>PS1 era
Tons of incredible RPGs are made in Japan. A true renaissance is at hand. Vagrant Story, FF7-9, Suikoden II, etc. plots try to be serious for the most part, but occasionally a lighthearted game would pleasantly surprise us.
>PS2 era
Renaissance continues. Final Fantasy continues to blow us away from 10-12 (11 being especially revolutionary), Dark Cloud, Persona 3-4, Kingdom Hearts, etc. truly a great time to be a fan of JRPGs.
>PS3 era
Renaissance abruptly ends. Newest Final Fantasy is a huge embarrassment, as are its spinoffs. JRPG market flooded with low-quality 'moe' games with $5000 budgets and two man dev teams. A few exceptions came around (Demons Souls, Valkriya Chronicles) but for the most part, utter trash
>PS4 era
Same as the PS3 era so far. A few games on the horizon are looking decent, like Persona 5 and a new DQ game (and maybe FF), but for the most part we're left out to dry.
WHAT HAPPENED?
The PS1 era was shit.
>>341329792
>believing this
explain your opinions
>>341329567
>Talks primarily about post-PS1 JRPGS
>Pic includes IPs that started on Nintendo consoles
>>341329567
Is this actually "neo-/v/" when you start with the fucking ps1 era jesus christ.
>>341330553
I googled 'jrpgs' and I thought that image would apply well to this thread
>>341330771
I'm just focusing on the last 20 years, calm down friend
>its a gaming was better when i was a kid episode
>>341331578
I'm not even apart of that crowd, I enjoy plenty of games that come out nowadays. Can you honestly say JRPGs haven't gotten worse overtime though?
>>341329567
>12
>Blown away
You must have incredibly low standards to be impressed.
>>341331578
He's completely right, in the ps1 days we had so many masterpiece JRPGs we literally thought it was the norm and would only get better with time. As time passed these games became more and more rare. To the point of obscurity where we actually have to wait years for decent titles that aren't moe bait garbage designed to cater to the /v/ base who are waifu faggots. It's so sad that this is what it's come to.
>>341329567
Shitty opinions and Neo-/v/ being shit aside. The problem is that JRPGs appealed to a smaller market. As technology advance it became harder and harder (more expensive) to pump out RPG's because the money return was not enough to justify the effort.
So companies tried to reinvent the genre to appeal to more to make money. At some point it was no longer an RPG or JRPG. Just another genre with RPG elements.
>>341329567
Try to make a top 10 list or a 3x3 of jrpgs for the last console gen. It's depressing.
Everything moved to handhelds, but even then things haven't been great.
>>341329567
Mid-tier developers all but died out.
JRPG is kind of a shit genre though. Most of the games are basically just VNs with combat that is either press A to win or cast opposing element on the boss.
>>341329567
Who's the red haired girl on the farthest right and which game is she from? Or is that actually a boy?
>let's talk about JRPGs
>forgeting Nintendo and Sega consoles
what
>>341333430
Sort of ranked but not really
Tales of Vesperia
Tales of Xillia 2
Tales of Graces F
Xenoblade Chronicles
Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn
Ni No Kuni
Lost Odyssey
Final Fantasy XIII
Disgaea 4South Park The Stick of Truth [/spoier]
That was hard, how can I improve the list? Would like to drop XIII but I don't know how to replace it
>>341334515
Replace FFXIII with Xenoblade X
>>341332074
>Can you honestly say JRPGs haven't gotten worse overtime though?
Do I see JRPGs better than FFV, Nocturne, DDS? No, but those games stand out compared to basically every era.
Do I see JRPGs better than most?
>>341334670
I don't think Wii U games count for 7th gen
>>341333935
But he posted chrono trigger and called a psx ps1
>>341332074
Name one genre that has gotten better this generation
>>341335581
WRPGs.
>>341335581
emulation
>>341334515
Dark Souls ?
>>341335765
Their improvement via casting away traditional RPG elements and becoming action games with loot/leveling systems. It blurs the line so hard that I wonder if you can even consider them RPG's anymore.
>>341335765
I'll give you The Witcher 3 but stuff like Dragon Age seems like a step backwards
>>341336627
Because the golden era of JRPG belongs on systems that made development relatively cost effective: SNES, GBA, PS1, PS2, NDS, 3DS, Vita.
And well Vita isn't doing so good right now.
>>341336872
That's some good shit right there.
>>341329567
>JRPG market flooded with low-quality 'moe' games with $5000 budgets and two man dev teams
This has been happening since the PC 98 era get your head out of your fucking asshole
>>341337242
3DS is and the best we've gotten is the niche Etrian Odyssey, the polarizing Bravely games, and the still niche SMT
Plus the corpse that is the Mario RPG franchise
>>341336327
Worked for Ys.
>>341334515
>Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn
KEK
>>341337757
Aren't you forgetting 7thdragon?
>>341329567
This JRPG line up looks perfectly fine
>>341338167
I said it wasn't easy to make the list. Throw out XIII and add Dark Souls, maybe Demon Souls in place of Disgaea 4. What else?
>>341337803
It works, I won't argue that. Just makes it feel like the genre is dead and what remained was absorbed by the others.
>>341334515
SMT Strange Journey?
>>341340217
Console list
>>341329567
>11 being especially revolutionary
Hahaha
>>341329567
The JRPG genre was an epic, idealistic, and beautiful genre which posited that man was more than just a mere animal; that his life had some meaning and purpose of a greater dimension than just eating, sleeping and copulating; that he was involved in grand adventures of a nature far beyond himself and beyond his own day to day concerns; that there was hope for me and you, that we could become something greater than ourselves. And that's why, in 2003--NOT 2007--to the roar of thunderous applause, JRPGs had to die. But they didn't just die. Oh no, that would be too good a fate for them. Instead the genre became what you see today: a slovenly, cheap, disgusting, sexualized clump of games not fit for a fine, upstanding human's consumption.
And that's why I'm here today to tell you that if you liked any of these three games, you killed JRPGs along with the bringers of satire, sexualization, sarcasm and hero's journey deemphasis, and you liked it.
Even the best Final Fantasy games are mid-tier JRPGs at best
>>341334515
>Nier
>Dark souls
>Dragon dogma
>Trails of coldsteel
>Last story
>KH 2.5HD
>Resonance of Fate
>Ar nosurge
>Lost dimension
>White knight chronicle
>>341341764
nah
>>341341905
He's a "JRPG is a genre" fag so he wouldn't take DaS or DD because "lOL those r wrpgz"
>>341341764
[citation needed]
>>341342118
Fuck off dumb memer
>>341329567
I'm still playing through tons of JRPG's from the ps1/ps2 era, so it hasn't really ended at all actually.
>>341341905
I forgot about Nier
I added Dark Souls
Cold Steel doesn't belong
Last Story is questionable
2.5 is a collection of remastered previous gen games
Resonance of Fate I could see making top 10
Ar nosurge doesn't belong
I know nothing about Lost Dimension
White Knight Chronicles is bad
>>341342118
Ebin
FFXV looks like it COULD POTENTIALLY bring the series back. FF7R is kind of worrying but it COULD also be good. Dragon Quest XI is looking brilliant. Bravely Default is bringing back that classic NES-SNES era feel a bit. There are still (pretty okay) Tales Of games and the like coming out here and there. The advent of indie games means increasingly not-shitty oldschool RPGs are starting to peek their heads out, and whether you like it or not, Undertale has breathed some fresh air into the genre and people's interest in it. And speaking of games by Earthbound fanboys, Mother 4 looks amazing.
It definitely could be better, but I don't think it's as bad as it was during most of the 2000s and early 2010s. We might be on an upward trend.
>>341342425
This, there's so many jrpgs, I'm convinced that there will always be more to play
>>341342503
Remove Stick of Truth. NOT JRPG. REMOVE WRPG.
>>341342710
I agree it was supposed to be a joke, the gameplay is bad anyway
>>341342667
>>341329567
>skipping SNES
>>341332169
4th gen had more jrpgs than 5th gen, kid
>>341333430
Here's nine which are fucking ace:
>Lost Odyssey
>Tales of Vesperia
>Resonance of Fate
>Xenoblade Chronicles
>The Last Story
>Valkyria Chronicles
>The Last Remnant (PC)
>Tales of Xillia
>Blue Dragon
All were damned good.
>>341331578
>its an underage newfag pretends video games are still good episode
>>341343193
Swap Xillia with Xillia 2 and you're golden
I forgot about Valkyria Chronicles too fuck
>>341343193
>TLR gets shit on because retards STILL can't comprehend how SaGa games work
Every fucking time.
>>341342972
He was too young to remember the SNES era, that's why he thinks PS2 era didn't noticeably drop off and why he actually likes Kingdom Hearts
>>341343523
PS2 era is the best jrpg era, and Kingdom Hearts 2 is an amazing game
>>341342503
>White Knight Chronicles is bad
erm no. If WKC is bad then Xenoblade is also bad
>>341342118
>Came out of Japan
>Has RPG elements
>"Hurr durr it's a JRPG!"
Conventions are pretty fluid for the genre, I'll admit, but they stand out as outliers on JRPG lists because they aren't JRPGs.
That's like calling Breath of Death VII or Cthulhu Saves the World WRPGs because they were RPGs made in North America.
>>341341565
This. So much. So fucking much.
Almost. I now half agree with you.
In Japan, people gave less of two fucks because everyone is reliant on the US over there but need to realize that they can do a lot with what they have. Their anime had a lot of the themes back around this same time as their JRPGs: hope for the future, fighting against the impossible, all of that optimism. But if you ask me, Japan gets so asshurt around easily and most remediable issues that they just say fuck it and forget everything that makes them admired and go decadent. It's infuriating.
In the US, 9/11 happened. Obviously, like a lot of this country's history, people for some reason enjoy plugging their ears about how this got started and go headstrong dumbfuck charging into the fray without knowing what to expect nor its context. And as for the people that aren't involved militarywise? They get all butthurt and emo about how the past chains them, that they have stigmas, or to the "right wing" they want Jihad and eventually the fulfillment of the book of Revelations by genociding the fuck out of the middle east. Over here while there can be hope there are a lot of people who do not have hope; if they do, they are one of the few or they are so blinded by self delusion they are the blind leading the blind. Again, that is infuriating.
Public tastes I feel and have studied are most relevant to the mindsets that are most relevant to the situation and circumstances of the times. But then again, all it takes are those who can see another way where hope lies to point out where it can be found.
>>341343193
>all tumblr pandering oversexualized and mass-produced games for the lowest common denominator
>>>/reddit/
>>341341565
This. Weebs ruined everything and now the corporate slimeballs are going to continue this egregious pandering till the end of time.
>>341343703
>PS2 era is the best jrpg era
You're heavily retarded
>since 94
>nintendo or sega is nowhere in OP's sonygger mind
>>341329567
Ffvii, lol.
>>341343193
>Blue Dragon
Nice try. People only like it because it was an Xbox exclusive. Japanese people didn't care for it and the only interesting thing about it was the Deep Purple guy doing the theme. Oh, and the anime was fucking retarded.
>>341344059
Come on now, BD is shit, but it didn't have THAT problem, unless you're talking about Bouquet existing and getting naked in the anime.
>>341344110
Look at >>341333430
That's barely scratching the surface of PS2 jrpgs too, the library is incredible
But apparently having a different opinion from you means I'm retarded
>>341343963
>That's like calling Breath of Death VII or Cthulhu Saves the World WRPGs because they were RPGs made in North America.
They are.
Western RPG. RPG made in the west. No matter how much you try to copy Chrono Trigger you will never be Japanese, Birry.
>>341343983
This.
We need to rise and reclaim our genre.
>inb4 b-b-but it cant happen because gamergoogly
Yes it can. We need to start a movement to boycott these """games""" so that video game developers would realize this Tumblrtrash is not what we want.
>>341344059
>weebs ruined everything
Oh please.
>>341343442
TLR's Xbox 360 release gets shit on because it was hilariously slow and you were forced to leave named characters out of fights so you could fill the squads with unimportant goons.
The PC version is superior to the Xbox 360 version in every way.
360 domination ruined all, le western appeal trash.
>>341332904
So this is why so many JRPGs have text/dialogue sequences where two characters stand over a background and just talk
>>341332904
Pretty much this. If you look at revenue for the Japanese game industry it's been pretty static while at the same time the revenue for the industry in the west has skyrocketed. This, however, hasn't kept their development costs from rising along with everyone else.
The most disappointing aspect of all of it is that they genuinely don't understand the reason behind all this and believe that they can fix the problem by attempting to appeal to the mass market. This is why censored localizations and the like are becoming more common.
The reality is that they simply need to find a viral marketing firm that speaks their language and isn't incompetent. The market for AAA releases is not an organic one. It is the product of costly market engineering. Japanese developers will either figure this out eventually, fold like many of them already have, or perpetually skirt bankruptcy between every release.
>>341344441
I liked all but 2 of the SNES and PS1 RPGs listed there. I wasn't even interested in more than 3 of the RPGs on the PS2 clump. PS: Tales and KH are shit
>>341342972
I love SNES JRPGs but there is a massive decrease in quality later in its lifespan, especially when it comes to the big hitters.
FFVI was shit tier compared to FFIV and V and marked the series transitioning into 'modern' FF, something I can't stand.
Romancing SaGa 3, while still a decent game, was nowhere near as innovative or challenging as RS2.
Seiken Densetsu 3 sucks shit compared to Secret of Mana, a game I didn't like that much in the first place.
Dragon Quest VI, while still a decent game, is a huge step down from V. It's more easily broken, its pacing is utter shit, it's too long, and the plot isn't even close to as good as V's.
>>341344517
It's true though. /v/ hates this type of slovenly, sarcastic, processed schlock and would prefer Japan to grow up. Even WRPGs are smart enough not to do this anymore, which is beyond sad.
>>341334515
>Tales beyond Vesperia
>>341344935
B-but the gameplay is good, I swear!
>>341344935
The first Xillia was fun. Captured a similar feel to Vesperia, for me.
Xillia 2 and onward though...
>>341344832
Tales and KH are better than most jrpgs, so you must have really different tastes from me
Woah that's so crazy anon, people like different games for different reasons
>>341344935
>>341345114
Xillia 2 and Graces F are good, they have better combat than Vesperia too. Stop pretending good gameplay doesn't matter
>>341344857
>FFVI was shit tier
>the best FF ever made by far was shit tier
>chrono trigger, the best JRPG ever made, was late in the snes' life
>many other all-time greats like Lufia II came out even later
>you didn't like Secret of Mana, another of the best JRPGs ever made
>you think SD3 is worse
Oh my fucking GOD, you are an idiot. Nothing you say or think matters.
>>341345553
>the best FF ever made by far was shit tier
Please tell me more about the game that destroyed FF gameplay for no fucking reason was the best FF ever made.
>People complaining about JAPANESE rpgs being too japanese
Are people this fucking retarded
>>341345553
>literally using your own opinions as a counterargument
woah......so this......is summer /v/...
>>341345553
>He thinks Chrono Trigger is the best jrpg ever
It's entry level fampai, ATB is garbage too
>>341345553
He has weird opinions. I'd be interested to know why he doesn't like Chrono Trigger but given what he said about 4-5 and 6 I can see why he doesn't like 6. For him it is like 12 is to me. Too different from what came before. He may be a 'really oldfag'
>>341345725
4 didn't really have good gameplay. Just generic ol' Level up to learn dem skills. 5 had some level of preplanning your builds which 6 only has in what magic you'll learn. As for the tactical gameplay it's pretty much all just mash A shit though so I assume you're not talking about that.
>>341345936
>Says Trinity
>There's 4
wat
>>341345725
>gameplay
>>341329567
Eat shit faggot, you didn't even name the best jrpg from the PS1 PS2 era. No wonder you can't appropriate good jrpgs during the PS3 PS4 era.
Go jump off a bridge head first.
>>341329567
>Did not mention a single SaGa game
>not a single dragon quest mentioned
>no smt outside of persona 3/4
>did not mention lunar silver star/blue moon, breath breath of fire 3/4 on ps1
>did not look at portables for rpgs
>mostly talks about FF
That your problem you only look a the surface of the genre and dont explore for more unknown games
>>341346230
>4 didn't really have good gameplay.
Really? You could've fooled me, what with random encounters dangerous enough to kill you or force you to expend tons of resources if you fucked around in them and boss fights with tons of mechanics that were new to the genre at the time.
>>341346748
>look at me I play games to not play games
What the fuck is wrong with you?
>>341329567
PS3 era had one of the most innovative and greatets jrpgs yet fucking massively underrated, Resonance of Fate.
Lost Odyssey too
>>341329567
Square ruined everything when they merged with Enix. Not only they can not deliver but the merging ended all competition and ruined quality on all the IPs for both companies. (more or less)
They kind of pulled it off till the end of the PS2 (which is arguable because KH, VP2 and SO3 all have problems) but after that they really fucked up.
Final Fantasy went to shit never to return. Lost in sequels, movies, prequels, remakes and episodic nonsense.
KH got too convoluted with all those spin offs...
VP died (thankfully), SO survived to deliver S04... a parody of itself.
Sadly most companies are gone or relegated to portables or phone games. Is utterly sad.
>>341345936
p4g is trash but i wouldn't call it babby's first, it feeds upon the massive weep appeal that is fostered by playing the other games
>>341350053
P4G is the modern day example of a jrpg praised by people who don't play jrpgs, just like CT and FF7
>>341329567
REMOVE TEDDIE FROM THIS PICTURE
JACK FROST IS THE TRUE ATLUS MASCOT
>>341346230
I never said I didn't like CT, I just don't think it's the best JRPG ever or even the best JRPG on the SNES. The parts of the game that made it fun are all but taken directly from FFIV and FFV but put in an easier game and the original parts of CT - dual techs, positional requirements - don't add much to the game because the game isn't set up to fully take advantage of them.
Definitely better than its 'sequel', though.
