So, now that McCree and Widowmaker have been nerfed can we agree that Reinhardt and this motherfucker are the most overpowered characters in the game and are in desperate need of the next set of nerfs?
if they change anything it's D.Va, she's in a shitty position. Mei could use some love, in what way I couldn't say.
Torbjorns turrets track between targets way too quickly. Just throwing that out there. Other than McREEEEE ganking tanks there wasn't really much wrong with the game in terms of character balance.
>>341431402
Can we stop fucking nerfing people?
Seriously, why don't they get small nerfs, and everyone else gets buffed to their level.
>>341431402
git gud
Reaper was never picked in comp because he was just badMcCree but now that McCree is gutted Reaper is unshackled and is running rampant in pubs with no real hard counter.
>>341431671
If they're already nerfing problem characters might as well hit them all early
>>341431858
this, now that he has literally no counter he's been stomping everyone into the ground, it's common to see multiple taking the place that mccree did
The biggest problem with quick nerfs like that is that we get homos like OP that cant shut up and demand more rather than adapting.
>>341431402
>Reinhardt
are you retarded?
Reaper tho at least needs his Wraith form to have a longer cooldown
Mei needs a nerf. just the fact that people freeze too quickly, its damn near impossible to escape and its not like shes bad at medium range and so HAS to be close to get kills.
D.Va could use a buff. just a M2 that does something, like draw enemies in or do aoe damage
>>341431671
>If they're trying to nudge the game in a healthier direction, why are they just carefully changing a few variables at a time and seeing what happens instead of changing every character at once??
Truly a mystery.
Rein's main issue is that he outclasses all other characters in terms of a pure tanking role. But it comes down to team composition, doesn't call for a nerf imho.
As for Reaper, I do agree he is somewhat too strong. He's a flanker with a pretty reliable escape mechanism and en extra way to regein hp; why is that paired with above average health at 250? If you catch tracer, genji or mccree while their on their cooldowns, they're pretty much dead. This thing will tank the damage and spook away.
And as I mostly play Roadhog lately, Reaper is my absolute nightmare, so my fat, biased thumb is up for a slight nerf.
>>341431402
Holy shit you people are worse than smash players.
>>341431858
>Reaper was never picked in comp
Pretty sure he was picked a few times in that one hero limit tournament.
>>341431579
Mei will be nerfed or completely deleted if anything
>>341431858
But McCree is his counter. He can still kill Reaper in one fan before he gets shotgunned down. The only way Reaper can win against McCree is if he gets lucky. He doesn't even need the flashbang.
Reinhardt needs to have his buggy skills fixed. Especially his charge and ult. He's a good tank but a good Reinhardt is not as good as a good Winston or Zarya.
Once you git gud scrublord you'll see less and less Rein and more and more Zarya and Winstons.
>>341432113
>Mei needs a nerf
Do you play on console? Because on PC she is one of the worst characters.
Oh please you fucking shitters
McCree wasn't the ONLY thing countering Reaper. Not by a long shot
He still has to get close to operate and his close range damage output is just a bit stronger than McCree's now, which is how it should have been
He can't do much to Mei or Pharah.
Soldier and McCree can deal with him easily as long as they don't get dropped on. Tracer too, but she has to be more careful to not get one shot
Roadhog can gib him as long as he gets the hook in
Zarya can disrupt his damage output long enough to either make him retreat or kill him right then.
Not to mention McCree is still one of the only two things that can halt his ult.
stop being bad and pick different heroes. fuck's sake
It's hard to tell after one day, but I kinda like the balance now.
The main problem seems to be that Mercy is still an autopick, or at least Lucio, just because the other support classes are not actually healers. They don't need to be nerfed though, they either need to change the nature of Zenyatta's healing to let him serve a more dedicated role, or they just need new healing characters in general.
Mei and Bastion don't need to be nerfed, but I think they do need to be fundamentally changed. They're both really feel-bad, but actually kind of underpowered. I don't know how you handle that. I think the game would be better without them, frankly.
>>341432269
If Reaper is at full 250 health McCree would have to land all 6 of his bullets from fan the hammer (270 damage), which is surprisingly rare to happen. If he so much as misses a single bullet Reaper can survive and ghostwalk to the nearest souls/hp packs and rape McCree while his shits on CD.
Zenyatta still needs 25-50 more HP.
D.Va still needs buffs.
That's about it.
Widow is still overpowered
it's mainly due to her grapple, shes fundamentally broken
McCree got nerfed into utter uselessness, classic Blizzard balancing
>>341431937
>blizzard quickly nerf two characters before letting them settle
>acting surprised when people see crying catered to and cry more
>>341432642
>McCree can't left click
>>341432318
how can there be a difference, besides tier of player?
I play on PC where mei tends to be rare but a fucking horrible annoyance. Especially when one is on your team and just puts walls FUCKING ANYWHERE
the thing is every character in this game is OP in one way or another, by nerfing their counters you are inevitably gonna make someone else the new king of the hill so to speak. unless you increase the cooldown of every single skill in the game this wont change.
>>341432113
>reinhardt
>not retarded
second highest health, teamwide stun, 70 damage per swing, instant kill pinning against most of the cast
>mei needs nerfs
oh, you're just a console shitter
>>341432564
>spot the reaper main
>>341431402
How the hell are either an issue? Reaper is fairly easy to deal with using most chars, and Rein is only a problem if hes sitting with his shield up. Even that is easily counterable too.
>>341432915
>getting close to a reinhardt
i think i see your problem
mei's freeze time needs a nerf is all. makes it too easy for her and anyone else to rekt you without contest
The only OP heros are Roadhog and JunkRat.
>>341432619
I think the main problem with Mercy/Lucio being autopicked is that they're the only real hard supports in the game, Zenyatta is a glass cannon DPS who just so happens to heal and Symmetra is a defense hero that somehow ended up in the support category. Really the only way to solve that problem would be to just add more supports, though both heroes need to be smacked with an ult charge increase.
>>341432852
>McCree players knowing how to left click
>>341432642
OH NO NOW I ACTUALLY NEED TO TRY TO KILL PEOPLE WITH FAN THE HAMMER? FUCK THIS SHIT GAME.
>>341432152
Reaper is a tank buster. Though Roadhog counters him really easily. While he does good damage close up, hes kinda ass at anything else honestly. He relies very heavily on flanking people to do his job, but has no utility outside of mobility really.
The only people that are complaining about McCree are people that can't aim for fucking shit
His mid-range burst damage is still king
>>341432902
>how can there be a difference, besides tier of player?
Because aiming with the mouse is 10 times easier? That's why Widowmaker is so broken on PC. On console on the other hand Torbjörn, Winston and so on domitate everything.
As of now the game has okay balance. Reaper does absolutely NOT need a nerf, that'd make him completely worthless. McCree was/IS lethal at close range, but he can still dish out crazy good damage from a distance thanks to his accurate hitscan gun. Reaper HAS to be close range to be deadly, and several characters can keep their distance from him easily as well as block his damage or push him away.
>>341433123
do that and mei becomes worthless when she's already very weak.
So, rein should just counter the majority of the cast then? You realize he has a shield that you have to break of get behind right?
>>341431402
Next nerd will be tracer and mei
After that the game will be balanced
>>341433196
>Though Roadhog counters him really easily
That's not true at all. If you miss your hook you're completely fucked. And even if you hit it, he can just press shift unless you do 250 in one shot (or he presses shift before you press m1).
>>341433123
The only nerf Mei needs is that people should regain their normal speed quicker when they're not being attacked.
Its kinda weird how you can dodge Mei's spray by darting around a corner or jumping off a ledge, but still be hit with a massive speed penalty for a while, more than enough time for the Mei to catch up and continue freezing you. Makes escape damn near impossible.
>>341432229
Mei is bad and you're even worse for dying to her. Her only good ability is her ult.
>>341433749
Theres your problem, you're missing. Hook + Headshot = instant death for Reaper.
Pharah needs more health and/or more air control.
Holy fuck why is she so god damn slow in the air who thought that was a good idea?
Every hit-scan weapon that isn't a shotgun shits on her the second she isn't on the ground.
Even the pig man can grab her out of the sky if he is close enough.
>>341433570
>she's already very weak.
her icicles do hella damage for little cost, the freeze spray crap also does damage, her LShift practically makes her invulnerable since she can move and attack immediately after it finishes, so she can escape with a wall or start fighting back, that is if she hasnt picked somewhere that she has allies to muck with you
As for Rein; what is Phara, Reaper, Bastion, Junkrat, Zarya, Torb, Sym, D.Va ???
>>341433889
I don't necessarily disagree but she's a good flanker, she makes very little noise while flying
Nerf tracer reduce her jump to 2 and remove health regain to her rewind
>>341432642
>ghostwalk
Oh no reaper can be a shitter and run away to get health. Guess I'll have to just sit on this objective while he's wasting time being a useless ethereal shit.
>>341431402
How about you learn how to play the game instead of ruining for everyone else?
Double zarya needs to be nerfed
Lucio self healing needs a nerf
D.Va needs a buff
Roadhog needs a nerf
Mercy's pistol and Lucio gun need an accuracy nerfs
Reinhardt needs to stay the same
Bastion needs a 10s cd that allows him to hop/move a small distance in turret form.
Mei needs to lose either the icicle bullshit or 30% of her hp - her control abilities are fine.
Zenyatta needs 25 more hp and double the duration on heal orbs
everything else is acceptable.
>>341431402
>tfw mccree was designed to be able to win every 1on1
>he cant win 1on1s vs roadhog now
>good job shitzzard
>>341432693
hehe
buddha
>>341434031
So he can safely retreat to heal up, how is this worse than the other characters who just outright dies and have to wait for respawn?
>>341431858
>Stand more than 5 meters away from Reaper
>Shoot him
>Win
He really isn't that hard to kill.
>>341433940
Icicles have a delay from when you start shooting, and when the projectile actually launches. Making it a bit harder to aim with on a moving target.
Freeze is kinda low damage.
The ice heal makes her invulnerable, but unless she drops a wall immediately after, she can be easily headshot when she thaws and killed.
Mei is annoying, but easily handled honestly, especially at range.
>>341433885
That doesn't make Roadhog a counter still. You can kill every non-tank that way.
There's also nothing you can do if your hook's on cooldown.
>>341433749
Roadhogs shot goes off before Reapers shroud.
Tested this in 1v1 with Roadhogs M1 pressed down and Reapers Shroud held down.
>>341432915
>tank has high health
>ult
>pathetic dps only available in melee range
>telegraphed dash leaving him vulnerable
>>341434105
He was not designed to win every 1on1 you casual scrub
>>341434164
Headshot him. Reaper takes a few hits to kill you, he has to run away to heal, and your hook will instagib his ass. Ontop of Roadhog's heal, it makes him a solid counter.
What were you expecting out of a counter? Someone whos completely invulnerable to him?
>>341434159
>Icicles have a delay from when you start shooting, and when the projectile actually launches. Making it a bit harder to aim with on a moving target.
Just chiming in, as a Genji main this is actually not an issue for me. Spend so much time sniping as Mei now its great.
>>341433809
bruh thats what im saying. shes freezes you too quickly. thats all that needs to be fixed
>>341433889
>>341434001
fuck no
>>341434081
no
no
yes
mmmmmmm eh. his chain reaches a bit far but youve got to be a good shot
fuck no they do not
yes
fuck no
nope just the freeze time
i can agree
>>341434159
her icicles just end up being treated like Hanzo's arrows, spam in one spot and wait for the enemy to walk into it
freeze is low damage but takes two fucking seconds to stop you mid-air where you are then sniped or hit with a tank
The only change Reaper needs is to lower the range of his ultimate. I always feel like I'm clearly outside his cloud of death, but I still get killed. It's not so much that it reaches too far, but that it reaches farther than it looks like it should.
>>341434459
The freeze time itself is fine, I'm saying once you break away from Mei, you should regain your speed faster. If shes on your ass and you have no way to break line of sight, then her freezing you that quick is okay.
As for her spamming a spot.. Don't go that way? Thats no different than anyone else spamming a spot.
>>341434312
He can kill you in 1.5 seconds (3 hits) while standing in the sweetspot where m1 and m2 do barely any damage.
>>341434118
Because other characters have in-combat abilities that help them win fights, rather that time-wasting disengagement abilities? Hell, Mei's pretty bad, but at least her ice block is cancellable so your opponent can't just walk away hahahaha how is ghost walk even real just walk away nigga
>>341434164
Eh, Roadhog has the same effective range, similar damage output and more health, he wins the dps race even without his disabling ability which should translate to a guaranteed kill
Reaper is the most balanced hero in the game get out with your shit
>>341434207
Yes he was.
Thats his entire point
Blizz even confirmed this
>>341434613
I really doubt that, if hes close enough to be doing that much damage, M2 is in range at the very least. And even still you can always just walk away and heal up. Not to mention this requires a very specific scenario where you have no hook, you're by yourself, and the Reaper is somehow stuck in a magical spot constantly with zero cover between you and him.
>>341434590
Whats that supposed to tell us?
Mcree supressed the usage of some heroes and made picking them completely unviable in comp.
Thats different now.
The pickrates for those could completely change because of the mccree nerfs.
>>341431402
git fucking gud faggot.
McCree and Widowmaker were fundamentally broken in their character design and were in desperate need of nerfs (not so much Widowmaker t b h)
Reaper and Reinhardt are fine, stop being a retard and getting close to them.
Bastion either needs to be reworked.
Zenyatta needs a touch more health.
Tobjorn's turrets need some sort of change. made.
D. Va needs a buff.
Mei needs to be removed from the fucking game and whoever came up with her should be executed.
>>341434034
too late, blizz are already nerfing whatever people cry about, look at all the widow and mccree players that liked them
>>341434719
>McCree was performing too well against all targets, making him feel like a must-pick in many situations. By reducing the damage of his alternate fire, McCree is now significantly weaker against tanks like Roadhog and Reinhardt, but still maintains his lethality against smaller targets like Tracer and Genji.
>>341431402
remove the fast reload exploit and he's fine
>>341435034
this is all that was needed
>>341434925
>D. Va needs a buff.
git gud. with a buff she'll be a monster and every shitter will play her.
I'm already pissed with all the memes about her when I just like her gameplay.
>>341434925
>>Mei needs to be removed from the fucking game and whoever came up with her should be executed.
>tells others to git gud
If you were actually good you would know how useless mei is vs organized teams.
She is only good in unorganized games were people lack positional awareness.
>>341434834
Yes, but Mcree and Widow were everyone counters, and Reaper wasn't specifically getting destroyed by either.
The heroes most effected by them were:
Genji: as one of the only characters that was decent against Widow and could sort of duel Mcree, this nerf makes him less useful.
Hanzo: Mainly not used because Widow was so OP, might now get more use.
Phara: Widow was her hard counter, this is a buff for her.
Mobile heroes: Mcree fucks them up less.
Tanks: Mcree fucks them up less.
Reaper will see slightly more use, but nothing serious.
>>341434925
Bastion is fine. He'll never be good in a competitive sense because abandoning mobility for a fixed defensive position is suicide at high level play.
Zenyatta is fine now that Widow bodyshots don't OHK him.
Torbjorn's turret is a joke. It takes literally a second to realise there is a turret, pull back and start planning how you're going to deal with it. The turret is a speedbump, nothing more.
If you die to Mei the game should auto-uninstall.
The only change you've mentioned that makes some kind of sense is the D.va buff.
Take your own advice and GIT GUD
>>341435332
No you're getting me wrong, Mei is useless.
She is boring to play as, not fun to fight, and is THE WORST waifu in gaming
>>341434001
God, why are people so retarded? Health rewind is the only reason tracer is viable.
>>341435454
>Torbjorn's turret is a joke.
You're doing it wrong. You set it up to cover the room behind the choke-point, to kill flankers and solo pushes.
Still not great though.
As a McCrutch main I think the nerf failed. I can still rape Reins and Roadhogs just fine, but now I have a harder time to fuck Tracer and Genji, because them having a smaller hitbox combined with less fan damage makes fan useless without a stun. Thanks shitters.
>>341434794
Not who you're responding to, but if a reaper walks up to you as a roadhog he kills you very very fast because of your huge-ass hitbox. Miss once and you're guaranteed dead. Roadhog definitely does not counter reaper
>>341433178
His fan is kind of useless. I find it easier to just stun and then double headshot the immobile target for 280 damage
>>341435793
stun + headshot
git gud shitter
>>341435886
wew lad I don't play McCree if I want to aim what the fuck.
>>341435961
Stun time is too slow for that. Also fan works just fine IF they are stunned. Before I could rape Tracer with my fan without every throwing a stun.
>>341435864
>very very fast
He can, in fact, kill Roadhog in literally a second.
>>341435961
Doesn't work on Genji's.
>>341432772
Problem with widow was other than Genji it was always hard to get to her, an observant widow will know if a Reaper is coming up behind her and then she can just grapple away.
>>341432803
Blizz has always sucked at balance, especially when it comes to healers. A good Lucio can kill a equally good tracer as well
>>341431858
>no hard counter
Pharah shits all over him as long as the fight starts anywhere that doesn't have a roof. McRee outranges him and can flash n' fan, 76 outranges him.
So when will Overwatch be free to play? They are losing thousands of players a day and the game will die a short death if they keep losing players this fast
>>341436426
>The game sold 7m at launch.
>They just hit 10m the other day
>Losing players
m8
>>341436340
>she puts out a poison mine to catch flankers
>the flanker shoots it to destroy it
>she is notified that it's destroyed so she know a flanker is near
nice design
>>341436501
I have a source that works at Activision and they are saying that the game is sort of flopping and they are losing money. It hasn't been a good release at all in terms of profit and playerbase
>>341434169
It actually depends on latency, tested it with a friend on enemy team in random games. It's more noticeable with Genji, in random games hold E and you will hear the twing sound before roadhog kills you, but in his kill cam it never went off.
Everyone's fine
Except
Mcree just needed the damage lowered for fanhammer so he can't take out tanks so easily.
Widow needed a longer charge and megaphone ult announcement like everyone else.
Dva needs a smaller critbox and slightly stronger guns but not too much.
Hanzo arrows need smaller hit box
Rest is fine.
>>341436609
Then post proof.
>>341431402
>next set of nerfs
This is going to end up a very stale game it seems
>>341436650
Are you asking me to fuck his career by pretty much proving that he broke an NDA?
>>341436720
Censor it. Post proof.
>>341436614
Does that mean if A hooks B he gets to shoot first but if B hooks A he doesn't?
>>341436609
>I have a source that works at Activision
And i have a tower in Paris i'd like to sell you.
>>341435864
Hook + Headshot = Dead Reaper.
Headshot = Dead Reaper.
Reaper's only ability to engage/disengage is his wraith form. Even if he headshots you, it won't take you out so fast you can't retaliate. The only situation in which Reaper wins is if he gets the drop on the Roadhog, the roadhog doesn't aim well and the hook is on cooldown.
>>341436556
>Isn't notified at all
>Just turns and shoots her flanker to death because her rifle has no swap time and does 13 damage at 10rps
They missed the entire point, if you get up on a sniper their pants need to be down so to speak. There is no world where she should win a 1v1 at close range
>>341436709
Its already stale with its 9 maps and 3 game-modes. Can't find myself playing more than a few games a night now because I'm tired of the game cycling me through Hanamura a dozen times.
>>341436609
Dude I am living in eastern europe where everyone is pirating everything and literally all of my friends are playing Overwatch , jesus christ the Chads at my uni. are playing the game.
They need to change how Mercy's ult builds. As is, you can get over 50% from healing like 250 damage, which any tank can easily soak up. You can throw out revives every 20 seconds.
>>341431402
>get more than five feet away from Reaper
>he can no longer damage you
wow
>>341436948
They already nerfed it. She's actually at a decent spot right now.
>>341436948
But anon, how would Mercy players feel good about themselves if they had to actually work for a good ult?
>>341436609
http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=ATVI+Interactive#{"range":"max","allowChartStacking":true}
Does this looks like a flop?
>>341436821
>Headshot = Dead Reaper.
Only if he stands right in front of you, even closer than melee range. No good Reaper player would ever do that.
>>341436821
It is a skill based match up. Neither character has a major advantage on the other but I would favour reapers chances a bit more since he has the option of escaping and not relying on landing a hook to get the kill.
With roadhog it is kind of a kill or be killed fight.
>>341437080
M2 is a ranged attack that can headshot.
>>341437142
It all comes down to the hook, an equal skill player vs player situation leads reaper winning every time with how rapidly he can shoot compared to hog.
>>341437142
Except Roadhog needs to aim well, while Reaper can do whatever and win.
>>341432152
>a pretty reliable escape mechanism
which move is that? the teleport that leaves you open for four seconds or the move that makes you 2% faster and prevents you from attacking?
I think Blizzard kind of missed a trick with D.va's guns. I think it would have been better to make them spew projectiles (such as those that she fires from her lightgun) at a high rate of fire with high spread, think like a bullet hell shooter. It fits her theme, would look awesome and would keep the high close range damage with rapidly dropping effectiveness over range.
>>341437142
Roadhog has a few advantages. Chief is that he can heal wherever he is, has more health, and a ranged stun. At a distance, Reaper's damage falls off pretty sharply, but Roadhog has a ranged option in his M2.
Really, the only advantage Reaper has is that his wraith form means he can run away to get health, but in that same time the Roadhog can heal up.
What's the point of Roadhog's alt fire?
>>341437313
>Turn invincible, float over to a health pack, turn around and finish off enemy.
>Turn invincible, float back into your team.
>>341437237
M2 only does good damage after it explodes. The ball itself has only 50 base damage. If you have sick aim, and the reaper is in the exact distance where the ball explodes, you can kill him. That's pretty hard to do though.
>>341437507
It works really well against enemies between 7m and 7.5m away. If you can get the ball of trash to explode an inch away from the enemy's head, you can deal the equivalent of a point-blank shotgun headshot.
Any closer or further away and it's garbage. It's just something to throw at enemies that are too far away for M1 when your hook is on cooldown.
Remove dva's slowdown when firing and she's perfect.
Right now all she does is feed the enemy team ult charge and make you lose faster, in addition to doing hardly any damage or getting kills. I'd rather have a level 1 widowshitter than dvas on my team because at least the widows ult is useful.
>Take mcree down from being a high tier flanker instead of bring broken
>People are unhappy with this
>>341437691
It's also useful for breaking Reinhardt's shield.
>>341432152
reaper's lshift isn't a guaranteed escape and you can't end it early so everyone knows when you'll be able to take damage again unlike mei
also in experience I have to almost hit it immediately or pre-emptively against things like pharah's ult or I get "stunned" and it doesn't work
so IMO he's fine
if people think reaper is OP try not kissing him in combat
If anyone needs to be nerfed, it's Roadhog.
>Be Roadhog
>Pull someone up to you and shoot them
>99% chance of killing them if they aren't a tank.
>If they are a tank or miraculously don't die and start hitting you, gobble up your health and make yourself invincible while doing so.
>Once at full health, shoot away and kill your hurt enemy.
Either make his heal take longer and make the cooldown longer, or reduce his health. Reinhardt should be able to go toe-to-toe with Roadhog but currently can't with his fucking broken self-heal.
>>341437652
>>Turn invincible, float over to a health pack, turn around and finish off enemy.
>enemy obviously knows what you're doing
>uses their much better mobility move to get the health first and kill you
>or their abilities are now back up and you're out of your optimal range
>>Turn invincible, float back into your team.
>easily get chased and executed before you can fully make it to safety
>>341437670
Yeah but thats my point. People are talkin about how Reaper can out range Roadhog. And the honest truth is.. If hes so far away that you can't hit him with either attack, then hes doing minuscule damage you can shrug off. Any closer and one of the two will do good damage against him.
>>341437790
I still melt tanks with mccree, it's called "shoot at the tank's head as you're coming in from a distance with m1"
The only problem I have with reaper is his get out of jail free card where this fucker just wraith forms away to a health pack and guns me down
>>341437727
Don't play her as a frontliner. Fly up to their widow with your shield on and unload. Your boost has a shorter cooldown than her hook, she can't run.
Same can be done to other squishy targets.
Also disengage every time you get low and hog local health packs.
Not saying she's okay, but the right strategy can squeeze a lot more use out of her.
>>341437940
roadhog is balanced by the fact that he basically feeds the enemy team free ult
when I'm tracer I can ult almost every other life, or more, if the enemy has a roadhog
>>341437940
>If anyone needs to be nerfed, it's Roadhog.
>Reinhardt should be able to go toe-to-toe with Roadhog
Holy shit, you're retarded.
>mcree and widowmaker are OP!
>nerf mcree and widowmaker
>now the other characters are OP!
>nerf the other characters
>mcree and widowmaker are OP!
>>341438072
Winston does that job better tho
and has an ult that actually does something against good players (though it's still a bit weak tbH)
>>341437940
Reinhardt is already three tiers above the other tanks in terms of actually tanking
>>341431579
They have already said that they are working on buffing D.va. They just are not sure exactly how to do it yet.
>>341438030
Between like 6m and 3m Reaper still does a ton of damage, while you will do almost none.
>>341438171
nobody wants others to be nerfed, that's just false-flagging. the occasional shitter exists though
>>341438063
maybe don't chase him and get right up in his face then
>>341438271
All the other tanks are mislabled, just like Symmetra in support.
Zarya is a complementary tank
Roadhog is only a tank in that he has high hp, he's practically an offensive character
D'va and Winston are both backline skirmishers.
Blizzard is incredibly stupid.
>>341437940
roadhog vs 2 heroes gets rolled every time because he can't escape and if he hits E to heal it won't overheal the damage being done to him (and also makes him the world's easiest target for hanzo/widow)
stop trying to 1v1 roadhog and always bait his hook by constantly breaking LoS until he wastes it. if you see someone else get hooked and you're playing junkrat/lucio/pharah then use a concussion attack to knock roadhog away in that split second where the distance is closed and he won't kill shit
basically beating roadhog just requires a modicum of teamwork, be a team and he dies fast as fuck
>>341431579
>Mei could use some love, in what way I couldn't say.
She needs to beTHICCCCCEERRRRR
>>341438171
exactly this, McCree wasn't even OP just reddit fags complaining a lot because they all suck at video games.
daily reminder that zarya is secretly the best character in the game and should always be on your team (other than healers)
she has almost no real weaknesses and can do insane damage when charged, and an ult that can easily win games even when youre at a disadvantage
>>341438134
Fuck you buddy, as a Reinhardt do you know how disheartening it is to charge and smash a Roadhog into a wall, only for that fat fuck to instantly heal to full health and absolutely destroy you?
Reinhardt's charge kills pretty much everyone on wall impact, and seriously hurts everyone else to the point where they may as well be dead. The only character which can get hit by a charge is Roadhog, and he just shrugs it off because LOLBROKENHEAL ;).
I don't care how Blizzard fixes it, but fucking fix it god damn.
>>341437987
>uses their much better mobility move to get the health first and kill you
Position is key, if you're simply closer to the health, they won't.
>or their abilities are now back up and you're out of your optimal range
And inside, as most health packs are located inside. The only way for them to get you is come into a confined space with you.
>easily get chased and executed before you can fully make it to safety
Depends entirely on distance to team, which is again up to the player.
Positioning is the most important part of playing Reaper. Both his skills aid him in positioning, and his ult relies on being in the right place at the right time.
>>341437507
I got hit with a well aimed shrapnel ball and it did like 170+ health worth of damage in the middle of a big battle. The range for the ball is super specific but once you learn that sweet spot its like you doubled roadhogs effective range.
>>341438512
can get hit by a charge and easily survive it*
>>341438396
They were the only two I wanted nerfed, but Blizzard doesn't know what they are doing so I imagine they'll fuck it all up in any future balance patches.
It was nice to play a game as Zenyatta for once.
>>341438512
So out of the entire cast one character can deal with your charge and you're going to cry about it? Jesus christ you baby.
>>341438512
have you ever considered that there are fucking counters in this game and reinhardt is not one of them?
if you hold your shield up and have almost anyone stand behind you and shoot the roadhog, there is NOTHING, literally NOTHING the roadhog can do to you
if anything, rein counters him
in other words, git gud shitter
>>341431579
mei should have gotten a penguin slide instead of cryostasis
all CS does is make everyone go "oh, I guess combat is going to take 10 more seconds now okay, watch out for that wall she's going to drop and there it is ok she's dead"
>>341432316
Confirmed retard, Winston isn't a tank in the same way as reinhardt. Winston is supposed to jump on the back line and kill squishiest not tank.The reason he is used so much in higher brackets isn't to tank it's to counter the widows and Mercy's.
>>341438512
>Picking Roadhog as your charge target
I found where you fucked up.
>>341437940
Roadhog main here
The only hard counter for Roadhog is Reaper and 90% of characters get countered by a hook
>Widow being annoying on a ledge?
>Hook
>Bastion set up in turret mode?
>Hook
>Reaper or Mcree just popped an ult?
>Hook
>D.va dropped her mech and is about to wipe your team
>Hook the mech to you
>Junkrat just launched a tire?
>Hooking it instantly destroys it
>Some is playing Zenyatta?
>No problem you have a self heal
>Mercy at the back of the group?
>Hook
He really should have more weakness for a guy who is essentially an all rounder and pub stomper
>>341431858
>reaper
>no counter
Pharah, Widowmaker, Mei, and poo in the symmetrical loo.
Also not really a hard counter but Lucio can easily outrun him and heal up to never die
buff Riptire hp by 50
buff Lucios ult duration by 1 sec
nerf Hanzos projectile hitbox by 25%
nerf Mercys ult generation by 25%
buff Mercys peashooter damage by 15
buff Zenyattas hp by 25
>>341438647
Fuck off you Roadhog shitter, it's broken and you know it, you don't want it to be nerfed because then he'll be as balanced as the rest of the characters who have to dodge Reinhardts charge or die.
>>341438049
If their team lets you run and gun up to their tank as a hero with no mobility options, they have bigger problems.
>>341438342
In order for this scenario to even work, Reaper would have to stay in this magical distance without ever going out and the roadhog would have to just sit on his ass doing nothing, especially not hooking him.
>>341438761
>its broken
It isn't and it'll never be changed because it isn't. Your crying isn't going to do anything.
I'm fine with fan the hammer being nerfed, McCree is still powerful as fuck.
I wish D.Va was stronger though, she's not bad but not ideal as a main tank. Even Winston is better than her.
>>341438731
I shred Roadhogs to pieces as Zenyatta
One change that, for real, needs to be done and just about everyone agrees on: Mercy shouldnt be able to rez from the spawn zone
just played a game where a mercy on hanamura camped in the spawn zone with ult, waited for all 6 people to die, then used it and revived all 6 of them for free
unlike other times where people say "just le kill the mercy xDDD" there was nothing you could do in this instance
>>341438512
you must be the retarded reinhardt player who charges solo into the enemy group just to get a lucky pin
everyone hates you btw
>>341438731
>hooking junkrat's tire instantly destroys it
No it doesn't.
>>341438335
I'd give her slightly better range or movement speed while shooting
>>341438742
>buff riptire hp by 50
>buff zen's hp by 25
So you're saying revert needed nerfs that happened in closed beta? Bad players, will they ever learn?
>>341435864
One thing Roadhog can do is try to fight at himmedium range with alt fire. I shit you not, I have one-shoted a Reaper with it just when he was jumping down (not in wraith form) to ult the team. Am *almost* sure he was 100% hp (could be missing just a few).
Still though, if you can avoid fighting this guy as Roadhog, you should.
>>341438198
True, but him being better doesn't make D.Va any worse. She also does more damage to large targets.
Her ult is kinda icky, but it works pretty well on turrets and forces people to abandon an objective. Very useful on capture points.
>>341438883
i should clarify that she rezzed them through the wall, not by flying out
maybe remove her ability to revive through the wall, idk
people always want to nerf
how about we just buff everyone
i remember when games came out with reasonable balance (which OW definitely belongs to) and didnt get patched for months and the player ACTUALLY had to git gud and figure shit out themselves
its almost like people spend more time on public balance discussions than playing the game
>>341438883
Used to require LoS but people hated that because it meant that you had to actually work for a good rez.
If anything makes this game worse its Blizzards need to make the normies feel good about themselves.
>>341438742
lucio is already the best character in the game, and iirc has the highest pickrate in comp
last thing he needs is a buff
I wouldnt be surprised if his amp gets nerfed though, it's basically a mini-zenyatta ULTIMATE (40hp/s compared to zen's 100hp/s)
>>341439101
then the TTK will be ridiculously high and you'll have hour long matches in overtime with people getting resurrected over and over by mercy
>>341434081
>Mercy's pistol and Lucio gun need an accuracy nerfs
I'd like to hear the reasoning behind this one
>>341438421
Indeed, and Zenyatta is a complimentary healer, and Hanzo is a mid range sniper, closer in function to Soldier: 76 and Mcree than Widowmaker.
>>341439160
but hey I die to one thing because im playing like an idiot, it must be broken and needs to be nerfd right now
>>341439184
Amp needs a nerf both ways. 40hps is enough to completely negate some ults, and his speed boost is incredible. He and his team can outrun projectiles when its going, that's pretty fucking strong.
>>341439168
instead of requiring LoS it should just require that you're on an equal or higher z level and outside of the spawn area
problem solved blizzard pls hire me
>>341438974
This along with her crit area not being half her front size would be a pretty good thing.
>>341438730
I never target Roadhog with my charge, but sometimes he gets in the way and when he does it pretty much spells death for me, which it shouldn't do.
>>341438678
You're assuming that my team-mates are good and are behind me using my shield. I'm complaining that if I want to go 1v1 with Roadhog and hit him with my charge, it won't matter because he'll instaheal and wreck my shit up. The only thing I can do is run away when I see a roadhog, which isn't balanced.
>>341438848
That's what people said about McCree and Widowmaker ;)
>>341438928
You must be the retarded Reinhardt who stands around with his shield permanently up, thinking he's a credit to the team when he's not actually doing anything and the enemy is just walking past you because you're too scared to engage in combat.
Everyone hates you btw.
McRee needed a small adjustment. It doesn't make sense for him to senselessly destroy absolutely everyone 1v1.
Widowmaker was fine, her job is to snipe and she shouldn't be punished if you are a good player.
>>341439184
lucio will never get nerfed
he is literally the most balanced character on the roster
>>341439184
>lucio is already the best character in the game, and iirc has the highest pickrate in comp
Mercy has in recent statistics I believe.
>>341439160
McCree's flash and fan the hammer combo was melting tanks though. He was pretty much a must pick in any game.
>eliminations gold
>objective kills gold
>objective time gold
>healing done gold
>deaths 0
>mfw
>>341438417
He has ult and I need him to die right now or else he will *teleport behind u* die die die my whole team
>>341431671
Are you retarded? That's how you get powercreep you fucking ignoramus.
>>341439227
he's a baddie
I saw one yesterday, a reaper who popped death blossom far enough away from me and I was mercy and just aimed at head level with m1 until he was dead
I kill winstons all the time as mercy too because they're stupid enough to leave their gorilla dome and walk after me instead of leaping
>>341439498
The thing is that after he melted that tank he just stands around like a jack ass for a full second and a half doing nothing
Also why wasn't the tank near his team? His team could kill the McCree before he did anything substantial to the tanks.
I'm mostly mad because i had the two best McCree legendary skins and now he is pretty shit
>>341439435
>The only thing I can do is run away when I see a roadhog, which isn't balanced.
or just stand there and wait for someone to kill him from behind your shield, a rein with shield up is untouchable by roadhog
if you complain nobody shoots behind your shield, its not my fault you have a low MMR rating, git gud and youll be paired with people who actually play the game properly
>>341439435
A TANK GOT IN YOUR WAY? ITS ALMOST LIKE HE WAS DESIGNED TO DO JUST THAT!
>>341439435
You're right, Reinhardt should totally kill everyone in his LoS, also his ult should destroy the objective, give me a girlfriend who likes videogames and bring my real dad back!
>>341439435
if you stuck with your team more then roadhog pins wouldn't be a problem because they would be providing the supplemental damage to overcome his healing
git gud scrubbarino
>wanting to nerf Rein
he's probably the most balanced hero in the game, you need to stop associating visuals like "big scary knight" and "spooky masked man" with actual ingame efficiency
>>341436050
>Stun time is too slow for that.
>this shitter can't line up a headshot in .7 seconds
>>341439694
McCree is still very powerful for players who can aim with him.
The only thing the recent nerf did was make it impossible for shitters to pick him and destroy everything, because now all your bullets have to hit the enemy instead of 2 of them.
>>341439435
You're hilarious dude, please continue.
>>341438742
>nerf Hanzos
He's in a pretty bad place, why would you want to do that?
>>341439769
People cry out for a nerf because he's the only tank worth taking 100% of the time for nearly every maptype except KOTH. Blizzard created the best tank archtype they could have for this so he's always going to be repped. If anything is going to kill this game its going to be the powercreep and invalidation of existing heroes when new ones are released that either stomp all over their niche, or flat out do their job better.
>>341438512
theres no better feel than shitting on bad rheinharts that think they can charge everything they want like retards
>>341431402
Junkrat is the new OP.
>>341438574
>Position is key, if you're simply closer to the health, they won't.
wraith form is barely faster than walking, any of the other attack characters will get there before you, even Phara who can knock you back pretty far, and so can Junkrat and Lucio. Winston can leap there before you, Mei can block you off, there are a number of ways to stop Reaper from slowly floating to the health
>And inside, as most health packs are located inside. The only way for them to get you is come into a confined space with you.
He isn't the only one that works well in confined spaces. Just be smart and not get right up on him when wraith form wears off.
>Depends entirely on distance to team, which is again up to the player.
even if you get back with your team there are plenty of people that can pick you off
>Positioning is the most important part of playing Reaper. Both his skills aid him in positioning, and his ult relies on being in the right place at the right time.
I agree, you have to play smart when you're Reaper or else you can easily get beat. Wraith form can fuck you over if you aren't careful, which is why I don't see it as being too reliable
Despite what shitters say, Bastion actually needs a buff not a nerf.
He's terrible against a decently skilled team. IMO I would make it so he transforms into turret mode faster so he can be more mobile.
>>341431402
>McCree nerfed
>can still handle trash like this
I see no problem, try obtaining better antiquities
>>341439694
>>341439498
i agree he was too good vs tanks, but now its way too unrealible to burst down 200 hp targets, which should still be possible in my opinion
>>341439879
He is meh now.
I used to be able to out dmg him as genji pretty consistently so now I can do way more in a game as genji or pharah.
And yeah if you have super god aim instant headshots of course any character would be good, but at that point just fuckin play widow or hanzo
>>341439451
See:
>>341434590
Do you just want him to be in every match?
>>341440090
Bastion was a mistake, he's not fun to play with, he's not fun to play against.
>>341431579
D.Va is so useless. It's sad, I don't know why people actually use her.
>>341439635
tell your team so they dont all stand in a clump
>>341439974
I think weapons that pierce shields should provide extra damage or extra ultimate charge to targets behind them so that chokepoint maps aren't just pick Rein and stall out the clock.
Other than that, Rein is fine. If he doesn't have a chokepoint to protect his flank he is super easy to counter.
>>341436631
Widow needs her fucking global removed.
>>341440248
>healer
>top of the usage charts
WOW NEVER SAW THAT COMING IT'S ALMOST LIKE YOU NEED A HEALER TO WIN A ROUND
fucking retard
I don't think that a nerf is needed but they need to rework fatass's hook. Hitscan long range stun with a pull. Make it a projectile so you can atleast dodge it
Is there a single fps game that wouldnt be immediately improved by removing snipers?
Either sniper players are useless shitters (see: tf2) or theyre godlike and anti-fun, with hardly any inbetween. in most games you need a sniper just to beat the other sniper further ruining the game.
I dont see what they really add other than to give COD kiddies a way to make le epik quickscoping frag vids with shitty dubstep playing
>>341440362
Widowmakers ult is fine, it just needs to be announced that she's actually using it so the enemy is aware.
It will match up with the other ults then.
>>341440687
>waaaah I got killed by a sniper remove it!!
Grow up
>>341440687
snipers in OW remove turrets and tracers from the premises so I can see them being at least semi-useful but in most matches if they aren't getting loadsa kills and the enemy team is shielding and healing everywhere they're dead weight
IMO they just exist in modern gaming to keep people from doing stupid shit like camping on top of a tower and shooting grenades/rockets all day
>>341440810
She is still a fucking must-pick character, because "muh wallhack".
>>341440687
Snipers were pretty fun in tf2, maybe i only say this because i was alright and constantly played with my friend who was a super god sniper though
>>341431402
>Nerf Nerf Nerf Nerf
McCree needed a nerf because he could kill literally any character in the game in 3 seconds with his fan combo.
Widow got nerfed because good players could lock down a team.
No one else needs nerfs except maybe Lucio because he's so good that there is no reason not to have him on a team. I'd rather they buff the other healers though.
You idiots need to learn how to counter people. Reaper gets destroyed if you're by your team at all. Learn to play.
>>341436948
Mercy's Ult is the only reason to choose her over Lucio's broken ass.
>>341440853
found the COD kiddie!
I think you're on the wrong website, reddit is that way --->
>>341431579
no, you don't give mei ANYTHING, she might not be a good hero but she sure is fucking annoying as hell.
I played this during their open beta back in October or so and I remember McCree chunking people with his M1 at extremely long ranges, did they nerf that? Also why the hell is there a cosmetic system in the game now? The game looks tempting but micro transactions are not needed in a $40 game.
>>341436609
>>341436426
You're fucking retarded and probably pulling shit out of your ass. This game has been insanely popular and has players so numerous to the point that it kind of pisses me off because a lot of my friends who I used to premade with in TF2 fucking jumped ship to this and they spout the fucking retarded ultimate phrases constantly.
>le its high noon xD
>>341440072
>even Phara who can knock you back pretty far, and so can Junkrat and Lucio.
No, because you'll be in wraith form. Only a couple of characters with higher mobility can, and only if they have those moves up at the time and are aware of what you're up to.
>He isn't the only one that works well in confined spaces.
No, but he has the highest close range DPS out of anyone.
>Just be smart and not get right up on him when wraith form wears off.
How you gonna do that if you were racing him for a health pack? You already used your mobility move to get there.
>even if you get back with your team there are plenty of people that can pick you off
That can be said for anyone.
>Wraith form can fuck you over if you aren't careful, which is why I don't see it as being too reliable
Define reliable. It's easy to use and it always does what you want it to do, just gotta be careful.
>>341440853
>waaaah i can't git gud and only win with a cheese character don't remove pls
Grow up
>>341440189
Fan the hammer is better against hard to hit targets like Junkrats tire anyhow. McCree can murder anybody from a distance with just the primary fire.
>>341431402
Remove one-shots from the game. In no universe ever should be one-shots acceptable.
Also Reinhardt and Reaper are fine how they are.
>>341440680
it is a projectile and the range is really short
>>341440996
widow got nerfed because even bad players could lock down a team and for making zenyatta basically unplayable.
a good widow is unaffected because headshot damage is still 300
>>341440687
Snipers are pretty useless if you are playing with a decent team which doesn't stand in the open screaming 'PLEASE SHOOT ME'.
Hanzo and Widowmaker are only useful for picking off shitters and using their ultimates to help their team mates, if you have a problem with getting sniped then you need to stop smiling at Widowmakers scope.
>>341440943
Snipers in TF2 were actually well thought out though, 3 sec scope time, and bolt action. You HAD to be good to pull off great shit, but you still absolutely could, but there were actual disadvantages, if you were at range you were a god, up close you were food.
Widowmaker is the opposite of this design, high damage, rate of fire, escape options, close range options, anti-flank countermeasures built in.
They fucked up so hard with her its not even funny and it'll take a complete rework of her to ever get her in a good place.
>>341441042
>>341441108
I don't even play snipers. But you're literally complaining because there is a character that creates a zone of control instead of letting you do whatever the fuck you want no worries. Literally git gud.
No waits, lets remove Junkrat too he was lobbing grenades in the main path and I didn't want to take a side path. There is no reason for that to be allowed ever in a game I paied money for
>>341441203
>Headshots with a sniper rifle shouldn't one shot low health heroes
>>341440090
Yeah, he does need some help. Maybe a slow jetpack on his jump, so he can get to a more diverse number of locations.
>>341441350
Headshots with a sniper rifle shouldn't one-shot full health heroes.
But good job jumping into conclusions.
>>341441274
Also her STUPID FUCKING JUMP ANIMATION
god her jumping makes me so irrational mad, her fucking dumb legs shoot up into her body and she flies 4000 feet into the air, if you aim at her waist and she jumps you wont hit her because she goes so fucking high and her stupid retractable legs fire into her pelvis
>It's a 'Team needs a healer and someone chooses Zenyatta instead of a decent support' episode.
You are a shitter if you do this. Pick a decent support and help your team and don't be 'that guy'.
>>341441203
reaper can 1 hit kill people with 200hp if he's close and a lot of pellets hit their head.
>>341441509
Roadhog can one shot everyone up to zarya with RMB
funfacts
>>341440996
why is lucio such a problem for you?
>>341432229
>Mei
>Nerfed
Get out of newfag MMR and then talk again. You will curse the day when you have a Mei in your group and you figure out she's a useless piece of shit against any group that played more than 10h.
>>341438739
>Also not really a hard counter but Lucio can easily outrun him and heal up to never die
>"oh btw this character can evade him pretty well"
>>341441503
Zenyatta is like Genji, he takes a lot of skill to make him work
>>341441416
+ this for toblerone as well please.
>>341441615
you were complaining about 1 hit kills while saying a character who can 1 hit is fine.
>>341438512
And wtf are you doing while roadhog heals? Just sitting there looking at him? Use you fucking hammer his heals doesn't even heal for all the damage your charge did.
>>341441054
Learn to deal. Pick Phara and laugh at her.
>>341441281
Youre missing the point entirely.
It's not about the character's "role", hanzo is a semi-long range character like Widow but I dont give a shit about him because his design works. it's just that leads to lame situations, especially in pub games, where you either essentially down a player or you have someone godlike on your team who just instakills them all. obviously skill should be rewarded, but it's just boring design and I think the game would benefit if people were forced to use another class.
>>341441705
im actually a different person who's just adding it
>>341441757
i'm referring to her annoying gookspeak etc
>>341441623
Not the guy you're replying to, but I think you're the one with the shit MMR buddy. I've played plenty of high level games where Mei is used and is played well and is a credit to the team.
Mei is bad when played badly, but that goes for every single character. I'd love to see you against a Mei player who doesn't miss her M2's.
>>341441083
>The game looks tempting but micro transactions are not needed in a $40 game.
You get them for free from playing anyway. They just have the option to buy more for whales and unboxing channels.
I have all the skins I want and more than enough to buy more, and I didn't spend any money apart from buying the game.
I personally think the best way to buff Zenyatta would just be a speed increase. With the new Widow nerf, his health is fine the way it is.
I fucking knew that the second you fags were done bitching about Widowmaker and McCree, you'd come for my boy Reaper.
Go ahead, go after Tracer and Zarya too while you're at it. Faggots.
>>341441429
>Headshots with a sniper rifle shouldn't one-shot full health heroes.
Snipers are literally useless in that scenario.
>Junkrat who only lobs grenades through the window of Lijiang Tower objective
People, there really are times when a quick nerf is needed especially with a hero pool as small as this for now.
McCree:
He deserves the nerf. Even just one McCree can kill tanks without problem. What more if a team runs double?
Actually his nerf wasn't even that big. I've seen people still running around as him and killing opponents no problem.
Widowmaker
Like it or hate it, she is actually much more OP than McCree.
Also, her real only hard nerf here is the none INABILITY TO QUICK SCOPE. The other nerfs were her just being put in proper line.
Now that quick scoping is gone, people are gonna have to hard scope and I've already heard Widow players crying a lot. Why? Because "she felt slow".
Bitch you got a fucking grappling hook go and use that you shit.
>>341441937
>Missing M
Who even misses those. They are the size of Pharas Rockets and almost always lock on to the head because of retarded projectile behaviour the game has.
>>341441723
Roadhog heals faster than reinhardts hammer's DPS, friend, you need to play more Overwatch.
>>341441483
She's a spider shitlord, and she doesn't jump any higher than the other characters.
>>341442140
*the NOW inability to quickscope.
Fixing it.
>>341440090
bastion requires creativity to be good and doesn't need a buff or nerf
bastion/reinhardt on offense against a team that has a really good defensive setup can peel away all enemy turrets/tanks/etc or at least get them away from the cart so you can push. I won a match on numbani doing exactly this and they had a torbjorn, bastion, and two tanks running around
also his tank mode is fantastic for pushing points on attack because nobody will be able to counter-contest if they're getting massive damage dropped on them
the only downside is everyone will think you're a shitter for picking him on attack and if you don't have someone to combo with like reinhardt or zarya then you will be a shitter
>>341442069
they are gunna nerf all our chatacters till the only viable player is s76, then the reddit fags will reign supreme
not even then because they spend all their time drawing fan art and saying McCree is OP instead of getting good
>>341441042
Jesus, you call him a redditor for pointing out you died to a sniper? How old are you? Complaining because 1. You died to a sniper 2. Not getting what you want to do in a game due to such sniper?
>>341441429
You took low health the wrong way, so good job jumping to conclusions. I meant like 150-300 health heroes should be one shot to the head with a sniper rifle. Maybe 250 if you wanna argue that, I'd hear those arguments for sure.
>>341442119
Yeah guess what, fix your hitboxes and reward skill instead of giving characters hitboxes the size of the Statue of Liberty.
Headshots in this game are so silly and easy it would shame any other game. Imagine how fast shitters would drop Widowmaker because they can't aim properly if characters got proper hitboxes and non-hitscan.
>>341441757
>Phara
>"RAIN FROM ABO- AUGH!"
Toppest of keks.
>>341431579
>if they change anything it's D.Va, she's in a shitty position. Mei could use some love, in what way I couldn't say.
>Torbjorns turrets track between targets way too quickly. Just throwing that out there. Other than McREEEEE ganking tanks there wasn't really much wrong with the game in terms of character balance.
I wouldn't say D. Va is in a bad way. A good D. Va is a crazy headache honestly. The only thing I would really say they need to do with her would either be a higher rate of fire or she has normal move speed when firing. Other then that she is in a pretty good place. Her ult is just a retard check and will always be that haha.
Torbjorns turrets are in a good place imo. A good Phara, Junkrat, or sniper can make quick work of those things so I don't really feel like they need a nerf in any shape.
>>341441615
What distance is rmb better at than lmb? I can't really figure him out.
>>341441509
>>341441615
If people are interested:
Reaper: 2rps and 2 - 7 per pellet (20 pellets per shot)
Roadhog: 1rps and 4 - 9 per pellet (25 pellets per shot)
Roadhogs alt fire has only 0.7rps. The ball does 50 base damage. After it explodes it has the same values as m1.
>>341435793
>makes fan useless without a stun
As it should be
>>341441981
someone on rebbit calculated that you would need an average of 888 loot boxes to unlock everything so if you want to spend $680 dollars on 50 lootbox packs to get all the items go ahead, everyone will just think you're a retard with way too much money
>>341441648
Skill will never make up for him being flat out weaker at healing than both the other healers.
>>341442382
>Phara is just her ult.
>>341442137
I used to do this until I realised I was being a shitter and those grenades weren't actually hitting anyone.
I found out because an enemy Junkrat did it to my team.
>>341432165
Sm4sh players*
>>341431937
this desu. this was just a small hot fix. bigger aptch is coming in 2 weeks. just stfu and deal with it retards. game has a long way to go, double the maps and heroes is coming.
>>341441107
>No, because you'll be in wraith form. Only a couple of characters with higher mobility can, and only if they have those moves up at the time and are aware of what you're up to.
Wraith form only protects from damage, so yeah. Anyone with a mobility ability is faster than Reaper, and its not hard to guess what you're up to when you start running away after taking damage
>No, but he has the highest close range DPS out of anyone.
Yeah, when he's right on top of you. You have no reason to get within five feet of him, no space in the game is that enclosed
>How you gonna do that if you were racing him for a health pack? You already used your mobility move to get there.
Either you got the health and Reaper is still almost dead, in which case you should be able to kill him before he kills you, or you backed off and you're out of his very mediocre effective range, so now you can shoot him some more with no worries
>That can be said for anyone.
Exactly, so getting back to your team is no promise that you'll survive
>Define reliable. It's easy to use and it always does what you want it to do, just gotta be careful.
Reliable means you can count on it more often than not. Wraith form is not reliable because even if you use it well, you can still be killed if the enemy is smart, or just more mobile
>>341442213
Her dumb fucking spider legs contort to impossible angles and SMASH into her huge fucking ass hole and the force of this light speed maneuver sends her SKY ROCKETING into fucking oblivion making her basically impossible to hit.
>>341442427
So I'm supposed to be using RMB when I hook people in?
>>341431402
That's not Genji/Tracer
>>341438335
give her a short range flamethrower for a right click
>I don't win 9/10 encounters therefore character x needs a buff/nerf
>>341442307
Christ, summerfags make this board fucking unusable this time of year
I'm wasting my team even replying to your autism, but no, I'm not complaining because I "died to a sniper" though I know you won't believe that as an answer because you refuse to use reading comprehension.
Now here's the part where you repeat "git gud", or some variant of that over and over in place of an actual argument.
>>341442395
Theres a sweet spot with RMB where both the explosion hits their head and all the pellets do aswell
generally anything past the point where RMB explodes is where you want to use it because it makes the pellet spread closer for longer range
>>341440261
Exactly why she needs a buff, she's the worst tank and arguably the worst hero in the game
>>341442504
Negative, I get as much heals on my Zen as do on my Mercy
>>341442375
The hitboxes are large because the characters are a lot more mobile in this game than most others. If they had CS hitboxes, nobody would ever snipe a tracer.
>>341432642
It's incredibly easy to 6 hammer reaper. His model is huge and he's always on op of you. Just stun, fan at point blank, drop a ez in chat.
>>341442585
No, because it only does any real damage after it explodes (around 7m I think?). What you can do though is m2->hook->m1->melee. You can even kill a Roadhog from full health that way.
>>341442646
I like this idea.
>>341442646
her primary is already for short range.
if anything her alt fire should give her a long range ability.
>>341434957
>what people cry about
i'm pretty sure it's more than that dumbass.
>>341442878
it'd give counterplay to mei walls and also provide something for short range burst
>>341442382
>bombard enemy mei until she does her stupid cryostasis
>team surrounds mei for the kill while I dump rockets on her soon to be dead body
wew so difficult, if I get hit by even one m2 from mei i'll just conc blast her forward into my team or off a cliff I ain't havin any of that shit
>>341439876
Let's not act like McCrez wasn't made to be for bads in the first place. His whole kit says, "Well I can't aim so I'm just going to press M2 and shift into M2 and if that doesn't work I've got q. If nether of those are up Ill just sit in the back firing randomly and hoping for the best."
>>341442985
maybe some sort of railgun shot, i feel that would be pretty OP though if she had a sniper shot
>>341442985
yeah that's true
maybe flatten out her gun damage across all ranges but then have the right click provide burst up close
>>341439445
That's the thing, they made it so if you're a good player nothing changes. Its the shitters who go for body shots that have a problem with this
>Enemy Tracer is being an annoying little shit
>Decide to wreck her shit and humilate her.
>She gets angry and comes after me for the rest of the match, ignoring the objective while doing so.
>Enemy team loses and Tracer ragequits
Why are Tracer players such small, childish people?
>>341442792
I'm actually having great success when caught by a Flash to instantly go into Spooky Ghost mode and fuck off faster than the McCree can slowly stomp after me to attempt another Right Click.
Beforehand I would melt instantly but now its actually possible to use escape cooldowns and actually escape.
I just wish there was some sort of consistency between them all, like you can't blink or rewind out of a Junk trap as Tracer but you can spooky ghost and ice block. In fact Junk traps can pull you out of a mid-blink.
>>341439445
>pro-play has two Winstons just to take out a single Widowmaker
>your retarded ass thinks she's perfectly fine.
What is wrong with this picture?
>>341442387
dva's problem is she's designed to be a gimmick with her ejection seat which turns her into a mercy that can't heal or fly
her ult is borderline useless unless you combo it with someone else's ult or use it at the very very end of a round since everyone in the world knows how to avoid it now. but again, tanks shouldn't have a "kill everyone on map" button so that will probably never get changed
she's trapped in the "badly designed character" paradigm
>>341442858
I need tips on that sweet spot.
Sometimes when I use Roadhog and press M2, I'm so suprised someone dies immediately to it at long-range. I one-shotted a Tracer one time with it.
>>341443343
Objective Time and Healing
>>341443343
There was no healer on your team?
>>341442494
Sure, but I really don't care about unlocking everything. I can only use one skin, emote, highlight, voice line, and spray per hero anyway, and I don't play/care about all of them to begin with.
Why would I want to unlock a billion shitty sprays and recolours? What faggot uses emotes?
I've been saying this since fucking launch
His rate of fire is way too fucking high for how much damage he does
And his get out of death free skill is too easily abusable
He can kill any hero without any issues at all 1v1 and burns tanks down without even having to reload
They just need to slow his fire rate down or make his reload take a lot longer so he actually has to think about aiming
>>341443254
I don't know about this. But when there's a Mercy in the Attacking team at Payload, I automatically switch to Tracer and just camp kill her. It works wonders.
LET'S JUST NERF EVERYONE THAT WAY NOBODY IS OVERPOWERED HAHAHAHA STOP KILLING ME WITH THAT CHARACTER IT'S OH PEEEEEEEE! R33333333333333333333 FUCK1N6 N0R/\/\135!
>>341443254
I do this to Mercy players every single game until they pull out the pistol and fire on me, then I go back to playing like normal.
I make sure to point out my amazement that they actually knew they had a gun as soon as they start using it. They normally get ass pained as fuck standing behind a wall power boosting a Soldier. Fucking Mercys man what a bunch of faggots.
>>341443545
>unironically "maining" reaper
>>341443436
I play reaper when we have no healer. That way even if we lose, I still walk away with some gold exp.
Does Roadhog's M2 do as much damage as his M1? Should I only be using it?
>>341443356
>I need tips on that sweet spot.
Just play him a lot. You'll eventually get a feel for it. It's all experience.
You can test the range on bots in the practice range if you want.
>>341443583
yea I know man, they should just use the pistol and forget they picked a 99% support class.
I have 1,200 coins. What skin should I buy?
Leaning towards Reinheart or El Reaper.
>>341443685
You shouldn't only be using it but at anything longer than point blank or a foot in front you should be.
>>341443685
If you know the range perfectly you can get the M2 to have a really small spread to the point you could count it as a single bullet.
M1 is only good for hooking and if you run into someone right in your face.
>>341432229
Mei is fine, but could use a slight buff.
The only time you need to fear Mei is if the person playing her is fucking godlike, and even then she's a lot less dangerous than the majority of all other heroes.
She's a lot like Genji. She's absolute shit in the hands of people that aren't good at her, but wrecks a lot of players in the hands of someone that's good with her. Though the effort it takes to be good with her really isn't rewarded enough, she's still weak as fuck.
>>341443685
I only use his left click on rooks, everything I use right click since it does way more damage.
>>341443583
I hate playing in matches where I am the only person who's attempting to go after mercy and the enemy team is protecting her well.
I've seen plenty of players attempting to kill an enemy who's being actively healed by a mercy, and I'm screaming at the screen "THEY AREN'T GONIG TO DIE, YOU NEED TO KILL THAT MERCY FAGGOT", but alas they just die and it was all for nought.
What's with all this nerf crying?
Nothing needs a nerf now. Some characters need buffed.
No matter how much you shitters get characters nerfed you will still lose to good players.
>>341443685
if you hit them with the ball before it explodes it only does a shitty 50
you gotta hit em with the pellets or both the ball's explosion and the pellets
>>341443764
Hanzo's Awoo skin is great. I bought it even though I don't play him
>>341443785
Mercy can burn down people almost as fast as a half charged Zarya with that Pistol and it also heals Mercy if you hit.
>>341443343
low mmr
>>341443685
His M2 is literally just his M1 that fires ahead of you. At close range only the little ball will hit for low damage, so you want to use M1 up close and M2 further out where it activates.
>there are people on this planet who see a reaper teleporting above them or approaching in wraith form and don't immediately GTFO the area
>there are people who can't do simple things like keep track of time to know that his death blossom is probably ready
>there are people who don't have a knee-jerk reaction to use knock-back abilities the second he pops it and to keep those abilities on-hand whenever he's nearby
reaper is so easy to kill if you're not retarded, only baddies complain about him. stop trying to 1v1 reaper in a narrow hallway at buttfuck range with your hand in your pants
>>341443764
Buy Hanzo's Dog skin. His ult is more quiet compared to the dragon one.
>>341431402
widowmaker wasnt really nerfed, they need to nerf widowmaker more
bring the damage back down and increase the charge time to be like the tf2 sniper
How to fix dva:
- SIGNIFICANTLY reduce her massive headshot hitbox
- Remove slowdown when firing
- Make ult not get blocked by 1 tiny pixel from a pole
- Remove "!" symbol from ult and make it explode 1 second faster
- Let you regain your mech if you run into the spawn zone as pilot dva
Perfect.
>>341443764
get lionheart it's great
>>341443984
>see a reaper porting in
>wait for him and blow his shit out while he's locked in the animation
>>341443498
His entire purpose is tank killing though, to do that means going right into the middle of the enemy team and for that to not be a continuous suicide mission you need some way to get back out again.
>>341443740
I am directly shooting them in the face they have the means to defend themselves other than jumping left and right in the vain hope that someone on their team will come to the rescue. Every other class in this game can attack as well as carry out their utilities and support. Fuck Mercy. Fuck Medics in TF2 that never swapped to Needle gun and at least tried to defend themselves. Get in the fucking sea.
>>341443984
100% Agreed.
I've never had problems with enemy reapers, because I'm not a retard and follow those tips.
>>341444043
give her the same movement speed as genji and tracer
make her not slowdown while firing
>>341444043
They should just give dva stacking damage like Sym's gun. Mote you hit more dmg she does.
>>341444103
this too
it's amazing how many people just watch it complete and then attack instead of immediately firing on him the moment he reappears
>>341432902
being annoying has nothing to do with being good
mei is shit tier on pc
>>341442563
>Anyone with a mobility ability is faster than Reaper
If they have it up.
>and its not hard to guess what you're up to when you start running away after taking damage
Plenty of people don't. And if they wanna play a game of chase the Reaper while the benny hill theme plays, I'm all for it.
If they use their mobility to get to the health before me, I can just turn around and walk away, with them stuck without mobility.
>no space in the game is that enclosed
I think you're exaggerating his lack of effective range now. If you're in a standard room with him, you have a problem.
>Either you got the health and Reaper is still almost dead
But you're stuck next to him, better aim well, or you're dead in 2 seconds.
>Wraith form is not reliable because even if you use it well, you can still be killed if the enemy is smart, or just more mobile
If the enemy is smarter than you, you lose by default.
>>341444104
kek you sound so mad, is almost like you played a team that knew how to protect their heal slut.
>Playing with some faggpt that actually thinks McCree and Widow didn't need nerfed
>Thinks Pharah, Roadhog, and Junkrat do
>Thinks Lucio is a shit healer
>Calls every character a cuck/nigger and uses cuck for every verb
>Gets mad and tries to shit talk the enemy team, if we lose or fight a good team he always wants to leave to find shitters to faceroll
Jaosix if you're in this thread you are a fucking faggot.
>>341432642
It's actually only five shots. Flashbang does 25 damage. (45 * 5) + 25 = 250.
Blizz thought those numbers out well, it seems.
And anyway, you can just net two headshots.
>>341442582
No, she doesn't skyrocket, her pulling up her legs might make it look that way, but it's purely visual.
>>341431402
Reinhardt is probably going to get a slap on the wrist, he's just so good in so many scenarios.
I'd honestly buff reaper so his teleport is faster.
>>341443984
Its great when I come across teams like this because it forces me to be more creative with how I use Death Blossom. Hollywood is fucking amazing for dropping onto an enemy team before they have time to react, you pop ult in mid-air and because its actually a fucking sphere round Reaper your already doing damage as you drop towards the team.
>>341444342
and don't forget the roll fan the hammer again
>>341444265
a good genji walks all over reaper every time
if you're going to keep bitching about reaper ITT for hours and hours I suggest you take that time and instead spend it on getting gud as genji and being an annoying piece of double flipping shit while reflecting his shitterguns
>>341442652
Summerfags are a myth. 4chan does not gain significant traffic in summer.
>>341438742
>nerf hanzo
fuck you talkin bout boy, hanzo is worthless above level 10.
Definitive Overwatch Buff/Nerf List
>Genji
-
>McCree
Deadeye lasts 10sec
Deadeye reduces charge to 0%
>Pharah
Gains 50 armor
>Reaper
Wraith mode cool down increased by 2sec
>Soldier 76
-
>Tracer
Movement speed increased by 10%
LShift cool down increased by 1sec
>Bastion
Turret Mode reload speed increased by 15%
Sentry Mode repair speed increased by 20%
>Hanzo
-
>Torbjörn
Molten Core charge decreased by 15%
>Mei
Health decreased by 50
Time to freeze increased by 1sec
Blizzard freezes deals 10% more damage
>Junkrat
-
>Widowmaker
Scoped Charge rate decreased by 15%
>Reinhardt
-
>Roadhog
Health decreased by 100
Take a Breather regains 250
Primary ammo cap increased to 5
>D.VA
Mech Primary Fire do longer reduces movement speed
>Winston
LShift reduced cool down by 1sec
>Zarya
LShift reduced cool down by 1sec
>Mercy
Constantly Regens 2hp/sec
>Symmetry
Teleporter lasts until destroyed
Teleporter charges even if one is active
>Lucio
-
>Zenyatta
Health changed to 75hp/125shield
Zenyatta doesn't trigger Junkrat Beartrap
>>341444317
Its actually because I play a shitload of Lucio and feel sorry for the poor fuckers. It must be so fucking dull.
>>341444557
That doesn't mean he should be able to kill people around fucking corners.
>>341441218
The animation is a projectile. The hit is not
>>341439636
dota is built upon that principle and has been doing it for years, and there's no significant powercreep. You only get powercreep if you're retarded and unable to understand that continually buffing everyone nonstop leads to the creep.
but I was just arguing with you on principle. Overwatch would fucking suck if everyone was super powerful. So I guess everything I said was pointless. Enjoy the (you).
>>341443645
Roadhog and Bastion disagree.
>>341444579
>>Symmetry
>Teleporter lasts until destroyed
>Teleporter charges even if one is active
That was what it used to be. It was too strong and hence nerfed.
>>341444579
mei is already garbage, she does not need a nerf in any way.
>>341444579
so you want to make mei more useless than she already is then
>>341444414
at king's row at the cart point right before entering the factory where there's an intersection that has a catwalk above it, if you tele and drop-blossom there you can catch a lot of teams unaware
I got a quint-kill yesterday doing exactly that
>>341444579
>Nerfing Widow again
>Making Mei useless
>Nerfing Bastion
>nerfing Torbjörn
>No Lucio or Reinhardt nerfs
>Buffing mercy
>>341444579
>Deadeye lasts 10 sec
What are you smoking? What retard actually thinks 10 sec area denial is good?
>>341431402
>Blizzard game designers
>Blizzard casual fan base
This game was fucked from the beginning. There will never be balance.
>>341444732
>>341444772
>Mei is shit meme
She is one of the best distracts in the game
>>341444625
so you want him utterly useless?
might as well remove him from the game, all he has going for him is his ult, which is situational for area denial and rarely kills anyone competent
>>341442690
this just means you are a very shitty mercy.
>>341443984
>with your hand in your pants
but then how am I supposed to jerk off while playing my waifu/husbando??
>>341443645
why dont you just pick a fucking healer then dickhead
>>341444902
t.lvl 20 shitter.
>>341444902
this, she's better than tracer in every way barring movement speed
>>341444579
Junkrat:
- Make his bouncing Grenades do half the damage they do compared to direct hits.
>>341444902
let me guess, you're a console player who cant kill her before she freezes you?
there's a reason she's literally the least used hero in high level games, because she is trash and everything she can do another hero does better.
>>341431402
So can we just buff things instead of nerfing shit into boredom?
>>341444579
These buffs/nerfs are pants on head retarded. Or is that what you were aiming for?
>>341442387
>a good Pharah, Junkrat, or sniper can make quick work of those things
Yeah if nobody is pressuring them. If a team has a good front line defense with tobs turret in the back, shits annoying.
>go to flank turret
>get behind a wall to do a quick peek, shoot,peek shoot
>shit whips around, locks on and fires IMMEDIATELY when I peek.
>team notices and either the midget MOLTEN COOOORES or they gang bang me
It needs to be changed.
>>341445012
This is the smartest thing said in this thread
>>341442690
lol
>>341445012
>Throw grenade into a building
>Bounces off a wall
>"God damn private, now everyone is going to survive"
>>341443314
>Winston jumps
>grapple away
>tfw widowmaker is still amazing after 'nerf'
thank you based blizzard
>>341444491
Really? Stop shooting for a moment, counter broken. I already play Genji most of all, he really doesn't counter Reapers. Range and turrets counter reapers.
NERF EVERYONE MAKE EVERY CHARACTER ONE HIT KILL
You fucking faggots
>>341445164
Remind me again how high the CD on Winstons Jump is and how high Widowmakers Grapple is.
>One Winston baits Widowmaker away
>Second Winston jump on her new location
>implying Widowmaker can Grapple away inside his shield
>>341431402
>Reinhardt
>overpowered
>>341432564
Hog can interrupt his ultimate too
>>341445340
winstons jump cd is 15 seconds, grapple is 7 seconds genius
>>341444579
Barely any of this makes sense. Good job.
>>341436340
>be winston
>see widow
>leap
>giver her the monkey D
>???
>PROFIT!
>>341444902
She's literally the least used in pro play.
>>341433273
>Torbjorn
I'm playing on ps4 atm because working abroad and don't have my rig and holy shit his turret is annoying. I was just playing on volskaya and having 3 turrets on the moving platform insta shooting you when you get out of cover made me want to scream
>>341445071
This
Torb's turret is bullshit
>Has too much health for how fucking disposable it is
>Starts firing as soon as you can see it
>Range is way too fucking long
I mean it does shit for damage but still fuck this thing. Give it a damage boost and make it not able to turn instantly. Hell, it can shoot you before it even faces you.
>>341431402
>Reinhardt most unbalanced tank
>who is roadhog
>>341444659
wrong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5jSeVvgNZU
>>341443764
Heh, there's a chink in your armor m'lord
>>341445071
No, his whole role is dealing with flankers, most of whom are already good if not OP.
>>341445637
Why is it even up to debate that Roadhog wether hog is hitscan or not.
>>341445827
well some idiot above thought it was
>>341445628
>my face people are slowly realizing how overpowered Roadhog + Zarya is
Just fuck my shit up.
If the enemy team goes with that combo it's usually auto-lose.
>>341440940
I honestly do not see this whole "WIDOWMAKER AND HANZO OP! WÄÄÄH!" is this some shit on American servers only or what? In Europe the most cancerous shit I seen is Bastions, Meis and Torbjörn crossfire shit. And Roadhogs t hat never die and one hit everyone of the squishies.
>>341437940
>Reinhardt should be able to go toe-to-toe with Roadhog but currently can't with his fucking broken self-heal.
>a vanilla tank with a hugeass shield an an aoe stun as ult should be able to go toe to toe with an offensive murdermachine
'no'
>>341445974
Sounds like a sniper field day to me. Maybe a Bastion or a Reaper to top it off.
>>341444685
dota is NOT balanced around power creep
it's a thing that's happened, yes, but heroes are still nerfed extremely frequently
batrider was nerfed like 20 patches in a row
>>341445572
Blizzard is going to balance console and PC separately from now on. Torbjörn nerfs are coming soon I would assume.
>>341445827
i guess it's because people keep getting hooked around corners
>>341446027
> I seen is Bastions, Meis and Torbjörn crossfire shi
>The germanfag wonders why the shittiest characters aside Torb are wrecking his ass
Not even meming but git gud and actually reach an MMR that isn't bottom barrel. Bastion is useless because every one and their mother already learned dealing with him (to the point that people call that faggot Bastion out to switch characters) and Mei also being useless as fuck.
>>341446027
Please don't turn this into a EU vs US thing.
Bastion, Mei, Roadhog and Torb are only strong at low skill levels.
>>341446195
That would be the wise and obvious thing to do. There is no point in trying to make the same things work for everyone
>>341446027
We're talking about the PC version you console shitter.
>>341438495
I agree with this
She's just a little harder to play because you can't go rambo if you're not charged or not amazing at predicting attacks for ez fills, but she has the pontential for great shenanigans
>melting tanks and everything with low mobility with lmb
>artillery striking the enemy squishies all over the map
>saving your squishies from all kinds of shit
>that goddamn gamewinning ult, if you're close to max charge and the enemy doesn't have a support ult or a rein shield you can melt whole teams yourself with it
The only downside is watching ,some faggot Hanzo or Reaper get potg every time after you've ulted
>
>>341446164
>Bastion or Reaper against Zarya
m8 you are giving her free max charges.
It was really funny when I played Zarya once, popped my shield and run in front of people to soak up Bastion damage and get free Max Charge.
>>341438739
Winston can chase and easily strafe in and out of his shield if necessary, but he should be able to survive Reaper.
>>341434112
NO WHY DID YOU REMIND ME?
>>341446370
"Console shitter".
This shit happens in random match making on PC. Now people ask to nerf Hanzo and Widow from one shot on a fucking headshot on lowbies, You really want to make it shit easy to push a payload or make more people go for fucking Bastion.
Mei, useless, the cunt always drops by with an ulti or freezing you running around to get their fucking Bastions and snipers. Then you see them aim their shitty aim for a HS. You fucking thicc loving asshats.
>>341446478
Because it's harder to simply stop shooting with Bastion or Reaper?
Wait for her short ass shield to drop, maul her.
>>341431579
>Torbjorns turrets track between targets way too quickly.
That and they can lock on to you from way too far and don't have enough, if any, damage fall-off with distance. Same with Bastion. Snipers are supposed to be good for taking out turrets and Bastion but they still have a hard time doing so because both Bastion and Torb's turrets can melt them at any sniping distance.
Basically, Bastion and Torb's turrets are capable of sniping and they shouldn't be.
>>341440189
>but now its way too unrealible to burst down 200 hp targets
I don't understand
You fan them, aim at center mass, rightclick and they're dead, quite literally
Alternatively you hit them 3-4 times with your 70 dmg lmb
He still absolutely shits on most of the cast, that nerf changed very little
Torbjorn was complete garbage for the entirety of the game's life up until they finally buffed him near release, stop asking for him to be nerfed faggots.
>he doesnt play based roadhog at least once in a while
>inb4 muh feeding enemy ults
literally second most fun character in the game behind junkrat.
>>341445248
it's not the deflection of bullets but the safety bubble it gives a genji to dance around or get away
>range counter reapers
genji does that too unless you are fucking awful with his shuriken
>>341431402
I think Reinhardt deserves a nerf, but I don't know where is most appropriate.
Reaper is fine, he's running wild right now because people are stupid assholes who think you're not allowed to play nerfed heroes.
>>341446592
>I have never played with a decent team or watch comp play
>>341439009
Zen doesn't even need the HP because he can survive bodyshots now. Retards. Zen's DPS is stupid.
>>341446740
Roadhog was fun at first but got old fast. It's just hooking all day getting instakills. He doesn't have a single interesting aspect or not even a hint of depth
>Rein
>Nerf
His hammer does no damage. It takes like 5 hits to kill a fucking Lucio and pinning is all luck. Rein needs a buff not a nerf.
>>341431579
Torbjorn's turret should
>Do more damage
>Actually take time to turn
He's bad at defense right now against the character that do deal with him, but incredibly annoying against those that don't. This would level the playing field a bit while making him more useful in actually defending chokepoints.
>>341438495
shes fucking amazing and her shield/ult combos with everything.
>ult with genji ult
>shield reaper as he does DIE DIE DIE
>insane damage fully charged
>shield makes her almost unkillable
>>341444659
Someone has already provided the evidence you're wrong, so I'll just call you a retard for talking shit without knowing shit.
>>341441121
>FTH better against hard to hit targets
Fucking what? There's a reason he stunned first.
>>341445248
Geni needs ONE well placed deflect in reaper's face to outright kill him or at least cancel deflect and swift strike to finish off
>>341446753
>it's not the deflection of bullets but the safety bubble it gives a genji to dance around or get away
Reaper doesn't want to deal with Genji anyway, so if you wanna run, go ahead.
>genji does that too unless you are fucking awful with his shuriken
Even if you're great with them, they take time to arrive at their target. Anyone aware of you throwing them can more around randomly to stop you from hitting them. They're only reliable on people that are not paying attention to you or stationary targets.
No, Genji does not counter reaper.
>people saying torb needs to be nerfed
unless you're a console player, shut the fuck up and get good.
Torb is literally a worse engineer from tf2, he is terrible against decent players and not many of the top teams even bother running him for that reason. if you cant kill a completely stationary sentry with low health then kill yourself or go back to COD. dont complain about "MUH FAST LOCK ON" because you can pop in and out of cover and not take damage from it while destroying it. and if you take damage, 1s of a sentry shooting you will do fucking nothing.
>>341446660
You make it sound easier than it actually is. A good Zarya pops the shield while they are under fire. It's impossible to not get max charge once you figured out when to use them.
Two shots by a Reaper will almost give you 50% from close range. If it was so easy to just "stop shooting" it would make Zarya completely useless, god bless human error, only a robot could probably stop shooting at Zarya when she pops the shield while she's in his face.
Also shooting Reinhardts shield while he's bubbled also gives free charges.
>>341446740
the problem i have with roadhog is how quickly he becomes useless in loads of situations, like trying to deal with 2 flankers at once or if the enemy team actually makes a coordinated push and kills 2-3 members of your team
Honestly, I think Reaper does need less health. With his abilities, his healing souls, and high damage, it feels like he needs to be more of a glass cannon.
On the flip side I don't play him, and I only really acknowledge him as the fucker who walked behind me while I was fighting somebody else, or the asshole who drifted away to safety after I did 99% damage to him
>>341447045
Yeah, so it's mindgames. If the Genji can predict you, you lose, if the Genji uses it too early, he loses. That's not a counter, that's a skill match.
>>341445408
Hog can stop practically any ult that isn't deployed.
>>341446923
>or not even a hint of depth
Hitting that rmb sweespot is pretty hard but super rewarding, instakills all day
>>341446250
I had a Roadhog hook do this horseshit once.
>>341447194
I'd still say a Genji will have the upper hand against a reaper if both are equally skilled players
>>341447048
>No, Genji does not counter reaper.
honestly keep going around and telling people this I enjoy killing reapers as genji no fucks given
>>341445340
>Need two Winstons to counter one 200 HP hero
Truly the master of strategy ITT
>>341447375
That's not my strategy you dumbass but those of pro-players.
>>341446190
>>341439636
>>341444685
Regardless, you have to remember that is just isn't Blizzard's philosophy to keep buffing. Starcraft and Hearhstone kept the trend of nerfind old shit and introducing broken shit going, and now Overwatch is just going going to be next in line.
>>341447192
He has no real mobility and he needs the health to flank. There are 2 main flankers in this game, and god knows that Tracer's problem is that she dies from being sneezed on. It takes 3 blinks and an rewind for her to be able to do her job properly.
A reaper only works because he is rewarded for successful flanks with HP sustain, and he is the only useful tank shredder that isn't another tank. He is a little strong, but that's if he is playing well.
>>341447375
2 winstons is just really good in general
>>341447085
He works well with D.Va, incidentally. Neither are main tank material but as a group their damage and survival is quite high.
'>'one shot one kill'
>headshot doesnt kill everyone in the cast
?
>>341444320
so average /vg/ player?
>>341444579
>Zenyatta doesn't trigger Junkrat Beartrap
If we're going that far, can we make it so that Zenyatta isn't affected by Rein's ultimate?
>>341447461
Pros have situational uses for every hero. You might not be considering that such a strategy might be ineffective for Payload or Capture Points, because one Bastion could (theoretically) destroy both of those Winstons.
>>341447075
I call it the tickle methods, I use it on Genji's all the time as Bastion. You shoot a very short burst, they pop their reflect/bubble, and you laugh at them.
Another thing, the Zarya shield is only 200 hp, this gives her a total of 600. You'll be dead before you can use your charge up.
>only a robot could probably stop shooting at Zarya
It's not a black and white question. The question is: "how fast can you stop shooting", and if you're not shit, and you see a Zarya, you should already be prepared to stop shooting at any moment.
>>341447796
>Zenyatta loses 25 HP
>Zenyatta is no longer effected by enemy ultimates
Would this be acceptable?
>>341436501
It's pretty obvious that it will lose a shitload of players, it sold on marketing buzz more than people wanting to play the game.
The blizzard shitters that are completely awful at FPS games probably already don't really play
how do I get gud with widowmaker?I am serious
>>341447552
>fight broken with broken
But if everyone's broken, no one is.
>>341447834
Bastion isn't even used in Pro Matches because he's that shit.
Also 2 Winstons work in literally every situation, you fail to realize that their shit Tesla Gun locks on multiple targets and two Gorillas burning your ass down while popping those shields is pretty hard to get rid off.
>>341444579
This is shit. Let me help you.
>Genji
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>McCree
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>Pharah
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>Reaper
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>Soldier 76
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>Tracer
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>Bastion
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>Hanzo
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>Torbjorn
Enemies can no longer see the turret's laser sight
>Mei
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>Junkrat
Decrease ultimate charge rate by 7.5%
>Widowmaker
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>Reinhardt
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>Roadhog
Increase CD time of Hook by 2 seconds
>D.VA
Reduce CD time of her boost by 1 second
Increase range of her primary fire by 10%
>Winston
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>Zarya
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>Mercy
Ultimate recharge rate decreased by 15%
>Symmetra
TP grants an additional 25 shields upon use. Stacks with her E ability
>Lucio
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>Zenyatta
Increase movement speed by 7.5%
>>341432902
>Especially when one is on your team and just puts walls FUCKING ANYWHERE
I'm so sorry I blocked you from getting that oh so important kill in this clearly deathmatch oriented game. I was too busy keeping enemies away from the point/payload to notice.
Mei is classified as Defense for a reason. If you lost a kill because a Mei wall got in your way, you have no reason to be salty. You either reposition to ambush when the wall goes down or you were already in the wrong spot and probably not fulfilling your character's role. Or maybe you should just play with friends who communicate their intentions instead of relying on totally uncoordinated rando teams. Either way, this isn't a Mei problem, this is a you problem.
>>341447948
No. While that ultimate thing is interesting, losing 25 health means he gets one-shot by looking at him.
>>341445591
this reaction image is a lie
>>341446848
Mind you, I Have, but games are always more fun in the medium shit tier.
>>341448007
It also sold on a very successful open beta, that showed the game was actually a lot of fun.
>>341447552
if everyone have aim bot and wall hack, no one have aim bot and wall hack.
>>341448357
Asshole
>>341448212
Killing an enemy player could be preferable to letting them live, group up with their team, heal and let their skills come off cooldown for a big push.
They should just give Zenyetta Armor instead of Shields and place the orb on himself when its not on other targets, or give him a smaller passive heal like Mercy rather than shields.
Shields are fucking useless.
>>341431402
Everyone has counters and situations they underpreform in except Lucio. He is great everywhere and literally broken in KotH.
Reinhardt's pick rate in pubs and competitive isn't really his fault, he's literally the only tank in the game. Everything else claiming to be a tank is just a beefy bruiser.
>>341448150
Learn to twitch fire.
>>341447948
No. Rein's ult and Junkrat's beartraps should be the only things that don't affect him. Adding a health nerf wouldn't balance him, it would just mean he's awful in all situations despite his advantages in two exclusive situations.
>>341448491
D.Va has great damage mitigation in the right hands. She can even zap projectiles.
>>341448485
>Shields are fucking useless
Are you retarded? Shields are the sole reason why Zarya is so powerful because she regenerates 200HP for free every time. She's almost unkillable because of that.
Zenyatta can't even heal himself, his shield is the only thing keeping him from dying.
>>341448168
Valve's games aren't balanced because of that, trust me.
>people not complaining about lucio
>koths literally have 4 lucios
>literally no hero that counters his abilities
>>341448180
Uncalled for Roadhog and Junkrat nerfs, no buffs for Hanzo, Bastion, and Mei. Torb buff too weak.
I like the Symmetry idea, but she doesn't really need a buff.
>>341448007
So you're making assumptions based on entirely nothing then?
>>341448485
>and place the orb on himself when its not on other targets, or give him a smaller passive heal like Mercy rather than shields.
I'm glad you are not in charge of balance because you are not even realizing what kind of monster you are creating.
>>341448491
>Reinhardt's pick rate in pubs and competitive isn't really his fault, he's literally the only tank in the game. Everything else claiming to be a tank is just a beefy bruiser.
i've said that shit since the first alpha
no one else in the game uniquely does something that vital
>>341448890
>McRee kills Lucio
>Suddenly his abilities don't work
>>341449051
only way mccree kills lucio is if he gets the jump on him, he wont even get close otherwise.
>>341448491
>Reinhardt's pick rate in pubs and competitive isn't really his faul
I agree, once we get more heroes with options for mobile cover or shields then we can examine how good he is for the game, but right now he's just the one who can fill the niche of mobile, team-wide cover.
>>341448474
Like I said, learn to reposition. You can ambush when the wall comes down or predict the enemy team taking a different path to get around the wall and ambush them there. If you're an Offense character, you should have most likely been flanking anyway and wouldn't have been stuck behind the wall.
>>341446726
nah he used to be amazing when he could buff his turret to level 3 with scrap
>>341448798
I was talking specifically about Zenyetta. And part of my point is he should be able to heal himself, rather than rely on part of his miniscule health regenerating.
>>341449036
Hence the 'smaller passive heal' i know if he could put an orb on himself he would just walk into people slinging orbs at full fuck you speed. But he shouldn't be able to do that in the first place since hes a fucking support not a glass cannon who just so happens to be able to heal, poorly.
>>341448890
As soon as we get a new hero with a speed boost Lucio's pick rate will drop off.
>>341449051
Guess who just got nerfed into the ground? Two characters who were good against Lucio.
Double Lucio way outheals all shitty limp dick damage like Genji, Winston, D'Va, Tracer, etc. And he moves so fast good luck freezing him with Mei or hooking him with Hog.
>>341431858
You've gotta remember Reaper's fall off damage is very high. Just be far away.
McCree is not gutted. He can still kill any non tank. They simply wanted to reduce his effectiveness agaisnt tanks because reaper is supposed to be the tank buster. Right Click Clints can't do anything anymore because they can't spam M2 anymore. Decent mindset players are still fine because they know how to use their M1.
Reapers counter is still McCree. Blizzard literally said this themselves.
>>341449341
Give Zen 25 extra health and make his entire health pool a shield. No more need to self heal.
>>341449380
A full Fan the Hammer still instantly kills Lucio.
>>341448890
Add a Symmetra to your team. She's great for focusing down the other supports, and her abilities are particularly well-suited for KotH. I like to think of her as the anti-support support.
>>341432113
>Mei needs a nerf
stop trying to 1v1 her at close range dummy. You're not going to win.
>>341448212
You do realize that not killing someone means their whole team will be at full health and ready to push the moment the wall comes down, right? You delay more by killing and reducing their numbers.
>>341449380
>nerfed into the ground
>>341449491
Really theres no difference other then semantics of full shield hp and slowly regenerating regular hp.
I still think he should have some Armor though since hes a fucking robot.
>>341448794
I'm usually stuck using her as a suicide bomb. If there's a turret or bastion my team can't get past, I often have to be the one to rush in with defense matrix, take out the turret+Torb or the Bastion, and then die in the process while my team makes their push.Then again, I'm usually stuck with ineffective snipers or a Rein that won't fucking push forward and just stands far back with his shield while my team is stuck taking weak pot shots at turrets/Bastions and doing nothing to them because somebody is healing them.
>>341449509
Yes, but people are going to pick McCree a LOT less now. He gets absolutely shit on by Roadhog now.
>>341432152
>I play a tank and a tank buster is my nightmare
lol
What would you think of an ult that gave them +800 hp for 5 seconds and they absorbed 50% of their teams damage in a 20 ft radius for that time?
>>341449646
Fan used to do 70 per bullet. Now it does 45 and fires less accurately.
That's a big fucking nerf.
>>341449874
Might as well make everyone immortal than because you will never burn those 800 HP + another 200/500/600 HP down to kill them.
>>341449874
Who and why?
>>341444104
>Medics in TF2 never swapped to the needle gun
Indeed,they swapped to the Ubersaw to get that sweet Ubercharge from the over extanding Scunts
>>341449673
regular hp doesn't regenerate unless you play mercy
>>341450006
>Big Nerf
>Can still melt any tank except the One Man Apocalypse not on Max HP
>>341449051
>McCree instantly kills Lucio
>there's two or more of them
>they can DROP DA BEAT if they even smell you in the vicinity, now you're fucked
>>341450139
Hence why my original point in terms of balancing him would be to give him slowly regenerating regular HP like Mercy.
>>341440261
Her mech guns are the crappiest weapons I've ever encountered in any video game ever.
>>341432152
as roadhog you should be destroying reaper
>>341450010
>>341450017
Maybe drop it to +400 then and give it to a slow tank character.
>>341450195
>What is Bastion
Are you implying Bastion isn't going to melt them so hard that even if they popped all their Ultis they wouldn't die?
>>341433749
when you hook hold M1. it will instnalty do the next action youre trying to do when the hook animation is over. same goes for flashbang
Didn't read through this whole thread but as a *decent overwatch player, as in hidden mmr consitently pairs friends and myself against seagull, kyky, internethulk, etc all the comp guys. I feel the need to say that the nerfs went over pretty well. Mcree is still a very solid pick and extremely playable, widow is still a cunt but the nerf to her rescope speed does make her a lot more vulnerable to flankers. Overall this has been a great balance patch considering it came from Blizzard. Just my 2cents
>>341450215
There is a difference though. Shield regens faster after a shot time of not getting hit. Mercy health regens slowly but surely.
>>341450354
literally no one picks bastion anymore.
>>341450437
Fair deuce. Means hes even shitter since he has to go hide in a corner to regenerate.
>>341450526
>Get cheesed by 3 Lucios
>Doesn't pick the only character along with Roadhog to melt them down
It's entirely your fault for being retarded.
>>341450409
I'm worried the nerfs are too little, what do you think?
>>341450354
Bastion beats everyone in the game if he's properly set up, but that's the whole point, he won't be most of the time. Especially with Lucio speeding his team up.
>>341450603
But comes back faster. He doesn't need to tether to his healing target like mercy, so he can afford to anyway.
>>341450678
What's even the point? A single Roadhog can take care of the two other classes that are gonna be assault while you have 3 Lucios. What are the Lucios gonna do? Tickle your teammates?
>>341450667
IMO Mcree is in a GREAT spot. Still stops flankers like tracer/genji relatively well & can still assist greatly in dropping tanks, just not entirely solo. Widow...hard to say, I think a great widow player is going to be hard to deal with no matter what. Interesting note however is that as a hanzo fan, her nerf to rescope speed makes her much more balanced to fight as hanzo.
>>341450641
lucios auras don't stack though, how would that be effective?
>>341451005
Heal Aura actually stacks.
>>341441509
It's almost as if he has a close range shotgun as a weapon.
>>341431858
>Reaper
>No hard counter
*throws flashback*
WHOA THERE, EASY
*fans the hammer*
*tips cowboy hat*
AND THAT'S HOW THE WEST WAS WON
Rather than buffing and nerfing characters, Blizzard should figure out a way to make playing Reinhardt and ANY healer aside from Lucio actually fun so that people have some sort of incentive to pick them imho.
>>341451089
no they don't actually
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