.
>>341543684
Well to be honest I like the Koopalings too. I welcomed their return and like the redesigns, voices, and distinct personalities (especially as of Paper Jam). I don't even necessarily mind them being boss fights, but I would like to see some other original creations for boss fights as well. Even Sticker Star had stuff like Tower Power Pokey and Mizzter Blizzard for original stuff.
The game is flawed though.
>>341543684
>>341544020
Maybe if they werent in EVERY SINGLE MARIO GAME since NSMB i wouldn't hate them.
Hell they were in fucking SSS too, They should have just stayed in SMB3.
>>341541445
no, and he started fucking around and instead of remastering the sprites, he started remaking them with his own shitty fan fiction OC.
>>341544294
Their return was met with high acclaim in superstar saga, dont downplay that.
Nobody hates the koopalings, they just shouldnt be shoved into every single game and spinoff.
>>341544457
We're way past that phrase faggot. The texture pack will include an option to switch on his shitty fanfiction or just leave it as the original
>>341529224
He needs to shit on everything that comes after his masterpiece so nothing can upstage it.
>>341533021
This, Paper Mario is as dead as Orlando at this point
>>341529550
>miyamoto didn't do this!
If your boss's boss comes in and says 'make this change', you make that fucking change.
Miyamoto is notorious for coming into a project and wrestling away creative control for his own vision. That's the reason the Prime series happened. That's also why Project HAMMER failed.
>>341544861
Prime was good though.
>>341533021
I'd play it.
>>341544651
Yes, so it's either you use his personal idea of how the sprites should look, or you use the original n64 sprites. The only remastered sprite that has an option between his version and a remastered version of the old sprite is Twink, and that was because someone sent him a vectorized twink sprite that he just popped in instead of the lumas.
>>341544953
He hits some, he misses some.
>>341544457
>>341545026
A remaster by Nintendo themselves would just do that same shit anyway desu.
>>341544861
Miyamoto is the kind of guy who comes in, makes a friendly suggestion, and then slowly walks out of the room while maintaining direct eye contact with you.
And if you refuse, he tells you about Gunpei Yoko and what happened to him.
>>341543684
At least it's not Baby Bowser again.
I would probably throw my Wii-u out the window.
>>341545164
More like he hits one, misses the rest.
>>341544953
Prime is still the feeling of isolation, exploration, combat against alien races and even deeper lore.
>>341545026
>>341544457
His project, his choice. Honestly, why do you think you get a choice if hes the one doing the work?
>>341545370
>Birdo
Fucking TumblrLooks neat actually
>>341545370
That Birdo sprite is terrible.
>>341545370
What's wrong with Birdo?
>>341543684
The problem is, the Koopalings have been in every fucking vaguely important Mario game since New Super Mario Bros. Wii. They are not meant for the RPG games. The RPG games are meant to create original characters with backstories and shit.
>>341545370
Fuck I'd play that.
>>341545427
I didn't say anything about that, I'm just saying it's going to look gay as fuck. It's up to him what he does, I'm not playing it one way or the other. More power to him for actually following through.
So who are you guys gonna blame when Miyamoto finally kicks the bucket?
From the way he looked at E3 it doesn't look like it's going to be too many years now.
>>341546596
Ikuno.
>>341546596
Iwata.
>>341544861
Miyamoto wasn't the boss of the Sticker Star project though, Tanabe was. The team like most teams at Nintendo go to him for his opinions and thoughts often because well he's Miyamoto. That doesn't mean he's in charge I don't know what about this your missing
>>341544861
He also wanted mario to be the star of splatoon and wanted changes in it it..the team said no..paper mario devs should grow a pair
>>341545963
If you knew anything about how the project started, it was for his own sake and graphic design work for fun, People pressured him to release his texture pack to the public, so he finally said okay, and then they got bent out of shape when he made twink a luma.
Again, his project. People had no right to complain, he didnt say he was making it for everyone, they forced him to.
>>341545427
Way to completely misrepresent the issue you fucking retard. Of course it's his project and the editorial direction is his. That's a given.
It's also completely irrelevant. He's not immune from criticism.
>>341538614
>>341539029
That was before everyone hated them because of the DLC and alt skins in Smash 4 making it obvious they were roster filler
>>341547221
Isn't the Splatoon team supposed to be the new rising "main" devs of Nintendo?
I hope so.
>>341547427
There's nothing wrong with the Koopaling skins in Smash 4.
>>341547432
Hopefully the younger guys will take over seeing how good splatoon was and seeing how much zelda is changing as well
>>341547298
and again, i don't give a shit about any of that, but his OC designs are shit
>>341545295
True, I would prefer Bowser Jr over that and the Koopalings.
>>341547569
It's not that, it's because due to the skins that people feel cheated with them on MK8's roster
>>341538386
other way around
>>341546596
I wish Iwata didn't die and miyamoto died instead.
I don;'t get it.
I've played the first two Paper Mario games. They're bog standard turn based RPGs. The second one has too much padding. They're alright, but I don't fucking understand why they illicit so much god damn wailing and gnashing of teeth that we won't get another one like them.
They're NOT THAT GOOD. Why not just ignore the new ones instead of treating them like they're a huge betrayal?
>>341547221
that's not how it happened. it started as a Mario game and it evolved into its current form. There was no upending of the plans at all, and he didn't resist them whatsoever.
>>341531054
>bought Sticker Star because it was on sale
>it turns out that was its new price and I was bamboozled by a shitty flyers SALE text
not falling for that meme again, I'll pirate this oneand then never play it, enjoy your -1 sale Nintendo :^)
>>341548204
>people feel cheated
my god this is pathetic
Mario Kart characters are ALL FUCKING SKINS over the same handful of character classes, genius
>>341548728
Maybe try playing Sticker Star before you say that?? It turned from an RPG to adventure
>>341549149
I did play Sticker Star. I found it boring but inoffensive.
>>341543684
>>341544020
Do you like how they made Morton absolutely retarded?
"BRING ME PEDAL STOOL!"
>>341549410
he's always appeared pretty stupid?
like that was basically his personality in the cartoon
>>341548728
>They're NOT THAT GOOD.
In your opinion that's the case but while it's not as big as Zelda or anything the series did manage to gather a decently sized fanbase over the years based on the first 2/3 games. Personally PM64 is my favorite game period so it pains me to see the features I like so much removed/changed in ways I didn't find enjoyable in Sticker Star. After hearing the Assistant-Producers interview though I'm gonna do what you said at the end there, I'm done with the series completely & am just gonna ignore it from now on.
>>341549615
Yeah but not Hulkspeak level of retardation. He spoke coherent full sentences in Paper Jam.He even did some clever things like fuck with your interface and told Iggy and Lemmy it wasn't a good idea to fight you after watching you defeat all the Koopalings before him.
>>341549410
>Morton was NEVER stupid guys!
what the fuck
this is like the second fucking game he's had dialogue in period, how can you infer that he's been made absolutely retarded when there's so little precedent for his spoken character? all of his non-speaking appearances suggest that he's a pretty stupid fucking guy
it's clear they're experimenting with how they can characterize the koopalings now that they CAN talk
>>341550035
>completely missing the point
wew
>>341549221
>I've played the first two Paper Mario games.
Uh, buddy.. they removed everything that made it paper mario, the fact that paper mario was Super Mario RPG 2 makes it a whole lot worse. I cared about this series when growing up and you cannot tell me that you want stale characters, no story, no level ups, and a shitty revamp of everything.
Without Miyamoto's involvement this game would've sucked ass.
Miyamoto is the only thing keeping Nintendo from becoming another Square Enix. Once he's gone this company is gonna go to shit.I can't wait
>>341550178
please enrich me with your argument of how Morton had such profound and witty dialogue that was wrongfully taken away from us by those damn hacks at Intelligent Systems
>there's so many rabid nintendo fanboys even today that this game will be hit over a million sales
>nobody will EVER fucking vote with their wallet because they have zero fucking self control
whatever, I don't even care anymore. I'm fucking done, I actually don't even want to remember this series exists anymore
>>341550349
pretty much dude and I LOVED nintendo. Well atleast sony has some good games now.
>>341549941
Paper Mario is another universe inside the book, so it's perfectly fine if they're different
I mean, Paper Luigi already acts different from normal Luigi
>>341550280
>without the guy who puts "innovation" before practically and hates having the Mario series deviate from NSMB assets everything would go to shit
>>341550280
Miyamoto was the obstacle that held Star Fox Zero back from its full potential
I still don't get how Myamoto or whoever is responsible was so blind to the popularity of the first two paper marios. I can't even think of a flaw between those two games, and I don't know anyone who dislikes the game.
If you like sticker star then that's fine, maybe Colour Splash will be good but it will never be as good as it could have been if they made it a real RPG with new characters. It just boggles my mind how they really don't want to do it, they don't want to make an instant classic, they don't want to make a perfect game.
>>341550349
Bruh, it's just a video game.
>>341550280
nintendo is already shit and has been for years now
miyamotos absents will only make it worse
>>341550319
see
>>341549941
oh yeah and point out where I said morton was never stupid
>>341550184
dude, I grew up with the Sonic franchise, your entitled ass doesn't get to talk about them changing everything and making it worse.
and you know what I did there? I just accepted it wasn't for me anymore and moved on with my life.
>>341550575
SFZ was good. It was basically an update SF64 which is what people have been asking for for years.
Why are you so concerned with how many sales a game gets as if it means anything to average people? Is that how retards like you determine a game's worth?
>>341550657
why are you even here? Literally everything said on this fucking board could be dismissed with "lol it's just a game dude calm down XD"
In fact I might force that shitposting, maybe it'll help cleanse the shitposting plague
>>341550647
They weren't blind, they just have a "you can't repeat success" mindset. It doesn't help that Miyamoto thinks every game needs some quirky gameplay gimmick shoved in instead of sticking to what works. Except pokemon, for some reason that gets a pass.
>>341551021
If they stuck to what works we would've gotten another SMRPG instead of that Paper Mario garbage.
>>341550881
It's the kids that just started band-wagoning on gaming. They don't know the feeling of seeing something you love turn to shit. So of course they're gonna say "Its just a game bruh"
>>341551186
It is just a game, though. It's not even something you had a part in making.
>>341551021
Miyamoto hadn't been directly in charge of a game for a number of years before SF Zero. Like, he didn't even direct Pikmin 3.
People vastly overstate the influence he has on projects.
>>341551174
No because the rights to the SMRPG series was owned by Square and the deal between them to make a sequel fell through, so Nintendo had to tweak things and make their own thing. Ever noticed how Geno appeared in M&L but in the credits it said the character geno is copyrighted by Squarenix.
>>341550861
I didn't mention sales at all
>>341529224
So apparently this game came about when the Sticker Star staff had an "end of development" party and basically said, "Hey, let's do this again for Wii U!"
They didn't have any feedback from fans about Sticker Star's overall concept when they decided to make a sequel.
They also think Paper Mario doesn't need to be an RPG anymore because the Mario & Luigi series already does that. You know, a series that was born after Paper Mario... A series that also has run itself into the ground...
Mario RPGs are dead. Wake me up when Square intervenes with SMRPG2.
>>341551704
Hang on Anon, we'll go sleep together
>>341551704
>relying on Square to do anything right
>>341551704
Forgot source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlcNubU6bYA
>>341551704
surprise, game development takes time
>>341551704
hey hey hey
be mad about paper mario but dont you go and shit on m&lbros for it, they dindu nuffin. NUFFIN
>>341551798
They can't do much worse than IS.
>>341551704
>A series that also has run itself into the ground...
Why do people keep saying this? Honestly curious. Dream Team and Paper Jam aren't perfect but they're surely a hell of a lot better then Sticker Star and soon to be Color Splash potentially.
I sure as hell think Sticker Star is the weakest in the whole RPG series and I currently think Color Splash was a bad direction to go, but M&L is still strong.
>>341551301
We the customers are buying the games, are you saying that customers don't make a statement for making games? If the game didn't sell, theyre gonna chance the game making it fit more into the majority customers liking. This goes for anything, I worked at Arbys for the longest time and sales do matter and means to get rid of certain products and make them better.
>>341530652
>>341529224
>it's another "Mario stares soullessly into thin air while performing heavy physical tasks" cover
>>341552031
>Why do people keep saying this?
Likely bitter Paperfags who need to bring everyone else down.
>>341551704
>square
>making good RPGS
what year is this?
>>341551704
The best part of that interview is right here
>Would you consider making the first two games in HD?
>"Would you buy it?"
What do you think guys? Would we buy a TYD HD? I dunno man seems like a tough decision. We need a forensic experts team to find out the solution. Call Conner.
>>341551704
It'll be ok, just move on for now and come back in 10 years or so, things might change if a long enough time goes by.
>>341551704
>They also think Paper Mario doesn't need to be an RPG anymore because the Mario & Luigi series already does that. You know, a series that was born after Paper Mario... A series that also has run itself into the ground...
This. If anything it should be the ML series that should be less prioritized since Paper Mario was the Mario RPG first and was the successor of SMRPG. I don't even know why having 2 Mario RPG series is a bad thing, they both had distinct styles and vibes. PM was like an epic journey while ML felt like a Saturday Morning episodic cartoon. Plus they both had mechanics unique to each other. PM had partners and badges, ML had dodging and counters.
>>341552031
Hey, they aren't bad games at all, but I just don't get excited about M&L games anymore. And it's this feeling of apathy that really concerns me about the direction they've taken the series in the past two installments.
>>341538779
How is the execution better?
I will admit the humor so far seems at least closer to the classic series, but the partner has shown to be literally been stickercrownbitch repainted, Toad's are as diverse as always (not at all) and the object stickers and every other battle mechanic is even more obnoxiously slow.
>>341552402
>I don't even know why having 2 Mario RPG series is a bad thing, they both had distinct styles and vibes
This. They played nothing like each other nor had the same style.
>>341552532
When will Game Freak cancel the Mystery Dungeon Series. Too similiar to the main games, cant have them.
>>341552418
>And it's this feeling of apathy that really concerns me about the direction they've taken the series in the past two installments.
Can you elaborate? I mean Dream Team was an original game. It had an original setting, original NPCs other than Toads, original bosses, and one of the main antagonists was someone new. As for Paper Jam, I just heard they played it safe for the crossover, as AlphaDream didn't feel comfortable with making the plot too extravagant.
I mean it's fine to not like the current games, but I'm starting to dislike the possibility, because of that comment that developer made, that more people are just going to start being harsher on the M&L series, when it's not it's fault for Paper Mario going the way it is currently. I say this as someone who loved the first three Paper Marios, and wished they continued that route.
>>341552312
Hell yeah I would buy a HD remastered PM64 or TYYD. Fuck, I would rather have the handheld PM game be a remastered PM64 on the 3DS instead of SS.
>>341551583
You didn't have to. I can read your mind.
>>341552402
>>341552532
I think it was because the staff was 90% new (at least for Sticker Star, no idea on Color Splash's full staff yet) for IS and at a glance M&L does look extremely similar to Paper Mario since you do action-commands & dodging is similar to guarding.
>>341529914
>Against change
>Paper Mario will be fucked up a third time with this installment when all anyone wanted was TTYD 2
>scapegoating Miyamoto when the company is shit.
The removal of the story in Paper Mario Sticker Star was due to RESEARCH THAT INDICATED THAT A MAJORITY OF PEOPLE DIDN'T LIKE THE STORY IN SUPER PAPER MARIO.
Tanabe (producer of Sticker Star): Yeah. With regard to the story, we did a survey over the Super Paper Mario24 game in Club Nintendo25, and not even 1% said the story was interesting. A lot of people said that the Flip26 move for switching between the 3D and 2D dimensions was fun.
Kudo (designer): I originally saw it in a way that's similar to Miyamoto-san. Personally I think all we need is to have an objective to win the boss battle at the end of the game. I didn't think we necessarily needed a lengthy story like in an RPG. Instead, we looked at the characteristics of a portable game that can be played little by little in small pieces and packed in lots of little episodes and ideas. I always did like putting in little ideas, so I actually enjoyed it.
The Sticker Star team CHOSE to strip the game down. They could have told Miyamoto to fuck off like the Splatoon devs rightly did.
>>341553252
Tanabe is definitely the cancer than killed Paper Mario. He's also the reason all the unique characters and villains the PM series was known for was replaced with Toads and Bowser just because he took Miyamoto's suggestion of making the characters look like regulars of the mushroom kingdom way too seriously.
>>341553675
>Pisses off Chibi Robo fans
>Pisses off Metroid fans
>Pisses off Paper Mario fans
>Believes he can make people like what the usually dislike (Tingle)
>>341529224
>Bowser is the main villain
>He kidnaps the princess
>In the final battle he will use the power of the paint stars toget bigger
>>341553252
Important to note is that survey was ridiculously tiny. It was limited to Japan and only had like 500 or something responses from a small segment of people.
>>341536678
which is a shame, because the walk-in bestiary thing was a fairly cool idea, and they used much more "paper" (visible cardboard, etc.) in the aesthetic, which was cool.
But the game was shit. I couldn't finish it either.
mfw the first paper mario came out and we made jokes about "Paper Mario 2: Attack of the Scissors" and "Paper Mario 3: The fan of death!"
Fucking fuck.
>>341550502
holy shit this is some banjo kazooie nuts and bolts shit
>>341551979
>no more Advance Wars
>turns Fire Emblem into waifu weeb shit
>ruins Paper Mario
What happened at IS? Something turned the developer into absolute garbage.
>>341554929
They got a building
>>341554929
>Warioware used to be fun
>The last one that came out was Game&Wario
>>341554929
>>turns Fire Emblem into waifu weeb shit
FE has always been weeb shit.
The waifus aren't even that new, they're just more prominent than older games.
>>341552312
I bought WW HD, TTYD is also on the same list of "yes I would very much buy this again".
Probably the original paper mario too.
>>341539840
>treehouse's god awful forced meming is the fucking nail in the coffin of this game
>>341555250
I haven't played that, was it bad?
Shake it and Smooth Moves were great iirc
>>341555527
What about it?
>>341555332
You honestly must be joking or you're a god damn memer. You know there's a difference between "RPG with anime designs and female party members" and "make a self-insert and marry anyone you want!"
>>341553851
Japan loves Tingle
>>341555568
One Anon thinks that it's some sort of response to people not liking the Sticker Star system or something
>>341539840
Wew
Not gonna bother with this awful game
>Hit up new characters!
>>341555756
Avatars have existed for a fair while and S-support is relatively new iirc, I'll give you that.
>>341540241
Weren't there five burglars of Watergate?
>>341556319
I doubt Treehouse knows that.
>>341539029
People were mad that Bowser's son happened to look like Bowser? Color me fucking shocked. This is the color over substance crap that makes the koopaling fanbase so autistic.
>>341551704
>They also think Paper Mario doesn't need to be an RPG anymore because the Mario & Luigi series already does that. You know, a series that was born after Paper Mario... A series that also has run itself into the ground...
Anon Paper Mario was intentionally made to be a spiritual successor to SMRPG
>>341554124
>and he won't talk about it, which is the only thing that made the star rod plot livable.
>>341549941
That was the first game he ever talked. This is the second. There's virtually no precedent established on any of their personalities, so they're free to tweak it as they go.
>>341556659
And M&L's development team, ironically enough, is the one with most of the SMRPG guys on it.
>>341551021
The only reason Pokemon hasn't been shat to hell is because it's run by a company much more independent than Nintendo's others.
>>341555552
It's not bad, just mediocre and experimental. They did away with the core gameplay in favor of sub games that show off the gamepad's capabilities. Think Nintendoland 2.0. It started life as a WiiU techdemo and Nintendo decided to make it a full fledged game and slap Warioware on it, probably because of the quirky randomness.
Trust me when I say the only modes you well play more than once are Gamer (the standard warioware), Taxi, and the multiplayer games.
I would give it a 6/10
>>341552312
I would hope more people buy the remastered TTYD than CS so they can finally fucking understand what's better.
Maybe the inhabitants of the Paperverse can wish to the Star Spirits to be put in a better game.
>>341557080
>They did away with the core gameplay in favor of sub games that show off the gamepad's capabilities
I mean I believe you but the core gameplay of wario ware has always been mini games, but I assume these are just gamepad gimmick ones?
>>341553851
Is Tanabe really to blame for all that, though?
>>341537401
>people thinking that the game might be good
kek
>>341557248
He was the producer for all 3 games lately, so possibly.We don't know the behind the scenes stuff though so who knows?
>you gain experience from battling.
>the paint works as FP
>the cards do the same thing as badges.
>the cards or attacks do demaga depending on how much you paint the card
>there's strategy behind using your paint in battle.
>when defeating an enemy you gain an enemy card
>use those enemy cards in battle to have "partners" that will fight for you and serve as a human shield.
As a fan of the first two paper Marios I can tell this game holds a better promise than SS.
>>341553851
I honestly believe he has this song playing whenever joining a new team
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5xKu43Kru0
>>341557218
Well in warioware those "minigames" are so short they get the title of "microgames" but Game and Wario is split into I guess we can call them "modes" and one mode is about microgames, if that makes any sense.
>>341558060
Yea dude I've played most of them.
https://youtu.be/YBKWjttXG_4
more likes than dislikes here
>>341557576
>you gain experience from battling.
Why do you lie?
>>341555937
Sticker Star and Color Splash both have Action commands though. That Shy Guy is just saying that to bully you into not using them, in-universe.
>>341557576
There's still the problem of boss battles are made pointless because of the "press x to win" objects like SS had.
>>341558238
they'll be removed once google realizes it's a bot
>TTYD
>generic turnbased RPG
>partners that look like a OC from deviantart
>useless characters that bring nothing to the world of mario
>Color Splash
>inovative Gameplay
>less focus on side characters and more on graphics/gameplay
>a god tier soundtrack
>unique asthetics
And you fuckers are mad
>>341558363
empty waters etc etc
>>341550502
FUCK YOU
>>341557576
The enemy thing is pointless since they dont work in boss battles
You fight basic mooks and use shit to get other shit that doesnt work on the only required fights.
Also the boss battles are nontheless irrelevant due to the instakill stickers
Also a shit ton of that is flat out lies, namely these
>you gain experience from battling.
>the cards do the same thing as badges.
>there's strategy behind using your paint in battle.
>the paint works as FP
>>341557576
>you gain experience from battling.
That's a lie, you gain HP and better cards just like SS.
>All that fight talk
Yet you're still forced to attack the one in front, battles give you nothing and the fact paint acts as F is meaningless on bosses since the stupid "you MUST use one of our WACKY REAL LIFE CARDS to defeat the boss" is still there after seeing the Morton fight.
I want to believe it'll be better, but doesn't seem they learned from SS's shortcomings at all other than maybe you don't lose the cards like you did with stickers.
>>341558363
>and more on gameplay
Miyamoto is a good boy he dindu nuffin it was all IS need money fo muh Zelda
>>341558045
>Yfw he was actually Dimentio
>Yfw Super Paper Mario's true end was an ending where you didn't save everything
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TX4sOGfW9U
>>341556961
Are you kidding me?
Pokemon? The game that has been left behind 20 years ago by every single rpg series?
I mean they are touting unique attack animations like it's the most mindblowing achievement, and it still only aplies to a handful of attacks to a handful of monsters
>>341558253
>>341558572
>>341558593
Look closely whenever an enemy is defeated ON-FIELD (not in battle). They drop hammer icons that fill up a hidden bar in the paint meter that appears and disappears. Look, I'll even fetch a quick example to prove I'm not joshing you.
https://youtu.be/lh16YgtySJI?t=837
The paint hammer levels up.
>>341558363
Apply yourself
>>341559210
>>341559168
I've seen these gifs all over for a while now. Which game are they from? Mario Party or something?
>>341559542
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPr5WpTJV84
>>341559168
Well I'll be motherfucking dammed
Holy shit, they actually learned something.Doesnt stop it from looking bad still with the boss battles and the shitty slow combat, on top of lack of proper story and having to stop and hammer fucking everything flaws
>>341558971
>all my friends excited when Crystal comes out and the sprites move slightly during their cry now
Yeah, you're not wrong about overblowing minor achievements.
Imagine being Iwata. You're damn near dead and your company is going to shit, making games that are terrible regardless of what your fanbase thinks of them, and you know you're on your way out and can't stop it.
Maybe he just gave up, and maybe we need to as well.
>>341560334
Iwata is probably rolling in his grave so hard he's dug into the core
>>341553252
>RESEARCH THAT INDICATED THAT A MAJORITY OF PEOPLE DIDN'T LIKE THE STORY IN SUPER PAPER MARIO.
First of all it was a jap only poll, Second once again another indication that the japanese have absolute shit tastes.
>>341559168
>>341559868
Cool we've taken a small step away from the awfulness that is sticker star.
Now if we can take like, 5 or so more that'd be great.
>>341558971
Not him but as much as people complain about Pokemon being the same thing, at least it hasn't had any huge backlash to the degree stuff like this and Federation Force had. Even if I don't care for it, stuff like Call of Duty shows that the audience generally doesn't mind change and rather seek incremental progression.
>>341560334
maybe he should've did something back in the fucking late 2000s then, he let crap like Wii Music and Zelda Choo Choo Train be a thing and didn't bat an eye while the casual customers fled the wii
>>341560334
At least BotW is good. That's something, right?
>>341560983
IboughtWii Music and I rememberhaving a moderate amount of funwith it. Then again I was 15.
Also choo choo was decent too, iirc. Only annoying part was blowing into the mic after you beat a dungeon.
>>341529224
>suggest Star Fox games aren't nessesary without new gimmicks
>get Zero
>suggest that A FEW HUNDRED fans didn't like SPM story
>remove story from anything involving Paper Mario forevermore even in crossovers
>suggest Dinosaur Planet, Rare's magnum opus for the gamecube be a Star Fox property
>get Star Fox Adventures and Rare gets so asspained they jump ship to microsoft
REMOVE MIYAMOTO
Visually, the game looks great.
Stylistically, I think they are going WAY too fucking hard with the arts and crafts thing.
64 and TTYD had a kind of pop-up book thing going on, but the setting beyond that was played fairly straight and the flat aspect of the characters wasn't played up super hard.
Now everything is visibly made of cardboard and the game can't quite help not beating you over the head while screaming "ITS MADE OF HANDICRAFTS," from the relatively giant real world objects and stuff like the single shy guy rolling up the terrain, using virtual safety scissors to cut out the background, and something like crumpled being a status affliction.
Its far more heavy handed with the paper gimmick than I would expect from the first two games that I loved.
>>341539367
>wrong demographic
okay smartass what was the original demographic for Paper Mario and TTYD and how does it differ from Sticker and Color Shit?
Hang on, guys. Apparently your cards are replenished after every battle. What if the game has a Battle Network sort of system going on?
>>341529224
>Have Toads as npc's but mainly in the hub
>Maybe some other NPC types like the Koopa Village in Paper Mario
>Enemies should be based on Mario games mostly but not ripped straight out of a "how to draw NSMB enemies" handbook. Have some spiny cheep cheeps for all I care, use something from SMW, or even recolor a fucking magikoopa there's no damn rule that says they all have to be blue
>Bowser should be cockblocking you at every turn, not just twiddling his thumbs
Really is that too much to ask? People forget lots of Paper Mario's shit where taken from Yoshi's Island or variations of things that already existed. I'd take this game in a heartbeat if it was like Paper Mario just without the Duplighosts.
>>341561876
All of you faggots saying the series wasnt homogenized answer me why they did this
>enemies are ripped straight out of a "how to draw NSMB enemies" handbook.
>>341550678
>dude, I grew up with the Sonic franchise
and you blew it
Sonic Chronicles that shite DS RPG
>>341558363
you're fishing in empty waters anon
>>341562151
>Paper Mario had it's own unique style
>"fuck that. let's just make them look like NSMB style with an outline"
200%MAD
>>341563026
The new Dry Bones is the only decent looking one and that's just because half of it is identical to the old one.
The new Boo and especially the new Pokey look like trash.
>>341563026
New Dry Bones looks good but the rest are trash.
Especially Boo.
>Never will have cute varied species couples as adorable NPC's.
Do you think Bowser will talk this time? Paper Jam showed there is no excuse for him not to.
>>341564462
This game is keeping alot of stuff SS had for no real reason. So I imagine they will keep Bowser exactly the same.
>>341564448
>Racemixing
>>341563026
I want my damn Koopas with cool shades, collars and bracelets back man.
>>341563026
Dry Bones redesign is great and was a long time coming.
Boo and Pokey redesigns are unforgivable, especially considering how great and stylistic the originals were.
>>341565050
The only reason why they had them to begin with was to differentiate them from the friendly koopas.
Judging by the fact that all NPCs are toads again, you can bet they're not coming back.
>>341565410
I know why they were there but the style was so rad to me, same thing goes for the Hammer Bros.
>>341531279
>>Toads all have their own personalities that distinguish themselves from each other despite looking the same
That's just a lazy excuse to not bother with designing the toad uniquely on the outside.
>>341565629
New Hammer Bros is an improvement though.
>>341565629
I think the dry bones is an improvement since the on-model look is better. I'm mostly bothered by the toothy skull because it doesn't resemble a koopa skull anyways.
I do like the older boos because they look more mischievous.
https://www.change.org/p/nintendo-cancel-paper-mario-color-splash
>>341531280
>>rehash New Super Mario Bros.
>>rehash Sticker Star
>>rehash handheld Zeldas
Not Miyamoto's decisions.
>>341558363
Here's your you.
>>341565817
Okay now we have a problem
Exactly how is the bottom one better? THe top one has a more angular face which adds some personality, and blue helmet>Green helmet
>Paper Versions of the Koopalings count as "new characters"
>Paper Mario will be sticker/card garbage from now on
>Mario Party will always have that stupid fucking car from now on
Why the fuck is everyone at Nintendo pants-on-head retarded
>>341567587
>>Mario Party will always have that stupid fucking car from now on
The new 3DS Mario Party announced doesn't have the car actually.
>>341567587
>>>>Mario Party will always have that stupid fucking car from now on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DngDu6rZk_0
Actually...
>>341567587
mario party doesn't have the car anymore
It's toad only and has no set path, you just walk around and bump into other toads
>the thing everyone thought was a literal cumbucket is a fucking dude named HUEY
>>341567793
That's just one of the modes.
>>341529224
What are you talking about
Its 2004 and the new paper mario is great
My friends are coming over for smash bros melee tonight
And my parents are still alive
>>341567817
Hue
as in color hues
>>341541096
>new concept
>physics worse than a 20 year old game
>0 replayability because it's even more on tracks than fucking galaxy
Mario controls like a sony platformer in 3DL and 3DW, this is impossible to defend, please stop being a drone.
>>341567587
Didn't you hear? Mario Party is about Toad now.
It's time to let go.
If you wanna play an RPG you'll have to play M&L. The dev even said so as much.
Paper Mario is dead.
>>341567587
There's no car but it's still probably "one minigame every 6 turns" bullshit.
Paper Mario 64 is on sale on the eshop
Go buy a few copiesLet's make it sell more than Color Splash ever will
>>341568524
There's 1 more chance Anon, 1, the Assistant-Producer was asked about a remaster of one of the older games & it seemed like there's a possibility of it happening so maybe it could help steer the series back to normal.As if it'd work out in the end.
>>341568858
>Go buy a few copies
You can only buy 1 though, can't you? Gifting isn't a thing on the eShopeven though the Wii Shop Channel had it.
>>341569237
Nintendo are insane but they're generally good at not raping remakes. They'd have to keep goombario and shit.
Right?
>>341567380
Judging from that boxart, Mario will be able to play hisTrump Card
>tfw everyone and their mother could tell you HD Remasters of Paper Mario 64 and TTYD will sell more than this garbage
>IS won't do it because they'd have to acknowledge criticism
>mfw all the trailers are blatantly using bots to up the likes
>>341569565
>Nintendo caves in and remakes PM64
>it has that cardboard and paper mache enviroment
>all the enemies and NPCs have the updated NSMB look
>partners are generic enemies
>action commands thrown in favor of SS battle system
No, I'd rather the series die than to have the good ones raped
>>341570240
>action commands thrown in favor of SS battle system
Wait SS doesnt have action commands?
How do they accomplish the multijumps and shit I see in videos?
>>341570394
It has action commands, just not to the extent the first two have.
>>341570394
SS has action commands but not in the same way as PM did. The retarded part is SS doesn't even tell you there's action commands, I found out they were there by accident. Also SS had this stupid idea that all attacks must hit the enemy in front while PM let you choose.
>>341569237
>gifting isn't a thing on the eShop
That's the dumbest fucking shit
>>341570697
Color Splash lets you choose again thankfully
i never got into mario rpg or paper mario or mario and luigi
whats the draw of turn based rpg in the world of mario? and what makes fans so angry with every release
>>341529224
Do you think they added the Koopalings just because of that part in Paper Jam where they asked "Hey, how come we don't get paper counterparts?" ?
>>341570394
Action-commands are so lame in Sticker Star, there's no variety & it's all timing a correctly, Color Splash shares the same fate with it. PM64 & TTYD were much better with it.
>>341570697
I knew there were action commands in general but not for the Thing stickers, I only found that out after I 100% the game due to an Anon in a different thread a couple months back.
>>341570147
let's bot them with dislikes
>>341570915
Intelligent Systems probably told them what was gonna be in Color Splash a bit when Paper Jam was in development. It's also why Battle Cards are in the game, it's a direct reference to Color Splash.
>>341570857
They also removed the pointless "attacks hitting multiple enemies, so we increased the enemy per battle, amount nullifying the upside" feature of all moves
>>341570887
Both Mario RPGs have action commands. This was especially groundbreaking when all the other turn based RPGs were just
>pick move
>watch flashy animation
>enemy's turn
>watch their animation
>repeat
>>341570857
I was worried when I saw that Morton fight but I assume that was to keep the Shy Guys from bringing out another pedestal.
>>341570915
no, i think they added the koopalings because all mario games need to be parallel to eachother and the devs aren't allowed to make new characters like Kent. C Koopa and Hooktail.
For fucks sake, even the dragon thing in the trailer is NSMBshit from Captain Toad.
>>341571203
what's wrong with using things from Captain Toad
>>341531280
>rehash handheld zeldas
>triforce heroes
>>341567914
this is the saddest thing I have read in ages. damn.
>>341571363
Nothing inherently
It's just the context of it at first appearing to be an original design and then realizing it's just yet another enemy taken from another Mario game
>>341571521
Yeah, that was a let down, I got kind of hyped until I realized it was from Captain Toad. Riding him admittedly looks fun at least.
>>341571664
I must be in denial because I'm actually getting some hope
The cards are not permanently removed like stickers on use, the comedy already seems better, they at fucking least have some variety to the toads, you get special cards from enemies and theres paint hammer exp they drop, and they are doing some more interesting and creative things in the overworld like riding the dragon and being chased by the rolled up ground, and if Mortons the first boss, him having two stages to the puzzle fight could point to more complex bosses later at least.
Of course now they have a new downside of having to fucking hammer every god damn thing, and the other leftover ones form SS
The presence of the Kooplings pretty much confirms Bowser as the villain/final boss huh
>it's a mystery! Who could be behind these colorless toads!?
GEE I FUCKING WONDER
>>341571329
>tumblr
>>341572180
There was also a bowser sticker in the original gameplay footage
I really hope they arent going to seriously try to hide the obvious, and instead blow everyones fucking minds
>>341572029
It's definitely looking better than Sticker Star but I'm avoiding the game at all costs unless I pirate it. I'll come back to this series once they do a remaster of the older games or go back to form, I hope others enjoy it at least I guess. I'll at least have the first 3 games to go back to.
>>341572180
The presence of the airship on the boxart confirms Bowser as the villain/final boss. The fact that Nintendo can't be assed to come up with original enemies or NPCs confirms Bowser as the villain/final boss. I also think it's safe to assume that Bowser will have a second phase where all he does is get huge as per usual.
>>341572180
They keep hyping up that some sinister force is controlling the Koopalings.
But unless this is literally your first Mario game ever then how the fuck are neither Mario or Peach aware that Bowser is behind this?
>>341571329
I liked SMP, not even in retrospect.
It was different, and I didn't like the pixls, but having a talkative Bowser, Peach, and Luigi made up for the lack of OC partners and I liked the story, and even the hybrid platformer-rpg thing it had going on.
Not on par with the original two, but not a terrible game, plus the SUPER at the beginning of the title lead me to believe it was a kind of offshoot, spin-offy thing.
>>341529224
Mainline Mario being samey is fine because it's just a platformer, but I feel like the appeal of the RPGs from the beginning was how unique and interesting they were.
>>341572662
It's not an RPG series anymore, they even said it themselves. It's a action/adventure game focused on puzzles now.
>>341539105
I love Mario and Luigi but, I don't see why one has to go. Mario and Luigi can be the handheld RPGS while Paper Mario is the console one.
Even if one has to go for some reason, it should be Mario and Luigi, no offense to the series. Paper Mario came first and most of the Mario and Luigi RPGs has the same humor, the mix of rpg and platforming, and most of the game mechanics can be rewritten to be put in a Paper Mario game.
Either way, its dumb how they're pushing people who want a Paper Mario RPG to Mario and Luigi.
>>341529224
>Awhile ago in the initial PM butthurt threads
>Post theory that everuone was drunk while coming up with CS
>Its real
>Im not even surprized by a margin.
>>341572882
Didn't they say Tanabe greenlit it right there at the afterparty?
Yep definitely drunk.
>>341573039
They had time to fucking think about what they were doing, they had to time to see how shit SS did. They did not.
>>341572882
>>341573039
They don't specifically say that but the topic is in the beginning of the GameXplain video interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlcNubU6bYA
Ending pisses me off since it seems like they really are just gonna pull a new Paper-related thing for the gimmick of each game and people were making fun of that months ago.
>>341533971
>makes Nintendo games
>doesn't listen to Nintendo
That's just not how business works
>>341573413
The biggest problem is they didnt even make a new thing, they re-did SS
>You will never have a White Mage Magikoopa as a partner
why even live?
>>341572180
>>341572267
>I really hope they arent going to seriously try to hide the obvious, and instead blow everyones fucking minds
Well at the end of the morton battle he mentions how he failed his "master" and Huey asks "Who could have ordered Morton to do such a thing?". Granted Huey has been sealed underground for who knows how long so he probably doesn't know who Morton or Bowser are, but to everyone else it's pretty obvious it's Bowser. Who else would Morton serve?
This is almost as bad as Luigi's Mansion 2 where the intro showed a King Boo silhouette destroy the dark moon. Then E.Gadd tells you "Hmmm somebody destroyed the dark moon, your brother has been sealed in a painting, and now there's boos everywhere, I wonder who could be behind all this.". When you fight King Boo he goes "Yes, it was I who destroyed the Dark Moon and sealed your brother!" like it was some kind of shocking reveal.
>>341573864
To be fair the reveal is that neither Luigi or E Gadd knew it was King Boo until then (But EG should have known because he's a senile old fart and sold King Boo's painting)
Here we have both Mario and Peach acting like this is a big mystery when the only villain the Koopalings have ever served is Bowser.
Has anyone done a mosiac yet
>>341574152
No, it almost happened earlier but they did Mario & Sonic instead.
>>341574152
Nope, they did one of Star Rush and Mario and Sonic. Maybe I'll host one later today, when it isn't 2 in the morning.
>>341574470
Do you have the Star Rush one?
>>341574257
>Mario & Sonic & DIOOOoooo
>>341574672
Yeah, here you go
>>341574257
Is that a photoshop or did someone actually draw that demon horse?
Im having a really hard time believing the people who defend this game are anyone other than 14 year olds or younger who havent played PM or TTYD. They seem to ignore all criticism and just act as if the games are irrelivent because theyre ole, and they havent played them
>>341575641
I believe defenders fall into 3 categories
>14 year olds
>shitters fishing for (you)s
>the most hardcore of nintendrone
there should be a Sammy Classic Sonic Fan type person to defend classic Paper Mario
>>341550502
This cannot be real.
>>341550502
You can do Action Commands in this right? RIGHT?
>>341538083
>they're ALWAYS bosses
What games have they even been in besides SMB3, world and NSMB? Have they ever appeared in an RPG mario?
>>341576869
So far as bosses...Paper Jam and this.
Outside of it Smash, Rio Olympics and Mario Kart 8. I think it's more the principle of the fact the Paper Mario series has always had unique Chapter Bosses outside of recurring stuff like Lord Crump and now they've blown it on these chumps.
>>341559210
On this day, Peach took even more dicks than usual.
>>341550502
>"action commands are for losers"
>they got rid of unique characters for toads
>"if you want a Mario RPG, go play Mario and Luigi"
I don't think I've seen Nintendo give a "fuck you" to it's fans this big since that robot chicken skit where a fan asked about Mother 3 and Reggie responds by setting him on fire.
>>341576869
>Have they ever appeared in an RPG mario?
Yeah, they were in Superstar Saga and Paper Jam.
>>341577713
Should Paper Jam count?
Is he right /v/?
It's funny, I remember when NSMBWii was out my friend and I were playing it and as we got through most of the game I asked "Do you get the feeling they brought back the Koopalings just so they wouldn't have to think up unique bosses for each world?" and my friend said I was being paranoid and Nintendo brought them back for fanservice. Now look where we are.
>>341577786
Why not? It was the only game in the Mario series where they had actual dialog.
>>341578015
That reminds. Morton talking differently (Normal vs Retard speak) in both games feels wrong to me. Even if they are technically two different characters.
>>341577786
no
its new super mario and luigi
>>341531014
thats because aonuma has balls and is nearly as big a deal as miyamoto
I was literally shaking with anger during that reveal. Tears formed in my eyes and my fists were clenched. ‘Please don't be Sticker Star 2,’ I shrieked at my computer. I'm 31 years old and this was, without a doubt, the worst reveal I've ever seen in my life. It's clear that Intelligent Systems is not just done with Paper Mario but done with the company. There is no recovering from a game that bad. I loved Paper Mario and put my heart and soul into dedicating my gaming life to it. But now, I have nothing. I'm an empty shell
>>341578608
The little wanted sign gag with the guy on it being right in front of it always sort of amuses me.
>>341580275
>Only good part about color splash
About time Shyguy's got the spotlight.
I can't even remember if I've seen any Goombas yet.
>>341531279
>>341532618
>>341532858
>That isn't at least humorous
>Rhythm-based special attack that goes full-on Katamari
It's surreal, but pretty funny.
>>341581368
>Zeus Battery
Why cant they put this creativity into the actual game?
>>341554831
at least nuts and bolts was them being intentionally ironic and you can tell they wanted to make an actual BK game
this is just nintendo being as detached from their audience as they have been for the past decade or so
>>341581595
Huey(From what we've seen) already looks like a better Kersti, the new mechanic to replace the stickerizing or whatever the fuck it was in SS looks more interesting, the combat, while similar does look interesting when it comes to things like card stacking, etc.
Sticker Star was an all-around mediocre game, this might turn into a good game that's just attached to the Paper Mario IP. Not to mention the defence force toads look pretty neat for characters in comparison to SS.
Are toads Nintendo's Minions?
>>341572180
the bad guys use the same BOWSER tape from sticker star, it's bowser.
>>341531014
But Zelda is the same Bombs, Arros Bows it's been for the past 20 years
>>341531054
>ice
>fire
? You mean water?
>>341532267
>not found
nani?
>>341538543
SPM had originality. And was a spin-off (yes that's a valid excuse, considering the name change)
But I feel like tons of Wii games compared to GCN games are the tipping point (Galaxy to sunshine, Brawl to Melee) all games were great in their own way. Just not the way we originally wanted them to be great
>>341531014
aonuma is as big as miyamoto and could probably have the same influence on any other game, but since he has autism he only cares about zelda. Miyamoto is well known for running into small dev teams, making "suggestions" and fucking everything up. See: dinosaur planet
>>341542605
>>341541257
We also had the 1337 hammerbros in Mario & Luigi.
Admit you're just jaded and 1337 hammerbros were never funny to begin with
>>341542601
>how tone deaf
Considering they make more money selling Amiibo out of all things, I really think that rather than tonedeaf, people just don't have taste
>>341581837
>people still defending SS as even mediocre
It is NOT a mediocre game, it is an objectively BAD game when it comes to game design, storytelling and gameplay mechanics
>>341583982
this disgusting. she's fat. I want you to post a picture of your face so I can judge you harshely
>>341550280
>Square Enix
Funnily enough Final Fantasy has the balls to change up their games
>>341552312
Paper Mario already look timeless. Making the switch from 480p to 720p doesn't warrant another sale. Make a new game, then I'd buy it
>>341553851
tingle's spin-off game for ds is great though, I don't hate Tingle for the few seconds he shows up, I hate swimmin with motion controls.
>gamexplain goes for an interview with a dev
>their first question was "what did you do to paper mario?"
>then they ask if we will be getting old paper mario back
>and finally TTYD HD WHEN?
>then left
kek
>>341572627
To be fair though SPM was the reason people fell for the sticker star meme. After i was pleasantly surprised with SPM i thought the same thing might happen with sticker star which is probably why so many people bought it, but most people won't be dumb enough to buy colour trash which is why it will bomb and they will probably never make another paper mario game again, because there's "no demand"
GOD FUCKING DAMNIT THE CONTRARIAN FAGGOTS DEFENDING THIS GAME IN THE YOUTUBE COMMENTS ARE SO FUCKING AGGRAVATING
HOW IS THIS LEVEL OF ANGER POSSIBLE?
>>341551837
But theres no excuse to actually check fan's reactions outside of weeabooland. If they did they could have changed the concept a lil bit
>>341586665
It's called your very own autism. You can't cure it, so live with yourself.
>>341565050
>>341565629
>>341565784
>This is where creativity comes to die
>>341550349
Loadiine.
>>341588285
almost nobody hacks their wii u's, especially not normalfags
>>341559210
For some reason this arouses me
>>341587685
s-sorry anon
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