I just realized I helped kill competitive skill-based FPS.
Feels bad man.
Are you referring to TF2?
>>341405825
No, I'm referring to the newly released MOBA/FPS Overwatch
>>341406415
Oh. Overwatch is doing fine, anon, don't be so hard on yourself.
>>341406468
In what sense? The game is clearly aimed for casuals, and relies on abilities that compliment players to depend on them rathre than using skill.
>game has a few heros with low skill cap / no mechanical aiming skill required
>it's instantly labled casual
stop retards
>>341407315
Tell me a character in this game that requires skill.
>>341407432
Genji?
>>341407008
What does 'compliment players to depend on them' mean
>>341407516
If for example a character were in a bad situation, they simply press a button to get to a better advantage for them. Instead of using skill to ensure the chances of being a situation decrease, they only need to rely on abilities to stay alive.
>>341407513
That character I will give credit to. He's incredibly good with the right character and requires skill to get kill streaks with. Special Ability is still retarded though, as is every other characters.
>>341407824
If you don't know how to use many of those abilities though, you'll flub
Seen plenty of people pop ultimates on the fly and get nothing for it
And skilled players are rewarded more because they'll charge their ults up quicker
>>341408927
>le ults are guaranteed kills and have no counterplay meme
>>341405587
Don't worry, quake will save us.
>>341409289
There's no skill in waiting for the right opportunity to press a button
>>341409523
I highly doubt that. I believe they're going the way of Overwatch with set classes. I don't have high hopes for the latest Quake to involve pure skill.
>/v/ is still butthurt that they were completely wrong about Overwatch and that it has 10 million players
LMAO
>>341407008
Play Genji or Tracer have to have perfect time for Q to be useful also using reflect/rewind
OR I CAN JUST PLAY REAPER/76/MCREE FOR THOSE SWEET INSTANT KILLS WITHOUT PLACEMENT
ITS HIGH NOON MOTHER FUCKERS ITS HIGH FUCKING NOON
>>341409895
If its not pure skill game, all the fans, all the people playing quake at this very moment will get so buttmad that they'll rip the game studio apart with bare hands. So there's that.
>>341409809
Good judgement is part of being a good player.
And loads of them require good team mates around to make the most of them
>>341410059
High noon?
-Loudly declared
-Leaves the Mcree very vulnerable
-Easy to wiggle about and cancel the crosshair
-Shields, invulns etc. all mitigate it if not stop it entirely
And if he's a crap player who can't aim, he'll spend the rest of the time failing to hit anything other than the occasional enemy who gets close enough to stun (before being hit by a nerfed Fan)
>>341409809
in quake you just wait for the right time to click (press a button)
WOW
>>341410676
have you even played quake?
>skill
I love this buzzword.
>>341410859
He's not wrong you know. All you do in Quake is wait for the right moment to press buttons, that takes no skill at all to do. Why do people praise Quake as a high skill FPS again? Man, the 80s were a weird time for gamers.
>>341410956
You think its a buzzword 'cause its not involved in your precious waifuwatch
I think we can all agree ultimates are a mechanic that stems from the hearthstone "everyone can win appeal to casuals" mentality regardless of how relevant they are to gameplay
>playing reaper
https://instaud.io/qP8
>>341411016
That might be one of the play styles, but i used to shoot til i hit and got the kill. Worked out pretty well for me.
>make billions in profit
>your matchmaking is still diarrhea
Sasuga Blizzard.
>>341411021
Overwatch, like every FPS is dogshit.
Let me say it again because you didn't seem to understand it the first time.
>skill
I love this buzzword.
>>341410059
Those are kinda debatable
>High Noon can be stopped with shields or hiding behind an object
>Death Blossom same thing with the added limitation of having to be within shotgun range of the reaper to actually get significantly hurt
I'll concede Tac Visor in that you don't need the greatest positioning/aim to net kills with it and doesn't leave 76 as vulnerable but its not as instant kill as the other two
That said they do match the kits of their heroes(flanking based for the first two, upfront assault with the team for 76) so the tradeoffs are understandable
>>341407008
>I just realized I helped kill competitive skill-based FPS.
They have been dead for a while now.
>>341411272
You seem to care about the genre enough to post in this thread, anon.
>>341411371
They never existed.
I sometimes wonder if people who complain about 'lol press q to win' are low mmr shitters
>>341411064
I think they actually have the reverse effect more often than not. Aside from Zarya/Supports, most ults are wasted or interrupted.
>>341405587
>knowing how to push defended objectives
>knowing how to counter certain heroes and setups
>knowing how to use your hero and the map to its fullest
>knowing how to hold the defense
>knowing how to counter enemy ults
Twitch-aim is only a part of the skill-set required for the game. Some heroes require a strategic approach or have specialized niches where they are useful, then get swapped out as the game evolves.
If you want a game that only requires twitch-aim, there's plenty of those available.
>>341411256
This. Fucking this.
>Hey, you seem to be a good player and are winning lots of matches!
>You know what, since you're such a good player we'll put you with the shittest pub players around so you'll have to carry your whole team or lose ;)
>What, you don't like that and are quitting matches? Here's a 75% experience penalty, you'll play the matches we put you in motherfucker!
Pure cancer.
>>341411016
Because unlike all the big "realistic" FPS titles most guns in quake don't have a stupid RNG recoil system, the bullets go exactly were you put them so if you miss its your fault.
>>341405587
it was dead way before overwatch was a thing
18+
>>341411064
Only at shitter-levels of MMR can ults be considered "free kills". It's so absurdly easy to shut down or completely negate many ultimates that most of the time they're only used strategically (D.Va or Hanzo using theirs to zone people off objectives, Reinhardt to counter pushes etc.).
Wiping out the opposing team requires them to be either brain-dead morons, already losing or completely distracted (in which case you fulfilled the purpose of the ult).
>>341411646
>Bitching about matchmaking
>Ranked isn't even out
Pure retard.
>>341411646
Best counter is to just try and flush yourself of caring about winning. It's only 500 XP after all.
But even sometimes when you're up against an impassable choke point, you cant kill any of them and its like bashing your head on a brick wall, that's where it stops being fun
Remove all Ultimates from this game.
>>341411893
I'm going to flush your mom
>>341411876
>he thinks ranked will be any different
Stop gobbling that blizzcock.
>>341411110
>>341411926
That would tip the balance absurdly far to the defenders' side. Learn to play if you can't handle ultimate-combos or pray the MM puts you with shitters of your level.
Noskill spamfest where everbody is MLG superstar.......
>>341411954
Well yea, manly because the fucking MMR system isn't in the fucking game yet.
Currently they just fill groups as quick as possible.
>>341412132
yeah nobody on attack ever wins in TF2 because there's no ultimates
>>341412141
t. lvl5 Genji "main" who got killed by DIE DIE DIE after ignoring the absence of the enemy Reaper and the heavy foot-steps on the ledge above him
>>341411893
It's just frustrating when I've just played a heated and well fought match with great players on my team, and then the next match my whole team are shitters who don't understand that YOU HAVE TO SIT ON THE FUCKING POINT IF YOU WANT TO MOVE THE OBJECTIVE FORWARD.
This matchmaking is literally to appease casuals so they can win 50% of the time, and it's annoying that decent players are (for now) forced into a 50% winrate due to the way blizzard has set their shit up.
"Competitive skill based fps" hasn't been alive for more than a decade now. Almost 2 decades honestly.
>>341412208
MMR system IS in the game, that's how the system matches you in "Quick Game". The only thing they'll add are divisions (eg. challenger, veteran, master) which you'll be able to advance through.
>>341412216
Different class abilities, damage model, map design etc. etc.
It's been too long since I played TF2, but anyone who's played Overwatch can see that Ultimates are necessary tools to escalate gameplay.
>>341412216
Overwatch isn't TF2
>>341410059
>tacer
>skill
pick one
>>341405587
game sense is skill anon
if you wanted a shitty fps where all that matters is aim i recommend cs:go
>>341411748
Yup! CS:GO can't even hold a candle to the skill required to do good in Quake.
By the way, have any of you guys heard of DOOM? I just bought 12 copies!
>inb4 shitters trying to defend their RNG simulator
>>341411016
Because OW, COD, BF and Halo (the more recent ones) to a very wide degree are all twitch shooters, that is to say, that the person that shoots the most accurately and typically, first, will win. Quake was not a twitch shooter in really any sense of the definition. Shooting first is seldom advantageous and at high end competitive play not necessary at all to be very skilled. Quake, UT, and, historically to a large degree, TF2, are *movement* based FPS, where the person who knows the maps, knows the movement and physic system will always outlast a better aiming opponent. Its really just a difference in the dynamic of the game. In Quake you see more verticality in maps and far greater movement (players seldom are on the same side they started on for very long) and camping a corner, while doable, is not recommended (as it will put you out of position to rush a med pack potentionally, and, at higher play, memorization of spawn times is a vital skill), and planing out movements and jumps is far more successful skill set than reaction time. COD and OW and such reward fast reflexes more than anything, with an unplanned encounter still easy to win if one simply shoots first.
>>341411169
Ah yes, the spray and pray approach.
Truly a high ceiling skill.
>>341412542
You've never gone up against a skilled Tracer, I assume.
>tfw most of the whining and complaints on /v/ reveal that those people play at shitty, low-MMR levels
>>341411926
No ultimates, Lijiang Tower, genji only.
>>341406415
>moba
No minions, no moba. :3
>>341412601
fuck you Todd I pirated Fallout 4
>>341405587
>I helped kill
>I
Nah, you aren't important, fagnon. :3
>>341405587
The vast majority of people do not have skill.
>>341412628
Only 6 out of 21 heroes in Overwatch have hit-scan weapons and 3 of those are useless beyond close/medium range.
>OW and such reward fast reflexes more than anything, with an unplanned encounter still easy to win if one simply shoots first.
You... have never played a single second of the game, have you?
Ow is just overhyped fanboy/girl psuh button everbody dies scrubgame
>>341412805
DELETE THIS
It's such an easy game that my 12 year old sister is beating people online. Once you've played a character for five hours, you've mastered their mechanics.
>>341405587
>overshit
>competitive skill-based FPS
>>341412628
Not every weapon requires range to still be a twitch. Perfect example is Chivalry: Medieval Warfare, which only has a few projectile weapons at all. Yet it is most definitely a twitch combat game in the sense that movement skill plays little effect in the outcome of an encounter, its who knows when to swing at the right movement that wins (read: accurate 'fire'). Put another way: in OW, how long could you expect to last as an expert in movement against most hero's without ever shooting them? That is to say time out how long you can stand, run, juke, and bounce around in front of an enemy player w/o trying to shoot/hit them back? In a movement based combat game it should be infinite. The better mover will always outlast aim. In a twitch, sheer luck will land enough dmging hits to end this. And thats the primary difference. I put no judgement on either, both have their place, both have their skilsets. The problem only arises when you try to combine the two. Lately TF2 has fallen into this problem and so has OW.
>>341413743
meant for
>>341413016
>>341405587
Reminder that a "competitive" game is any game people want to win at.
Reminder to hit wikipedia to learn what skill means.
>waa waa why people don't play skill-based games like i do, like quake and shit
Ok, make a thread about it, talk about it since there's so many skilled players here
>actually i don't play it, i play overwatch
Everytiem
>>341409289
Pressing a button and receiving a kill is not skillful and engaging gameplay. It is basically pulling on a slot machine lever and getting a result. It's not fun to play and it's not fun to play against.
>>341412446
ulrimates are the critical hits of Overwatch; they take no skill to use and the receiving end always dies instantly and are generally considered to be bullshit bogging down an otherwise fun game.
>>341411646
This dumb meme needs to die. Here's the actual explanation you mathematically illiterate moron: because you win a lot, your elo rating rises, and you get paired with and against better players, so winning will naturally not be as easy as before when you were paired with scrubs and played against scrubs. Your problem is that you're incredibly self-unaware. This holds in every game that uses the same math, from chess to Overwatch because that's the purpose of the system: to find your skill ceiling.I'm not even playing Overwatch. I'm just sick of this stupid whining from retards who don't understand how matchmaking is designed to work
>>341414790
Agreed. This is why weapons shouldn't be allowed in shooters at all
Someone killing you just because they clicked the mouse is not entertaining. This crap needs to end.
>>341414107
This.
>implying chess is any less competitive because it doesn't require twitch aiming skill
>>341412353
No, they're probably just as good as you. The problem is, so are the players on the enemy team. You're not the best player in the world, you better get used to it. If you want to win more again, you need to get better at the game.
