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Help. My book turned into a slut.
Nice dead thread OP
>>341238732
why is fool the opposite of cute? that doesn't make any sense
>>341240178
Well, people are still arguing about E3 so it can't be helped.
>>341238732
Look at that body
>>341238732
What the heck do those stats even mean
>>341240376
They directly affect the actual stats of her.
>>341240485
>>341238732
What's actually going on here?
>>341240550
You put things inside of her to upgrade her body.
>>341240550
Dressing up your book
>>341240636
>You put things inside of her to upgrade her body.
Oh yeah yo do
>>341238732
Is this game any good?
I've never played an atelier game before but I like classic turn based RPGs
GUST game.
No wonder Amazon Prime members can still get the preorder discount. Same goes for the fancy schmancy Odin Sphere version.
>>341240942
>I like classic turn based RPGs
Then you'll have even more reason to avoid this mess. The new Star Ocean comes out at the end of this month, and Fairy Fencer F comes out at the end of next month.
>>341240942
It depends on what you're really looking for. Atelier games don't have an epic story line where you go out and save the world from an evil god or something. You mainly gather stuff, craft stuff and beat some monsters up for their materials. And then you help out townsfolk and the book to regain her memories.It also looks like complete fucking shit most of the time since they put all their money into other stuff.
>>341240942
Yes its great
>>341238732
We need more "Cute" anon.
Please help.
I'm at the recipe which asks you to "Make friends with artisans." and the meter is stuck at 82 and hasn't moved in days.
How the fuck do I progress?
>>341241209
Cute is what turned her into a whore though. She was pretty cute before, now she looks just cheap.
>>341241236
Make friends with artisans.
>>341241257
It probably means their friendship level. Just gift them some stuff by pressing square when talking to them. Also the guy at the bar sells you rumours on what people like.
>>341241271
I have, the clockmaker, clothier and duplicator are all in my party now.
>>341241236
>Make friends with artisans
Have you talked to various NPCs around town? Blacksmith, shop keepers...etc?
>>341241326
meant for>>341241236
I just beat the final boss and have no clue where to find these enemies to unlock some recipes, namely a Dvorak, Light Elemental and Dark Maiden. Also, is there anything capable of wiping the party once you setup a Breezy Aroma with the Full of Life trait? This seems to be super OP.
>>341241678
Usually the goal of atelier games is to create the most broken fucking shit and still only being able to barely defeat postgame bosses. Are you playing on normal?
>>341241257
The floral outfit is the cutest one I got so far. Got it by putting points towards cute and brave.
Oh, a Atelier Sophie thread, i got my copy yesterday and i was wondering when does Sophie get her outfit that's on the boxart? I like what whe currently has on but I'd like that other one aswell.
>>341241326
>>341241364
It's this one here specifically.
It got to 82 really fast somehow and hasn't moved since.
I tried the gifting thing but I can't seem to get it to work.
Square does nothing.
>>341241802
You get it like 5-8 hours into the game.
Post more of this semen extraction guide
>>341241928
Please leave pervert
>>341241753
Started out on Normal because I quickly ran into enemies with health pools half the amount the final boss has and that would wipe my party in one turn with no chance of escape. Once I got a good Bomb I turned it back to Despair difficulty.
>>341242001
come on anon, I'm sure you fapped to her at least once, share
>>341241928
>>341242236
I meant the book, not the prostitute
So did KT actually do a decent job translating this time?
No spelling or grammar errors?
>>341242337
>>341242405
You tell me.
>>341242405
First item you make in the game is an Adventurer's medicine. A child using Google Translate could work that one out.
They translated it as "Burg medicine".
I only watched a stream out of mild curiosity, but if they can fuck up literally the first item you encounter in the game, I can hardly imagine how bad the rest of it is.
>>341242405
I did not notice any mistakes in spelling or grammar, and I'm well deep into the postgame. The translation when playing with JP voices seems to be spot on. My Japanese is not outstanding, but I'd say the translation does not at any point deviate from the original script.
>>341242405
>KT
>decent job
I haven't tried one of these since Rorona.
How much has changed?
>>341241925
B-but i allready played 5-8 hours of the game, i assume it has something to do with Leon?
Is Sophie as shit as the Dusk games? I'm very tempted to skip it and wait for Firis, that looks really interesting to me.
>>341242785
There's been quite a few changes in the combat and synthesis procedures after arland, but the core game still has the same concepts.
>>341242614
That's the Asia english version, dumbass.
What game?
>>341242405
Only error so far i've seen was a recipe inspiration that the clue pointed to the wrong attack from the same enemy.
>>341243031
>as shit as the Dusk games
>>341242614
They said they're fixing that
>>341243093
asian english is different?
>>341242785
Depends on whether you played Rorona Plus or the original. If you've played the original, all gameplay mechanics have been polished a ton and it's immensely more enjoyable. Rorona Plus differs about as much, the systems have been completely overhauled from the original. It's difficult to say how much actual difference there is in the way the game is played, since this is a series based around the same formula with slight differences between each installment. It's a very niche series with dedicated fans who just want more alchemy and comfy gameplay.
>>341243140
Atelier Sophie
>>341243171
not that guy but ayesha was the only good dusk game so he's 2/3 correct
Look at body
>>341243329
E&L is miles better compared to the arland games, despite its flaws. Better combat and synthesis by far, the only thing arguably worse is the setting
I can't say about shallie since i'm waiting for shallie+
Is this appropriate combat attire?
>>341243652
Of course
>>341240256
Chart makes sense when you consider the fact that they're not meant to be taken as opposite axes.
>>341243652
Does she punch people?
Haven't played more than like an hour and a half of Sophie
>>341243541
>E&L is miles better compared to the arland games
Kill yourself please. It's the worst Atelier I've played.
>>341244039
Yes.
>>341244039
Yes, and kicking.
![kitakubu_katsudou_kiroku-01-natsuki-nervous-timid[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/OQPv8DA.jpg "kitakubu katsudou kiroku-01-natsuki-nervous-timid[1]")
I tried to get into the first atelier but the time-sensitive gimmick gave me anxiety.
I don't want to fail and have that cutie kicked out on the street
>>341244186
I guarantee you only think the arland games were better because you played them first. The synthesis, combat, and stories were terribly shallow. Objectively E&L is better, save for the characters and setting.
This is Sophie's VA. Note that her assets are more comparable to a certain previous atelier protag rather than the one she voices.
>>341244313
>I guarantee you only think the arland games were better because you played them first.
I played Iris first.
E&L is garbage and your taste is shit.
>>341244412
kys yurifag
Why are all the Sophie side characters so bland and uninteresting?
>>341244315
did she get an arm extension?
>>341244674
Corn makes up for it
>>341244674
you mean like all atelier side characters?
>>341242789
Yes. Just keep raising her friendship level and talk to her occasionally.
>>341244502
>not liking yuri
Not that guy but you're in no position to comment about people's tastes.
>>341244674
Monika was the only one that struck me as terribly uninteresting
The doll guy was great
So who's sophies canon lover?
>>341244947
>The doll guy was great
He felt like a shitty Esty. And also he looks like a fucking pedophile, just thinking about him actually carving a cameltoe into placenta makes me feel uncomfortable.
>>341245032
Tess is pretty hot.
So, when Plachta wants me to make the lvl 46 Hexia something, do I just make it now while 15 lvl short or wait until I'm sufficiently leveled?
>>341245879
Just craft it, it's a story related item so it doesn't matter. I feel like everyone just says you're the greatest fucking alchemist ever despite bringing them D rank items.
>>341245879
It doesn't matter. The traits on quality on that item are not important for anything.
>>341245032
Harol
>>341245990
I gave Logy E rank ingot and he says it's better than every ingot he sees so far. All those other weapon in the world must have been pretty shitty.
>>341245240
I really like her theme.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0iTrvUcviw
>>341246375
Especially because he sells like C rank ingots himself.
Rorona = Ayesha = Meruru > Sophie = Totori > Escha > Shallie
>>341245209
How are you so sure that there's a cameltoe anon?
>>341244315
Why are her feet so huge?
>>341247420
She's a big girl
>>341241236
This guy again.
I finally made progress, turns out you need to go talk to the geezer in the shack outside of town to proceed.
>>341244223
>hang down from high places
i dont suppose we will actually see it?
Logy's asking me for an uncommon metal, what the fuck is he asking for?
When I'm going to get access to Tier 3 weapons from logy?
>>341250067
He'll ask you for some special material that you have to bring him and then you can make them.
>>341249818
why are exposed thighs so delicious
>>341250791
ZR is the gift of god.
>>341249818
so is the series good
>>341250791
How about these thighs?
VR atelier when
>>341251002
that little girl forgot to wear some panties
>>341250954
Yes if you like crafting, no if you want an epic RPG.
>>341251002
>>341249818
just so everyone is aware - her skirt isn't in motion there, it's in that retarded position the entire game
worst designed character in the entire series, her stupid ladybird hairband triggers me as well
>>341251504
I like her JP voice and backstory, at least
>>341240942
Don't bother. This series is fucking mess
>>341238732
What game is this?
>>341251727
Fallout 4
>>341251794
>Atelier
Interest lost.
>>341251989
Get gud
>/v/ suddenly hates atelier
what happened?
>>341251002
not as delicious because the legs are all bare
ZR just gives it a forbidden fruit sort of boner even if loli is the actual forbidden fruit
>>341251504
Only /v/ could have fags like this who hate a skirt designed for upskirts.
>>341252209
Reddit/facebook normies invading /v/, and video games as a whole, really (see: E3)
Underage/ADD users
Ect.
>>341251002
>>341251170
Why does the environment look like shit? It's like new models were plopped into a PS2 game.
>>341252209
>suddenly
how new are you?
It's time to begin getting hyped for Firis
Yuugen did a better job than I thought. Didn't like his designs much in Sophie, but Firis and Ilmeria both look great.
>>341252646
I'd like Firis if her base design didn't have those stupid fucking cowboy boots
>>341241095
>Star Ocean
>turn based RPG
I never play these games but I fap to atelier and nepnep
that's the only reason you all play these games in the first place, right?
>>341253290
I just assumed it was a troll, since literally nobody actually thinks SO5 or FFF are better than Atelier.
>>341238732
>My book turned into a slut.
She actually has more covered skin than her default costume.
If anything she stopped being a slut.
>>341238732
Plachta is pure! PURE!
>>341253382
Atelier isn't even that sexual
>>341253382
NepNep yes. Atelier has actually good story and gameplay along with the cute girls.
>>341253871
>implying Fritz didn't use her as a onahole when he made her body
>>341251123
When you first meet her she says she likes clothes that let the breeze in. She pretty much confirms she isn't wearing pantsu the second you meet her.
>>341254254
I wouldn't be surprised if he installed a vagina on her
>>341254191
If you actually think that, then you'd like Neptunia as well once you put away the "CH only makes kusoge" meme.
Game is comfy as fuck. Been playing it for the past 3 days, only got the optional stuff left to do but man I spent like 8 hours yesterday just making items.
Playing as a cute girl and doing cute things is nice too.
It's such a comfy and relaxing game. This is exactly the sort of game my soul needed.
>>341247420
you know what they say about people with big feet
>>341251153
I've never played a game with crafting
>>341255291
what a comfy anon
>>341255291
The camera zooming in to Sophie's POV when you talk to merchants is a nice touch for being-a-cute-alchemist-simulator simulator. I think they messed up the heights though, because Logy is not nearly as tall as he seems to be from Sophie's POV
>>341255663
Sophie is pretty easy with crafting and since there's no time limit it's one of the easier ateliers. You can try it, but you won't like it if slice of life isn't your thing.
>>341255191
No. I've played every neptunia game except PP and I can say without a doubt that atelier is closer to being an actual game. Unique assets and engaging gameplay that actually changes noticably alone brings it ahead by a wide margin. CH is ridiculously lazy and the games are terribly braindead. The only thing they have going for them are tsukano's art and the character interactions, but there are a million better series for that
I cannot fathom why people still fall for nep shit. I could accept liking VII but anything else is just abysmal
>second outfit looks like complete shit compared to the first
I hate Leon now.
>>341256221
You can change it back.
>>341255826
Oh, and tell me what the engaging gameplay of Atelier is?
>hurr I go to da dungeon
>hurr I kill da enemies
>hurr I make da item
Sounds like Neptunia.
>>341256221
You can switch it back from the desk. Show Leon who's boss by throwing her outfit in a box and never using it again.
>>341256221
Agreed, what were they thinking
Best Atelier for newcomers?
>>341255826
Not that Anon, but sometimes it boggles my mind how people keep paying for Nep games that constantly rehash assets.
>>341256380
Task-based gameplay and relatively deep crafting is very engaging for the niche audience it targets
Nep is literally just spamming either your cookie cutter normal attacks or abilities depending on if SP abilities are OP in the respective game or not
But that's just my opinion desu
>>341256638
Name a AAA series that doesn't rehash assets
Mimi 2.0 blonde edition coming next game.
>tsundere
>rival
>promo artwork like this
Look at these white girls culturally appropriating those outfits
>>341256585
Sophie Ayesha or Rorona+
>>341256725
>promo artwork
Looks like the artist doodled that in 10 minutes tops
>>341256585
Do you use JP voices?
Y --> New Atelier Rorona (PS3), Atelier Ayesha Plus (Vita), or Atelier Sophie (PS4)
N -> New Atelier Rorona (PS3), Atelier Ayesha Plus (PS3 or Vita), or Atelier Sophie (PS4)
>>341256828
work in progress
>>341256725
>>341256929
what's with the rough sketches
>>341256701
I mean reusing some assets is one thing but nep is literally the same few dungeons with the same enemies every single game across like 10 games and it is mind boggling
VII was a fair step up but they still reused quite a big, and Seha/geki blanc were by no means impressive
>>341256671
How on Earth is the crafting deep?
>>341256929
>>341256725
Where did you get these
>>341256585
Sophie is pretty simple.
>>341257086
>>341257213
They're some bonuses from ordering from different places. Posters and other things.
http://social.gust.co.jp/firis/products.html#s_list
>>341257178
You're pretty bad at this.
>>341257178
You can spend hours just trying to craft a specific item with the specific attributes you want it to have.
Seems pretty deep to me.
>>341257178
Relatively. It's not terribly deep, but maximizing and combining materials and properties to use for further synthesis in certain games takes a fair amount of effort
I.e. getting big recovery x big recovery+ and big recovery+ x big recovery++ as just one of your final properties, among three others like fixed recovery on your final medicine
>>341257469
It begins
>>341257547
It's not deep, if it's still just "get the materials and make an item".
>>341257802
Are you retarded or I'm being rused here?
>>341257802
Yeah sure. If you ignore traits, effects, quality, elements and cauldron bonuses.
Getting the right mixture of these on items can take ages. If you're playing on a harder mode or doing optional content, you can end up combining hundreds of items in a specific way just to make a new piece of equipment and you got to do this 4 times per character.
Sounds deep to me. But maybe you just haven't actually played the game.
Firis is pretty racked.
>>341258065
>pointlessly long crafting path to make good items == deep crafting system
>>341256828
What's wrong with competent artist sketches?
>>341258318
Yeah, generally that is the definition of deep.
>>341258318
Yes the game is shit now go away
alright, so the plachta customization looks really cool, the art design is god tier as always, but I got some concerns still.
>only played 1 atelier game before, forget which one, but it was for PS3 and it had that time limit in it
>remember 99% of the fucking game was crappy ass menus, just like hyperdimension shitfest
>as a result the game REAKED of fucking low quality, low budget garbage that didn't deserve to be considered an actual game, let alone cost full price
>recently got ar nosurge since the art design always really interested me, start playing it, same fucking shit as nepnep, no actual exploration, "game world" is just one massive assortment of menus, incredibly stiff animations, VAST majority of the game is VNs with still fucking images
I really hate VNs, I think they're fucking cancer and that the nips are SERIOUSLY holding back storytelling in games due to their cheap as fuck methods of game development like VNs and menu based "exploration".
But I want to like this game, this thread has me pretty fucking interested. Is there any chance I would like this game or would I absolutely hate it due to the nip-infused coating of no budget garbage that makes up all weeb games.
>>341258463
Deepness implies there is a lot to learn about the thing, not just dumb grinding for lots of basic materials so you can make one item that's better than the same item if you did less grinding.
>spent like an hour synthesizing all the highest recovery traits onto a medicine
>I didn't pay attention to the effects, one of which is Adrenaline, which deals heavy damage to whoever you use it on in exchange for increasing their base damage
>my traits were so powerful that the medicine one-shots whoever I use it on, effectively making it worthless
I am, without a doubt, the stupidest motherfucker alive
>>341258882
ralph pls go
>>341238732
I want to fuck that book
>>341258882
Except there is a lot to learn, and when making an item you have to balance like 8 different attributes and figure out how best to maximise what you specifically want out of the item.
It doesn't even take long to grind for any items in this game (you can get hundreds of any item you want in minutes). The hard part is figuring out how to use the items you've got to make the item you want. Which can take hours.
>>341258852
Sounds like you should stay away. Atelier games have higher budget than Surge Concerto titles, but Gust is still a mid-budget developer and Sophie is basically a slice of life anime with alchemy and gameplay added.
I love it, sounds like you don't.
>>341259170
If the trouble can be avoided just by looking up a guide, it's not deep. You must need to learn with experience as well.
>>341240984
The discounts last for 2 weeks.
>>341240178
>>341243957
Finally I can become a wise fool
>>341244761
>kuudere
Oh baby----
>short hair
Into the fucking trash
>>341258458
For a PROMO i'd expect, i dunno, something resembling a finished product
>>341259394
>If the trouble can be avoided just by looking up a guide, it's not deep.
Can you name any turn-based single player game that has trouble which can't be avoided by looking up a guide?
Are you advocating adding twitch reflex requirements to the game or something?
>>341259394
There are no guides. And due to the nature of the game there probably never will be.
Saying you can just read a guide to make anything you want is like saying you can just read a chess guide that has every possible move you could ever make.
Does this game still use the same shitty system as shallie or did they go back to being time based?
Why do you faggots keep defending the game to some faggot who never played and never will play the game?
It's a fucking niche game for fucks sake. Not everyone will like it stop making it so.
Now post some lewds
>>341242001
>Welcome to Corneria.
>I like swords.
>Welcome to Corneria.
>I like swords.
>Welcome to Corneria.
>I like swords.
Seriously though, the translators should have gone with Cornelia.
>>341256638
I have like 4 friends who buy literally every nep. Then they don't get games like Ys, or legend of heroes or atelier and other generally better series. I don't understand it
>>341259724
It doesn't have a hard time limit like arland/ayesha/e&l, but it does have a time system, mostly for requests with day limits, but there is a monthly calendar, and a day/night cycle that effects things like enemies and who you can interact with. It's sort of in the middle, I guess.
>>341260082
Gee anon, it's almost like people can like different things, if that's a problem for you maybe you should stop being friends
Wasn't a brand new atelier game just announced? How old is Sophie since it released in nip land? And is this game really worth 60 bones?
>>341260706
They've made 17 atelier games in 20 years so far.
>>341260280
3 of them don't even play the games anymore. And complain about not having money for some stuff they want. But they still buy every new nep on release
>>341259893
Translators shouldn't change names. Their job is to translate, not come up with their own stuff. You encourage them and they'll start pulling shit like Esty Dee again.
>>341259893
>Welcome to Cornholio
>>341260280
People shouldn't be allowed to like only shit things and not good things
>>341260706
They basically make an Atelier game ever year. But they tend to get released half a year later in the west.
>>341260880
Again, you can always stop being friends. Christ I don't fucking get it why atelierfags feel they need to shit on neptunia and nepfags that they need to shit on atelier, I like both series, sue me
>>341242426
I need some pantyshots for research purposes.
r8 Firis' announced outfits so far
For me,Cold weather outfit > Normal > Hot weather outfit, but all of them are adorable
>>341259718
No shit there's no guides for a game that just came out. That's like saying a brand-new maze is deep because nobody posted its solution online yet.
Totori was the last one I played, has the gameplay improved much since then?
>>341261109
Why does the desert outfit turn her eyes yellow?
Seriously, what the hell?
>>341261074
This is the best I can do for you
>>341260836
>>341261062
God damn
>>341261164
There will never be a guide for the game for the same reason there is no guide on how to win any game of Chess.
The guide would need to be of infinite length.
Okay KT I bought Sophie now give me Shallie+ please
>>341261072
I'm not an atelier fag, I'm just commenting on the stupidity of nep shitters
>>341261395
Not if the guide limited itself to crafting items that actually matter.
>>341261395
Let's not be silly anon, there are plenty of guides for common inheritance paths for attributes in Sophie.
And for chess, you can always just boot up any half-decent modern chess program and input your opponent's moves to beat or tie even Magnus Carlsen every time.
>>341259035
No no. That's a good fuck up to make. If you're not accidentally killing someone or giving life to inanimate objects just because you could then you have learnt nothing about being an alchemist.
Stupid boots
>>341261715
Almost every item you can craft in the game matters. Not only that but materials are randomized in various ways so you need to learn how the system works.
Just like how you need to learn how to play Chess instead of just reading a guide that tells you all the best moves.
>>341261778
>Not giving life to a pair of panties
Come on now
Why is Elise so fucking perfect?
>>341261956
>randomized
Well, I forgot whether or not this series uses RNG for crafting. I've only played Rorona for PS3 and that was forever ago. But now I can safely say the deepness is superficial.
>>341261634
yeah sure,lets pretend you arent a shining proof of what I said
>>341262323
More like you just haven't played it and you're talking shit.
Maybe play the game next time.
>>341261826
She needs that extra surface area to balance her heavy pack.
>>341262342
I haven't bought an atelier since PS2 and didn't realize this thread was atelier when I opened it. I just opened it because of the OP.
But you keep being a victim
>>341261778
>giving life to inanimate objects
Man, I just realised I really miss Rorona. The stupid fucking pie events were probably the best things this series will ever produce.
>>341262446
If RNG plays a role in the crafting at all, it isn't deep. All it does is create more grinding.
>>341262903
>RNG means it can't be deep
More like RNG makes it deeper. You should go back to LoL generals with your RNG = automatically bad mentality.
Yuugen was a mistake
>>341263045
>RNG makes it deeper
Holy shit. Okay, play a fighting game that makes heavy use of RNG then we'll see if it's deep.
Literally perfect.
>>341263224
Cool false equivalence.
This isn't a fighting game we're talking about. What applies in a fighting game has no bearing here.
Dies this one have a time limit?
>>341263437
yes it dies
>>341252457
You can literally tell where all the budget went.
i've wanted to get into Atelier for years, but i couldn't for various reasons. is this a good game to start?
>>341263437
No. There is still time and certain things only happen at certain times or on certain days.
>>341263554
Yes but it's also boring as shit for an atelier game, it might make you drop the series overall.
>>341263645
Oh, good. I'm not going to sit here and bitch about the timeline in the other games, but it was definitely something I personally wasn't a fan of.
>>341263515
To my dick
Based Nippon
>>341263415
Fine. You made a chess analogy; play chess with RNG and we'll see if it's still deep.
>>341261476
>Tfw Ayesha can FUCKING SUMMON YGGDRASIL is Shallie+
For the love of god, KT, give it to us soon.
>>341263871
And most Chess professionals want RNG in Chess because the game has no depth at all once you're at a pro level of play. It's so predictable it's not worth playing anymore (which is why it's not nearly as popular as it use to be).
>>341263310
>went in expecting her to be an adorable shy dopey klutz who likes reading and maybe has a secret pervy side or something
>she turned out to just be vanilla as fuck and her only real personality trait is liking books
Kinda disappointing. At least she's still ridiculously fuckable.
Does she get more likeable later in the game?
>>341263224
>I should be given god tier equipment with max stats without even trying to work for it
>>341263707
boring like Etrian Odyssey can be or boring like Fantasy Life? or some other kind of boring.
>>341252457
Character model are outsourced.
>>341263707
Yeah, Shallie's issue is a severe lack of cutscenes or story direction.
Rorona had the workshop closing, Totori had to rescue her mom, Meruru had to revitalize her kingdom, Ayesha had to rescue her sister, EschaLogy had to investigate the Dusk or else the fuckers from the city would come and take their stuff away
>>341264250
>EO
>Boring
>>341264207
If the amount of work you have to do is influenced by RNG, then it's not "working for it", it's just being inconvenienced. You may as well say Demon's Souls is extremely deep because Pure Bladestone has a 0.5% drop rate and takes 6+ hours to get for your average player.
>>341264156
Why does she have to be a moe blob?
She is literally perfect
>>341260957
In the specific case of the Japanese Syllable pool being abysmally small I respectfully disagree. Especially when the Japanese source clearly goes for foreign, and common foreign, Names.
Like, you know, Monika. Then a Cornelia makes sense.
>>341264709
Or you could simply learn how the system works and learn to exploit RNG and make it work for you.
>>341260958
Alright, you got a laugh out of me.
>>341264856
She doesn't HAVE to be, but she should at least have some personality beyond dude books lmao.
>>341264278
Should'e outsourced everything
>>341264709
That's the thing, you are complaining for a hilariously stupid reason. The idea is, for every 5 pieces of ore you pick up, one might be high quality and have good attributes. This isn't hours of grinding, harvesting items takes a few seconds. You have items that increase the rate or rare items too.
The idea is, high-quality items with good skills make better stuff.
You could use a C-Rank item with a trait that isn't relevant, or an A-Rank item with Quality+ and Attack Up, which isn't even hard to get.
>>341238732
This is the kind of gender slider developers should use.
>>341264709
>Higher quality items are rarer
>For every few items you get, one or two might be of higher quality
>These are better for crafting
Are you really saying that every item you come across needs to be perfect with optimal attributes and traits and maximum quality rating.
>>341265159
Or you could have the materials be consistent and avoid bullshit.
>>341264634
>We can now customise voice, hair colour and eye colour in EOV
Well now, I think most of us will never get past the character creation anymore.
>>341265506
You could suck my ass
>>341265062
She is more than just books.
>>341265586
>damn, this high quality item I got doesn't have the traits I want
>GUESS I GOTTA DO MORE GRINDING
>THIS IS SO FUCKING DEEP DUDE
>>341265664
At what point do I see that because I have yet to.
>>341265782
About the second time you meet her
>>341265506
>Game about item creation
>Remove quality, attributes and traits due to every item having fixed everything
>No matter how much you try, you are stuck making a sword with +10 damage and the save passive abilities due to all your materials being the exact same
>Instead of using high-quality ore with lifesteal and high-quality metal with fire boost, the higher quality boosting the sword's base attack and gaining the passives from the items
>>341265996
Must've flown right over my head then since all I remember about her was she has a good memory or something.
>>341264709
You are literally ignoring the entire alchemy system because "you have to grind".
Once you have the items you want (that take no time to grind because you get thousands an hour) you still need to understand the various systems in play.
You need to pick the right items, the right cauldron, use the items in the right position at the right time and get the correct bonuses. And you might need to do this several times over to make the item you actually want, along the way you need to plot the course of items you'll make with the attributes you want so you can combine them correctly.
It's not like Demon's Souls where once you get the material you press a button and it is used. There is an entire system you're purposely ignoring for some reason.
>>341266083
Why not have attributed be added by crafting, rather than being forced to grind for items with the attributes so they can be passed on through crafting?
>>341265702
>Forgetting that items have a limited pool of traits and that high-quality items have multiple traits so it is pathetically easy to get them
>Most of the games also have systems or items that allow you to harvest rare items easily
Hell, in later games like EschaLogy and Sophie rare items are ridiculously easy to not only find, but to collect en masse.
EschaLogy has items and equipment that can increase rare item harvests that STACK, so stack all of them ad you literally find nothing but A-Rank items with Quality Plus, Four-God Abilities and Perpetual Motion.
>>341266563
Because then you might as well throw the whole game away, it's no longer even alchemy. If you can make magical swords from a lump of iron in the ground, it makes the materials worthless.
If you can fashion a sword with fire damage, lifesteal and a speed boost just like that, where's the challenge or the creativity? You aren't using what's available to you to work with, everything is handed to you on a silver platter.
You don't NEED to minmax and make amazing weapons early-game, you know, you will get a better weapon recipe 2-3 hours in-game. That's postgame stuff.
>>341267306
No, I mean use crafting to further improve your materials (or make materials) with desired attributes.
>>341267636
It's the way it's always been done. Tons of other games already do it the other way. The whole idea with Atelier games is that you need to make do with what you have on hand due to the imposing time limit.
>>341266563
Because you add the attributes you want by crafting. Then you take the new items with these attributes you wanted, and make them into something else with attributes you want. Then you repeat this any number of times until you make the final item you wanted. That is literally how the system works.
Seriously, you should at least youtube a video or something on how the system works, because you've done nothing but complain about absolutely nothing.
>>341267636
That's basically taking away the gameplay if you can use anything to upgrade anything, you could just mash the best materials into the best equipment and win the game without even trying.
>>341264634
oh i agree EO is a lot of fun, i was trying to determine the value of the opinion that this newest Atelier was boring by asking for the anon's opinion on games i have played.
>>341268609
Are you trying to tell me that grinding for materials with specific attributes is "trying"?
>>341269154
You barely grind since items are handed out in mass quantities. On top of that, the best attributes in the game have to be made through alchemy.
Literally, either go play the game (or read up on it) or just stop posting. You have no idea what the fuck you're even talking about anymore.
>>341269154
>Grinding
I don't get it though, how do you grind for materials in Atelier? Have you ever played one? You go through an area and harvest stuff, a nice amount of the stuff you harvest is good for making other stuff.
Again, you don't need to craft an infinite-use full-HP area healing potion that buffs your defence and speed and heals MP just to fight an early game boss.
If you need a +150 damage sword with sharpness, defense debuff and lifesteal to deal with random level 5 enemies, you might be inept.
>>341269154
You'd either have to either extremely lucky or extremely sheltered to even have to ask this.
>>341269154
You don't even know what you are talking about anymore. You don't even grind for materials, simply going to a single area and can net you up to 10-20 items. Harvest points give 2-4 items at each point.
What the fuck do you even need 20 A-Rank Ores with perfect attributes and traits for anyway?
Two to three pieces of ore is all you need to smith multiple Ingots used for making weapons.
>>341244309
Play anything after Echa then, they ditch the time limit.
>>341270075
More like a harvesting point gives you 2-10 items, there is several in an area and hey respawn rapidly anyway.
On top of that, once you have an item with the perfect attributes, you can either make this into other items with the same attributes (so you turn one item into 3, then 3 into 9 and so on), or you can just duplicate it for a small fee.
The guy clearly hasn't played any Atelier game before and just has no idea what he is talking about.
>>341270075
>>341269706
>>341269641
>you can make each and every best item in the game without grinding
Nice lies.
>>341270830
You don't need to grind for materials. The only "grinding" you do is creating new items with alchemy.
I'm not really sure if using the alchemy system (the core feature of the game) would be considered grinding though. It's not like you're doing the same thing over and over again to get better, you're just performing a long sequence of item creations.
>>341271271
Protip: If you ever find yourself trying to get a certain material, at all, even if it only takes a minute to get, it's grinding.
>>341271742
Ok. Now tell me how grinding invalidates the depth the entire alchemy system has.
>>341270830
You act as if it's hard. Have you even played an Atelier game before? Hell, play Escha and Logy, you can quadruple your rare item acquisition rate and harvest nothing but rare items. And this can easily be done at the halfway point in the game. 2/3rds way into the game you can make an infinite-use healing item that revives dead party members the second they die, and it buffs all of their stats on revival. You can also make weapons that deal 5 damage types at the same time with a rare item that is incredibly easy to find since early in the game, you create an item that allows you to find rare items easily.
I don't get why you are so obsessed with making the most powerful stuff, you might as well hack the game and make everyone max level, there would be no difficulty.
>>341271848
Do you need to grind in chess? No you don't. Chess is deep, Atelier is not.
>>341251170
Well that was disappointing.
>>341272335
Chess isn't a stat-based crafting JRPG either.
>>341272335
If you want to get good at Chess you need to grind an absolute shit load. Like longer than any video game you've ever played.
Just look at some of the best chess players in the world. They dedicate most of their life to the game. Not only are they playing it for hours a day, but they're studying it and the theory and strategy behind it.
And then, these people invent new strategies of their own which future generations will learn and use and from that develop their own strategies and so on.
It's not unreasonable to say the current pro Chess players we have now are literally the result of centuries of grinding.
>>341271851
People are calling Atelier's crafting deep because of the effort that goes into making the best items in the game. That's why I'm focusing on crafting the best items in the game. Obviously, anyone could half-ass the crafting and just make mediocre items, but that's not the point of this argument.
>>341272512
You're right. It's more like Dark Souls, and its depth comes from the player's own ability.
>>341270830
I don't understand you at all. I recently finished Atelier Ayesha and I beat the final boss with a bunch of cheap C-Rank bombs, it was slightly challenging and a few times my party was in trouble. It was really fun to make do with my crap items and come out victorious.
When I played Escha & Logy, the game threw tons of rare materials at me. I made ridiculously powerful bombs of Escha and blitzes for Logy and ridiculously powerful infinite-use auto-use healing items that didn't take a turn to use, and wiped the floor with the final boss easily, there was no excitement or sense of danger.
Man fuck, I need a PS4.
Where the fuck do i find this "Whimsy Straberry"
>>341273220
>People are calling Atelier's crafting deep because of the effort that goes into making the best items in the game
No, that's bullshit you made up. The crafting itself is very versatile and allows you to make items in various ways with different abilities.
>depth comes from the player's own ability
Anyone can play chess, actual chess players spend their whole lives playing chess on a daily basis and reading theory to even be remotely good at professional chess.
>>341273758
The hot milf sells them.
>>341252209
/v/ hates everything.
>>341274008
Ah thanks.
And yes that milf is pretty hot.
>>341273220
>People are calling Atelier's crafting deep because of the effort that goes into making the best items in the game. That's why I'm focusing on crafting the best items in the game.
Anon, stop tyring to pretend to know about the game. Rule #1 of Atelier is "Reach postgame, then work on best weapons".
How the fuck are you going to make the best weapons with iron ore and tree branches from the starting areas?
>Obviously, anyone could half-ass the crafting and just make mediocre items, but that's not the point of this argument
You want to start out the game with godly equipment and weapons that one-shot everything? Why even play the game?
>>341273932
One of the early posts in this argument was telling me about how they spent hours upon hours crafting optimal items to use in Hard Mode. I didn't make this up.
>>341274424
Where are you even getting these ideas? Nowhere did I say you need to make the best items in order to clear the story. Hell, I never said you needed to make the best items. I'm just saying that the path to making the best items is not deep at all.
>>341275247
No one ever claimed it to be though. It can be pretty tedious too.
The crafting is the fun part. Making ultimate equipment is satisfying, but you need a ton of money and rare materials, and only necessary for postgame super bosses.
>>341274535
>how they spent hours upon hours crafting optimal items to use in Hard Mode
You simply do not understand the pleasures of indulging in your autism for hours on end to nail your ideal item.
>>341274535
Hard Mode is a self-imposed challenge, and Atelier Hard Modes are fucking brutal. It's his issue if he wants to do it.
You can't treat the base game the same way just because hard mode is really hard.
>>341275692
Stop lying, dude.
>>341258065
>>341257547
>>341258463
>>341276410
But I said that lots of money and rare materials are needed to make them, what's the problem?
Anon, let me be blunt with you. IT'S NOT OUR FUCKING PROBLEM IF YOU WANT TO ONE-SHOT EVERYTHING IN THE GAME, AND IT'S NOT NECESSARY.
No one is saying that it isn't time consuming to make ultimate gear. But it's not necessary unless you want to beat the secret bosses.
>>341277447
I never said you need to make the best items. They're just saying that if you do, the path to make them is long, and therefore the crafting is deep.
>>341278051
Yeah, I'm getting a headache talking to you, I'm leaving.
I reread the thread and so far people said the crafting system is "deep" because you can mix and match materials for different effects. The only one going on about ultimate equipment is you.
>>341278563
Maybe you shouldn't skim through posts then and actually read them.
Where the hell is that black shiny "PuniPuni" from the request? The only marked area in my worldmap is Moon Sun Moor and I can't find it there
