>Playing overwatch with a friend and his posse
>One guy keeps getting mad as fuck
>He's a McCree and Widowmaker main
>He claims McCree and Widow isn't overpowered and that people need to stop complaining
>Claims Roadhog, Mei, and Pharah are
>Don't want to sperg out and call him a shitter because of my buddy
What do
>>341215684
wait for the mcree and widow nerfs in the comming week and say,'I told you so, retard'
>>341215684
Joke's on him. They will both get nerfed tomorrow.
>>341216046
Screenshot this.
>>341216046
Where can I see news of this
>>341216046
if true im hyped as fuck
To be fair roadhog does way too much damage and can heal too much/frequently
only response is to outdo him on an attack character and get the most eliminations by far. since he is the typical douche who instalocks those characters and never plays the objective you have to show him up. else you are some shitter in their eyes
hopefully you have 2 friends that cover tank and healer
>>341216884
You're fucking retarded
Roadhog is nothing but free ult meter for the enemy if his hook is on CD
how do you know when you're on a team with uncoordinated scrubs or when you're just out-fucking-skilled?
sometimes I feel like just dropping out because my team ignores the time I buy them or the turrets I take out by standing off at a choke point
>>341217418
You must be literally garbage as roadhog then or go against literally garbage roadhogs.
I'm almost always gold damage/eliminations and objective time as him.
>>341218034
How do you deal with Tracers who spend the entire game trying to get you? They keep fucking me up
>>341217418
A good roadhog won't need to rely on his hook like how all McCrees need his flashbangs. Roadhog's M2 does tons of damage if you can aim and use it properly. A shotgun to the face isn't bad either
>>341216046
>>341216412
>>341216546
Kaplan posted that the nerf is coming this week and that it will be McCree and Widowmaker. To be honest I'm surprised (and happy) that they're doing Widow as well, since before the posts implied they were waiting longer on her and just doing McCree first.
It's coming
>>341217830
Usually when you're doing decent/good by your own idea, but they take point A and B within the minute, you can safely bet your team is retarded.
>>341218252
All you can do is hook them or heal through their damage. As long as it's just a tracer and nobody else there's a very slim chance they'll actually kill you.
>>341218612
no mention of Dva? I heard she was getting some sort of non damage related buff
>>341218034
Not that guy, but I'm a garbage roadhog
I keep getting killed by their McRee when I try to flank
>fan roll fan
And I'm dead
>>341218701
Yeah, but they'll wait until I am fighting someone else and then come in. If I chase them they run, if I ignore them they kill me. If I switch from road hog my team loses. I don't know, maybe I should afk at that point
>>341218870
heared bulletspread will be decreased
>>341218870
They're probably not going to make multiple balance changes at once if they can help it.
D.Va is obviously struggling, but she's not so cripplingly far behind as to need an emergency buff.
However, McCree and Windowmaker dominate most games they're in, which implies a somewhat major balance issue that should be fixed as soon as possible.
lmbo roadhog is among the worse characters in the game. Mei isn't very fucking good either.
>>341218612
Lower the fully charged bodyshot damage so it doesnt kill a zen outright, increase the time it takes between shots. Also fix her hitbox or something, she's just as hard to hit as a fucking Lucio when she keeps jumping around
post your face when widowmaker and mccree nerf happens
>>341219460
i would not at all be surprised if a lowered widowmaker charged shot ends up with zenyatta's damage output getting nerfed in the future, since widowmaker is just about the only thing keeping that robot bastard in check
>playing with friends
>girl in group
>invites level 13 friend
>everyone else is level 65+ some even in prestige
>"hey guys hes new and doesnt really know how to play hope its okay"
>everyone says its fine
>not fine with me
what do
>best girl gets even more reliable
mercy lovers win again!
>>341219479
no post your face when it doesnt actually affect them because they completely miss the point and nerf the wrong thing
>>341219805
the level doesn't mean much
nor does your score k/d
>>341219805
Just eat the losses for sake of social niceties
I play with a girl too and she really fucking sucks.
Like, 40 hours of Soldier 76 and less than 10 average eliminations per game.
How is that even possible
>>341219919
each hero isn't exactly complicated
there is like 5 things for each hero tops
>>341220017
40 games not hours. Whoops
>>341219393
he's a mid level trap character; he's like the mid-tier version of bastion. he takes very little skill to play and absolutely wrecks people that don't understand how to play around him. as soon as you learn to play around him, though, he's more of a liability to the team than an asset as all he does by staying alive is help the enemy build ult, and then conveniently dies.
>>341219901I want Mercy to be my mom.
>>341215684
Pick Mei and grief the fuck out of him. Wall him before he leaves spawn, wall behind him when he's in a corridor with enemies. Wall in front of him when he gets High Noon.
Just wall the shit out of him. And spam her voice line "A MEI ZING" while following him around.
>>341219393
>roadhog is among the worse characters in the game
>mei isn't very fucking good
>>341216353
Here you go senpai, hope it helps.
>>341220362
No no, spam her "Sorry" line over and over, while still purposefully fucking with him.
Okay I'm being serious here.
Do people still play this game or are you all joking?
>>341220116
i mean doing something like increasing widows grapple c/d then calling her fixed because its easier for winston to chase her down would be very dumb
and thats about the level of competence im anticipating
>Taking Overwatch competitively
Autism
>>341220790
Well played
>>341220873
i play like 10-15 games a day, less if i am getting steamrolled
the weekly brawls are fun because they break up or discourage experts meaning you usually find more interesting games there
>>341220362
Other people on your team will probably report you for that, especially since it's hard to only troll one person and not half your team. I have it on good authority that trolling teammates with Mei is going to get people temp banned if they get reported for it.
>>341219479
Nothing will change with Mccree really. All they're changing is his damage against tanks. They said they still want him to be able to dispatch squishies. So we'll still be having fun getting stunned and one shot unless we're a tank.
>>341218870
>>341219293
Did they say exactly how they're nerfing them?
>>341219805
>Levels
>Mattering at all in Overwatch
Stop being a huge fucking elitist faggot, I'm level 17 and constantly beast on people 10+ levels above me.
>>341221137
The hanzo/genji weekly was so fucking shit it made me terrified of what they could implement for future weeks.
>>341219282
fuck off
>>341218612
Your time is over, McSkill mains
>>341221157
Can you seriously get banned just for goofing around in this game?
>>341220873
I haven't been playing much this weekend because my sleep schedule is fucked up and I kind of don't want to deal with the stupid Widow/McCree shit since I know it's getting nerfed this week.
>>341221204
Yes and no, it depends on the range. Even a small damage nerf makes fan less reliable. Right now, at 70 damage per shot, you have to hit three hits minimum to kill a 200 health character from full HP. If you're right next to them it's trivial, but if you're at the max flashbang distance or just spamming it out of desperation then it's not. Lower the damage very little - say to 60 - and now you need to hit someone four out of six times for a full health kill. That's enough to make a difference in a surprising number of scenarios.
That said, I think they're going to nerf it by a lot more than that, since against tanks you can still fan->roll->fan and kill any tank in the game unless they nerf the damage dramatically. At least, I hope they do. There's a lot of precedent for them to just do a 20% nerf since that's what almost every other nerf has been during the Overwatch beta when they wanted to lower someone's damage.
>>341221515
Deliberately fucking over your teammates in matchmaking isn't "goofing around." There's brawl and custom games for that.
>>341221616
It's just a game.
>>341221709
I mean, if it's someone you know, then yeah, whatever, fine. If it's random people you're matched with that want to play the game it's a pretty fucking dick thing to do. If it's just two people and one dude is fucking with the other dude the odds of him also fucking over the rest of the team are basically 100% since that means a third of your team isn't playing the game.
>>341221709
Your own enjoyment should not come at the expense of others.
>>341221273
McCree's right click dmg and Widow's scoped dmg.
Screenshot this.
>>341221913
So then they should just votekick them or something, actually banning people just because they aren't being le super serious hardcore gamers is just pathetic.
>>341218612
McCree's flashbang duration needs to get nerfed and Widow's charge time needs to get increased.
That is literally all that should be changed and I will be mad if it is not.
>>341219479
I'm going to fuck up Widowmaker even more with Winston now, feels fucking fantastic
>>341215684
Based Broadhog is pretty well balanced.
>>341218265
A mercy boosted roadhog M2 once one shot me as soldier 76 right after I turned a corner. Also, if you have an orb of discord on you a reinhardt charge will do 400 damage.
>>341222078
When ranked mode comes out, you can use Quickplay to be le epic trull. Until then, Quickplay's the only way to play the game, and most people want to actually play the game. Not waste 15 minutes of their lives.
>>341221298
I once had a team of all 20s when I was 16, and faced a team that was legitimately entirely 80s and 90s. We won one and lost one. I figure the 80s and 90s just sucked.
>>341217830
You can tell based off of the heroes they select, and based on if they switch heroes to counter pick the enemy team or not. For example, if you have a team mate who picks pharah and the enemy has two widows and he never switches then you know he is a shitter.
Just stumbled upon this Overwatch thread and I'm just doing my humanly duty by throwing out this public service announcement. If you ult with D.Va, please please PLEASE do your emote before you mech up so we can revel in that sweet, sweet , delicious booty in the replay. Preferably against a wall for maximum butt. Thanks.
>>341219716
I wouldn't say so. Anyone who can burst decently at all (ie most characters in the game) can fuck his 150hp ass up. Widowmaker is just especially good at doing it with one shot from a mile away, fixing that doesn't make him un-squishy.
>>341221340
there is a list out there of all the weekly brawls if you are interested
>>341220610
What he said is 100% right, stop having shit MMR.
>>341222949
To be fair, both characters have huge issues with McCree, which is why they aren't even good situational picks right now.
>chasing widowmaker as Winston
>she grapples back to spawn point so I couldn't get in
>die
>>341222949
no
>>341218034
This. I'm in a high MMR and get grouped up against pros, and I always get gold damage/eliminations and objective time as roadhog.
>>341217830
Waiting outside of objectives for more teammates to arrive before attacking is a good indicator.
>>341223191
>not leaping back out of there to harass another after leaving a shield covering your ass and making her useless
faggot
If nobody can agree on a single balance issue, does that mean the game is balanced or nobody knows what they're talking about yet?
My two cents is that DVA should be able to shoot while defense matrix is up, it lets her TANK damage and last I checked she was in the Tank category.But it wont make her kill anyone faster because her lasers still are weak.
To balance that the defense matrix could be shrunk a tiny bit or have a blind spot right in front of DVA, or below her if she aims it up.
>>341222595
Time played does not equal to skill necessarily.
High levels only mean they've been playing since release every day.
>>341223467
>waiting as lucio to gather my teammates while using the "group up" voice line
>people just rush past me into battle to die one at a time
>>341223549
when defense matrix is up it plays the animation of her physically shooting down all the projectiles with her own hands so they are unlikely to change that.
>>341219716
I'd say the same thing with Tracer and McCree respectively
i'm rank 57 and i've gotten to the point where i'm barely scarping by with 1:1 kd and projectiles aren't viable at all.
anybody feel the same or should i git gud?
>>341223676
She shoots her guns with the triggers on her index fingers and uses the defense matrix with her thumbs on the face button.
>>341223882
Git gud or throw a bunch of games to start getting put in matches with retards.
>>341215684
>Roadhog
>Ton more health
>his hook>M1>V is easily 300 damage
>has a heal that is so fast and such a low recharge if he's good he can never die
>but this is balanced
come the fuck on
>>341223882
depends on the hero I am using
Usually I run junkrat and get fucking kills everywhere. Even professionals seem to have some errors predicting grenades.
Otherwise yea your aim seems to be the deciding factor if you want a high kill rate.
>>341223549
>If nobody can agree on a single balance issue, does that mean the game is balanced or nobody knows what they're talking about yet?
Nobody agrees because what's unbalanced to a shitter isn't a problem for more experienced players, and vice versa.
>>341223882
Just do what I do and play assault rifle only Widowmaker nonstop and just stop caring about winning ever
Things will improve one way or the other, shes a lot more fun to play when you're going full Rambo and grappling away to grab health and shitting mines behind people
>>341218907
Unless you're getting flashed you should be able to hook during his first fanfire. mouse 1 followup finishes him.
>>341223137
mei's biggest problem is mccree yes. He both prevents her from doing her job (defending the flanks, since she can't ever beat him in a fight) and does her job better than she does (defend the flanks) and he's a better flanker than she can really hope to be as well.
roadhog otoh is simply very situational and heavily dependent on the other team being bad. a lot like bastion.
>>341220268
Hes more like a McCree or a Mei if you wanna stretch it. A character who stuns and one shots people.
>>341219805
>play with friends of lvl 90+
>enemy team is 15-25
>they beat us easily
what doAnd people dare to say practice helps
>>341223952
>>341223676
Then maybe let the defense matrix be as huge as it is normally when not firing, but when you begin firing, shrink it to maybe one of the panels.
>>341224662
At this point, there's probably still a lot of people that got really good at the game during the beta but haven't played much of the actual game yet. I'd give people a few months to buy the game then get up to a decent level.
>>341224407
I wouldn't really compare him to either. McCree has a crutch for low level players, but you can also just be a badass and left click on people's heads all day. Even with the fan nerf he'll be a top tier character in competitive play.
Mei, on the other hand, sees literally zero play in competitive because she's absolute garbage against good players.
Roadhog is more in the middle. He can be okay, but not usually.
>>341224818
D.va can already win most up close duels. If you allow her to shoot while blocking attacks she could easily beat everyone except zarya and mei when close range.
>>341217418
Don't listen to them anon, you're right. If you have any composition and coordination at all, You can kill the enemy roadhog no problem. The fact that Rein is in every competitive composition and he blocks Hog's hook doesn't help.
>>341218504
bandaid nerf probably. just to tide her over and see if its enough
>>341225340
Mechanically hes similar to Mei and McCree more, though. Its stun, then kill. With Mei its freeze, then headshot, with McCree its stun and fan.
>>341225378
Oh right and winston, winston will always shit on d.va
>>341220873
I play a couple of games a day every other day. I never bought it to play 18 hours a day to begin with.I've never been this much of a fucking casual with a game, but I'm spending most of mine on FFXIV
Roadhog is literaly just fat mcree.
>>341225378
I guess you're right. I don't see what else to change about DVA besides reduce headshot size
>>341225253
I played the beta too. I play around 6 hours a day since release, and did the same on the beta week too.
>>341225683
>Can boost more often than winston jumps
>Dva shield takes tickle gun damage down to 2 a tick
>Easily enough time to kill with the guns or boost after if he jumps away
How does winston win that matchup exactly?
widowmakers problem isn't that she's overpowered, it's that she's head and shoulders better than the other sniper character.
she'll get nerfed because this is blizzard, and honestly I don't like the idea of buffing any sniper without very good reason.
>>341226870
>Jump and boost have a comparable cooldown
>Jump is actually faster on the CD, as it starts immediately rather than after the boost ends.
>D.va cant actually chase anyone. She can only get in their face, but once she starts firing she its pretty easy to get away from her
>Winston can fire will still running, its pretty hard to shake a winston
>Winston's Ult isn't garbage, and actually helps him disrupt enemy teams
>Winston takes more effort to get headshot damage on
>Winston's shield can block everything from all directions
He's a flat upgrade really.
>>341227034
no, she's definitely overpowered right now. Shuts down an enemy team way too easily right now, making her one of the dominant characters in high level play
>>341227034
Widowmaker is broken as fuck.
>Insanely Fast Scope Charge time
>10 Shots in a clip, very spammable fire rate
>For Some reason she's a 200hp class
>Sniper rifle does not unzoom on shot
>Her aim isn't thrown off by shooting at her
>Other characters ults are canceled/wasted if they die, not her, that shit just goes even if she dies.
>Other characters ults have a call out, not her, and her's is arguably better than some kill move.
>Her Ult is arguably the best in the game, seeing as it has the potential to completely deny flanks and pushes. Wallhacks are no laughing matter.
>Reaper's teleport marker is visible to everyone, Yet she doesn't get a Laser sight to show where she's aiming.
>Mercy's self defense tool is a seperate weapon so she has to switch to it. Not her, both AR and Sniper rifle are the same gun so fuck weapon switch times.
>Her AR does about the same damage as S76's
>Has a good escape tool, can use it to easily escape D.vas who are supposed to be the "Anti Sniper"
>Has an Anti-Flank trap that, even when destroyed, tells her theres someone there
>The Game is already pretty slow, and 20 ticks per second doesn't help.
>The only counter to widowmaker is widowmaker
There is no flaw.
>>341227406
and on top of this he's still third pick tank behind rhienhardt and zarya.
d.va and roadhog are such fucking garbage man
>>341227034
>widowmakers problem isn't that she's overpowered
She kind of is, though. She's a sniper without any of the weaknesses that you give snipers to balance them. She has the same health as any other offense and most defense characters. Between her mine and her ultimate (which charges very fast) she has the tools to detect flankers, and with her hook she can usually escape them (assuming she hasn't already just shot them). She has a powerful short range gun that she can switch to with zero weapon switch time - just unscope and it's an assault rifle. Even her core mechanic is just too damn good - he gun is semiautomatic, charges quickly, and her bodyshot damage is so high that a 150 charge into a quick partial 50 damage tap kills most everyone.
It's like Blizzard wanted to make the most ridiculously over the top sniper character possible. If Widowmaker is played correctly she beats everyone else in the game, even Winston.
>>341227442
shes OP because the headshot hitboxes are 10x the size that they should be for some reason.
>>341227034
widowmaker nearly makes multiple characters unplayable just by existing.
That's just about the definition of overpowered
>>341227556
Actually, I hear winston is dominating the comp scene, to the point where 2 winstons is a strategy.
>>341218907
That's what they're gonna nerf, Mcree should not be able to kill Tanks this easy
>>341227669
that's the definition of a hard counter, which this game is fucking based around
how many of you fucking people have actually played team based fps games before anyway, I mean shit, she's got like a quarter of the damage output of the tf2 sniper in a game where everyone else does simply extreme amounts of damage anyway
>>341227525
>>Her aim isn't thrown off by shooting at her
Is this true? I've barely played her. I played a ton of tf2 so instinctively fire chip damage at snipers just to fuck their aim up.
>>341220873
I play it a lot less now that I got a job, only about 1 or 2 hours a day
>>341227787
really? that's sort of weird but I could see that working, since another winston would be pretty damn good at covering winston's weaknesses.
basically two of them could be worth more than the simple addition of winston + winston
>>341227889
the tf2 sniper is a counter to the heavy, most other characters have more of a chance because of differing move speeds. Almost everyone in OW moves the same slow speed.
The other problem is that currently widowmaker isn't hard countered by her supposed hard counters, she still has a huge chance to kill or escape from them.
>>341228309
Rein+Winston is surprisingly good too.
Their shields can complement one another quite well, and Rein gives more to a team than a second Winston does.
>>341227556
D.va isn't really intended to be played like a traditional tank, so it's weird she's in that category. She's meant to use her mobility to get up close and personal with the enemy backline which is why she has such a high health pool.
>>341226870
Winston can use his shield to block a lot of d.va's damage, and if it goes down and he starts losing the fight it's usually been long enough for him to hop away. It's mainly just because she moves so slowly while firing so it's easy for winston to keep the shield wall between him and her.
>>341228597
Reinhardt is the only "traditional" tank in this game which sucks because it means you have to pick him every time you play offense.
>>341228693
Fuck that noise, Zarya and Winston are fine for offense, even if not traditional tanks.
Hell, Roadhog isn't awful either, and can dismantle a defending team's strategy with a pull.
>>341228429
the tf2 sniper actually scopes in about 1/10th the time it takes widowmaker and does the same damage with an uncharged headshot that widow does with a fully charged headshot.
a skilled sniper in tf2 makes any and all sight lines just complete fucking murder to go through in that game, and yet the tf2 sniper still isn't a real problem in that game.
is this thing about getting hit not throwing widowmakers aim off true? I've tried her out exactly once, was disgusted by the fucking day and a half it takes her to scope and unscope and switched characters so i never noticed
>>341228693
You either pick 1 Reinhardt, or 2 of the other tanks, and two of said tanks are meant to fly by and ambush Snipers/Supports, not fight in the frontlines. So good luck getting anyone to pick a tank that fits well alongside you, because all anyone wants to fucking play are fucking Hanzo and Genji. So you're pretty much cornered into Reinhardt.
Fucking ninjas were a mistake.
>>341215684
I've just come to accept my friends are shit at the game
>they play junkrat, tracer and reaper
>enemy has 3 pharahs
>all of them refuse to change instead of getting shit on by pharahs all game
>>341228871
>a skilled sniper in tf2 makes any and all sight lines just complete fucking murder to go through in that game, and yet the tf2 sniper still isn't a real problem in that game.
>yet the tf2 sniper still isn't a real problem in that game.
There's a reason why every single player in high end TF2 comp uses the Razorback, even in 6's where Spies are hardly ever seen.
Because even the possibility of not being one-shot, no matter how remote, is a huge asset when you can click heads with near-aimbot precision.
>>341228871
anon, an uncharged tf2 sniper headshot does the same as a fully charged widowmaker BODY shot, what are you on about.
the difference is overwatch only does x2 on headshots, and the tf2 sniper gets x3 on headshots
>>341218504
Surprised? Widow is legitimately game breaking overpowered, NOBODY has any fun when she's in either team.
>>341229681
Well, the thing with Widow is that there's so many ways she's over the top that picking how to nerf her kind of takes some thinking. The previous posts implied that they were only nerfing McCree and that they were still only investigating how they wanted to nerf Widowmaker (similar to how they're not sure how they want to buff D.Va).
But, yeah, she's fucked. Very happy she's getting nerfed.
>>341229821
Nerfing Widow is easy.
Increase in charge time
Reduction of full charge damage to 100
Increase of ammo consumed in rifle mode from 3 to 5
Wallhack is no longer map-wide, instead functions in a radius around Widowmaker.
>>341217418
Roadhog has the fattest hitbox ability in the game that can tag people easily from miles away, even genji double jump. He one hits almost everyone, and can basically burst down any tank. He's a one man war machine on DECENT players. Anyone who can hit hooks 65% or higher will be MVP all game guaranteed.
>>341229821
They kinda put themselves in a corner with D.va and winston.
They're so similar its crazy, it be pretty hard to make both viable in the current state of the game, one will always be better than the other as long as they share the same job.
As for widow, she needs a fuckton of small nerfs
>>341230067
>radius
Why not just make it pulse? Or not last a year, or make it so its as loud as HIGH NOON
>>341228956
Me and my friends typically run 3 tanks on Attack. Reinhardt, Roadhog, and I'll play D. Va. Works out extremely well. I just harass and not worry about trying to block too much, usually saving my Matrix for Ults only, and Rein and Roadhog will eat enemy fire all day. One Mercy is enough to keep us up, and then the other two just throw damage around.
>>341228693
Rein is the Defensive Tank.
Zarya is the Offensive Tank
D.Va and Winston are the Harass Tanks.
>>341230446
Roadhog?
>>341230525
Pick Tank.
>>341230550
what anon?
>>341219716
Everything kills him though.
>>341230605
he's the Pick Class Tank. Functions best by staying with the team and picking out front-line squishies to be gangbanged by your team.
>>341224267
I wouldn't put roadhog in Bastion tear anon.
>>341230698
So theoretically if you had a team with a Rein, Zarya, Winston, Roadhog, Mercy, and offensive character it would work well as each serves a different purpose?
>>341224662
What manga is this anon? I need something to read.
>>341230850
Theoretically, if they're communicating well.
The last position would either be a McCree, a Widow or a Lucio, if current competitive team comps is anything to go by.
>>341230850
Not enough damage, roadhog is a disabler and initiator.
Can you get banned for shit talking in this game? I'm probably one of the saltiest players in existence
>>341228309
Character stacking in general is the meta, since characters synergize so well with themselves. Best comp is double Winston McCree Lucio.
>>341230525
Tank that kills flankers
>>341219716
M1+melee is pretty much all anyone needs to kill Zen
>>341231003
Well not only that, the game is pretty shittly balanced.
Lucio is flat out better than all the other healers
Mcree is flat out better than all the other heroes in general
Winston is flat out better than most of the tanks
>>341230992
They can report you, so yeah.
It's not quite LoL-tier crybabies but there's still people who will get assblasted from a little bit of trash talking.
>>341230992
I think as long as you avoid the usual "toxic" behavior like calling people niggers/faggots/etc, telling them to kill themselves, what have you. Commenting on how terrible they are should be fine I'd think.
What's so bad about Mei? Her left click is great for slowing down enemies while running circles around them then going for a right click headshot. This will kill most of the squishier heroes like Genji and tracer but Mcree and some of the tankier heroes like Reinhardt and Roadhog will absolutly shred Mei. I primarily use her when defending the flanks on maps with large chokepoints with one or two flanks like Hanamura and Temple of Anubis.
Am I doing anything wrong? What can I do to improve? My record eliminations per game stands at 43
>>341230067
>wallhack
Fuck that. Remove that shit. I don't want to see forced Widowmakers in every fucking comp game.
>>341231415
What's the punishment? chat ban?
>>341231003
>attacking team is 5 widowmakers and a mercy>we actually lose
in my defense I was playing lucio, and none of my teammates wanted to switch classes or switch to support so I could switch classes
>>341231612
Stacking within reason, obviously. Some meme comp of 6 of one character very rarely works. 6 Meis can be pretty hilarious though, I've won with it multiple times.
Isn't Mccree flat out worse than pretty much every offensive hero in mid-long range engagements? If a team is pushing behind a Reinhardt shield isn't Mccree pumping out less damage than pretty much every potential pick?
I really just feel like Mccree is being propped up by his ability to delete heroes in close quarters and make some kind of contribution mid range but it's still less than what 76 and Pharah or even fucking Genji can potentially do.
Do objectives just have really garbage firing lines from mid-long rage?
>>341231953
McCree headshots are like, 100 damage or summat.
>>341224164
Well people can't see the future no matter how good the are. And it normally takes only 1 fuck up (after the c4 damage) to be killed. I've learned to just stay the fuck away from Junkrat. It's essentially just a luck fight up close. No reason to risk your life with them odds.
>>341231003
I actually lost one game vs 6 reapers. Never ever ending *teleports behind u* and flying off at low health.
Pshhhhh....DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE
>>341230067
you can't increase charge time and decrease damage done per shot at the same time, that's a double nerf to overall dps
>>341231547
Comp Wise she gets ruined by coordinated teams and can't freeze anyone
Pub wise freezing is bs and shouldn't happen outside her ult
>>341232253
>Roadhog hooks me as Junkrat
>Throw my mine and detonate immediately
>Launch the fuck out of there
>Almost always survive
>>341232447
Who should I start to play more then, I used to main Mei until I hit around level 30, then I just started getting stomped. I'm comfortable with most support heroes like Lucio and Mercy but I want to play more aggressive. I've tried Phara and Junkrat and I'm lukewarm with both of them. Who would you recommend anon?
>>341229409
I'm with you. Mine panic switch to Bastion at the first sign of any trouble and always get instantaneously destroyed with him, but never switch off.
Also one of them made some sort of overwatch stat tracking website (I have no idea why since one already exists) and sets up "challenges". The first one was "who can get the highest kill/death ratio over a week". Already you can see how stupid that is when 1 bullet can count as a kill, but the guy that won it had a 3.7. I checked his stats on masteroverwatch and his lifetime highest on any hero is a 2.1. Most others are either negative or 1-1.5. Its so obvious he just stood back like a pussy tagging people and running away at the first sign of danger, but can't call him out on it or everyone will say I'm just being a bully.
>>341221709
Shut the fuck up, retarded underaged cunt.
>>341228049
True. Widow is OP however I find her crucial to break some bullshit defenses.
>>341232241
Sounds about right.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Tb7xg_EmtkqgR7da6IDMcFjdEsFkefcW_78mAIRKp0w/edit#gid=2106552717
Pic related, it's Mercy's ulti range which is 15m, same range as Zarya's laser as well. So if Mccree is slightly farther away than that his headshots will do 110. Farther than that and headshots get weakened to 70 damage with body shots at a tickling 35. Meanwhile if 76 lands all 10 rounds in a 1 second burst he's going to be doing 170 damage at 3 times Mccree's effective range on body shots with the option to rocket for 120 if it actually hits.
>>341233146
>saved as .png
>Covered in jpg artifacts
youdidntprotectadamnthing.jpg
>>341234489
Why are you looking at individual shots when that had no bearing on why McCree is broken. The problem isn't his range, but the fact that his faceroll combo literally kills anyone and anything every single time. Also, the only way a 76 is hitting.
>>341235383
Because the discussion was why McCree is still run when all he has is his Fan the Hammer.
>>341235383
>>341235469
Anyone know a good, recent comp match to watch with some Mccree in it? I want to see if the range handicap is actually a handicap at all in competitive. Fan the hammer might be all that's carrying the hero right now which worries me. If fan gets nerfed too hard Mccree would lose the only thing he has going
at least reaper could get picked i guess
>play Roadhog
>hook McCree
>blast him and melee
>he's still alive
What am I doing wrong?
>try out the Mystery Heroes brawl
>enemy team gets ALL the Lucios and Mercys and stomps us every time
>our team never ever gets healers ever
>>341235676
Range isn't really a handicap for McCree. Even at Mid-long range he does respectable damage, especially if its a head shot.
Its just his Stun/Fan combo is so strong it pretty much melts anything. Hell, I had a game earlier today where someone stunned 3 people in a semi close grouping and fanned all three to death in one burst. Still had his roll to reload after too.
>>341220310I want to be Mercy
>>341235918Get down on your knees then, Mercy
>>341235908
To elaborate as well, two of those three had full health.
>>341235791
Just to make sure, you're going for the LMB attack and headshotting, right? If you are doing this and still can't kill any squishies, you might be too bad for Streetboar
>>341236463
I headshot with LMB then melee after, and they're still alive.
>>341235791
>step forward
>hold left click
>pray they don't end up behind you
>>341217418
>>341215684
Why do you play casual shitty cancerous games, OP?
>tfw no roadhog bf
>>341227787
winston owns
>mfw a reinhardt stands there and tries to back into a corner with his shield while i zap him to death
>>341236641
>get a shitload of gold medals
>DEFEAT
Yeah that's standard Roadhog play
>>341236897
Lol I tried
>>341215684
>he still plays overwatch
lmao
>>341236897
>Shitload of medals while doing anything but what the team requires to win
Sounds pretty shitty medals desu.
>>341232424
snipers aren't meant to have high dps, they need to do burst damage on key targets
>>341221340
I'm sure we're getting a full Soldier 76 game mode. Personally I'd love tp see a no-healers brawl
>>341222894
>Justice Rains From Above: Pharah and Mercy take to the skies.
>Arcade: More health! Faster ability and ultimate cooldowns! Faster respawn!
>We're All Soldiers Now: Soldier: 76 takes command of the Control Maps.
>High Noon: It's high noon on Route 66. Headshots with McCree only.
>Show Your Support: All support heroes. Limited to two of the same per team.
>Tanks a Lot: All tank heroes. Limited to two of the same per team.
>Overly Defensive: All defense heroes. Limited to two of the same per team.
>Highly Offensive: All offense heroes. Limited to two of the same per team.
>Heads Up!: McCree, Genji, Hanzo, and Widowmaker. Headshots only.
>The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly: McCree, Reaper, and Roadhog duke it out.
>Moba-Watch: Unique heroes per team. No hero switching allowed.
>Girl Power: Female heroes only. Sorry, boys.
I'm looking forward to the moba one and tanks only
>>341237576
>Sorry Boyz :^)
>>341237576
>>341237963
>girl power
>>341237576
>girls only
Without junkrat, rein, or lucio I am lost
>>341237576
>female heroes only
What would be the best team? Widowmaker, double Mercy, Zarya, Mei and Pharah?
When are we getting more than three and a half gamemodes?
>>341236740
>mfw a reinhardt charges at you and you leap over his head while he goes flying off the cliff in route 66
>>341238347
When do we get to choose not to play Lucio: the gamemode?
>>341216884
conceptually I don't really mind roadhog but I hate getting caught while I'm going around a corner and still get dragged to him even though I'm out of view by then.
But the part that frustrates me is sometimes the game lets me react (ie: Mei Cryostasis, Lucio pushback) but other times I get my face blown off with no chance to do anything.
>>341238887
>the game lets me react
more like the game fucked the roadhog and put you next to him or he just missed like an ass
>>341238810
I actually played a match where everyone on our team played lucio. We were decidedly defeated.
>>341221273
I know they specifically commented on McCree's fan the hammer damage. They're not doing anything about his Flashbang and no comment on if his fanning will have a cooldown like Lucio's alt-fire.
Widowmaker I can see them specifically giving her a much lower fire rate and a longer charge time for shots but no comments on her other than dealing with her 'frustration factor"
>>341238887
>I hate getting caught while I'm going around a corner
The worst one for me was getting hooked, then an enemy Mei put up a wall between me and the Roadhog at the exact same time. I got pulled clean through the center of the Mei wall.
>>341238958
That's funny because the same will happen if you don't have a Lucio
>>341237576
I don't like Arcade simply because everyone plays Tracer and it's impossible to catch her with those constant blinks.
I mostly like random heroes because I can't even get mad if I lose because it's mostly funny. Moba Watch would be neat if not for the fact that you know someone is going to pick Widowmaker on attack anyways.
It's pretty much guaranteed that if you're Hanzo, you're a shitter, right?
>>341239231
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY4PSajmkG4
>>341239406
Hanzo Facts:
>No Hanzo actually aims. They just fire randomly in the general direction of the enemy
>Hanzo's arrows have ridiculously generous hit detection
>The above two combine for Hanzo scoring random headshots when he clearly didn't deserve them
>>341215684
>Join friend's group
>Play a match
>Second match go Pharah
>Second guy in team goes Pharah
>Supposed leader goes "anon, change character"
>"No."
>Kicked from group
>Friend apologizes
>Stay Pharah for as long as needed and overall do better than the other Pharah
>Win and get PotG
>Send request to the friend to join the group
>Back in
I figured they probably have a voice line somewhere and favorite characters. Every time we go defense and I pick Symmetra, I keep seeing the same guy picking her too. But if I grab Pharah and some guy picks her after me, shouldn't the other guy be asked to switch if necessary?
I just do it for the xp bonus and the time to be with my friend.
So why is widow getting nerfed? I only pick her occasionally, but the only people that die to full body shots are super squishy like Zenyata and Tracer.
>>341215684
Ummmm, how is Widowmaker Overpowered?
>>341219805
>Want to play with friend who convinced me to get the game
>He's level 2x
>I'm 6x
>Puts us in games with people on my level or higher
>He fears of getting his ass handed to him
>I tell him he'll do fine
>We play the game
>He does just as well as everyone else
>Shows in the cards in the end
>"See? Wasn't that bad, now, wasn't it?"
>"Yeah, I guess."
>>341240109
>>341240136
Someone who can actually aim and score headshots consistently has the ability to shutdown the enemy team almost completely.
She has an escape move just in case someone actually closes the distance. She has an indicator that tells when people are flanking her in the form of her mine.
She has team wide wall hax that persists after her death and also has unlimited range. Not to mention she only whispers her ult call out unlike every other character that screams it. meaning, the event team will never know it's active until she kills you
>>341230067
reduce her health to 150 whats the reason that a sniper has the same health like a hero who has to get close to kill.
>>341221520
Here's a solutuob to your issue. Decrease base damage, AND decrease damage fall off. Meaning Mcree will do the same damage he does now at range, but deal less damage than he does now point blank
>>341240136
her shot charges in about 1s, and can one-hit headshot all but the tanks; and with the size of hurtboxes, it's not hard to get headshots
>literally be one of the most fun things to play once you remove jump from spacebar and put on on M5 to spam wallrides and badger sniper perches with hit n runs
>only support character stuck with shitty burstfire
>>341236641
lol nice job trying to hide that you're playing this on the ps4
>>341215684
I always call these people out. They don't normally have a response because they're regurgitating shit they hear on the internet.
I don't sperg. I just point out what makes them a retard. Very rarely do they have legitimate reasons, so it makes then look stupid and doesn't make you look like a sperg. And really.. making people feel stupid on the internet is the only reason for going on the internet.
>>341239231
I fucking hate that game mode, Tracer and Mei are more annoying than ever
>>341232637
>Roadhog hooks me as Pharah
>Mash E like some QTE to knock myself away
>Get a load of scaps in the face
>Die before stun goes away
>>341240690
I go on the internet to be a nice guy.
I hope you have a great day and successes in your games. Fucker.
>>341240453
Well one yeah she'll dominate and shutdown an enemy team in the right hands. She's a sniper. They're not easy to master and should reward good play accordingly.
Also, she whispers because blizzard designed the game so loud ults are ones that are an immediate threat. She's not OP because she can kill most people when you have to have the precision of a, uhm sniper
>>341232637
>>341240962
>Get pulled as Genji
>Mash L.Shift like a monkey
>90% of the time escape getting shells on my face
I wonder if this works as McCreed with his roll...
>>341240962
>>341241417
>mashing
just hold it down
Who cares, overwatch is an fps for people who don't actually like fps.
>>341240623
It's not just the hitboxes, it's the movement speed of the characters too. Sniping in this game is so much easier than other FPS's, so imagine some fag that has been sniping for the past 10 years on other FPS's coming to Overwatch and playing Widowmaker.
>>341241379
The problem is also that the headshot hitbox is a joke to hit. You can even be aiming slightly off to the side and still hit them. And her gun only takes a second to reach full power. If she really wanted to as well she can just spam sniper shots at 2 rounds per second.
And how is her ult not deadly? It completely shutsdown any attempt at flanking and makes pushing extremely hard since a good widow will now even more easily instakill you.
>>341241882
Riptire is deadly. It blows up in your face and kills you. Wallhacks is not deadly, it just gives them an edge. Just like the portal isn't deadly. But IT still gives you an edge.
>>341242263
Those things can be destroyed and countered. Widows ult has to be waited out.
>>341230857
Not him, but it's Legend of the Strongest Man Kurosawa.
i hope widow gets nerfed so hard that most people drop her and i can safely play her.
or they could just release that sniper support that hopefully has to shoot teammates to heal or buff them
>>341235873
>try out mystery brawl
>get Symmetra three times in a row on Attack
>we already had two Zenyattas and a Mercy on our team
>>341241668
Some dude who's played FPS for 10 years and uses that experience to do good in another game? UNTHINKABLE
>>341223191
>God tier Widowmaker on enemy team
>On fucking offense too
>Go winston to dick her
>Mercy constantly healing her
>Zarya barriers her
>McCree stuns and melt me
I hate protect the widow comps
>>341222031
"Right click"
I still can't believe kidgamers these days jump with space bar.
>>341242263
You can hear riptire from 100 miles and AND can kill it quite easily.
You can't stop Widow's ult
>Playing as Reaper
>Constantly on the front lines and flanking enemies while making sure the payload is moving
>Notice McCree trying to take out our Reinhardt
>Teleport behind him and kill him
>Doing nothing but this whenever I see him
>Player gets salty and yells at me, saying that Reaper is OP and I should kill myself
Why are McCree players such faggots?
>>341246071
Probably because most of them are actually shit.
>Be rein
>IT'S HIGH NOON
>Ult and charge him, killing him and a mercy
>"Kill yourself" because apparently he's too bad to kill me himself
>Be Dva and see McCree
>Push e and eat his grenade
>Watch as he panics and I raise my apm
>>341221505
>nothing to stop my 76 killing sprees now
May God save their worthless souls.
>>341221709
That same argument can be used if you cheat.
It holds just as little water there.
>>341220873
only complete autist blizz boys would still play this terrible babified team shooter.
What classes did TF2 nerf not a month after release?
>>341219716
what is tracer, genji, pharah, soldier 76, hanzo, junkrat, literally anything that can output damage
>>341244356
Some dude that uses that experience to completely shut down games with a broken character, exploiting her overpoweredness to it's fullest extent.
>>341232424
100 fully charged damage is still enough to kill most of the players on a headshot.
Snipers aren't supposed to have high dps.
>>341218504
they were probably going to do Widow when the new sniper gets released, but realised she was too broken to leave as is until then
>>341225667
Despite technically being stun and kill Mei doesn't belong in that category at all. Mccree and Roadhog are pickers, the only picks Mei is getting are the ones she's been shooting for three seconds already.
>>341235791
didn't press shift and get a free blast
>>341222078
Please, this is the attitude that left to all the kids playing "friendly hoovy :^)" in tf2. Don't encourage people being an active detriment to the team.
