Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
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They might as well call it Elder Scrolls: Hyrule. What the fuck is wrong with people and when will this open world meme end?
Minecraft Zelda
It looks fun.
>>341294332
Zelda was always open world
>>341294332
>not open world
>wahh too linear
>open world
>skyrim ripoff
Ok.
>>341294332
Dude, this is proper Zelda only a lot bigger. Did you see all the gadgets you get to move the environment? This *is* fuckin ZELDA!
Zelda has always been an "open world" not a very good one, but one nonetheless.
>>341295231
what do you mean by this?
>>341295231
What the fuck are you talking about
>>341295452
Zelda is the mother of open world games ffs. An overworld in the Elder Scrolls exists because of Zelda.
Why does he look so fucking bronzed, Jesus.
Looks marginally better than Skyward Sword at least. I'm definitely worried about the open world meme but at least there's some verticality, which really helps.
>that short ass intro
>then exploration
Best game of E3.
>>341294332
>open world meme
Here's your reply 4/10
Fuck off with your linear jrpg bullshit.
>>341295653
Yeah. Tell bitch ass op that, that nigga don't know shit
It looks like the game will hold your hand a lot I'm worried it will be one of "those" games where you just use the minimap and follow the objectives, i.e. all open world games in the past few years
>>341295783
Fuck off, both are fine and can coexist.
Why is Chico so cute?
>>341295394
>>341295452
Yeah. I don't understand what "open world" means. How would you make Zelda MORE open world unless you literally make it limitless and you can travel infinitely in one direction with no obstacles. .
>>341295653
>Zelda is the mother of open world games ffs.
Ultima you fucking underage error
>>341294332
>They might as well call it Elder Scrolls: Hyrule
I would honestly take TES over this. This is an Ubisoft tier big empty world with a bunch of useless shit to collect.
>>341295394
This is how it should be done.
>>341294332
It already ended but Nintendo, as always, is stuck in the past
>>341294332
MFW I don't have to play this game
I can just assume its like every other Zelda and no one will ever know
>>341294332
but anon zelda was always open world! :^)
>>341294332
I mean Zelda STARTED as open world and you had to fighure out where the dungeons were basically without any help, it's only the recent games that have been more linear, this game's just double-downing back on zelda's roots.
>>341295653
>this is what console kiddies actually believe
>>341295452
yeah, maybe zelda 1
>>341294332
>They might as well call it Elder Scrolls: Hyrule.
Its closer to something like RDR than Elder Scrolls. Notice how there isn't 500 billion icons all over the map and you actually find stuff on your own.
But keep those meme's a comin'!
nintendo is not only 2 generations behind on graphics, theyre also 2 generations behind on the kind of game styles that people are interested in
Where are the towns and dungeons
This looks fantastic and I'm someone that hasn't owned a Nintendo consoles since the SNES. I was already kind of excited for the NX because if the rumors of a hybrid mobile/home console are true then this could be something great, but with this I might just buy it if we also get something like a Metroid or Pokemon console game.
>>341296457
It's not going to stop. I want to discuss the good and the bad of this game so far but nobody with an negative opinions is being reasonable.I know I shouldn't be surprised.
ok let me repeat myself for all you retard in this thread
ocarina has a big hub that connect several places that aren't open world, wind waker has a hub so big they had to put a fast forward button for the rerelease, skyward sword and twilight princess don't even have something like that
this is not the same thing, that's why they are showing you shit like rolling boulders on random enemies and hunting animals, this is aimed at the "see that mountain?" crowd, because they are a bunch of stupid overexcitable fags that always fall for it everytime todd tell them sweet sweet lies, it has already fucked metal gear, it will fuck final fantasy and it will fuck this game too when it get released next year
>>341294332
It's not Elder Scrolls. Everything points to The Phantom Pain-like.
>Tablet with Scanning/Marking/Map/Other features
>Resource gathering for upgrades and dozens of weapon unlocks
>GPS and Sound Radar
>Sneaking, Weather Advantage/Disadvantage
>Enemy Alert Phases and Alarms
The list goes on.
>see that mountain, you can climb it. Literally
Nintendo just BTFO Todd
The map looks too big and lacks depth like a Bethesda open world game. Add in annoying crafting, cooking and collectibles and you have a guaranteed recipe for a shit game.
>>341296945
>overexcitable
You're forgetting the comfy crowd. I love empty flowing fields between stuff to do. It's why I hate Ubisoft collectathon worlds.
Empty Wild, more like.
>>341295394
>>341295452
>>341295653
>>341296034
>People can't tell the difference between hub-based games and open world trash
>>341294332
It looks fucking god tier
End your life
Aonuma did it. He delivered a 10/10
>no music
>fire arrows in some random chest
Bravo Nintendo........ Bravo
>>341296620
this.
zelda u looking like fable 2. crafting? weapon durability? getting a weird "been there done that" feeling with this, and it's because i have literally been playing games with the same mechanics for over a decade and a half.
i get that you can deconstruct games to basically be that, but i don't really understand why anyone felt the need to create a zelda that looked so much like generic western rpgs.
worse is how late into the wii u's lifecycle this is.
i am disappoint
>>341297804
I'm genuinely curious. What makes an Open world game?
man, /v/ just likes to shitpost Nintendo for the sake of shitposting no matter how hard they have to reach.
>>341294332
>Find new bow
>Tutorial on shooting arrows
>Even though you already had a bow
>>341298045
It doesn't use a HUB area (like the Hyrule Fields in Ocarina/Twilight) or break up the game into zones (again, Twilight). Like Reggie said at the beginning, it uses 'seamless' transitions between areas.
>>341297804
You're confusing open world and sandbox. The original Zelda is open world.
>>341298183
I like all the comparisons to Fallout and Skyrim, as if their open worlds are what make those games mediocre/bad.
What happened to the months of discussion about how the lack of RPG elements and good writing are the worst parts of them? But nope, those games are bad so open world games are bad. The shitposting is too much.
>>341295653
Ultima was you retarded nintendrone.
>>341298646
wait
so you would say dark souls, bloodborne etc are hub based games
Okay i´ll admit it, i love the new Zelda, but im not gonna buy a Wii U just for one game
>>341295394
Thats not what open world means
>arrows fall and get blown by the wind
That's really neat.
>>341298886
Absolutely.
>>341298039
What kind of game did you want then you fucking faggot stupid nigger fuck?
>>341298886
They break the areas up into zones. Or 'levels' if you want to think of it like that.
>>341298886
Bloodborne is.
Dark souls isn't because you aren't locked out of exploration most of the game and aren't forced to return to firelink ever.
>>341296834
They're all just a bunch of fags who are mad that it's politically incorrect
>>341294332
20 years ago they would call elder scrolls a zelda clone
now they call zelda an elder scrolls clone
what a wonderful time to be alive
>its an RPG, for real now guise!
>game and lore is loaded with weapons and spells
>still can't choose different class besides Warrior
LOL
>>341299263
except DS3 ofc
>>341297804
I actually don't like "hub-based" or sandbox open world. I prefer seamless with interconnection and sequence breaking.
>Zelda was always open world like this
Is this "pretending to be retarded to win arguments" day?
>>341298045
It's simple, you just have to look at the size of the map VS the depth it offers. Think about it. Designing a single room or small outside area to be fun sure is easier than designing two billion of them, isn't it?
If the ratio goes over the point of you having to spend at least half your time playing the game traveling from objective to objective, then it's Open World.
The first Legend of Zelda isn't open world because each small section of the map was basically a small level with enemies coming for your ass and shit. You can't compare it with something like Skyrim, where you have miles upon miles of empty fields. Now that's an Open World game.
>>341298971
Elaborate
>>341295452
>not a very good one
here is a response to add to your collection i hope you feel happy
my only comment is this:
*questioning voice*
"What? metal gannon!?!"
>>341299263
>aren't forced to return to firelink ever
Come on now.
>>341298773
>What happened to the months of discussion about how the lack of RPG elements and good writing are the worst parts of them?
Oblivion and Fallout 3 had "RPG elements" , and were still considered bad games you retard. Bethesda games also never had good writing.
If anything ruined Skyrim and Fallout 4 it's the questing and combat.
>>341298886
Without a doubt. Do you honestly think Dark Souls is open world? Are you insane?
I'm not falling for this shit after the abomination that Xenoblade X was.
>>341298971
That's exactly what open world means.
>>341294332
it looks so good im so happy right now.
>>341295424
ikr
>>341299387
Elder Scrolls was never remotely anything like Zelda. It was its own special brand of cancer from the very start.
The first and second game are literally 95% randomly generated. Level design? Who the fuck needs it?
good lord Audrey's tits
>>341299191
something more unique. that's been zelda's strong suit. the mechanics have never really been top of the line shit, it's always been about basic adventure gameplay with interesting dungeons, puzzles and aesthetic.
i would never call windwaker generic despite it being a fairly simplistic game mechanically, but i'm not going to be shocked and awed by zelda implementing mechanics that have been common in western rpgs for about a decade now. if i wanted that, i would play western rpgs.
>>341294332
>when will this open world meme end?
Zelda games were open world from the get go. What the fuck is this?
>big empty world
>survival
>shit graphics
lol nintendrones will defend this
>>341297114
...phantom pain.
a game that has been in development about just as long as phantom pain, and it's stealing from a game that didn't even come out a year ago... okaygranted they could have taken some things but at most maybe one or two things given how long development takes for a zelda game
>>341300029
>something more unique
skyward sword was plenty unique
it was also shit
fuck you and die
>>341294332
>elder scrolls: hyrule
HAHAHAHAHA they fucking wish. This is like a poor man's Ubisoft open world meme game.
Fuck Nintendo
>>341299514
Would Twighlight Princess qualify as an open world, by that definition. I feel like most of that game was just me commuting from place to place through long fields between each destination.
>>341300096
Nope. Hub based. Each square was a different little area.
Are you faggots gonna say that Metroidvania games are Open World games too? Can you seriously not understand the difference between something like Vampire Masquerade/Zelda and GTA/Skyrim?
>It's Minecraft!
>It's Skyrim!
>It's Dark Souls!
>It's SotC!
>all games inspired by Zelda
>>341300252
nintendo graphics are always shit why reiterate it. it is passable though given it's "artistic" style that looks unique and appealing
also already say it's empty when the selective parts they've been showing have been pretty full of content
>>341300441
Twilight Princess was definitely one of the emptiest Zelda games. I don't think it's big enough to justify calling it an Open World game, and every area was still instanced off, but I remember very distinctly going through those annoyingly long Hyrule Fields on a horse and that was very reminiscent of Elder Scrolls cancer.
White fog literally everywhere. What I hate about modern video games. Why can't they have proper graphics like in the 6th generation?
>>341300354
i never once implied that unique meant good you simpleton. skyward sword was unique and shit, majora's mask was unique and great.
you cannot actually be this retarded.
>>341300393
>delusional bethesdafag
At least Nintendo can stream a live demo of their game without worrying about breaking the physics on literally everything
>>341300697
>nintendo
>unique
>appealing
lol
I like the emptiness, gives the game flavour. A slightly increased run speed would make it better, though.
>>341300480
this, how can people forget that Zelda was there before any of those, and that they would never be what they are if it wasnt for Zelda
>>341299705
People shit on Skyrim and Fallout 4 more though. Nevermind that, it was simply more topical. You didn't do anything but reinforce my point anyways. People are complaining about this game for the one redeeming feature of those shit shows.
>>341300480
Its a meme
>>341301008
>I like the emptiness, gives the game flavour.
You are the reason why good men suffer.
>I LOVE EMPTY SPACE, IT'S SO IMMERSIVE/COMFY
Fuck off, Open World fag.
>>341300393
>Ubisoft open world meme game
The map isn't cluttered with epic collectibles and other points of interest every 10 feet.
>amiibo shit already confirmed
What a joke
>>341301270
Holy fuck you're triggered. Do me a favour, don't buy the game, and work on your ADHD.
>>341300937
if there's one thing nintendo has always had to them it's being unique
they've always kind of done whatever the fuck they feel like, many titles like game & wario, star fox zero and miitomo are a testament to that, even though it doesn't appeal to the lowest common denominator.
which brings me to my second point, appealing is subjective which sure, you're entitled to that opinion. at least it's appealing to millions of other people
>>341301682
I don't get triggered, I pull triggers.
>>341301463
yeah it's actually devoid of basically everything except for enemy camps like it's fucking far cry 2, this is way better.
>>341300393
But five minutes of the opening gameplay already looks better than 100 hours of Skyrim fetch and quest.
>>341300467
Seems to me your only distinction is an arbitrary limit on how wide the paths between areas are.
>>341300480
>>341301024
Well The Elder Scrolls: Arena's main inspiration was Ultima Underworld, which in turn was inspired by the Ultima and Wizardry series both of which predate The Legend of Zelda.
>>341301270
>open world fag
this is a meme now? what's next, platformer fag?
>>341301008
>I like the emptiness, gives the game flavour
Do you eat raw cucumbers and lettuce plain for lunch?
>>341301270
The only alternative to emptiness is an Ubisoft open world mess or linear design. That's not to say linear design is bad at all, but if you're going to do an open world this is pretty much the only way to do it.
>>341296083
>>341298831
The Ultima series was god awful, the setting was ass (i mean lord british?) and the gameplay was worse.
>>341302125
>Do you eat raw cucumbers
Well, we know your mom does.
>>341302125
no but i do often suck circumcised dicks.
>>341302247
GOT EEMis this what this thread has succumbed to?
>>341302170
Then my greatest fears pre-E3 about this game have been realized.
>>341302185
You're god awful. Ultima IV, V, VI, VII, Underworld, and Underworld 2 are better than any Zelda game.
The only thing that triggers me thus-far is the fact that you can pause the game to heal. If this isn't disabled in dungeons, the game's going to be a joke for anyone who isn't mentally retarded.
If these better weapons don't last for a significantly longer time than the wooden ones, that's another point of complaint.
>>341302092
And? Elder Scrolls Arena was a complete mess and awful. When the developers can't get out of the starting dungeon, that says something.
>>341302170
The actual good option is to make a good relatively small but still big area that is hub-based and not Open World trash. See: Vampire The Masquerade Bloodlines
>>341302125
>>341301270
I think what the anon is trying to say is empty areas that slow down the pace can still give time to soak in the scenery and be immersed more, just like any open world game
his argument was cringey as fuck though, but not everyone articulates their thoughts before posting unfortunately
>>341302817
And what? What is the logic that Skyrim was inspired by Zelda?
>>341302867
That's my personal favorite way to do it, absolutely. Like I said I just think this is the best solution for open world when someone decides that's what they want to do.
Zelda has always been open world, retard
>Everyone saying minecraft
where did this meme come from?
>>341300875
>>341301463
>>341301941
>there's even less to do and less going on technically, making it the better game!
My fucking sides you CANNOT make this shit up
>>341302740
Ultima played like shit then, and it plays like shit now. It's tedious and no fun at all.
>>341303315
Notch is such a fat fuck, people actually think he invented food and spaces that are large enough to house his enormous ass.
Who else is wary because they fell for the Xeno X meme?
Fuck you, zelda's Creed will be awesome
>>341303027
Do most players rush through every game they buy like it's a speedrun? Was it really necessary to spread the set pieces so thin to force people to take time to enjoy the environments? This ain't Sanic.
>>341301614
It's not on the official twitter. So where did you find it?
And that gaurdian doesn't look convincing at all. It's far too wide to be an amiibo and I would be really surprised if it was.
>>341303509
>I completely change peoples argument with greentext
Apparently you can make shit up.
The shift from semi linear to open world will be awful and may kill the series.
>See also: MGSV
>>341303793
You mean Zelda's Dogma
>>341303027
>I think what the anon is trying to say is empty areas that slow down the pace can still give time to soak in the scenery and be immersed more, just like any open world game
This doesn't happen in my experience. It's just a waste of my time.
Go look at The Witcher 2. That game isn't Open World either (unlike The Witcher 3, which very obviously is), but it still has beautiful environments that don't completely disrespect your short time on this earth.
>>341303948
The shift from open world to semi linear was awful and nearly did killed the series.
>>341303948
>implying konami did nothing wrong
That wasn't what killed MGS retard.
>>341303948
Feels bad man. I just want my hub-world, semi-linear Zelda like MM or OoT back. Nobody asked for big ass open world to be honest.
>>341303928
Some people enjoy that kind of thing anon.
>>341303176
When they decide to make a shit game, they fucked up. Trying to make it the least shit possible doesn't change its shit status.
>>341294332
this has more gameplay than elder scroll ever had.
>>341303315
Minecraft has been the current big thing in Japan the past couple of years.
It's why there is a sudden boom of open world survival-esqe games from Japan. MGSV, DQ Builders, and now this.
>>341294332
Im pretty sure noone but Bethsoft can make something as bland and uninteresting as a TES game, thats why we see so few clones.
>>341294332
I have always wanted to explore an Elder Scrolls like game with Zelda's tools. I have not gotten this hard over a video game in years. Fuck you faggot this is awesome.
>>341304334
>Nobody asked for big ass open world to be honest.
I did
wind waker still best zelda
>>341303948
Story killed msgv
>>341304318
Kojima killed MGS when he make the snake eater team the patriots.
>>341297804
>every game with a house and doors isn't open world guys!
>>341304498
>MGSV
MGS3 has survival long before, you know.
>>341294332
The game looks fucking amazing, end yourself.
NINTENDO ACTUALLY LEARNED. THEY'RE IMPROVING. WE SHOULD BE HAPPY.
If you don't like the open world you can just beeline towards the dungeons and shrines. The shrines look sweet as fuck, I hope they show some dungeons soon.
>>341304653
It made more sense than "a primordial soup of consciousness growing at the white house."
>>341304540
Honestly, game like Gothic 3 and Witcher 3 made me realize that Bethesda are actually the best at what they do.
>>341304456
This. It's much more simple but much more elegant in it's simplicity. Admittedly anything is better than swords weightlessly sliding over someone with a delayed sound effect and chipping away at a far too big health bar.
>>341303509
>It's okay for a game to be unfinished and buggy as long as it's filled to the brim with shit!
see I can spin shit around too
Chico is far cuter than Audrey, and no I don't have yellow fever, it's just her personality I like.
>>341304784
they showed 2 dungeons last segment.
>>341304784
This, neo-v is such garbage. "CHANGE ZELDA, ITS SO STALE" "WAAA, I DONT LIKE THIS CHANGE"
>>341305098
Oh fuck thanks for letting me know, I had it muted in another tab after Chico left before.
>>341305318
Those aren't proper dungeons, those are "shrines". Basically quick trials with puzzles.
>>341294332
when will this, "I don't like thing so it's a meme" end? I swear it's a bunch of new faggots that spew retardation out of their mouths everytime they speak.
>>341305318
No, those were shrines. They confirmed shrines and dungeons are entirely different.
>>341305349
Clearly, the only two options are to make a stale game or a shitty Elder Scrolls like
>>341304736
And it returned when open world was popular with the nico let's player audience. Funny how that works.
BEEEEEEEEEES
OH FUCK BOMB ARROWS
>>341304334
>Nobody asked for big ass open world to be honest.
That's wrong, Souls/WRPGfags have been bitching about oldschool and limited Zelda is.
>Enjoying babby's first adventure game, Anonymous?
>The franchise is so stale they should implement [insert game mechanic present is every other game] then I'd start playing again.
WELL NOW YOU'VE GOT WHAT YOU ASKED FOR. I HOPE YOU FAGGOTS ARE HAPPY WITH YOURSELVES.
>>341305546
How is this game at all like Elder Scrolls?
>Skyrim invented open world
>Skyrim invented equipment
>Skyrim invented stats
>>341305858
Souls games are not open world, you stupid faggot.
>>341302125
>
Not every part of an open world games has to have content. It's ok for big empty plains. It does add atmosphere which is nice to have, as long as there is content somewhere else. Morrowind did this very well because the environment was interesting and had cool wild lifeSKREEEE
>>341305870
/v/ is infected by mass cross boarding around E3, so the only comparisons people can make between games are absolute basic concepts seen in surface level things like ES.
>>341306109
>I like empty content because it feels atmospheric
You're a faggot and I hate people like you. I hate that developers pander to you instead of spending their resources actually designing good shit instead of "le epic 5000 yard area with nothing in it for the sake of muh immersion"
>>341305870
Do you realize something doesn't have to have invented it's characteristics for something else to be like it?
That's like saying Lords of the Fallen isn't like Dark Souls because Dark Souls didn't invent melee combat or dodge rolling.
>>341306092
But they're fanbase can't help but invade every last Zelda thread to say how much superior Zelda would be if it took after them with combat, equips, survival, etc.
>>341306357
Answer the fucking question instead of dodging it with dumb analogies.
>>341296620
>>341298039
Yeah because one of the biggest games for Playstation's conference wasn't an open world survival game with crafting
>>341306337
why do you play open world games? just play shmups
>>341306337
dude calm down. That's not what I said at all. What I mean is there can be a few empty areas with interesting design, as long as there are parts of the game that are important and have things to do. Immersion is good to have what do you have against it? even early Zelda games had spaces with only grass and rocks.
>>341295619
you idiot it has crafting features and cooking features and other minecraft features like axes and tree chopping building shit ect
>>341304916
>>341304940
>>341304979
>hurr durr gaffer
My god Summer is annoying. E# is about games, not Tits. You want to fap your ducks off to this girl fine, but you have NO REASON to announce it when the rest of us are trying to watch and enjoy a game stream and half the fucking thread is jerking it to some womans tits!
Keep it in your pants and to yourselves, or go make an "Audrey's tits" thread. Keep it the fuck out of here. We're trying to enjoy this. Not be lumped in with you sad loser fucks.
You wanking your dicks off like caveman is what keeps causing these threads to 404 and be remade.
>>341306337
>I need my Autism quenched! everything has to have something to do. Fuck atmosphere.
You're the faggot, go play Call of Duty.
>>341306337
This is a weird concept, and it's one that a lot of /v/ doesn't understand, but you can always play different games that appeal more to your taste.
>>341295424
someone post courage making zelda for dinner
>>341298039
>>341296620
Sony literally led off with a God of War Skyrim
>>341306613
I'm not the guy you were asking. I was just pointing out how retarded your logic was.
More importantly, why does this game looks like a PS2 game. The animations are so bad, it looks like a fucking indie
>>341294332
I can't believe people actually think that this looks good. It looks like its another good 5-8 years behind the current competition of open-world adventure titles.
I guess people are just deluding themselves into thinking this'll be good because the wait for these games is so fucking long now that it starves people of a mainline Zelda game to the point where they don't care how shit it is?
I mean did none of you learn ANYTHING from Skyward Sword's initial reveal? That game looked bad from the start and everyone deluded themselves into thinking it was good at first. Same thing is happening here.
>>341306984
Pretty sure you're the retard for completely ignoring the context.
It seems like if they decide to include the Master Sword all the weapons you have will become obsolete.
Anyone else disappointed that there is no sword motion control? After seeing how nintendoland improved skyward sword's gimmick, I was actually excited for it.
>It looks like its another good 5-8 years behind the current competition of open-world adventure titles
How so?
>Apparently someone is hacking one of the demo Wii U's at e3 and DUMPING the zelda demo rom to an SD card
>>341306996
As an animator, I agree with this opinion. Animations are flat-out rudimentary and amateur. I can already tell that most of Link's animations are just recycled shit from SS.
>>341307264
Not enough scripted events and QTEs and too many frames per second.
>>341307273
Source?
More than anything I hope you can reinforce weapons to the point of unbreaking or something. It would be fun as fuck to do a mostly pure spear run or something,until the game forces you to use the master sword for the plot.
>>341307273
How would they get away with that with no one seeing?
>>341306646
I don't. Open World games are trash and I wish fags would stop making them.
>>341306897
You can have perfect atmosphere without a game being Open World. See the Metro games.
>>341307095
>It looks like its another good 5-8 years behind the current competition of open-world adventure titles.
I'm curious since I really never play that type of games. Why is it so bad?
>>341307240
Pretty sure I addressed the context.
QUESTION /v/
WAS WTICHER 3 OPEN WORLD EMPTY? WAS MGS 5?
WAS SKYRIM?
IF ALL OF THOSE ARE EMPTY OPEON WORLDS IS THERE A SINGLE OPEN WORLD GAME THAT ISN'T EMPTY?
IS OPEN WORLD GAMES A MEME THAT IS RUINING VIDEO GAMES?
Y/N?
>>341307095
Maybe that's why this open world looks appealing to me. To be years behind the game is to go back to a time where something about the design of open worlds was actually appealing to me.
>>341307518
you know the worst part of the metro games was how linear they were and how the npcs dictate the flow of the game?
>>341307369
Please don't act like this isn't just borrowing 99% of it's new features from Steam indy sandboxes.
>>341306695
>minecraft features
Come back when your balls drop
>>341307445
Multiple people at e3 on twitter
>>341307493
I dont know, How the fuck do you touch a system at e3 and NOT get caught?
>>341307296
the ground's texture are also fucked and super pixelated
>>341306996
Maybe try dusting off your PS2 because you clearly don't remember what PS2 games look like if you think this is PS2 quality.
>>341307518
>See the Metro games
You mean the games who's atmosphere is greatly outclassed by their open world counterpart, STALKER?
>>341307518
Open World games are trash and I wish fags would stop making them.
So what? People should only make games you think are good? Drown yourself.
>>341307264
Horrible and dated animations.
Combat is still the same stale stuff, piss-easy difficulty.
Overworld looks empty.
These 100 shrines are just the equivalent to the grottos from WW.
World looks artificial, enemy designs are shit-tier like SS.
Music doesn't sound all that memorable so far either.
Extremely poor frame rate at frequent times.
Typical gathering and crafting system that isn't all too special.
Survival elements are forced.
Game looks too light-hearted again, no balance of light and dark elements; just like SS I won't feel like a hero fighting off true evil in this.
>>341305352
Chico's talking is cute as fuck.
>>341298971
It's a world.
You can access every single part of it.
You can choose your path to your objective.
You can nearly go from every place to any other without following a specific path.
The only limits are the edge of the map.
There are secrets scattered around and there is no order to acomplishing your objectives.
What the fuck is open world if Zelda 1 isn't ?
>>341307797
Like what?
>tfw the sjw tears are already beginning
m-muh female link
>>341307797
I'm still waiting on your reasoning for why this is 5-8 years behind current competition
>>341308058
>Game looks too light-hearted again, no balance of light and dark elements; just like SS I won't feel like a hero fighting off true evil in this.
This is the first area for fucks sake. Your other points are not even worth my time. Holy shit apply yourself
>>341299592
He can't
It looks like they're taking tips from Dark Souls.
The Tree house just picked up a Hylian sword and it had some flavour text saying how it was formerly wielded by soldiers to protect the castle or something.
>>341308213
Who needs female Link when we have cute shivering Link?
>>341308356
>all this damage control
fuck off gamer gurl. Zelda is shit and you need to grow up
>>341308356
Nah anon. I can just tell. It's going to feel exceedingly goofy and/or soulless like SS and TP.
>>341306946
>play different games that appeal more to your taste.
Well Zelda was one of those different games, until now.
This has been a growing problem going all the way back to the vacant Hyrule/Termina Fields in OoT/MM, the ocean in WW, and Skyloft in SS. Now they are making it worse and more like every other adventure game these days.
I guess I'll have to play this game like I'm trying to speedrun it to appreciate it. There will be plenty of time for backtracking I'm assuming.
>>341307245
Maybe you won't get it until the final boss fight like the Light Arrows in ALBW.
>>341308443
>I'm this new to video games!
>>341297804
hub based games have all of their shops and friendly npcs in a single area you fucking retard
>>341308526
>no argument
I like that the combat is upgraded. I HATE fucking horses. Adding horses is just a reason to make the world "bigger" even if that world has fucking nothing in it. Keep Link on foot, keep the world smaller, but make it dense with material. I don't want to ride 5 minutes across nothingness to get to every objective. Look at LttP, there is hardly a screen in the game that doesn't serve some purpose.
>>341308526
>Zelda is shit
Why are you here
>>341294332
I'm surprised the title sounds like it doesn't literally refer to a character or object.
>>341294332
Zelda has literally always been open world
They should just call this game Dr. Mario 2 Electric Shigaloo.
When will this video game meme end?
Combat looks like a mix of Frogger and Bill and Ted's Excelent Adventure.
Why isn't it dark like other game?
>you can actually climb that fucking mountain
>The things you find in the world are actually relatively useful
Hope you're watching this shit, bethesda cucks. This is how you fucking DO.
Also, I'm having a giggle over the fact that the girl would have died to that first beemos blast, if the playthrough weren't rigged to prevent it for demonstrative purposes. I get the feeling that these fucking things are going to do to adult me what the fucking redeads use to do to kiddy me.
I think nintendo might have fucked up horribly, hear me out. The japanese cannot into open world, we saw it with MGS5, there was fuckall to do in that game once the novelty of open world wore off, all we ended up with was a barebones story. The japanese just cannot tell stories in a non linear fashion, they need their trops and bullet points to present a story, the japanese games with the best stories are always very lineal.
Zelda has never had a big story, how the fuck are they going to tell a story to fill this open world? The witcher 3 worked because that game had a gorillion of little stories plus a fuck huge story that took you all over the world and even off world. It had all sorts of sidequests which had their own characters, some even from past games, and a lot of sidequests presented you with moral dilemmas and that's what kept the game fresh and made the open world interesting.
How is it going to work with zelda? Will there be sidequests? Interesting characters? Is it just going to be "explore and kill random boboklin camp for shitty loot" repeat over and over? Hell are there even classic dungeons with actual meat to them? What the fuck is this game going to be about?
This might probably end up worst zelda game ever made.
>>341308843
Those don't count
>>341308526
>THIS ZELDA ISN'T DARK AT ALL
>or maybe you haven't seen 90% of the game yet
>NO ZELDA IS SHIT
Is it August yet?
>>341308356
Calm down anon, he made some good points like the animations being sub-par and music direction being worried. I'm excited for this game but it's important to keep a level head and imagine what could be done wrong as well.
>>341308757
>Adding horses
>>341308957
>japanese cannot into open world games
What is the original Xenoblade Chronicles
>>341304592
yeah! i think it looks fun :3c
>>341308957
the witcher 3 is fan fiction so its writing is automatically shit
>>341308957
>Xenoblade X
>>341308612
how can you like zelda and hate open world so much?
>>341309092
Yes, most Zelda games do not have horses.
The goblins look like pushovers as well as the skeletons. But fuck those guardians pack a punch.
I guess I'm doing a 3 heart naked run on my first playthrough. I'm glad there's no health regen at least
The animations look very dull, I hope it's just placeholder.
>>341309178
you mean like OoT MM and TP?
>>341308734
>>341309081
my point is why should we care about Zelda when there are better open world games out there with better stories, original combat, and more memorable dialogue? Zelda brought nothing new to the table. Not saying it has to be dark I was pointing out your damage control. SO why is Zelda still relevant? It's always the same shit, saw Zelda from Ganon. It's literally the mario of RPGs
>>341309339
That is three. And how many Zelda games are there?
>>341308957
>using MGS5 as an example of a bad open world
>>341308957
There are four major towns in the game, and I imagine they'll be filled with side quests, yes. It's fucking Zelda, you know?
Keep in mind that this is what E3 Demos are ALWAYS fucking like for games like this. They could have probably picked a more competent player out of the crowd, and he or she would be balls deep in the story already. These jackoffs are basically just personalities that are used to present the game's features.
>>341309178
Most have a mount or means to bypass walking.
Horizon looks way way way better than Zelda. Zelda feels so emtpy....
Nintendo are done
>>341304334
yes we did you fucking liar
>>341309430
there are 5 3d zelda games and the 2d games aren't relevant in this discussion
>>341309106
terrible, but it's a poor parallel anyway. Xenoblade's side quests are nothing like Zelda side quests.
can I tap in my WFT amiibo
I want to fight with WFT
>>341309434
>large areas of literally nothing makes a good open world
>>341307792
>The worst part about the Metro games is that the developers didn't waste their time making big empty areas that serve no purpose other than jizzing over them
ayy lmao
>>341307992
Actually, the first S.T.A.L.K.E.R. isn't Open World, it's Hub Based. And surprise, surprise: It's the best one.
>>341309554
Has gameplay of horizon been shown off? I only remember seeing a scripted fight and NPC dialog cutscene
>>341309394
>zelda
>RPG
>>341309627
>2d games aren't relevant in this discussion
>>341309394
>damage control
You never had a point until you started back pedaling faggot.
DOG COMPANION
>>341309713
you don't know what a hub based game is retard
Man am I glad I can enjoy games even if I don't have approval from /v/ to do so.
>>341308957
Wow, a rational thinker in this thread.
I'm with you anon. From what we've seen so far, this game screams potential disaster. The open world and the shrine shit looks like it's about to get boring and repetitive very, very quickly.
>game pauses every time you get one of the thousands of items it leaves on the ground like trash
Nintendo is always a few years behind, so they're just now adopting the open world meme.
The memes are moving faster than ever these days, though, so Nintendo needs to step it up.
DD
>>341309834
that's not how you use that meme
>>341309249
It takes 12 hits from the goblins to kill you. Fucking 12
>>341308957
>The japanese cannot into open world
No one cannot into open world, because it's shit.
>>341294332
It looks ugly.
It looks like they tried to draw Skyrim with pastels.
How did we go from this, to ___________
>>341297804
the original zelda is open world you fucking nigger
>>341310058
You said most have horses then amended it to "most 3D ones because I'm going to ignore more than half of all Zelda games ever made".
>>341309997
Only the first time you pick and item
>>341310138
Doesn't count
>>341309434
MGSV has probably the most ill conceived open world ever. It's the absolute best example of having a few points of interest and acres of nothing between.
>>341310129
>Zelda-Wii-U-Screenshot.jpg
Bullshot*
>>341310201
this is a 3d zelda game retard you should have been able to figure that out on your own
>>341309713
man sure is fun to follow ulman/miller/khan/pavel/bourbon
>>341310349
Very good, you can tell the difference between 2D and 3D. Doesn't change the argument.
>>341295424
So much this.
Game looks great, nintendo did loose E3 cause one game no matter how good is not a good showing but this game looks great. Haters just wanna hate.
>>341310129
That was the NX version
>>341310267
maybe because you aren't supposed to play it as an open world game
>>341309864
I never back pedaled you dumb fuck. In my originator post I said nothing about it being light or dark you nigger. learn to read since I wasn't this anon >>341308058
>>341308957
>The witcher 3 worked because that game had a gorillion of little stories plus a fuck huge story that took you all over the world and even off world
There are literally over a hundred mini dungeons around the world. If this has a bunch of NPC quests in town, this will be GOTY material
>>341309876
You're the one who doesn't know what a hub based game is. Here's the entire map of S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shadow of Chernobyl
As you can see, you switch between areas when there's a significant travel portion between them that is empty. This is so that every are they worked on is actually well designed and doesn't waste your time. If this is considered "Open World", then any Metroidvania ever is as well, as are the Souls games.
Suck my cock, faggot.
>>341294332
tod take notes how the real open world looks and plays.
>>341310438
you're still an idiot btw
>>341294332
I'm predicting right now this is gonna be the MGSV of the Zelda series
>>341309394
Name me some open world games that have these same mechanics. The survival aspect, the climbing/stamina, the degradation and resource management, the weapon variety, the animal companions, the navigation mechanics.
>>341300480
Inspiration and who started it isn't the problem, it's the game barely retaining anything from it's own series that is unique about it that is
>>341294332
If this wasn't zelda it wouldn't even be being talked about because it just looks like a very basic open world game.
>>341310672
Since you have no argument I accept your apology.
>>341310359
Ever played Last Light? The Swamp, motherfucker. That area is big and it's well designed as opposed to Open World trash. And it doesn't have your arbitrary flaw of "You're following this guy"
>What the fuck is wrong with people and when will this open world meme end?
Hopefully never.
>>341294332
IKR right?? After the open world meme dies I can't wait for the first person shooter meme and racing meme to die!
>>341308058
>Game looks too light-hearted again, no balance of light and dark elements
>nothing about it in my original post
>>341310682
More like the Other M.
Either way, it will break the series. Hopefully Aonuma is removed once people actually open their eyes and drop the hype, but the damage has already been done. It's a case of too little; too late.
>>341310574
>linear game with "open" areas
>open world
Nope
>>341294332
>voice literally calls him Link
So we can't name him, meaning character customization is probably not happening at all.
Fuck.
>>341310793
of course i played last light but the swamp is just a fraction and it's still linear as fuck
>>341310724
Witcher 3
Skyrim
STALKER
Horizon Zero Dawn
Dark Souls
etc
>>341310574
that is not a hub based game you fucking retard
>>341309106
Xenoblade chronicles wasn't open world in the same way that the witcher 1 wasn't open world.
>>341309160
Literally best written game of 2015 though, specially if you count hearts of stone.
>>341309168
You're not implying xenoblade x had a good story right? Besides that's an rpg, that game had sidequests and characters. Zelda doesn't (not in the same scale). Unless this is now an action rpg and they put a LOT of emphasis on characters and sidequests (like majora's mask but multiplied), I don't see how it's going to work.
>>341309434
Kill yourself, MGS 5 was complete shit and ruined the franchise. A textbook example of "why the open world meme doesn't work with every franchise".
>>341309469
Well that's more reassuring, but still. In TW3 you could find characters in the wild, which started sidequest for them. I haven't seen a single sentient creature in this playthrough so far (although I started watching an hour after it started so I might have missed some), everything so far has been monsters and animals, nothing else in the wild. Doesn't look like the wilderness is going to have any meaningful depth to it besides exploring, killing and collecting shit.
>>341310074
TW3 did it right, even the elder scrolls has some stuff going for it. What I'm saying it, imagine if you took skyrim and removed all quests and shit that you can do in the wild, remember in fallout 3 how some times random characters would approach you in the wild and start a quest? THAT is the kind of stuff that gives open world depth and purpose. I'm not saying they're great examples of open world games I'm just saying they at least try. I've yet to see a japanese open world game that tries, because they don't understand how open world games work, they think that jsut exploring and being able to go and do what you want is what carries these games, while this only applies to the normies who play the game for 8 hours before getting bored, and then they're panned by everyone else.
>>341309713
SM64 is hub based. Demon's Souls is hub based. STALKER is not hub based.
>>341311095
>Fuck.
>I want to create a girl with Shreks face names cuntfucker
>>341294332
It looks fucking amazing. I actually feel better about owning a Wii U.
>>341310863
Look at the enemy designs, anon. It's goofy as fuck. Just as bad as SS in many regards.
The Shrines look like they lack a proper sense of atmosphere as well.
It's safe as fuck, especially in comparsion to the shit we got in the past.
Ever since Aonuma took charge, Zelda has lost its soul and the dark elements that helped support the feeling that I was saving a land under great conflict and turmoil.
>>341311245
>Literally best written game of 2015 though, specially if you count hearts of stone.
it's fan fiction so its bad no matter what
>>341311245
>they think that jsut exploring and being able to go and do what you want is what carries these games
So in the end you just want the game to tell you what to do and where to do? Why not just play a linear game in that case?
>>341298646
So The Elder Scrolls aren't open world games because they use transitions to 'zones' like dungeons and specific areas in which the plot advances?
>>341311245
There's an old guy right outside of the starting area that talked.
>>341311095
Character customization? In a Zelda game? Why? Does every game need it?
>>341310729
They haven't even shown dungeons yet, and that's like 50% of what makes Zelda what it is. It's certainly going a different direction, but considering they're focusing on the original NES Zelda for inspiration their decisions make sense.
>>341310962
Yes. That is most certainly the opposite of an open world game. The fact that it has you travel between instanced areas and they cut out unnecessary traveling means it's not Open World.
What's next, are all CRPG's Open World too? Is Baldur's Gate Open World?
>>341294332
Many of the 2D zeldas were open world decades ago.
Dont be an ass.
I just woke up and only saw a bit of it
How is the content per sq/m? From what I saw it was pretty empty and lacking, with vast fields of really nothing.
Also why weapon durability
Why?
W H Y ?
Thats the most unfun shit.
>Armour and weapons break
This is the only thing I'm unsure about desu.
I know I'll find cool shit that looks rad as hell, and it'll break. Or I'll never use it because I don't want it to break.
>>341311451
Are you implying every open world game doesn't already do that? No, what I'm saying is that usually the content (as in actual story) of these games is very thin because they think players have fun exploring for 10000 hours and doing nothing of worth, so if you actually focus on the story all you're left with is a very paper thin story that has you walk miles just go get to the next part and it's over very soon, leaving you empty inside. See MGS5
>>341311742
yes
>>341311216
Very nice, you're telling me all these games have all those elements I listed?
>>341311316
Those bats and bokoblin skeletons looked straight out of ocarina of time, get a grip
There's going to be cooler enemies in the dungeons, lik the Guardians
>>341311245
>In TW3 you could find characters in the wild, which started sidequest for them
I haven't played TW3, but this sounds like a hiccup, from both a gameplay standpoint and a realism standpoint.
For starts, when the map is as large as it is, just tossing the beginning of some long ass side story is just asking for someone to barely miss it 40 times before leaving the area completely, never to return. Secondly, when we're talking a medieval agricultural setting, like The Witcher's, most people aren't going to be wandering too far from home unless they're fucking traders or something.
I guess this could work if your world has roads, but this is a postapocalyptic prairie we're looking at.
>>341310724
Far Cry 4
>>341309339
Why does everyone forget that FSA also had horses.
>>341309171
Because Zelda is a purpose-driven adventure game. Even MM with all the mask side-quests, still had the constant reminder of the clock weighing on you to keep the Moon from killing everything. I haven't seen a single open-world game that didn't look desolate as fuck outside of a few populated areas, and you were just Some Dude™ wandering around in it who never has seemingly any damned motivating reason to do anything more than farm/craft items. I already have the Atelier series for that.
>>341311938
yup
also FFXV now as well.
>>341311846
The fire emblem dilemma.
>>341311938
They do actually.
>>341311245
You said japs can't into open world in which your wrong.Never stated the story was good or not.
>>341311871
You can't assume this zelda is going to have a 2 hour story ala Skyrim. Although I'm interested in seeing how the game ends up in speedruns.
I understand why you're worried about it, but honestly so far from what I've seen, the only thing I don't like is not taking any damage and food being everywhere.
I hope there's a hard mode that limits food, increases damage taken and doesn't pause the game when you open the menu
>>341297114
Fucking this. Also the fact that you have a horse available to you and a wolf companion, this comparison was a no-brainer.
>>341312141
I'm a big far cry fan and this game is nothing like it
>>341294332
It looks like shit and plays like every Zelda before.
Bomb/wall/chest.
Fuck you Nintendo.
Die already ffs, you're embarassing yourself and everyone watching.
>>341311935
>Baldur's Gate is open world
Haha, ok, you're retarded. "Open World" means literally nothing now. It can be linear, it can have instanced areas, it can have walled off sections including invisible walls, BUT YOU DON'T CHOOSE A LEVEL SO I GUESS THAT MAKES IT OPEN WORLD
Retard.
>>341300029
>unique
>great
Care to be more specific?
>>341311810
Yeah but at least you're not alone in your thoughts and opinions anon.
Game is pretty much going to be Skyward Sword 2.0 once it releases. Zelda is dead.
>>341311316
This is probably my biggest worry personally. I like open world games, I'm not worried about that. If this game has the same personality as Skyward Sword however, nothing will be able to save it for me.
>>341310264
>Original game doesn't count
>>341312064
>the guardians
Hoooooo so spooky.
I'm still not feeling it. Overall it looks fucking lighthearted as shit.
What the fuck do you want from a Zelda game?
It's got giant overworld that you're dropped into with little to no explanation, mini-dungeons to search for, better combat, better exploration, it's a checklist of literally everything faggots complained about for the past decade that they wanted in zelda
>>341312354
>It can be linear, it can have instanced areas, it can have walled off sections including invisible walls,
you just described assassins creed
>>341305546
These 2 hours of footage already look way more fun and interesting than any of the shitty open world garbage Bethesda has put out.
The difference is quite astounding and obvious really.
It looks okay so far, but
>WEAPON DURABILITY
Fuck this meme, wipe it from the face of the Earth. I don't want a bunch of shitty weapons that break in ten hits that I'm forced to constantly switch between, I want sidequests that end with getting permanent, well-designed weapons that last forever. Why couldn't there just be a blacksmith character that asks you for specific materials to craft a spear/axe/claymore, forcing you to travel to a nice little side-dungeon with a miniboss to get them? Why am I forced to pick up shit lying around to fight with? Why is the Master Sword likely to be the only permanent weapon, which nobody would like to use since it's the main weapon of almost every Zelda and people will want to try the new shit? Fuck this.
>>341312592
Cry me a river that Majora doesn't come back to life and blood murder everybody.
>>341312659
I'm loving it. Just needs a hard mode and a way to not invalidate every weapon, shield, piece of armour/clothing once you pick up a Hylian shield, master sword, hero's clothing.
>>341312489
Yep, agreed. I want to feel like a hero whose choices can either save or ruin the lives of so many NPCs in this game. If the game's atmosphere is so vapid and shallow to the point where I feel more like a delivery boy than an actual hero, then there's no point. Zelda's soul and essence is gone (but let's be honest, it's been a shell of its former self for a while in this regard now.)
>>341312817
At least I would have an incentive to save Hyrule then.
It's better from the disconnection that was clearly apparent in WW, TP and most of all - SS.
>>341312659
I want a game that isn't Zelda but I'm going to complain until it is desu
im going to dump some humble bundle codes dont mind me
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>Dat chu jelly animation
>people complaining about the game being like every other zelda
>people complaining about the game being nothing like zelda
So is it summerfags, fanboys, Zelda cycle, or all three?
>>341313132
We literally know nothing about the plot, or who the villains are. I wonder why we have no incentive to save hyrule yet?
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>>341312806
>I want sidequests that end with getting permanent, well-designed weapons that last forever
Fuck, I already didn't like the weapon durability but I hadn't considered that things like this just won't happen because of it.
>no spear only run with a cool spear you found at the end of a dungeon somewhere
>>341313341
Zelda fags. Half think all Zeldas should be like MM and the other half think they should be nothing like it.
>>341313191
do you have the version of this with final fantasy?
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>>341302125
raw cucumbers are fucking great fuck off
>>341313341
Look a the OP. This is just a shitposting thread
>>341312354
That's what open world has always meant. You're getting it confused with sandbox.
>>341312806
We literally know nothing about the weapon mechanics.
He picked up Topaz which was a material with "Electrical Energy". It's easy to imply there's weapon crafting in the future.
>>341313341
Different people that want different things out of their video games.
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>>341312229
Not anymore :^)
>>341313596
>not zucchini
there is no smug anime face for this emotion
>>341313678
Could also be like a Dead Island crafting system where you can slap electrical components or fire components on weapons to make them do different types of damage, but they still break in the end. All I'm saying is that they're making a big fuss about how you need to pick up found weaponry to get by, and there's been no mention of unique/legendary weapons that don't break yet, so it's worrying.
I dont mind the open world shit, but the game better have some more classic type of dungeons.
>>341298045
>What makes an Open world game?
The player can choose to go to any of the dungeons at any time.
This leads to a lack of focus in both design and pacing, a lack of clarity in progression and objective, a homogenisation of difficulty and challenge, and a streching of the development budget on breadth over depth.
Open world is just the flip side of the same bad design coin as corridor design.
>>341314265
They have shown "shrine" mini-dungeons, and confirmed that they're different from normal dungeons
>>341294332
>game dosent even have a town
Literally what are they thinking
>>341314265
They already said that it does. I think there are only 4, though
>>341314357
that's the definition of a sandbox
>>341298886
dark souls 1 isnt but every other souls game has a hub
>>341314357
There's ways to balance these things though. Whether they choose to do so will make or break the game.
HOLY SHIT
OH SHIT
OH FUCK
OH SHIT
I JUST THOUGHT OF SOMETHING FUCKED UP.
Anyone find it suspicious as fuck that this game is clearly rooted in ancient magi-tech and potentially ancient ayy technology, and this Link just happens to wake out of the blue from a hundred-year sleep at the start of the game with no memory whatsoever?
Isn't that fucking weird? Nobody finds this suspicious from a plot perspective?
All Links have had starting backstories as normal people, living normal life styles. But this Link literally just wakes up from a temple. And just goes out to fight evil.
And the game obviously has a distinct technology vs. nature theme going for it.Can we be certain that this is really Link?Hell, can we be certain that this Link is even fucking human?Is it possible that the big mid-game plot twist will reveal that Link is very much the same essential thing that he's fighting against? A constructed guardian? A sort of magi-tech synth?
>>341314407
I'm worried about this. They're really stressing the open nature stuff, but the game needs towns for you to head into as well. The fact that they haven't shown any is a little worrying to me.
I'm pretty sure I saw a city on the world map, but it could just be an empty husk for all I know
>durability
>causes the weapon or armor to actually break and be deleted from your inventory instead of returning an unusable version of the item that you can fix with a blacksmith
I'm honestly getting really upset with the durability shit the more I'm thinking about it. This shit needs to go
>>341314689
DaS1 has Firelink Shrine, just like 2 has Majula and 3 has Firelink Shrine
>>341294332
>interactive environments
>Elder Scrolls
It's what all true elders strive for, ma boi.
>>341314357
>The player can choose to go to any of the dungeons at any time.
And get killed or stuck in dungeons they're not yet prepared for
>>341314871
That's the fun part
>>341314793LINK IS THE DOOMSLAYER
>>341312065
>I haven't played TW3
your whole post is pointless desu
> is just asking for someone to barely miss it 40 times before leaving the area completely
Like this assumption for example. The game tells you where you can find sidequests, you don't miss anything IF you're looking for them, if you're not interested in doing sidequest then it's different.
>secondly, when we're talking a medieval agricultural setting, like The Witcher's, most people aren't going to be wandering too far from home unless they're fucking traders or something.
Yes, that's exactly what you find most of the time, along with soldiers. For example there is a sidequest where you walk around a battlefield and you find a survival of war, he asks you to find his brother, or what's left of his corpse, since he was fighting in the same battle.
TW3 is goty and the only open world game done right, you should really try it.
>>341314796
They already confirmed in an interview that there wont be any town and no companions.
>>341314828
the shops are all scattered in different areas so its not a hub based world
>>341314793
>Legend of Zelda: The Phantom Pain
>This link is literally Venom Link, ponytail and all
And people are saying it isn't inspired by V.
>>341314793
are you captain falcon? maybe
>>341314818
Probably only common weapons permanently break. Looks like you run into a hundred goblin clubs just walking around.
I wouldn't expect "special" weapons to break.
Can we all take a moment to appreciate that they implemented a climbing system instead of going by Skyrim climbing rules where you run back and forth and tap jump until you get up the slope?
>filler bokoblin camps and repetitive shrines everywhere
>UI elements look rushed & opening treasure chests has never looked less rewarding
>the physics-based puzzle-solving looks clunky and amateurish
>environments looks incredibly lackluster graphically and seem devoid of interesting content
>english voice acting only used for some characters make ''less important'' dialogue feel even more trivial
>camera positioning being so far away from link disconnects the player from the character and the world, making it feel less like an immersive adventure
>pic related makes the game look like a level editor
>>341314818
That also probably means that all the items you find will be worthless dime a dozen shit you can find again and again, no cool unique swords like in TW3. Then you'll just find the master sword and collecting items will become pointless.
This is not looking good fellas.
Who designed this shitty boxart?
>>341312659
>What the fuck do you want from a Zelda game?
- ALBW/ALttP-content density of Overworld
- MM Side-quests for the collectibles/heart pieces
- TP Dungeons
- SS/ST Zelda
>>341315321
Even Ocarina of Time was ahead of Skyrim in that regard, it's not exactly surprising.
>>341315168
Witcher 3 is Skyrim if it actually looked nice, as a game and RPG it's lacking in all the same areas.
>>341294332
Shitter crew is out in force today.
>>341314793
There might be a intro movie that shows Link getting into the casket or something, but I'm pretty curious to find out what the hell is going on.
>>341315416
forgot pic
>>341315482
(you)
>>341315321
Holy shit this. In every other open world rpg I have to fuck around while jumping until I get on the top. This one is not only a nice attention to details but a game changer.
>>341315190
there's wolf link
>they finally drop the linear story-driven meme and go back to the classic zelda style
>everyone complains
This is everything I wanted, the EXACT opposite of the rancid fart that was Skyward Sword, the amount you can interact with the open world makes it feel so much less like padding space.
>>341315556
Yeah I sure loved skyrim memorable characters and quests.
Oh...
>>341315830
It isnt a companion like Fi, Navi or Midna.
>>341315982
Classic Zelda was dense, every screen had something unique to it. This looks 75% empty horse riding with neat places here and there.
I hope you get horse early.
>>341298646
>hyrule fields
>hub based
People will say anything, i tell you what.
>>341315567
>MUH STRANDING
>>341315416
(you)
>>341296108
Skyrim was pretty barren too though.
>>341316146
Good
>>341316168
>I didnt watch any of the treehouse stream
There were plenty of pointless screens in Zelda that were just Octoroks, this has plenty of camps, plenty of secrets like chests underwater you need to use items to find, mini dungeons everywhere. They didnt use the horse the entire demo, showing how it isnt some huge distance to travel from place to place.
>>341297434
literally all of those are in Bethesda games you moron.
There's nothing inherently wrong with open world as long as there's shit to actually do in it.
If you want to complain about something it should be amiibo shit, the shitty framerate, weapon durability, and how forgiving it is.
>>341294332
Will it still have proper dungeons? I haven't found a definite answer.
Because as far as I am concerned they are the most important part of all Zelda games.
>>341316168
>this looks 75% empty
Source: My ass
You've seen maybe 10% of the actual game. Fuck off.
>>341316618
>There's nothing inherently wrong with open world as long as there's shit to actually do in it.
Which is why this game wont be good.
>>341315982
I agree. The open world aspect is shaping up to be less than perfect but I'd take anything over Skyward Sword levels of linearity.
>>341316667
Yes. Shrines and dungeons are different.
>>341315556
witcher 3 and skyrim aren't even in the same genre. Their similarities end at open world.
>>341316712
We've only seen a small part of it, don't be so sure.
>>341316168
you mean enemies just moving around?
>>341316667
They said on the stream that shrines and dungeons are completely different.
>>341300789
Only Majora's Mask is shit, the rest are great
>>341316804
This, just like the Skyrim games, it's going to be instanced.
Why isn't anyone asking the more important question? Are the enemiescute?
>>341317023
>the skyrim games
That is some next level trolling. If I weren't an advanced 4chan user you would've gotten me. 7/10
I am one of those faggots that didn't mind Skyrim because I liked the map muh snow and mountains and shiet, it made up for the shit-tier rest of the game. What do you guys think, will the map be as good in Zelda?
>ITT people trying to convince people that something is a clone of a clone of itself
>>341316618
>and how forgiving it is.
Yup, it seems too easy to just stack food and eat it when you get low. However, it also seems likely that they can not die in that stream, and are always left with half a heart.
>>341316709
You think the rest of the map is going to be MORE dense than the grabbing-your-attention starting experience they designed a demo around showing off?
>>341313265
Is wolf link back?
What does it do? How does it work?
>>341317608
Yes
Nothing
You buy an amiibo and he follows you around
>>341317584
I think we haven't seen the majority of the world, therefore saying the majority of the world is empty is fucking stupid.
>>341317518
What are you talking about?
>>341317518
Well to be fair it's true that Zelda used to be the innovator. The franchise that all others followed.
Now Zelda is a ctrl+c ctrl+v of Bethesda. The series went from top runner to catch-up bitch.
It is a bit too early to argue that fully however. With the game not being out yet and all.
>>341317881
>Now Zelda is a ctrl+c ctrl+v of Bethesda
Literally the only similarity is the fact that they are both open world. I guess bethesda invented open world games.
>>341317834
Again: so you think that the starting experience that they chose to showcase and make people excited about is for some reason way less dense than the rest of the world?
>>341318045
They made them big enough for everyone else to copy them.
>>341318150
I didn't say that. My god you are stupid as fuck. I'm saying we don't know if it is empty or not. There is obviously a ton of shit they haven't shown yet.
>>341315982
>disliking best zelda
Do you love the bare bones e3 demo anon?
>>341303938
bill trinen showed the guardian amiibo in the fucking stream you tremendous faggot
>>341318298
>I didn't say that. My god you are stupid as fuck. I'm saying we don't know if it is empty or not.
If you agree that what we saw seemed empty, but think that on average the rest of the world will or could be significantly less empty, then yes, that is exactly what you're saying.
>>341317881
Todd would be proud.
>>341318535
>If you're saying something could be less empty, you're saying that it is less empty
No, you retard, those aren't the same thing.
>>341317881
I disagree with Zelda being copy/paste of bethesda because the only real similarities are that it's open world and has a deep inventory system. What really makes Elder Scrolls deep is its classes and races for the hardcore players, and that's what makes it replayable.
We will have to see what Nintendo has to answer to Zelda's replayability factor
>>341315982
this desu, the world actually looks fun to be in. I'm sure there will be convenient ways to get around to prevent boredom, but actually exploring looks fun.
>>341314793
Aliens handcrafted the ultimate boypussy
>>341318669
This is meaningless semantics. Of course everything we can possibly say about the game is probabilistic. If that's seriously all you have to be an argumentative clown about, fuck off.
It is very unlikely that what they chose to show off was a sub-par representation of the game.
>>341318669
Those are exactly the same thing. Like you said, they showed us maybe 10% of the game world and it was barren as fuck. With that we can derive that the rest of the world is too without needing to see it.
>all those pop-in landscapes and trees
You could have had this shit game game back in 2007 if Nintendo would have just made a proper console on par with the Xbox 360 back then.
But instead of getting it in 2007, you now get it in 2017 instead.
But are masks back?
>>341319125
It's not meaningless semantics, you're just getting blown the fuck out.
Stop being a presumptuous fuck.
>It is very unlikely that what they chose to show off was a sub-par representation of the game.
They were showing off one facet of the game: Exploration
It's very unlikely that they would show the most impressive things in the game this far away from launch. They are going to be marketing the game for months, and will likely be showing all kinds of other shit (mini games, towns, dungeons, etc).
>>341319208
>With that we can derive that the rest of the world is too without needing to see it.
How? This makes no sense. If it were bethesda I would agree given they have a track record, but you're not even willing to give nintendo a shot at open world? That's pretty shitty, anon.
>>341295394
Zelda began as open world games.
However, they strayed away from that paradigm, especially when they made the jump to 3D. Things have been very linear for a while.
>>341319208
>>341319125
>saying something is possible is the same thing as saying it's a fact
wew
>>341319320
Why do they insist on having that stupid meter? Why do they feel the need to restrict a player's movement? I fucking hate Nintendo sometimes. It's like if the zipline from Just Cause had a cooldown or something.
>>341319320
I didn't even notice that live
I hope they'll improve that on the NX version oh wait
>>341319710
>OoT
>not open world
>>341319320
The pop-in is so bad that it actually kills the hype for me.
>>341319320
It'll be 60 fps and 4k on NX, for sure.
>>341312659
>you're dropped into with little to no explanation, mini-dungeons to search for, better combat, better exploration
See, that's EVERY open-world sandbox game EVER.
You literally described any shitty Bethesda game, or Ubisoft game, or Dragon's Dogma, or Horizon, etc etc etc
"there are 100+ dungeons to explore!" Is such a hype phrase than means nothing anymore because we've all fallen to it 5, 7, 10 years ago and know what it means. Bland individual dungeons.
OpenWorld sandbox also means bland small-scale (moment to moment) level design, and bland enemy placement, all of which were confirmed in the stream.
Zelda is the typical open world game with its own gimmicks, but it's VERY MUCH a "been there done that" thing.
>>341319320
I want to lie to myself and say that they still have some dev time left, but I've always been wrong about that so here it is boys. That's the game.
>>341319574
>They were showing off one facet of the game: Exploration
So... literally the one area where density is most important?
>It's very unlikely that they would show the most impressive things in the game this far away from launch.
Yeah, it's just an E3 with 100% focus on a massive gameplay blowout of a single game. It's not like they want to get people excited about it or anything.
>>341319743
Everything is always "possible". No, I'm not going to couch every thing I post in "but of course, anything could happen!".
The Legend of Dark Souls, the Shadow of Minecrafted Skyrim of SSX Tricky
>>341319791
I didn't even know the glider had that. I was really hyped about gliding off of a tall mountain and similar shit.
>>341319320
This is almost as bad as Dragons Dogma
>>341320050
you think they're just gunna twiddle their thumbs for the next 9 MONTHS
it'll run better on the NX
WE DEAD SPACE NOW
>Voice acting
Don't do this Nintendo, please don't.
>>341320093
>So... literally the one area where density is most important?
Depends on what you mean by density. If you mean minigames, npcs, towns, etc, then no that isn't important in exploration. They were showing off the mechanics that allow you to explore (climbing, gliding) as well as combat. This has nothing to do with "density".
>Everything is always "possible"
No, no it really isn't. The game is the game. It will either be empty, or it wont. Time will tell, and until then you should try not to be such a cunt.
>>341320446
why the fuck not.
>>341319574
>If it were bethesda I would agree given they have a track record, but you're not even willing to give nintendo a shot at open world? That's pretty shitty, anon
The Wind Waker says hi. And I did give them another chance. I didn't shit on them when they first revealed that this game would be open world. Now that I've seen it in action it's clear it's an barren piece of shit.
>>341319320
Witcher 1 look better.
>>341320548
> If you mean minigames, npcs, towns, etc, then no that isn't important in exploration.
When on earth did I talk about any of these? And what is their connection with density of content?
>It will either be empty, or it wont. Time will tell, and until then you should try not to be such a cunt.
Kay.
Thread's over everyone, no discussion until the game is out. See you guys again in nine months.
>>341319947
Well, I hope for you the best mate.
I already gave up on them.
>>341320958
Morrowind looks better
>>341320875
It's going to be cringey as fuck. If you're going to do voices it should be an incomprehensible made up dialect like it's been before.
>>341295452
It's hilarous witnessing all these nintendrones on suicide watch. They always made arguments about how Zelda's butchered open world was a stylistic design choice not a sign of inferiority, compared to the obsessively expansive open/empty WRPGs, now Zelda is literally designed like one of those western open world games.
And suddenly, the game is amazing and already proclaimed GOTY.
Drones are cute. Like a retarded duckling that struggles to walk straight cute.
>>341319320
NINTENDO IS DEAD TO ME
DEAD
E
A
D
IT LOOKS LIKE FUCKING GARBAGE. WHAT THE FUCKKKKKKK
>>341320875
Gee, it sure is boring around here
>>341320875
Because it confirms they wasted a massive amount of time and budget on meaningless shit?
>>341321116
>When on earth did I talk about any of these? And what is their connection with density of content?
Why don't you explain what you fucking mean by density of content? Are those things not content? Also, I never claimed you were talking about those, they were fucking examples you illiterate faggot.
>implying you wanted to discuss anything, and not just shit all over a game you know almost nothing about
You're not fooling anyone anon.
>>341319320
I really don't like this game up until now and I didn't even notice this.
Now I actually think it's garbage.
Fucking hell Nintendo. I know I shouldn't be surprised, but still. Delaying this game for nearly 2 years, and then we get this shit?
Finally, we can all agree, Nintendo is out of touch
>>341302740
It's really hard to overstate the influence Ultima IV would go on to have on RPGs and the open world genre in general.
I mean, fuck's sake, the thing didn't even have a boss or evil army to conquer or anything. You won by becoming spiritually enlightened.
>>341320935
>Wind Waker
>similar design as BotW
I guess neckbeards really can't be reasonable.
>>341319320
Still, this isn't as bad as dynamic resolution.
>>341319320
this looks amazing.when can i play it on my pc? how's wii-u emulation going?
>>341319320
What about a Cel shading that look cool?
>>341321762
They're both open world and they're both barren and boring.
>>341322069
I don't know what point you're making with this
it looks like shit
>>341300480
Yes, and?
Nobody is claiming that no game can copy another.
It's how little zelda there is this in zelda. Swap the character and the name, and you'll mistake it one of the thousand survival indie games out there.
Zelda has lost relevance and a leading position in the industry. Now Zelda has to copy the features in other games, where it once was the other way around.
Surely you have to agree to this, right? You cannot be this much of a drone otherwise.
>weapon pick-up in the environment
>food collecting heals you
>general resource collecting for crafting
>point of interest minimap with activities
>apparel choice
>weapon durability
>>341322102
All the zelda games have boring worlds. There is literally nothing to do in 90% of the world.
>>341322069
I hope you don't mean your pic because that isn't cel shading.
>>341322197
Compared to that Zelda game?
It look good and detailed.
>nobody's edited that webm of link being stylish as fuck on his shield with tony hawk scoring numbers/text
anons pls
>>341321421
>Why don't you explain what you fucking mean by density of content? Are those things not content?
You seem to have a concept of "empty", considering that this discussion started with the idea that even if what we saw looked "75% empty", the rest of the map won't be. Think "empty", but in reverse, rather than a massive world with nothing much unique to do in it and a lot of enemy camps with redundant rewards.
>Also, I never claimed you were talking about those, they were fucking examples you illiterate faggot.
Examples of... what, exactly?
>implying you wanted to discuss anything
Thanks for deciding my thoughts for me.
>>341321148
that's a lot of assumptions to make
>>341321351
massive amount of time and budget to make the game more immersive yes good point
>>341321318
10/10 argument
>yesterday on /v/
Open world games are a fucking cancer on gaming that is way too overdone.
>today on /v/
Open world games are fucking awesome and have always been awesome! Thank you Based Nintendo!
Really, /v/?
>>341311534
No, you're not forced to go from dungeon to dungeon. You can go to any dungeon at any time from anywhere in the world, and you are free to take whatever path you want, crossing whichever city you want
>>341322436
So you can't even give examples of content you want in the world to make it not empty?
>Examples of... what, exactly?
Content
>Thanks for deciding my thoughts for me.
You made up your mind about a game that you've seen ~10% of. How could you possibly discuss it rationally?
>>341322585
This level of confirmation bias is unreal.
There are easily more people shitting on this than praising it.
>>341322585
>Open world games are always bad meme
>>341322627
Why does the fact that you have to go to specific areas at specific times detract from the open world genre? TES is still zone based.
Plus it's still like that in TES; You can't get to the final area without going to where the story quests tell you to go at specific times.
>>341322585
>/v/ is one person
>>341322936
>defending a game you've seen 10% of
Your own argument works incredibly well against you too.
>>341323027
I ultimately agree with you anon, but Morrowind was a long fucking time ago. How many really good open world games have come out since then? Like, half a dozen maybe? Out of the ten or so that release each year? Morrowind came out at a time where open world just wasn't really possible and proved that it could be done well, almost everything afterwards has been a cheap imitation.
>>341322936
>Content
But we were always discussing content. That's what you explore in order to find. If they were just examples of general content rather than a specific type, are you saying that, in this discussion of how much spare or dense the world will be, I shouldn't talk about what stuff there is to find at all?
>You made up your mind about a game that you've seen ~10% of.
No, I've said that if this looked empty to you, then expecting the rest of the map to be less empty is foolish.
>>341323285
>Your own argument works incredibly well against you too.
No it doesn't, because I'm not the one who is certain of anything. For all I know, the game could be shit. I'm just not willing to condemn it yet. You suck at logic.
>>341323430
New Vegas was decent.
>>341322353
doesn't look like cel shading at all
>>341323517
*how sparse or dense
>>341323517
>But we were always discussing content. That's what you explore in order to find.
And yet you haven't even given one single example of the kind of content you want, in order to make the world more dense.
>No, I've said that if this looked empty to you, then expecting the rest of the map to be less empty is foolish.
I don't expect anything, I want to see more of the game before I form my opinion.
>>341323609
New Vegas was made by a team that's very experienced with developing RPG's on a framework specifically built for open world games. Nintendo is pretty much entirely new to this, and I think I'm justifiably worried.
>>341323671
cartooney if you prefer.
>>341323430
>Like, half a dozen maybe?
That's kind of a lot honestly. I'd say maybe even a few more. Doesn't seem like a small number of games for 15 years, especially given that the open world craze caught on not long ago.
>>341311316
>tfw link is feminine and girly and we will never see masculine link from OOT again
>>341323832
>And yet you haven't even given one single example of the kind of content you want, in order to make the world more dense.
Stuff to find that I want to do. Again, you clearly know what "empty" means, so the opposite of that.
>I don't expect anything, I want to see more of the game before I form my opinion.
Again, anything "could" happen until we've all seen 100% of the game. That does not mean that we can't already talk about what is highly likely or unlikely to see from the game.
