>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEQM9sbQ4fk
What went wrong?
>>341250894
I blame the base building shitters
>>341250894
>What went wrong?
muh compstomp dow1 fags
>>341250894
>pre-alpha
They thought the fans wouldn't be so autistic to spaz out about a very early build.
>10 seconds in
>BLUD WAYVENZ
I'm excited.
Also, whats wrong with it, OP?
>>341250943
Whats wrong with base building?
>>341251005
I don't understand? Whats wrong with the trailer?
>>341250894
The official trailer looks worse than that video with german commentary over it posted earlier yesterday, well done Relic. Actually looks good compared to the snoozefest that was "Setup Support and Flank II".
>>341250894
>>341250943
>>341251005
>>341251021
>4 posters in this thread
Well, we know who I am, so one of you autists is samefagging.
Whats wrong OP? Can't handle base building?
>>341251569
>this post happens
>number of posters doesn't go up
>>341251701
There will never be a thread where you aren't retarded huh?
I think that was a pretty bland planet/environment to showcase promo shots of and also the voice actor for gabriel is noticeably different.
also relic has been dead since DoW2
Literally looks like they based everything off of DOTA, holy fuck I hate DOTA for ruining RTS games
>>341250894
Honestly though, besides from the overly large flashes, what is wrong with this?
Besides chaos not being there of course.
>>341252198
Are you retarded anon? What exactly is ASSFAGGOTS about controlling MULTIPLE squads with BASE BUILDING.
>>341252292
I've got my eye on you
>focus on hero units
fuck that shit
also something about the visuals is off. i cant put my finger on it, but the game doesnt look good.
>>341250894
>Chapter Master Angelos
RETRIBUTION SEQUEL CONFIRMED
>>341252607
Well yeah, 3 does come after 2.
>>341252292
>shitty VA for gabriel
>uninspired map
>terminators jumping 10 meters into the air
>no cover, no tactics, just 2 armies standing in place and shooting eachother
>also shitty graphics, animations and performance, though this could still be fixed
>we want clarity, the players should be able to know what is going on in the heat of battle
>you can't see a damn thing due to the special effects being fuckhuge
boring faction selection, and only the knight looks good... meh
>pre-alpha
well, ill give them time to fix their shit mistake
>>341252795
All of these things can be fixed with time anon.
We just have to not jump to conclusions like rabid idiots and wait for later gameplay videos to show what is coming. Perhaps they will give the terminators teleport packs later on.
>>341252408
They've already confirmed that they took heavy inspiration from DOTA and it shows in the oversimplified and oversaturated artstyle alone. God knows what kind of bullshit gameplay mechanics they borrowed too
>>341250894
Christ do the Blood Ravens had a geneseed defect that makes them change voice every now and then?
And I just want to see a full skirmish game to see how it actually fucking plays
>>341252795
>being to blind to see return of morale
>not seeing the abilities by different squads being used
>not seeing the obvious circular cover the eldar were using
Is everybody just straight up braindead today?
>>341252865
It's the most readable DoW so far.
>>341253149
Yeah, things like base building and unit abilities and controlling armies ha ha fucking DOTA clones am i rite.
>>341253149
>They've already confirmed that they took heavy inspiration from DOTA
>>341251608
it's all about artstyle man, just look at it
the animations, models, and even voice acting
everything looks like cartoon
>>341250894
>The knight is underpowered as fuck
I knew it lmao
>>341250894
I think those RTS are trying to sell itself based on explosion effects only.
Geoff interviewed the director for Halo Wars 2 and all he kept saying about the gameplay they were showing was how the explosions look great, and the flaming effects, and how they wanted all to look nice.
It's like they are taking purchase from RTS fans for granted and are desperate for dudebros to give it a chance because it can be "Button-->Awersome" like other games.
>>341253120
They won't change core gameplay elements such as how the armies engage each other. They already confirmed that there will be no cover other that the designated magic circles on the floor. That means most of the time we will just see two armies standing in wide open fields, just shooting until one side loses, which looks completely retarded and feels like a step back.
>>341253785
Oh man if only we could have the deep tactical gameplay of:
Set up support weapon
Pin enemy
Flank with assault troopers
Win engagement
This is a return to form where army compositions and their active/passive abilities will lead to either losing or winning, not who can set up his heavy bolter first.
>>341253543
>Pre-Alpha balancing
>>341250894
- Graphics too cartoony. DoW1 + 2 were fine. Units loyal to the models and environment real enough. This looks like crap.
- No cover system, though it's alpha so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt it's in their to-do list.
- No Paul Dobson, and I'm again going to give them the benefit that this is a developer throwing his token
- Not enough units. This is tacti shit. Give me numbers. Give me a wank fest of a meat grinding battlefield. I want to see an organized horde of imperial guard dug in with artillery cannons that fire as timely as an atomic clock, trying to stop a never-ending orkish tide. This is a video game so might as well make use of the medium and stay true to the lore. Focus more on strategy, not tactics.
- Need to see more information on base building
- Supposedly no Supreme Commander/Total Annihilation mechanics. Fuck that. I want to queue 20 barracks and dig in before turtling hard with artillery, or start up a second front with a blitzkrieg opener spearheaded by a Baneblade and five columns of leman russ battle tanks.
- Heroes look far too dominant, Warcraft 3 style. Heroes should be noticeable, and perhaps even battle changing, but they should not be the main focus.
- Underage samefaggot jumpstarting his campaign for another shitty RTT
>>341253149
Dota is the opposite of simplified
>>341254747
read it again moron, he is talking about the way it looks
>>341253785
It could be improved by having cover, but not in the way that DoW2 did it. It wasn't right how it worked, but I can't think of a better way to get it done.
If you have any suggestions on how to fix it, I'll sadly lower my hopes for you.
What's so bad about the trailer?
We got numbers and building back, it's DoW1 again baby!
For pre-alpha the game looks fine. Cartoony aesthetic is jarring though.
I want to see tanks and WAAAAUUUGGH next.
the good news is that it's not MOBAfied like some people were speculating, you seem to have control over all your units
standing out in the open looks kinda weird having playing so much DoW2 but I guess it's pretty much what DoW1 was like
overall it seems kinda meh, they should have probably worked on it some more before showing gameplay
Why does it look so bad...
>Animations are horribly clunky as if moving at 10-15FPS
>almost no texture fidelity, extreme flat surfaces
>everything is shiny again
How could you justify lower quality than Dawn of war 2
Looks good
>>341256756
Because early footage, silly anon.
>>341256858
The game is going for a diablo/dota2 look which is fucking horrible, and there's no excuse for releasing a trailer that doesnt even have a stable FPS rate, it screams under-prepared.
Give me Company of heroes: 40k I dont want a Dawn of War to become StarCraft
>>341254594
In regards to heroes, I think DOW 2 did it the best. Not one man armies but can really influence the tide of battle with the right use.
>>341257272
Have some faith in relic
They can't balance for shit but their warhammer streak is excellent so far
>Company of Heroes almost perfectly encapsulates the nature of the tabletop
>Game number 3 and they're moving even close to Skirmish based moba shit because holy fuck Valve is making so much money
why
>>341254594
>- No cover system, though it's alpha so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt it's in their to-do list.
Nope, this is the final cover system.
>- Not enough units. This is tacti shit. Give me numbers. Give me a wank fest of a meat grinding battlefield. I want to see an organized horde of imperial guard dug in with artillery cannons that fire as timely as an atomic clock, trying to stop a never-ending orkish tide. This is a video game so might as well make use of the medium and stay true to the lore. Focus more on strategy, not tactics.
They've already implied that the focus is on micro and it seems that strategy will have nothing to do with it.
>- Supposedly no Supreme Commander/Total Annihilation mechanics. Fuck that. I want to queue 20 barracks and dig in before turtling hard with artillery, or start up a second front with a blitzkrieg opener spearheaded by a Baneblade and five columns of leman russ battle tanks.
Too bad, have a MOBA.
>- Heroes look far too dominant, Warcraft 3 style. Heroes should be noticeable, and perhaps even battle changing, but they should not be the main focus.
See above.
You're far too hopeful, anon.
>>341256858
Early DoW2 looks better than this
>>341254913
>we got numbers back
What? We saw DoW2 multiplayer sized """armies""". The map also looked cramped as fuck.
Also
>new cover system is the same as in dow1 but looks silly as fuck since instead of craters they use 3 walls
>hero units blatantly overpowered, in dow1 they were strong but a couple of squads could outdamage them
>"basebuilding" is just the same as DoW for the most part, although I don't mind
Also all you "b-but its just a pre-alpha, you can't make assumptions" can fuck off. If they show footage it is represantive of what direction the game will be going.
Overall disappointing.
Looks shitty, but then again it's pre alpha.
Do we know yet if it's going to be like DoW 1 or 2?Please be 2.
>>341257884
Its an abomination that is a mix of those two for good and bad.
GUESS WE'LL JUST HAVE TO KEEP ON WAITING FOR A DECENT RTS LIKE SUPREME COMMANDER
>>341258081
>Its an abomination that is a mix of those two for good and bad.
Source? I can't imagine how that would work well.
Unless they mean DoW1 with actually good and fun combat.
>>341257518
Did you watch the video? I mean I know you didn't so here's your reply.
>>341258229
>source
Uhh how about the fucking gameplay that was show??
>>341253504
Apparently detailed models are too confusing for the average player.
>>341258308
It's pre alpha with some dudes just standing there and shooting eachother. That can't be it.
>>341254294
Lol bolters are weak as fuck without proper support you fucking retarded puss. Just flank with any sort of melee and they are shredded.
>>341258229
>amount of units on screen about the same as DoW2
>so called basebuilding is basically just popping upgrades on top of a platform, so no builders and free reign on where you want to build
>cover system from DoW1 but it looks a bit silly
>even more focus on hero units than in DoW2 because lmao MOBAs are popular
>>341257760
That's nice anon. I'm going to wait for later footage to come out. If it continues to look like shit, and they don't tone down the stupid visual effects then I'll wait for it to be cheap/pirate it.
>>341250894
everything
>>341250894
Looks like a fucking ASSFAGGOTS game.
I really just wanted a more expansive (and possibly a bit less symmetrical) DoWII.
After playing II for probably a hundred hours I can't go back to DoW. The issue isn't basebuilding, it's the units and the cover system. DoW doesn't reward the player very well for making good use of cover, because "cover" is just a big crater in the ground instead of objects on the battlefield.
Also, no nids. Only three races at launch was confirmed already, I think. Orks, Eldar, Spess Mahreens. That's fucking it.
>>341257880
It will be a representative of the game direction when we have a second piece of footage. So far we have 1 prerendered cutscene and 1 gameplay viedo. Those are two unconnected points, and don't have a direction until they connect to another point of the same type.
>>341258263
Enjoy your rock bottom standards anon and prepare for disappointment
The video had framerate drops with about as many units on screen as Dawn of war II
>>341258572
>i-its j-just a p-pre-alpha
Then comes
>i-its just an alpha
>i-its just a beta
>i-it only just released they'll patch it
>i-i don't want to be alone
Come the fuck on. "alpha" or not the core gameplay will not see any sort of meaningful improvements from what we saw.
>>341252408
>basebuilding is pointless because you could replace buildings with upgrades trees in the HQ tabs with units spawning around it, and 99% of battles would play out completely the same
>some claim they removed outposts and turrets, so it's even more fucking pointless than 1
>you got 3 heroes that are important because they are so important it seems that it will be always better to retreat with them and heal them, than risk death
>non hero units seem to have little customization and adaptability, it's confirmed that they don't really do much and can only do damage in high numbers
It seems that 3 is only about precisely controlling your heroes in their slow and careful advance against the enemy base, while you position the non hero units around them and then leave them be, firing at everything from a static position.
It plays exactly like a MOBA, except that you control 3 heroes instead of one, and you have to manually move the non-hero units but they essentially play the same as the weak NPCs in MOBAs.
>>341250894
Dawn of War was never that great to begin with, but the first games had a fresh consept and we liked the franchise
>>341250894
I was hoping the scale would be a wee bit larger.
It just looks like DoW2 with little titans.
They literally want the MOBA and hard of hearing/seeing crowd. Take a look at the Eurogamer interview article. Relic wants MOBA elements, and are pushing mechanics so that that the audio/visual is easy to interpret.
Heroes will handle like MOBA characters, along with animations and sound.
Apparently people have trouble defining which units are which so they're going for an 'easy to read' style that also complements the figurines.
you can't even build the whole unit rooster in a game, you can make all the troops but you have to select which 3 elite units you want to be able to build before the game
>>341259193
I used to be optimistic as fuck but this looks worse than the Dawn of War II pre-alpha which was extremely close in terms of gameplay to the final product.
It's interesting that they'er throwing out such a huge fuck you to the tabletop and fans of the lore to cash in on the apparent interest in cartoon graphics that Diablo 3, Dota2 and Starcraft seem to succeed with
>>341250894
Fuck this shit.
>>341250894
>What went wrong?
Your shit taste. I'll bet you prefer DaW 2 over DaW 1 you fucking pleb.
>>341250894
While from the trailer you can't see TOO much gameplay, it doesn't look super promising.
The art style is wrong as fuck, the maps looks flat and boring in the same way a map with place-hold textures would. The units are too bright, as if all their equipment is straight off the press.I don't care if it's prealpha, there is no way they're not going to get the graphics on point for trailers and you're delusional if you think they'll change it enough to make a difference
>>341259494
Mobas were built out of rts anyway you stupid nigger of course they share mechanics
i dont see the problem here
crappy quality video
obviously staged footage from a map editor
how can you even make a proper judgement?
>>341259962
Here's your (you). Try not to spend it all at once champ.
>>341259962
Heroes aren't common in RTS. It's a WC3 feature.
>>341260068
It's not gook clickshit, so they don't like it. Remember - every RTS has to be like Starcarft 2, or it's bad.
>15 FPS with about as many units on screen as Dawn of war II
>Shiny eldar again
>shiny everything
>completely flat boring terrain with voids all around, how fucking exciting
>barely any frames of animation, awkward and clunky movement even for Space Marines
>Coloured blobs for projectiles
>identical circular cover system for everyone
>buildings are all flat pads, one even uses the mining tank used by the Death Korps of Kreig as the model for a drop-pod for no reason.
>Jumping terminators
This looks like moba shit for babies, RTS isnt interesting when its basic. I was hype for Dawn of war II and enjoyed it despite being Skirmish based which isn't the direction 40k should be taking. Company of Heroes exists and it's a fantastic RTS model, perfect level of complexity to make matches interesting and fits the mechanics of the 40k tabletop
40k slapped onto a half asked RTS model copied off a moba isnt good game design. Who is this game for, it certainly doesn't look like 40k fans
>>341260068
Thats exactly the problem, its a tailored gameplay video, supposed to show off the game in all its glory and it looks like complete dogshit.
>>341250894
>Can't get the scale of units right for the sake of "gameplay" as if there wasn't a way around it
>Framerate drops in official footage.... just why?
>H O R R I B L E art direction with over saturated colors because RTS players are apparently babies and need NEON PURPLE to see which units are the bad guys
>Very underwhelming animations with no weight to them
Wew lad, just... wew
>>341250894
>What went wrong?
Pandering to autistic DoW1fags who don't dive a fuck about gameplay and only want muh ebig battles and muh base building.
>>341260209
They've always been a thing in DoW but this is ridiculous.
I usually just rushed for Grey Knights+Chaplain combo as SM because of how fucking tanky it was but as Chaos I usually just toseed my Lord in with a squad of cultists because my real focus was on spamming defilers and Beserkers.
Once I got a beserzerker squad at capacity I would put my Lord in it, assuming he was still alive. If he wasn't it wasn't a big deal because they would survive without him.
>>341260891
That's right. Now kindly fuck off while we get the game we've been asking for since the giant bore that was DoW2.
>>341250894
So what the fuck is this game going to be? It just looks like a linear tug o war, is that really what the gameplay is gonna boil down to?
>>341260891
this, pretty much
>>341260804
You literally dont know anything about the gameplay
you saw a few fast cuts of a shitty 360p youtube vid thats it
you didn't even see the orks
>>341259896
>DaW
Dawn a War
Nice reply you illiterate, this looks like a visually worse version of DoWII with more micro focus and MOBA elements which the dev has already confirmed were inspiration, it's objectively shit if you had even the slightest interest in the source material.
>>341259896
But dow3 looks much more like dow2 than 1. You're not making any sense anon
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-06-13-dawn-of-war-3s-new-art-style-explained
>>341260209
DOTA is a WC3 mod
there were no mobas before wc3
>>341261219
>it's objectively shit
Spoken like a true DoW2 pleb. Stick to Starcraft 2, I don't need you shitting up my DoW.
>>341261221
>But dow3 looks much more like dow2
You need to go back to DoW1-3 and understand why your statement is false
>>341261160
>Video is called gameplay footage
a developer puts out 3 videos all supposedly demonstrating gameplay, yes im going to make comments on gameplay based on those videos.
Im watching in 1080,60FPS, you cant blame youtube compression for making the game look like a mess
In case anyone is out of the loop
>DoW1 releases and is widely popular, combining 40k lore and good RTS gameplay
>DoW2 releases and is praised for its campaign, but hated for its skirmish mode and its departure from RTS gameplay
>DoW3 announces its going back to DoW1 roots, DoW2 fags are upset
Everyone can stop talking about DoW1/DoW2 now, and talk about what you hope/expect from DoW3. I must say there was a distinct lack of unit variety which was disappointing.
>>341261396
>there were no mobas before wc3
you clearly don't know what your talking about
>>341261241
>So, what's developer Relic going for with Dawn War 3? Game director Philippe Boulle told Eurogamer the new art style is all about making the game more responsive - and yes, that's an approach in part inspired by MOBAs.
Fuck it, end it all.
>>341260603
Are you fucking retarded? Alright shill, I'll explain what people want so you can take it to your boss or whatever.
Warhammer 40k has the potential for massive scale epic conflicts. People want a Supreme Commander, the best strategy game ever, but with a 40k skin.
That's why people are angry. The trailer showed just more DoW2 tier small scale tactics and it is painfully obvious you can't wield thousands of troops on multiple fronts.
Nobody wants this to be Starcraft because SC already exists.
>>341261507
>So illiterate cant even tell when someone he's replying to has the same opinion
You must have trouble day to day, have you considered finishing highschool
>Fucking Gabriel Angelos doing a front flip in fucking terminator armor
>Cartoony moba graphics style
>Shit framerate
>Rubish clunky animations
>Awful voice acting
>Boring shit gameplay, no cover system
>Shit base building, if I remember correctly there will be no defensive buildings, no turrets, no walls nothing
As a huge 40k fan, I really wanted this to be good. For years I've been googling dawn of war 3 hoping to hear something. But this is just shit, I am disappointed.
>>341261241
FUCK
GOD DAMMIT
>>341261095
Best of it is that the game looks more like a shite version of DoW2 only with DoW1's garbage cover system and a really simple base-building system. The scale is still smaller than DoW1.
Enjoy, faggot.
>>341258572
Retard, the game is going to look like this with some altered lighting, didn't you see how shitty it ran? That means every work done on the engine will be optimization to make it run on standard PCs, they aren't going to make it more detailed.
>>341261241
>"And then it's also about putting ourselves in that science fantasy space. We're dealing with large armies and over-the-top units, so it's not about every scratchy detail on an individual Space Marine's shinguard. It's about seeing that squad of Space Marines that stands out, and I understand where they are, I can see them moving, I can see what weapon they're firing because it's really crisp and clear, and they are in the colours I chose for them, and it stands out. That's what that art style is about."
This faggot has no idea about game design or art design.
Someone please sacrifice him to the Chaos gods.
>>341261546
AoS was not a moba
>>341251005
>multiplayer only garbage
Off yourself my good man.
>>341250894
this is actually pretty fine.
Flashy but fine.
JESUS FUCK I JUST WANT COMPANY OF HEROES 40K WITH BASE BUILDING
WHY IS THIS TOO MUCH TO ASK?
Read the thread, just some reminders for you cucks
DoW2 early footage wasn't pre-alpha, stop comparing it
this is pre-alpha, it'll look shit and run shit, stop complaining about these things.
We honestly saw NO gameplay, this shit was a fucking campaign mission that was stripped of everything but some animations and shootings
Shit gameplay reveal, oh well.
>>341261095
I never asked for more DoW2 small scale shit with "basebuilding" that is just static upgrades with visuals and Heroes that overpower dozens of units at once.
DoW3 is in no way even remotely like DoW1 as far as what has been shown goes.
>>341261586
they have never even come close to supreme commander scale before in their games nor have they hinted it would be on such a large scale
>>341261241
Here is two more pieces of diarrhea for you boys.
>So, Dawn of War 3's brighter, more cartoony art style had me a little worried at first. But I get the trade-off: by switching the game's look, Relic is able to create a gameplay feel that's more modern, that's more in-line with the expectations of the millions who play MOBAs every day. It's a design decision.
>"That's not to say we're not paying attention to the MOBA space, and the lessons that come from that. We play MOBAs. We love them. Things like The Last Stand mode from Dawn of War 2 lived in that MOBA space even before the big players.
Literally chasing ASSFAGGOTS since they are now the ''norm''.
>>341250894
Why does it look like a MOBA?
>>341261775
This, the scale is smaller, it looks like shit, it's a total disappointment and they already have been talking of elite units which you can use to customize you army and only these units can level up (to 10), they are also interchargable between sp and mp, this is also DLC fodder similar to CoH2 commanders.
Want an avatar as your elite choice? pay out 4,99€
it looks good although the graphics could be better and the performance is awful
dow2fags can eat a dick
Someone post the chick with blue hair, relic is a SJW company now, it's not the same that made CoH1,DoW1 and homeworld.
>>341261586
>I'll explain what people want so you can take it to your boss or whatever.
Except lot of people wanted what DoW 1 had, not DoW: Company of Heroes Edition. Stop speaking on behalf of every DoW fan you fucking retard. Many people (including myself) are happy with this direction because it's closer to what made the original fun.
You can continue to base your entire opinion of a game that's not even released yet on 2 minutes of alpha footage, but you may understand why I think you're a mouth breather for doing so.
>>341261538
Let me fix that for you
>DoW3 is announced to be more like DoW1 and everyone is excited
>then the footage we see shows its an aborted child of both games with the worst parts of both and now everyone is upset except the few who desperately try to ignore the footage and just claim "I-ITS JUST LIKE DOW1 WHAT ARE YOU SAYING!!1!"
>>341261095
Enjoy your shit game you fucking faggot.
It's going to die quicker than dawn of war 2 did lmfao
>>341262216
>chick has blue hair
>MUH SJW BOOGEYMAN
I'll have you know one of the best devs out there rn is a girl with pink hair and piercings everywhere (cities skyline's devs)
>One of the very few PC exclusives that isn't kickstarter or early access crap
>it's still shit
I'm done, bros
>this 1 vs 2 faggotry
You people are official worse than Soulsfags
Fucking all of you kill yourselves
>>341262267
DoW1 had cutting edge graphics for the time a fitting scale for warhammer, synch-kills that looked amazing (bloodthirser - fc sync or ava-bloodthirster one, the dreds and many others), this game hasn't show a single of them, the graphics look like trash for a game from 2016 and the scale looks smaller than DoW1 judging by marines unit counts in squads.
>>341262553
Please leave your consolewar falseflagging shit-stirring in console threads
>>341262216
>le ebin ess jay doubleewe may may
jesus fuck if someone dying their hair is going to put you off a company how the fuck have you made it this long?
oh yeah that's right its because you never go outside
>>341262439
>boogeyman
>coh1,dow1,dow1, homeworld 1&2 were amazing
>fast foward to today, coh2 is garbage, dow3 is shaping up to be trash
>>341250894
Nothing, it's perfect representation of tabletop source.
>>341262814
>coh2 is garbage
sure buddy. post your playercard.
>>341262902
inactive since october, but unlike you who are proably some team games shitter I got to top 50 with all factions minus brits.
>>341262814
>coh2 is garbage
Congrats on ensuring your post gets trashed.
>>341262902
gb2 coh2.org
>>341253149
How is that possible
DoW3 looks like a Diablo 3 clone artstyle-wise through and through
>>341262814
russian detected
>>341261396
Aeon of Strife nigger, look it up.
>>341262689
I never once mentioned consoles, what the fuck are you smoking?
I'm just stating the sad fact that nowadays a lot of devs rely on kickstarter or early access and for the most part it doesn't end well. It's rare to see a game developed without cancerous crowdfunding/pre-ordering schemes and it's sad to see that even that doesn't result in a solid experience.
>>341263043
make me.
>>341262990
>I went to top 50
>but it was last october
*tips
>>341263129
D3 and dota artstyle are the same. It's cartoony.
>>341263279
No they aren't. LoL is cartoony, Dota isn't.
>>341262054
I played TLS because it was less stressful than multiplayer, mostly because I'm trash at RTS and I know it, but still enjoy the genre.
>>341261538
>DoW3 announces its going back to DoW1 roots, DoW2 fags are upset
Except that's not happening you fucking mong. Your regular units matter less now than they ever have. DoW3 is looking to be like DoW2 early game, but stretched over the entire length of a match-heroes are the best units, nothing can stand up to them. While you could get to walkers and elite units that would fuck up or zone out most heroes (barring things like Techmarine and Lord General, who aren't really melee fighters) and then force your enemy to either invest resources in their hero or buy units to counter what you're doing, you don't have that option. Heroes are the only important units in the game now, so who cares?
Also, i'm legitimately upset that I can't do dank Ravener outflanks anymore.
I love how the russians got assmad at the coh2 campaign.
>watch the trailer
>looks good as fuck
>its a RTS
fuck
>>341262886
I still don't know why the art in the new Tau book is so shit. What the fuck happened, GW?
>>341250894
>units advancing forward along a linear path
>DOTA esque art style
>angelos sounds retarded
>implying it won't be some shitty moba anyway
Oh well.
>>341263354
>dota is a mature game for mature gamers like myself
>>341263205
>co-op
>no concept of heroes
>no levelling up
>no items
AoS was more like a defense map, except you had to kill the AI base at the end
>>341263373
early game units were still key for factions that had small model sizes like the spess mahreens and elfdar
>>341263648
>things I never said
>>341263354
Yeah it is. The colours are less brights and vibrant but it's still cartoony. You'd have to be blind to not see it.
>>341263253
Good god you really are from there, aren't you? Jesus Christ what a fucking cesspool of fucking retards that forum is.
>>341263729
How is this cartoony?
Is Half-Life cartoony too?
>>341263373
>talking about DoW3 like you know everything about it
You can keep posting, but only your knob jockey friends are gonna find it agreeable.
>>341263729
don't be silly, that's not cartoony,
that's animey
anime as we all know is much more mature
>female space marines
I'll pass on DoW3.
>>341262886
Those Space Marines are way off in size. Tau average at a size of 4 feet, making them smaller than the average human. Space Marines at their shortest is like 6 feet
>>341264076
I know right?
Fucking SJWs ruining everything
>>341263696
This is shaping to be different, it's confirmed in the german gameplay videos that only heroes and elite units level up the "normal" unit don't and from how they get trashed in the trailer (which of course shouldn't be a basis to judge balance) still it makes them look like they will be cannon fodder for the "real" units.
>>341264076
Probably an Inquisitor, you neckbeard.
>>341264172
gonna need source on that, literally everything I can think of has depicted fire cast as being like five and a half feet.
>>341262054
DoW3 confirmed for shit boys, everybody go home, our hopes of a non Starcraft RTS are shattered
>>341264076
>knight titan pilot
>why isn't it a male.
>>341264219
I want to see how that pans out to be honest. Like you said gameplay trailers are not indicative of gameplay balance.
Why couldn't they just expand DOWII with some base camp shit and call it a day? Why is Gabe flipping around in fucking terminator armor and a hammer?
>>341264374
>>341264076
The woman is in the Knight.
>>341263851
What is wrong with your eyes? Have you played nothing but cartoony games your entire life?
Here's an example of a top down game with non cartoony graphics. Look at the details on the rocks, look at the lightning. Come on man it's not that hard to tell the difference.
My hype is kill.
At least Total Warhammer was good. I'd kill for CA to take a swing at 40k
Also does anyone have the "You Deserve Exterminatus" edit it this image?
>>341263567
holy shit that's not actual art from a book is it?
surely that's fan art.
i can answer your question, though: it's because artists don't learn actual painting skill anymore; they just take shortcuts and photobash shit together.
>>341264669
>Why is Gabe flipping around in fucking terminator armor and a hammer?
>>341260891
Posts aren't shares, anon. Just because you're responsible for 51% of the posts doesn't mean you own the thread. Kindly fuck off
>>341265000
>surely that's fan art.
GW copyright in the bottom right hand corner.
>>341264669
>Why is Gabe flipping around in fucking terminator armor and a hammer?
wew this trailer looks like total shit, and that's putting aside the whole dow 1 vs dow 2 discussiondow 2 >>>> dow 1
git gud you shitters
>>341262886
>>341265284
Come on now, GWS hires all sorts to do their art and there has never been a consistent style
>>341265397
but muh basebuilding.
>>341265574
>playing against the AI
not my fault you're too much of a shitter pussy to play against actual people
>>341263567
>What the fuck happened, GW?
Nothing
>>341265574
inb4
>P-PLAY ONLINE
Dammit, nevermind >>341265675, the DoW2 shitters are really attentive tonight
>>341264691
no dota isn't cartoony
its got stylizsatrion but its definately not cartoony
lol is cartoony.
>>341250894
Why is it so damn hard to just take Company of Heroes 1 gameplay and update the graphics/make the units from warhammer? DoW II came close to this but had too small maps, no base building and for whatever reason units did not get into cover/follow orders as crisply as CoH.
>>341265675
>IF YOU DONT PLAY MY WAY YOU'RE A SHITTER
Post your top 10 games, guaranteed one of them is casual as fuck.
>>341265752
>he plays against the AI
/v/ is literally more casual than cod kiddies.
>>341265574
>playing RTS games against the AI
comp stompers should be gassed
>>341265574
>the game is bad because I can't compstomp.
shiggy.
>>341265974
>>341266016
Please respond to >>341265964
>>341252865
I think the dota shop triggers me the most.
>>341265964
My top 10 games are irrelevant to the fact that playing an RTS for the AI is the same as playing an FPS for the AI, a complete waste of time and only for people too shit for online
>So dow1 was a major hit and 2 sucked monkey balls. did you learn your lesson yet that you need to make a Supreme Commander 40,000: Broken Alliances?
>Actually, we were going to take most of our inspiration from MOBAS
>all this salt from DoW2 fags
My. Fucking. Sides.
DoW1 won. Get over it.
>>341266115
why?
People play different games for different experiences.
>>341266115
I wasn't even implying I was some hardcore tourney going pro, but RTS games are absolute dog shite against the AI unless you're new to the genre or something.
It's like playing quake against fucking bots.
>>341250894
Why is a woman telling Gabriel Angelos what to do and why is his voice different?
>>341266297
>My top 10 games are irrelevant
No its not, its entirely the point in fact. Post your top 10 games.
>>341266334
So I can prove you're a casual shitter, as you call others casual shitters.
>>341266364
You didnt post your top 10, stop being a pussy and post them.
>>341266305
maybe because DoW2 came out right as RTS games were overshadowed by LoL?
>>341266307
yeah buddy. It 'won'
>>341266115
>>341265964
kill yourself, I also play SCII, which obviously isn't on steam.
>>341266446
there is no proof of this. Playing a competitive RTS games against the AI and dissing the game based off it is retarded as hell.
>>341266485
>Warband, DS1/2, R2,CoH2
All casual as shit. Thanks for proving my point.
.
>>341265574
>DoW1fags outing themselves as compstompers
Typical.
>>341266485
>3618 hrs
Well that's why I wouldn't want to play online.
Autistic fucking spergs with 5000000 apm ruining the genre for everyone else.
>>341251608
base building fucking sucks in DoW 1, i get that people liked the 30k scale but DoW2 is much more like the tabletop and i found the multiplayer to much more engaging with micromanagement being very important.
>>341266645
Are you 14?
>>341266485
you better be modding rome 2 there pal.
>>341265675
>>341266016
Online is unplayable in DoW2 since there are no dedicated servers so you play hosted game that are laggy shit and everytime there's even the slightlest lag in DoW the game freezes for everyone.
I played 3 games online when the game came out and I felt scammed by the devs and never tried ever again.
I guess I was spoiled by warcraft 3 back in the days but when I play online I expect my game to not freeze every 5 seconds because of a poorfag russian cunt
>>341266408
>Why is a woman telling Gabriel Angelos what to do
a lot of anons seem to think the woman is the knight pilot, possible, she could just be any old support staff like a astropath or a techpriest too.
>why is his voice different?
because 40k doesn't need consistency or good voice acting
>>341266645
Yeah, by your arbitrary definition right?
go back to compstomping retard
>>341266741
>because 40k doesn't need consistency or good voice acting
Heresy
>>341266645
>hating on warband
This is the kind of person we share a board with.
>>341266645
>base total war games are hardcore
>coh1 was hardcore but coh2 is for casuals despite it having a comp scene and CoH1 being famous for blitzkrieg mod
shiggy
>>341266732
of course, but warhammer total war took its place for now.
>>341266607
>there is no proof of this.
Proof of what? That you're a casual? There is plenty, the fact you refuse to disprove it is proof enough.
You might be too underage to realize this but the entire RTS genre only got popular because of offline and LAN playing. Not competitive PvP.
>>341266717
No, but thanks again for proving you're a casual and have no right to call anyone else one.
>>341266758
There is nothing arbitrary about it, those game are all casual as hell. You like him argue that people cant talk about DoW2 if they play against AI and yet your the majority of the games you play are casual. You have nothing valid to say.
What's wrong with Warhammer kids, you shitting endless oh on DoW and DoW 2 because "not like muh tabletop", now they gave you a game with the same art-style, shit they even remade 3d models for you and now they looks exactly as brilliant miniatures, so again why you hate them so much?
>>341265574
DoW2 AI pissed me off so much in team games when your buddy would disconnect. it was so bad and unfinished, if the player had built vehicles then the AI would try to cap points with them and shit like that.
that said if you were playing DoW2 for the compstomp then you're just missing out on the best part of the game.
>>341266738
what kinda selective memory do you got man, you don't remember players lagging like crazy and getting that "waiting for players" every 3 minutes cause purple or whoever still had a dial-up connection.
>>341266909
I am waiting for big mods for that to come out. Right now I am mixing and matching, which sucks.
>>341266957
I am not him, just asking, are you 14? you seem very unintelligent and/or non-knowledgeable
>>341260891
Except DOWII had the MOBA-like heroes as well as an entire gamemode derived from it, which is essentially what DoW3 is going for as a game. Nice try retard.
>>341266706
except when you start playing online you'll never be matched against someone with 3618 hours or even remotely close
>>341266738
Maybe you should actually try playing online or getting better internet, dow2 is perfectly playable online and it is still played online to this day
dedicated servers are also completely irrelevant in an rts
>>341266990
Because all the smart people who like 40k/warhammer dont post on /v/
The only people left here are shitposters who are so insecure they cant enjoy a game unless they discredit another.
>>341266887
Warband is trash though. It's shallow, unfinished, bugged etc. It's a meme game that only got popular because of its simplistic sandbox elements and mods.
You can turn it into a fun experience but you can't seriously state that the game itself is good. It's seriously lacking in every domain possible.
>>341266957
>Proof of what? That you're a casual? There is plenty, the fact you refuse to disprove it is proof enough.
Which is why SC1 was televised live right? to see people having singleplayer fun.
>>341267118
>moba like heroes
>wargear is now a moba thing
kys
>>341250894
Dow 2 looked better 7 fucking years ago.
>>341267091
You can try to move the goalposts all you want, you proved my point perfectly.
But go on, makes another post claiming im underage rather than admitting you're a casual. Ill even stop replying so you can pretend you've won.
>>341267285
you moved the goalposts in the first place when you brought up the 'muh top 10 games'
speaking of, why don't you post yours buddy? ;)
>>341267285
Haha, you're so silly, go outside silly man.
>>341267027
Just give it time they will come, there's already a few decent mods that change models like the bretonnia/vampire counts one.
>>341261930
¬Singleplayer != Singleplayer∧Multiplayer
>inb4 what is logic
>>341267209
>what the minority do is what the majority does
Yeah, I didnt think you were very intelligent.
GUYS STOP ARGUING
Now someone tell me, how good are the campaign's gameplay-wise? Use SC2 as reference
>>341266738
never had any real problem with lag in dow2 online.
>>341267285
>compstomper calling anyone casual
we've come full circle now, fucking assfaggots players have more credibility than you.
>>341250894
Is this a mobile game?
>>341267447
>Use SC2 as reference
Both DoW1 and DoW2 are infinitely better
>>341267408
you can only do so much with the ingame assets. I just want my long riflemen to have a scope.
>>341266446
This isn't about being casual or not, it's about the fact that RTS games are simply not fun against the AI if you played the genre for more than 10 fucking hours.
I don't know what this will prove but here you go, these are just my top played games on steam.
>>341267447
retribution's campaign is super easy, even on the hardest setting, but it's kind of fun still.
>>341265273
You're a complete retard. My only other post in the thread is >>341261775
>>341267118
>moba like heros
no they just had wargear and abilities you know like in the tabletop.
>>341250894
>its DoW2
>with a shitty paint job
>and tacked in base building rather than actual improved basebuilding
Esport bait, dead on arrival.
So glad we have TWW now.
>>341267630
>chivalry
>team fortress 2
>NS >>>2
*pukes*
>>341266994
>you don't remember players lagging like crazy and getting that "waiting for players" every 3 minutes cause purple or whoever still had a dial-up connection.
No I don't. And I suspect that would only happen in case of really heavy lag or more likely a disconnection.
>dedicated servers are also completely irrelevant in an rts
Okay so you have absolutely no idea what dedicated servers are
>>341251403
That's a fucking blood angel
>>341267447
gameplay wise SC2 has a lot more cheevos and stuff.
Story wise DoW2 blows it out of the park
>>341266738
>Online is unplayable in DoW2 since there are no dedicated servers
That was changed, they made "battlservers" (amazon servers that relic rents for coh2 and now coh1/dow2 aswell) they broke a lot of the lobby functions but now if a player lags he will be the only feeling it, not broke laggy games unless your connection is shit.
This was patched in about 2 years ago.
>>341267745
Wearing Blood Raven iconography on his pauldron. Riiiiight.
>>341267771
thats actually pretty neat. Lelic is a tiny studio.
>see this thread
>the amount of stupid makes me feel bad
>go to /vg/ and /tg/
>people actually discussing the game normally and raising good points for and against it
>none of this irrelevant petty DoW1 vs DoW2 crap
You're all fucking cancer.
>>341267771
>This was patched in about 2 years ago.
Jesus fucking christ they really took their time. I'm glad to hear they fixed it though. I might try to play online again then.
Thanks for the info
>>341266706
>muh autistic tryhards
Jesus Christ, does the fact that some guy is better than you in a game trigger you this much?
>>341261538
There's not much to hope for. They clearly want MOBA elements, which will be on par or more developed than DoWII. The artstyle is fairly hideous. CoH2 had some really retarded meta and DLC in it, so I'm sure Relic will shoehorn that in.
I'm quite certain that across both camps of DoW 1 or 2, neither wants enhanced MOBA gameplay especially when it makes heroes look cartoony/corny and regulates most other units as 'creeps'. Nor do either want the stylistic flair to design of characters, landscape, effects etc. This game doesn't really aim to please either side, but sit in a shitty middle ats distanced between poles due to the art.
we posting top steam games?
DOW:SS would be up there but I don't have it on steam desu
>tfw killing floor 2 is ruined
>tfw I hate POE and only played cause my friend begged me
oh well
>>341267118
Dow2 had 3 heroes per faction with great gimmicks that fit their theme and their upgrades came thanks to you holding the map with your troops who all had cool upgrades too
They all had the same ultimate abilities but a kommando could infiltrate a unit or the techmarine could repair all the vehicles on the map
This has nothing related to dota
You picked kommando to sneak around and be an annoying asshole or tankhunter
you picked the warboss to support your boyz or you picked the mek to be more shooty and teleport everywhere like a dick
>>341266831
let me rephrase that
40k doesn't HAVE consistency or good voice acting.and its perfect because of it
>>341264691
>look at the details
Just because you play dota on lowest at 800x600 doesn't mean it doesn't have detailed graphics.
>>341267731
Meant to link>>341267141
for the dedicated server line.
And you should also check:>>341267771
not my fault if you're a new dow2 player and never experienced the awful online the game had for years
>>341267723
Hey man, Natural Selection 2 was the most fun I ever had in multiplayer fps in a while. Shame it runs like complete shite and its rather deadish player wise.
>>341268369
I posted a high res, zoomed in screenshot of dota2 two post above in the conversation you dimwit
>>341263039
Not him but the first game was far better than the second.
>>341268284
Except all the Voice Acting in DoW2 was good.
>>341268067
>game is about combined warfare in ww2
>"hurr durr, the meta is retarded"
>>341266990
I want to fuck those infinity miniatures
>>341264691
>thats not cartoony
ok budy
>>341267905
>>341267723
They're all extremely good online fps with a huge amount of depth. I suspect you're a disgusting casual.
>>341268553
why?
give an answer defending your position.
>>341268714
team fortress 2 was ruined when it went f2p and ns 2 is worse than 1
>>341250894
>in the grim darkness
>grim darkness
>grim
>darkness
GRIM FUCKING DARKNESS HOW DO YOU FUCK THIS UP YOU GOT IT RIGHT TWICE BEFORE
>>341268540
>zoomed in
that one is zoomed out, regular dota camera is way closer, you lolshitter
>high res
but on low settings, so no surprise everything looks like shit and there's zero details
>>341265852
You're delusional buddy
>>341268680
Are you unable to recognize basic shapes?
>>341268680
a) the picture clearly shows a raven with a blood drop. That's the Blood Raven chapter badge.
b) the picture shows the right paudlron displaying the tactical marine arrow which Blood Angels don't use. Their right pauldrons use coloured blood drops to denote company affiliation. They use coloured helmets to show tactical, devastator and assault squads.
You mean what went right? It doesn't look like the squad driven pile of shit that was DoW2.
>>341268967
>grim darkness means everything has to be black and have filters.
>>341250894
Relic, it's all because it's fucking relic.
And relic, let me tell You, that relic is literally nazi.
Their only goal it to exterminate the jews, but they lack the funds, so they make shitty releases that corrupt the rts genre and some franchises even further.
Ends do not justify the means.
Please just burn that company down.
But I have to admit the trailer is quite damn good, one of the better ones I've seen.
But for fucks sake relic's mechanics are so damn broken. I'm simmering with despise.
>>341269010
>you lolshitter
Did you just imply I'm playing ASSFAGGOTS? Keep me out of your gay little war please.
>>341263665
>not knowing about custom hero wars
>not knowing about storm the fort
>>341267970
fuck off DoW1trash nobody fucking wants you here showing how "above it all" you think you are
Hate the artstyle.
All they really needed was DoW2 on DoW scale.
It looks depressing without half of the landing effects etc. All flash no impact.
>>341253543
>>341254317
More plausible reason is this possible design brainstorm
>people want BIGGER&MASSIVE armies(TM)
>lets add the Knight!
>Yea! Oh shit we cant render 100 guys at once, just reduce the numbers and inflate the health.
>>341266645
Are these the kind of people to come to /v/ these days? what a disgrace.
>>341264691
Looks cartoony to me
Got the good ole everything looks a little plastic and overly shiny appearance to it, just like sc2.
>>341269245
Warcraft 3
>>341268909
>team fortress 2 was ruined when it went f2p
That's the typical bandwagon of people who never really played tf2 in the first place. It's usually followed by muh cosmetics and muh little poney. Something that no self respecting adult would give a shit about in the first place.
>>341269225
You're lying about dota so you must be a LoL refugee.
>implying wargear was anything substantially different from a MOBA item shop.
>Completely forgetting Last Stand
Fucking off yourself
>>341269630
>wargear which was present in the game before mobas MUST BE A MOBA ELEMENT
man, I love arguing backwards.
>>341266990
But the left one really is more attractive.
>>341265574
This fucking pic made me hate compstompers
>>341269426
Cartoons don't look like plastic anon. Cartoons look hand drawn, flat and have simplistic gradients. Like pic related.
>>341268615
I was referring specifically to the bulletins and overbloated commander pool, but at least you tried.
>>341266738
>still using GFWL meme
After they ditched it in Retribution it is fucking great
>>341269576
Nobody gives a shit about your gay schoolyard war anon, this is completely off topic.
>>341266706
GIT
GUD
OR
GIT
REKT
>>341269880
Yes we can tell by all that samefagging. Can you stop spamming the thread now?
>>341269930
>lowest
>settings
>>341269987
and, bulletins add flavor to some units, like a 3% higher penetration rate. The only ones that were 'OP' were those that reduced abilities and were stackable. Relic has removed that and made the game somewhat less reliant on doctrinal pics since the last ESL tourney.
>It's a MOBA
>It's a MOBA
In what manner is it actually a MOBA?
Being an overview? Having a hero unit? Moving across the map?
>>341269796
Because it was designed and work just like a shop. There was wargear in DoW1, and it was a simple upgrade or research mechanic.
>>341270317
YOU MANY SOLDIERS ON THE MAP
ITS A MOBA REEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>341266706
>waah why do people actually play videogames to test out who's better and explore the possibilities instead of congalining and ERPing
>>341270006
Where did I talk about GFWL? It had the same problems in retribution. Read the discussion and this post >>341267771
before embarrassing yourself.
>>341270387
It wasn't. It was a campaign only thing that they introduced to the sequel because it was a unique way of customizing your heroes on the fly.
>>341270270
I didnt like it, I found it to be a superficial way to give the game 'depth' and just more bullshit unlocks to wade through when you got a box.
>>341270261
It's funny that every time I randomly pull a high res screenshot out of google it seems to be on the lowest settings.
I'm going to call that a pathetic show of bad faith from an hardcore fanboy until proved otherwise.
>>341270443
maybe that nigga was high as fuck. I ate a laced cookie once and played the CoH1 campaign. I was crying once conti's husbando died and when Tiger Ace Schultz died.
>>341269987
The only bulletins that were relevant and actually did shit were veterancy gain bonuses and maybe armor bulletins, and you had to stack like 3x of those for just a specific unit.
Now that bulletins stacking has been removed they're completely useless again.
I mean, 3% increase on penetration on my PAK? Whoopty fucking doo.
>>341270627
it was always a flavor mechanic, much like tanks crushing units or low health buildings dying when tanks crash into it.
I remember it happening on week 1 of ESL
>>341270261
I wasn't aware the art direction changed with settings
>>341270538
Regardless, outcome was the same.
>>341270718
holy shit you turd
resolution != all of graphics settings
>>341270967
No it wasn't. They never made any OP wargear. They just allowed your heroes to change as the game went on
>>341270862
Thats my point. All it does is manage slight modifiers to specific units. Just remove it entirely.
What is your gender /v/?
>>341270949
>turn off shadows
>turn off normalmaps
>turn off reflections
"see it looks cartoony"
here, have a screenshot of a cartoony game
>>341271184
eh, its like getting skins. If it doesn't harm the gameplay and keeps a sense of progression, there shouldn't be any harm in it.
>>341271095
Yes, it still is essentially a shop.
>>341271404
in what way?
If anything its like switching ammo from HE to AP for tanks.
>>341270254
REMOVE COMPSTOMPER remove compstomper
you are worst scrub. you are the scrub idiot you are the scrub smell. return to matchmaking. to our 4vs4 cousins you may come our game. you may live in the spectator….ahahahaha ,developer we will never forgeve you. unskilled FUck but fuck asshole scrub stink scrub genocide best day of my life. take a bath of dead scrub..ahahahahah
>>341271614
please don't
>>341271229
why would you post this?
>>341271315
Exaclty, its just bait to keep you playing. I played tons of COH1 because the game was fundamentally good, not reliant on skins or bulletins or cmdr drops.
I can only stomach playing a few rounds of 2, and only with friends because it's terribly boring compared to the first one and Relic couldnt balance it for their life.
>>341271184
Gotta pad out that war spoil system with useless shit no one wants, can't have the goyims actually getting commanders as drops.
At least I had so much fucking bulletin duplicates that I was able to trade them all for commanders that I wanted when the new update to war spoils system rolled in.
>>341250894
Now im glad that DoW has been kept in my backlog cause this looks like utter shit.
The artsyle and graphics are atrocious. WH40k is supposed to be grimdark, not fucking diablo 3 (which itself shat on the atmosphere of the first 2)
When i look at that trailer, I dont see a 40k game. Its just random shooting and explosions with nondescript units walking around.
>>341270997
The implication was that people who play in 1080p usually don't play in the lowest. Especially when the screenshot comes from a website called hardwareheaven. You gigantic faggot.
>>341271291
I'd embarrassed if I were you but at that point I'm sure your retarded mind will find a way to warp around that.
>>341267447
Gameplaywise they're pretty bland compared to SC2, Only storming the strongholds in DC was the interesting part of it.
Though they are quite entertaining for their characters and dialog.
>>341272218
You can't see normalmaps on the textures so clearly the site is lying for the views.
>>341271938
>not reliant on skins or bulletins
How does it rely on them?
Bulletins are a relic of old system before "war spoils" that just rewarded you for achievements like in Ardens Assault.
>>341268967
I bet you also liked The Order 1886
>>341252865
>Bradford
My sides are now in planet kek
>>341271938
CoH2 is the same fucking game as coh1 but has better QoL improvements and new mechanics
There is a reason why everyone moved to it from CoH1.
Commander bullshit aside, the most popular sov commander ones are the stock ones.
>>341271951
me too.
Oh well, at least the balance patch is good. Hope they incorporate more of miragefla's stuff in.
>>341272285
>DC
Don't remind me of that bullshit.
>Fighting Chaos
>Build up a couple bases, tons of turrets around enemy base location then destroy it
>Muck about doing other things for a little bit
>Area gets attacked
>Game starts, and every turret but one disappears around their base, they start with a Machine Pit and two Defilers right out the door, have a second base that happened to spawn on one of my extra bases and made it disappear, all control points nearby are under their control, etc
I fucking hated that because Chaos seem to be the biggest offenders of this shit.
Fuck you Chaos, eat my Baneblade.
>>341272218
B T F O
T
F
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You kit your hero just as you would in a MOBA, you require energy/mana to use abilities, and generally where the unit your army centralized on, until you got a super unit. The previous game, heroes weren't significanlty tougher than your regulars, and shared a similar kit upgrade system. The abilities were time cooldown as opposed to an energy pool. I'd rather have it the old way.
>>341271538
>>341252779
Tell that to mgs 3 and 5 witch are nefore 1.
Its 3, 5, 1, 2
You know shit about math. Git gud.
>>341268680
this is why you should stay in school kids.
so you can learn your basic shapes!
>>341272962
>they literally just copied balance changes from a fucking one man made mod
Christ almighty, just how fucking incompetent can they fucking be.
>>341254594
That would be incredibly difficult. A SM chapter has like 1000 dudes. You're asking for battles where 1000s of dudes die. How do you propose that happens? Should 5 marines be able to kill 100 guardsmen ezpz?
>>341272553
Keeps you invested in the game, and fills up space for war spoil until you finally get a cmdr.
>>341271614
>4v4
>any better than compstomping
One and only purpose of team-based multiplayer games is giving players an external factor to blame for their failture, also known as the Me Ooga Team Booga syndrome
I could explain what is wrong with it, but what's the point?
This game is intended for tertiary 40k fags like /v/ as it is, at this point I'm not surprised, disappointed or upset. Just numb.
>>341273674
its more like miragefla shilled his mod for some time, then people saw that it was actually better and brad got his ass fired because of it.
>>341253120
Termis dont have teleport packs. The whole IDEE fuck up is they are slow and heavy armored and not FUCKING SUPPER mobile.
Fucking game dev retards.
>>341273674
>relic copy balance changes
>everyone is happy
>the only guy in the balance team now decides that he is going to improve that again
WHY
I JUST WANT MY STRAF BATTALION TROOPS TO HAVE FUCKING CQB TRAINING INSTEAD OF 1 GAY FLAMETHROWER
>>341269080
>screenshot from the early beta, as evidenced by old ass venge portrait
k y s
y
s
>>341273907
Then strap your asshole and get ready because DoW3 is made with team games in mind.4vs4 players are pets we keep to remind ourselves how civilized we are
>>341266334
>compstomping
>different experiences
I have no idea how your compstomping mind can see differences between one instance of a-moving a population capped blob of max tier units onto the enemy base from another.
>>341273773
Not him, but I'd rather see a unified imperial faction compromised of everything, sm,ig,mechanicus etc, instead of having a millions factions of the imperium, thus SM could be the elite infantry.
>>341274263
>The art direction of dota2 completely shifted from the beta to released and is not cartoony anymore
k y s
y
s
>more RTT shit being called RTS by RTT fags
Call me when AoE4 comes out
>>341273674
>>341274173
>dev balance team needed outside help to realize that shrecks on volks are a bad idea
>>341273936
>and brad got his ass fired because of it
Wait, this really happened? Who's brad anyway? I only go to their forums when a new patch gets rolled out for the notes.
>>341274659
That would either result in the faction being ridiculously bloated, or being an extremely shallow mishmash of units.
>>341274454
>mfw I'm gonna 1v3 shitters
>>341272962
>Looks worse
>runs worse
>less upgrades
>gameplay was babby shit for plebs
Literally the only thing COH2 did better was give vehicles a reverse button.
>Shitting on a pre-alpha
>>341275154
>mfw when I'm forced to 1vs3 shitters
>>341273773
Quick lore question. Most Codex chapters are 1000 dudes strong, but those are just active marines at a time right? They have a reserve of scouts and recruits ready to go when they lose soldiers right? Given how fucked the Ravens got within the last two games they had to replenish their numbers somehow.
>want to kill in the name of the dark gods
>will probably have to pay 5.99 to do it
>>341250894
Nothing
I just want to be able to initiate STEEL RAIN protocol
>>341274173
Is anyone else really fucking triggered that penal troops are more elite than regular mainline soviet infantry?
>>341274704
This isn't about art direction, it's about quality/detail.
If you call this one cartoony then I'll just shut up because clearly we aren't talking the same language.
>>341261586
Supcom would make for an awful Warhammer game.
>>341275538
10 companies of 100 marines. The first 5 companies are active companies, 6-9 are reserve companies, and 10th is the scouts.
>pre-alpha
Literally nothing.
>>341275679
The Dawn of War games have always had expansions for different race/armies. This is nothing new
>>341276030
they aren't as versatile as guards or as good as shock troops. they are more like earlier and cheaper Obersoldaten.
>>341275007
brad channer was the second balance dev guy. They downsized right before dow3 was announced and let him go.
>>341274908
dedicated panzerjagers when?
>>341274659
I've seen you post this shit before. You're a fucking retard.
Space Marines existed before Imperial Guard. Imperial Guard were added to explain how an Empire of untold trillions could be maintained.
>>341276309
>implying /v/ cares about the state of the game
don't bother anon, you'll be called a relicshill soon eonugh
>>341266990
Its still not like tt fuxk up.
Not following the codex.
Super tiny unit count.
Fucking up the lore and unit lore.
Fuck off tee hech sanzes.
>>341265574
A: Lmao ai. B: This guy sounds fucking awful. You're honestly not allowed to complain about a game based on bronze level play.
It would be like me complaining that every DoW1 was turtling for 40 minutes just because you could do that against AI, pretty sure that got you murdered online.
>>341275679
Dawn of War 1 only had a few factions too, sure it's more than DoW3, but it's nothing new. I'd rather they made the game good than add loads of shit into it.
>5.99
No, this is SEGA, major faction packs are more.
>>341276309
The pre-alpha DoW2 screenshots looked good. These, do not.
>Relic taking all inspiration from MOBAs
>make everything look all fucking cartoony and shitty
>choosing three heros before each match because game is more focused on hero mechanics
Relic can all die in a hole, Jesus fuck I'm mad
>>341277562
>history revisionism
amazing
>>341273773
Yes.
>>341276716
Yeah, but they're better than fucking conscripts and are armed with SVTs, a weapon which was usually handed out to elite guard units, not fucking suicide squads.
Penals are thematically just fucking horrible.
>>341272962
Coh2 is fucking awful, the removal of the doctrine system into commanders is like 10 steps backwards
>>341277824
This was in the first batch of screenshots, literally 'pre-alpha', the same as DoW3 is apparently.
This looks BETTER than DoW3.
you babies will complain about anything.
The internet is ruining video games.
>>341269432
Starcraft Custom games bruh
>>341250894
Angelos straight outta Lol of legends. Other than that, im looking forward to it.
>>341278271
nah, penals are now actually good at what they do and have a niche. They are either good long range AI or short range AI.
>>341278286
no it isn't you tripfag. the factions themselves are more complete than ever apart from the USF and more doctrines allow for different choices
>>341277085
wtf are you even talking about
>>341275538
Nah they're limited to 1000 dudes. I think some break the rules, for example the space wolves. But 1000 is normally it since the heresy as a guard against corruption.
That's what I mean by scale, a hundred or two hundred marines have taken entire planets if I recall correctly (I realize that scale is goofy but it's how the fluff works)
Meanwhile in the fluff the guardsmen are dying by the millions. I just don't think a game can really be true to those numbers. Considering a bolter is basically a fully automatic grenade launcher, you kind of have to assume at least one guardsmen would die every time a marine fires. I just kind of assume each guardsman model represents a bunch of dudes.
>>341262886
>O shit lmao I'm pointing my gun the wrong wa
>>341277869
So the IG player just has to work like 10x as hard and manage a million units while my 100 marines mow through them effortlessly?
These youngsters and their giant robots.
Back in my days, a Dreadnought was big enough and cool enough.
>>341267425
>half of the copies of SC:BW sold were in Korea alone
t-they just wanted to amove carriers at eachother
>>341278271
SVT's was a mainline infantry weapon, or planned to be. It didn't live long because it sucked.
>>341250894
>Gabriel isn't voiced by Paul Dobson
>Gabriel bouncing about in terminator armor
>3 factions at launch
>Mobile graphics
>Moba style combat system
>no grimdark in this bitch
>>341280537
fuck off trollpicker
>>341263567
Short answer? Cheap tricks using computer programs allow you to spit shit out. However, computer shit can be brilliant if worked on well. GW is also cheap as fuck with new art, so it's best not to complain. Some art is fantastic, some art is shit. The shit art seems to be from the same artist, regardless of the source.
Shorter answer? Because artists are lazy.
>>341281237
They also looked fucking retard, also, don't you fucking dare claim it was 'big enough', since 'big shit' was all the fucking rage during early-post RT days.
>>341262886
I could never figure out whether to mass up a ton of Crisis suits, or those Broadsides, or just go with mass Firewarriors.
>>341279879
Didnt think anyone was retarded enough to defend commanders that you have to unlock or buy
>>341251851
>it's impossible to edit a picture! the poster count must be wrong!
>>341280507
They're limited to 1,000 mainline. Each chapter is above 1,000 as a whole.
And it's only done because nobody should have the power over 150,000 superhuman warriors, their fleets, supplies and armoured vehicles.
100 could take a planet.
1,000 could take a system.
10,000 could take a sector
100,000 could take a segmentum
1,000,000 could take the galaxy.
Lower your settings if you´re having lag or disconnects in MP. Of course If you have evrything cranked up to Ultra on not- so modern machine it is not going to take it well.
I think how stable a mp games is depends on how welll all invoved computers are handling it perfmance wise, atleast in Last stand.
>>341284185
that's not how the internet works
>>341281872
>or planned to be
So it actually wasn't, the mosin nagant was. The SVT was usually issued to better quality troops because they were harder to maintain than regular bolt action rifles, my point is that it makes no fucking sense that penals have them. .
>>341250894
Where is the better 40k game?
>>341285340
Dead. Their website has had several openings available since E3 2015.
>>341285340
I look forward to getting my legs broken again!
>>341250894
>RTS
wew lad just fuck my shit up
>>341285340
>40kid games
>ever good
top cuck.
>>341283768
>1,000,000 could take the galaxy.
Well, the Imperium has 1 000 000 Marines (roughly), more or less, but with all the threats against it, they're not gonna embark on any galaxy conquest on the scale of the Great Crusade anytime soon.
>>341286437
There has only been 2 non strategy 40k games. Fire Warrior and Space Marine. The rest have been hex-strats, turn-based strats, rts's or ARPG's.
>>341286849
and those are the only two good 40k games
surprising how that works out
>>341282749
its a good enough progression system. Commanders were a secondary aspect of the game and only the soviets were dependent upon it extensively.
>>341250894
Is it me or the units dont use anymore covers ? !!!
>>341278271
There were two types of penal battalions.
>poorly equipped
enemies of state and traitors
>well equipped
>disciplined soldiers that committed some insubordination
>>341286717
I know. It's more like 1.3m, technically. However, they're constantly beset and will never ever unite into one force again. It's always been used as a plot device to show how fucked the situation is when they do combine en masse.
The Great Crusade had more like 3-5 million, since each legion was different in numbers.
>>341287283
This has been long announced anon. They took the "We want DoW1 back !!!!!" to heart. So cover is back to predetermined positions on the map.
This was also for 'ease of access', so new players weren't overwhelmed by soft, medium and hard cover.
>>341287283
read the thread fÄ…ggit
>>341252795
Terminators could actually leap that high in the fluff though.
They can apparently also pick up small tanks and suplex them.
>>341286020
You need to update your information. They're only looking for a Senior AI/Gameplay Programmer these days and they're updating their social media pages again. They've got gameplay footage out and have confirmed Gav Thorpe is writing for them.
>>341285161
Relic pays the price of not replacing Penals with Guards.
There is no point in 2 anti-infantry focused light infantry
>>341287806
Neat. Still, it wasn't good based on the article I last read (and double checked myself) but that was about 6 months ago. If not more.
Glad it's not dead.
>>341287798
C.S Goto isn't fluff.
>>341261970
Point buy or death
>>341287796
lay the foundation pupper
>>341287452
>3-5 million
I may have missed something but that sounds like a bit much. Didnt the Ultramarines, the largest Legion, have like 150 000 or something? I imagine the size of the Legions varied wildly.
>>341250943
>>341251005
I don't get it
Everyone complains about the shitty graphics, animations and cartoony units just standing there exchanging lasers. What does that has to do with base building or DoW1?
>>341286717
>only 1m space marines
>fucking CHINA has 2+mil
You're tell me HALF of china's military could hold all of imperial space?
Whoever came up with these numbers is fucking retarded.
Relic has completely decayed
>>341289209
Space marines are big guys.
>>341289209
You need at least 4 chinks to fill an american Space Marine power armor.
>>341289209
No. Marines are the linebreakers. The IG hold the territory. Half of China's military is human. Space marines are fucking stupidly strong. I bet around 10 could conquer our planet no problem.
>>341289209
sci fi writers have no sense of scale
>>341288802
No, the Black Templars are the largest chapter
>>341289209
The SM were primarily used for attack, not garrisoning (one exception being Iron Warriors). Holding the conquests fell to the Imperial Army, though as the SM began to be stretched thin, the Army soon too found itsel on the frontline. It's been stated outright that the SM could never defend the Imperium alone and without the armies of the Guard, the Imperium would swiftly fall.
But yeah, 40k writer kinda throw in whatever numbers they think sound fitting.
>>341289805
>10
Lets not get crazy here.
>>341289824
>Legion
>>341290350
I dunno man, unless we just nuked the shit out of them killing ourselves in the process I'm not sure what weapons we have that could break personal shield units or even their ridiculous armour.
Entire countries would start surrendering and we'd be hearing about the 10 invincible soldiers. I bet religious extremists would assume it was god's armies coming and start rioting and shit. It would be nuts.
It seems DoW2 damaged the franchise permanently.
>>341289462
>hurf instead of 2meters they're 4
>this could possibly make a difference when we're talking about tens of thousands of WORLDS
The footprint 1 million super-soldiers would make on a GALAXY is fucking laughable.
Maybe 100 million could START to play the role 40k loremeisters want them to.
You'd need more than 1 million just to invade a single planet in a timely fashion.
Planets are big fucking places.
>>341289805
Good luck with the logistics.
>implying they could move around fast enough to be relevant.
Granted they'd do some damage. But a space marine vs an AC 130 is not going to end with the space marine victorious.
Not if they can be vanquished by orkz with their primitive choppahs & shootahs.
>>341250894
one thing i don't get is that people keep reaching into the "but they had to make the graphics worse because there are going to be a lot more units"
which doesn't make any fucking sense because creative assembly whom i assume are also working on this game just recently released a title (TW: warhammer) which has a fuckton of units and manages to have arguably better graphics than what we've seen in DoW3's gameplay
oh well, suppose it doesn't matter because in the end all you'll get is a bombardment of "it's pre alpha footage!!11!"
>>341290863
Seeing as how Calgar once led the planet of a feudal (yes, feudal) world to victory over a Night Lords warband, I'd have to still say no.
>>341261970
But you have base building, are you new?
>>341291242
No. This is being made by Relic, owned by SEGA. CA has nothing to do with them.
>>341291240
Are ork weapons not enhanced by their psychic gestalt?
>>341291286
Jesus. They really like their smurfs.
>>341290863
>turns out that the imperium of man actually exists
>our earth is actually just a colony world that got separated from the rest of humanity and not the origin planet of humans as we believed
>GWs was actually inadvertently perpetuating ancient legends through their tabletops
What kind of planet status would our earth as it is now receive and how fast would you kill yourself knowing that w40k universe is a reality?
>>341291534
mh, figures
hoping they make strides in improving the game's visuals though, since the gameplay looks fairly okay at this point, apart from the seeming lack of cover and unit animations
>>341291240
I was just memeing.
>>341291919
Probably agriworldI would join a PDF and never look back
>>341291754
Nevermind choppahs;
Are you saying the psychic gestalt of a single orc is powerful enough to more than make up for the difference between their 50-cal shootahs and a 30-mm AM cannon? Or a 250mm artillery piece?
>>341291919
I'd have to know how close we are to any meaningful fronts before offing myself. It doesn't seem super awful if you're far away from the frontlines.
>>341291240
As I said >>341290149, it is not the role of the SM to hold the 1 million worlds, the Imperial Army/Guard and the PDF are the ones that do the vast, vast, vast amount of it.
>>341291919
Civilized World, I'd say.
>>341292454
I have no clue man. The fluff is honestly all over the place. On one hand small groups of marines conquer planets, on the other apparently feudal knights and one chapter master can kill CSM.
Sometimes the IG are cannon fodder, other times their Rambo expy can solo entire units by himself.
>>341291919
Because the Emperor specifically comes from Anatolia. He was also created way way way before space flight was capable.
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