>The railgun has aimbot
Excuse me, Tripwire?
>>341381486
For half the damage
Also
>Complaining about a railgun when theres bigger problems with kf2 right now
>>341381820
I haven't been really following all the jazz about KF2, what are the problems with it this time?
>implying aimbot railgun is bad when resistances fucks over the entire balence.
>>341381980
Every zed has double the armor
A 9mm takes 10-15 headshots to kill a bloat
I realize now its been a slow trickle of shit because they've been too busy making a stupid VR KF.
firebug is horrible at killing trash now
zerker, too
the only zed vulnerable to slash damage is the stalker
>>341381980
They made every zed resistant to some type of damage so you get shit like firebugs not being able to kill crawlers on HoE with a full mag of the caulk & burn
>>341382384
>>341382905
So, the only viable classes are Commando, Sharp, Support and Medic?
>>341383060
i forgot that they nerfed demo too
unless they did something else while i wasn't looking then yes
>>341383060
gunslinger with magnums, or that railgun that you're bitching about
>>341382665
>Firebug
>Can't kill trash
What in the absolute fuck that's it's only job and the only thing it's decent at now that "buying flare pistols for eveyone" isn't a role anymore.
>>341383246
Its pretty amazing, firebug is supposed to go after crawlers, but they can tank any fire damage
>>341382905
>firebugs suck at killing crawlers now
TRIPWIIIIIIIIIIIIRRREEE
>>341383246
right?? i think their new purpose is just to microwave the big zeds
TW is definitely focusing on versus mode and their console ports
>Demo perks force you to either reduce your max ammo count or reduce your damage at level 10
Bravo Tripwire! I can't wait to pick up Killing Floor Incursion to play on my Oculus later this Summer!
>>341383474
You're shitting me.
>>341381486
>we still need to release 4 classes and 6 more maps
>game still needs to be optimized and debugged
>but lets fuck with damage settings and resistances
Why the fuck would they think this was a good idea? All you had to do was follow down the path your on, and release the fucking game. You dont need to change anything, just add stuff and call it a day. It seriously shouldn't take 3 years to get out of beta, but who am I right?
>>341382604
The VR game looks like something they threw together in five minutes. Same as that VR Serious Sam game.
>>341383740
>Why the fuck would they think this was a good idea?
Tripwire forums are chockfull of "6 man HoE only" people who are extremely vocal when it comes to the game balance. They were propably crying how the game is "Too easy"
>>341383740
>>still need to release 4 classes and 6 maps
>>fuck it, let's add versus mode straight from left 4 dead and gun skins too
>>341381980
Oh man. Where do we start? Game mechanic changes:
>sprinting in any direction negates switching to a smaller weapon to run faster and forgoes the fight-flight mechanic from KF1
>L4D style shoving, except the shove takes a full second to execute fully
>PRESS V TO BASH when a clot grabs you, camera forces you to face the clot
>clots and Volter have an obscenely long grab range, so they can pull you from too far away
>cinematic camera swings on almost every animation makes playing berserker and using melee a headache
>bullets become projectiles in ZED time, meaning you have to lead your fucking shots which completely ruins the point of ZED time
>medical syringe drains itself when used on a teammate, ruining one of the major reasons to heal a teammate (healing them for 40 instead of yourself for 20)
>welder cannot be selected, is now context sensitive and can only be selected when standing next to a door for a full second (apparently this is being changed in a future update)
>speaking of doors, doors never respawn and have overall health so a zed can break through a 100% welded door, so welding is useless
>zed teleporting makes kiting a chore unless you constantly flick your crosshairs behind you like a fucking spastic
>zed knockback makes playing berserker frustrating as hell, and actually nerfs most zeds who use light, rapid slashes that were meant to be used in a combo
>>341383969
No, these balance changes were made entirely for versus mode, which is locked on normal.
>>341384089
KF with the cool new graphics, updated AI, and a few more zeds and classes. That's all I wanted. That's all anyone wanted.
Why did they do this?
>>341383740
>4 classes
The only ones left are the Martial Arts and SMG classes.
>>341384089
the teleporting is one of the things that annoys me the most. i can deal with these near arbitrary changes like removing zerker nightvision etc but teleporting, no welder to select, getting grabbed, just move me back to KF1. what's even the point of playing zerker anymore you can get grabbed and you don't do any damage except to stalkers
>>341381980
Gunslinger
since the bulleye update, handguns do this damage to zeds
x0.3 Bloat (0.6x 9mm)
x0.75 Crawler (1x 9mm)
x0.75 Gorefast (1x 9mm)
x0.75 Stalker
x0.85 Husk (1x 9mm)
x0.7 Siren (1x 9mm)
x0.8 Scrake
x0.75 Fleshpound
x0.6 Hans Volter
x0.5 Patriarch
but don't you worry, to counterbalance that resistance, some zeds have a new vulnerability to handguns!
x1.01 Cyst
x1.01 Clot
x1.01 Slasher
>>341384565
Zerk
Have I mentioned they neutered zerk?
>reduced damage bonuses, health, movespeed accross the board
>removed knockdown
>the new affliction system essentially removed bashes affecting zeds
>we felt that blocking and parring was to OP due to taking almost no damage when you do so, so we tuned this down
>Pulverizer
>Explosive radius reduced to 225 (was 300)
>Parry mitigation blocks 40% damage (was90%)
>Block Mitigation blocks 40% (was 50%)
>slashing: clots, cysts and slashers 0.5, bloats 0.5, crawlers 0.7, gorefasts 0.5, stalkers 1, husks 0.45, Sirens 0.45,
>bludgeon: clots, cysts and slashers 0.5, crawlers 0.6, bloats 0.3, gorefasts 0.6, stalkers 1, husks 0.45, sirens 0.5
So there you go: a melee perk that can't tank, can't move fast enough to take aggro from squadmates, can't disrupt a zed going ham on squadmates if he does get there, and can't kill big zeds anymore.
Some guy said that's their attempt at making evis/nailgun relevant, except why do that when you can buy an offperk M14/railgun and vastly outperform either?
why. How do you fuck up this bad. All they needed to do was remake KF1.. That was it. Then they could have added the new perks and whatever else they wanted. Then they could have done balancing but it didn't need to be full on retard balance like now, just make commando and firebug more useful.
>>341384687
Firebug
Fire resistances
Clots, cysts, slashers- 0.8
Bloats 1.6
Crawlers 0.3 (and, in case you don't play kf2, firebugs still get bonus xp for killing crawlers)
Gorefasts 0.5
Stalkers 0.3
Husks 0.0
Sirens 0.3
Scrake 0.3
FP 0.3 (notice a pattern?)
Microwave
Clots, Cysts, Slashers 0.25
Bloats 0.8
Crawlers 0.2
Gorefasts 0.85
Stalkers 0.2
Husks 1.15
Sirens 0.85
Scrake 1
Fleshpounds 1
And of course, the shrapnel remova- I mean nerf.
>Zed Shrapnel
>Damage reduced to 10 (was231)
>Damage Radius reduced to 200 (was840)
>Very high stumble/knockdown incaps added
>To better fit the role of supporting and causing havoc on zeds and stopping them from acting we felt it was better to have this skills strength to knock zeds down and stop a group for a moment rather then just killing everything in a area
>>341384565
>>341384687
>>341385259
post the rest of these? haven't seen the numbers in detail, this is awful
>>341384376
They're retards.
Fuck it, uninstalling.
I've waited long enough for this to get better and it's clear they have no idea what they're doing.
No more benefit of the doubt shit.
Demolitions
On contact is now a passive... except they tweaked resistances so you can't stun FPs with it anymore.
RPG7
>This weapon is meant to destroy single targets and not everything in an entire room
>Damage Radius 250 (was 1000)
Nuke
>literally every medium/big zeds has a 0.25 modifier to toxic aka nuke
>Patty takes half damage, Hans take 1/10 damage
>literally only crawlers and stokers aren't resistant to it
>this is somehow okay
I sure hope you weren't planning on doing damage with your lvl 25 zed time perk.
And, they're so dedicated to pushing these resistances through that they actually hotfixed the weight values so now demo can carry M209 & RPG. So you know, they won't change it until 3+ months.
And that's the story of how VS crashed KF2.
>>341385730
>>341385259
>>341384687
>>341384565
WHO THOUGHT THIS WAS OK?
OR EVEN JUST NOT COMPLETELY FUCKING RETARDED?
I THOUGHT THEY HAD TRIED MAKING IT SO YOU HAD TO TARGET WHATEVER ZED IS WEAK TO WAHTEVER YOU USE BUT NO, EVERYTHING IS JUST SUPER FUCKING RESISTANT TO EVERYTHING.
Sweet jesus I haven't felt the need to hit caps lock like that in ages.
As someone in the general said, the fact that they're calling this 1 perk 1 character 2 community maps a CONTENT PACK instead of an UPDATE tells you just about everything you need to know about KF2 (ea done right™).
Everyone was waiting for sharpshooter with bated breath, but somehow since the beta build of that update they lost 4% (in a week) on the general user review of the last 30 days, going from 49% to 45%.
It's impressive, honestly.
>>341381980
>>341384089
Zeds themselves:
>three new clot types; the cyst is a fucking worthless addition and the alpha clot doesn't do shit outside of versus. The slasher should be the only clot type unless TW can think of a better purpose for the others (they won't).
>crawlers STILL don't walk on walls as promised
>stalkers are the worst offenders for zed knockback, their kicks have too much range and send you flying back so you're unable to melee them effectively
>not only that, they have extremely high resistance to most gunfire, most notable being the resistance to buckshot
>gorefasts are actually neutered with zed knockback as mentioned before
>siren is STILL BUGGED FROM LAST YEAR, her scream AOE doesn't move as she walks meaning you can stand still and not take damage
>husk is buggy as fuck, animations don't play for many of his attacks (including his suicide)
>scrake rages at 75% HP on suicidal and 90% on HoE; so much as sneezing on him sets him off on a permanent rage
>the scrake is also incredibly easy to kite as any class, since the SIMPLY EPIC motion-capped animations prevent him from hitting you (he always slows down and winds up before a swing)
>fleshpound is unkiteable, he will always rage 10 seconds after seeing a player
>patriarch got a redesign; now he looks like the L4D tank
>when he runs off to heal, he will always heal back to a set percentage, so there's no reason to keep firing once he runs off, forcing the fight to drag on
>hans is still shit even after the rework. What's the point of having a fucking shield if you're supposed to keep firing?
>console shooter has auto-aim
>>341383474
Wait, you get worse as you level up? How does that make any sense?
>>341386717
Demolitions is an incredibly weak perk.
It's damage is very low.
So they did a revamp that cuts it's damage further due to resistances.
Cuts down all the explosive range on all explosions by a minimum of 50%(RPG7 was cut by 75%)
And one perk is either
>+25% more damage at the cost of your limited ammo pool
>5 more shots for all weapons
It's entirely pointless to pick it.
>>341385992
You don't understand, people were asking for VS! So they just HAD to give that priority, as opposed to, you know, finish the game they advertised first.
But then, something incredible happened! They saw that implementing L4D was completely at odds with the entire KF2 game design because none of the zeds were made to incapacitate players like special infected were, and that (plus VS being restricted to normal difficulty) meant that a good player could solo waves as long as he kept an eye out for player sirens!
So, the natural response was to make it so that you CAN'T PLAY SOLO ANYMORE BY MAKING ANY AND ALL LOADOUTS INCAPABLE OF KILLING HALF THE ZEDS WITHOUT RUNNING OUT OF AMMO ANYMORE! GENIUS!
>he fell for the kf2 meme
>>341387229
Yoshiro should get booted from TWI
>>341387229
this
think about what they were supposed to/ intending to do before release and what they've actually done. they still have to add SWAT and martial arts classes, maps, and they've instead added this horrible imbalance and microtransactions
The funny thing is, even at this point, I'm sure that if they let modders rebalance the game for them, this update could actually get people to play again.
As it is people are just exploiting the railgun trivializing big zeds to powerlevel sharp and leaving for another 3-4 months.
>this trainwreck of a game
I'm so glad I didn't buy this piece of shit.
>>341389192
>mfw I got a free copy for me and my friend
>I still regret playing it
>45% of 945 user reviews of the last 30 days are positive
>The fourth "most useful review" is just "try to ban me here, tripwire"
COLLAPSING
The models in this game look amazing but this game is really shit.
just when you thought it couldnt get worst it did.
the resistance sound like no-fun at all
fuck how can you promote load-out diversity if everything sucks against everything and they're fucking expensive to boot.
no more experimental load-outs or else your completely useless
what the hell were they thinking, how can this possibly get worst.
>You will never refund KF2
If I could refund KF2 and never refund another game again, I'd be happy because I'm never going to regret a purchase more than this. At leas before I could believe the game might be eventually good but these last few updates just show Tripwire are determined to fuck up this game as much as possible.
>lots of these positive reviews are from people who played for an hour on normal and typed "hurr can't kill the floor"
>>341390375
Psst, hey you, check out this sweet [REDACTED]
http://steamcommunity.com/app/232090/discussions/0/618459405708087070/#c618459405708091620
>>341381486
Why do sirens have so much fucking health?
Bloat head health is ridiculous now too
>>341390312
its like they think theyre making an mmo
>you know what would be fun, FORCING ONE VIABLE TEAM COMP FOR EVERY SINGLE MATCH VIA LOCK-AND-KEY BULLSHIT BECAUSE WE DONT ACTUALLY KNOW HOW TO DO THE MATH NECESSARY TO BALANCE THE GAME
>i remember thats what people liked about kf1, KILLING ONE ZED AND ONLY ONE ZED ALL MATCH BECAUSE ITS THE ONLY THING YOU ACTUALLY DO DAMAGE TO
>>341391591
But goy, Overwatch is a moba- I mean fps with clear rock-paper-scissors matchups and it's the latest craze! Why don't you like these resistances?
>>341381486
How long will it take before the servers aren't all filled with 6 man sharpshitter teams?
I'm convinced 90% of them don't know how to toggle the auto aim
>>341381486
Aimbot is shit since if you free aim you can place the shot to hit multiple enemies at once
>>341381486
>yet another no cover railgun design
Wipe this meme from the face of the earth. I bet it sounds like some fucking lame laser pew pew bullshit as well.
>giving a fuck about Tripwire after Red Orchestra 2
NOPE
>>341392934
what about rising storm? what about rs2 vietnam?
haven't played rs genuinely curious, played and liked kf1 and ro2
>>341393037
Hating on Tripwire just became a meme, pay no mind to people who post that shit.
Pay mind to the guy who listed all the problems with Killing Floor 2
I haven't played in months, berserker is still good guys, right?
>make SS good against SC
>make demo good against FP
>re-rebalance
>make all classes actually have a purpose
why wouldn't this work
>>341391591
this is more accurate than a 6man 25 SS
>>341393651
no more nightvision, you can get grabbed, and this was all before literally everything except stalker got buffed resistance against melee
>>341393651
Zerk is even worse than support at his lowest point now.
See >>341384687
>>341394128
this, and firebug is just as bad
>Like KF1
>Keep hearing about all of this bullshit happening to KF2
What the fuck are they doing?
>>341394646
Preparing the game for console players.
>>341394646
killing it before it even leaves early access
then porting it to console and cashing out
>>341394804
>>341394857
So, alienating their core fans after letting them down?
Isn't it smarter to hold onto existing customers?
>>341393651
Melee attack speed passive removed
Melee damage passive halved
Knockdown removed
All zeds save for stalkers now have beween 25% and 55% damage resistance to bludgeon.
Zerk gained 5% damage (ccompared to old zerk) resist IF he picks resistance over parry.
>>341394979
you're making too much sense for tripwire, add some microtransactions and copypasted gamemodes then get back to me
How is it possible to fuck up a sequel to Killing Floor? All they had to do was to port the game over to a new engine, add some weapons and perks and maps and call it a day.
Instead they balance the game by listening to MOTHERFUCKING OFFICIAL FORUMS, and they spend their development time on a half-baked shitty versus?!
>hey what was it people liked about KF1? Was it the great co-op gameplay?
<Nah dude I'm sure they always wanted VERSUS
This is the only time I've gotten angry at giving my money away. Fuck these hacks Jesus. I remember how hyped we were before release. KF2 was supposed to be the savior of the genre and we could have played it for years. Instead we got slapped with a wet towel and told to pay 20 bucks for it
>>341383410
>TW is definitely focusing on versus mode
What?
I loved RO: Ostfront and Killing Floor
so when RO2 came along i of course preordered it.
The Beta was a mess and despite community input they released it in a broken state. The update to fix it came over a year later but at that point i was done with the game.
So when they announcer KF2 i was skeptical but it looked amazing and i loved the first game so ofcourse i preordered at the first day it was available, played for 9 hours and never touched it again.
what a fucking mess of a company
>>341396285
Hang on so all these retarded changes you people are complaining about only apply to versus?
>>341384439
There is a welder, unless it somehow got taken out
>>341396471
No! That'd be the logical thing to do- use two sets of resistance. But that sounds like work.
I really hate the maps
Call me a casual all you want, but I love having a place I can bunker down in with a limited angle for the AI to attack you from
It has an all or nothing feel about it, since if they overwhelm you, you dont have the freedom to just run away. All the current maps you just run circles while shooting backwards over and over.
>>341396042
The game is being balanced around level 20-25 players on a Normal server since that's what versus is.
The ZEDs are balanced so that ZED players can last longer against higher-level humans. That's why the enemies have such high resistances.
It's also the reason why all the perks save for Medic got shafted, especially Support, Demo, and Zerk.
>>341396471
The issue is that all of these changes were also applied to the normal PvE gamemode, which makes it fucking unplayable.
>>341396580
The welder is only equippable when you stand next to a closed door. Apparently the old functionality is returning soon.
Does the boss always kill you in 2 hits on suicidal difficulty?
>>341396746
you might be a call of duty zombies kind of guy, not an insult
The Zed spawn system got me.
They said they nerfed welding because they don't want people to hold up in one place like they did in KF1 (But they still do and it's the most viable tactic anyway), but kiting in KF2 is real fucking pain because Zeds spawn in literally every direction.
>>341396891
No thats casual as shit and also doenst have bunker down maps
Guys just shut the fuck up. It's early access, okay? It's not done
BTW buy Rising Storm 2.
>>341396680
>Even Doom mods can have a different set of balance changes between co-operative and competitive play without needing extra plugins
Tripwire is just mucking about
>>341397056
it does if you have three friends to play with
alternatively, l4d offers that sometimes
>>341396539
>>341396680
>>341396834
I don't even have the game yet but I planned to buy it when it's finished and now I'm fucking angry. They better fix that shit because PvE is all I care about
>>341397714
consider the first game?
it's not dead and it's fun
>>341397821
I know. All I wanted was KF with updated graphics and some new shit thrown in and now I'm afraid I'll never get that. At least I didn't fall for the early access.
>>341398091
tw literally had one job, which was to remake kf1, and it's not even out yet and they've already messed it up
>>341396891
You could bunker down in KF1 without problems.
>>341397124
What this gentleman said
Its only early access you can't complain
t.reddit
>>341398453
>m'tripwire
![kf_founderyworker_aldridge_by_atagene-d2wwr1w[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/CsRKvM8.png "kf_founderyworker_aldridge_by_atagene-d2wwr1w[1].png")
>>341398325
>weld doah until it becomes unsustainable
>unweld it
>unleash shotgun fury on dozens of zeds
>closing time
>>341398794
Aldridge in KF2 when?
>>341393037
You mean the games not being made by Tripwire? The ones being made with "assistance" by Tripwire.
>>341399508
yes, i mean those games my mistake
I don't see what y'all clowns are crying about. The game is in development and already has more content than KF1 had at release. They fucked up the resistance, okay, let them know. Other than this and few other little things, the game seems perfectly fine to me. I enjoy it far more than I enjoyed the original KF.
>>341399845
>less zeds
>less guns
>less maps
>no custom stuff
>shit gamplay
>shit guns
Yeah its vastly superior
>>341399845
Hello Tripwire
Asked for a refund after this patch. I was already very skeptical about it and this patch only confirmed to me that Tripwire don't know what they want to do with this game. Maybe i'll buy it somewhere down the road when if it becomes good, but somehow i doubt it.
>>341400790
I refunded around the time they decided that the thing that a co-op horde shooter needs is VERSUS
>>341399845
>let them know
How? Go to the official forums that are praising this shitty change and were the ones that brought it in because of their PvP support?
Sure anon, lets go talk to a fucking wall and convince it otherwise
>>341385717
>tfw you bought this on release
Is this how Starbound backers feel like?
>>341402226
I'd assume so. Me and a few mates bought starbound way back and had some fun cooping but it's still a shitty game
>>341381486
and it's shit
literally wasting ammo if you use it
>>341387229
>I want this feature from this other game I could be playing instead, and I want it NOW!
>I am calling reddit on you, if you don't cede
I have seen this before
How the fuck do these people get priority over the regular user base?
>>341389487
I dont know why I try.
>>341400550
>only shills are okay with changes
>>341392934
/v/ meme games are usually bad, but really cheap. KF1 was pretty much up for cents along other tripwire games. See also mount and gay, E.Y.E, and RO1
The sequels got hyped, and turns out a shitty developer does not fare better with better tools, it just makes the game more expensive.
>>341400430
Are you really comparing game in development with game that had 5+ years of post launch support? I shouldn't have expected much from crybabies.
>>341403289
KF1 the greatest thing ever when it was still at v1005 even. Kill yourself, KF2nigger.
>>341403565
>worse game > better game
>>341403289
>this much denial
>>341398453
The killing floor subreddit is fucking pissed about this stupid update.
>crateconomy
>in an unfinished game
>>341397124
Shove the """"""""""clips""""""""" up somewhere, Johnny Gibtron.
I miss playing with /kfg/ on map anon's maps
>>341403743
>this much denial
>loved commando in KF1
>loved commando in KF2
>see this thread
>log on for the first time in a few months
>check commando perks
>the fuck
>tier1 perks: Tactical Reload (20% faster OR Large Mags (50% more)
fucking christ
>tier2 perks: Backup or Impact
for what fucking purpose
tier3 perks: Health & Armor increase (25% each) or 2 extra clips for each weapon
hey health and armor seems c-
>they removed the health bonus from leveling up commando
FUCK, but hey they replaced it with faster reloading speed. a whole 2% every 5 levels!
>tier 4 perks: 25% more commando damage and 50% less recoil or 50% larger mags
I paid money for this.
>>341384687
>Parry and block have the same damage mitigation
So why parry at all?
>>341385490
I'm late as fuck but this is the full list, it might be out of date but it should give you the general idea
http://forums.tripwireinteractive.com/showthread.php?t=118063
Basically trash zeds are now tanky as fuck for no reason, there's no logic behind it. On normal you won't notice it much, on hard you can really start to feel it, I haven't tried playing on higher difficulties than that but obviously it'll get worse as you go to higher difficulties and zeds have higher HP.
This change basically makes all the guns feel like shit, you went from taking all trash down with 1 headshot to having to headshot trash several times to take it down. It kinda reminds me of the division but with no loot system, everything just feels like a bullet sponge.
>>341381486
I am so disappointed in where Killig Floor 2 is headed. I can't even enjoy it anymore with the retarded knockback on zeds and how unsatisfying playing the support feels because of his shotguns being shit.
The game's going to stay dead even after the free weekend too due to other people seeing the game in a shitty state and not wanting to play/buy it once it actually comes out.
>>341404481
>everything just feels like a bullet sponge.
But hey, you got your larger ammo caps you been monkey pawing about, rite?
>>341381486
>OST contains only a select few songs and no instrumentals
Why
>>341404479
Because if you select the "parry perk" (passing over 20% damage resist, + 20% sonic/poison damage resist), you temporarily gain 35% damage, and 5% attack speed! This totally compensates for the loss of the melee attack speed passive!
AND you stumble the scrake, because let's face it parry will only ever be used against scrakes now that you can't kite hans with it.
>>341404479
they updated it though
Berserker - We increased the block and parry mitigation so that it's not so punishing
Crovel
Block strength will mitigate 40% damage was 30%
Parry strength will mitigate 50% damage was 30%
Pulverizer
Block strength will mitigate 50% damage was 40%
Parry strength will mitigate 60% damage was 40%
Zweihander
Block strength will mitigate 50% damage was 40%
Parry strength will mitigate 60% damage was 40%
Eviscerator
Block strength will mitigate 60% damage was 50%
Parry strength will mitigate 70% damage was 50%
Katana
Block strength will mitigate 40% damage was 30%
Parry strength will mitigate 50% damage was 30%
RPG7
damage radius increased to 400 was 250
weight reduced to 9 was 10. We increased the damage radius so that it's got better splash damage and decreased the weight by 1 so that you can carry a M79 and RPG7 together.
http://steamcommunity.com/games/232090/announcements/detail/932623859693281700
That said, they need to get rid of resistance for trash period. And tone down resistance for bloat/siren/husk
>>341404347
It's still better than old garbage perk.
F2P when?
>>341405209
It's free this weekend. I was going to play it but after hearing all this I'm gonna pass.
>>341404542
Fucking this. KF2 was fun prior to this new resistance garbage. I didn't mind when they were really slow with updates or whatever microtransaction skin bullshit they added, the core mechanics were solid, it looked great and gunplay had some feeling to it.
But now it just feels like I'm wating ammo on every motherfucker that isn't on my "arbitrary list of things I can kill as this class".
Well I won't touch KF2 before they get rid of the resistances. I hope they'll notice atleast something in their steam review rating and change it fast. I just want to have my mindless zed killing fun back.
>>341404672
Since that patch I played like 2-3 matches but I stopped because I was waiting for SS and then this stuff happened. It's kinda like just when I thought tripwire understood what people wanted they took several steps back.
>>341405380
I hear you. This update means teamwork is paramount. Which is fine, but not for a free weekend.
What the fuckery is going on here? I can't even kill a Stalker with my DBS anymore.
>>341381486
That's not a railgun.
>>341384565
Don't forget that the nail bom damage got reduced to 100 from 300, but hey it stuns better now.
>>341405053
I want to agree but they went in the wrong direction with it, a lot of perks have skills that were once passives so some things don't feel new or they feel like gimped versions of past mechanics
They should have just kept the passives and made skills all new
>>341406193
>try sharpshooter
>takes 3 headshots to kill a bloat with lever rifle
Alright, no. They've developed several weapons as mods in their spare time. Yet it's taken ages for all the fucking updates.
Someone has to be causing a fucking standstill here, because they've done all those weapons in their spare time, what's the fucking problem?
>>341406590
Must be too busy working on that VR functionality nobody asked for.
>>341406590Incoming microtransactions powerups/better weapons
Why?
Why the fuck did I trust them?
Why the fuck did I believe this would be early access done right?
Does the resistance update make 2-3 player games harder than full games?
Loged in, demo since KF1 (i do love explosions). Getting into some hard, cause played month ago. RPG shot leaves survivors. WAT. 9mm went even more bullshit than it was. Explody peestol doen't seem to kill anyone if not a direct hit with all pellets. M79 still handles like shit and does no damage. Wha~ How the fuck am I supposed to play now?
>play kf2 when the EA was first out with only 3 maps and 4 perks
>played it like 40 hours and got sick of it
>dont feel like even checking it anymore
early access is so great
>excited for sharp
>can't kill trash with knife in first waves anymore
>uuh, okay, I'll buy the m14 then
>stalkers spawn
>tank 3 bodyshots without problem
"subtle changes"
>>341406839
>VR functionality
I'm pretty sure it's a full VR game that you have to pay for
>>341381980
They're not using the old napalm launching flamethrower, literally the best flamethrower in video games. Instead we've got just another fucking leafblower
>>341384687
Sounds like what they did to Zerk in KF1. Thank god I learned my lesson the first time around and didn't buy this trash.
>>341408919
>Play SS
>Bodyshot
>>341408913
The best part is they already got your money so it doesn't even matter
On one hand, I didn't get this game explicitly because of the whole EA situation. On the other hand, I did put in enough money to get a digital copy of MN9. Can't win them all I guess. MN9 can't be as bad as KF2 can it?
>>341409556
Shoot the lightweight and "squishy class" with a tier 2 marksman rifle 3 times
>doesn't die
>game is still in early access
>selling DLC
I don't understand
>>341409556
Yeah sure, I'll aim for the head of the capoeira dancer. You can't aim for the head of the stalker that's attacking you. And have fun not getting attacked by stalkers ever in pub when big zeds scatter the group.
>>341409767
M14 is tier 3, anon.
>>341409881
What?
>>341410134
KF2 has cosmetic loot crates like TF2.
>>341410706
They also announced some shit at E3.
>>341389192
>mfw i did
>>341393217
>>341393037
>>341392934
FYI, RO2 was handed off to a third party studio, it's playable now but not because of Tripwire.
>>341403289
"development" for over a year?
it's not EA, it's just fucking terrible.
Stalker resistances.
>>341403289
>develop game and put out content for 5+ years after
>develop sequel to game
>all the experience from developing the first game somehow vanishes and fuck up basic gameplay design
>>341411584
jesus christ who thought resistances were a good idea
>>341411584
>same caliber
>one killshots one doesn't
TRIPWIIIIIIIRE
>>341411682
Twi wasn't in charge of game design for KF. That, or the guy who was in charge left, and good on him.
>>341411584
SPECIAL BULLETS everyone.
>>341410735
Oh?
i really want to wish RS2 will be good even without tripwires touch...but just by association i cant feel too thrilled
>>341411584
WHY DO COMMANDO GUNS SOUND SO WEAK AND SHITTY
THIS IS THE ONLY THING I WANTED
>>341412402
Because /v/ doesn't have sound, dingus.
>>341412402
i enjoyed the AK in KF1 when you figured out its recoil...i could even view it as a side grade
but all the current commando guns are just basic upgrades
>>341412402
Speaking of awful gun sounds, did the 9mm get patched to not sound godawful?
>>341412763
yes
>>341412402
Well on the bright side, you're the only perk that can kill stalkers reliably now.
>>341413510
What difficulty is this?
>>341414057
Hard/Sui/HoE trash zeds have the same health.
This is Sui because I wanted to test the railgun offperk.
>>341381486
Whoever made that needs to learn to lower their curvature weight in the mask builder they used for edge wear. It's fucking up the wear on the smoother parts.
>>341414295
Well this is still pretty terrible. Because, really, what even is the point.
>>341413510
>a shotgun at point blank does less damage to them than one bullet from a fully-automatic assault rifle
>>341391139
>http://steamcommunity.com/app/232090/discussions/0/618459405708087070/#c618459405708091620
wut?
>>341381486
You trade half of damage for aimbot, it hits twice harder if you aim yourself
>>341414878
you can refund early access games
>>341414878
As fair as I can tell, Yoshiro (the announcer) enthusiastically pointed out that "yes you can do that!" when talking about refunds during the EA.
He was quoted by people, so when his post was later deleted, we still have a trace.
The first post in the chain was complaining about being unable to refund.
>>341389698
IN ON YOURSELF
I love how the game went from very optimistic to FULL SHIT in a matter of a couple mnths
>>341384089
>cinematic camera swings on almost every animation makes playing berserker and using melee a headache
HOLY FUCK I HATE THIS SO MUCH
>bought the game on release
>loves the core mechanics and got excited about its future
>instead if regurly updates we get "free content packs" with several months between, and every update feels very lackluster
Fuck Tripwire and their "this is early access done right". Im never falling for the early access meme again.
>>341386590
>console shooter
>not on consoles
try again in a few years
>>341413510
What the fuck
Holy shit I just got a new cpu and was thinking of trying KF2 after tripwire ever so graciously gave us free "content packs".
What the fuck is with this entire change to the core mechanics ? This isn't the fucking game I paid for anymore.
Fuck I am fucking mad.
>>341415854
has any early access game been not shit?
did medic darts have the homing feature in kf1?
>>341402226
>tfw you bought both Starbound and KF2
A-at least I didn't back Scam Citizen, right?
>>341416531
No. Why the fuck do you need to ask?
>>341411584
I'll add to that guy's webm that the AK doesn't even decap gorefasts in 1 shot now without the damage perk for it.
>>341397056
Its not quite what you want, but Vermintide has periodic swarms of rats in every level where the go to strategy is to bunker down wherever you can and hold out until the swarm ends. There's also a wave-based survival mode with some bunkering.
>>341416560
Thanks for reminding me I helped make all 3 games a reality
>>341416560
What about Mighty No 9?
Instead of giving every enemy resistances to everything, they should have just made resistances more rare. Like Fleshpounds being weak to explosives but take less damage from bullets is a good idea.
>>341417059
Well I knew Keiji Inafune was a retard from the start so I had enough sense to stay away from that one.
It helps being a Megaman fan that knows all about his dirty laundry.
KF2 FREE WEEKEND
TOMORROW
AAAAH
>steam forums are praising the update
>>341416560
>backed starbound, kf2, star citizen, and mighty no. 9
Is KF1 still alive? I kinda wanna play it again but a lot of people I know have moved to 2 even though its shit.
>>341409881
That's nothing
>Killing Floor 2 Dosh jacked DLC code (PC Gamer US print magazine), July 2014
>Killing Floor 2 Early Access release date: April 2015
Game had DLC 9 month before it released on early access
>>341417460
after all the bullshit with KF2 I can't even play KF1 without constantly thinking
>why did they change this
>why isn't this gun in KF2
>why isn't this mechanic in KF2
and I just get mad
i think the concurrent player numbers have dropped really low, you can always check on steam.db
>>341386430
Oh jesus christ. As a Melbournian myself, even I wouldn't wanna inflict our tumblrette hipster bitches on anyone.
>>341415280
Except later in the thread it is confirmed you, in fact cannot.
>>341396901
>they don't want people to hold up in one place
>prevent any form of kiting by adding zed teleportation
>>341418813
I find it funny that for all the flaws and problems of Splash Damage, their character designers are pretty much the only ones in recent memory to have done shooter female characters that look like they belong in their game. Although admittedly dirty bomb is probably deader than KF2 at that point.
>>341413510
WHAT
>>341419572
What killed it?
Brink stigma?
>>341420083
Genres die.
>>341420083
Well, that and Nexon probably didn't help, but really nothing killed it, it just wasted away slowly.
We've just gone past the first open beta anniversary, but nothing's really changed since then.
There's still only 6 maps (from 5 a year ago) with one being too big for the movement speed and range of most weapons, the new game mode is as fit for the game as VS is for killing floor, and although they do release mercs, it's still slooooow and basically everybody moved on.
Comp is also very dead by now with queue times making it simply a waste of time and very few remaining "cup" players.
They do try to move in the right direction, the balance patches that do come through aren't bad, but it's still a f2p that has you grind dailies to buy the mercs- something which probably repulsed a lot of potential players-, with no community servers, no mods, no custom maps, nothing that for me was the glue that held such shooters standing. Here you just log in, do your daily or cancel it, and log out. It's too bad because the long time glitches and false positive kicks, the game is basically functional and has most of what I look for into a multiplayer shooter.
>>341396901
>They said they nerfed welding because they don't want people to hold up in one place like they did in KF1
it's like they never played their own game
>most maps are small corridors with small rooms
>most maps in general are small and offer not much room for maneuverability
>constantly have this movie-like feeling of a squad holed up against the horrors out there
>doors to weld everywhere
>an entire class for welding
>teamwork-welding possible
but this doesn't even annoy me the most. you can still hole up without welding doors.
for me, it was how they ruined the gunplay. all guns feel like shit and seem to be less precise than in kf1. headshotting has gone from satisfying to absolutely annoying in kf2. I don't know why really, the feelings is just so shit for every gun.
what is this resistance bullshit? is that why I can't emergency 9mm things anymore and everything feels obnoxiously bulky? god jesus I haven't even tried gunslinger yet
>>341420810
Consoles can't hipfire, therefore you won't hipfire.
>steam is now downloading 4 gigabytes of pure bullshit
How do I cancel, guise?
>>341413510
>>341411584
THIS IS NOT OKAY
>>341421049
shh let it happen
>>341381486
>making your horde shooter full of sponges
I swear to fucking god game designers are the most retarded people on earth
>release early access to get community feedback
>disregard it all and add PVP and nerf shit for no reason
>take 6 months to create a single class that has 3 weapons
how long until tripwire get bored of ignoring everyone and ditch the game?
>>341381486
Reminder that during the PC gaming show at E3 they said it would exit Early Access in the fall, will they fully release it prematurely or keep it in early access for ages more
GOING ON RAILS LITERALLY MEANS BEING DIRECTED TO YOUR GOAL YOU DUMB FUCKS
>>341421317
>TW will never massively increase the clot variant spawn count and every perk's ammo pool
I just wanna be knee-deep in the dead.
>>341421553
What the fuck are you even trying to say?
>>341421710
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH HAVING A *RAIL* GUN AUTOAIM ITS SHOTS. IT'S LIKE COMPLAINING THAT TRAINS AUTOAIM ITS PASSENGERS TO THEIR DESTINATION!
>>341421914
calm down
>>341421914
Oh right, you are 'joking'.
>>341421962
YOU CLAM DOWN
>>341421443
they'll most likely do what Payday 2 did, release early without half the expected content and then just release unwanted shit while stating the previously promised content is being "worked on" for 3 years.
>>341422017
NO YOU CALM DOWN
>>341422261
I'LL CALM DOWN WHEN YOU CALM DOWN
>>341422098
>>341421443
There is no martial artist or SWAT perks.
There never were planned nor have we ever advertised 10 perks for the full release.
Any discussion of the existence of these perks will be considered at the very least as an act of sedition if not for slander, and grounds for summary permabans.
As the authenticity of >>341387229 cannot be verified, it could be an elaborate forgery by detractors and must therefore be ignored.
Buy rising storm 2.
>>341381486
KF2 is dead anyway.
Hey everyone, if you're unhappy with the state of KF2 please leave a negative review. The game is currently at around 56% recent negative reviews and it would be nice to bring it down further
Goodbye Berserker. Might as well remove him from the game.
>>341422701
>Buy rising storm 2.
I will because it's not being developed by Tripwire.
Every time I see a company enter siege mode against the community that bought their game I'm reminded that nobody wins in this situation.
The players don't win, because they get banned and ignored when they try to make themselves heard.
The company doesn't win, because all they do is leak customer loyalty and make more dirty laundry that'll ward off potential future customers.
So nobody wins. Hurray!
>>341416560
>I bought all three of these games
So the early access in this case is letting the playerbase do all the beta testing and game designing while making them pay for it instead of the other way around?
>>341423467
Isn't that what early access means?
The only one thing that I like about this update is the way Sharpshooter plays. It's powerful but the slow rate of fire makes it difficult to keep trash off of you. It has a purpose (big zeds) and a weakness (trash), just like every class should have. Until now every class has just been great at killing everything and some classes were slightly better at taking out the big fuckers.
But then they had to go and fuck that up by adding in resistances and shit
I was so happy for like a second
>yay, my lever action baby is back!
>oh, resistances
>oh, shitty perk reworks
>oh, melbourne
>oh, none of the long standing problems have been fixed
>oh, a shitty vs mode
fucking hell i think kf2 might be the most mis-managed game in a LONG time
i remember the early days of the EA and loving it, eagerly awaiting content, until tripwire decided it would take 6~ months between patches and when they DID actually release patches they would do the most baffling shit ever that just made the game worse
kf2 was already dead on steam due to the above reasons, this patch is probably the final nail in the coffin
what a waste.
>>341420083
the day they released the completely broken stealth character
i instantly uninstalled as soon as i realized that was the future of dirty bomb
>>341423924
>Final Fantasy XV exists
It's a close second though.
>>341417460
I'm in US west and there's usually 20 or so occupied servers with decent ping at any given time
>We're listening to your feedback ;) Early access done right where we take your feedback and shape our game.
>Here's versus mode that no one asked for and nerfs to the shittiest perks in the game. Here's a cool new mechanic where your perk is only slightly better at killing one zed in the game, but the rest are tanks. Ha ha, you guys are gonna love the teamwork and communication this will bring ;)))))))))))))))))))))))))
>>341424068
And he STILL hasn't recovered because his toolset just doesn't work. Not even the EMP aura can make him viable. He's not an assault, he's not a recon, he does nothing for the team other mercs don't do better, and buffing him to compete with assaults would make him broken. He's just bad design.
