ITT: Overwatch heroes you think needs to be buffed/nerfed and what are your current thoughts about the newest patch?
I don't see why Mcree recieved a nerf when Roadhog is pretty similair.
- You got a hook on a low 6 second cooldown and if you hook someone you can pretty much oneshot any squishy and 2-3 shot tanks.
- You can heal yourself for 300 health on a pretty short cooldown.
- His movement speed is literally the same as Mcree's
- If you miss your hook you can still kill people fairly easily with his right click.
So i guess i now just need to play the fat version of Mcree? I've played both Roadhog and Mcree and they seem similair in concept.
except roadhog's hook is a long range stun, he is alot tankier and moves at the same speed, unless Mcree used his dash to go to the point a little faster but that's barely any difference.
>>341459864
Roadhog is fine. He is supposed to be a squishy character check, though his hook hit box is Xbox huge
Roadhog is fine because he's an ultimate dispenser for the opposite team.
>>341459864
The only change Roadhog needs is to make his self heal a bit slower. It's a bit ridiculous when a near-death Roadhog can just hit E and survive constrained fire. He can even survive a death blossom with it for crissakes.
Roadhogg is free ult meter to a lot of characters, especially if he's a dumbass and tries to heal while he's clearly going to die. He also has huge hurtboxes including his head hurtbox.
Mei needs 50 shaved off her HP. She has too much power plus 2 get out of jail abilities to warrant that high of HP.
Shitrat needs his suicide bomb removed because allah akbar and that shit is just fucking retarded.
Zarya needs her shields switched, buffed or both. A 200 personal shield for 2 seconds doesn't really give her any real tanking ability and a 10 second cooldown is ridiculous.
Turrets shouldn't have instant lock on from across the map.
Buff DVa pls. If she shot pillows, she'd do more damage.
The hook is way harder to use than the flashbang.
I'm not saying it's hard, but the flashbang is stupidly easy, you don't have to aim at all. Just tap E when an enemy is on your screen at anything but long-range and it'll work.
He also can't snipe people, can't insta-reload, and has a fuckhuge hitbox making him a free kill for several characters if he's caught in a bad position.
I agree the heal should have a longer cooldown.
>>341461035
>those nerfs
>asking for a Zarya buff
Hello shitter faggot
I think Zenyatta either needs a speed buff or 50 more HP. I still like him though, but he feels objectively gimped.
Nerf Tracer.
Buff Zenyatta.
That's it.
>>341460375
This.
While I don't condone it, some retards will shit on you for picking him, even though he can pretty much cancel any ults and single-handedly keep half the enemy team at bay.
If you're not constantly on fire, you fucking suck and should pick reinhardt instead. Same with lucio. You have to compensate for the ults you generate.
>>341461416
The widow nerf has helped him a fair bit indirectly. Maybe not enough however.
>>341459864
>Numbani Defense
>fight three hog team who had the same shitty logic as OP
>three ultimate batteries charging our entire team nonstop
>mercy even switches off to 76 for more ults while field healing
>they never even get a third of point A
Roadhog is super easy to shut down, dude. The only thing you have to do is stay away from him and he dies to plink damage and free ults eventually.
>>341461308
Look at this madbad.... here's your (You)
>>341461589
Maybe I'm stupid but what do you mean with Lucio?
He's got a small hitbox and when I play him, I stay out of the way of enemy fire.
>>341461613
Trust me, I'm so happy now that Widow shitters aren't 1shotting me in the body.
>>341461671
You literally asked for Mei nerfs. Anyone who knows shit knows you're an auto shitter faggot for qqing about Mei.
>>341461035
>bad Zarya main patch suggestions
If you want to do damage and tank at the same time while guarding your team, play Rein. He is incredibly strong.
>>341461035
>being a shitter
>>341461223
This is really the only problem with D.va, I think her mech's guns are squirt guns.
Roadhog has a flaw that most people, not even those that play him a lot, understand. His large health pool, regeneration health and inability to lock down more than one target/defend his team like a tank should makes him the best way to give the enemies their ultimate.
You don't get your ultimate off Rein or Zarya's shield but since Roadhog is so beefy and so able to put himself at better health, offense/snipers can easily fill up their ultimate meters using this lumbering, easy to hit ultimate battery who at worst can only pick off one target and whose damage requires him to be at point blank or at mid-range at which case aiming is required.
He can't deal with snipers. He can't disrupt other tanks very well. He's the most offense-based tank in the game.
>>341461638
Yeah I always swap to 76 when there's an annoying roadhog around. He doesn't have any armor so you just melt him from med-long range
>>341461035
>Bitching about one of the lowest-tier least used characters
>saying Zarya needs buffs
You must REALLY be awful
>>341459864
Bastion needs to have spin-up time on his gatling gun, and maybe some damage falloff at range. No, I don't care if you can counter him, he's still too strong with that fast of a kill time. I've seen Bastions accidentally kill people they weren't aiming at because of this.
I also wish Soldier had a more interesting ult than a literal aimbot, but whatever.
Pharah could use more survivability like an HP boost or perhaps some armor. Despite being a flying mech woman she's less beefy than Reaper or Mei and it really hurts her when she has to expose herself to do damage.
Zenyatta also has the exposure problem due to the LOS requirement and his lack of durability. He also has this issue where he's generally the least effective of the three support characters. Not sure how to fix that other than bringing down the other two but that doesn't seem right.
>>341461035
> Shitrat needs his suicide bomb removed
Stop walking on his corpse you idiot.
> Turrets shouldn't have instant lock on from across the map
Agreeable to a point. Too used to TF2 sentries so when a Torb turret snaps to me when I'm not even in its building it really catches me off guard.
>>341461813
>>341461613
The Widowmaker nerf was exactly what I was hoping for. Seeing assholes just spam uncharged bodyshots makes my internal Sniper vomit.
>Mei needs a nerf
Kill yourself
>Roadhog needs a nerf
Kill yourself
>Tracer needs a nerf
Kill yourself
>>341461792
hes saying since lucio does so much passive healing, the enemy team is going to get ultimates faster because of his healing.. which is kind of retarded because the other team is also going to have a lucio 9/10 times
>>341461035
Holy SHIT you're bad at video games
>>341461035
>I die so much to the allahu akbar that I need it removed
>mfw
Roadhog doesn't need nerfing, Blizzard just need to get their thumbs out their arses and fix the fucking lag compensation and 8 tick bullshit.
The amount of times I get dragged through terrain and around corners when a single Roadhog is in the game is fucking mind blowing. You shouldn't constantly get bullshitted on 50 ping when you're several steps away from a corner and suddenly find yourself clipping through objects / the map to arrive at your 1 shot death.
>>341461792
If you don't spend the entire game on fire with Lucio, you're not even decent.
I am convinced only idiots play this game on V
Any valid suggestions are just met with SHITTER SHITTER SHITTER SHITTER SHITTER SHITTER SHITTER SHITTER SHITTER SHITTER SHITTER SHITTER SHITTER SHITTER SHITTER SHITTER SHITTER SHITTER SHITTER SHITTER
>>341459864
Roadhog hook doesnt have a aoe unlike mcree flashbang. Also, you can escape Roadhog follow up attack with certain characters like reaper, tracer or pic related . Same thing isnt possible against mcree flashbang
>>341461815
this
baby's first encounter with a decent Mei
>>341462689
>Roadhog hook doesnt have a aoe
It might as well have with the shitty servers and hitboxes.
>>341462650
Asshurt retard that asked for Zarya buffs detected.
Not everything is responded to with shitter but you're actually a fucking retarded shitter.
>>341461035
Zarya is OP as fuck as it is.
>>341462650
Please explain how the fuck any of these suggestions are valid
Pro tip: you can't
>>341462741
Fucking same posting god damn.
I say that as someone who plays Mei very successfully.
>>341462689
>Reaper's ghost walk can't be used to escape through a stun
Why the fuck though? It's even encouraged by the tips to use it to escape junkrat's trap, Mei's ult and Zen's discord orb.
How did you afford overpriced I mean overwatch?
Wow look at these contrarian shits lol
>>341459864
It balances out because you have to play a fat sack of crap.
>>341463039
>$40 is too much for me
Underaged or a jobless faggot?
>inb4 i make 10 gorgillion dollars as a dildo tester
>>341461035
I literally have never killed anyone or have been killed by Junkrats grenade vest.
>Symmetra ultimate doesn't build while teleporter is up
>Literally 5 minutes of 0% ultimate because I protected my teleporter properly
>>341459864
The only problem with Roadhog is his hook is hitscan when the animation isn't, which causes idiots to think he's bugged.
>>341461223
D.VA does 168 damage per second, the problems are that the spread in her gun is ridiculously wide and each individual pellet only does 3 damage, which means any kind of armor makes them useless. Lower the spread on her guns and make her invulnerable during defense matrix. That way the "rush down and rape" strategy actually works. Maybe make her guns penetrate armor, but that's a big maybe.
>>341462650
Your suggestions are fucking retarded and reveal just how new you are to OW team building.
Shitter.
Make the hitbox on winston's primal rage fists bigger because I'm tired of everyone easily dodging it
>>341462689
stop fucking posting cosplay whores
>>341463039
I have a job and worked for a single hour.
>>341462796
this
I play mostly tanks and supports. Rein is my main man, I love the guy. I toy with Winston but I just dont see the impact he has. Only when he ults, maybe im playing him incorrectly.
Zarya and D.va blow. Also, even though im must more inclined to play mercy, is lucio superior to her?
>>341462931
>stun
>>341463416
>mommie look I told a fib on the internet
>>341463039
I live in a welfare country.
Thanks for the money, wageslaves.
>>341459864
Roadhog doesn't have the mid to long range power that mcree had, and surprisingly can put out less damage during his stun than mcree could. That's why he's fine.
Mei needs a nerf to her primary and secondary fires because she is effective at all ranges, has a heal and two AOE denial abilities. Shes like Mccree before the nerfs
>>341462796
>Zarya
>OP
Rarely run into one on a team if that and they are generally a minor annoyance if anything.
Really showing your shitter there if you're having a hard time with her.
>>341462213
I wouldn't mind Zen getting 50 more hp, a speed boost and more damage for his single orb attack in exchange for slightly nerfing his discord orb in some way. x2 is kind of rediculous and it feels like they gave him that because he has nothing else going for him
>>341459864
I never seem to 1 shot anyone on roadhog, maybe 150hp squishys like 50% of the time I don't get it
Good ≠Broken
after you hook someone, M1+melee does the most damage right?
>>341461223
She needs more movement speed while firing
>>341463810
>but I just dont see the impact he has
You jump to the Widowmaker and kill her. Alternatively, you jump to the Mercy and kill her. Or then you make the enemy team's Genji switch because he's completely useless with a Winston killing him every time.
Zarya is strong, especially in koth where it's easy to keep her charge level up. Lucio is also for koth.
>>341464479
Yes. Melee a millisecond after M1 comes out.
>>341460470
He can survive Hanzo's Ultimate as well.
>>341463810
>Zarya blows
>Widowmaker
Personal or limited share range for the ult.
>Mcree
Got nerfed damage but the flashbang needs to be unable to stun when thrown over a Reinherdt shield or next to a reflecting Genji, preferably single target only.
>Torbjörn
Hammer only during ult OR make him unable to heal 75 armor 4 times in a row with full scrap by just looking down and spamming E. Increased drop on his long ranged shots.
>Pharah
Remove push rocket and add something else.
>Junkrat
If an enemy takes damage from the jump-bomb then Junkrat also takes damage.
>Tracer
Exhausting all 3 jumps and using ult makes her unable to time travel until it explodes
>D.va
Add small amount of damage when pushing people. Increase move speed from slow to normal over a short time when holding fire. Decreased headbox.
>Winston
Deal more damage to targets being healed if you hit both of them at same time.
>76
Slower heal AoE.
>>341464171
Zarya is used frequently in tourneys and similar high level play. She is extremely effective, and can coordinate entire team wipes fairly easily.
>>341464030
>I'm retarded, the post
>>341463810
Rein is also my main. Winston is good for being a nuisance by jumping over people and disrupting shit and cornering snipers. His shield is only really there to protect him long enough for his jump to cool back down. He's also good at taking out sentries since his gun arcs to them quickly
>>341464659
>wanting to buff an actually good character
>wanting to nerf shitty characters
>>341463810
>Zarya
>Bad
>>341464659
>>Junkrat
>If an enemy takes damage from the jump-bomb then Junkrat also takes damage.
To clarify. If it hits BOTH of them that is.
>>341464030
You know Mei's secondary fire has drop-off right? She's piss at medium to long range. Any character who isn't short range can rape her if they keep their distance and any short-range character has everything they need to rape her 1v1. Mei is only good if she can ambush someone.
>>341459864
>Everybody is talking about nerfing this hero or buffing that hero
>Nobody discusses about Junkrat needing any status changes
I'm glad that no attention is being brought to this hero. He's great at attacking and defending
>>341464659
how did you type that shocked looking o?
>>341459864
Git
Fucking
Gud
Roadhog is just about useless if he whiffs his hook.
Roadhog is the biggest target in the game.
Roadhog feeds ult to the enemy team.
Roadhog's scrap gun has 4 fucking shots in it before it has to be reloaded, has shit firing speed, and deals NO damage beyond point blank range or slightly longer than medium range.
He is hard countered by Reaper and has no way of dealing with characters that can damage him outside of his hook range like Widowmaker or Bastion.
He is shit for dealing with other tanks since Winston can hop away, Zarya can sheild herself, D. Va gets two lives, Reinhard can sheild/charge you, and another Roadhog will win if you hook him first.
Tl;dr you are fucking garbage and you need to get the fuck out of my face
Is there a single hero that people don't whine like a little bitch about
My buffs / nerfs:
>Make Junrat's remote bomb have more falloff damage so he can't just randomly throw it in your general vicinity and get a guaranteed kill
>Reduce area that Roadhog's hook grabs you, make it so you actually have to somewhat aim it
>Buff Dva gun damage at medium range (it's fine at close range and it shouldn't do a ton of damage at far range)
>Reduce Zenyatta heal orb travel time
>Buff Pharah Splash damage
>Add ~25 more shields to symettra's team shields, give them a short cooldown
>Reduce Hanzo arrow size by small amount
>Slightly increase tracer's DPS
>>341464859
Perhaps I just don't have her quite down yet. I play her...alright but not effectively, and I have trouble tanking for my team with her. Im much more effective with Rein
>zarya needs a buff
How to tell everyone you haven't reached lvl 50 yet.
>>341459864
I want to see Pharah's rockets get a slight speed increase.
Also I want Winston, D.Va, Roadhog, and Genji to have quick melee back at 50 damage.
>>341464030
Hell no. She already can't stand off with the majority of characters 1v1. If she was nerfed she would just be a wall building Popsicle and that's it.
>>341461035
Jaosix is that you? You are a fucking retard.
>>341464528
I play mostly in Pubs, I don't see how I can coordinate an attack with Winston by jumping into their team, disrupting things and getting out alive. Even with the shield up
>>341461613
It's nice to be able to walk down a choke point and not get one shot by Widow trying to hit someone in front of me.
>>341465134
Symmetra and Zenyatta.Probably because neither get any real play.In lower level pubs at least.
I don't know what, but Zenyatta needs a buff, probably movespeed, armor / more hp, ect but they can't do that without turning him into a powerhouse DPS who can offheal.
Nerf the shit out of his L/RMB and then you balance the rest of him as a support, rather than riding that line.
>>341459864
How do i use his ult properly? I never kill anyone with that thing.
>>341464171
are you serious?
a decent zarya is really strong, you must be on the lower end of mmr
>>341464939
>ever finding yourself in a med-long range firefight with Mei
Good thing this literally never happens. Even the most retarded player knows that he needs to duck around corners.
Plus she has 2 "ohfuck" buttons that she can effectively alternate, which will shut down long ranged fire.
>>341465113
>Reaper is a hard-counter to roadhog
Bahahahahha
My
Fucking
Sides
Its so easy to see you never played him for more than a hour. Prolly played against shitters using him.
>He is shit for dealing with other tanks since Winston can hop away, Zarya can sheild herself, D. Va gets two lives, Reinhard can sheild/charge you, and another Roadhog will win if you hook him first
And there you have it everyone, the shitter blowing up his cover,.
>>341463810
Winston is good at staying alive and going bananas. If you know where health packs are he's pretty good. Jump near objectives, drop a shield, pick off healers and snipers or do some damage to other characters, jump away, get a health pack or healed, jump back in, repeat.
>v shitters talk about "high level comp play"
>implying v shitters will EEEEEVER play anything other than low mmr pub shit
Keep watching your streams tho armchair pros
>>341465757
use it to push people off the map
use it to push people off the point
Mei's got a problem like Bastion where she's a Pubqueen but shit tier when your team is coordinated.
zen could probably do with a movement speed buff and thats probably it
hes amazing in every aspect now he doesnt die to 100% body shot
>>341461035
xbox or ps4? you sure as fuck are not pc
Reminder that double McRee is still default comp setup even after the nerfs.
Just goes to show you how fucking dumb this cowboy is.
>>341465791
Never said she wasn't strong idiot.
>>341465269
The idea that Zarya is a tank like reinhart is a bit flawed. You're more a hybrid dps/tank than anything. Since your shield only lasts for a couple of seconds, you really only want to use it to bait for energy, or for escapes. Though if you can get your energy high enough, you can do some pretty serious damage . Just play her less like a front-line, and more of a tanky dps character, and you'll probably do better.
>>341463416
I've died once when I wasn't really paying attention. It's one of those things you forget about until it happens.
Genji's seem to fall to it all the time.
>Think Zarya is shit
>Read up about her energy mechanic
>Shield a DIE DIE DIE
>The bar at the bottom of the HUD is still at zero
Am I doing something wrong?
>>341461035
Zaryas already strong as fuck, but i agree shes a pretty shitty tank as far as tanking is concerned. That being said everyone bar Reinhardt is a pretty shitty tank as far as tanking is concerned.
Zaryas a tankier damage dealer. Winston is a tankier disruptor / ganker. Roadhog is a ganker / damage dealer. D.Va is a tank, but shes shit.
While i'd like to see Zarya as an actual tank, i have way too much fun playing her as a damage character.
I know Torbjorn's not particularly good, but Molten Core is such a stupid ult. My internal designer wants to see it reworked so badly, regardless of Torby's place in the tier list.
Otherwise, most of the chances I'd like to see would be global/mechanical changes. I think you should lose at least SOME ult meter on death. Hitboxes need to be revised a bit among the entire cast. I think Reinhardt's ult fails to hit in situations where it should and hits in situations where it shouldn't. It's silly.
Some other balance changes I'd like to see would come from straight up additions to the cast, rather than altering the current cast. Stuff to enhance counterplay and the like, and characters that serve to enrich player choices within particular niches (for example, Reinhardt isn't particularly OP in my opinion, but he's an incredibly ubiquitous choice because he's the only character that fills a particular role).
>>341463521
If your team manages to go 5 minutes with less than 6 deaths your ult is probably not even needed.
tfw the best ult in the game is on the worst character in the game
PRAY
FOR
SYMETTRA
>>341465278
>Spend most of my time playing Zarya.
>Low level, do decent.
>Get constantly told that she's an actual threat in higher levels.
>Have not the time or tenacity to get that dedicated.
God dammit.
>Get my first alt skin this morning: Mariachi Reaper.
>Reaper is apparently the go to for pub shitters now that McCree and Widowmaker got castrated.
God fucking dammit. Why am I so autistic as to let the interactions of others ruin my enjoyment for a silly video game? Probably because the higher you level, the more headache inducing it'll be to play with pubs, no?
>>341465897
Wow, it's almost like the guy being replied to had said that Mei was effective at all ranges and the post was meant to refute that. And even if she has two "oh fuck" buttons, who cares? It's a team-based objective-based game, not a deathmatch. Keep an eye on her to make sure she doesn't ambush you up close but other than that she's basically harmless.
http://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20745285677#post-12
Well it looks like they are at least honest on what has been going on.
They need to reduce the leniency that Hanzo and Junkrat projectiles get when it comes to direct hits. ESPECIALLY junkrat. Every single death cam that isn't his ult is him aiming a minimum of 20 degrees either side of my character and getting direct shots, its fucking retarded.
I started playing him because of it and do well, but it's still retarded.
>>341466601
Zarya's effectiveness is a combination of you own skill and your team's. Higher level players are more likely to know how to play with a Zarya, which means playing more aggressively.
>>341459864
roadhog is the biggest target in the game
half the time his hook glitches out and places the target behind him, making the combo impossible
the combo is only an instant kill on squishies, and that's only if you lined up a perfect headshot (going slightly closer before pulling the trigger)
mcree did 500+ damage, roadhog only does 300~ with a slower reload
tl;dr
he's fine
>>341466403
Well there's a little number underneath your crosshairs that shows what your energy level is at. Plus Zarya's shield doesn't negate all damage I think it breaks automatically after a certain amount of damage hits it.
You are most definitely doing something wrong
>>341466601
you really don't have to work that hard to make it with zarya, just land your right-clicks, and drop shields on your friends when they need them. It's not like completing a rubix cube before you run off to battle or anything, come on.
>>341461247
>anything but long range
Um, no. It only works on enemies real close and in the center of the screen. Anything mid range or to the edges of your pov isn't going to be affected.
>>341461035
>Shitrat needs his suicide bomb removed because allah akbar and that shit is just fucking retarded.
junkrat main here
i get maybe two kills per game with that shit, because it has such low health people kill it before I can get it into position
get gud
>>341466601
>listening to anyone talk about being a pub shitter when all of us are pub shitters
Play whoever you want senpai, I started playing Raper a lot now since McCree is now survivable and I can fit my role of tank slayer. Some bitch last night complained about me ulting and killing 5 of his team 3 times in one game with it and I didn't give a fuck so why would you?
>>341461223
She needs more range and normal move speed while firing, then she'd be perfect.
>>341466403
the bar at the bottom of the HUD is your on fire bar.
The number right under your crosshair is your energy meter.
>>341467040
>>half the time his hook glitches out and places the target behind him, making the combo impossible
>>half the time his hook glitches out
>>half the time
Extreme exaggeration. If you don't have footage then go play for 2min and come back if it's true.
>>341466424
D.va is a disruptor/ganker too, you fucking retard.
>>341461035
Goddamn this just shows how there are a lot of people who actually don't know what they are talking about.
>Zarya
>needs buff
I also thought a long time ago that she sucks because she was always free food whenever someone from the opposing team used her. Then suddenly I saw someone who was great with her and actually shutdown almost every shit we did.
Then I tried using her and goddamn she was actually fucking great.
>>341463039
I make the cost of the game in a little under an hour.
>>341462579
That's a very absolute thing to say.
Mei needs a nerf, anyone that disagrees is pretty stupid.
She can basically duel anyone in the game close range with her freeze, her heal is also pretty broken with 250 health, and her ultimate is also a joke. Ult then just one shot everyone.
>balance
>>341467197
>junkrat main here
>playing the absolute lowest m1 to win scrub in the game
>telling people to get good
o i am laffin
>>341466403
You mean the ult meter? Pay more attention to the number under her reticule. That tells you how much damage your particle beam does. Best thing to do is to look at the little orb in her gun from time to time. The bigger and more hectic that orb is, the stronger your beam.
>>341467364
literally 90% of the time that i hook a lucio he ends up behind me
it's a good 20-30% for every other character
average that up and it's around 50% :^)
>>341463521
She'd be supremely overpowered if you were able to have teleporters up constantly. As she is I'd call her pushed.
>>341461223
They said they didn't want to buff her damage or else she'll just kill squishes in the backlines no problem.
I honestly think they'll do something about her movement.
Also fucking buff the ulti so that a fucking pole won't block the whole goddamn damage.
>>341467367
She fares as a tank because of defense matrix and high armor. Shes garbage at it but still a Tank. I don't consider a character that slows to a snails pace everytime she tries to kill anyone a ganker.
>>341463810
Rein is more widely useful while Winston is more of a counterpick against Widows and Symmetras and the like.
>>341467548
kill yourself : the post
buff Pharah survivability
add more entrances to hanamura and volkskya type shit maps.
>>341467548
Bullshit, prove it.
I can only accept Lucio during speed boost as a regular thing. Same for those he influence I guess but speedboost isn't on every time roadhog is in hook range.
>>341464276
Zen getting 50 more HP is OP. Come on guys be reasonable.
>>341459864
Tell me why soldier can survive hook, shot and melee combo? Isn't that supposed to deal around 300 dmg? In general soldiers, genjis and widows survive that combo 3 out of 4 times.
>>341459864
>His movement speed is literally the same as Mcree's
So is everyone's aside from genji and tracer.
I think that mei and reaper need some tweaks. they shouldn't be able to contest the point using their invulnerability skills. Reaper shouldn't be able to pick up health packs while in the ghost mode and mei shouldn't heal herself either. Mercy's alt charges way to fast and should be comparable to lucios charge time.
>>341459864
6 second on a fast-paced game is a lot
>>341459864
Roadhog shotgun is inconsistent and can miss even from point blank sometimes.
Roadhog has a huge hitbox, which makes it easy for the enemy team to take random pot shots and farm ultimate safely from a distance.
Roadhogs potshots at middle range are harder to pull off than McCrees one-shots.
Roadhog gets shut down by characters like Zenyatta (his discord orbs melt Roadhogs), so he has clear counters.
Main problem with McCree is that currently he has no real counters, and he performs the roles of other characters better than the characters themselves.
>>341459864
Everyone in this thread is retarded and you're the type of people who ruin games.
>>341467836
also REMOVE HERO STACKING
>>341467878
Whenever people discuss Zen buffs, just assume they also want his damage nerfed. They might be morons and not actually want that, but it atleasts let us discuss balancing him without 50 faggots coming out of the woodwork saying the same shit over and over again.
>>341467467
>Be Junkrat
>Face Mei close range
>Shoot bombs
>She freezes
>Beartrap behind her
>Trigger bomb in front of her
>Ice shatters
>If she doesn't run into trap by herself the bomb will launch her into it as you can't jump over it
>Ded Mei
It's so fucking fun.
Is D.Va even viable in this game? I've been trying to get better with her but she feels really weak.
>>341465269
Zarya is an off-tank. She's not the main tank. The only real tank in OW is Reinhardt.
Zarya is godly depending on the maps. If it's a KOTH map, goddamn I love using her there.
Ever seen a double Zarya there? The nightmares.
List of characters who should be redesigned:
Winston - No skill whatsoever, you don't even need to aim
Mcree - Ult should not be auto-aim, change it to something creative with mild utility
Soldier 76 - ^^^
Mercy - Designated healers are cancer
Zarya - Right click needs to be faster, other than that she is pretty good
Thoughts? This isn't about balance, just about getting the braindead shit out of the game
>>341467467
>What is not doing shit on your own in a team game
She loses almost any 2v1 with any combination of heroes and some can 1v1 her easily like Pharah and McCree
>>341467878
I'd be fine with 1 more hp. Anything to stop getting 1 hit killed on the body by Widows.
>>341467892
The biggest part of that combo is actually hitting the majority of the shot. Let's do some MATH!
hook is 30 damage
shot is 4-9 per pellet with 25 pellets per shot. So at minimum 4 * 25 = 100 damage and max 9 * 25 = 225 damage
These numbers are also not counting headshots. Let's say you hook shot and melee but your shot does the very minimum damage all as a body shot. That's 30 + 100 + 30 = 160 which would definitely leave a lot of characters alive.
I suggest you shoot their head
>>341459864
roadhog is a pretty low level hero. he only excels in killing lone flankers.
>>341468215
Shes not really meant for tanking like a Reinhardt. Shes good at harasing the squishes in the backline using her mobility.
>>341468331
You don't even need that for widow anymore
Anyone else notice how certain characters heal passively when not supposed to?
This often happens with Zarya in particular. There isn't a Lucio on the team, Mercy isn't near, Zenyetta doesn't have a ball on me and yet I often find myself passively healing to full when just running between objectives. I don't understand what's triggering it.
>>341467909
Just to add to mine real quick. Tobjorn's turrent needs some adjustments too. Its snaps to people too fast.
>>341468215
Quick play? Very. But make sure you have another tank in the team because she isn't one.
>>341468215
She's viable in pubs.
>>341468610
blue health = shields which regen after a short time of not taking damage
half of Zarya's health is shields
>>341468610
are you dumb anon
>>341468580
Didn't they just nerf scoping and autofire? I read from 15 to 12 something but that doesn't sound like scope shot damage.
>>341468610
Because 200 of her health is a shield.
>>341467892
If the roadhog moves slightly forward before pulling the trigger on your face, you're dead.
If the roadhog pulls the trigger instantly but melee combo, you're dead.
If the roadhog pulls the trigger instantly, 3x M2 remaining, shot at perfect range if you're trying to escape, you're dead.
I win 75% of my match when I go roadhog, AMA
>>341467556
dude, she doesn't need walking speed, she has 2 seconds of flight that CD in like, 4 seconds. She's the only tank that can access high areas and ledges, meaning she gets solid positioning against the majority of the cast. + like 80% of her lifebar is armor. + she doesn't have to reload AND you can deal damage by slamming into enemies with boost.
Yes the blasters have shit range. If you want the kill you need to start with a point blank headshot, and if the enemy runs away, you just stop shooting and go after them. But the real trick is have your dash already cooled down when you begin your attack run, so ambushing from high ledges or using jets to completely ignore barrier and move into flanking position, is key.
D.va is honestly my best character and I'm actually nervous that a buff will break or imbalance her. She's amazing as she is now.
There are a ton of little changes that should be made to make the game more balanced but you only really need one - 1 type of character per team = 90% if balance issues instantly resolved.
post smug widowmaker
>The Zarya is powerful meme
Literally ONLY see this on /v/.
Zarya's power is completely dependent on how shit the enemy team is. Her Ult is completely dependent on how shit your team isn't.
>GUYS IM GONNA FIRE MY ULT THEYRE ALL TOGETHER LETS DO THISSSSSS
>my team immediately runs and hides
Same thing happens with most of my Mei ults too. Also people can still fire from Zarya's ult so they can still fight back.
Anyone who isn't new will immediately switch targets as soon as they see a bubble. Her personal bubble is super short and pops quick leaving her to be shredded so you're mostly dependent on using it on others and hoping the other team is stupid enough to still shoot them.
I think switching shift and E would fix a lot.
>>341468484
>but your shot does the very minimum damage
The damage is dependent on the range. It's not random.
>Widowmakers sniper does more damage in 1 second that a direct hit pharah rocket
>>341468872
>She's amazing as she is now.
She's not. I use her a lot and she needs buffs.
There's a reason why buffs are in the pipeline for her. Blizzard knows they overnerfed her.
>>341462495
But even with a higer tickrate he got you? The game is reading his hit while your traveling doesn't, hence why you get drug through terrain. With the higher tick, you'll get drug from where he initiated you before you went into terrain. If anything your complaint will make him more lethal since really, the terrain and obstacles he's dragging you through give you a better chance of survival.
>>341468610
the blue armor bar regens over time
>>341468865
>I win 75% of my match when I go roadhog
Go to career profile and show your win rate as roadhog.
>>341468129
Give him +25 health but it is armor. There he's fine already.
>>341468795
She deals 120 on bodyshots fully charged now but her headshot multiplier was bumped up to compensate but it does the same exact damage as before. You can take a 120 as Zenyatta, get only shields back and survives another bodyshot it's great
>>341467076
Okay I was exaggerating, the point is you don't need to aim.
>>341468290
Roadhog too but he does need to be played a bit differently, he works best in maps with tight corridors and such, he's really not the big "LOOK AT ME PLS SHOOT MY FACE" target that Rein is.
He's more about getting in, taking big damage, healing yourself, getting out and getting back in again as far as his tanking strategy goes.
How do you deal with Mei once she starts freezing you?
I always end up frozen unless the Mei has already been hit by something else.
>team tells me to switch from symmetra
>proceed to get a 5 kill streak when the enemy team gets on the point
>get play of the game
>lose because the rest of them suck
yeah nah fuck you
>>341469597
be reaper or tracer
>>341468301
99% of what you said is retarded garbage, both in terms of balance, and in terms of getting braindead shitters out of the game.
Good job, its impressive to fail so hard.
>>341469556
The most used heroes I've seen in KoTH are
>Roadhog
>Zarya
>Lucio
>Junkrat
>>341469689
or junkrat or pharah or mccree or widowmaker or winston...damn is almost like mei is trash.
>>341469597
>D.Va
Boost away
>Genji
Swift Strike away
>Tracer
Blink away
>Reaper
Wraith away
>Reinhardt
Block it with the barrier
>Winston
Jump away
>Widowmaker
Hook away
>Mercy
Fly away to a teammate
>S76
Put down a biotic field
>Pharah
Jump away
>Lucio
Knock Mei back
>Mei
Wall/block
Did I miss something?
>>341463563
And maybe just give the fist strikes a bit more of an animated lunge to them, so the extra range is believable.
>>341468725
>>341468820
>>341469385
Does the shield given by Symmetra regenerate as well on other characters normally without shield? Say if Reinhardt gets Symmetra shield on spawn, goes out and takes 425 damage, it will leave him with 100 hp, does the shield regenerate so he has effectively 125hp after a while?
>>341468872
>She's amazing as she is now.
Shes really not. Match-wise harassers like Mercy, Winston and Reaper have way more impact from the backlines, whereas other tanks do the job of the tank much better.
She dies way too much on 1v1 when enemy players actually decide to engage and not ignore you. She can bodyblock damage pretty well and be a general nuisance but in teamfights her impact is surprisingly low (not counting her ultimate which is like a huge fear-field).
Giving her more survivability somehow at least solidies her as the kind of lone-flanker of a tank who can distract enemies relatively safely. Something simple like removing the moving penalty from shooting makes her an actual threat even if her guns would suck.
>>341469903
I don't care about braindead shitters, I care about braindead characters these shitters pick. If someone picks genji on my team and goes 0-10 and someone picks Winston and goes 10-0, I'd prefer the genji. Some of the characters take less skill than LoL champs, how can you possibly think that's ok in a FPS?
>>341470027
Zarya's shield negates the slow and you can also use it to save teamates.
>>341469906
For good reason, they've all got great aoe or they perform well in tight spaces.
>>341470027
>S76
>Biotic field
Lmao
You also missed like 50% of the cast.
>>341469597
Depends on your character. Most characters have some kind of mobility, like genjis dash or pharah's boost jump. Use it to put yourself at a distance so she cant freeze you. Once your out of range just keep shooting at her, most Meis cant consistently land her alt fire.
>>341468865
>48 percent of damage taken
>bragging about that
You literally charged the enemies ult at a retarded rate.
>>341470027
Biotic field doesn't stop the freeze, although it will help heal so you can survive the impending icicle headshot.
>>341469597
I play tracer so I just blink away. I've gotten lucky and killed her before she could freeze but that was only because she got right in my face and I was able to headshot her.
>>341470278
Skill with Winston is more focused on staying alive while constantly harassing the enemy team. Because if the enemy team decides to get rid of you, they will get rid of you no matter how good a Winston you might be, if you dont have escape plans ready.
>>341470278
The fact you think about this game as a regular FPS, and reference KDR shows me you are the true shitter here senpai.
Really though? I don't mind. I'm good enough to handle all of the characters even those that take less skill than others. Plus they're well balanced in terms of gameplay, so why get mad about it?
>>341470027
Except in an actual game once she starts freezing you and you miss the small window of opportunity to do something which is easy when you are engaging other enemies or she sneaks up on you from behind you cant do jack shit.
>>341466437
I kind of agree on subtracting some Ult on death. Feels silly that I get Ult right before dying, and having the though "Oh well, I'm gonna come back now and fuck you up with THIS!" It almost encourages the death.
>>341470278
>aim is the only skill in fps
>I'd rather lose than win
>>341470408
And then she ice blocks long enough for the rest of her team to show up and then hides behind them and the whole encounter resets,
I fucking hate Mei.
>>341459864
Pharah's rockets should have a heat seeking effect, and the splash radius should be doubled.
Fuel should be increased and flight speed tripled.
She should be given 75 armor, and have 25 standard health removed (for balance)
>>341465235
>>Slightly increase tracer's DPS
>>341470376
Biotic Field allows you to survive the headshot from M2 and run away afterwards.
>You also missed like 50% of the cast.
Why would I list characters like Hanzo and Symmetra that can't survive it?
>>341470901
What's stupid is when you're defending, die with ult, pop it then swap to a different character.
Usually do it with Junkrat and Mercy.
>>341470702
He doesn't fucking aim
>>341470757
I'm mad because they literally take no skill, there is no counterplay essential to shooters. Winston not aiming takes away any legitimacy to dueling him. So as genji, I just do some quick calculations in my head and see if I can out dps him, since his dps is a given. I never, ever take risks like I would if he had to aim his laser.
It's ok that he destroys some characters up close. But that's like saying in CSGO, a guy with a p90 should always kill a man with an awp at close range, no matter what. It makes the game extremely boring and eliminates personal skill.
If you can't grasp the concept of out-aiming someone who has an item and health advantage to win the duel, then you should stick to moba's.
>>341470074
Yes. All shields do that.
>>341471030
>I don't know how to lead
Git gud
She is such shit at fighting on land though.
>>341470793
>she sneaks up on you from behind
Try listening to footsteps.
You have to be pretty bad to get frozen by Mei on a lot of characters.
>>341471296
Not if she's been freezing you beforehand.
>>341471030
>heat seeking effect
Are you fucking kidding me? It's not as if landing direct hits is difficult, and on top of that you want to make her deal even more overall damage plus tankier? Don't just fucking stay in the air all day and you won't insta-die.
>>341470618
Top left
>>341467339
So that's what that damn bar is. Been bothering me this whole time.
>>341471312
The counter play is don't get caught alone by a winston and you + your team will fucking ruin him before his pissweak gun does dick.
I still can't shake this feeling you're some CoD kid who thinks kills/deaths, dueling or other normal FPS shit is important to a team based objective game.
>>341470027
lucio doesnt work, meis range is to big
>>341469659
>Put down perfect tele right near payload but invisible to enemy team, so we just keep rushing right out to defend it
>They get wind of this and try to get the tele
>Turrets defending it, kill streaks everywhere, team popping out and defending the payload
>It never moves
>potg is teammate DIE DIE DIE for a triple kill at some point
>Everyone votes for him
Shitters, all of them.
>>341471009
Bastion can shred through her Ice wall. Her self heal is annoying, but basically makes her sitting duck. Just try to seperate her from her team. Shes easier to deal with.
>>341471030
Or you could stop sucking at the video game.
The shit you posted would make her incredibly over powered, a good Pharah player can dominate an entire team already.
Pharah needs a small buff. Either of the following would great, not too huge but just enough to not make her feel weak.
>250 Health
>175 Health and 25 Armor
>Increased splash damage range from 13-80 to 40-80
>Faster movement when using her jets in the air
I'd take any one of these and be happy.
>>341471312
That's kind of the point of Winston, not needing to aim means he can take out high mobility characters quite easily without having a movement hampering ability like Mei or McCree since having something like that on a high mobility tank would be ridiculous.
If you didn't want counter play you shouldn't be playing a shooter with character abilities.
Real nigga balance:
NERFS:
>mcree fan the hammer nerf (DONE)
>widowmaker charge nerf (Bodyshot nerf is good, we'll take it)
>Mercy ult charge nerf
>Lucio self heal nerf
BUFFS:
>zenyatta hp buff
>symmetra turret recharge buff
>Bastion main gun spread reduction
>Mei wall buff (make it knock enemies back/towards you, not stupidly put them on top)
>Pharah can move during her ult (very slowly like mcree)
>Reaper wraith form movement speed buff (like 10% not much)
CHANGES:
>D.Va has 20 shots before needing to reload + She now can move at full speed while shooting
>Hanzo's arrow draws slower, but his movement slow down in now proportional to his draw, so hanzo can move more freely while shooting, but won't reach full charge as quickly.
>>341471030
lel, a game that isnt designed for aerial combat and you want the one hero that can fly to do so more?
if anything she should get increased damage if hit by someone while she is flying
>>341472226
Pharah is at a perfect place right now and anyone that says she needs a buff is just garbage
Changes that need to be made to roadhog:
-His hook should give him mobility by allowing him to pull himself up on top of platforms. because i'm jealous of widowmaker
zenyata doesnt need more health, he doesnt need a damage nerf, and he doesnt need a speed buff.
give that man a "teleport to players" move similiar to mercys flight, and that man/robot will be balanced.
>>341472042
If winston catches me and we are both at full health (I'm genji/mercy/whoever), then I die. But he should have to aim. That's it, I don't think I should be able to kill everyone, I just want counterplay to matter. I really wish everybody's weapons were projectiles too, and everyone went twice as fast.
>>341461035
Zarya is my go-to tank, when you learn to use the cover WITH her shields you become nearly unstoppable
Pretty much the only way I die with her is ultimates, snipers, or getting blindsided
>>341472226
Faster air movement would make it way harder for hitscan characters to take her out as they're meant to.
I think the most likely buff is 50 more health or splash damage.
>>341472226
this Pharah needs a little bit of love
>>341472235
Give him a fucking shotgun or something, or better melee with a projectile weapon, there are so many ways to make him not braindead and just as effective
>>341462213
Bastion does have a spin up time though anon. It's just they are probably doing what I do and once I commit to firing I usually fire through the entire magazine and find whatever other targets I can.
I don't have much of a problem with Zenyatta, except for those sniper hits tanking me, the plus to this is the recent patch nerfed Widows so they don't exactly one shot him. I do however wish he had some kind of passive healing, that would be big.
The turrets need to be a tad bit slower on consoles, or in turrets case they should go by the players screen for shot confirmation. Too many times I am back behind cover but take damage from them because I have to go out, have some lag where they immediately pick up on me, then try to get back in cover way early because I'm not sure if it will get extra damage in after I am back in cover on my end.
My girl D.Va needs a buff but luckily that is known, I don't think they will change her movement speed, she may need to have her crit box downsized, and her damage output slightly higher though. Playing her as a disrupter is fine, but when most people will shrug her off immediately and still kill me isn't all that cool. When she is without a mech she is fine, but in her mech she should be a little more of a formidable opponent.
>>341471565
You have to be pretty damn slow to put down your biotic field if you end up getting killed. Mei M1 is 45 dps, biotic field is 40 hps. Mei M2 takes what, half a second to go off, so she needs to get you down to 130 hp or less before your biotic field comes into play. And to get you that low, it'll take her 1.5 seconds.
Don't be slow as fuck.
>>341472059
Depends on a lot of factors. Sometimes work, sometimes doesn't.
>>341472226
>>341472527
>>341472517
til /v/ is full of shit players
So I learned nothing
>>341460375
its also a mercy ult dispenser which basically counters every other ult, so it doesn't really matter
>>341461035
The only junk rat changes that make sense would be more self damage on nades so he can't shotgun you with them and his bear trap shouldn't be 95% invisible to the other team
>>341472410
Zenyatta need healing buff so there's a reason to pick him.
Also it kinda bothers me that discord doesnt mark people for team mates since it marks them for you, makes it hard to get people to take out targets.
>>341471630
>we won so it's fine
lmao
>>341461223
Fuck you faggots all she needs is her fucking critbox removed inside her mech, or at least reduced damage
Its way too easy to score headshots for crazy damage, which ultimately make you feel d.va is fucking squishy when she should not.
>>341472734
>Reasons to pick Pharah over Junkrat:
???
>>341471553
You are not fighting against Mei in a sterile environment where you know you can expect her. When other people are shooting at you and you are preoccupied its easy for her to get the drop on you. And if you do get her in a 1 on 1 situation, even if you manage to get the drop on her she can use heal and ice wall to save herself.
>>341459864
I'm just glad faggots like you aren't in charge of any important decisions and never will be.
>>341464974
I mean, I hate his ass but I can also deal with him fairly quickly once I know he is nearby. When I hear his rip tire I know I am dying soon but I don't know from which direction I am dying from.
>>341472878
>>341472410
zenyatta isnt a full on healer, why do people think that? he is a part healer and part debuffer, you give that char too much heals and he will be supporting team with health and destroying opponents with 50% fcking damage, OP as fuck is what that would be.
A tele might work but idk what key/button it would be linked to, he already has all his abilities filled
>>341473096
It takes her 1.8 seconds to freeze you. If you can't react in that time, I can't help you, grandpa.
>>341472781
>his bear trap shouldn't be 95% invisible to the other team
So you want the bear trap to be completely useless?
>>341463521
>all these changes shitters keep askimg would just be reverts from beta
She used to build ultimate with TP up, which basically meant permanent teleporter
>>341471312
>I'm mad because they literally take no skill, there is no counterplay essential to shooters. Winston not aiming takes away any legitimacy to dueling him.
The fuck are you even talking about? Hes the counter for "jump around in a circle and hope enemy doesnt hit you"-play. When Winston gets close to you, you need to do SOMETHING ELSE than just circle strafe like crazy. Youre forced to retreat and get away. Thats the purpose of Winston. Winstons weakness is his huge hitbox and shit damage. Roadhogs win the duel vs Winston almost every time. Same with Reaper or any other tank killer.
Winston isnt a skillshot character but hes a walking field of constant stream of minor damage and distraction. Comparable to something like TF2 Pyro who doesnt really need to aim much either up close, just swing the gun in an arc and it does damage to the enemies around you, meaning you have a clear advantage in close range in comparison to other classes.
You know, this thread just tells me how some of you are hypocrites.
You guys say Blizzard nerfs characters to the ground and stuff, but then you guys go overboard with buffs/nerfs anyway.
>>341473024
Enemy team has a Torbjörn, Junkrat and/or Genji.
>>341472734
>Widow
>Soldier
>Anyone with reliable range
Pharah gets shit on the moment she leaves the ground. Unless she has a pocket Mercy, good luck doing anything without having to sneak up on squishies.
>>341473024
More mobility
Easier environmental kills
Ult is easier to surprise with
Easier projectiles
Counters McCree, Junkrat and Reaper, better matchup vs Widow if you can get the drop on her
Now please explain why she needs buffs to cover for you being shit
>>341472430
> I just want counterplay to matter.
> I want to remove the #1 (and in some cases only) counter to like 5 heroes.
Also, try not being a shitter, i've killed Winstons who got the drop on me as Genji (you shouldn't be on even footing with anyone let alone a tank as a Mercy). He has an advantage sure but that's his role to play. But a characters purpose and balance relative to other characters doesn't matter, what matters is sick 1v1s and your kill death ratio like every other FPS.
When will blizz put in clan tags already jeez.
>>341473512
>Easier environmental kills
>Ult is easier to surprise with
>Easier projectiles
Literally all wrong.
>>341473774
anon confusing "easier" with "better"
>>341472734
Anyone with Hitscan utterly decimates Pharah right now. Being in the air other than ambushing makes her a huge target for everyone.
And if the only good way to play Pharah is ambush than fuck that shit.
>>341473503
So you avoid the air space they cover
Why is it a problem for her to have counters in the first place?
>>341473423
How can you possibly know who is and who isn't a hypocrite given every single person is Anon. For all you know literally every single person who has said anything about this game is a unique individual. You're a moron for conflating them all together.
>>341466403
>these are the kind of shitters that end up in your team
Is Winston supposed to be able to kill a Hanzo? I played this game where the enemy team had two annoying snipers so I switched to monkey man and destroyed their widowmaker but their hanzo killed me every time even though I had my electric shit on him all the time
>>341473774
Prove it then, I have much more environmental kills with her E than Junkrats
You can hear Junkrats tire from a fucking mile away
Pharah wins vs Junkrat because of how much better her rockets are vs his grenades
Now shut the fuck up and get good
>>341473251
We're aware of what he isn't.
However he's fragile, needs to stand out in the open to do anything and unless he has ult really isn't that useful in a scrap except for melting tanks.
He's my favourite support character but he's outshone by everyone, even Symmetra.
>>341472381
>>341472203
>>341471587
>>341471490
But seriously, her Ultimate shouldn't have an audio warning. Her ability isn't like Soldier 76's or McCree's, where you hear it and go, "Oh shit, I'd better hide!" the reaction is, "Oh, where is she? I can take my time and shoot her down."
Her Ultimate is much closer to Roadhog's, who has no audio queue, but instead has a very slight visual indicator. The visual queue on Pharah is already ridiculously obvious AND she's completely vulnerable while she's doing it. There's no reason she has to shout and let everyone know what she's doing before she's even started.
>>341474168
He can, and easily. But because of his big hitbox Hanzos scatter arrow used well absolutely fucks him. Just engage when that's down, jump up and down while attacking as to not provide easy headshots and you're good to go.
Does anyone know who has the strongest sustained damage?
Max charged Zarya or max charged Symmetra?
>>341473892
>What is: not going in alone like a retard
You don't even need to coordinate, just go in around the same time as your team and the focus will not be on you
Why are you people so shit with Pharah? She used to be the primary target of the "Press Q for PoTG" meme
>>341474168
Hanzo is much more equipped to deal with winston. If he lands a scatter arrow at your feet then its over, doubly so if you do it with both of you in a shield
speaking of winston's shield, it is on way too long a cooldown for how little it protects. Make it lock enemies and yourself in or explode when it breaks or something.
>>341465757
He's a tank, and their ults aren't 'press Q to kill ppl' like Dva's, there's more finesse to them.
>Reinhardt
Knock down and swing like crazy
>Roadhog
Push ppl off the map or point/payload
>Zarya
Launch some right clicks into the pile
>Winston
Knock some shit around
>>341473503
Youre meant to use the jump more like a classic rocket jump. You're supposed to stay in the air for 2-3 rockets, then get back down before enemies catch wind of you. Some maps like Route 66 and Gibraltar Pharah has way easier time doing this.
If you keep jumping back up from the exact same place all the time, you're doing it wrong. Advantage with the jump is that people generally dont stare into the sky all that much, so you can get 1-3 surprise rockets from there easy, unless theres enemy snipers with clear view of the entire battlefield.
>>341459864
When do i left fire with roadhog and when do i right fire?
I never seem to get it right.
I fucking love Zarya when the enemy team has a roadhog or a Reinhardt. Denying these hook or charge kills is too fun
Mei only needs one of these 3 things:
Lower health by 50, lower speed a bit, or make it so that freezing people has a 1-2 sec cooldown before staring the freezing process on the same target again.
Widow needs 25-50 less health and an actual notification when she ults like everyone fucking else in the game.
In general the game needs to have traps, and turrets disappear 1 second after the person that did them dies. Dead status/bodies needs to go away after about 3 seconds, not stay till they spawn again. Less health pickups in general or moved to much harder to find/out of the way locations.
There's more but I don't wanna type anymore
>>341474204
Junkrat's tire can climb walls, move itself and is an aoe instant kill.
In what way is that harder to surprise people with than JUSTICE R-AUUUGH
Pharah beats Junkrat because Junkrat can't hit flying targets.
>Get a legendary for Zenyatta
>Oh right, I used to love Zenyatta! Why don't I play him more?
>Step out of spawn
>Get hit by a single arrow that wasn't even aimed at me and die
>Oh right, that's why
Zenyatta is far, far too weak to not have any movement abilities. His HP should be 100 shields, 40 armor, and 10 regular health.
>>341474168
No, A good Hanzo wrecks Winston's shit 90% of the time.
>>341474698
left fire when they're a bit further to you. right when they're right in your face. after you right fire you should do a melee attack because it comes out very quickly
Roadhog is one of the best characters in the entire game. He is useful on every single map. Has high health, his weapon does way too much damage for a tanky character, his heal is broken, his hook stops everything and can almost always guarantee a kill. I have more gold medals than bronze and silver at 135 because of how good he is.
>>341474698
Left when youre up close, right when they're 10-15 meters away from you. The ball coming out doesnt do much damage, but then its like a normal shotgun shot when it explodes, so you have to shoot it in a way it explodes right in front of enemy's face.
>>341467367
She's just a shitty Winston at this point.
>>341474925
>Completely random scatter arrow down choke point
>Hits the tank in the face
>Scatters down the hall way I'm sitting in and instantly kills me
>>341474925
honestly why isn't zenyatta just kinda tanky like 250+ hp? zero mobility should have some upside
Please, please do something for Zenyatta. I don't know enough about game balance to really propose anything substantial but I love his concept and I love playing him but he's just so outclassed.
What would you do to buff him, /v/?
>>341475246
because his discord orb turns enemies into tissue paper like him. Really you can't buff him without nerfing that or just removing his heal entirely
>>341474489
They're both close. I think its something like Symmetra at 120 and Zarya at 115. But Zarya is always losing shield charge, and she physically can't stay at max charge for more than 4 seconds.
>>341474902
>and aoe instant kill
No it's not
If Pharah is dying during her voice line then she was likely being shot at right before using it and it was poor play from them. The enemy doesn't know when to expect it beforehand but yea hearing "FIRE IN THE HOLE" along with a roaring engine is very subtle.
>>341474698
M1 shoots the scrap straight away in front of you.
M2 shoots a ball of scrap that explodes after traveling a small distance.
You do the math.
>>341475246
That's a bit much.
>>341465289
>She already can't stand off with the majority of characters 1v1
Lol what the fuck? Mei is literally the best 1v1 character in the game as soon as she gets on somebody they are guaranteed to die.
>>341475426
It really is. Fighting a good Zenyatta with Torb's armor and Symmetra's shield is absolute hell
>>341475391
Yes it is.
Dont detonate it in the air, it deals reduced damage.
>>341475285
Armor / Nerf the shit out of his damage.
Or move him to defensive, nerf the shit out of his healing and buff his hp. I'd honestly prefer the second one. Zenyatta is so fucking fun as a orb chucking glass cannon.
McCree still needs a massive nerf. There's still people silly enough to even bother playing him, he's wasting community time/thought and causing our team to lose when we have a teammate that chooses him.
>>341463540
>his hook is hitscan
No, it isn't. Please stop spreading this misinformation. Look it up and educate yourself; hook is not hitscan at all. The reason that it appears to pull you from around corners sometimes is the delay between it latching on to an enemy and actually pulling them in.
>>341475567
Why not just allow him to self heal?
>>341475654
McCree actually does his job and only his now.
Though it annoys me that Reaper can escape him quite easily now.
>>341475246
>>341475370
This
Orb of discord is way too powerful, and his M1 is fucking good too. Accurate and powerful with no damage fall off.
>>341475567
I'd be very okay with a higher HP Zenyatta whose primary motivation is to deal damage and get discord orbs off, with healing as a smaller secondary function.
>>341474925
His HP should be 50 health, 50 armor, 50 shield. Perfectly balanced.
>>341468865
I once had 7.2k self heal with Roadhog in 3 rounds KotH on Nepal, all while my team complained that there was no heal anywhere.
>what are health packs
I even had little less healing done than the other teams' Lucio, he had around 8k.
heal yourself, idiots, we need at least one tank if the enemy has 2, why would you pick Tracer or Genji against a Roadhog and Zarya anyway, they can't do enough damage and these have mates around them, so getting close is even more suicidal than usual.
>>341475801
Shields do autoheal.
>>341474994
Thanks my friend
>>341475385
So the only real big difference is Zarya's beam is a lot longer and is somewhat a line aoe right?
>>341475815
M2 is rubbish though, pretty much only useful for getting cheap shots on targets at spawn/Mei ice block.
It should be just one big powerful orb or a shotgun blast.
>>341475285
+100 health or +50 health and a change to his orbs. Either an orb pool for double harmony or discord or one of each or possibly something like harmony orbs will still heal players who break line of sight until they're topped off. He definitely needs more health because a hero in the lowest health tier needs mobility and Zen has none.
>>341475801
>Why not just allow him to self heal?
Like with pretty much every other possible buff, it makes him a damage dealing powerhouse. He was INSANE in beta and they nerfed the shit out of him. Hes still in that nerf valley, but any buff risks bringing him back to that insane level.
>>341475552
I'm well aware of that
It still doesn't instant kill everyone
>>341476068
You know exactly what I mean.
>>341476156
>He was INSANE in beta
Okay, but here's the thing. WHY was he insane in beta?
>>341461223
Reduce explosion range
Did anyone else take notice that Roadhog+Zarya is becoming a thing much more frequently now?
>>341476312
He shat out damage whilst healing.
>>341465235
>i play tracer with sub 30% accuracy
Give DVA a leap ability outside of her mech that she can use to maneuver herself after she gets out of it and not die instantly.
Make DvA and her Mech invulnerable during the getting inside animation.
Make it so summoning a new Mech kills anyone directly under you when it lands. This combos well with her new leap ability.
Re-do the spread on her cannons, because you do almost no damage unless you're at point blank range.
Take out her fucking crit-box. When you're facing someone it feels like you have half as much health.
Defense matrix doesn't properly block hook right now for some reason.
Any or all of those changes are my suggestions, probably not all of them because then she'd be OP.
Also her ult is fucking SHIT.
>>341459864
Honestly I think Reinheardt needs a nerf
His shield has way to much fucking health and regen rate and basically makes Bastion/turret combos nearly impossible to counter if they have a competent team around them. Just half his shield health or something because you literally can't push against him unless you're a turret Bastion or Junkrat/Phara after some sustained fire
McCree got nerfed for his ridiculous burst damage which shreds every character in the game, not his ability to stun other players.
>>341464659
Thank god you don't work on Blizzard's balance team, because that is an awful set of ideas.
Even "OGs" can't git gud in this game.
>>341476149
I think rather than HP or mobility he should just be able to bypass ground-based attacks, Rein ult, Beartrap etc. This would give him some viability in more situations but not make him a must pick or a high pick for all scenarios like an HP boost would.
I mean he cant be one shot by Widow anymore to the body. Is that not enough?
>>341473351
It shouldn't clip through the floor or staircases
>>341475567
Giving him movement speed gives him more survivability without touching his hp.
>>341476156
That give him a niche then.
Or make his debuff reduce enemy damage or something, basiically give him a reason to be picked, 50% damage is big but it's not big enough to get rid of such good healing from Lucio or Mercy or another damage and utility character.
>>341476475
Ultradavid was literally never good at fps quit your lying son.
>>341476439
>Also her ult is fucking SHIT.
Her ult does exactly what it needs to do
Scare people off objectives and kill people dumb enough to stay there.
>>341476569
Also makes him way more dangerous as a damage dealer. I hate to be this asshole as just the other thread i was mentioning how annoying and non-productive it is to actual discussion, but really any buffs for him push him towards damage dealer.
>>341476475
He's right about the grenades.
They are fine on direct hit, allow him to get 180 damage but it's silly as fuck running into a grenade that he lobbed off at some surface and then you proceed to walk on it and die.
Give Zenyatta 50 more shields
Junkrat's mine doesn't start cooldown until it blows up or is destroyed.
Direct hits with Pharah's conc missile stun.
Torbjorn's active turret is always upgraded to 3 when he ults, even at level 1. Placing a new turret during his ult still has to be manually upgraded.
Winston's damage ramps up while his gun is active. Starts weaker, ends stronger.
Roadhog gets an unmasked skin.
>>341476439
Her ult should summon an AI controlled MEKA that follows you and shoots what you shoot, then explodes when the ult ends
>>341464381
Aim for the head/neck. Your gun CAN headshot. You can even 2 shot tanks because they have fatter heads.
Also melee right after your shot.
>>341476443
Nah, Reinhardt is perfect. The problem isn't Reinhardt, it's Bastion.
>>341459864
>Buff
My character
>Nerf
My counters
>>341476192
Remind me of the 650 health characters in the game.
Guys
Nerf?
>>341476481
I like that idea but Blizzard probably wouldn't go through the effort to make it happen. Likely he'll just get flat +health or flat +healing rather than something interesting.
>>341476475
Hes right about M1. Not only is the aoe on non directs huge for something he can shit out like nobodies business they did the same shit with Hanzo to his grenades so i can aim like 15 degrees to the left or right and stilll get direct shots because fuck you that's why.
>>341476443
You should play Reinhardt and see exactly how fast his shield can drop if the enemy team is on point.
>>341463620
trade?
>>341476958
It's not even that, it's just that this combo really doesn't have a way around it since the only two weapons that go through shields are Symmetra's and Winstons.
Not even Genji can drop the shield with reflected damage, you pretty much need a coordinated push and an ult to deal with this incredibly easy and fast to set up strategy.
>>341473512
>Pharah
>Counters McCree
What inagineary world do you live in. McCree is hitscan. Any character with a good range hitscan weapon decimates Pharah ( Widow, McCree, 76 )
>>341477116
Junkrat precisely needs high damage or he has no role in the fight. He's the TF2 Demoman, hes supposed to cut off pathways entirely with a barrage of grenades. If the damage on them would suck, he wouldnt have a role anymore when tanks can just ignore all that.
And just like Demoman, its the weapon itself which gives him clear weaknesses.
>durr roadhog gives them a free ult durr
>be roadhog
>give enemy their ult
>let them do their ult
>hook them and cancel it
>shoot them
>>341459864
>Zenyatta
>Buff Health to 200, increase movement speed slightly.
>Harmony heals + add speed.
>Discord debuffs + add slows.
>>341462345
healing gives ultimates to the enemy team?
>>341477310
Drug dealer.
>>341477039
It's a staggered radius, the 600 is pretty much within a few feet of the tire itself and then it starts dropping off. I've failed to kill tanks before due to them being too far from the epicenter.
>>341477339
Get shit-ton of Genjis, and Symmetra can spam right click to kill the bastion or at least force them away.
If its the reinhardt-bastion-mercy combo, then you need team coordination to take it down, since thats half of their team COORDINATING to kill you anyway.
>>341477040
triple widow, lucio, reinhardt, and a frontline dps or another reinhardt
>>341477039
What is armor
What is can only kill multiple people grouped together
What is can get destroyed
What is what happened to all the other points I made that you had no retort for?
I swear garbage players will do anything to prove themselves
>>341474698
>these are the retards you get stuck with in pubs
>>341460375
>>341461589
The flip side of this is that if you have a Roadhog that's always doing something and an itinerant Mercy she'll never not have her ult also.
>>341477391
His damage falloff is so bad she can rocket him while all he does is tickle her
>>341477486
>enemy team builds ults
>they shitstomp your team members with it
>but my fat ass lived and got the sicknasty kill so it's OK
>>341477452
Eh. When every map bar payloads have pre defined points he can blanket in high damage no skill area denial i think you've got a clash of design philosophy and something needs to change.
>>341477040
A team that is not retarded can obliterate all torb
>>341468610
I wish I could mentally blow up people's computers.
Posters like this are always on my team.
If you're 13, fine. Otherwise you're beyond help.
>McCree and Widowmaker just got nerfed
>Some people are still not happy and demand they be nerfed further
>Other people have switched their focus to other characters for nerfs
I fucking knew it. Once a shitter, always a shitter, and you faggots exemplify that. You won't be happy until eveyrbody is nerfed and the game is a dogshit grind because of it. I bet most of you crying shitheads play Dva, too.
>Waaahhh if it can kill me it needs to be nerfed!
Why is overwatch built up like there are 3 factions fighting each other when in reality, you can play winston and slay tracer over and over with reaper and widowmaker in your team?
>>341477505
What great buffs. Goddamn.
How do I tell if someone is aimbotting?
I sometimes get the feeling that people are hacking as Hanzo or Widowmaker.
>>341463810
>rein shitter cant play other tanks
you cant make this up
>>341478068
Basically this. Just switch to pharah to counter torb; he cannot deal with rocket spam.
>>341473234
just shoot it and it's gone.
>>341478002
Also, i was more complaining about how fucking easy direct hits are on him, high damage is a secondary point and you're probably right, but still that level of area denial when 90% of the game objectives are fixed locations is insane.
>>341477894
I literally pick McCree when there's a Pharah on the enemy team unchecked and proceed to kill her from the other side of the room in 3-5 hits every time. What are you talking about?
>>341476135
you're not playing zen right then
the most success ive found with his M2 is if someone is chasing me, ill discord them, find myself to a room or hallway with a doorway that they will obviously come through in 2 seconds, charge up my M2 and help them get to 0 hp in a millisecond
>>341477519
>tfw used to pick up a lot of weight from nerdy asian guy who sat at home and play WoW and Starcraft all day
>tfw it's always the people you least suspect
my neighbor things I'm a software engineer
>>341478173
Shut up, trash.
>>341478116
Because it was originally going to be an MMO.
>>341468795
you cant even get double tapped as zen anymore, you'll be left with 18 health but you'll be alive.
>>341478257
McCree never kills me as Pharah, what are you talking about?
>>341478316
Make me
>>341477505
this. except keep his health 150, he needs to stay a glass canon or he will be pretty op.
He needs to support the team and debuff the enemies. this buff would allow that to be much better.
>>341459864
>I don't see why Mcree recieved a nerf when Roadhog is pretty similair.
Because Roadhog is shit. I'm not going to draw up an essay as to why as I'm sure other people have covered it, but Roadhog is a bad character.
>>341478416
>>341478257
>My anecdotal evidence is more pertinent than yours!
>>341478173
It's not really aimbotting, it's just shitty hitboxes coupled with the fact that you're always .5 seconds behind where you think you are and that your footsteps are extremely loud.
>>341478434
Nobody hacks, you're just complete garbage and need to justify your losses.
Fuck off.
Lets ignore everyone who cries nerf this, nerf that
Who in this game legitimately needs buffs
Obviously Dva comes to mind, since overall she's considered the worst character in the game.
Zenyatta definately needs some kind of buff but I'd say they need to nerf his discord orb at the same time.
Symmetra could use a minor buff, maybe even just a tweak. Slight decrease in turret count cooldown maybe? I don't know.
Mei feels like shes a whole bucket of worms where she can't be buffed without pissing off normies and nerfing her is pointless. Honestly the hero needs a rework of some sort.
>>341477569
>Is an AOE instant kill
>No it's not
>Yes it is, here's proof
I never claimed it was like D.Vas but it is in fact an instant kill AOE, just detonate it close to the
>>341477697
>What is armour
Not enough to save anyone unless it's added armour like a Torb pack.
>What is can only kill multiple people grouped together
Like Pharah's unless you're playing against literal drooling retards.
>What is can get destroyed
Like Pharah as well, except that she's COMPLETELY MOTIONLESS
>What is what happened to all the other points I made that you had no retort for?
What other points?
The argument was that Pharah's ult is easier to surprise with, it's not by any stretch of the imagination, it's loud, immobile and can't instant kill.
Whether or not you think it's better in general isn't the point.
>>341478475
>he needs to stay a glass canon or he will be pretty op.
Honestly they should just nerf his damage and avoid the minefield of turning him OP with every minor tweak.
>>341478601
>Nobody hacks
not even him but you are full of shit. i guess those people that blizzard banned were just rude to players
>>341478002
>he can blanket in high damage no skill area denial
Thats the point of entire Junkrat. Thats why he's on defence in the first place. Nerfing damage doesnt make him area denial anymore, so then he fucking sucks and nobody plays him. If enemy junkrat is spamming grenades on another side of an L-shaped small hallway, you cant and wont get through (except with something like D.Va or Reaper). You have to find another route.
Meanwhile on those other routes the usefulness of that same junkrat can be extremely limited because his grenades kinda suck in more open areas. And Junkrat gets countered by pretty much the same characters Bastion does. Junkrats are generally easy kills out in the open for most of the character cast.
>>341478631
>I'd say they need to nerf his discord orb at the same time
lost all credibility
Why the fuck did they nerf McCree so bad? Did he deserve that?
He's fucking useless now.
>>341467393
You make over $40 an hour? What job do you have?
>>341467197
Do you man his ult? Pretty sure the other guy meant the bombs that drop when you die as junkrat.
>>341459864
roshhog is not similar at all as lucio and mercy i an get away from him and the issue with mcree was that he shreded tanks
>>341459864
First, Roadhog's combo does a lot less damage than McCree. Every tank can survive it, and the 250 HP classes have a chance at surviving.
Second, his hook is much harder to hit than Flashbang.
Third, his shots have a lot of spread and he does pitiful ranged damage. McCree suffers much less from range.
Fourth, he just charges ult for the enemy team. Sure, he charges Mercy too, but that's one ult against 4-5 (depending on how many supports are on the enemy team).
Basically, I think Roadhog is fine, they just need to fix the way the hit collision works on his hook, which is more of a server and netcode issue than anything else.
As for what I think needs buffs/nerfs:
Mercy's ult still charges a bit too quickly.
Symmetra should be able to carry up to 6 turrets, her turrets should have a bit more health, and she should be able to destroy her teleporter and regain ult charge based on its remaining uses.
Mei is just an annoying character. Not OP, just irritating as fuck and should be removed from the game (or completely reworked).
D.Va needs her hitbox either moved or drastically shrunk, and for either her guns spread and drop off reduced or her movement speed penalty when firing eliminated.
Genji should do more damage with his quick melee, and his shuriken reload time should be reduced.
Hanzo needs his arrow hitboxes corrected.
Zenyatta should be immune to Junkrat's trap (because he's floating), and his orbs should last 5s rather than 3s.
>>341478601
http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/06/02/overwatch-bans-thousands-of-cheaters
>>341478810
>Useless
>Can still melt Tanks if he gets double fan out
>Can still one-shot every character that's not a tank
Why is it no surprise a tripfag talks about things he has no idea about.
One fan does 270 damage.
>>341478832
>He doesn't make decent money
>he also has terrible reading comprehension and deductive ability
I can see why you have a shitty job.
>>341461035
>Zarya's shield need a buff
As a Zarya main, fuck you. You're really shitty.
>>341478631
do not touch the fucking discord, that is why you pick zenyatta at all.
up the damage on the charge attack from 35 per to 45 just like the default attack. maybe shave 1 second off the charge up.
increase move speed so maintaining line of sight is easier and there is more options for fighting instead of do or die.
>>341472449
>Pretty much the only way I die with her is ultimates, snipers, or getting blindsided
yea like everybody kek
>nerf bastion
how are people still bad enough to have this opinion
>>341478780
Its probably the best skill in the game balanced out by being on the more flimsiest hero.
So really any buff to zenyatta that makes him able to survive better or heal faster makes that skill all more crucial to the game.
>>341478972
>Giving IGN clicks
This isnt Reddit. Archive that shit:
http://archive.is/umqFg
>>341473024
Infinite range AoE damage with negligible falloff.
Juggles
Better AtG game
Better pocket.
>>341478637
>It's instant if you're close enough
lmao k
The fact that you think there are more reasons to play Junkrat over Pharah is laughable considering they are in different roles.
I said surprise with the ult, what do you not understand about that?
>>341478679
Then that kind of ruins his point, he's a high damage debuff support and that's what I like about him.
He's a really weird case where you've gotta give him an outside the box buff, like a speed boost on harmony or making his debuff more substantial in a way that ISNT more damage.
You have to have a reason to want him on your team instead of a better healer or another damage dealer.
>playing torb
>zen sits behind me with heal orb on me
>discord orbs any enemy that comes past my turrets line of site
>nothing stands a chance
>>341459864
>- You can heal yourself for 300 health on a pretty short cooldown.
Which makes him an even better ult-battery.
Give Reaper two Peacemaker revolvers with increased damage dropoff. Change the channel time of Reapersitioning so it's all frontloaded and he can act as soon as he actually teleports. If he's airborne during DIE DIE DIE he does Rainstorm until he hits the ground but it's otherwise the same.
Give McCree a double barreled shotgun, very jangly boot spurs and increase the emissions from his cigar to a visible trail that he leaves for ~2 seconds. His new right click fires two shells at once. Replace the stun grenade with exhaling smoke, which stuns similarly to his grenade but in a less ridiculous AoE to justify the speed. Make him "the guy that comes around a corner and instagibs you for not hearing him coming" instead of "the guy who just is anywhere he wants to be and instagibs you for existing."
>>341459864
Only thing about Road Hog I think is stupid is his mid battle heal.
Getting damaged during a heal should delay it or cancel or something.
So is this game dying or can I still find people online if I buy it now?
Played the open beta and havent bought it yet.
Junkrat's death bombs are literally only useful against Reaper. Should just remove it or make him drop one bomb with a bigger explosion.
>>341478832
not him but i inspect buildings and make $25 per building. some can be tiny office spaces that take like 10 minutes so some days i make like $100 an hour
>>341470027
You forgot that Zarya's shields negate and reverse the freezing effects.
If you and your teammate are caught in Mei's ult, shield yourself and your teammate and you'll suffer no slowdown.
>>341468145
I'm sure that works every time, every time being whenever all of the following requirements align:
- You and the Mei are dueling for some reason and neither one of you got jumped.
- You have both of those off cooldown
- This particular Mei doesn't know how to cancel early out of ice block.
- She doesn't ice wall YOU or THE TRAP or THE MINE or HERSELF or anything really.
- She doesn't accidentally oneshot you with m2.
- You are actually as good as you claim you are at aiming the mine so she flies directly into the trap, every time, after which you can aim perfectly again somehow to actually kill her. She never moves the slightest bit and it never messes with the fly arc, and she never casts an ice wall or shoots.
Sounds like you have a legitimate strategy though. This does basically mean that in this team based game, Mei is useless on the whole.
>>341479479
It's instant kill on every single character at point blank range and on most characters beyond that.
You said it was EASIER to surprise people with.
It is not.
>>341478173
i did come across an INSANELY suspicious widow the other day.. i'd look at the kill cam and she would see one pixel of red and get headshots
in one of them, i was behind a tree's leaves, and a tiny bit of my leg showed through the foilage (you couldn't even tell it was my leg on the replay, you could barely even see that someone was there) and she somehow headshot me
anyway, i don't know if there are aimbots that blizzard hasn't found out about yet (they've banned thousands that were using an older one), but from my days playing 1.6, usually the best way to tell someone was hacking would be how they move their crosshair. if it without fail snaps to someone's head, especially with a "jerky" movement (a lot of hackers will move their mouse over to the target, turn on the aim bot while moving, which will then snap their mouse to the right spot which comes across looking odd on replays)
>>341478518
Just did it on bots and the damage seemed the same. I figured they nerfed his damage from long range but it seems the same. Still able to kill Pharahs very quickly from long distances.
>>341479713
Lots of people playing don't worry about that. The game is just shit.
>>341479753
Lot of Meis have the bad habit of staying too close after killing Junkrats.
>>341467553
Widows ult generates while it's still active
>>341479529
I don't think in anyones imagination he was 'designed' to be a damage dealer. Maybe in the sense that Discord buffs other damage dealers. But he himself, even with discord, shouldn't be a damage dealer.
While i'll admit that like you i really enjoy that style of play as Zen, it's simply not going to be what they balance around, so getting rid of a high damage output saves everyone some time when discussing his balance as a healer.
Tracer is fucking annoying and there needs to be a cool down between dashes that is shared with her rewind.
Zarya's self shield could use a lower CD.
Mei's ult robot should be able to be destroyed.
Koth overtime should be based on number of team members on the point so Tracers just can't stall forever.
D.Va's ult should not have the triangle on it, base damage on mech should be buffed.
Mercy gets ult too quickly it feels.
Zenyatta should get a health increase and discord orb should lower an enemies damage, not increase damage done.
Soldiers biotic field heals less, but he gets a base health increase.
>>341473234
If you cant listen for a "BWAAAAAAABWAAAAAANUNUNUN" loud ass engine tire, please stop playing.
>>341468301
>Winston - No skill whatsoever, you don't even need to aim
True, the electrical beam does a u-turn if you face the wrong direction. It also has great range, and does a lot of damage. And it stuns the opponent so they can't just walk away. Also good thing you have an extremely high health shield to protect yourself with as you whittle away I mean delete your target's health. Jump tracks automatically as well, so there's that.
>>341479713
I dunno man. They just reported 10 million players now.
Thank fucking god none of you faggots are in charge of balance.
Zenayatta needs a needs either a mobility buff, or a health buff. Also his discords should allow infared sight on that player while marked. Otherwise he is balanced, his discord rips through tanks, a health buff of 50 would be to op and make zenyatta more of a offensive char rather than a debuffer, his low health allows him to have that 50% debuff.
just give him some fcking mobility.
>>341459864
Symm needs to start with 6 charges of her Turret. 3/6 means that she has an even larger downtime of setting things up, which makes her less useful in any kind of sliding retreat back to a point. Also her Q should be able to charge while her Teleporter is down, or just remove the max # of users that can teleport. Alternatively maybe give her a % of energy every time someone uses her Teleporter so if it gets used all 6 times then she is already at like 90%.
Reinhardt needs 100 more armor imo, he should be equal to Roadhog when it comes to pure health. Improve the hitbox on his dash because I see a lot of times that he 'hits' someone and they get bounced rather than pinned.
D.VA needs her critbox on the back of her mech, and either remove the slow on her attack or increase its range, because it is stupid that the weapons are made useless by stepping back 5ft.
Mei's freeze should be based on the players max health, so D.VA's pilot form would freeze in 2 seconds while her mech or Roadhog might take 6-8 seconds to freeze.
Junkrat needs to deal less damage with his left click and take damage from his mines unless they are below him. I don't think he is meant to be able to throw out his mine and detonate it mid air in close quarters. Also his main weapon's drop off was a disadvantage early in the game, but by now everyone knows how to properly angle it to bombard people.
Roadhog's main weapon needs similar range to D.VA's mech. The whole point of his hook is to grab you and bring you close. I see all the Roadhogs practically sniping with their left click and that is insane.
Zenyatta needs to be able to throw out multiple healing orbs, but the los and max distance stay the same. Maybe nerf amount healed a little bit so it is somewhere between Mercy and Lucio to make it more fair. His shields are fine because of his insane damage, but imo it was his ability to heal that was suffering.
>>341479713
>10 million players
This game isn't dying anytime soon. Buy it if you want.
>Zenyatta
>Health remains at 150, faster health recharge and small movement speed increase.
>Harmony Orb now heals and increases movement speed.
>Discord Orb now debuffs and decreases movement speed.
>Symmetra
>Turrets now link together, if placed properly, increasing both their damage output and resistance to damage.
>Her shields now recharge on heroes.
>Hanzo
>Add double jump ability.
>Decrease cooldown on mark arrows.
Make Winston's ult not shit. Give him a secondary with more damage or increase how much his sissyslaps do. Currently its only purpose is a second healthbar.
>>341459864
Add genderbend costumes for everyone
How can you guys live with yourselves playing the new LoL?
How can you enjoy playing a game infested with 12 year old LoL players?
>>341480483
Her shields already recharge on heroes.
What are you talking about
Everybody suggesting these Zenyatta health/damage/healing changes is fucking retarded
What Tranquil Robot Man needs is for his discord orb to highlight the enemy for your teammates (which i think someone itt suggested) and *maybe have his orbs last slightly longer while not in LoS. Boom, he's fine.
Why are you asshats standing out in the open with him and whining about his health? Just peek in and out of cover, the orbs will stay on whoever you put them on that way and you won't die like a fucknut. With his discord and remote healing utility his low health and mobility are fair
Remove every character but Reaper from the game.
Double-remove Tracer from the game and delete all evidence of her existence from the internet. Wipe out anyone who even whispers her name in real life.
Add Girl-Reaper.
>>341480145
His damage output isn't even that high, especially for someone with a projectile weapon, such low health and no mobility.
I don't like the idea of making discord slow messes with high mobility characters that are meant to handle him, I prefer the idea of a damage debuff for more team play.
I just want Mei to be slowed down when she's firing her freezing gun. It's rather silly if I use my escape cooldowns and if she's still hot on my ass she can finish the job.
>>341480741
Faster recharge, sorry.
>what needs nerfs
People's egos.
>what needs buffs
Teamwork
>Play Roadhog
>Hook
>Enemy ends up behind me
>He's at full health because >Roadhog
>DIE DIE DIE
fug dis
>>341480483
>Zenyatta
>Harmony Orb now heals and increases movement speed.
>Discord Orb now debuffs and decreases movement speed.
yes.
>Symmetra
>Her shields now recharge on heroes.
that diminishes the need for symettra to be a support, if she can 1 and done her shield buff then she isnt looking out for players or really providing support. her shields are fine.
>Hanzo
>Add double jump ability.
i could see it, though it shouldn't be as mobile as gengi's. (not as high of a jump, or unable to jump again after wall climb like gengi)
who has a worse ultimate?
>>341477040
>Hanamura
>all torb defence at B
>Literally nothing you can do
>>341480814
>His damage output isn't even that high
I don't know about you, but i've 1v1d tanks and won, easily.
>>341479243
t. Bastion shitter
>>341481083
McCree's is so easy to stop. Only way to get if off is being really far away.
Literally no-one capitalizes on Zarya ults.
>>341480768
That's still not gonna make him a preferred pick for any reason.
He needs something unique, not just a number adjustment.
>>341481168
You shouldn't be doing that to anyone except Rein because of range.
>>341481128
Depending how shit the team is you can Allahu akbar with D.va and have pharah and widow as backup to take down reconstruction.
Hanamura and Anubis are fucking bullshit on attack.
>>341481083
Soldier 76 is one of my most played between McCree and Roadhog, he has a great ultimate, you just don't know how to use it.
Don't expect to wipe a whole team with it, don't expect to melt a tank in .5 seconds with it. Use your helix rockets with it, flank enemy teams from the side, from behind, or from above with it. If you start using it right you'll average about 3 kills at least and the enemies left over can easily be cleaned up by you and your team because S76 is just so good at that shit even without his ult. It's not a DIE DIE DIE or NERF THIS team-wiper, it's more of a really great assist and you should use it that way.
>>341459864
Roadhog didn't get nerfed because it actually takes some amount of skill to land a hook. Roadhog actually has to hit the hook, then shoot and melee, preferably while aiming at the enemy's head. Mcree just taps E then taps mouse 2, and everyone outside of the tank category died immediately.
tl;dr Roadhog isn't broken. Mcree was.9
Zenyatta now controls four different orbs: Harmony, Discord, Slow, Speed
He can give both friendly orbs to one hero or a harmony for one and speed for another. This also applies for enemies and debuff orbs
Zenyatta pretty much becomes the most in-depth hero with a large emphasis on micromanagement and situationality.
>>341481083
>All squishies are killed near instantly
>Can swap targets and adapt to the enemys behaviour
>Even if there's no squishies available to shoot it still ups his damage insanely and will take down Roadhog and D.Va in seconds.
Zenyatta Buffs:
>Discord orbs last 5 secs and provide infared sight for allies.
>Harmony orbs increase speed.
>200 health (add 50 HEALTH not SHEILD)
>some mobility either a speed increase or ability that allows faster movement.
>Tranquility now discords enemies inside circle as well as heals. (takes longer to charge)
>>341461035
>Shitrat needs his suicide bomb removed because allah akbar and that shit is just fucking retarded.
You're the kind of person I love making mad with that shit, no one ever suspects it, even better when you walk right on my bear trap like a doofus.
>>341481849
>how to break zenyatta
>>341481969
You don't know what the suicide bomb is clearly.
>>341481795
Furthermore, he can also use harmony and speed on himself
>>341477884
Except retard roadhogs self heal themself instead of letting Mercy top them up, and NO ONE gets ult from that.
>>341481795
how would you switch around his buttons? remove his M2 charge? turn quick melee into the slow orb?
LETS ADD MORE ORBS isn't really that thought out
>>341481128
Easy.
Have your team go 3 D.VAs. You win that actually.
Roadhog is fine. Reaper and Bastion need a nerf right up the ass.
i will remind everyone that zenyatta was THE most broken hero in the game when he had 50 more hp and perma-orbsi just want to be able to discord orb while charging M2 honestly
>>341480989
Qftd
>>341481849
discord idea for tranquility is interesting but it might be op.
they would have to decrease heals per second to 200 instead of 250.
it would be nice if they changed that fckn ability, its lame and basically the same fcking thing as Lucio's.
>>341479941
The tire is loud as fuck and has an initial callout
How the fuck is easier to suprise with? Because you can climb walls? Pharah can jump walls.
is the patch out yet for eu? it wasn't yesterday but was for america server.
>>341482428
Reaper needs to be right up close to someone just to do a significant amount of damage and Bastion is pretty fucking terrible outside of camp mode, and even then most get destroyed by Genji's parry.
>>341481849
You guys know that in the beta, his Harmony and Discord Orbs were not LOS and he was an instant OP character? Just that and he was already so good.
Then you are giving him that kind of buffs? You people must be trolling now really.
>>341471630
>>341472885
Doesn't that mean he healed that much % of the total damage he took back? So then the % doesn't matter in terms of ults fed, but the total damage would, and I don't know how the number we see compares.
>>341479941
>FIRE IN THE HOLE
>Junkrat fucking screams this
>The tire has a loud motor noise that can be heard anywhere
>The tire can also be destroyed
>Crying about his ult
You're a little bitch.
>>341482703
His Harmony Orbs shouldn't be LoS, his Discord Orbs should be.
There, I fixed Zenyatta.
Add on 25-50 health would help as well.
>>341482601
>Small
>Deals burst damage instead of sustained damage
>Faster
>>341482852
I'm not saying it's broken or even better than Pharah's in general, it's easier to surprise with.
>>341473303
You slow down right away. Anyway I'm sure you don't need to be convinced by me that you can't do what you claim you can do every time. It's even entirely possible you've never played a half decent Mei before. They're rather rare.
>>341482852
What annoys me most about using the tire is when enemy Widow has her wallhacks up but her callout was never played so as soon as I turn a corner she snipes the tire.
>>341482852
>It's clearly subtle though, even more than Widow's!
>>341483127
Widowmaker's ult announcement is so goddamn fucking quiet, you'd never hear it over the gunfire either.
>>341482428
>Reaper
>Need a nerf
>>341483070
Pharah
>Quiet before actually using it
>Can destroy anyone almost instantly when close or even mid
>Can be used at any time while RIPtire is shouted to the whole fucking world 3 seconds before it's usable
>>341482703
What if Discord wasn't line of sight but was removed after X amount of healing.
>>341472430
>I'm genji/mercy
In a reveal that surprises no one. Yeah, Winston is the counter to those. You're first going to have to get over that and accept that it makes you salty, before anything else. You want to be the lone wolf deleter of the enemy, you're gonna eat some monkey dick every once in a while.
>>341483350
And if the widow is good, say goodbye to any chance of flanking
Okay, so do I have the family dynamics right?
76 - Team Dad
Mercy - Team Mom
D.va - Team Daughter
Pharah - Team Aunt
Reaper - That crazy uncle nobody likes to bring up
Lucio - Team adoptive son/D.va's bf
Reinhardt - Team Grandpa
>>341459864
He has the biggest hitbox of all the tanks and no form of mitigation. Roadhog is fine as is.
>>341483815
Reinhardt - Team Ex-SS Grandpa
>>341483815
Kill yourself
>>341481452
I've done it to Winstons and D.Vas too.
>>341483397
>Huge streaks of smoke pointing to Pharah who is completely stationary and vulnerable
>Does jack shit at any range above 2 meters
For an ult whose shout is death from above, it's absolutely useless anywhere in the sky.
Why not just give Zenyatta 2 concurrent healing orbs and balance that to equal Mercy / Lucio level of healing. Seems that even 1 orb is so shit compared to them.
>>341459864
Nerf Reapers damage slightly.
Nerf 76's rocket damage so it doesn't one shot, close to one shot is fine tho.
Decrease Roadhog hook range. It's ridiculous how long it goes.
Increase Mei's freeze gun time (slower freeze) and buff her icicle so she is at least viable in higher ranked matches.
Force Winston and Symmetra to target people instead of auto target.
Increase Pharahs direct rocket damage slightly.
Buff dva movement while she's firing or give her a proper shield so she can be a tank.
Reduce the number of people mercy can ress or decrease her ult gain.
Rebalance bastion, give him more spread damage at range and buff his survival.
That's all that comes to mind.
Nerf widow's unscoped damage
Give zenny a small movespeed buff when his harmony/discord orbs are active
>>341483397
Pharah
>Huge floating target
>Has to slowly move into position before that
>Is not instant
>Has to be correctly aimed
>IS NOT INSTANT
Junkrat just needs to rip it from safety and flank the enemy team, not hard with a 100 HP tire that can climb walls and move faster than non amped speed Lucio.
>>341484217
I like this idea
>>341482445
This.
No one appreciate zennyatta it's ridiculous.
his damage output can shred tanks in like 3 seconds
>>341484227
Helix rockets don't one-shot anyone. They only do 120 on a direct hit.
>>341482445
Does discord attatch the moment Zen presses E, or when it arrives? Because if so just press E immediately after charging M2.
>>341461457
>Tracer
I think she's fine, and I hate her. not because she's OP, but because she's really good at being annoying
>>341484565
They're a souped up Pharah rocket with a bigger splash radius and splash damage.
He shouldn't even have anything like that, he should have a grenade.
>>341481969
>kill junkrat
>panic walk past him towards a health pack
>he threw a trap on his corpse
You son of a BITCH.
>>341484565
Considering the rate of fire and the fact that 76 can aim the rockets at the ground it's basically a one shot.
So at least remove the splash damage.
>>341461035
I kind of wish they would make the Junkrat death bombs an alternate fire or something. Let him run into a crowd and detonate them. You are just salty because you dont pay attention to when you drop a Junkrat and just run right over him, thus getting your ass killed because of your own stupidity.
>>341484885
When it arrives.
M2 also has a recovery animation that is quite lengthy and discord can't be applied for the duration of the orbs firing.
>>341484490
So easy to flank when you can hear the "flank" from a mile away
Phara's ult is instant idk what you're talking about
It barely has to be aimed anything on your screen is dead sooner or later
>>341484959
She is good though in the right hands but Fuck 76's rockets instantly killing her while he aims them at the ground near her.
>you will never fuck a cosplayer dressed as Roadhog
Why even live?
I think most the heroes are in a good place.
>D Va needs her headshot box reduced.
>she should be able to shoot while flying/shielding, using her secondary shot to cancel (she doesn't currently have a secondary shot)
>as for damage, she just needs less spread with her shots.
>would be nice if she was given abilities while out of her suit like a roll to help her get away from her blast and an explosive mine or something for defense.
Who's idea was it to give that fat fuck a heal?
>>341485101
Hearing the tire isn't gonna help you when it rounds the corner and instantly detonates in your face.
Which is why it's EASIER to SURPRISE people with.
Pharah's ult is not instant, it doesn't have instant startup and doesnt instantly kill anyone, it's very fast but not instant, unlike tire.
If you "main" any character, I want to throatfuck you to death and then parade your dead body around like a ventriloquist with my hand up your colon.
FUCK YOU, LEARN TO COUNTER PICK
Give D.Va helix rockets
That is all
>I don't see why mcree needed a nerf
>Hes similar to roadhog
>Fire in the hole!
my whole team dies and it seems like I'm dumping bullets into it before he panics and detonates but still kills 3 of us
>ladies and gentlement, start your engines aka I use it
>i'm zig zagging and it still gets shot as soon as I panic blow it and it doesn't detonate
>seems like I took 2 shots to it before it canceled
76 is literally the most balanced character in the cast, why would you wanna nerf helix rockets?
>>341484970
>>341485001
You guys are little faggots.
Seriously, whining about fucking helix rockets transcends whining over just about every other retarded thing I've ever seen in these threads.
>>341485001
>>341485281
Splash damage on the rockets is only 80, with a steep decrease at distance. It's literally the same damage as Pharah's rockets, but once per 8 seconds instead of once per second with 6 rounds. Stop being shit at aiming.
>>341464659
Junkrat already takes damage from half his abilities anyways. His grenades can hurt him and so can his riptire. You are just upset you keep getting blasted away by his concussion mine.
>>341459864
I've got 2 nerf (more like 'rework') ideas and 1 buff idea
>1) Torbjorns Turrets
I think they should take a second or two of animation time to target someone instead of blinking from target to target the EXACT millisecond they are visible to them. I dunno, give them a slight dmg buff to balance it out if you want but change it plss.
>2) Bastions Gatling
I think his gatling should take a second or two to start spinning before shooting. You know? Like any other gatling gun in video games.
3) Buff Symmetra ffs..
I love playing her but she is so inferrior to other heroes. If you wanna go defense, play torbjorne instead. If you wanna play attack, pick ANY other hero than her. I say give her beam a longer range and her charge shot a faster travel-time. That should make her somewhat playable in attack and even capture the point-style matches.
Whaddya think /v/?
>>341485927
Except helix rockets are much faster than Phara's rockets and 76 can instantly start shooting the rest of your health off with his hitscan machinegun while he heals himself negating any damage you might want to do to him.
>>341486156
Concussion mines should hurt him too, honestly.
>>341464875
Get fucking gud. I use the mine the most to escape people getting in my face. For instance Mei and her M1 or her ult. As soon as I notice Im slowing down I drop the mine and launch myself backwards.
>>341486262
Then the argument should be for increasing the speed on Pharah's rockets, not falsely claiming that one does more damage than the other.
Pharah also needs an actual alt-fire. Maybe a rapid-fire option that increases reload time.
>yfw they stealth buffed the charge time on high noon to counteract the fth nerf
>>341486262
>He can't outdamage 76's healing field
>"Well he used both of his cooldowns and focused fire on me to kill me so if you ask me I think that's pretty broken and needs a nerf"
What the fuck.
>Make DvA and her Mech invulnerable during the getting inside animation.
>Make it so summoning a new Mech kills anyone directly under you when it lands.
God, I wish these were in so hard. Should be the punishment for enemy team letting a D.Va actually survive long enough to get her mech back.
>>341484227
>give her a proper shield so she can be a tank.
D. Va's shield is actually really powerful. It blocks all in-coming shots and has a really long range meaning she can block allies pretty far in front of her. It also lasts for 3s, which makes it better at shielding allies in front of you than Zarya. The big issue with her shield is that she can not fire while it is up. Considering it is only 3s, she should be able to fire allowing her to counter turrets and bastions (these currently melt her because her massive headshot box is. )
>>341486224
Forgot to make the buff the symmetra part green.
Pls don't maul me /v/!
>>341486501
Pharah's rockets are fine the way they are.
She's probably the only character in the game who's actually balanced.
>>341486262
And in return they are on an 8s cooldownand distance falloff.
Also Biotic field has a startup animation you know.
>>341486501
Rapid fire for reduced shots and/or reduced damage would be cool.
I often feel like I'm just playing a really bad sniper with her because of how slow the rockets are in travel speed and fire rate.
>>341485558
I do, I just won't play Mei or Tracer.
Does 76 have recoil on his gun?
Does he have recoils when shooting rockets?
>/v/ actually wants reaper nerfs
How
He's Soldier tier and almost perfectly balanced
Not bad, not too strong
>>341487002
None of the heroes have much recoil, it's pretty much imperceptible.
It does have spread the more you shoot the gun, though.
>>341487002
No recoil but spread and mild damage falloff.
>>341481446
>no one capitalizes on Zarya ults
I've only ever seen someone coordinate on her gravity well once. And that was a D.Va ult.
>>341486519
McRee also used 2 cooldowns.
>>341481446
>FIRE AT WILL
>ROCKET BARRAGE INCOMING
>SHIELD'S ON YOU, GO
>TEAM KILL
Best fucking feeling ever.
>>341487002
No one has recoil. The fucking snipers don't have recoil.
>D Va's secondary attack is her light gun.
Did I fix D Va?
>>341486224
I think you're full of shit.
>>341487381
Soldier doesn't instantly kill anyone when he burns both cooldowns with literally no recourse.
