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Cleopatra edition
Language spoken in leader screen: Coptic
Agenda: "Queen of the Nile" - she likes powerful militaries and will try to ally with them
"Cleopatra likes me because I've been building up my army to take out that barbarian camp, but if you don't have a powerful military, she won't give you the time of day. Later, when my army loses forces facing the barbarian camp and I explore too close to her border, our relationship declines. She especially gets mad once I meet and stay on friendly terms with Teddy Roosevelt, whom she dislikes. Rumors and gossip show up about leaders throughout the game; this new system gives you more information to react to and plan your decisions around."
UU: Chariots (probably)
Capital: Giza
New footage:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUL1Y95To2A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J88bmqKrbu0
New stuff
>>341422664
WUZNT
Wonders
Big Ben of London
Colossus of Rhodes +Gold, +Great Admiral Points, + Trade Route output
Colosseum of Rome
Eiffel Tower of Paris +Appeal on each tile of your Civ, Must: on flat land, next to City Centre
Great Library of Alexandria +Science, 2 Great Writing slots, +Research on Ancient and Classical Era Techs, Must: next to Campus with Library
Great Lighthouse of Alexandria
Hagia Sophia of Istanbul +Faith, +Great Prophet points, Apostles and Missionaries have one extra charge, Must: next to Holy Site, have founded a Religion
Hanging Gardens of Babylon +growth in all cities, Must: next to River
Mahabodhi Temple of Bodh Gaya +Faith, 2 free Apostles, Must: on Woods, next to Holy Site with Temple, have founded a Religion
Mont St. Michel of Normandy +Faith, 2 Relic slots, apostles get Mater Ability, Must: on Floodplains/Marsh
Oracle of Delphi +Faith, +1 point to all Great People, Must: on hills
Pyramids of Giza +Culture, one free Builder, Builders get extra charge, Must: on Desert/Flood Plains
Stonehenge of Wiltshire +Faith, Free Great Prophet, Must: on flat land, next to Stone
Terracotta Army of Xi'an +Great General Points, free promotion for all land Units, Archeologists can enter territory without a Open Boarders agreement, Must: on grasslands/plains, next to Encampment with Barracks or Stable
Venetian Arsenal of Venice +Great Engineer points, receive a second navel vessel when every you build one in this city, Must: next to Coast, next to Industrial Zone
>>341422565
>coptic
>not greek
Would not even pirate/10
>>341424138
why the fuck would she speak greek in egypt
she knew the language but it's weird to have her speak that
>18 civs in the base game again
fuck there better be multiple leaders with separate UAs
>>341424335
>le epik doesnt know about history may may
>>341424506
what about that is wrong, faggot
>>341422565
I want to cum on Cleopatras big titties.
Any bets on who the remaining civs will be? We know the Aztecs will be in which aren't always a base civ, and that plus shoe-ins means something like:
America
China
Japan
Egypt
Rome
Greece
Germany
France
England
India
Russia
Arabia
Which leaves us with only 6 civs. Now, they've said they wanted to focus on populating the entire world more to accomodate TSL players, so I'm guessing it'll be something like
Gran Colombia
Kongo
Australia
Mali
Persia
Brazil
>>341424335
Cleopatra was a member of Seleucid dynasty, founded by Alexander the Great's general Seleucos. I don't actually know what language they might have spoken in court, but considering the heavy degree of Hellenization, Greek does sound like very much plausible to me.
>>341424138
Cleopatra made a point to learn Egyptian, it's acceptable. It's less questionable than Ramesses speaking Arabic or William speaking Dutch (correct me if this is wrong, but supposedly he couldn't).
>>341424951
>she knew the language
that's what I said
it would still be weird to have her speak that as representative of her country in civ, especially as she likely also spoke egyptian lnaguages anyway
>>341424625
She already wants to be killed a tiny poisonous snake.
If there's anything I've learned about Civ games is waiting for the first expansion before buying.
>>341425130
>Cleopatra will never degrade you calling your penis a tiny snake while you jerk off on her huge tits
WHY.EVEN.LIVE.
>>341425130
Man the diplo screens look kind of crap now. Does this mean more leaders per civ?
>>341425179
This.
Got V complete for $7.99
It's funny how they blatantly ripped off Cleopatra from Rome series.
>>341424951
Ptolemaic dynasty, not Selucid. You are thinking of the wrong general mate.
Civ V really was the beggining of the end. Thism looks just fucking awful. Fucking turning CIV into iPod casual games with bucket filling mechanics
>>341425392
i am kind of bothered that the environment they're standing in isn't 3d any more, allowed for some cool shit
>not a dark skinned african with fat wide lips and a chimp nose
WHITE WASHING
>>341422565
Why is she not black, Whitey again stealing our historical figures lmao
>>341422565
Why does a Ptolemy Greek look like a dark Asiatic Native American?
>>341425538
I was thinking that
I don't mind, she was a qt
>>341425625
When did they start to add fantasy civs into the game?
Cleopatra in real life was an ugly inbred Greek with small tits.
>>341425625
Static pictures instead of environments is alright but they should probably choose better/more detailed looking pictures.
>>341425560
Oh shit. Sorry, I got them mixed up.
>>341425768
she looks like a caricature with exaggerated features, like everyone in civ 6
>>341425812
Civ 1
>>341425625
>throws his helmet into the water
>>341425835
Thank God civ allows us to waifu up these dead hags.
gonna try to hold out for the complete edition in a few years
i've got plenty of mileage left in 5 anyway
>>341425850
Sorry for what? Our daddy taught us not be ashamed of Alexander's successor states, especially since they're such good size and all.
>>341425625
>Scandinavians
>Civilization
They should be removed and so should the Zulus.
>>341425857
is his ua shooting bees from his mouth
>>341426101
Don't the name so literally. Civilizaiton is just a snappier name than "4X with an ethnic and historical flavor".
>>341422565
civ 6 starts looking better and better.
feeling the hype.
>>341426050
Nice meme
>>341425625
>that clipping on the rope
>>341422565
>That nose
I don't know who that woman is, but I do know that she isn't Cleopatra
>>341425954
>there are people who would prefer characters to look realistic rather than BUILT FOR SEX
>hexes
dropped
>>341422664
Cleopatra was Greek. And arguably destroyed Egypt permanently.
>>341426101
>it's another anonymous yapping about what is and what isn't a civilization episode
>>341426473
Whoever was in charge had no hope of standing against the Romans.
>>341424951
Cleopatra was the first of her family to learn fluent Egyptian, though
she liked to think she's Isis reincarnated
>>341422629
unzoomed looks way better than original screenshots, i like it
should've been hatshepsut
>>341426464
You mad you square?
>>341426539
Only Rome can kill Rome!
>>341426539
Self-rule was still an option and they could've joined with the ERE later. The roman empire was a vestigial empire, after all.
But Alexandria was too important and she fucked the romans too hard so they had to assume direct control..
>>341426464
6 > 4
>>341426659
Hannibal and Atilla came close
>>341426752
YOUUUUUUUUUU FAGGOT
>cleopatra
>capital: Giza
>not Alexandria
>>341426768
Close but no cigar, only Rome can fully kill themselves, which they did.
>>341426789
math don't lie
>>341422565
nude mod required
I like the way fog of war is handled, sort of. I wish it would mimic maps of each era, with early maps being tribal scribbles changing to ones with seamonsters and shit and then colorful globe style before finally going Google Earth.
Does the entire map show up as explored from the get go, though? Or do you have to explore to learn what the terrain is like?
>>341426653
No, just sad another great series has gone to shit.
>>341424335
They would definitely speak Greek when dealing with other leaders. Also she was the only Ptolemaic leader to learn Egyptian, so I guess it's acceptable.
>>341426834
i'm pretty sure that came from the video linked in the OP, and Egypt is getting conquered there
it might just be their capital after their original was captured
>>341422565
How the hell am I supposed to fap to this?
What the fuck?
>>341426665
Egypt was the breadbasket of Rome, they needed direct control over it regardless of the political situation.
>>341426968
only sad thing here is you, everything else is great.
This new style is UGLY as fuck. I mean, Civ V wasn't beautiful or anything but at least it was a clear advancement over IV (graphically, at least)
This is just outright UGLY
>>341426993
Well, she has pretty nice tits
>>341427043
Except all those years when some ugly bitch didn't stop shipments for the lulz.
>>341427108
Gotta get that mobile audience, anon. Which means they're STYLIZING their art or whatever the fuck the buzz word is.
>>341426018
seems a bit silly, I imagine Civ6 will actually release as a solid game considering it looks like it will be borrowing a lot from Civ5 anyways.
Surely can't be worse than Civ5 vanilla.
>>341426938
Yes, there's still exploration, the parchment is just the "shadow" you see in Civ 5 when you have no vision
>>341427108
I don't know, I've kind of warmed to it, especially at seeing something like >>341422629
I don't mind them making the graphics mostly very functional to make the game as clear as possible
>>341425130
She is fucking hideous. What happened?
>>341422565
They should have gotten Kate Upton to be the model for Cleo. She loves shilling mobile games.
How fucked am I?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5oO6wBrp8s
>>341427317
They made her historically accurate.
I'm curious about the new gameplay additions but by god why must they make it look like some mobile garbage
I like their Teddy. This Cleo looks bad though, and I hate Cleo in general. She's such a pop culture choice for Egypt. If they wanted a female ruler, they should have at least chosen Hatshepsut.
>>341422565
>game is oversaturated with bright colors
>leaderscreens are cartoonish but gloomy
not feeling it
>>341427312
FANBOIS WILL ACCEPT LITERALLY ANYTHING
>>341427405
If it's a naval heavy map, prepare to cry a lot. Ships of the Line are really hard to beat and the best way to do it is to hope for RNG luck with privateers capturing them.
>>341427441
Makes sense since the target demographic is "everyone with a PC" and the most common complaints about Civ 5 were
>wtf why does it load for so long
>laaaag how do I download more ram
>online is laggy
>turns take too long help plz
>>341427317
SJWs
>>341427469
I think the choice was motivated by agendas. Ed Beach basically said their choices were 'personality'/pop culture based. Cleo seemed like an optimal choice for a leader with a slutting agenda.
>>341425625
I actually never liked fully animated leaders or diplomacy screens. it just makes modding more difficult.
>>341427532
different strokes for different folks, faggot
people called Civ V ugly as shit when screenshots came in too
>>341427563
>Implying the ai knows how to do naval stuff
>>341427563
if it's an AI opponent he was absolutely nothing to worry about naval warfare wise
>>341422629
I hope the terrain in fog of war style changes through the eras
>>341427615
this is dumb, it could've been as easy as anything else if Firaxis had just made it easy to mod in proper models and animations
>>341426539
She sped up the process by being a dishonest ambitious whore though.
I preferred the more realistic leader portraits in Civ 5, to be quite honest, my family.
>>341427615
>it just makes modding more difficult
What do you mean exactly?
>>341427615
big reason why I never bothered with custom leaders/nations
>>341427653
CIV V IS UGLY AS SHIT. CIV IV LOOKS WAY BETTER. CIV VI LOOKS EVEN WORSE.
>>341427614
So we getting Boudicca and Wu Zetian again?
God fucking damn it.
>>341427469
I think the choice of leaders ties with their goal to make AI personalities more unique, and if you think about the devs' comments about Cleopatra with Caesar and then Mark Antony, it does provide an unique personality that makes some degree of historical sense (Cleopatra AI tries to woo powerful military empires).
>>341424138
Well still better than Ramesses II speaking arabic.
>>341427532
and haters gonna hate
it's always like this. half of the people will call this cancer and death of civilization and the other half will call it the best game in series.
and we'll spend another 5 years here arguing over this
>>341427405
WOULD YOU BE INTERESTED IN A TRADE AGREEMENT WITH ENGLAND
>>341427615
It also gets fucking annoying once you're done with the novelty factor. Just give me simplified interface with a static image or something instead of animations and lines I'll end up skipping anyway.
>>341427828
Chinese leader was Qin Shi Huang I think
>>341427824
looks like shit.
civ6 looks way better than this.
>>341427662
>>341427685
It's been like a year since I've played so I don't remember how competent the AI was at that. On King I remember occasionally struggling though, albeit I guess not on naval maps.
>>341427824
>posts modded pics
nigger don't pretend
>>341427940
I CAN TELL THAT YOU DON'T LIKE VIDEO GAMES.
>>341424835
I'll be very triggered if they add Brazil without Pedro.
>>341428016
i don't like ugly video games like that shit you've posted
More than the gwafix what I find absolutely disgusting is the shitty Clash of Clans-style UI, with all those marble candy buttons.
So since I don't wanna see Bismarck again and Hitler basically never, any chance for a new german leader?
>>341425954
Revolution got couple of things right, I'll give it that.
>>341427828
China's leader has already been confirmed to be Qin Shi Huang, so no
Just imagine a bunch of leaders who aren't necessarily the best leaders for their countries, but have very distinct personalities, like Henry VIII, Nero/Caligula, Saladin
I can totally see Catherine, Enrico, and Napoleon coming back with that in mind, too
>>341428003
>people unironically think this looks better than 6
>>341428069
There are literally no German leaders of note besides Bismark and Hitler, though.
Or would you like to see something completely incompetent like Hindenburg or one of the Kaisers?
>>341428069
Frederick the Great
>>341428067
GOD DAMN KIDS WOULDN'T RECOGNIZE A GOOD GAME IF IT DOWNLOADED ITSELF INTO THEIR CELL PHONES AND REPLACED THEIR TEXTING APP.
>>341427109
But what about the nose
>>341428069
Who do you even suggest?
I really want to see a based english king instead of fucking elizabeth/victoria.
>>341428061
They could go for Marechal Deodoro, but everybody would be like "literally who", including most retarded Brazilians.
>fully animated 3D models means SFM porn again
>>341428201
sure kiddo
>>341424835
>Spain will be DLC again
Oh well, at least there is no chance they are changing Isabella
>18 civs
>some of them new
>South America specifically mentioned for TSL maps
>leader choices based around personalities/agendas
Prepare for Gran Colombia
>>341427805
It's a lot more work if you actually want to give your mod some production values and not just use whatever existing assets are in the game. Although to be fair it's been that way since Civ4 and most mods didn't bother with it.
>>341428295
Deodoro was a shitty dictator who did nothing but break the economy.
civ call to power features whenI want my orbitting and underwater cities ;_;
>>341428458
Brazil doesn't have good representatives other than Pedro.
>>341422565
That attack animation is absolute shit.
Why downgrades?
>>341428419
It's a bit ridiculous for Spain not to be in the base game.
>>341422565
Ummm... why isn't she black?
>>341428419
I'm a bit worried about my favourites, the Netherlands
They seem like something you'd cut completely
>>341428069
The series has used Frederick the Great and Frederick Barbarossa before. It'll probably be Bismarck though.
>those comfy nights
>you can permanently keep the game in night-time
INSTANT GOTY
I will be playing Civ 5 until they release the definitive/GOTY/whatever version
>>341428615
(You)
>>341428423
Bolivar has been my most wanted since III, so I'm very excited for this possibility. I do hope Shoshone returns, too.
>>341428445
Seems like a pretty shallow reason to prefer less detailed diplo screens for official civs, not like anybody expects modded civs to have high production values anyway.
To be honest, I actually hate Qin Shihuangdi as well. I guess I'll just have to put up with him though. For Japan, since they've used Tokugawa Ieyasu a lot and recently used Nobunaga, I'm thinking if they want another Sengoku guy they could use the second unifier Hideyoshi. If they don't want to go with Sengoku for some reason, they could go with Prince Shotoku.
I'm expecting predictable shit everywhere else. Russia will probably be Catherine, though it's feasible they could do Ivan the Terrible or Peter the Great purely for the force of personality. England will be Elizabeth in all likelihood, with some very scant chance of it being Henry VIII. Greece will be Alexander. France will be Napoleon. Germany will be Bismarck and India will be Gandhi. They generally go for leaders that are popular and well known. Theodore Roosevelt is probably their biggest surprise.
>>341428579
Civ VI seems to be getting pretty much all Civ V: BNW features at some level so, if Civ VI expansions expand the game as much the expansions of previous games did, there's a good chance we're getting some interesting new features not seen in IV or V.
>>341428350
>mfw they'll never be as hot as Catherine
>>341428765
I rather have my moddedanimecivs to have unique gameplay styles and mechanics over pretty animations desu
>>341422565
>Coptic
Cleopatra was from the Ptolemaic Dynasty, she should speek Greek.
>>341428636
>>341428185
Plus, gay representation
>>341428175
Depends on whether you count the >Holy >Roman >Empire as German.
>>341428814
Maybe Civ VI expansion will finally bring us highways
>>341428423
that would be great, but I suspect we'll just be seeing Incans as the vanilla SA civ. Maybe Brazil again.
>>341427317
she was hideous in real life
>>341428797
I kind of want Meiji for Japan, just for a completely different era rather than more fucking sengoku every single time
>>341428814
Civ ctp was one of the games I played a lot in my childhood, other civs had basically none of the fun features it had (this includes ctp2)
Seriously though underwater cities were so fucking cool, the not-skynet AI going rogue and becoming it's own civ was great.
>>341428624
I doubt any G&K civs will make it to the vanilla game this time, they're all prime chopping block -> expansion material. Ethiopia might have a good chance.
Some of the BNW civs might make it back, including Venice purely for the gameplay concept.
>>341428975
Space colonies were also great
>>341428859
But she ruled Egypt, so she should speak Egyptian.
But wait she had a Roman lover, so she should speak Latin.
>>341429024
Yeah, I can see that. Except for Venice (and Enrico especially, who has a great personality for the agenda system), Shaka also seems a good fit with what they want to do - plus, he's a staple of the series.
>>341428872
>the >Holy >Roman >Empire
le epick crash course funni maymay XD
>>341428743
Bolivar makes sense because he covers a good chunk of South America alone.
>>341428962
I like that idea, but I don't find it likely. They tend to like playing up samurai for Japan.
>>341428937
But what a pretty nose
>>341427828
>Boudicca
I fucking hope not, I'm sick of this warrior queen meme.
>>341428636
>>341428245
yeah, frederick barbarossa would be pretty rad
>>341429137
She was the result of a few centuries of greek inbreeding. Her mother was probably her aunt AND cousin
>>341428871
Alexander is already their token fag.
better fucking be Justinian for Byzantium.
Rome will be Nero.
>>341429414
>Byzantium
>coming back
let's not
>>341429503
Rome will be Aurelius. Take it to the bank.
>>341425640
Please learn history. There were many black leaders of Egypt. Cleopatra wasn't one of them.
>>341429503
That would be appropriate, franchise-wise.
>>341429414
Alexios Komnenos.
>Venetian Arsenal: +2 Great Engineer points per turn. Receive a second naval unit every time you train a naval unit. Must be built adjacent to the coast and adjacent to an industrial zone district. [920 production]
this seems ridiculously strong
>>341429609
Venice is stealth Israel
they can't just add jews as merchant overlords so they do it through venetians
>>341429582
please learn to detect memes
>>341429508
Like it or not, Byzantium was more relevant than Western Europe on the big picture for most of its existence.
>>341429508
They're basically guaranteed to be at least an expansion civ at some point, same with Celts.
>>341429503
Julius Caesar will be back for maximum drama potential.
>>341429582
Actually white people didn't exist until Yakub created Atilla the Hun as a superweapon to drive out the original black inhabitants of Europe
>>341429714
When will we get a good republican for Rome?
I just want to be able to build a canal in the industrial Era onwards if one tile separates two bodies of water.
What new features are you guys hoping for?
>>341429714
Julius Caesar and Cleopatra interacting would be kind of interesting, but in that case Augustus would be even better
>>341422565
is that seriously her model? holy fuck that looks like something from civ IV
>>341429503
Elagabalus
>>341429714
Nero has a more interesting personality though, and this seems to be taken into account more in Civ VI.
>>341429830
You won't need canals as much because you can build a harbor whereever you want, even if your city isn't coastal, at least that's what it looks like
Not the kind of waifu I wanted
>>341429840
Could be both. Downgraded leaderscreens could mean more than 1 leader per civ again. Though if they do multiple leaders again it would be nice to have somebody other than those two.
Has there been any confirmation of strategic mode returning? I really liked that shit in Civ V. It was very convenient for everything.
>>341422565
WHY DID THEY MAKE HER SO UGLY
FUG
>>341430019
still if there's a trade mechanic it could be interesting to have canals generate money depending on how many trade routes run through them in a Suez/Panama equivalent
and course if the map is right a single canal could cut off half a dozen turns of sailing to get your navy in position which again is ungodly valuable
>>341430019
>you can build a harbor whereever you want, even if your city isn't coastal
How does that even work?
>>341430356
don't worry wait for Mansa Musa/Shaka/Askia
they will be simply fab
>>341429609
Sounds interesting. It might not be that OP, given that they sacrifice a coastal farm for it.
>>341429830
canals would be neat, same with maybe tunnels going under mountains/short stretches of water for land units and I hope they bring back buildable airports
>>341430019
Ptolemy probably built a canal linking the Mediterranean to the Red Sea, senpai. Silting ruined it though.
>>341430519
>a coastal farm
what?
>>341426473
Not really, the Romans were going to annex that shit one way or the other.
>>341429024
Venice will NEVER be in Civ 6, at least nothing mechanically similar to Venic in 5. One city challenge as a civ when there are 12 districts and wonders to build all taking up a tile each isn't going to work on a forced puppet empire civ.
>>341430459
If you have water in your city grid you can build it there. Buildings are now placed on the map.
>>341430592
It has to be built on the cost, which is where you get good yields from farms. If Venice can only have one city then that's a big sacrifice to make.
>>341422565
I want to violate her tits so hard.
>>341430612
She gave them an easy casus belli though. She also had her entire dynasty killed so that she could rule.
Not sure how feasible it is, but I would,like unique a divorce for each civ.
For America: Eisenhower, Rockefeller, Kissinger, and Edison for military, economic, diplomatic, and scientific, respectively.
>>341430629
Are you saying that one city challenge is gone? Seems doubtful even if it's harder to execute.
>>341430460
I loved Askia's leader screen in Civ V. Dude looked so badass standing in front of Mordor.
>>341426768
I love this 'Hannibal was a good general' meme.
>>341425130
If you can't emrace your love, embrace my DICK
*unzip belt*
>>341430719
coasts don't give good yields from farms, freshwater (lake/rivers) do
you don't put salt water on your crops
>>341430719
have to be build on the coast or have to be build near water?
because the former would be stupid while the latter sort of okay (even then ocean shores are not necessarily the best agricultural lands available, you need fresh water)
>>341430565
Long bridges and levee/artificial islands could be nice
>>341430825
>nigga muslim
>badass
Shaka is the only melanine-enriched individual in Civ I am ready to respect
>>341430827
Right, so it's the Romans who fucked up completely multiple consecutive times rather than him being competent.
>>341422565
If they bring back leaders changing their looks depending on the era they're in I can forgive the downgraded graphics.
>>341430806
>unique advisors
What the fuck fix'd
>>341426473
This, fuck Cleopatra. Why don't they pick Ptolemy?
Will I ever be able to butcher africans with Leopold II as Belgium..
>>341430880
just having more lategame movement options and some critical infrastructure points would make things more interesting both in peace and war time
like you can't just put all your troops on the border, you have to protect that canal/tunnel/bridge from enemy sappers
>>341430959
because he was basically Greek
Cleopatra at least cosplayed Egyptian identity
>>341430937
Pretty much.
>>341430917
>no Haile
cmon
>>341431035
Somalis are white+
>>341430815
Not saying OCC is gone, no proof and doubt it would be removed. However it IS confirmed cities have the exact same work radius of 3 tiles outwards, not imagine Venice trying to build their 12 districts and any wonders in that space, even disregarding mountains/water bodies that cannot be built on by most things. Venice would be so gimped in the new 'unstacked city system', I highly doubt it'll ever be in Civ 6 in the release 18 Civs or DLC.
>>341430959
fuck Ptolemy, why didn't they pick Hatshepsut
>>341425640
Cleopatra was Greek decent if they wanted a black women to lead Egypt they would have gone with Nefertifi
>>341430959
Not Egyptian enough.
>>341430827
He was an amazing general. You can fault his strategy, but not his tactics. Trasimene and Cannae were outstanding and he won scores of victories elsewhere if you're willing to accept Livy.
>>341430917
you are not my nigga, nigga
>>341431132
Why bother arguing over Egyptian leaders? They were all just terrible to mediocre.
>>341431035
If they re-add Ethiopia, I want them to make their leader Menelik II, however implausible that may be. Menelik II was an amazing leader. Hell, iirc Ethiopia's UA in Civ V was based on shit that happened under Menelik II.
>>341425857
to be fair, Roosvelt look cartooney irl.
>going from 43 civs to just 18
I think I'll wait until the complete edition
>>341422565
>Agenda: "Queen of the Nile" - she likes powerful militaries and will try to ally with them
What a slut.
HE WAS A CONSOLE OF ROME
Have they announced the Greek leader yet? What about Germany?
I want Henry VIII or Richard Lionheart (arguably a frog though) to be king of England.
>>341431358
Alexander, not Hitler.
>>341431197
>enlighted people
>seek peaceful exchange of knowledge
>ready to defend
>standing with a sword next of burning city
So are the English Liz again?
I kind of want a Victoria British empire.
>>341431325
It's a good waifu then, but she will probably backstab you if someone with a biggerspearshows up.
>>341431358
>Greek leader
there was no united Greece until the Eternal Turk
>>341422565
>looks like a fucking goblin
Better and better...
>>341431439
Too bad, here Elizabeth, fuck you.
Or maybe Victoria.
I hope Cyrus for Persia, Augustus for Rome and Henry VIII for England.
>>341431358
Not yet. Civs and leaders apparently known so far:
>America - Teddy Roosevelt
>Egypt - Cleopatra
>China - Qin Shi Huang
>Japan - ???
>India (probably) - Gandhi
>Aztecs - Montezuma (I or II, who knows)
>>341431325
I like it how in the video you can see the pink-hair bitch being a bit disappointed when she heard that. "Wait what? She doesn't get to be a strong independent womyn who don't need no man? fucking sexists gosh"
>>341431454
I really hate hitlerfags
Hitler was a major failure in every possible way, his notable accomplishments include having his nation split in half, permanently losing some of its most ancient territories, permanently soiling the name of his people and getting a perfectly fine choice of facial hair banned forever
>>341431636
I want Julius Caesar for Rome, but I don't want them to make him look physically deformed like in Civ4. He was a fucking warrior.
>>341431504
>>341431325
When you put it like that, I'm hyped for Civ6.
Any idea who's doing the soundtrack?
Civ V's was mostly disappointing. The only one that I truly loved was this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30r_1NoKldo
>>341431317
KEKEKEKEKEKE
>>341431109
I see no reason why a city state couldn't have expanded radius (and at the time of its greatness, Venice was one of the largest cities in Europa so I don't think it would be such an outrageous feature). Alternatively, there are possible mechanics like combining military and trade districts to "merchant navy" unique district (although Venetian Arsenal seems to be a world wonder already so this particular example probably won't do)
>>341431679
also kind of surprised there's no new reveals at E3 so far, I guess Cleopatra was supposed to be one but the early previewers let it slip,
>>341431475
Islam's a religion of peace dood!
But yeah, that contrast always made me laugh. That and the fact that the background looks like Mordor to me.
>>341431439
I would totally dig either of those choices, even though Richard wasn't the greatest ruler (amazing general though). However I suspect it'll be Elizabeth again.
>>341431504
>she will probably backstab you if someone with a bigger spear shows up.
How was Egypt's relationship with sub-Saharan societies back then?
>>341431149
>Nefertifi
Don't think so mate.
If they wanted what afro-americans call "black", they would have had to go with a member of the Kushite dynasty. But a pharaoh issued from an invader dynasty doesn't really fit. Which is why I actually WOULD have prefered to have Nefertiti (who looks more or less like their cleopatra model, all things considered).
>>341431775
That song is literally just I vow to thee my country
They didn't even fucking compose anything in it
You essentially like Holst
>>341431729
>wanting Julius
>not Augustus
Sure Julius set up the potential and was a great general but it was Augustus who actually managed to create an empire strong enough it survived hundreds of years and even survive idiots like Caligula
>>341431775
>Civ V was disappointing
Get the fuck out of here you filthy fucking faggot. Dream of The Navajo was the most cash shit.
>>341431475
It's not a burning city, those are ceremonial fires.
>>341431775
But Civ V had this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8WEaGSSd58
Imagine that playing after a brutal nuclear war.
>>341431947
>>341431729
>Not Trajan
Plebs.
>>341431942
going with pre-existing regional music for a game like Civ is honestly not a bad choice
after all the individual track quality will be vastly better than making new music and there's no real need to synch up the music to the gameplay given there are no premade sequences
>>341425130
>embrace the asps
XENO SYMPATHISER!
>>341432145
>muh column
>>341428128
Is Qin going to have a huge unification boner?
>>341432147
Yeah, this.
On that topic, what existing tunes would you want them to add as Civ themes?
Fucking related for England, if they did a remix version of this it'd be the best theme by far: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhnMd1Jl7SA
>>341432221
He has a wonder boner.
>>341432178
>muh best emperor in the entire history of Rome
>>341432132
>>341431990
field of poppies was my favorite too
but I did think the soundtrack was a step backwards from civ iv. i really liked civ iv's themes, especially the theme of portugal.
and you just can't beat baba yetu man
I liked almost everything else about civ v better though.
>>341432094
yeah, it's an ancient ceremony called "pillage and burn to the ground"
so are anglocucks having Guillaume le Conquérant as their leader or what
>>341422565
>this is supposed to be the most beautiful woman in the history of the world
>>341431439
>Not Henry V
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-yZNMWFqvM
>>341431516
There were the leagues though, and Hellenistic kingdoms centralized much of it. Alexander wasn't that good for Greece, he pretty much marks the decline of the political relevance of mainland Greece in favor of Seleucids/Ptolemies. Sure he expanded the culture in an insane way for ancient times, but his conquests didn't really benefit Greece itself.
>>341430582
Which ptolemy?
>>341422565
Why exactly is Cleopatra a leader here? Didn't the Egyptian empire fall under her reign?
>>341432368
Her beauty was in that she ruled Egypt.
>>341429609
well it's only in once city, right?
>>341432475
That's not Alexander's fault, he died before he could do anything with his victory and his generals were self serving faggots.
>>341432563
>unlike Napoopan
Why does Civ always have the GOAT orchestral soundtracks?
>>341422565
>saggy tits
>manjaw, mancheeks and manbrow
>negro lips
This does not expand dong.
>>341432563
Egyptian empire fell during Augustus's reign, more importantly.
>>341431454
>Always alexander
Why not Pericles or Agamemnon.
>>341432713
Well, yeah. I suppose you've got me there.
>>341431439
Meh. I say bring on Lord Palmerston.
>>341432132
In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.
We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.
Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.
Wasn't Cleopatra at least fuckable enough to sleep around for political favors? And didn't she have fairly sharp features?
Why does she look like an old witch?
>>341431870
Non-existent in her time.
>>341432702
>Saggy tits as a bad thing
>>341432517
One of the early ones, I'm not certain. I can check the reference when I get home if you want.
>>341430284
i think they said it was in one month ago.
but i think it won't be needed since the game is so clear.
>>341432802
>Palmerston
PITT THE ELDER.
>>341432272
I actually can dig that. China has made a lot of greatly impressive architecture. At least two Chinese wonders, the Terracotta Army and Great Wall, will probably be in the game, and both are linked to Qin Shihuangdi (though most of the current Great Wall wasn't built by him). At least one other Chinese construction, the Porcelain Tower, will probably be in the game as well, though was built from a much later period. Another Chinese wonder which I would like to see, however unlikely, is the Yungang Grottoes. Essentially they are a collection of caves with incredibly large Buddhist statues throughout them. In any case, I think making China the wonder civ makes a decent amount of sense. I guess they are defining Egypt's niche elsewhere then.
>>341432806
yeah fuck the brits shame the eternal yank joined ww1
>>341430629
well if you give it the ability to build extra districts in their capital i don't see why it couldn't technically work.
>>341432638
It was his fault, he had his generals marry Persians and was pretty much in love with the idea of becoming King of Kings.
>>341432874
>Pitt the Elder
LORD PALMERSTON
Any idea who the narrator is this time?
>>341432863
>>341432517
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canal_of_the_Pharaohs
>>341432339
but really memeing aside it's not a city that's been pillaged and burnt, it's a Songhai city.
>>341433061
Unfortunately not Leonard Nimoy, I can tell you that.
>>341430459
You have a river harbor.
>woman rumored historically for her beauty
>lets add a tranny old hag prostitute that will please the fans
>no hitler
DROPPED
>>341432132
Damn that's good
What was it based on?
>>341430356
She wasn't pretty irl she was the offspring of several generations of Greek incest but when she got her makeup on she was doable
>>341422565
emperor's first concubine material right here
will gladly make her my pet state as napoleon
>>341433136
>no hitler
i swear this is the ultimate guaranteed pleb detection
>>341433061
Sean Bean
>>341432132
I've always thought it a shame that there's no real consequence in your actions in Civ. Sure, the music is sad, but shit just continues.
>>341433369
Doubt it. Their trailer voice is usually different to the game narrator.
>>341432813
Period coins show her with manly features (although, with coins being a symbol of power, it might be this way for propaganda reasons), there's no surviving sculpture definitely known to be her.
There are descriptive accounts, though, like this one from Plutarch:
>"Conversation with Cleopatra had an irresistible charm, and her presence, combined with the persuasiveness of her discourse and the character which was somehow diffused about her behaviour towards others, had something stimulating about it.... there was sweetness also in the tones of her voice; and her tongue, like an instrument of many strings, she could readily turn to whatever language she pleased.”
To my understanding the prevailing modern interpretation is that Cleopatra wasn't particularly good-looking but she had personal charm and presence. For example, in that quote Plutarch clearly isn't describing her hourglass figure and beautiful nose (and let's not forget that standards of beauty at the time weren't necessary the same ones as we tend to hold).
>>341433136
>no hitler
You realize that if they add Hitler, they can't release the game in Germany, right?
>>341433369
its gonna be pretty neat being able to kill the narrator
>>341429781
Listen to this man, he knows of the Big Head Scientist's trickery 180
>>341433264
Like it or not faggot Hitler almost conquered the entirety of Europe and if he succeeded the world. He had some devastating military defeats, but as a strategist he wasnt terrible. Also, historical accurasy
>>341433419
I'm pretty sure in one civ, either 3 or 4, continued use of nukes renders the planet uninhabitable and ends the game.
>>341433442
only successful leaders, so no hitler
>>341431132
If she was white she would made it
>>341433503
>Hitler almost conquered the entirety of Europe and if he succeeded the world
>>341432895
I never got China being warmonger in Civ 5. Of course war has been an integral part of Chinese civilization and in terms of casualties or manpower their wars rival just about anything in the world pre-19th century. But that doesn't feel like the real meta theme one thinks of for the Chinese beyond the utter meme of Sun-Tzu. Like you said building great works, or just being a sheer juggernaught of culture (look at how they were to East Asia what Persians were to the Middle-East or Romans were to Europe when it comes to being the cultural hegemon) or diplomacy with the emphasis not on direct annexation but rather making everyone around them into vassals.
So wonder-Civ makes sense to me too. A hell of a lot more than Egypt which can only claim the great Pyramids.
I would like to see "(pre)industrial civ" being a new sort of category of civ UB/UA and general theme. It could be, tied in with financial, some kind of new victory condition and allow a new avenue of specialization.
>>341433004
PITT
THE
ELDER
>>341432813
She was an inbred fuck. Ptolemies were usually fat and ugly, so she's pretty good in comparison.
>>341433061
Whoever voices this guy presumably. Too bad they muted the game in all the video.
>>341433540
>only successful leaders
>Hannibal
I wish they'd expand being able to buy shit and trade.
If I play as England I want to be able to fucking buy things from under people.
>>341422565
doesn't look bad but the strutter...
>>341433503
>and if he succeeded
he didn't
>accurasy
pfft
>>341433540
>only successful leaders
Roosevelt.
>>341433503
Can we please not talk about that? The thread is really good so far, let's not ruin it.
>>341431215
Which is why they were the most successful civilization for 4000 years, right?
>Who was Ramesses II
>>341431894
Black comes in all hues and she be black if was alive today
>>341433607
And the great lighthouse and library which were all built in Egypt.
>>341433796
You mean when they had no competition?
>>341433650
Woah, what? Where is this from?
Also this better be Alexander Siddig
>>341433607
LORD
PALMERSTON
>>341433769
>turn India into a puppet state by way of modernization and trade
>say "fuck it," leave, and watch as they somehow regress in eras
>>341433607
>A hell of a lot more than Egypt which can only claim the great Pyramids.
What? Egypt is fucking full of monuments, I don't mind China getting that perk but it made a ton of sense for Egypt too
>>341433854
Except the sea people? And a million others?
>>341433790
did roosevelt left his country in ruin with millions of his people dead and fuck everything so bad that he had to shoot himself just to avoid consequences?
>>341433973
>the sea people
don't forget the precious mole people who lived in their sewers
Hopefully Sweden will come back so I can spam caroleans again
>>341433854
>no competition
What about the Hittites?
>>341433814
>>341433967
Oh right. My bad.
>>341433967
I forgot some of the other great architecture they had, but I feel like china or Rome has an equal claim. Then again Rome naturally goes with the conqueror angle, China could go diplomacy or production while Egypt is sort of limited to just wonder building or massive fertility boost.
>>341432895
And besides those structures that are already world wonders, China had plenty of other colossal construction projects like the canal system (some of which were also built/started by Qin Shi Huang).
>>341434072
>Herd u wer rushin bombers like I wouldn't find out
Think we will get Nobunaga again for Japan? Maybe it will Hirohito this time or something.
>>341434053
>>341434076
Old Kingdom could sit pretty with everyone else in spitting distance being savage apes (Give me a sec to post 2000 BC era shitpost about the Semites found in Egypt)
New Kingdom did have threats but they weren't really existential threats until the sea people
Can we not have ugly hag Elizabeth? I want a good waifu. At least they didn't give her smallpox scars.
>>341433790
how the fuck was Roosevelt not successful?
I would have believed your post more if you had mentioned Napoleon or Hannibal or something. Even in Napoleon's case, though, you can say that he left an enduring legacy for France with the Napoleonic Code.
They're never going to add Hitler by the way. If I'm being perfectly blunt, it has nothing to do with whether or not he was successful. It has everything to do with it not being PC and bad for marketing.
You'll definitely get Hitler in mods anyways.
>>341433854
they always had competition such as hittites or kushites, but really ancient egyptian history consisted of several different dynasties. I dunno why anybody would think the civilization or its rulers were mediocre in any case.
>>341433935
It'd be fitting.
>>341433967
>dusty-main-board.jpg
>>341433790
>Roosevelt
>not a successful leader
Which Roosevelt? T.R. (Civ 6) or FDR (Civ 4)? Either way, you're wrong as fuck.
>>341422565
>Still no Spurdoland
>>341432895
Always bugged me how the Terracotta Army, Great Wall and Great Firewall were all absolute garbage in Civ 5 while a literal nothing like Petra was a game-changer.
Oh and China's bonuses being warfare. Like fucking really
>>341428937
>Banged Caesar AND Marc Anthony
>The original Femme Fatal
>Ugly
>>341433874
>Where is this from?
It's in the second vid in the OP but they've muted all the VO.
>>341434203
I'll post a few sea people pics in a min but for those unfamiliar they were a kind of late bronze age vikings of the bronze age collapse. They came and pillaged and slaughtered from Cyprus and Hattusa (though I think after various hillfolk of Anatolia sacked Hattusa) down to Egypt.
It is commonly believed they came from the Aegean islands, Western Anatolia, and possibly as far west as Sicily, South Italy and sardinia.
>>341432368
About that she wasn't very pretty irl
>>341424335
Because she was greek and because most of egypt was hellenized by the time she came to power you fucking imbecile? She literally made sculptors make her nose bigger in statues to remind people of her direct line of descent to Ptolemy.
>>341428743
>>341429197
get out chávez
>>341434315
>Terracotta Army
>bad
are you perhaps high
>>341434429
im sure you were there and turned her down. Surely she was an ugly pig thats why she was unable to seduce Roman generals . ohh wait....
Them saggy tits uffffff
But Isabella still my pure waifu forever.
>>341433081
Wow that's super early in their line
>>341434203
Hittites weren't a threat in the sense that they never made it past the Levant, but they were on par with Egypt.
>>341434357
Power was more appealing to Romans than physical beauty.
>Zanzibar, Hattusa, Jerusalem and La Venta are city states
No Swahili, Hittites, Israel or Olmecs confirmed.
>>341434380
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Peoples
They didn't sack Egypt but they gave them a hard fight, the second battle Egypt had some Sherden/Shardana sea people bodyguard warriors (think Varangians 2,300 years prior). They are the guys with horns.
>>341434380
>and the bearded
wat
>>341427096
> less moves is better
it's already looking like shit
they still dont allow stacking even as an option?
>>341428419
They could give Fernando a chance sometime
>>341431475
ignore it and ask him to share his knowledge
>>341434680
>implying you ever do anything other than moving diagonal with squares
double the movement
>>341433935
I think that would be a neat feature.
I want to be able to colonise other civs against their will
>trade establishes roads
wew so I can play libertarian
>>341434680
no.
good.
fuck stacking.
The new Clash of Clans is looking great.
Memeing aside, what bonus would you give Hitler in a Civ game? Something about Production and War ?
>>341433607
I agree with you mostly, though Egypt has other memorable shit like the Sphinx. I think in Civ V they were pretty much outright memeing China with Sun Tzu. IIRC the name of their UA was literally "The Art of War." I like the wonder building emphasis better as well. I think Asia has plenty of more clearly militaristic civs anyways in the form of factions such as the Mongols and Japanese. I like China being the culture powerhouse among the Asian civs since that's historically more logical.
>>341433967
>firstlevelofserioussam.jpg
>>341434538
Too bad Isabella is too tsundere.
>>341434380
They're an interesting bunch, I also like their Civ V mod. They may be given more credit than it's due though, it's hard to believe they're the sole reason for the Bronze Age collapse.
>>341434858
>can't trade with people you are at war
>can't build roads to the frontline
>No worker
>Copying EL's city management system.
Fuck CiVfags for ruining the series.
>>341434889
Something with propaganda/demagogy probably, like a huge boost to happiness after conquering a city, and no penalty for losing it
>>341435019
You can get military engineers to build roads later.
>>341433181
"in flanders fields" a song based on a poem about ww1
one of the best version of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiQLGUOZMxM
>>341435019
you can build roads after you research military tech
>>341435040
>civ V had workers
>civ VI doesn't
>ITS DEM CIV V FANS FAULT I TELLS YA
guess that means everything wrong with V was civ 4 fans' fault?
>>341434807
im not sure what youre trying to say other than supporting what i was trying to say aboot squares
more moves is better
>>341434883
cool
i aint getting this one either
it's funny how im still sorta interested in it's development
>>341435040
but it has workers
also civ v had workers
are you crazy
>>341435083
>>341435091
That "later" better be BC.
>>341435089
Ah, I knew the poem but didn't know people had put it to music.
>>341434686
There's Carlos and Felipe too.
>cites take up a lot of space on the map
>units don't have more moves however so maps are probably about the same size
is wide gameplay fucked
>>341434680
>they still dont allow stacking even as an option?
sort of, you can combine units to make new units to a certain extend
it's not endless though
>>341435148
>Implying CiV isn't the start of the casualization
If you casual didn't latch on the series we won't have this or Rev shit.
Fucking casual appropriating my series.
>>341435221
Usable worker crap.
>>341434536
I didn't say she was ugly but she was doable and she had charisma
>>341424835
>Australia
>>341435221
and civ 6 has builders instead which is not that different
>>341435171
I'm saying that going diagonal moves you two spaces instead of one therefor its stupid to do anything other than move diagonal, therefor you only have 4 valid movement options rather than the 6 hexes offer
>>341435308
>no happiness system
nope
>>341433804
Maybe in the US, or other anglo countries (which are actually very racialist), but in continental Europe "black" usually refers to subsaharan negroid. Egyptians were the link between that world and the semitic/caucasian world, but their pharaos (including nefertiti) would certainly not qualify as black, just like Berbers, Mizrahi, and Arabs don't qualify as black. The Copts being the closest you'll get to Lower Kingdom egyptians.
>>341435408
>Australia will never get added
>Abos will
>>341435369
>Implying 4 wasn't the start of casualization
if 4 fans didn't demand it to be more casual we wouldn't have had civ V
>>341435452
there is, except it works in a different way and isn't global
>>341435369
>Civ
>as a series
>not casual as fuck
>>341434315
I felt like Great Wall was the single most poorly designed wonder in the game. It was really not fun to play against while simultaneously often not feeling worthwhile to build. The way it became obsolete made no sense, and the way it functioned made no sense either.
I'm hoping if they re-add it, they possibly increase its cultural benefit substantially (maybe making it grant even larger bonuses once tourism becomes a thing) and tone down the defensive strength. Since they are making a big deal about encampments, they could also make it some kind of deploy point for armies. That would be historically accurate since iirc it was often used as a sort of garrison. It definitely wasn't much of a deterrent to invaders given China's history.
In terms of the actual defensive bonuses, aside from it being a deploy point they could possibly make it so that it makes movement more difficult crossing over the wall, but only for cities that are within it. If you build a city outside of the wall, the mere existence of the wonder should not impede movement imo.
>>341422926
>Venetian Arsenal of Venice
>>341431894
>But a pharaoh issued from an invader dynasty doesn't really fit.
Like the Ptolemaic dynasty..?
Why can't we ever get Sassanid Persia? They're the only empire to capture a Roman Emperor. Can we end the Achaemenid masturbation?
>>341433804
>Black comes in all hues
Nope, actual Blacks are dark as charcoal
Light skin Blacks are just half White, everywhere but the US & Europe considers them Mixed/Colored or even White
>>341435528
(laugh)
>>341435604
It become more casualize than ever since V though.
Just like how most Paradox shit become casualized after EU3/CK2.
>>341435442
oh you mean like an L shape
no in civ 4 you can move diagonal and NOT in an L shape
in other words 8 move instead of 6
plus stacking :)
>>341435661
>Venetian Great Merchant of Venice
>>341428859
Cleopatra did learn to speak Egyptian and represented herself as the reincarnation of an Egyptian goddess
>>341435745
No, it hasn't. Just because they're newer games and you don't like them doesn't mean they're suddenly more casual. The games are based on a fucking boardgame.
>>341424835
>Polish eagle is not white
>Russian eagle is not golden
>German emblem is the meme cross and not a black eagle
>Austria doesn't have the Habsburg colors
Civilization V triggers me on so many levels.
>No Canada
>No Straya
>No NZ
>No South Africa
Why do all anglo colonies get screwed?
>>341435775
you still don't understand do you
alright lets bring it down to your level
If urgh move diagonal urgh move two (1+1) times fast as if urgh move non diagonal
therefor urgh move diagonal
>>341435265
I'm getting the feeling that one of Rome's uniques will give them a way to manually build roads much earlier than everyone else.
>>341435909
They really should have swapped the Austrian and Polish colours around in BNW
>>341435918
because they have no culture
>>341435918
because they are sufficiently represented by England and America
>>341435918
>colonies
There's your problem.
>>341435705
Exactly, I thought the end sentence was clear enough. I would have prefered Nefertiti over Cleopatra.
>>341435948
Legions in Civ V can build roads and forts, which is great.
>>341435918
Their ruler is in the game already, the queen.
>>341436120
>USA
>>341436163
Hatshepsut is way better than either of them
>>341436183
>Legions in Civ V can build roads and forts, which is great.
always fun to have an enemy thinking he's safe because of a million rivers and forests
then just send your legion over and forcefully introduce him to the concept of infrastructure
>>341427405
17 P R I V A T E E R S
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bP5SmXIIwIA
>>341435938
i think i remember you
your level is ascended way above what anyone but you could ever hope to understand
the image illustrates how movement was handled in civ 4 vs how it is now (8 directions vs 6 directions)
if you still think your understanding of the movement in civ 4 has any bearing on reality you may need to get your head checked but know you you wont bother
>>341436354
Asterix has the 100% correct depictions of Caesar and Cleopatra
>>341422565
Man those are some saggy ass tits.
>>341426431
one of the greatest mysteries of our time
>>341435906
You are literally wrong shill.
>>341436428
not that anon, but he means that because diagonally you move further than horizontally or vertically, you have to have different movement rules in place, because otherwise it doesn't make sense
hexes have the big advantage of actually becoming a sphere, too
>>341435476
You don't know what you're talking about she's black. She is black by today's standards but in her time she's just Egyptian. To say hurr derp she's Caucasian is ridiculous. If she was alive today there would be no way you call white
>>341436843
>(you)
>>341436843
>Greeks today are in no way white
>>341422565
What the hell is this?
Her head is huge compared to the rest of her body and she's ugly as fuck
>>341436412
How was an AC game in recent memory so good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QNlelx3kKE
I'm not even a piratefag but game like that comes along and I want MORE.
>>341429609
English Navy BTFO
>>341436743
>hexes have the big advantage of actually becoming a sphere, too
Which funny enough, Civ5 dropped the whole planet view civ4 had
>>341436643
From Civ 1 dev notes:
>Meier omitted multiplayer alliances because the computer used them too effectively
> The early versions of the game even included a flier of information and ordering materials for the board game.
>He reduced the size of the game world to avoid repetitive gameplay, but also reduced automated city management to keep players busy.
>Meier chose to, for example, not simulate a fall of civilization despite its historical accuracy because he did not want the game to regularly destroy the player's country.
it's casual, get over it
nothing wrong with making a fun boardgame for a wide audience
>>341437090
there's no real excuse for not having that in civ 5, but civ 4's really was nothing more than a cilinder with an ice-capped top
it never was actually a planet
>>341435727
>light skinned black are just half white
I'm just going to ignore you
>>341436843
If anything she looks more mediterranean or Arabic than black. Go tell a Berber or a Lybian they are "Black", we'll see how long you last.
>>341435727
>Light skin Blacks are just half White
are you ignoring that there's a fuckton of hues in subsaharan africa alone? people from senegal aren't as dark as people from congo
>>341436743
you sure about that? if you move from the center of one square to the center of another square whether it be diagonal or up/down it's the same distance
it works for checkers dont it?
seriously is that why firaxis abandoned squares with 8 movement options because i was under the impression it was for the purpose of tighter gameplay (maybe specifically under multiplayer circumstances)
>>341436843
Why are Americans always trying to force their retarded definitions of race on history?
>>341437258
>it never was actually a planet
Civ games avoid having the poles so is pretty much impossible
It was kinda nice though, wish it come back
>>341437258
With the whole exploration theme and drawn on paper map thing they've got going on I think they could do flat world map of the entire world when you zoom out far enough. That would be pretty cool actually. Sharing your map on online at the end of the game and stuff like that.
>>341437362
>are you ignoring that there's a fuckton of hues in subsaharan africa alone?
They're fucking everywhere
>>341437423
>you sure about that? if you move from the center of one square to the center of another square whether it be diagonal or up/down it's the same distance
are you stupid? if squares are a distance of 1 from each other, horizontal and vertical movement is 1, and diagonal movement is 1^2 + 1^2 = 2, so square root 2, 1.41
have you finished the first grade yet?
>>341437258
you sure aboot that?
>>341437547
civ 4 doesnt do the L shaped movement for squares
shall i make a weebum for you?
>>341437710
remember that he's the guy arguing that somehow grids make things more casual and simplified
>>341437743
capping a cilinder with inaccessible poles on top doesn't make a planet bruv, it's even slightly egg-shaped to allow that shit
>>341437743
So is that just trickery? Do they just randomize how tiles next to the coast look?
>discussion on whether squares are better than hexagons
>discussion on race
RIP thread.
>>341437743
...how are you still not getting that moving diagonal moves you faster than moving in straight lines?
I literally drew you a picture
>>341437710
ok i got the math wrong
what's wrong with checkers though there's diagonal movement across a board of squares
Mommy daddy stop fighting
>>341437952
it's also the only way to move, you can't move horizontally or vertically in checkers
i'm not sure what your point is
>England will never be Oliver Cromwell
>You will never outlaw fun and ruin Ireland for hundreds of years to come
Why is it always a Tudor?
>>341425953
He's been defeated in battle and lost everything. I'd be pretty pissed off too.
>>341438052
the point is that if diagonal moves works in a game of checkers with similar board movement why is it so hard for you to accept diagonal movement in a game like civ?
like do you seriously believe anyone gives a fuck about DOUBLE THE MOVEMENT
your unit only has a limited amount of moves anyway
>>341435408
John curtin
Diplomatic neutrality
>>341437350
>Lybian
Like they weren't part of pan-africa movement
>>341438284
and by limited i mean i can only move 3 spaces unless it's augemented with roads or railroads
>>341438284
which is exactly why its bad
it ensures that if you're doing anything other than moving diagonal you're wasting your time
Hexes allow everything to be at the same distance which vastly increases the number of tactical options
>>341438172
It's always Elizabeth or Victoria. England can't even bring in good waifus.
>>341438284
The point is that unless you limit diagonal movement diagonal movement is always better than straight
>>341436428
Diagonal distance between squares is much higher than horizontal or vertical distance (~1.41 times higher) while hexes provide a much more natural movement (and visuals, no sharp 90 degree turns on rivers and such like). Civ IV didn't do it but there's a reason very many systems using square grid don't have diagonal movement and pretty much all wargames for example are hex-based.
Anyway, let's suppose you have octo-directional grid movement. Yes, there's two more possible squares you can move to compared to hexes, but what does that really accomplish? Humans don't play Civ by doing a tree search of all possible moves so I can't see how it influences decision-making. And when thinking of movement over longer distances, when applicable, it's nonsense not to use diagonal movement option because it's twice as fast and as such the increased number of movement directions doesn't matter.
>>341438350
What has that got to do with the price of eggs?
>>341438350
Gadaffi would have made Libyans out to be ancient Atlanteans from Asia if it suited his interests. His people didn't really agree, and there's a longstanding tradition of Maghrebi rulers using black slave warriors. Usually to the chagrin of their non black soldiers and citizens. Give me a min and I'll get you a quote on it
https://humanrightsinvestigations.org/2011/07/07/libya-ethnic-cleansing/
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/gaddafi-planned-to-flood-europe-with-migrants-as-final-revenge-2354322.html
>>341438172
>You will never be the kingdom of Texas
>>341436201
The USA is this era's great state and the largest colony by a massive margin.
>Still no ancient hebrews
>You'll never chop dicks as Maccabis while talking shit to everyone during ancient times and bitching about unit pathfinding in desert regions
>You'll never turn countries one against the other while talking shit to everyone during end game and securing your economic-cultural hybrid victory
This thread is almost over but before we get into autistic bickering let's get this over with.
What he's getting at is whether you move diagonally or linearly doesn't matter as you are moving THE SAME NUMBER OF TILES. You are not moving 1 compared to 1.4, you are moving TWO TILES in both cases as far as game is concerned.
And I actually prefer hexes by the way. Hexes simply look prettier. They create more natural looking landscapes and I find unit's movements more easier to visualize in the head, as units can only move through where lines meet instead of lines and points. Direction of movements also mattered less in Civ 4 because most units could only move one tile at a time anyway.
>>341425640
when will this meme end?
>>341438485
>>341438570
>>341438612
are you guys the devs?
>>341438172
Ireland isn't a civ anyway (the Celts don't count because of their britto-gaulish focus)
>>341439180
as you can see in that picture the diagonal one moved the same horizontal distance as the straight one and in addition to that has moved two vertical tiles
>>341439329
>understanding Pythagoras' Theorem means you must be a shill
>>341438753
Situation of Blacks in North Africa is a complicated affair like it tends to be in ostensibly racially defined or 'racist' places (look at black and indian slaveowners of slaves, the intermixing of black and white enough to create an entire coloured population in South Africa, the whole intermingling in the states with black ass motherfuckers having plantation owner parents). In Morocco late 19th century for instance they were found at the very highest and very lowest positions of society - by virtue of black harem concubines securing offices for their sons they could be courtier officials or even viziers but were also so despised and loathed that while Berbers refused to serve with Arabs in French officered regiments and arabs refused to serve with berbers in French officered regiments both refused the notion of serving with blacks.
Wish I could find the case where the Armenian and slave-Turk regiments of Fatimid egypt threw a temper tantrum and mutinied because the Fatimid Caliph was going to let the blacks garrison with them or give the blacks some kind of nice title.
>>341439420
that would be the point of diagonal movement
>>341439420
No. You moved two tiles as you literally went through two tiles. You are not moving two tiles horizontally and then two tiles vertically. That would be going around and not taking the quickest route which you can also do in Civ 5.
>>341439559
Black were very powerful. This is the depoction a Portuguese man with his two white slaves.
>>341439474
i was just wondering why you guys were so hard pressed to put down 8 movement options
it's like a double edged sword if anything
you can use it and the AI can use it too but it doesnt mean you cant block movement
>>341439474
knowledge is just another weapon of mass control, family.
>>341439661
and that's my point: its bad because diagonal movement on a grid allows you to bypass tiles WITHOUT losing movement speed which in turn drastically limits the tactical options on either side
in pic related the square based grid as show allows you to bypass the red square without any movement penalties as the green and the black line both take two movements to reach the endpoint
however in a hex based grid bypassing the red grid requires 3 movement as opposed to the two movement and thus carries an inherent penalty
now I hope you do understand that in any tactical game giving a player the option to bypass something at no penalty is a BAD THING
Fuck hexagons and squares
Triangles all the way
>>341439973
see
>>341440396
square grids allow you to bypass without movement penalty
>Tile improvements are built instantly now.
Thank fuck, the beginning of the game always felt slow as shit.
>>341440396
>>341440586
Oh, sure. Squares don't really allow you to block off enemy movements. That I agree with. But your claim about moving diagonally in squares somehow makes you faster compared to moving linearly is just not true.
>>341440396
Civ V also has zone of control as far as I know.
>>341440396
well if the biggest concern everyone here has about 8 movement options is because it allows a unit to bypass obstacles then i have to say i disagree
on one hand hexes seem to basically force "difficult" decisions to be made due to less options available
however, 8 movement options on the other hand puts the onus on the player who moved first to create a proper block before ending their turn based on the available knowledge of their enemy's unit placement
so it's different kinds of difficulties depending on available movement options
so if youre saying less options are bad tactics you may need to reassess you understanding of tactics
>Not having a 3D rhombic dodecahedron map
>>341440893
it allows you to cover more ground in less time
say you have vision to all adjacent tiles then you get this effect
black tiles are tiles your unit passes through, green tiles are tiles your unit has vision of, both take the same amount of time to travel through
fuck it looks so good, the artstyle has really grown on me, and i like the idea if actually having to use tiles as part of city building now - tile development and city buildings had become very stale and too easy to spam everything you want in every city. if i have one hope its for a deeper research system with more civ-specific things and maybe some randomness or exclusive choices. again a problem with civ is once you kinda math out the best shit playing becomes quite cookie-cutter.
if theres one thing i can have, please just let me be hype for civ, video games.
>>341422565
>amurigun ww2 era tanks
UGH
>>341441370
dont forget if there are enemies on those black tiles you can move around them, which is an option
how would it look in civ 5/6? i cant visualize it
>>341440916
ZOC doesn't factor in, all you need to do to bypass ZOC with a square based grid is start the diagonal movement one tile earlier and you can still bypass it with no loss in efficiency
that's why you can't really do ZOC on a square based grid while on a hex based grid ZOC further increases the penalty for bypassing a unit as each tile you need to move further away from something is an extra movement used
its also why square based grids can't allow to many movements per turn, the more movements you have the bigger the bypass issue gets while on a hex based grid you can do a small hexes, large movement option gameplay and still have it be completely fair
>>341441370
It doesn't make you "cover more ground" as in both cases you move the same distance, the same number of tiles (the only thing the game is concerned about) but I agree that rules regarding squares are not the most intuitive.
>>341432368
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>>341430356
>>341436932
Do you guys understand how inbred she was?
It's a miracle she didn't end up like pic related
>>341422565
>Teddy Roosevelt
>mfw
>>341441821
already explained bypassing here
>>341440396
and as for how it would look: it gives two very distinct options, option 1 is faster while option 2 allows for more information which is a tactical choice to make
>>341441961
as you can clearly see option two in that case has 1.5 times as much visual coverage as option one for no additional cost
>/v/ - Autism
>>341442553
presenting arguments for your case is not autism, its common sense
>>341442357
I get that makes option 1 superior to option 2 but you are still not moving any faster by moving diagonally which was my original point.
>>341442357
ah i see it
under the circumstances of exploration, there is a definite advantage to moving diagonally toward a spot on the x axis of hte map
but under the circumstances of combat how would squares be unfair, given what you've established?
>>341442780
Arguing about maths or whatever fuck you fags are talking about on a video game board is autistic.
>>341443081
this way
>>341440396
it gives a distinct advantage to the offensive side in that defensive structures can be made entirely obsolete
in a hex based grid avoiding a fortified location requires you to invest additional movement which is balanced and gives an additional tactical option: do I avoid an area and go slower to go faster but risk increased damage as opposed to the square grid where it is "avoid fortification, no questions asked"
>>341443171
this is a civ thread.
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